**** you American voters

[alkemical]

Dear American Voters,

**** you. You've been ****ing **** up for far too long. You vote for the worst choices. You say you are only voting for the lesser of two evils - how do you excuse yourself for voting for "evil" at all?

Why is it that you will vote for someone that you despise because you think this POS is better than that POS? Isn't a POS still a POS?

Where did you all turn into a bunch of ****ing pussies who refuse to stand up and take charge? Did you forget who you are, did you forget what you actually have?

Or are you too ****ing trapped in your nests you built, where everything owns you? Where you are too afraid to change the status quo because you might loose your Toyota Camry?

When did you become afraid to get some scars and deal with the heavy lifting?

So **** you American Voters. You deserve exactly what you get. You think this country is going down the tubes - look in the ****ing mirror and see the answer as to why: YOU are the problem.

[bronclvr]

Did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

[alkemical]

Not at all. Just calling it like i see it. My POV: If you don't like what i wrote - you are part of the problem.

[TailgateNut]

Damn "skippy", nothin like laying it all out!:thumbs:

I'll play!

Who in your "perfect world" would be the person to elect into office, and why should he receive my vote?

[bronclvr]

Ummm, alrighty then, whatever you say-

[alkemical]

Damn "skippy", nothin like laying it all out!:thumbs:

I'll play!

Who in your "perfect world" would be the person to elect into office, and why should he receive my vote?

Well, my ideal Utopian world doesn't exist (I call it Enlightened Anarchy - ala HD Thoreau, etc). That's just it, perfect doesn't exist. But you have to demand and push for it, eventually you get a moment - and that's all you get.

If you continue to play by the rules that are set, to keep the status quo - status quo - you are part of the problem. You hear these guys talking about change, but there is no change.

So there isn't a perfect person - but my standards are higher. I refuse to vote for "evil" because i'm told that those are my options. Not true. I have other options.

Funny how doing the right thing isn't popular, but choosing the popular choice(s) aren't the right thing to do.

[alkemical]

Ummm, alrighty then, whatever you say-

Cool glad to know you are part of the problem. We won't have to waste the most precious resource available on you: Time.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When I saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be a message from the RNC.

[alkemical]

When I saw the thread title, I thought it was going to be a message from the RNC.

Nah, I just looked it up and Obama voted for the Telecom Immunity bill as well as the patriot act. He'll tell you to **** off and suck it too.

[bronclvr]

Cool glad to know you are part of the problem. We won't have to waste the most precious resource available on you: Time.

You know,

I have never attacked you nor anyone on this Board-I refuse to lower myself to people who think they are above everyone else-I'm certainly not. amesj, grow up-do you really think ANYBODY cares who you vote for?

You are normally a thoughtful, enlightening Poster, and many times you have brought forth some great stuff, but it seems like the last few Months you have changed (from MY POV)-where is that great guy I used to admire?

A lot of people here spend their time putting people down-it takes equal energy to help someone up-

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nah, I just looked it up and Obama voted for the Telecom Immunity bill as well as the patriot act. He'll tell you to **** off and suck it too.

I know he did.

And I had not reconciled myself to vote for him...that is, not until McSame announced his VP selection.

I was hoping against hope that you, too, might be prevailed upon to hold your nose and vote for an admittedly imperfect candidate, i.e., Obama, in the interest of preventing the ascension of a woman who is the love child of Fred Phelps and Ann Coulter to the throne...?

Sorry - a guy can dream, I guess. :D

[alkemical]

You know,

I have never attacked you nor anyone on this Board-I refuse to lower myself to people who think they are above everyone else-I'm certainly not. amesj, grow up-do you really think ANYBODY cares who you vote for?

You are normally a thoughtful, enlightening Poster, and many times you have brought forth some great stuff, but it seems like the last few Months you have changed (from MY POV)-where is that great guy I used to admire?

A lot of people here spend their time putting people down-it takes equal energy to help someone up-


Don't ever admire anybody - that's your first mistake. Second - i do still post enlightening stuff - but not so much on the mane. It's wasted here. Third, if you feel that i'm putting you down, and i'm somehow better than you: I never implied that and if that's how you see it/read it - then you are probably right. (like when you date someone and they say they don't deserve you/you are too good for them - they are right).

If you want enlightenment, seek it out. It will happen.

But when it comes to the political forum - and if you support either major political party - you have failed as a citizen. I hold no regard or tact in stating it that way and calling it as it is. The truth, like roses often have thorns.

I don't have time nor the energy to discuss which POS is a better POS, when it's still a POS. Ya, it comes off short and tactless with a lack of class - but i have to speak in a way which gets people's attention.

So if me being an asshole is what gets you engaged, gets you to find out where you define yourself, then so be it.

But i've asked nicely for people to explain why they vote for the worst choices and everyone just defends their horrid judgment with inept excuses.

You get what you deserve 99% of the time.

[alkemical]

I know he did.

And I had not reconciled myself to vote for him...that is, not until McSame announced his VP selection.

I was hoping against hope that you, too, might be prevailed upon to hold your nose and vote for an admittedly imperfect candidate, i.e., Obama, in the interest of preventing the ascension of a woman who is the love child of Fred Phelps and Ann Coulter to the throne...?

Sorry - a guy can dream, I guess. :D

I cannot vote against my own conscience. I don't feel Obama is any better than Mccain. Asking me to do so (voting for ****), is asking me to sell out what i believe in. It's asking me to become "you", and i can't become you - I have to be me.

93 ~

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I cannot vote against my own conscience. I don't feel Obama is any better than Mccain. Asking me to do so (voting for ****), is asking me to sell out what i believe in. It's asking me to become "you", and i can't become you - I have to be me.

93 ~

What about the Palin part of the equation?

Do you believe there is no difference between Palin (who would be one VERY faint heartbeat away from the presidency) and Obama?

Also, do you believe it's possible for a third party candidate to win the presidential election this year?

If so, how?

What needs to happen?

[Spider]

this notion isnt entirely true , for example FDR , is what the country needed , he served 4 terms , would have served another but congress put a stop to that, JFK , the labor movement ,Reagan , a total **** head , but he was what this country needed at the time , we needed spending , get Corporate America back on their feet , these things come in cycles , unfortunately we get bad that comes with the good , this is where the bureaucrats come in ...... The parties have their core beliefs , sometimes we get rotten people repin the party . that still doesnt constitute the throwing out the baby with the bathwater mentality

[alkemical]

What about the Palin part of the equation?

Do you believe there is no difference between Palin (who would be one VERY faint heartbeat away from the presidency) and Obama?

Also, do you believe it's possible for a third party candidate to win the presidential election this year?

If so, how?

What needs to happen?


Biden voted for the same bull ****, and as for palin - she's just another one of the same. They just got her from AK cuz she's a pretty face and she's from AK (when does AK ever make the news).

IMO, for a true "reformer" (not even tied to a 3rd party) - I actually think we need something really bad to happen. Until people lose enough, to understand what real freedom is - no change will happen.

[baja]

Dear American Voters,

**** you. You've been ****ing **** up for far too long. You vote for the worst choices. You say you are only voting for the lesser of two evils - how do you excuse yourself for voting for "evil" at all?

Why is it that you will vote for someone that you despise because you think this POS is better than that POS? Isn't a POS still a POS?

Where did you all turn into a bunch of ****ing pussies who refuse to stand up and take charge? Did you forget who you are, did you forget what you actually have?

Or are you too ****ing trapped in your nests you built, where everything owns you? Where you are too afraid to change the status quo because you might loose your Toyota Camry?

When did you become afraid to get some scars and deal with the heavy lifting?

So **** you American Voters. You deserve exactly what you get. You think this country is going down the tubes - look in the ****ing mirror and see the answer as to why: YOU are the problem.


A - FUUCKING - MEN

[alkemical]

this notion isnt entirely true , for example FDR , is what the country needed , he served 4 terms , would have served another but congress put a stop to that, JFK , the labor movement ,Reagan , a total **** head , but he was what this country needed at the time , we needed spending , get Corporate America back on their feet , these things come in cycles , unfortunately we get bad that comes with the good , this is where the bureaucrats come in ...... The parties have their core beliefs , sometimes we get rotten people repin the party . that still doesnt constitute the throwing out the baby with the bathwater mentality

I never said anything about throwing the baby out with the bathwater - but why the **** not anyway? It just cries and ****s all the time and it never grows the **** up.

[bronclvr]

Don't ever admire anybody - that's your first mistake. Second - i do still post enlightening stuff - but not so much on the mane. It's wasted here. Third, if you feel that i'm putting you down, and i'm somehow better than you: I never implied that and if that's how you see it/read it - then you are probably right. (like when you date someone and they say they don't deserve you/you are too good for them - they are right).

If you want enlightenment, seek it out. It will happen.

But when it comes to the political forum - and if you support either major political party - you have failed as a citizen. I hold no regard or tact in stating it that way and calling it as it is. The truth, like roses often have thorns.

I don't have time nor the energy to discuss which POS is a better POS, when it's still a POS. Ya, it comes off short and tactless with a lack of class - but i have to speak in a way which gets people's attention.

So if me being an a-hole is what gets you engaged, gets you to find out where you define yourself, then so be it.

But i've asked nicely for people to explain why they vote for the worst choices and everyone just defends their horrid judgment with inept excuses.

You get what you deserve 99% of the time.


Whatever you say, and you are certainly welcome to your beliefs, just understand that not everyone will share them-good luck on your road to enlightenment-:thumbs:

As for inept excuses and horrid judgement, hey, you are asking people on an Internet Board (for Heaven's sake) where it's easy to hide behind a Screen, point Fingers, drop insults and feel good about it-what else do you expect?

[alkemical]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how voting for the "lesser" of two evils, is palatable and excusable. Explain to me how picking any from of "evil" or "****", is better than any other form of "evil" or "****"?

[alkemical]

Whatever you say, and you are certainly welcome to your beliefs, just understand that not everyone will share them-good luck on your road to enlightenment-:thumbs:

As for inept excuses and horrid judgement, hey, you are asking people on an Internet Board (for Heaven's sake) where it's easy to hide behind a Screen, point Fingers, drop insults and feel good about it-what else do you expect?

Just to let you know - I do this in person too ;)

[Spider]

I never said anything about throwing the baby out with the bathwater - but why the **** not anyway? It just cries and ****s all the time and it never grows the **** up.
can you name a better system ?

[Spider]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how voting for the "lesser" of two evils, is palatable and excusable. Explain to me how picking any from of "evil" or "****", is better than any other form of "evil" or "****"?

define evil .......

[baja]

Don't ever admire anybody - that's your first mistake. Second - i do still post enlightening stuff - but not so much on the mane. It's wasted here. Third, if you feel that i'm putting you down, and i'm somehow better than you: I never implied that and if that's how you see it/read it - then you are probably right. (like when you date someone and they say they don't deserve you/you are too good for them - they are right).

If you want enlightenment, seek it out. It will happen.

But when it comes to the political forum - and if you support either major political party - you have failed as a citizen. I hold no regard or tact in stating it that way and calling it as it is. The truth, like roses often have thorns.

I don't have time nor the energy to discuss which POS is a better POS, when it's still a POS. Ya, it comes off short and tactless with a lack of class - but i have to speak in a way which gets people's attention.

So if me being an a-hole is what gets you engaged, gets you to find out where you define yourself, then so be it.

But i've asked nicely for people to explain why they vote for the worst choices and everyone just defends their horrid judgment with inept excuses.

You get what you deserve 99% of the time.

Where do you post, I agree there are precious few good posters left here.

[baja]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how voting for the "lesser" of two evils, is palatable and excusable. Explain to me how picking any from of "evil" or "****", is better than any other form of "evil" or "****"?

We should all feel indepted to GWB he finally broke a system that has been mortally wonded for quite some time now.

Remember my advise on how to ride out the time of chaos.

[alkemical]

define evil .......

YOU defined evil. Everyone (paraphrased hyperbole) states that they don't like Mccain or Obama - but they are voting for "their" guy because he's the lesser of two evils....

Define why you'd vote for "evil" spider.

[baja]

can you name a better system ?

On paper 'No' but we lost that system some time ago, sorry to say.

[alkemical]

can you name a better system ?

Than what, a corporate-state socialist environment where the middle class is only pandered to enough to keep buying **** (and i do mean ****)? Where stupidity is idolized?

Gee, i dunno spider - where's a better system than that?

[Spider]

YOU defined evil. Everyone (paraphrased hyperbole) states that they don't like Mccain or Obama - but they are voting for "their" guy because he's the lesser of two evils....

Define why you'd vote for "evil" spider.

it is your question .......... you need to set the guidelines of what you think evil is , if I had asked why do you vote for evil , I would have set the definition , I didnt ask the question you did ......... so please define evil for me

[alkemical]

Where do you post, I agree there are precious few good posters left here.


Mostly in print now. I've been getting ready to launch my magazine by Winter Solstice (heh ;) )

I don't print my rants - but i do write essays on freedom and liberty and have a pamphlet that i put in bus stops and in the ad-bins at grocery stores, etc.

In a war of ideas - you need to plant the seeds anywhere you can.

So i guess - most of what i do was taken out of the Online world - and moved to action in the "real" world.

My blog at times has stuff but i haven't done anything political on it in a bit - most of that is my "philosophical" things.

[alkemical]

it is your question .......... you need to set the guidelines of what you think evil is , if I had asked why do you vote for evil , I would have set the definition , I didnt ask the question you did ......... so please define evil for me

You defined evil spider. I'm sorry you can't or are unwilling to follow along, but that's not my problem.

[spdirty]

can you name a better system ?

Maybe if we got rid of the 12th amendment we might have moe than 2 realistic choices to vote for.

[Spider]

You defined evil spider. I'm sorry you can't or are unwilling to follow along, but that's not my problem.

I see so you asked the question but it is up to us to define it ?
So my interpretation of evil is the same as youres ? . or is evil all under the same heading ?
for EXAMPLE ..... Iran Contra , Gulf of tolkin Iraq are all the same evil as lets say .. I am against the Patriot act , but votes for it anyway ? is that you definition of Evil ?
you asked the question ames , how can anyone answer it when you have an umbrella question ? So yes you are the author of this thread so it is your problem

[Spider]

Maybe if we got rid of the 12th amendment we might have moe than 2 realistic choices to vote for.

But if we did that Bush is back in texas clearing shrub ......... err wait , you maybe on to something ;D

[alkemical]

I see so you asked the question but it is up to us to define it ?
So my interpretation of evil is the same as youres ? . or is evil all under the same heading ?
for EXAMPLE ..... Iran Contra , Gulf of tolkin Iraq are all the same evil as lets say .. I am against the Patriot act , but votes for it anyway ? is that you definition of Evil ?
you asked the question ames , how can anyone answer it when you have an umbrella question ? So yes you are the author of this thread so it is your problem

As is often in these situations it is the lesser of evils... Neither candidate is perfect, but I will not go throough 4 more years of GWB.


Again spider either follow the conversation, or don't play.

[Spider]

Again spider either follow the conversation, or don't play.

LOL nice try , thats the dave ask him what his definition of evil is , Iam asking you ....... you made the comment of **** you American voters , went into this big ole spiel of how we are ****ing up , How do you expect to show someone their ****s ups with out being precise , I am an American voter , so I will ask again what is YOUR definition of evil ?

[alkemical]

LOL nice try , thats the dave ask him what his definition of evil is , Iam asking you ....... yo uamde the comment of **** you American voters , went into this big ole spiel of how we are ****ing up , How do you expect to show someone their ****s ups with out being precise , I am an American voter , so I will ask again what is YOUR definition of evil ?

Thanks for again illustrating that you have little cognitive ability to follow a contextual conversation.

I stated it before - if the American public - doesn't like the actual candidates, but chooses to vote for a guy because he's the "lesser of two evils" - then why do you vote for evil?

(Follow along spider - if you claim you are voting for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil - therefore - why is it acceptable to vote for evil and not demand better?)

Now, i know you think you are clever and are trying to spin this into another discussion but the fact is - this is the third time i'm illustrating this to you - so either you get it - or you don't.

[Spider]

Thanks for again illustrating that you have little cognitive ability to follow a contextual conversation.

I stated it before - if the American public - doesn't like the actual candidates, but chooses to vote for a guy because he's the "lesser of two evils" - then why do you vote for evil?

(Follow along spider - if you claim you are voting for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil - therefore - why is it acceptable to vote for evil and not demand better?)

Now, i know you think you are clever and are trying to spin this into another discussion but the fact is - this is the third time i'm illustrating this to you - so either you get it - or you don't.
I never made that claim of voting for the lesser of 2 evils , But I am an American voter , so according to you I am ****ing up . how so ? you went with this Lesser of evil crap ....... instead of getting on a soap box and pretending to be intellectually superior .. perhaps you shouldnt use such a broad brush ......... Lesson over .have a nice day

[alkemical]

I never made that claim of voting for the lesser of 2 evils , But I am an American voter , so according to you I am ****ing up . how so ? you went with this Lesser of evil crap ....... instead of getting on a soap box and pretending to be intellectually superior .. perhaps you shouldnt use such a broad brush ......... Lesson over .have a nice day

Ha! So you get stuck and you run when you can't answer the question in the parameters i have defined.

Guess Spider has defined himself, a fool.

[Spider]

Ha! So you get stuck and you run when you can't answer the question in the parameters i have defined.

Guess Spider has defined himself.

LOL . where in the hell did you come up with this crap at ? perhaps 10 minutes in your happy place is warranted

[alkemical]

LOL . where in the hell did you come up with this crap at ? perhaps 10 minutes in your happy place is warranted

You came up with it, it's illustrated for everyone to see.

So, you can have a nice day. I'm just glad i'm not you.

[Spider]

You came up with it, it's illustrated for everyone to see.

So, you can have a nice day. I'm just glad i'm not you.

LOL the only thing illustrated is , you used a broad brush , cant define evil , and an outside chance you suffer from multi personalities .......

[Spider]

Look ames i will help you out here .......In the future to make a thread like this ....Say **** you voters that vote ..... then go into your little spiel about how they ruin everything blah, blah , blah ..... dont include everyone , all you did was show that you are having a meltdown .is that the message you want ot send ?

[alkemical]

LOL the only thing illustrated is , you used a broad brush , cant define evil , and an outside chance you suffer from multi personalities .......

Off-Topic:

Multiple Personality disorder is overblown. Everyone has different personalities.

[alkemical]

Look ames i will help you out here .......In the future to make a thread like this ....Say **** you voters that vote ..... then go into your little spiel about how they ruin everything blah, blah , blah ..... dont include everyone , all you did was show that you are having a meltdown .is that the message you want ot send ?


Spider - i'd say "**** you american voters" - is the same as saying "**** you voters who vote" - it's redundant.

I can make an argument for those whom don't vote, aren't voting due to apathy in which they won't support a system that's broke.

Don't you include all republicans together? Or am i again, letting spider illustrate his own definition?

[Spider]

Off-Topic:

Multiple Personality disorder is overblown. Everyone has different personalities.

:~ohyah!: that explains the early morning wife to mid after noon wife

[baja]

You came up with it, it's illustrated for everyone to see.

So, you can have a nice day. <b> I'm just glad i'm not you.

This is counter productive to your stated goals and you know it.

[Spider]

Spider - i'd say "**** you american voters" - is the same as saying "**** you voters who vote" - it's redundant.

I can make an argument for those whom don't vote, aren't voting due to apathy in which they won't support a system that's broke.

Don't you include all republicans together? Or am i again, letting spider illustrate his own definition?

Sure I do on alot of things , but I stand firm when I do and back it up ..... For example when I call them Child molesters , I know the people posting here are not Molesters , but they support a party full of them ..... The system isnt broke , the system is just fine , it is the PEOPLE in the system , this is where we the people have to use judgment

[alkemical]

This is counter productive to your stated goals and you know it.

I do, and to be honest baja - i really don't care (at this point in time). Sometimes you have to do and be what you have to do and be.

[alkemical]

:~ohyah!: that explains the early morning wife to mid after noon wife

Dude, you have two wives - you got more problems than multiple personality disorders :afro:

[alkemical]

Sure I do on alot of things , but I stand firm when I do and back it up ..... For example when I call them Child molesters , I know the people posting here are not Molesters , but they support a party full of them ..... The system isnt broke , the system is just fine , it is the PEOPLE in the system , this is where we the people have to use judgment

The system IS the people...by the people...FOR the people.....

[Spider]

I do, and to be honest baja - i really don't care (at this point in time). Sometimes you have to do and be what you have to do and be.

But you havent done anything but use a broad brush .......

[Spider]

The system IS the people...by the people...FOR the people.....

No the system is not the people , the system is made by People ,ran by people but it isnt people , the system will run and work to the controlling party's will , for example republicans had al l3 branches , we the people used poor judgment , look where we are , we wouldnt be in this mess if we had voted differently ........

[alkemical]

No the system is not the people , the system is made by People ,ran by people but it isnt people , the system will run and work to the controlling party's will , for example republicans had al l3 branches , we the people used poor judgment , look where we are , we wouldnt be in this mess if we had voted differently ........


What makes up the system spider?

[Spider]

What makes up the system spider?

I said People ...but the system isnt the people , the system is a tool people use , there is no mr goodwrench , that was just a marketing ploy

[alkemical]

I said People ...but the system isnt the people , the system is a tool people use , there is no mr goodwrench , that was just a marketing ploy


No the system is not the people , the system is made by People ,ran by people but it isnt people , the system will run and work to the controlling party's will , for example republicans had al l3 branches , we the people used poor judgment , look where we are , we wouldnt be in this mess if we had voted differently ........

The system IS the people Dude. Who votes, who is ultimately responsible for how the system runs, what is the system composed of?

People.

[Spider]

The system IS the people Dude. Who votes, who is ultimately responsible for how the system runs, what is the system composed of?

People.

no the system is composed of laws , checks , an Balances , these things are ran by the people ........ for example a cop isnt the law , the cop enforces the law ,the law is made up by people using a democratic system .....

[alkemical]

no the system is composed of laws , checks , an Balances , these things are ran by the people ........ for example a cop isnt the law , the cop enforces the law ,the law is made up by people using a democratic system .....

Spider, if the whole is made up of parts - what are the parts? PEOPLE.

You made a comment about a "party's influence" - the party isn't it's own entity - it's made up of PEOPLE.

Depending on which cop you get pulled over by...he very well could be the law.

You can't have it both ways man.

[Spider]

Spider, if the whole is made up of parts - what are the parts? PEOPLE. no people are the administrators of the parts . the creators and the care takers ......

You made a comment about a "party's influence" - the party isn't it's own entity - it's made up of PEOPLE. close ,a party is a platform of Idea .......
[qupte]Depending on which cop you get pulled over by...he very well could be the law.

You can't have it both ways man.[/QUOTE]

this is different , he can never be the law if he is true to the position he holds , again it isnt the law , it is the person enforcing the law

[Meck77]

Nice post amesj. I'm anxiously awaiting Ron Paul's news conference regarding a third party candidate.

[alkemical]

no people are the administrators of the parts . the creators and the care takers ......

close ,a party is a platform of Idea .......
[qupte]Depending on which cop you get pulled over by...he very well could be the law.

You can't have it both ways man.

this is different , he can never be the law if he is true to the position he holds , again it isnt the law , it is the person enforcing the law[/QUOTE]



Glad you finally agree with me spider.

[TheDave]

Awesome... Looks like I will get a few more "Gold Standard" threads before the end of the year.

[alkemical]

Ya, but you still won't make it on anyone's list.

[TheDave]

Ya, but you still won't make it on anyone's list.

Not true... Ive actually made 1 list this year.

Now my life is complete and I can die in peace.

[alkemical]

Not true... Ive actually made 1 list this year.

Now my life is complete and I can die in peace.

LOL!!!

Glad i could help you with your gold standard threads. Would you expect anything less from me?

[Drek]

Nah, I just looked it up and Obama voted for the Telecom Immunity bill as well as the patriot act. He'll tell you to **** off and suck it too.

What was he going to do?

Vote to revoke that immunity so that telecoms could rapidly throw their employees, who had been strong armed by upper management and our intelligence agencies, under the bus?

Short of there being a paper trail no one who really ****ed over American people would get prosecuted. Just a lot of sacrificial lambs sent to the slaughter house to make people feel like there was reform.

[MO<1>]

What was he going to do?

Vote to revoke that immunity so that telecoms could rapidly throw their employees, who had been strong armed by upper management and our intelligence agencies, under the bus?

Short of there being a paper trail no one who really ****ed over American people would get prosecuted. Just a lot of sacrificial lambs sent to the slaughter house to make people feel like there was reform.

Drek,

Any links to your abstract claim over how many sacrifical lambs were sent to the slaughterhouse? I know there were almost 3K warrant requests submitted, how many were unjust as defended sucessfully by the ACLU?

[alkemical]

What was he going to do?

Vote to revoke that immunity so that telecoms could rapidly throw their employees, who had been strong armed by upper management and our intelligence agencies, under the bus?

Short of there being a paper trail no one who really ****ed over American people would get prosecuted. Just a lot of sacrificial lambs sent to the slaughter house to make people feel like there was reform.


As opposed to what? Trampling over the Constitution? So allow things to go the way they are, and continue to "preach" about change? Seems to me the actions and words do not match up, now do they?

[MO<1>]

As opposed to what? Trampling over the Constitution? So allow things to go the way they are, and continue to "preach" about change? Seems to me the actions and words do not match up, now do they?

I thought progressive liberals preached the constitution was an outdated document meant to be a living and evolving guide. Isn't his just what the supreme court announced when it came to delcaring no death penalty for rapists? Did not the judgement clearly state this?

Did not Obama learn this at Harvard? Has anyone ever read what Obama's opinion concerning evolutionary constitutionalism? Not Jefferson's constitution anymore. Before you blame a conservative, thank a liberal lawyer.

[alkemical]

I thought progressive liberals preached the constitution was an outdated document meant to be a living and evolving guide. Isn't his just what the supreme court announced when it came to delcaring no death penalty for rapists? Did not the judgement clearly state this?

Did not Obama learn this at Harvard? Has anyone ever read what Obama's opinion concerning evolutionary constitutionalism? Not Jefferson's constitution anymore. Before you blame a conservative, thank a liberal lawyer.

Ah deflection! -1 for you.

[MO<1>]

Ah deflection! -1 for you.

Did I make a list? Am I popular? Hilarious!

I should have really said thank a big government and progressive liberal voter!

[alkemical]

Did I make a list? Am I popular? Hilarious!

I should have really said thank a big government and progressive liberal voter!

Your cheap sidestep only illustrates my point. So - really - i'd have to say that my opening rant is dedicated to the great citizens like yourself. :thumbsup:

[Dudeskey]

Nah, I just looked it up and Obama voted for the Telecom Immunity bill as well as the patriot act. He'll tell you to **** off and suck it too.

Holy ****, I didn't know that!

[MO<1>]

Your cheap sidestep only illustrates my point. So - really - i'd have to say that my opening rant is dedicated to the great citizens like yourself. :thumbsup:

I agree again that you rant! I also agree that you think deeper examination is a sidestep. Spare me the phony outrage, spare me the phony talk about change, Americans don't want diversion- they want real answers.

I've always been Proud to be an American, and I don't blame anyone else!:welcome:

[alkemical]

I agree again that you rant! I also agree that you think deeper examination is a sidestep. Spare me the phony outrage, spare me the phony talk about change, Americans don't want diversion- they want real answers.

I've always been Proud to be an American, and I don't blame anyone else!:welcome:

People don't want real answers. Sometimes Mo - things are what they are: correct. If someone is preaching "change", and they don't do anything to create change - and stick with what's broken - then what kind of statement is that? Actions do speak louder than words.

Now, come on lets hear some more about how it's not someone else's fault, but the liberals. LMAO!

[MO<1>]

People don't want real answers. Sometimes Mo - things are what they are: correct. If someone is preaching "change", and they don't do anything to create change - and stick with what's broken - then what kind of statement is that? Actions do speak louder than words.

Now, come on lets hear some more about how it's not someone else's fault, but the liberals. LMAO!

You are correct that it is not just the liberals fault, and you demonstrated that is the "us versus thsoe evil one" mentality. People always want an easier life- who doesn't. The differential is what they are willing to do or give up for it. Give or Do!

BTW- Keep up the rants, it takes ideas to move people to action.

[alkemical]

You are correct that it is not just the liberals fault, and you demonstrated that is the "us versus thsoe evil one" mentality. People always want an easier life- who doesn't. The differential is what they are willing to do or give up for it. Give or Do!

BTW- Keep up the rants, it takes ideas to move people to action.



Skate or die!!! Kidding ;)

What i'm looking for - is when did the galvanization start. For me - i remember getting a book on "the contract with America" - and listened to Rush - and heard about how liberalism is the death of this country. I was in middleschool/highschool. For a while i believed it. How did i become brainwashed without even knowing it?

How do many people get stuck in the same cycle? For me, once i realized that those people in DC - didn't live up to their word - and continued the same behaviour - i was done with any faith of politicians.

So when i continue to hear about "conservative"/"liberal" - and about how each one is a death to the other - i don't understand it (Different levels)...

[stugotsII]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how voting for the "lesser" of two evils, is palatable and excusable. Explain to me how picking any from of "evil" or "****", is better than any other form of "evil" or "****"?

In any political race, you could make the argument that one is voting for "lesser" of the two evils.

You could say that, but it doesn't make it so.

And if it were the case...why not vote for the "lesser" of two evils? Common logic would tell you that voting for a person that will hurt your country less and help it more than the other guy would be a smart thing to do.

[Spider]

this is different , he can never be the law if he is true to the position he holds , again it isnt the law , it is the person enforcing the law



Glad you finally agree with me spider.[/QUOTE]

No agreeing , the law is still the system the cop operates with in

[alkemical]

In any political race, you could make the argument that one is voting for "lesser" of the two evils.

You could say that, but it doesn't make it so.

And if it were the case...why not vote for the "lesser" of two evils? Common logic would tell you that voting for a person that will hurt your country less and help it more than the other guy would be a smart thing to do.

Doublethink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink):

Common logic would tell you that voting for a person that will hurt your country less and help it more than the other guy would be a smart thing to do.

____

Do you realize how much that statement appears to violate "common logic"?

[alkemical]

Glad you finally agree with me spider.

No agreeing , the law is still the system the cop operates with in[/QUOTE]


LOL - it's ok spider - you can be wrong.

[MO<1>]

Maybe you should follow the Shanny method. They might be bright and shiny, but character, committment, and will are more important.

[stugotsII]

Doublethink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink):

Common logic would tell you that voting for a person that will hurt your country less and help it more than the other guy would be a smart thing to do.

____

Do you realize how much that statement appears to violate "common logic"?

You do realize that it's only your opinion that both parties are "evil?"

The fact of the matter is, you could find good and bad things about every human being that has ever run for office. There is evil in every man. There is good in every man.

If one mans evils are pedestrian in nature, compared to the other mans...why on Earth would you not vote for him/her?

[Spider]

No agreeing , the law is still the system the cop operates with in


LOL - it's ok spider - you can be wrong.[/QUOTE]

;D well we did disagree and I was civil ...... I want my gold star dammit ..........

[alkemical]

You do realize that it's only your opinion that both parties are "evil?"

The fact of the matter is, you could find good and bad things about every human being that has ever run for office. There is evil in every man. There is good in every man.

If one mans evils are pedestrian in nature, compared to the other mans...why on Earth would you not vote for him/her?


No, i think both parties are ****. I'm using "evil" from the "I'm voting for the lesser of two evils" mantra that is so highly repeated. Thus, i asked - why would you vote for "evil". Not that i think they are evil - but denoting why you accept less and vote for someone you don't like....

[alkemical]

LOL - it's ok spider - you can be wrong.

;D well we did disagree and I was civil ...... I want my gold star dammit ..........[/QUOTE]

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[Spider]

;D well we did disagree and I was civil ...... I want my gold star dammit ..........

http://thumb17.webshots.net/s/thumb4/4/12/41/98441241KqGulD_th.jpg (http://family.webshots.com/photo/1098441241039731637KqGulD)[/QUOTE]

Not what I had in mind ......... get me my ****ing gold star ...... i earned it dammit

[alkemical]

lol!!! You'll like it!

[Spider]

lol!!! You'll like it!
I am telling Taco ;D

[stugotsII]

No, i think both parties are ****. I'm using "evil" from the "I'm voting for the lesser of two evils" mantra that is so highly repeated. Thus, i asked - why would you vote for "evil". Not that i think they are evil - but denoting why you accept less and vote for someone you don't like....

This simply doesn't count for most people. Most people that are voting for BO love him. And same for McCain.

I do think there is a small % of people that think and vote that way.

[Spider]

This simply doesn't count for most people. Most people that are voting for BO love him. And same for McCain.

I do think there is a small % of people that think and vote that way.

I like McCain , dont like Obama , but Obama is the better candidate

[alkemical]

This simply doesn't count for most people. Most people that are voting for BO love him. And same for McCain.

I do think there is a small % of people that think and vote that way.

Who are they, and where do they live? ROFL! (Kidding) -

Anyway: I think the small % of people who are...aligned...or fundamentalists/fanaticals for either of those, or for party - are in the 30% range (so what i'm saying is 60% are nuts for their party - say 30% on each side - i think it was 10% on each side more than it was before due to the galvanization that's put in process for a while).

I think the larger middle group - who don't know whom they are actually voting for is the group i'm going after.