80% of The French Want Obama

[NaptownChief]

http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/09/barack-obama-th.html


That ought to tell you a ton. It is virtually impossible to get more than 60% of any group to agree on anything in life so 80% is virtually unheard of. So when the wimpy, socialist French support someone at 80% it gives you a wonderful indication that they are certain he is one of their own.

[The Lone Bolt]

I'm probably still voting for Obama but . . . . EEEWWWWWWW!!

[TailgateNut]

http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/09/barack-obama-th.html


That ought to tell you a ton. It is virtually impossible to get more than 60% of any group to agree on anything in life so 80% is virtually unheard of. So when the wimpy, socialist French support someone at 80% it gives you a wonderful indication that they are certain he is one of their own.


...and?


I hear all the Nazis like the McCain-Palin ticket. :spit:

[snowspot66]

I bet most of Europe wants Obama, just as the wanted Kerry.

[Garcia Bronco]

...and?


I hear all the Nazis like the McCain-Palin ticket. :spit:

The Nazi's were socialists. So probably not.

[NaptownChief]

...and?







Just pointing out who thinks just like you Frenchie... LOL

[Rohirrim]

Man, that's great. I'm going to go out and have me some Freedom Fries. ;D

[MO<1>]

The French love celebrities. Did you check out any of the facts behind Charles Bremmer going to the "Le Figaro" website and looking at the on-line poll. Far from scientific. Current figures are now on 69% favor Obama. The same news agency only reports 45% of the French support their own president. Can we send them Obama?

[Spider]

http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/09/barack-obama-th.html


That ought to tell you a ton. It is virtually impossible to get more than 60% of any group to agree on anything in life so 80% is virtually unheard of. So when the wimpy, socialist French support someone at 80% it gives you a wonderful indication that they are certain he is one of their own.

the wimpy French also are 80% nuclear power for energy ...... Just saying

[Spider]

Man, that's great. I'm going to go out and have me some Freedom Fries. ;D
LOL rep

[MO<1>]

Man, that's great. I'm going to go out and have me some Freedom Fries. ;D

Obama agreed with the French about Iraq, then the French government imploded. I reember why Americans started calling them Freedom Fries.

[TailgateNut]

...and the Germans just commisioned a "carbon-free" power generation plant.

Meanwhile back on Bushs' farm we're talikng about drilling for oil which will lower the price of gas ten years from now by a whooooping 2 cents a gallon.(will cents still exist then, mor will we be rounding up to nickles than)

[Garcia Bronco]

It could lower the price of gas tomorrow if Government got out of the way.

[socalorado]

There were scenes of pandemonium and chaos outside Disneyland last night when a garrison of French soldiers stationed there surrendered to a coach-load of Norwegian school children on their way back from seeing Mickey Mouse and his friends.

As the coach was approaching, a firework display started, and in a typical French tradition, seen during World War 2, Desert Storm, Iraq and the Aldi year-end sale in Marseilles, the soldiers rushed out of their barracks and surrendered to the nearest foreign invader, in this instance, a group of Norwegian children from the West Oslo Primary School, who had spent the weekend in Disneyland.

The head teacher of the school party, Enny Portina-Storm said:

"We know historically that when there is any trouble, the first thing we see are the French backs. They are experts at running away.

www.cnn.com

[NaptownChief]

the wimpy French also are 80% nuclear power for energy ...... Just saying


Good point. Their willingness to support that is one of the few things that separate them from the Democrats.

[TheDave]

as they say... Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Good for the french.

[Rohirrim]

There were scenes of pandemonium and chaos outside Disneyland last night when a garrison of French soldiers stationed there surrendered to a coach-load of Norwegian school children on their way back from seeing Mickey Mouse and his friends.

As the coach was approaching, a firework display started, and in a typical French tradition, seen during World War 2, Desert Storm, Iraq and the Aldi year-end sale in Marseilles, the soldiers rushed out of their barracks and surrendered to the nearest foreign invader, in this instance, a group of Norwegian children from the West Oslo Primary School, who had spent the weekend in Disneyland.

The head teacher of the school party, Enny Portina-Storm said:

"We know historically that when there is any trouble, the first thing we see are the French backs. They are experts at running away.

www.cnn.com

I guess you guys on the Right are going to resort to smearing heroes again in an effort to win an election. Here are some of those French "cowards" dying shoulder to shoulder with our American soldiers in Afghanistan:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26281580/

Talk about a complete lack of class.

[DenverBrit]

The French were very much against going into Iraq.

That's the first sign that our foreign policy was dead wrong..........when I found myself agreeing with the French. ;D

[NaptownChief]

Here are some of those French "cowards" dying shoulder to shoulder with our American soldiers in Afghanistan:




The exit door must have been obstructed. LOL

[Rohirrim]

The exit door must have been obstructed. LOL

Like I said, talk about a complete lack of class. Although I must admit, I didn't think even you would sink this low. Of course, we should all know by now, there's is no level to which the Right is not ashamed to sink in their displays of rabid partisanship.

[NaptownChief]

Like I said, talk about a complete lack of class. Although I must admit, I didn't think even you would sink this low. Of course, we should all know by now, there's is no level to which the Right is not ashamed to sink in their displays of rabid partisanship.



In all seriousness, as the poll would indicate there is probably about 20% of them that actually have a backbone.

[MO<1>]

Like I said, talk about a complete lack of class. Although I must admit, I didn't think even you would sink this low. Of course, we should all know by now, there's is no level to which the Right is not ashamed to sink in their displays of rabid partisanship.

Yes, it is the conservative posters spewing cuss words, calling other people names, and posting immature comments! Obama supporters continue only posting tolerant logical thought demonstrating their high level of in-depth knowledge of the issues. The conservatives should be arrested before they steal from dumpsters again! NOT SO MUCH!;)

[NaptownChief]

Yes, it is the conservative posters spewing cuss words, calling other people names, and posting immature comments! Obama supporters continue only posting tolerant logical thought demonstrating their high level of in-depth knowledge of the issues. The conservatives should be arrested before they steal from dumpsters again! NOT SO MUCH!;)



Funny how the liberals truly feel this way...I honestly believe that when they are throwing around insults and smear that they have convinced themselves that they are somehow "informing and educating" the people but when it comes back at them it is this horrible, uncalled for vicious attacks.

[El Guapo]

This confirms the fact that I definitely will not be voting for Obama. !Booya!

[Drek]

The Nazi's were socialists. So probably not.

The Nazis were a form of fascist government. They pretty much 100% diverge from socialist theory.

I really wonder how you know this little but think you know so much.

[alkemical]

The Nazi's were socialists. So probably not.

Nazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) (German: Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism[1][2][3][4]), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.[5][6][7][8] The official name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[9] (NSDAP) — “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism, and while it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its alliances on the political right.[10] Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[11][12] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[13][14][12] anti-communism, and totalitarianism.

Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and groups, sparked by anger at the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/Communist conspiracy (known in the vernacular as the Dolchstoßlegende or “Stab-in-the-Back Legend”) to humiliate Germany at the end of the First World War.

[MO<1>]

The Nazis were a form of fascist government. They pretty much 100% diverge from socialist theory.

I really wonder how you know this little but think you know so much.

Drek, glad to see a consistent left leaning supporter draw a line to the Nazis. How did the Nazis come to power? They ranted about the economy, promised change, spewed hate, and called any differing voice a criminal. They slandered, skewed, and persecuted anyone that did not agree with them into the ovens. If Obama controls the white house, the senate, and the congress (and the judicial branch), this will give him as much power as Chancellor Hitler posessed. I don't think this is going to happen, but neither did anyone in the 1930's. Those active socialist governments demonstrate almost zero tolerance when it comes to outside thinking. How much freedom do you want to give up insteading of standing up?

[TailgateNut]

Nazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi) (German: Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism[1][2][3][4]), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the Nazi Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich.[5][6][7][8] The official name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei[9] (NSDAP) — “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is generally considered by scholars to be a form of fascism, and while it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its alliances on the political right.[10] Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[11][12] eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism,[13][14][12] anti-communism, and totalitarianism.

Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a (mainly German) combination of various ideologies and groups, sparked by anger at the Treaty of Versailles and what was considered to have been a Jewish/Communist conspiracy (known in the vernacular as the Dolchstoßlegende or “Stab-in-the-Back Legend”) to humiliate Germany at the end of the First World War.

Don't confuse the Hokie! "He can't handle the truth".;D

[TailgateNut]

Drek, glad to see a consistent left leaning supporter draw a line to the Nazis. How did the Nazis come to power? They ranted about the economy, promised change, spewed hate, and called any differing voice a criminal. They slandered, skewed, and persecuted anyone that did not agree with them into the ovens. If Obama controls the white house, the senate, and the congress (and the judicial branch), this will give him as much power as Chancellor Hitler posessed. I don't think this is going to happen, but neither did anyone in the 1930's. Those active socialist governments demonstrate almost zero tolerance when it comes to outside thinking. How much freedom do you want to give up insteading of standing up?


Are you talking about the Bush administration?

[BroncoInferno]

Drek, glad to see a consistent left leaning supporter draw a line to the Nazis. How did the Nazis come to power? They ranted about the economy, promised change, spewed hate, and called any differing voice a criminal. They slandered, skewed, and persecuted anyone that did not agree with them into the ovens. If Obama controls the white house, the senate, and the congress (and the judicial branch), this will give him as much power as Chancellor Hitler posessed. I don't think this is going to happen, but neither did anyone in the 1930's. Those active socialist governments demonstrate almost zero tolerance when it comes to outside thinking. How much freedom do you want to give up insteading of standing up?

Your nightmare already happened under Bush. Or have been asleep the last 8 years.

[Denver Crush]

I don't understand all the french hate. A lot of Americans forget that had the French not helped a little band of Colonial Rebels defeat the Brits in the late 1700s- early 1800's, this great country we call America, would be instead called New Britain.

[DenverBrit]

Are you talking about the Bush administration?

Take out the references to 'ovens' and 1930's, and it's close. ;D

[alkemical]

I don't understand all the french hate. A lot of Americans forget that had the French not helped a little band of Colonial Rebels defeat the Brits in the late 1700s- early 1800's, this great country we call America, would be instead called New Britain.

Those damned liberals!!!! How dare they help us out - maybe to spite the english - and give us a statue - but dammit - they are liberals!!!!!

[BroncoInferno]

I don't understand all the french hate. A lot of Americans forget that had the French not helped a little band of Colonial Rebels defeat the Brits in the late 1700s- early 1800's, this great country we call America, would be instead called New Britain.

Folks like Naptown are jingoists and xenophobes. Don't expect to find anything resembling logic in their screeds against the "other."

[alkemical]

This maybe my least popular post:

The Ruling members of the nazi party - no matter how unfavorable as it would be to call them humans - were brilliant.

Mind you, i'm no fan of them and detest their overall ideology - but in HOW they were able to basically take over people's minds was insanely brilliant. Superb. The Nazi party lost the war - but the Nazi's didn't lose. Everything they built was scattered and used everywhere else and in some instances are the basis for social control.

[DenverBrit]

Those damned liberals!!!! How dare they help us out - maybe to spite the english - and give us a statue - but dammit - they are liberals!!!!!

It certainly wasn't because they believed in 'Independence' from a Monarchy. ;D

[alkemical]

It certainly wasn't because they believed in 'Independence' from a Monarchy. ;D

Heh :)

[NaptownChief]

I don't understand all the french hate. A lot of Americans forget that had the French not helped a little band of Colonial Rebels defeat the Brits in the late 1700s- early 1800's, this great country we call America, would be instead called New Britain.



Germany today isn't even close to the Germany of 1939. To pretend that France of the early 1800's is even close to the France we have today is just as silly.

[NaptownChief]

Folks like Naptown are jingoists and xenophobes. Don't expect to find anything resembling logic in their screeds against the "other."




Name calling as usual. You guys need to remind us how the Repulicans are the ones that stoop to low levels slinging mud.

The principles in which the Democrats stand for are so poor that name calling is all you have when somebody doesn't agree with you. Maybe you guys should spend less time name calling and more time figuring out something worthy to stand for.

[BroncoInferno]

Name calling as usual. You guys need to remind us how the Repulicans are the ones that stoop to low levels slinging mud.

The principles in which the Democrats stand for are so poor that name calling is all you have when somebody doesn't agree with you. Maybe you guys should spend less time name calling and more time figuring out something worthy to stand for.

I see. And your thread baselessly attacking the French is just all class, huh?

[kappys]

How about the other 22 out of 22 countries in the world that prefer Obama according to the BBC?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/533.php?nid=&id=&pnt=533&lb=

I'm sure they are all now cowards and surrender monkeys too.

[Denver Crush]

Germany today isn't even close to the Germany of 1939. To pretend that France of the early 1800's is even close to the France we have today is just as silly.

Nope the parallels to Germany 1939 belong to the US currently

[Garcia Bronco]

The Nazis were a form of fascist government. They pretty much 100% diverge from socialist theory.

I really wonder how you know this little but think you know so much.

Yes, but the party started out as socialists. Sorry. It's a fact. Now they became fascists. What does that tell you?

[kappys]

Yes, but the party started out as socialists. Sorry. It's a fact.

This is pointless since neither the Republicans nor democrats are socialists.

Throwing out terms like these has had a predictable effect - nothing actually means anything anymore. In practical terms socialism means both socialism and its opposite - totalitarianism. The same has happened with "conservatism" "liberalism" and a host of other terms. Orwell would be proud of the doublspeak.

[kappys]

Yes, but the party started out as socialists. Sorry. It's a fact. Now they became fascists. What does that tell you?

You will also be certain to note then that North Korea is a democracy. Afterall Kim jong Il is elected to office every year.

[NaptownChief]

Nope the parallels to Germany 1939 belong to the US currently



What does this opinion have to do with the point that countries and cultures can dramatically change in 70 years let alone 200 years?

Put down the bong and follow along.

[Garcia Bronco]

This is pointless since neither the Republicans nor democrats are socialists.

Throwing out terms like these has had a predictable effect - nothing actually means anything anymore. In practical terms socialism means both socialism and its opposite - totalitarianism. The same has happened with "conservatism" "liberalism" and a host of other terms. Orwell would be proud of the doublspeak.

But there are socialists in the democratic party.

[alkemical]

But there are socialists in the democratic party.

And in the republican party. Corporate-Socialism is still socialism.

[kappys]

But there are socialists in the democratic party.

Depending on your prefered definition there are socialists everywhere.

I was told by a friend of mine who is a political scientists that in many technical publications terms like socialist, conservative, liberal, etc. aren't even used because the meaning is no longer precise. Other terms have entered to take over

[Garcia Bronco]

And in the republican party. Corporate-Socialism is still socialism.

I would agree. But when we are talking about publically trade funds it's hard to let that go by the wayside. If you let these companies go under then you have people losing their jobs and all the people out there that are vested from a securities perspective lose their retirement funds and so on.

So whats the answer? I don't know. On the one hand you would like to see these companies get what the get for bad business decisions, on the other it's not the executive team that gets screwed. It's the worker. Right now every publically traded company spends millions in revenue to comply with SOX, maybe HIPPA, the GLB, the SEC, maybe the FAA, maybe the FCC, and so on. There is too much governemnt regualtion in the wrong places.

[Garcia Bronco]

Depending on your prefered definition there are socialists everywhere.

I was told by a friend of mine who is a political scientists that in many technical publications terms like socialist, conservative, liberal, etc. aren't even used because the meaning is no longer precise. Other terms have entered to take over

True. It's not black and white, but generally speaking they still apply. What your friend has realized is that no one is specifically anything. They are conservative on some issues and liberal on others.

[alkemical]

I would agree. But when we are talking about publically trade funds it's hard to let that go by the wayside. If you let these companies go under then you have people losing their jobs and all the people out there that are vested from a securities perspective lose their retirement funds and so on.

So whats the answer? I don't know. On the one hand you would like to see these companies get what the get for bad business decisions, on the other it's not the executive team that gets screwed. It's the worker. Right now every publically traded company spends millions in revenue to comply with SOX, maybe HIPPA, the GLB, the SEC, maybe the FAA, maybe the FCC, and so on. There is too much governemnt regualtion in the wrong places.



Yet you feel that people should take the hit for making bad mortgage decisions... go figure, eh?

[MO<1>]

Your nightmare already happened under Bush. Or have been asleep the last 8 years.

Nice deflection! Your comments work on those that are unhappy with their lives and not willing to stand up. The same way it worked in the Rhineland. Obama knows what is good for you. He stood up in front of hellenic columns in Denver and promised you Change that YOU NEED!

Hitler did the same thing at the Brandenburg gates. He even gave out free beer like Obama did.

The last 8 years have been great for me, but I am concerned about the next one.

[TheDave]

Nice deflection! Your comments work on those that are unhappy with their lives and not willing to stand up. The same way it worked in the Rhineland. Obama knows what is good for you. He stood up in front of hellenic columns in Denver and promised you Change that YOU NEED!

Hitler did the same thing at the Brandenburg gates. He even gave out free beer like Obama did.

The last 8 years have been great for me, but I am concerned about the next one.

Let me guess... The Obama is a Muslim crack wasn't gainning enough traction.

Obama = Hitler... Awesome :thumbs:

[Garcia Bronco]

Yet you feel that people should take the hit for making bad mortgage decisions... go figure, eh?

I do. There is a right way to buy property and a wrong way and one must be educated before making a 30 year purchase.

[TailgateNut]

Let me guess... The Obama is a Muslim crack wasn't gainning enough traction.

Obama = Hitler... Awesome :thumbs:


He talks about the right attacking while spewing this crap.

[kappys]

True. It's not black and white, but generally speaking they still apply. What your friend has realized is that no one is specifically anything. They are conservative on some issues and liberal on others.

No he was not referring to the idea that people aren't all socialist or conservative or liberal; rather that the words have lost their meaning from a technical sense and have been replaced by more precise ones.

I disagree that they still apply - they hardly mean anything.

[Garcia Bronco]

No he was not referring to the idea that people aren't all socialist or conservative or liberal; rather that the words have lost their meaning from a technical sense and have been replaced by more precise ones.

I disagree that they still apply - they hardly mean anything.

Generally they don't, but specifically they do. For example, I am conservative on spending and I am liberal on drug laws.

[Garcia Bronco]

Let me guess... The Obama is a Muslim crack wasn't gainning enough traction.

Obama = Hitler... Awesome :thumbs:

That's not what he said Dave.

[TheDave]

That's not what he said Dave.

Sure it is...

[alkemical]

I do. There is a right way to buy property and a wrong way and one must be educated before making a 30 year purchase.

So what's good for the goose - is not good for the taxpayer...

[alkemical]

Sure it is...

Come on man, you think it's the same as saying muslim = terrorist

[Garcia Bronco]

Sure it is...

That's what you took from it.

[TheDave]

Come on man, you think it's the same as saying muslim = terrorist

Let me think back to a string of emails i got...


Email #1 = Barak HUSSEIN Obama went to a muslim school

Email #2 = Barak HUSSEIN Obama took his oath on the Koran

Email #3 = The Koran tells ALL muslims to commit acts of Terrorism


I wonder what they were getting at?

[TheDave]

That's what you took from it.

I know... Reading comprehension is one of my strengths :thumbs:

[Garcia Bronco]

Obama did go to a Muslim school and was raised by a muslim. That is true. It doesn't mean he's a jihad wagin Islamic fundy hell bent of destroying the great devil that is the US.

[alkemical]

Let me think back to a string of emails i got...


Email #1 = Barak HUSSEIN Obama went to a muslim school

Email #2 = Barak HUSSEIN Obama took his oath on the Koran

Email #3 = The Koran tells ALL muslims to commit acts of Terrorism


I wonder what they were getting at?


Come on Dave - you don't mean that it was meant to lead people to think that Barak HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim terrorist, do ya.... I mean they DIDN'T actually come out and say that....

[alkemical]

Obama did go to a Muslim school and was raised by a muslim. That is true. It doesn't mean he's a jihad wagin Islamic fundy hell bent of destroying the great devil that is the US.

You could have fooled me (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm)

[TheDave]

Come on Dave - you don't mean that it was meant to lead people to think that Barak HUSSEIN Obama is a muslim terrorist, do ya.... I mean they DIDN'T actually come out and say that....

Ya know... Maybe you are right. I might of judged them too quickly.

[alkemical]

Ya know... Maybe you are right. I might of judged them too quickly.

:clown:

I mean really - who'd think in THAT manner of connect the dots anyway ;)

[Garcia Bronco]

You could have fooled me (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm)

He went to a Muslim school and his step father was a Muslim. Both of which he spent his youth involved with.

[alkemical]

He went to a Muslim school and his step father was a Muslim. Both of which he spent his youth involved with.

Obviously you missed the point...intentionally or not....

[Spider]

The exit door must have been obstructed. LOL

the pig line was funny , this wasnt .... may want to regroup .........

[Denver Crush]

He went to a Muslim school and his step father was a Muslim. Both of which he spent his youth involved with.

I spent my youth with Roman Catholics, but I believe in sex before marriage and birth control. I am now in no way affiliated with any kind of organized religion. This argument is worthless. Some people do in fact use their own intuition and logic in life. Not all of us are robots that accept everything we're passed as truth.

[Garcia Bronco]

I spent my youth with Roman Catholics, but I believe in sex before marriage and birth control. I am now in no way affiliated with any kind of organized religion. This argument is worthless. Some people do in fact use their own intuition and logic in life. Not all of us are robots that accept everything we're passed as truth.

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama experienced these things. And for some people it's an issue. Nobody here said he went to a madrassa(sp) or attended jihad camp. But he was exposed to Islam at an early age, and some people have a probelm with that. And it's okay if they do.

[Rohirrim]

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama experienced these things. And for some people it's an issue. Nobody here said he went to a madrassa(sp) or attended jihad camp. But he was exposed to Islam at an early age, and some people have a probelm with that. And it's okay if they do.

Actually, I have to agree with you. After all, I think Palin's association and belief in fundamentalism makes her a loony tune who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the most powerful office on Earth. I mean, schitzel, the woman believes in the friggin "End Times." Is that the finger we want on the button?

[MO<1>]

I spent my youth with Roman Catholics, but I believe in sex before marriage and birth control. I am now in no way affiliated with any kind of organized religion. This argument is worthless. Some people do in fact use their own intuition and logic in life. Not all of us are robots that accept everything we're passed as truth.

That is correct. Some people do in fact use their own intuition and logic in life. The evaluate their choices by examining the risks. Being exposed to Islam is not a bad thing. I was exposed to racism but I am not a racist. I was exposed to drug use but do not use drugs. I have been exposed to people who filed for banruptcy, but I will not. I have been exposed to welfare and refuse to partake. I have been exposed to Obama and choose to just say no.

But what about those people who cannot? Are people enraptured in religious cults still not people? Are angry people wanting a way out not open to other options? Those with closed minds will not evaluate their actions; they break down into namecalling and tyranical hate for others. They often find solace in joining with others wrapped up in their same cloak of misjudgement. :welcome:

[Breaker]

How about the other 22 out of 22 countries in the world that prefer Obama according to the BBC?

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/533.php?nid=&id=&pnt=533&lb=

I'm sure they are all now cowards and surrender monkeys too.

Of course the rest of the world wants Obama because they know that if a Democrat is elected, their own nations will gain more power and prestige and have more influence in world affairs because Dems are WEAK ASS PUSHOVERS.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Like I said, talk about a complete lack of class. Although I must admit, I didn't think even you would sink this low. Of course, we should all know by now, there's is no level to which the Right is not ashamed to sink in their displays of rabid partisanship.

QFT.

They know they can't run on the issues, so distractions like the thread-starter's latest exercise in provincial-minded, xenophobic stupidity is all they have left.

[Drek]

Drek, glad to see a consistent left leaning supporter draw a line to the Nazis. How did the Nazis come to power? They ranted about the economy, promised change, spewed hate, and called any differing voice a criminal. They slandered, skewed, and persecuted anyone that did not agree with them into the ovens. If Obama controls the white house, the senate, and the congress (and the judicial branch), this will give him as much power as Chancellor Hitler posessed. I don't think this is going to happen, but neither did anyone in the 1930's. Those active socialist governments demonstrate almost zero tolerance when it comes to outside thinking. How much freedom do you want to give up insteading of standing up?
No, that sounds a hell of a lot like how Bush and Cheney have ran their administration, and how Rove and Schmidt are running McCain's campaign.

Obama on the other hand has been a leading voice in this nation over the last few years for acceptance of other cultures and letting all sources give input at the table.

Hell, Obama's mother was an anthropologist. You know, those people who specifically study other cultures?

Funny that the right wingers can't get that in a thread that is basically centered on intolerance of a vital ally, without whom we don't win the revolutionary war, and who was the second major nation to adopt democracy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Of course Iran wanted Bush because they knew that if Bush was elected, their own nation would gain more power and prestige and have more influence in world affairs because Republicans are idiots who can't govern

Fixed.

[DenverBrit]

No, that sounds a hell of a lot like how Bush and Cheney have ran their administration, and how Rove and Schmidt are running McCain's campaign.

Obama on the other hand has been a leading voice in this nation over the last few years for acceptance of other cultures and letting all sources give input at the table.

Hell, Obama's mother was an anthropologist. You know, those people who specifically study other cultures?

Funny that the right wingers can't get that in a thread that is basically centered on intolerance of a vital ally, without whom we don't win the revolutionary war, and who was the second major nation to adopt democracy.

You mean the Revolution where innocents were sent to the Guillotine without trial and Napoleon crowned himself Emperor while killing millions??

You're kidding, right?? ;D

[Bronco Bob]

The Nazi's were socialists. So probably not.

Wrong. The Nazis were fascists.

Fascism is a totalitarian nationalist political ideology and mass movement that is concerned with notions of cultural decline or decadence, and which seeks to achieve a millenarian national rebirth by exalting the nation or race, as well as promoting cults of unity, strength and purity.
The following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, militarism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, populism, collectivism, statism, social interventionism, and economic planning.

[Bronco Bob]

It could lower the price of gas tomorrow if Government got out of the way.

How so?

[Garcia Bronco]

Wrong. The Nazis were fascists.

The Nazi's started as socialist.

[Garcia Bronco]

How so?

By getting out of the way with all the red tape.

[Bronco Bob]

Drek, glad to see a consistent left leaning supporter draw a line to the Nazis. How did the Nazis come to power? They ranted about the economy, promised change, spewed hate, and called any differing voice a criminal. They slandered, skewed, and persecuted anyone that did not agree with them into the ovens. If Obama controls the white house, the senate, and the congress (and the judicial branch), this will give him as much power as Chancellor Hitler posessed. I don't think this is going to happen, but neither did anyone in the 1930's. Those active socialist governments demonstrate almost zero tolerance when it comes to outside thinking. How much freedom do you want to give up insteading of standing up?

Sounds more like how Bush and the Republicans came to power.
Notice how you left out invading other countries on false pretext.
Bush-Iraq, Hitler-Poland. Doubt if Obama is going to start any
phony wars to ensure political power. McCain, another story.
"Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"

[Bronco Bob]

Name calling as usual. You guys need to remind us how the Repulicans are the ones that stoop to low levels slinging mud.

The principles in which the Democrats stand for are so poor that name calling is all you have when somebody doesn't agree with you. Maybe you guys should spend less time name calling and more time figuring out something worthy to stand for.

Who was calling you names? He merely described what you were.
If you don't like it, change your ways.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco
Yes, but the party started out as socialists. Sorry. It's a fact. Now they became fascists. What does that tell you?


You will also be certain to note then that North Korea is a democracy. Afterall Kim jong Il is elected to office every year.

Moreover, the official name of the county is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. So apparently people like GB must assume North Korea is a democracy,
seeing as it has the word democracy in its name.

Because his only basis for thinking the nazis were socialist is because
they had the word socialism in their official name.

[Bronco Bob]

I would agree. But when we are talking about publically trade funds it's hard to let that go by the wayside. If you let these companies go under then you have people losing their jobs and all the people out there that are vested from a securities perspective lose their retirement funds and so on.

So whats the answer? I don't know. On the one hand you would like to see these companies get what the get for bad business decisions, on the other it's not the executive team that gets screwed. It's the worker. Right now every publically traded company spends millions in revenue to comply with SOX, maybe HIPPA, the GLB, the SEC, maybe the FAA, maybe the FCC, and so on. There is too much governemnt regualtion in the wrong places.

So it's okay to let people die because you don't want socialized medicine,
but it's bad to let a company die because some people might lose their
money in the stock market thus corporate socialism is good.
of work for a while.

[Bronco Bob]

I agree, but that doesn't change the fact that Obama experienced these things. And for some people it's an issue. Nobody here said he went to a madrassa(sp) or attended jihad camp. But he was exposed to Islam at an early age, and some people have a probelm with that. And it's okay if they do.

I had some uncles who were farmers. I was exposed to cattle. Does that
make me a cow? Does that even make me a farmer?

[Rohirrim]

I had some uncles who were farmers. I was exposed to cattle. Does that
make me a cow? Does that even make me a farmer?

Of course not. It makes you a member of Al Queda. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No, that sounds a hell of a lot like how Bush and Cheney have ran their administration, and how Rove and Schmidt are running McCain's campaign.


Isn't that funny?

McClone declares that going after family members in a campaign is beyond the pale - but he hires the same guy who viciously smeared his family ("McCain has a black love child") in the 2000 GOP primary.

[Drek]

You mean the Revolution where innocents were sent to the Guillotine without trial and Napoleon crowned himself Emperor while killing millions??

You're kidding, right?? ;D

That's the beast of violent revolution.

How many people died to found America? British, Spanish, and Native American.

I just hope we don't have to see more violent revolt like that for us to see real change, but I wouldn't bet against it.

[DenverBrit]

That's the beast of violent revolution.

How many people died to found America? British, Spanish, and Native American.

I just hope we don't have to see more violent revolt like that for us to see real change, but I wouldn't bet against it.

:thumbsup:

[alkemical]

That's the beast of violent revolution.

How many people died to found America? British, Spanish, and Native American.

I just hope we don't have to see more violent revolt like that for us to see real change, but I wouldn't bet against it.

That's because people don't realize that it doesn't HAVE to be that way. But instead, like the stupid animals we can be.....we don't ****ing listen.

[DenverBrit]

That's because people don't realize that it doesn't HAVE to be that way. But instead, like the stupid animals we can be.....we don't ****ing listen.

Unfortunately, we are proving Santayana correct.

"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"

[Garcia Bronco]

Moreover, the official name of the county is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. So apparently people like GB must assume North Korea is a democracy,
seeing as it has the word democracy in its name.

Because his only basis for thinking the nazis were socialist is because
they had the word socialism in their official name.

Apples - Oranges

[stugotsII]

http://timescorrespondents.typepad.com/charles_bremner/2008/09/barack-obama-th.html


That ought to tell you a ton. It is virtually impossible to get more than 60% of any group to agree on anything in life so 80% is virtually unheard of. So when the wimpy, socialist French support someone at 80% it gives you a wonderful indication that they are certain he is one of their own.

This is a great indicator of who NOT to vote for. Also, a new poll shows Russians favor Obama.

Sure, lets listen to a country that historically has a huge unemployment rate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSLA49136220080910?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[Garcia Bronco]

I had some uncles who were farmers. I was exposed to cattle. Does that
make me a cow? Does that even make me a farmer?

I don't know what your experiences are. Does it?

[Drek]

Unfortunately, we are proving Santayana correct.

"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"

Exactly.

I personally see this election as a retelling of the 20's and 30's of U.S. history. Bush is the second coming of Warren G. Harding complete with Tea Pot Dome levels of corruption throughout his staff. McCain is a new Coolidge, complete with laissez faire economic views. He'll do a lot to restore some national pride in the executive branch, but he won't do anything to turn around our failing economy.

Meanwhile Obama is clearly a new FDR. Accused of being a socialist by the right, proposing a second new deal for the general population, and having a strong economic and civil reform focus as the base of his campaign.

In the 20's the American people had to suffer through the do nothing politics of Coolidge and Hoover before getting FDR, and enter the great depression. We have the chance to avoid that same mistake, but a large portion of this country doesn't know their history well enough to see how obvious it really is.

I don't agree with Obama on several of my more important issues, but when it comes to the economy and energy policy he's clearly the candidate this country needs.