Obama calls McCain and Palin Pigs and says they stink. [Archive] - The Orange Mane

frerottenextelway

09-09-2008, 06:46 PM

From Garcia's link

Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."

UPDATE: The McCain campaign is now saying Obama called Palin a pig, which he didn't. The Obama campaign notes that "lipstick on a pig" is a fairly common idiom Obama often uses, as in a recent Washington Post interview (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/13/AR2007091301679_pf.html). McCain has also used the phrase (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obama_did_not_call_sarah_palin.php).

Though on a day when Obama's surrogates were joking that Palin's record can't be concealed with lipstick, it was hard for those following the campaign not to hear the echo.

UPDATE: Obama aide Anita Dunn responds to the McCain campaign's claim (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Carnahan_Theres_no_way_you_can_dress_up_that_recor d_even_with_a_lot_of_lipstick.html?showall)that Obama compared Palin to a pig:

Enough is enough. The McCain campaign’s attack tonight is a pathetic attempt to play the gender card about the use of a common analogy – the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run.

Just to be clear Garcia, you're a liar.

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defenseman

09-09-2008, 06:59 PM

Sounds about right...

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

Rigs11

09-09-2008, 07:02 PM

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

Yeah right.Do all the repubs live in some sort of dimensional bizzarro world or only the ones with low IQs? How you can come in here and blame the left for being classless is retarded at best.

Rohirrim

09-09-2008, 07:02 PM

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

Really? What kind of class is that? The class of Palin lying over and over again to the American people, day after day, even when the press has called her on it (including the WSJ)? The class of McCain telling the people how opposed to lobbyists he is while his two closest advisors are two of the biggest lobbyists on Capitol Hill? Hell, one of them lobbied in our government for favors for a terrorist? Is that who you support?

Or maybe you support the class of the new ad that attempts to smear Obama with pure lies. That's the class you believe in?

frerottenextelway

09-09-2008, 07:03 PM

I think maybe the Obama camp baited McCain into this - rumor floating around is besides McCain's exact identical quote, this leads the way for a 527 running McCain's ''Chelsea is ugly'' comment in a national ad.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/a-piggish-debat.html

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was "eerily" similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993,

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig," he said, "but it’s still a pig."

A common expression, right?

McCain surely wasn't calling Clinton a pig.

After all, McCain's former press secretary, Torie Clarke, wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No-Spin Era."

Elizabeth Edwards told some health journalists that McCain's health care plan was like "painting lipstick on a pig."

Tonight Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of McCain painting himself as a change agent, "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

The crowd rose and applauded.

(Some of them no doubt were thinking he may have been in some way alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.")

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington. And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."

Obama's campaign insisted that he was not alluding to Palin at all.

"That expression is older than my grandfather's grandfather," said Obama campaign spox Jen Psaki, "and it means that you can dress something up but it doesn't change what it is. He was talking pretty clearly about the fact that you can't just call yourself change when you've voted with George Bush 90% of time."

Obama has used the expression before. Last September, around the time McCain said it about Clinton's health care plan.

"I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,' Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday in a telephone interview. "George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."

Why should anyone believe McCain didn't mean it about Hillary Clinton, but Obama meant it about Palin?

And yet, the inaugural conference call of what the McCain-Palin campaign is calling the "Palin Truth Squad" addressed Obama's remark.

And interestingly, the Truth Squad call was full of half-truths and statements that weren't true at all.

Speaking on behalf of the McCain campaign, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift tonight flatly stated that Obama had called Gov. Sarah Palin a pig.

"[T]he formation of the Palin Truth Squad couldn't have happened too soon, as we saw when Senator Obama in Lebanon, Virginia this evening uttered what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our Vice-Presidential nominee Governor Palin to a pig," Swift said.

"Senator Obama owes Governor Palin an apology," she said.

Asked why she was so confident Obama was "comparing" Palin to a pig, she said Palin was the only one of the four candidates on both parties' tickets who wears lipstick.

"She is the only one of the four candidates for president or the only vice presidential candidate who wears lipstick," Swift said. "I mean it seemed to me a very gendered comment."

But, Swift added, if "as part of his apology Senator Obama wants to say no he was calling Senator McCain -- who is a true hero in our country a pig -- then I suppose we could wait en masse for an apology to that as well."

It was pointed out to Gov. Swift that after the line about the pig, Obama had said, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,' it's still gonna stink after eight years.

Swift then suggested that Obama was calling McCain a fish.

"I have a fourth grader and two second graders at home," she said. "I would not teach them that this sort of a high minded debate on policy issues when they are calling people rotten old fish or a pig. In fact it sounds a lot like some of the least intelligent debates on the playground sound like at our elementary school."

A reporter then reminded Swift that in December, McCain was asked about criticisms coming his way from then-opponent Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass, and McCain replied, "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."

Was McCain calling Romney a pig? a reporter asked Swift.

Of course not, Swift said.

It seems to me we should have one rule. If Obama was calling Palin a pig, then McCain was calling Hillary Clinton one. If McCain wasn't, then Obama wasn't.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:17 AM

From Garcia's link

Just to be clear Garcia, you're a liar.

I just posted the article and he has to be careful about what he says. He did infer that she was a pig. I am sorry if that bothers you. There are all types of idioms out there. What if McCain said Obama's campaign was making a Monkey out of the American Voters? Or something of the like.

Spider

09-10-2008, 06:19 AM

Spider

09-10-2008, 06:21 AM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:21 AM

He did infer that she was a pig.

No.

The problem is simply that you aren't familiar with the figure of speech "put lipstick on the pig" which, BTW, Obama has used before.

In any event, Palin directly referred to Obama as "Sambo."

Where is your "outrage" about that (Mr. "I'm not a Republican?")

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:28 AM

No.

The problem is simply that you aren't familiar with the figure of speech "put lipstick on the pig" which, BTW, Obama has used before.

In any event, Palin directly referred to Obama as "Sambo."

Where is your "outrage" about that (Mr. "I'm not a Republican?")

I am familiar with it. What if McCain said that the Obama Campaign was up to Monkey Business? Then what? It's the same thing. Obama has to learn that there are things you can say and things you can't say.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 06:30 AM

I just posted the article and he has to be careful about what he says. He did infer that she was a pig.

It's pretty clear from the context that the "pig" was supposed to represent continued bad GOP policy, not Palin's looks.

frerottenextelway

09-10-2008, 06:32 AM

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:34 AM

It's pretty clear from the context that the "pig" was supposed to represent continued bad GOP policy, not Palin's looks.

He was refering to their campaign policy of which they support. He shouldn't have said it. It was classless. Put the shoe on the other foot and it would be just the same.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:35 AM

I am familiar with it. What if McCain said that the Obama Campaign was up to Monkey Business? Then what? It's the same thing. Obama has to learn that there are things you can say and things you can't say.

No - that would be a figure of speech as well.

However, if we allow your analogy, how is the perceived intent of Obama's remark the equivalent of a racial slur?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:36 AM

Did McCain call Clinton a ''pig'' when he used the exact same phrase about her health care plan late last year? It's ridiculous - and a lie - sorry if that bothers you.

To say nothing of McCain's remarks about Chelsea Clinton.

I don't hear Garcia scolding McCain and advising him to be careful what he says on that one.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:36 AM

Did McCain call Clinton a ''pig'' when he used the exact same phrase about her health care plan late last year? It's ridiculous - and a lie - sorry if that bothers you.

If it's a lie then why did you bring it up?

Back to Obama:

If the shoe was on the other foot you'd wage a jihad on everyone you could get to listen. Just admit that Obama shouldn't have said it.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:37 AM

No - that would be a figure of speech as well.

However, if we allow your analogy, how is the perceived intent of Obama's remark the equivalent of a racial slur?

Either way it's disrespectful. It's offensive.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 06:38 AM

I think it was meant to be a jab at Pailn, but i also think it was a set up.
If mcCain complains he has to deal with the comment he made about Chelsea years ago, which was a shrewd tactic by obama, but! It also could backfire because of the "hockey mom alliance" that has formed and is now running full steam. They wont care about that, and will attack obama where it hurts.
On a side note, it also shows clearly that obama is lost when it comes to defeating this repub ticket. The last person his comments should be aimed at are at palin. It shows a lack of confidence which is his glaring weakness lately. It also shows that SHE is on HIS mind and he clealy does not know how to handle her. He shouldnt be talking about her at all! His comments should be soley directed at McCain, his opposition in this race, and not the "hockey mom". He should treat her for what she is, and he would have much better success. Bidens comments yesterday were pretty bad too.
I think if these guys just left her alone, and went after McCain they would have much better success at getting back into this race.

Again, regardless of who you support or like, the guy/girl who put Palin on the ticket was brilliant. You cant write better drama for TV viewers and they just eat it up! This lady is managing to totally take away all of the heat away from McCain, and direct it to her, and her "britney spears", minor, crap that is to a average viewer, just fun to talk about and watch and discuss and gossip, and shoot the $s!t about, meanwhile McCain just sits back and cruises.
On the other side, obama/biden is just falling right into the trap. instead of attacking the real threat, hes getting caught up in this crap , and being made to look like the mean spirited guys who dislike women. (again the curse of hillary!)
I have been saying this from the moment she was announced, but Palin was a brilliant pick, (NOT BECAUSE SHES QUALIFIED), and so far the DEms are just sinking because of it.
it has nothing to do with policy, it has to do with american culture and the media, and how they form public opinion.
Its amazing, really...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:38 AM

Just admit that Obama shouldn't have said it.

Just admit that you are confusing a figure of speech with a personal slur.

Spider

09-10-2008, 06:38 AM

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:39 AM

Just admit that you are confusing a figure of speech with a personal slur.

It can be the same. These aren't mutually exclusive.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 06:39 AM

He was refering to their campaign policy of which they support. He shouldn't have said it. It was classless. Put the shoe on the other foot and it would be just the same.

Um, no. He's saying their policy stinks using a funny quote. The Republicans can and do the same sort of thing all the time. What I have issue is when they try to make a funny comment using lies and/or half-truths. Which Obama did not do here.

Spider

09-10-2008, 06:39 AM

I think it was meant to be a jab at Pailn, but i also think it was a set up.
If mcCain complains he has to deal with the comment he made about Chelsea years ago, which was a shrewd tactic by obama, but! It also could backfire because of the "hockey mom alliance" that has formed and is now running full steam. They wont care about that, and will attack obama where it hurts.
On a side note, it also shows clearly that obama is lost when it comes to defeating this repub ticket. The last person his comments should be aimed at are at palin. It shows a lack of confidence which is his glaring weakness lately. It also shows that SHE is on HIS mind and he clealy does not know how to handle her. He shouldnt be talking about her at all! His comments should be soley directed at McCain, his opposition in this race, and not the "hockey mom". He should treat her for what she is, and he would have much better success. Bidens comments yesterday were pretty bad too.
I think if these guys just left her alone, and went after McCain they would have much better success at getting back into this race.

Again, regardless of who you support or like, the guy/girl who put Palin on the ticket was brilliant. You cant write better drama for TV viewers and they just eat it up! This lady is managing to totally take away all of the heat away from McCain, and direct it to her, and her "britney spears", minor, crap that is to a average viewer, just fun to talk about and watch and discuss and gossip, and shoot the $s!t about, meanwhile McCain just sits back and cruises.
On the other side, obama/biden is just falling right into the trap. instead of attacking the real threat, hes getting caught up in this crap , and being made to look like the mean spirited guys who dislikes women. (agian the curse of hillary!)
I have been saying this from the moment she was announced, but Palin was a brilliant pick, (NOT BECAUSE SHES QUALIFIED), and so far the DEms are just sinking because of it.
it has nothing to do with policy, it has to do with american culture and the media, and how they form public opinion.
Its amazing, really...

is this really your own opinion ?

frerottenextelway

09-10-2008, 06:41 AM

If it's a lie then why did you bring it up?

Back to Obama:

If the shoe was on the other foot you'd wage a jihad on everyone you could get to listen. Just admit that Obama shouldn't have said it.

Why couldn't you answer the question Garcia? And your question makes no sense, btw.

I said above that Obama's comment was likely a bait. I hear there are 527's coming out and McCain's reaction will pave the way to some really atrocious McCain comments of the past to be aired in those.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:41 AM

Either way it's disrespectful. It's offensive.

No - it's just a comprehension problem on your part.

That is, you are confusing a figure of speech with a personal insult.

This is obvious to anyone who understands the meaning and the use of the figure of speech in question.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:45 AM

No - it's just a comprehension problem on your part.

That is, you are confusing a figure of speech with a personal insult.

This is obvious to anyone who understands the meaning and the use of the figure of speech in question.

A figure of speech can be an insult. He called them and their ideas pigs and pigs with lipstick. It's a terrible thing to say. It's classless.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 06:50 AM

A figure of speech can be an insult. He called them and their ideas pigs and pigs with lipstick. It's a terrible thing to say. It's classless.

No, he only called their IDEAS pigs. You are inferring them personally when it isn't implied. In any case, it isn't classless. It's true. It's also the sort of hyperbole politicians on both sides use when addressing supporters. I don't care when the Republicans do it, as long as they don't use lies doing it (i.e. the constant claim that Obama is going to raise everyones taxes).

Did you think it was classy when Guilliani and Palin condescended Obama's work as a community organizer?

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 06:52 AM

Yep.

Except for the "Obama called McCain and Palin 'pigs'" part.

Looks like Garcia doesn't understand what a "figure of speech" is.

There's a lot he doesn't understand.

The association of "lipstick on a pig" fits McCain and Palin to a "T". Their plate of BS dressed as a piece of tenderloin is being served and consumed by those who have yet to see "the pig" for what it is. Dress it as you wish, a pig is still a pig!

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 06:54 AM

No, he only called their IDEAS pigs. You are inferring them personally when it isn't implied. In any case, it isn't classless. It's true. It's also the sort of hyperbole politicians on both sides use when addressing supporters. I don't care when the Republicans do it, as long as they don't use lies doing it (i.e. the constant claim that Obama is going to raise everyones taxes).

Did you think it was classy when Guilliani and Palin condescended Obama's work as a community organizer?

So they don't personally believe in their ideas? Come on.

Obama is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not income tax, but his other tax ideas on businesses and capital gains is raising everyone's taxes. All we need to do is scrap the tax code and create a new by which everyone pays the same percentage. It's fair.

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 06:54 AM

Interesting. I didn't think "Lipstick" Palin would turn out to be a whiner. Guess I was wrong.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 06:55 AM

is this really your own opinion ?

I dont look at this "race" the way to do. You have a CLEAR alliegence to obama. You are a obama supporter for many reasons. Thats good.
I am not allied to a single guy yet, and i may not ever be.

To me, watching this thing from the balcony, is just priceless though.
I am enjoying it, as are millions of americans.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:57 AM

I am enjoying it, as are millions of americans.

You have no idea how disturbing that is.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:00 AM

There's a lot he doesn't understand.

The association of "lipstick on a pig" fits McCain and Palin to a "T". Their plate of BS dressed as a piece of tenderloin is being served and consumed by those who have yet to see "the pig" for what it is. Dress it as you wish, a pig is still a pig!

QFT.

In any event, I didn't see Mr. "I'm not a Republican" express any outrage over McCain's remarks about Chelsea Clinton, did you?

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 07:04 AM

QFT.

In any event, I didn't see Mr. "I'm not a Republican" express any outrage over McCain's remarks about Chelsea Clinton, did you?

I don't know anything about his remarks about Chelsea. If he called her names it's classless. Either way it doesn't justify Obama infering that McCain and Palin are pigs.

Spider

09-10-2008, 07:06 AM

I dont look at this "race" the way to do. You have a CLEAR alliegence to obama. You are a obama supporter for many reasons. Thats good.
I am not allied to a single guy yet, and i may not ever be.

To me, watching this thing from the balcony, is just priceless though.
I am enjoying it, as are millions of americans.

Fair enough , but there will be no backfire , not over this anyway , I wasnt even going ot give this issue a second thought , if anyone saw the speech and came up with Obama calling Palin a pig , should not be voting , but taking a course in comprehension in special ed , but you post caught my eye , i was just wondering how you came up with that over a story like this

Spider

09-10-2008, 07:07 AM

I don't know anything about his remarks about Chelsea. If he called her names it's classless. Either way it doesn't justify Obama infering that McCain and Palin are pigs.

can you show me where Obama called Palin a pig ?

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 07:08 AM

I don't know anything about his remarks about Chelsea. If he called her names it's classless. Either way it doesn't justify Obama infering that McCain and Palin are pigs.

Let me repeat my question: Were Palin's and Guillani's denegrating remarks about Obama's time as a community organizer classy? You dodged that question before.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 07:09 AM

QFT.

In any event, I didn't see Mr. "I'm not a Republican" express any outrage over McCain's remarks about Chelsea Clinton, did you?

Their belief of "what's good for the goose, is'nt good for the gander" is another figure of speech which clearly defines McCain and "What's her face" (I call her that because she's an unknown/ err: just another pretty face).

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 07:09 AM

Let me repeat my question: Were Palin's and Guillani's denegrating remarks about Obama's time as a community organizer classy? You dodged that question before.

Never heard it. Did they call him a pig?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:09 AM

I don't know anything about his remarks about Chelsea.

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Either way it doesn't justify Obama infering that McCain and Palin are pigs.

Once again, you are trying to point to an "inference" (I believe "implication" or "insinuation" is the word you are looking for) where there is only a figure of speech.

According to your logic, if I say "you're just playing devil's advocate, Garcia" I am calling you a devil.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 07:10 AM

Either way it doesn't justify Obama infering that McCain and Palin are pigs.

He did not infer they were pigs. He infered that their policies are bad, and they (McCain and Palin) were merely trying to repackage the same bad policies of the last eight years. Pigs=their policies. What is so hard to understand here?

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 07:10 AM

BTW, nice thread title GB. The Fox News crew would give you a pat on the head for that one, young padawan.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 07:10 AM

Why doesn't that surprise me?

Once again, you are trying to point to an "inference" (I believe "implication" or "insinuation" is the word you are looking for) where there is only a figure of speech.

According to your logic, if I say "you're just playing devil's advocate, Garcia" I am calling you a devil.

It's not the same.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:11 AM

Their belief of "what's good for the goose, is'nt good for the gander" is another figure of speech which clearly defines McCain and "What's her face" (I call her that because she's an unknown/ err: just another pretty face).

Ha! :yep:

You're on a roll this morning!

Spider

09-10-2008, 07:11 AM

He did not infer they were pigs. He infered that their policies are bad, and they (McCain and Palin) were merely trying to repackage the same bad policies of the last eight years. Pigs=their policies. What is so hard to understand here?

LOL Garcia gets it , he is just being a **** .........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:11 AM

It's not the same.

Why not?

socalorado

09-10-2008, 07:18 AM

You have no idea how disturbing that is.

Thaats because you are clearly a very disturbed individual when it comes to politcs in america. CLEALY you are very angry. Thats just plain obvious to anyone who posts here. Your anger is aimed at most repubs, which is to you, a symptom of the problem, and you voice your opinion of the issues like anyone else. Its ok to voice your opinion, but everyone knows that you are emotionally charged by this stuff. Thats your situation. Its totally ok,bro.
Some of the others here are not emotionally caught up in any of this.

Thats the point to what the repubs are doing right now.
Using emotion, or playing off of americans emotions to get a specific outcome.

Face it, everytime an american women (regardless of race), hears a politician say that a woman politician is a pig with lipstick, they immediately make a subliminal decision that regardless of who it was, or what it was about, the person saying it is shed in a negative light.
You can say that they are stupid or sheep, but it doesnt matter cause those are still people who vote!

How long till we actually vote?

Meanwhile instead of adding to his base, obama is playing these stupid games, which play right into the hands of the other side.
Instead of attacking his REAL opponent, hes busy making these cheesdick responses, which are backfiring on him.
Hes on O'Liely looking flustered and lost, and getting all emotional, and not having a response to O'liely's loaded questions, but it doesnt matter cause hes the one who's there flustered. Its less than 2 months away(?) from voting, and obama is still answering questions about his weird aquaintances.
obama shouldnt, at this point, even be there talking about that crap!
Right!?!?!?
Should'nt he be surging towards the finish line?
Instead hes thinking about a "hockey mom" and her lipstick color.
Hes getting played by the media and the culture. He should forget about her, and go after the real threat, McCain. He would have much better success.

This culture loves their "messiahs", but they know where the hammer and nails are too, bro.

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 07:26 AM

Thaats because you are clearly a very disturbed individual when it comes to politcs in america. CLEALY you are very angry. Thats just plain obvious to anyone who posts here. Your anger is aimed at most repubs, which is to you, a symptom of the problem, and you voice your opinion of the issues like anyone else. Its ok to voice your opinion, but everyone knows that you are emotionally charged by this stuff. Thats your situation. Its totally ok,bro.
Some of the others here are not emotionally caught up in any of this.

Thats the point to what the repubs are doing right now.
Using emotion, or playing off of americans emotions to get a specific outcome.

Face it, everytime an american women (regardless of race), hears a politician say that a woman politician is a pig with lipstick, they immediately make a subliminal decision that regardless of who it was, or what it was about, the person saying it is shed in a negative light.
You can say that they are stupid or sheep, but it doesnt matter cause those are still people who vote!

How long till we actually vote?

Meanwhile instead of adding to his base, obama is playing these stupid games, which play right into the hands of the other side.
Instead of attacking his REAL opponent, hes busy making these cheesdick responses, which are backfiring on him.
Hes on O'Liely looking flustered and lost, and getting all emotional, and not having a response to O'liely's loaded questions, but it doesnt matter cause hes the one who's there flustered. Its less than 2 months away(?) from voting, and obama is still answering questions about his weird aquaintances.
obama shouldnt, at this point, even be there talking about that crap!
Right!?!?!?
Should'nt he be surging towards the finish line?
Instead hes thinking about a "hockey mom" and her lipstick color.
Hes getting played by the media and the culture. He should forget about her, and go after the real threat, McCain. He would have much better success.

This culture loves their "messiahs", but they know where the hammer and nails are too, bro.

You've got to be a Republican. Only Republicans have the innate talent for seeing things exactly backwards from the way they really are.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:28 AM

Thaats because you are clearly a very disturbed individual when it comes to politcs in america.

Yeah - I'm disturbed by unthinking, semi-literate half-wits like you who see politics in the same terms as "American Idol" or "Survivor."

Just more entertainment or infotainment served up for you and your fellow Romans with the 'balcony' seats at the Colosseum.

CLEALY you are very angry.

Anyone who is NOT angry about the damage Bush and his criminal party have done to this country over the last eight years is an apathetic, socially and morally retarded waste of space who doesn't deserve to avail himself of the rights and freedoms for which good men died to ensure him.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 07:29 AM

Yeah - I'm disturbed by unthinking, semi-literate half-wits like you who see politics in the same terms as "American Idol" or "Survivor." .

There you go again selling your ideas.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:31 AM

There you go again selling your ideas.

There you go again advertising your unfathomable ignorance and moral bankruptcy.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 07:32 AM

Anyone who is NOT angry about the damage Bush and his criminal party have done to this country over the last eight years is an apathetic, socially and morally retarded waste of space who doesn't deserve to avail himself of the rights and freedoms for which good men died to ensure him.

We need billboards around the country with that statement. I'll chip in $$$$ for the first few.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 07:38 AM

There you go again advertising your unfathomable ignorance and moral bankruptcy.

It's hard to fathom that he actually attended college. Well maybe that's all he did. ATTENDED! I know another Hokie who isn't as f-ing clueless as GB. Maybe because she paid attention, in lieu of just being present.

GB-wasting the worlds' oxygen one breath at a time.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 07:42 AM

There you go again advertising your unfathomable ignorance and moral bankruptcy.

Like I said. You can't sell your ideas.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:43 AM

It's hard to fathom that he actually attended college. Well maybe that's all he did. ATTENDED!

Just like his guy in the WH, no doubt. ;)

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:44 AM

Like I said. You can't sell your ideas.

People like you don't buy ideas - they buy personalities.

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 07:45 AM

It's hard to fathom that he actually attended college. Well maybe that's all he did. ATTENDED! I know another Hokie who isn't as f-ing clueless as GB. Maybe because she paid attention, in lieu of just being present.

GB-wasting the worlds' oxygen one breath at a time.

Maybe he lacked the Harvard JD to resort to namecalling that is unacceptable for 12 year olds. I really want a president who will break down and cry, "You stink, you are a pig, you lie, you smell." I think that hate is a symptom of self loathing. At least in public, Obama has not degenerated to the point of resorting to swear words, but his supporters sure are a very high class of skilled communicators. Are so many Americans really going to decide the outcome of so many issues by who can bully the other side better?

socalorado

09-10-2008, 07:46 AM

Yeah - I'm disturbed by unthinking, semi-literate half-wits like you who see politics in the same terms as "American Idol" or "Survivor."

Just more entertainment or infotainment served up for you and your fellow Romans with the 'balcony' seats at the Colosseum.

Anyone who is NOT angry about the damage Bush and his criminal party have done to this country over the last eight years is an apathetic, socially and morally retarded waste of space who doesn't deserve to avail himself of the rights and freedoms for which good men died to ensure him.

Man, bro. You a solid contributor here and on the football boards, but its really funny to constantly read the emotionally fueled rants directed at me.
I like to think i am so informed that i can actually see and explain IMHO whats going on in regards to obama and this race. Or vice versa with McCain.
I DONT AGREE with these tactics, but thats what i see, its still happening.
Its entertainment cause that exactly what "OUR" media wants it to be. CNN, FOX, ABC, internet bloggers, and photshoppers UNITE!
That what they want, and thats what they are doing. I think its sad as well, but its brilliant in that someone came up with this Palin idea, and you have to give them "britney spear credit" because its working. I am not trying to make fun of you or say "HAHA", but it is what it is.
obama is falling right into the the trap.
To win this thing, hes gotta get off of "lipstick" controversies, and "his muslim faith er, oh nevermind" crap, or endless flustered responses to O'Liely's baiting and get his @$$ in gear!
That is EXACTLY what the republican party wants right now from obama.
A confused guy, whos caught up in palins panties.

Easy counsiler, easy.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 07:49 AM

Maybe he lacked the Harvard JD to resort to namecalling that is unacceptable for 12 year olds. I really want a president who will break down and cry, "You stink, you are a pig, you lie, you smell." I think that hate is a symptom of self loathing. At least in public, Obama has not degenerated to the point of resorting to swear words, but his supporters sure are a very high class of skilled communicators. Are so many Americans really going to decide the outcome of so many issues by who can bully the other side better?

Well pardon my french, Mr. "my **** doesn't stink". But you can take your "holier than thou" attitude and shove it up your "proverbial ass".

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 07:56 AM

People like you don't buy ideas - they buy personalities.

That just doesn't make any sense. In the context of posting on this board, you can't sell it. None of you can. Because you lack the ability to NOT insult people with name calling. I've done it before, but it's not the way to go about it.

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:01 AM

Shes still a MILF or sould I say PILF either way I'd tap it.

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:03 AM

Being that pigs have a similar color as a white person's skin tone then we probably need to classify this as racists. Gawd knows if it were the other way we certainly would.

So there you have it...Not only anti-American snuggle buddy with Bill Ayers but a racist. Man you Dems will not only put up with but fully support anything. Shameful. Hilarious!

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:04 AM

Shes still a MILF or sould I say PILF either way I'd tap it.

I get 1 st dibs

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:05 AM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 08:05 AM

Being that pigs have a similar color as a white person's skin tone then we probably need to classify this as racists.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Funniest post on the Mane ever!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:09 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Funniest post on the Mane ever!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Problem is not all pigs do ;D some are black , brown , white , black an white

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:10 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Funniest post on the Mane ever!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

See that is exactly how clever that Obama is. Slipping in subtle little racial insensitivities like that. I guess that is the kind of change we have to now believe in. ;D

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:13 AM

Problem is not all pigs do ;D some are black , brown , white , black an white

True but there are also black, brown, red and albino colored animals out there of another species that McCain could never reference when talking about Obama.

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:15 AM

True but there are also black, brown, red and albino colored animals out there of another species that McCain could never reference when talking about Obama.

LOL , so Obama is racist against white pig also ;D
some of the things you can learn on the mane ROFL!

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:16 AM

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:17 AM

LOL , so Obama is racist against white pig also ;D
some of the things you can learn on the mane ROFL!

Well Im not racist I love bacon.

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:19 AM

Well Im not racist I love bacon.

Ha! I knew it , you are a rasict against ham and sausage ....well after survivor Island , Sausage thing is understandable

ScottXray

09-10-2008, 08:21 AM

I just posted the article and he has to be careful about what he says. He did infer that she was a pig. I am sorry if that bothers you. There are all types of idioms out there. What if McCain said Obama's campaign was making a Monkey out of the American Voters? Or something of the like.

HE didn't infer anything. The crowd did the inferring, maybe. It is a common idiom and he had used it before Palins nomination, as well as McCain using it last October.

The fact that you titled the Thread as you did shows where you and the McCain campaign are coming from. Lets not talk about the Issues that face our country , lets turn this into a lie and smear campaign. Go ahead and kiss that pig.

Same old GOP tactics.

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:22 AM

Seems to me the dems are in full panic mode over Palin. Whats is really funny is they are so busy attempting to discredit her McCain is getting a free ride currently in the press while Obama is getting measured up against the Repub vp.

Funny isn't it? Palin is working like a good lead blocking fullback. The Dems are so confused they don't even know who they are running against at the top of the ticket.

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:23 AM

Funny isn't it? Palin is working like a good lead blocking fullback. The Dems are so confused they don't even know who they are running against at the top of the ticket.

not so confused that we didnt expose Hotrod as a man that is against Ham

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:24 AM

Seems to me the dems are in full panic mode over Palin. Whats is really funny is they are so busy attempting to discredit her McCain is getting a free ride currently in the press while Obama is getting measured up against the Repub vp.
Just like i said it would happen.
Now he has to address it, deny what it meant, and attempt damage control.
All for a remark he could have just not said at all.
Happening Now: Obama says 'enough is enough' (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/10/happening-now-obama-says-enough-is-enough/)
Posted: 10:43 AM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-ticker-producer-alexander-mooney/)
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(CNN) — Barack Obama said Wednesday 'enough is enough' after nearly a day of McCain campaign claims his 'lipstick on a pig' comment was a sexist attack leveled at GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin, and accused the Arizona senator's presidential campaign of engaging in "swift boat politics."
"Spare me the phony outrage. Spare me the phony knee talk about change," Obama said at the start of an education event in Virginia. "We have real problems in this country right now. The American people are looking to us for answers, not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing.
"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics," he also said. "Enough is enough."
Obama's heated response came after the McCain campaign said the Illinois senator owes Palin an apology for invoking an old adage on the campaign trail Tuesday: "That's not change," Obama said, saying John McCain’s policy views were similar to President Bush’s. "That's just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
McCain's campaign said Obama's remarks were offensive and a slap at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin — despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton's.
Within minutes, the McCain campaign announced a conference call focused on the remark, which they said was a deliberate reference to Palin's line: "You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:26 AM

Meanwhile

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/mccain%E2%80%99s-new-edge-among-independents/

McCain’s new edge among Independents (http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/09/mccain%e2%80%99s-new-edge-among-independents/)

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John P. Avlon
Author, Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics
John McCain has opened up a 15-point lead among independents, according to a new Gallup Poll – and Barack Obama has a problem.
This is a decisive shift that builds off McCain’s historic brand-name credibility with Independent voters. McCain was their favorite political figure for most of this decade. He fought the Karl Rove play-to-the-base politics on the campaign trail in 2000. And he fought with Tom Delay’s conservative congress which was kicked out in 2006 after unprecedented pork barrel spending and indictments for corruption.
But Independents’ identification with John McCain suffered greatly when he began his latest presidential campaign by running as the Republican establishment candidate.
Independents and centrists voters have been deeply alienated by the Bush administration – after a centrist campaign as a “compassionate conservative,” the Bushies governed as conservative partisans. Where most Independents and centrists can be described as fiscally conservative and socially liberal – the Bush administration has been the opposite: fiscally liberal and socially conservative.

McCain’s political embrace of the Bush administration in the primaries – and his rapprochement with Jerry Falwell and others who McCain famously described as “agents of intolerance” in 2000 – drove a wedge between McCain and many Independents. A surprising number of the self-described Obama Republicans who rallied around the Democrat’s candidacy this spring were former McCain supporters from 2000.
But this new Gallup poll shows McCain getting his groove back with Independents in a big way – 52% to 37% - a 15-point bump since the convention. Dig deeper into the numbers and you’ll see that self-described “conservative Democrats” – a centrist demographic – have seen their support for McCain jump from 15% to 25% since the convention. Those are the crossover votes that also signal shifting support from swing voters – it is a sign of the race shifting in McCain’s favor.
After all, Independents are now the largest and fastest growing segment of the American electorate – with the rank and file Republicans and Democrats predictably polarized, it’s the independents that will determine the winners in the swing states and this election.
And for every pundit and political scientist whoever said that VP picks don’t matter this side of Lyndon Johnson, bite your tongue. The style, if not the substance (we’ll begin to know more after her first interview later this week) of Sarah Palin has helped shift the race.
Palin shook up assumptions about the GOP (doesn’t look a thing like Dick Cheney). And her speech avoided almost any mention of the right wing social issues which are a wedge between her and most independents’ political beliefs.
Instead Palin and McCain sang from the same hymnal at the Republican Convention: all fiscal conservative, anti-corruption reformer, with a strong dose of anti-establishment maverick thrown in. McCain’s own biography of personal courage in wartime – and his associated strength on national security issues – all combine to make a compelling message for independents. And they are responding.
In a posting tomorrow morning, I’ll detail how Barack Obama can reverse this trend to regain the post-partisan edge and Independents’ excitement which helped propel him to the nomination.

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:26 AM

not so confused that we didnt expose Hotrod as a man that is against Ham

I'm man enought to admit I dont really care for ham. Now pork chops on the barbie are something that gets me all hot and bothered.

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 08:27 AM

Well pardon my french, Mr. "my **** doesn't stink". But you can take your "holier than thou" attitude and shove it up your "proverbial ass".

Again you demonstrate the effort it takes for Obama supporters to make cognitive decisions. This is another indicator that Obama will loose, they are not informed on the issues, and mask their real reason for why they are on the Obama bandwagon. Is this is the spirit of "Change" we need?

Typcial rhetoric is that the country is in bad shape due to George Bush; but that is just not reality. Conditions are not as bad as Obama wants you to believe. Look around, most Americans supporting Obama are living on a higher standard than thier parents- they just want more and they want it now. I do not see more old cars, less people at the gym, less cell phones, less people at the pumps, less people in the restaurants.

I do see more home foreclosures, but think long time democrats for trying to make money while producing no viable product. While his supporters rant about the economy, Obama buddies up to millionaire Fannie Mae wrecker Jim Johnson. Which 3 democrats actually took money from the Keating 5 almost 20 years ago over home loan fraud? Is that Claire Lehman now organizing for Obama? Who are Obama's corporate backers? Goldman Sachs & Co, Lehman Bros, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, UBS AG, Google, and media mogul Summer Redstone (MTV, Paramount, American Amusements, BET, CBS, and Viacom). What is it that they want?
http://theprolific.com/2008/08/meet-obamas-corporate-backers/
So when Obama loaded his crowd in Germany with free beer, it problby wasn't the money you donated for "Change We Need." Do we really need the intellectual brain trust that created the home mortgage scandal to guide our country? They have their money- where is yours?

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:28 AM

Just like i said it would happen.
Now he has to address it, deny what it meant, and attempt damage control.
All for a remark he could have just not said at all.
Happening Now: Obama says 'enough is enough' (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/10/happening-now-obama-says-enough-is-enough/)
Posted: 10:43 AM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-ticker-producer-alexander-mooney/)
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(CNN) — Barack Obama said Wednesday 'enough is enough' after nearly a day of McCain campaign claims his 'lipstick on a pig' comment was a sexist attack leveled at GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin, and accused the Arizona senator's presidential campaign of engaging in "swift boat politics."
"Spare me the phony outrage. Spare me the phony knee talk about change," Obama said at the start of an education event in Virginia. "We have real problems in this country right now. The American people are looking to us for answers, not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing.
"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics," he also said. "Enough is enough."
Obama's heated response came after the McCain campaign said the Illinois senator owes Palin an apology for invoking an old adage on the campaign trail Tuesday: "That's not change," Obama said, saying John McCain’s policy views were similar to President Bush’s. "That's just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
McCain's campaign said Obama's remarks were offensive and a slap at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin — despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton's.
Within minutes, the McCain campaign announced a conference call focused on the remark, which they said was a deliberate reference to Palin's line: "You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."

reread that ....... Saying that remark , McCain answering back , then Obama lowers the boom ...... in a way Obama is painting the McCain camp as a PC camp ....

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 08:28 AM

Just like i said it would happen.
Now he has to address it, deny what it meant, and attempt damage control.
All for a remark he could have just not said at all.
Happening Now: Obama says 'enough is enough' (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/10/happening-now-obama-says-enough-is-enough/)
Posted: 10:43 AM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/cnn-ticker-producer-alexander-mooney/)
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(CNN) — Barack Obama said Wednesday 'enough is enough' after nearly a day of McCain campaign claims his 'lipstick on a pig' comment was a sexist attack leveled at GOP VP candidate Sarah Palin, and accused the Arizona senator's presidential campaign of engaging in "swift boat politics."
"Spare me the phony outrage. Spare me the phony knee talk about change," Obama said at the start of an education event in Virginia. "We have real problems in this country right now. The American people are looking to us for answers, not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing.
"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and swift boat politics," he also said. "Enough is enough."
Obama's heated response came after the McCain campaign said the Illinois senator owes Palin an apology for invoking an old adage on the campaign trail Tuesday: "That's not change," Obama said, saying John McCain’s policy views were similar to President Bush’s. "That's just calling something the same thing something different. You know you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."
McCain's campaign said Obama's remarks were offensive and a slap at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin — despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton's.
Within minutes, the McCain campaign announced a conference call focused on the remark, which they said was a deliberate reference to Palin's line: "You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."

Where do you see him denying what it meant. It meant exactly what it's supposed to mean: The republicans are attempting to shine another turd and sell it to the American public.

All the "lipstick in the world" wont disguise their PIG!

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:30 AM

Reuters: McCain Surge Attributable To “White Women Voters” (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/09/reuters-mccain-surge-attributable-to-white-women-voters/)

By Uppity Woman (http://javascript<b></b>:;)http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=50479f92fd7cdc36703d70bcf37 bf49cclose (http://javascript<b></b>:;)Author: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
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Hey Barack! It’s the Women, stupid!
Too late! We already know what you are.
But then, like Donna Brazile said, you don’t need us.
Remember when you made another Obama Fantasy Remark about how you were SURE you could get all the Hillary Clinton voters to vote for you? Bzzzzzzzz! Wrong!
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/snobbybastard.jpg?w=128 (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/snobbybastard.jpg)
Remember how you sent your “surrogates” out to bash Hillary left and right–and enjoyed every second of it?
Remember telling her she’s “likeable enough”?
Remember your sicko comment about her having ‘Periodic moments”? Remember Annie Oakley?
Remember when you called that reporter Sweetie? Remember when you offered a female pharmacist a kiss to wear your button? And offered to get down on your knees?
We do!
“99 Problems And A Bitch Isn’t One of Them“? Oooooooooops! Guess again! Lotsa bitches are your problem now. See how Ludacris that is? Chuckle….chuckle….
Remember when your online sycophants ran us out of forums, and called us all kinds of filthy despicable names that can’t be written here without embarrassment? Remember? We do!
See how well that’s working out for you, woman-hater. But please tell them to keep it up! It’s growing our numbers! All of you are trapped in your own irony! Thanks!
We got slammed with the Race Card day and night, Barack. By your supporters, by your surrogates, and by YOU. 

The S word is the new R word. Or as Tina Fey warned, Bitch is the new Black. How’s it feel? Irony, Barack. Irony.WASHINGTON (Reuters) (http://news.aol.com/article/poll-shows-big-shift-to-mccain-among/166415?cid=3272) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain has gained huge support and now leads Democrat Barack Obama among white women voters since naming Sarah Palin as his running mate, according to a survey published on Tuesday.

The Washington Post/ABC News poll found that much of McCain’s surge in the polls since the Republican National Convention is attributable to the shift in support among white women.
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/th_howard-deanfinger-eye-paws.jpg?w=78 (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/th_howard-deanfinger-eye-paws.jpg)How about you, Howard? How ya feeling, guy? I can’t tell you how much we appreciated your revoltingly smug silence during the figurative Sharia burning of Hillary. It spoke volumes about you, fella. If you have to go back to being a doctor in January, please do us one big favor: Don’t practice on women again. Thanks!
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/th_brazilethe-meanie1.jpg?w=114 (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/th_brazilethe-meanie1.jpg)Yo, Donna! How ya doing, girl? How’s that plan to tell us to all go to hell coming along? You know, all those unnecessary Democrats from the base who were in your way? People over 50? Seniors? Bitter hicks with guns? White Women? How’s that working out for you now, Donna? In a sense, we should all be grateful for your mouth.

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/1-1-obamapelosi1.jpg?w=300 (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/1-1-obamapelosi1.jpg)Nancy, Nancy, Nancy!
Any one of us who has spent plenty of quality time in Corporate America recognizes you.
You’re the woman who kneecaps her way to just below the top and then kicks the ladder out from under you so that you don’t have any of the Girly competition nipping at your heels while you finger your pearls. Most of us were usually waiting for women like you to stand near a corporate hole. One mistake and we all threw you in your own hole and then went out to lunch and celebrated. You are our Clarence Thomas, aren’t you, girl?

CNN’s Mr. Magoo, Bill Schneider: Remember when you kept giving us “four weeks” to move onto the next “Phase of grief”? Or how you kept saying we would all fall in line? How about your constant Magoo cracks about how there just aren’t that many of us? How ya doing? We aren’t grieving or “Sulking,” you half-assed fool. We are pissed off. And we Do. Not. Want. Barack. Obama. There’s a huge difference. Just so you know. Let me help refresh your ignorant memory. Back In early July, you, Mr. Magoo, said (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/07/05/the-number-is-growing-do-not-want-barack-obama/):These things always take time to heal,” said Bill Schneider, CNN senior political analyst. “I think Clinton’s supporters are waiting to see if Sen. Obama will pick her as vice president. That would certainly be very healing to them.

…and then you said….If he doesn’t pick her, a later stage of grief is depression and then acceptance,” Schneider said. “In the end I expect Clinton supporters will accept Obama, because they will listen to Sen. Clinton, who has said the stakes are too high for Democrats to sulk.”
Do yourself a favor, Mr. Magoo. Go do something else for a living. You are looking like a fool here. And as I said back then, we never wanted Hillary to be Barky’s Bridesmaid. Many of us have seen enough of the mediocre man hiring on the superior woman to make him look good while he prances around and takes credit.
If Cable News networks like yours hadn’t buried some very unsavory details about Barack Obama, his affiliations, his Plans, the caucus fraud, and the odd redistribution of delegate numbers in certain districts, the Democratic Party would have a winning ticket today.
Maybe if you and your network had reminded people that plenty of superdelegates voted against the will of their districts, we would have a winning ticket today.
Maybe if you and your network hadn’t continually tried to force Hillary Clinton to get out of a race that was none of your damned business as “reporters,” we would have a winning ticket today. I hold you responsible. Maybe next time, your network will stick to your real job of reporting instead of tying to fake out America into picking Presidents you want. MSNBC got the point recently, albeit too late. You will too.
The interesting ( and fun!) thing here is all of these Hillary bashing pigs are now crippled with the pick of Sarah Palin as John McCain’s VP. It’s all just too close to the media murder of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and the Republicans have learned well. Let’s face it: As a party, they have always been smarter than us. They know now that these bashers all have to be careful of looking obvious. Not that they didn’t already look obvious to us women who watched things unfold. So keep it up CNN, MSNBC! We appreciate you trying to derail Sarah. We appreciate your questioning whether being a VP is “right” for a woman with kids–especially considering Barack Obama is only home on weekends and is therefore one heck of a lousy father. Imagine him sacrificing his family for his political career!!! Awful! Just awful! We appreciate your worrying about “vetting” Sarah. You should talk! Caught in your own irony, once again.
Barack! Keep in touch with your vibrating cell phone, Sweetie! We’re brushing you right off our shoulders, man!
……

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:31 AM

Where do you see him denying what it meant. It meant exactly what it's supposed to mean: The republicans are attempting to shine another turd and sell it to the American public.

All the "lipstick in the world" wont disguise their PIG!

It doesnt matter what i think, it matters with the women voters bro.
Thats what THEY think.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 08:31 AM

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:34 AM

This was well done by the Obama camp... the only people that will be "Outraged" by this (dman, MO, etc) won't vote for him anyways. The rest of the population will either say whatever or good for him.

Actually I think it shows the Obama camp has lost its focus. They better circle the wagons and reload or they are in trouble.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 08:35 AM

Actually I think it shows the Obama camp has lost its focus. They better circle the wagons and reload or they are in trouble.

Sorry boss but that is wishful thinking... This is not going to go well for the hardcore Repubs.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 08:35 AM

If Obama would just shutup he'd have this election in the bag.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 08:36 AM

Actually I think it shows the Obama camp has lost its focus. They better circle the wagons and reload or they are in trouble.

Au contraire' mon frere'!

The Obama camp has actually hit the nail square on the head. The Republicans are once again selling **** wrapped in pretty paper.

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 08:36 AM

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:37 AM

This was well done by the Obama camp... the only people that will be "Outraged" by this (dman, MO, etc) won't vote for him anyways. The rest of the population will either say whatever or good for him.

You are certainly underestimating the power of scorned middle of the road women come election time. Seems the Obama camp thankfully doing the same. This is an election that only the Dems could lose and they are doing everything in their power to do exactly that.

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:38 AM

In Iowa last October, McCain drew comparisons between Hillary Clinton's current health care plan and the one she championed in 1993: "I think they put some lipstick on the pig, but it's still a pig." He used roughly the same line in May, after effectively claiming the Republican nomination. (CNN)

Big difference in referring to a health care plan and referring directly about a person.

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:38 AM

Sorry boss but that is wishful thinking... This is not going to go well for the hardcore Repubs.

;D ....... But I hope it is competitive

SonOfLe-loLang

09-10-2008, 08:39 AM

Im still a firm believer that whatever officially decides the election has yet to occur. Maybe itll be in the debates, maybe something else, but i just have a feeling its going to be a crazy few months.

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 08:39 AM

If Obama would just shutup he'd have this election in the bag.

Of course, that's what the GOP wants, like the Kerry campaign. They want to keep smearing **** and they want Obama to lie down and take it, like Kerry did. I guess they're surprised when he doesn't, eh? Of course, that's pretty much the signature of bullies everywhere. They keep throwing their crap and when somebody stands up to them they start whining like the McCain campaign is doing now. Actually, I'm surprised that McCain is such a whimpering tool. Maybe he's just scared of young, black men. ;)

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:40 AM

In Iowa last October, McCain drew comparisons between Hillary Clinton's current health care plan and the one she championed in 1993: "I think they put some lipstick on the pig, but it's still a pig." He used roughly the same line in May, after effectively claiming the Republican nomination. (CNN)

but when dealing with the right , you must keep in mind there is the real world , then there is their PC world , right wingers are very PC and get offended rather easy

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 08:40 AM

Big difference in referring to a health care plan and referring directly about a person.

Oh yeah. It's totally different. Hilarious!

SonOfLe-loLang

09-10-2008, 08:41 AM

TheDave

09-10-2008, 08:42 AM

You are certainly underestimating the power of scorned middle of the road women come election time. Seems the Obama camp thankfully doing the same. This is an election that only the Dems could lose and they are doing everything in their power to do exactly that.

I don't blame you guys for grasping at straws... If I was in your position I would do the same thing. Barring a major ****-up (and I mean major) this is over.

but as we like to say... I sure hope it is competitive. ;)

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:42 AM

Sorry boss but that is wishful thinking... This is not going to go well for the hardcore Repubs.

This comment is wishful thinking at its best. The Dems are in full panic mode right now and rightfully so as they expected and should have had a 10 to 15 point lead at this point and instead are trailing by most accounts.

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:43 AM

but when dealing with the right , you must keep in mind there is the real world , then there is their PC world , right wingers are very PC and get offended rather easy

I find your accusations rather offensive :)

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 08:43 AM

Well Im not racist I love bacon.

Muslims do not eat any unclean swine. I too love bacon!!!

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:43 AM

I don't blame you guys for grasping at straws... If I was in your position I would do the same thing. Barring a major ****-up (and I mean major) this is over.

but as we like to say... I sure hope it is competitive. ;)

;D that Republican Raider fan analogy you made really worked ...... I try and use it now all the time ;D

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:43 AM

Barring a major ****-up (and I mean major) this is over.

Yes I agree and B. Hussein Obama seems to specialize in exactly that.

SonOfLe-loLang

09-10-2008, 08:44 AM

Of course, that's what the GOP wants, like the Kerry campaign. They want to keep smearing **** and they want Obama to lie down and take it, like Kerry did. I guess they're surprised when he doesn't, eh? Of course, that's pretty much the signature of bullies everywhere. They keep throwing their crap and when somebody stands up to them they start whining like the McCain campaign is doing now. Actually, I'm surprised that McCain is such a whimpering tool. Maybe he's just scared of young, black men. ;)

The republicans have become great at distracting people off the issues. They've made it an art form. You'd think after 8 years of the bush disaster, the american people would prefer an intellectual who is on the right side of the issues to a couple of retards who claim they'll change washington even though they are part of the problem and really have offered no "changes" so far.

They aren't pigs. They are snakes

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:44 AM

I find your accusations rather offensive :)

Dont talk to me you ham hater ;D

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:45 AM

.

MILF POWER dude!

And i agree with you that theres plenty more fireworks to come.
This isnt even about the candidates anymore. Its about the people behind the scenes running the campaigns. They are the ones who are setting this all up for the american public.

Ive been saying this all along.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 08:46 AM

This comment is wishful thinking at its best. The Dems are in full panic mode right now and rightfully so as they expected and should have had a 10 to 15 point lead at this point and instead are trailing by most accounts.

Yep your right... were screwed.

By the way just a little FYI about your polls. So far every poll shows an even split between dems and repubs. Did you know that Dems out number Repubs by more than 11 million. Make that adjustment in the polling method and Obama is up by 10.

Sorry for the reality check... Now back to your "I'm offended by the lipstick comment"

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:48 AM

MILF POWER dude!

And i agree with you that theres plenty more fireworks to come.
This isnt even about the candidates anymore. Its about the people behind the scenes running the campaigns. They are the ones who are setting this all up for the american public.

Ive been saying this all along.

I agree....My guess is the Republicans are saving the Anti-American Bill Ayers facts for the last couple weeks. They know if they press that right now it will only take the liberal media about 3 weeks to spin that away and bury it with most. By waiting just a couple weeks out it won't give them enough time for damage control and lies.

I just don't see anyway that they won't pounce on that juicy nugget.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:48 AM

Yep your right... were screwed.

By the way just a little FYI about your polls. So far every poll shows an even split between dems and repubs. Did you know that Dems out number Repubs by more than 11 million. Make that adjustment in the polling method and Obama is up by 10.

Sorry for the reality check... Now back to your "I'm offended by the lipstick comment"

10 million of those DEMs are women and their on www.palinbarracuda.com

Thats what so crazy.

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:49 AM

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:50 AM

OK. NO JOKE. I typed that palinbarracuda thing as a , off the top of my head joke. SERIOUSLY!

I was just kidding. Then i saw it on my post in BLUE and i thought, "no way that really exists! NO freakin way. Unreal.

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:52 AM

Yep your right... were screwed.

By the way just a little FYI about your polls. So far every poll shows an even split between dems and repubs. Did you know that Dems out number Repubs by more than 11 million. Make that adjustment in the polling method and Obama is up by 10.

Sorry for the reality check... Now back to your "I'm offended by the lipstick comment"

Thanks for the education. Right now I'm picturing you and John Kerry cracking your champagne and picking your cabinet four years ago after your brilliant grasp of polls and exit polls. FOUR MORE YEARS, FOUR MORE YEARS.... Hilarious!

TheDave

09-10-2008, 08:53 AM

10 million of those DEMs are women and their on www.palinbarracuda.com

Thats what so crazy.

Yeah your right... these pro-choice, anti war liberal women all have jumped ship. All because the lipstick bulldog joined McCain. :thumbs:

gosh i sure hope we can at least make it close...

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:53 AM

Thanks for the education. Right now I'm picturing you and John Kerry cracking your champagne and picking your cabinet four years ago after your brilliant grasp of polls and exit polls. FOUR MORE YEARS, FOUR MORE YEARS.... Hilarious!

LOL and i am picturing you drunk , grasping a picture of brodie Croyle and wondering where did it all go bad

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 08:54 AM

you can make anything in blue if its real or not

www.faiderssuckdonkeybawls.com

TheDave

09-10-2008, 08:55 AM

Thanks for the education. Right now I'm picturing you and John Kerry cracking your champagne and picking your cabinet four years ago after your brilliant grasp of polls and exit polls. FOUR MORE YEARS, FOUR MORE YEARS.... Hilarious!

I feel for you nappy... The cheifs, Bush, McCain.

This is going to be a difficult couple of months... Hang in there Bro.

Spider

09-10-2008, 08:56 AM

you can make anything in blue if its real or not

www.faiderssuckdonkeybawls.com

http://hotrodisaracistagainstham.net;D it is true , I read it on the internets gore invented

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:56 AM

Yeah your right... these pro-choice, anti war liberal women all have jumped ship. All because the lipstick bulldog joined McCain. :thumbs:

gosh i sure hope we can at least make it close...

I know its crazy, man.
Reuters: McCain Surge Attributable To “White Women Voters” (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/09/reuters-mccain-surge-attributable-to-white-women-voters/)

By Uppity Woman (javascript:;)http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=50479f92fd7cdc36703d70bcf37 bf49cclose (javascript:;)Author: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
Site: http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/)
About: See Authors Posts (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/author/uppity-woman/) (118) on September 9, 2008 at 12:40 PM in Barack Obama (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/barack-obama/), CNN (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/cnn/), Democratic party (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/democratic-party/), Democrats Against Obama (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/democrats-against-obama/), Donna Brazile (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/donna-brazile/), Gender Bias (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/gender-bias/), Howard Dean (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/howard-dean/), John McCain (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/john-mccain/), MSNBC (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/msnbc/), Misogyny (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/misogyny/), Nancy Pelosi (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/nancy-pelosi/), Sexism (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/sexism/), general election (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/general-election/)
Hey Barack! It’s the Women, stupid!
Too late! We already know what you are.
But then, like Donna Brazile said, you don’t need us.
Remember when you made another Obama Fantasy Remark about how you were SURE you could get all the Hillary Clinton voters to vote for you? Bzzzzzzzz! Wrong!
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/snobbybastard.jpg?w=128 (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/snobbybastard.jpg)
Remember how you sent your “surrogates” out to bash Hillary left and right–and enjoyed every second of it?
Remember telling her she’s “likeable enough”?
Remember your sicko comment about her having ‘Periodic moments”? Remember Annie Oakley?
Remember when you called that reporter Sweetie? Remember when you offered a female pharmacist a kiss to wear your button? And offered to get down on your knees?
We do!

socalorado

09-10-2008, 08:57 AM

L!OL! Man, ididnt know that you could do that with .COM domain names !

Thats classic!

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 08:57 AM

I feel for you nappy... The cheifs, Bush, McCain.

This is going to be a difficult couple of months... Hang in there Bro.

Don't feel sorry for me....I'm going to be on the winning ship with 2 out of the 3.

You better hope the Donks keep playing well or you are going 0 for 3.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 09:02 AM

I know its crazy, man.
Reuters: McCain Surge Attributable To “White Women Voters” (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/09/reuters-mccain-surge-attributable-to-white-women-voters/)

By Uppity Woman (javascript:;)http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=50479f92fd7cdc36703d70bcf37 bf49cclose (javascript:;)Author: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
Email: susanunpc@gmail.com
Site: http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/)
About: See Authors Posts (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/author/uppity-woman/) (118) on September 9, 2008 at 12:40 PM in Barack Obama (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/barack-obama/), CNN (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/cnn/), Democratic party (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/democratic-party/), Democrats Against Obama (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/democrats-against-obama/), Donna Brazile (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/donna-brazile/), Gender Bias (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/gender-bias/), Howard Dean (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/howard-dean/), John McCain (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/john-mccain/), MSNBC (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/msnbc/), Misogyny (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/misogyny/), Nancy Pelosi (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/nancy-pelosi/), Sexism (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/sexism/), general election (http://noquarterusa.net/blog/category/general-election/)
Hey Barack! It’s the Women, stupid!
Too late! We already know what you are.
But then, like Donna Brazile said, you don’t need us.
Remember when you made another Obama Fantasy Remark about how you were SURE you could get all the Hillary Clinton voters to vote for you? Bzzzzzzzz! Wrong!
http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/snobbybastard.jpg?w=128 (http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/snobbybastard.jpg)
Remember how you sent your “surrogates” out to bash Hillary left and right–and enjoyed every second of it?
Remember telling her she’s “likeable enough”?
Remember your sicko comment about her having ‘Periodic moments”? Remember Annie Oakley?
Remember when you called that reporter Sweetie? Remember when you offered a female pharmacist a kiss to wear your button? And offered to get down on your knees?
We do!

Dude you just printed a blog by someone named "Upitty Woman"... sorry if i don't consider her view universal to all "White Women"

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:04 AM

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/lowcarbscoop/2008lipstick.jpg

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 09:07 AM

:worthless

http://www.matthewktabor.com/images/pig_budget.jpg

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 09:10 AM

Did you know that Dems out number Repubs by more than 11 million.

You bring up a great point Dave. The Dems out number the Repubs yet the Repubs have controlled the White House for 20 of the last 28 years. Tells me the Democratic leadership and Democratic principles are so poor that they can't even convince their own party to vote for them. You guys should probably disband the party and start over.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:11 AM

Dude you just printed a blog by someone named "Upitty Woman"... sorry if i don't consider her view universal to all "White Women"

Actually its a Reuters article with Uppity white woman as the blogger at the bottom, but if thats how you feel about women, and you dont want to portray them as being just as informed as a man like yourself, then i guess we might as well just consider you right in line with all the other dem woman haters out there that make rude, hate filled remarks about them!!
Darnit!
GIRL POWER UNITE!

SonOfLe-loLang

09-10-2008, 09:11 AM

I agree....My guess is the Republicans are saving the Anti-American Bill Ayers facts for the last couple weeks. They know if they press that right now it will only take the liberal media about 3 weeks to spin that away and bury it with most. By waiting just a couple weeks out it won't give them enough time for damage control and lies.

I just don't see anyway that they won't pounce on that juicy nugget.

Liberal Media....right.

Palin and McCain have been consistently lying about the bridge to nowhere since shes been nominated, yet what the media really jumps on is a comment about lipstick on a pig. Real liberal.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:13 AM

Liberal Media....right.

Palin and McCain have been consistently lying about the bridge to nowhere since shes been nominated, yet what the media really jumps on is a comment about lipstick on a pig. Real liberal.

Didnt obama and biden vote for the bridge to nowhere?

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:14 AM

Didnt obama and biden vote for the bridge to nowhere?

They did. Which is why they won't bring it up..

TheDave

09-10-2008, 09:16 AM

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 09:17 AM

Lipstick hides the blemishes of the real issues. Does Obama eat bacon with his waffles?

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 09:17 AM

Actually its a Reuters article with Uppity white woman as the blogger at the bottom, but if thats how you feel about women, and you dont want to portray them as being just as informed as a man like yourself, then i guess we might as well just consider you right in line with all the other dem woman haters out there that make rude, hate filled remarks about them!!
Darnit!
GIRL POWER UNITE!

Yeah, girls unite and vote for these two and you'll step back in time. You'll loose the right to choose (even if raped(and if raped you should pay for the evidence required to convict the perpetrator)). Maybe we can rescind the right for women to vote. (the redneck / err: republican party would love that).

What a bunch of ass-bbackward MF's.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:17 AM

They did. Which is why they won't bring it up..

Thats my point. I doesnt even matter, cause they can just spin it right back at obama. His advisors MUST know this?!?!
Its like he throws these "hand grenades" at Palin, and she just throws it right back at him before it goes off!

obama should completely avoid all this stuff and go straight after McCains jugular.

Hotrod

09-10-2008, 09:17 AM

Lipstick hides the blemishes of the real issues. Does Obama eat bacon with his waffles?

LOL that aint right Ha!

TheDave

09-10-2008, 09:18 AM

Lipstick hides the blemishes of the real issues. Does Obama eat bacon with his waffles?

And we have our first "Closet Muslim" crack of the thread... LOL

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:20 AM

Yeah, girls unite and vote for these two and you'll step back in time. You'll loose the right to choose (even if raped(and if raped you should pay for the evidence required to convict the perpetrator)). Maybe we can rescind the right for women to vote. (the redneck / err: republican party would love that).

What a bunch of ass-bbackward MF's.

No kidding! But they are going to the Palin side, simply because of all the crap they have had to put up with in the past from obama. Unreal. Who knew it would work out like this. Thats why i said i gotta give props to the PR guru, whos behind the scenes with the repubs. Guy is playing this thing perfectly.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 09:21 AM

Thats my point. I doesnt even matter, cause they can just spin it right back at obama. His advisors MUST know this?!?!
Its like he throws these "hand grenades" at Palin, and she just throws it right back at him before it goes off!

obama should completely avoid all this stuff and go straight after McCains jugular.

Finally we agree on something... If i was the Obama camp i would absolutely ignore her existence. Especially since she has gone into seclusion. Out of site out of mind.

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 09:23 AM

Yeah, girls unite and vote for these two and you'll step back in time. You'll loose the right to choose (even if raped(and if raped you should pay for the evidence required to convict the perpetrator)). Maybe we can rescind the right for women to vote. (the redneck / err: republican party would love that).

What a bunch of ass-bbackward MF's.

Obviously you demonstrate a high level of tolerance for other humans and never attempt to deny anyone of their civil rights. A hater like you would never resort to degrading others, nor would you support any intelligent Harvard grad that would. Lawyers like Biden and Obama should be able to use thier high powered education without leaving themselves open to being blasted by rednecks. Why did Biden have to repeat an entire year in law school?

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:23 AM

Finally we agree on something... If i was the Obama camp i would absolutely ignore her existence. Especially since she has gone into seclusion. Out of site out of mind.

THANK YOU! Thats what i have been sayng all along. Read my posts.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 09:25 AM

THANK YOU! Thats what i have been sayng all along. Read my posts.

Easy killer... I said we agreed on something. I'm not about to start reading the rest of your crap. ;)

SonOfLe-loLang

09-10-2008, 09:30 AM

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:30 AM

Easy killer... I said we agreed on something. I'm not about to start reading the rest of your crap. ;)
darnit.

SonOfLe-loLang

09-10-2008, 09:34 AM

You bring up a great point Dave. The Dems out number the Repubs yet the Repubs have controlled the White House for 20 of the last 28 years. Tells me the Democratic leadership and Democratic principles are so poor that they can't even convince their own party to vote for them. You guys should probably disband the party and start over.

I think this has to do more with the fact our electorate is young, which generally means they are apathetic because they don't officially realize how the political system effects them. Evangelicals also seem to hit the polls harder as well because they are such a doom and gloom bunch, while i think lots of liberals aren't. But yes, part of it is they haven't rallied the youth vote like clinton did.

Start claiming mccain will have to reinstitute a draft if he wants to continue all these wars...i bet that would get them running to the polls

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 09:38 AM

I think this has to do more with the fact our electorate is young, which generally means they are apathetic because they don't officially realize how the political system effects them. Evangelicals also seem to hit the polls harder as well because they are such a doom and gloom bunch, while i think lots of liberals aren't. But yes, part of it is they haven't rallied the youth vote like clinton did.

Start claiming mccain will have to reinstitute a draft if he wants to continue all these wars...i bet that would get them running to the polls

I believe it was Nancy Pelozi that actually started the latest push for conscipment. Will her fairness doctrine apply to MTV, or is that media protected since the owner is a tight Obama fundraiser?

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 09:39 AM

Obviously you demonstrate a high level of tolerance for other humans and never attempt to deny anyone of their civil rights. A hater like you would never resort to degrading others, nor would you support any intelligent Harvard grad that would. Lawyers like Biden and Obama should be able to use thier high powered education without leaving themselves open to being blasted by rednecks. Why did Biden have to repeat an entire year in law school?

Here ya go: FOAD! How's that for your civil rights? You obviously are mistaking me for someone who still has an iota of love for those who would vote for another term of anti-american leadership. **** you, and all of your ilk.

Rigs11

09-10-2008, 09:40 AM

Denver Crush

09-10-2008, 09:41 AM

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

**** class, I want my god damned country back! A vote for McCain/Palin means more wars, deficits, and crimes against the constitution.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 09:45 AM

Ahh the hypocrisy from the right is hilarious, mccane can make the pig accusation, but when obama makes it they get their panties in a bunch.mccane can make accusations about obama being inexperienced, but then goes out and selects the most inexperienced vp available.then they cry when the media and obama call him out on this. Astounding that the knucleheads on this board fall for this again and again. May god have mercy on your souls.Ha!

Its not the right neccessarily, but the media, american culture AND the right.

Obama didnt know this??!!?! Biden didnt realize that his comments about Palin were the worst thing he could possibly say?!?!?
Its obama and biden that are the knuckleheads! These guys fell right into the trap.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 09:48 AM

**** class, I want my god damned country back! A vote for McCain/Palin means more wars, deficits, and crimes against the constitution.

No ****. I'm so tired of this crap I'm ready, willing and able to break out whatever means to stop these criminals.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:50 AM

**** class, I want my god damned country back! A vote for McCain/Palin means more wars, deficits, and crimes against the constitution.

Ahhh no. The crimes against the constitutions are commited in the legislative branch, which McCain, Obama, and Biden come from and they have a single digit approval rating. Every day the Bill of Rights is violated from DUI check points to freedom of speech, and especially the 10th amendment. If you are looking honoring the Constitution for that you won't find in either camp.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:51 AM

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 09:54 AM

You obviously are mistaking me for someone who still has an iota of love for those who would vote for another term of anti-american leadership.

Now I am really confused. After reading all your posts I thought for certain you were for B. Hussein Obama.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 09:55 AM

You bring up a great point Dave. The Dems out number the Repubs yet the Repubs have controlled the White House for 20 of the last 28 years. Tells me the Democratic leadership and Democratic principles are so poor that they can't even convince their own party to vote for them. You guys should probably disband the party and start over.

Yet we control the House, Senate, and soon the Pres... Sorry boss, i realize it is fun to pretend that Dems have always held some magical lead and just never been able to diliver...BUT... that just isn't reality. Over the last 20 years Dems have enjoyed between 2-5% advantage in voter registration. Unfortunately for you guys GWB has screwed the pooch so well they now have doubled that to more than 10%.

Like i've said... Ijust hope we can make it competitive ;)

Denver Crush

09-10-2008, 09:56 AM

Ahhh no. The crimes against the constitutions are commited in the legislative branch, which McCain, Obama, and Biden come from and they have a single digit approval rating. Every day the Bill of Rights is violated from DUI check points to freedom of speech, and especially the 10th amendment. If you are looking honoring the Constitution for that you won't find in either camp.

Unfortunately there is not a candidate that has a realistic chance of winning that champions these beliefs. I am voting against a candidate not for one.

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 10:00 AM

Yet we control the House, Senate, and soon the Pres... Sorry boss, i realize it is fun to pretend that Dems have always held some magical lead and just never been able to diliver...BUT... that just isn't reality. Over the last 20 years Dems have enjoyed between 2-5% advantage in voter registration. Unfortunately for you guys GWB has screwed the pooch so well they now have doubled that to more than 10%.

Like i've said... Ijust hope we can make it competitive ;)

The good news for your camp is that if Obama wins and gets his way there will be a ton more poor people lining up to vote themselves money in all the following elections....But then again that is probably their strategy. Liberals are bitter, angry people by nature and the thing they hate the most is seeing other people happy and successful.

Democrats, fighting hard to keep their constituents in need of government programs for more than a century.

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 10:02 AM

Here ya go: FOAD! How's that for your civil rights? You obviously are mistaking me for someone who still has an iota of love for those who would vote for another term of anti-american leadership. **** you, and all of your ilk.

No mistake. I recognize more of the same intolerant hate groups that have plagued history. Thanks for demonstrating why character and education are becoming increasingly more critical than youtube, xbox, and comedy central. Maybe the high unemployment rate is due to similiar points of view being so nice to work with. It is sad what happens when children are raised by mass media instead of parental nurturing.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 10:07 AM

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 10:09 AM

The good news for your camp is that if Obama wins and gets his way there will be a ton more poor people lining up to vote themselves money in all the following elections....But then again that is probably their strategy. Liberals are bitter, angry people by nature and the thing they hate the most is seeing other people happy and successful.

Democrats, fighting hard to keep their constituents in need of government programs for more than a century.

This is historical the downfall of all republics. Legislatures vote themselves money. The current trend I see is that Obama supporters demonstrate a very limited attention span and a reluctance to put forth effort to achieve any lasting goal. This is why they are easily led, quick to spout negative comments, and eager for easy life without any personal sacrifice. Atlas is schrugging at those who want more relief from hard work. I vote for John Galt.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 10:13 AM

Big difference in referring to a health care plan and referring directly about a person.

Um, he wasn't referring to anyone personally, dummy. Listen to quote. He is talking about their failed policies.

TailgateNut

09-10-2008, 10:15 AM

No mistake. I recognize more of the same intolerant hate groups that have plagued history. Thanks for demonstrating why character and education are becoming increasingly more critical than youtube, xbox, and comedy central. Maybe the high unemployment rate is due to similiar points of view being so nice to work with. It is sad what happens when children are raised by mass media instead of parental nurturing.

Blabber on!

I've been employed for over three decades, haven't taken any handouts, am well educatedand do not "do" the "youtube" nor do I own an x-box (to busy to play games).

Regarding your "intolerant hate group" comment. I speak for myself and am in no way connected to any "group", and if you wish to attack my character, please do so to my face.

I am also an American citizen who loves his country and will not allow the current destruction to continue. So, those who advocate keeping the system the same are, and will be in the crosshairs.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 10:16 AM

Thats my point. I doesnt even matter, cause they can just spin it right back at obama.

No, they can't. Because the issue isn't whether or not she supported the bridge. The issue is that she is lying about her position. She keeps trumpeting the "I said thanks, but no thanks" when she is ON FILM speaking in support of it back in 2006. That is the issue.

gyldenlove

09-10-2008, 10:21 AM

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 10:28 AM

Yawn.. the "liberal's are bitter angry people" is so 2004. You need new material,

Not when your party is made up of the same predictable group year after year. You have the extremely wacko left Hollywood types that spend most of their life in rehabs, the low end poor trying to vote themselves money and the college kids that are immersed in theory and haven't gotten a dose of reality yet. Sprinkle in the "bitter, I hate virtually everything and America sucks unless we are in charge" types and it is the same old, same old year after year.

You get some new people and we might need some new material...but until then no need to bother.

NaptownChief

09-10-2008, 10:30 AM

At least Clinton lied for a good cause - blowjobs, lying about a bridge is just pathetic.

Except for it was under oath. If he were an athlete they would have spent millions to throw him in jail. But we clearly hold them to a higher standard than the leader of the free world. ;D

Mr.Meanie

09-10-2008, 10:35 AM

socalorado

09-10-2008, 10:37 AM

No, they can't. Because the issue isn't whether or not she supported the bridge. The issue is that she is lying about her position. She keeps trumpeting the "I said thanks, but no thanks" when she is ON FILM speaking in support of it back in 2006. That is the issue.

They already have. Thats what so incredible.
I feel for you. i am not saying this to make fun of you, i am saying this cause the spin is true. It doesnt matter what obama does at this point, in regards to these goofy comments. He must climb out of palins panties and get back to the real topics and the roots of his campaign. every moment he spends screwing around with these stupid comments is just hurting him.
Biden as well.

BroncoInferno

09-10-2008, 10:38 AM

Not when your party is made up of the same predictable group year after year. You have the extremely wacko left Hollywood types that spend most of their life in rehabs, the low end poor trying to vote themselves money and the college kids that are immersed in theory and haven't gotten a dose of reality yet. Sprinkle in the "bitter, I hate" virtually everything and America sucks unless we are charge types and it is the same old, same old year after year.

You get some new people and we might need some new material...but until then no need to bother.

Or we can stick with your party, which consists of WASPs who inherited their fortune from daddy and specialize in funneling the wealth created off the sweat of middle and lower class Americans to themselves and their cronies, who like to invade the wrong countries, who like to demonize as "against America" anyone who dares disagree with their policies that are proven failures, who claim to be the "moral" party yet getting caught f*cking underage pages and lying to the American people, who are too stupid to realize that attacking policy is not the same as saying "America sucks!", who are xenophobic and make broad generalizations against entire cultures that differ from our own (i.e. your French bashing thread). I think I'll pass, thanks.

Dudeskey

09-10-2008, 10:39 AM

Dudeskey

09-10-2008, 10:41 AM

They already have. Thats what so incredible.
I feel for you. i am not saying this to make fun of you, i am saying this cause the spin is true. It doesnt matter what obama does at this point, in regards to these goofy comments. He must climb out of palins panties and get back to the real topics and the roots of his campaign. every moment he spends screwing around with these stupid comments is just hurting him.
Biden as well.

Couldn't agree more... the attention has to go back to the issues

Denver Crush

09-10-2008, 10:41 AM

Except for it was under oath. If he were an athlete they would have spent millions to throw him in jail. But we clearly hold them to a higher standard than the leader of the free world. ;D

How do you figure, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemons, and the rest of the roid crew never went to jail.

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 10:42 AM

The good news for your camp is that if Obama wins and gets his way there will be a ton more poor people lining up to vote themselves money in all the following elections....But then again that is probably their strategy. Liberals are bitter, angry people by nature and the thing they hate the most is seeing other people happy and successful.

Democrats, fighting hard to keep their constituents in need of government programs for more than a century.

The good news about that is that the poor generally ask for only a little bit, enough to get by, while the rich cronies of Bush and McCain want it by the pallet-full. Hell, they dished out $250 billion to their Halliburton cronies in Iraq that they can't even account for now. I'm sure the poor won't need that much. Maybe a couple of food stamps. I know it really upsets the Righties to actually feed a poor person because they would much prefer to shovel their money into the pockets of Exxon, but hey, whattcha gonna do?

TheDave

09-10-2008, 10:42 AM

Not when your party is made up of the same predictable group year after year. You have the extremely wacko left Hollywood types that spend most of their life in rehabs, the low end poor trying to vote themselves money and the college kids that are immersed in theory and haven't gotten a dose of reality yet. Sprinkle in the "bitter, I hate virtually everything and America sucks unless we are in charge" types and it is the same old, same old year after year.

You get some new people and we might need some new material...but until then no need to bother.

the funny part is that you actually believe 45% of the population can be catogorized in 3 sentences...

Let see if i can play that game...

You repubs are nothing more than a bunch of inbred war mongering religous zealots that only want to make abortion illegal so you have more kids to draft for your next crusade.

Yeah that was pretty easy... not sure if pretending that your fellow americans are evil is the right way to go, but what the hell.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 10:43 AM

oh god, another drone parroting **** from RushHannitySavage...

It's true. That's what happens when the people realize they can vote themselves the coffers. Obama or McCain can talk about all these social programs they are going to levy, but in the end there will still be poor people and rich people and the only thing these programs do is make peole dependent on the government.

Dudeskey

09-10-2008, 10:52 AM

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 10:57 AM

But I like my socialized police department and fire services...

I don't like my socialized police department and their constant violation of the Constitution. But to the point, the socialists in this country want to put everyone into groups and legislate to those groups. That's the problem. No one has a aproblem, generally, with government programs designed for everyone to use: Roads, police, fire department.

Dudeskey

09-10-2008, 11:20 AM

I don't like my socialized police department and their constant violation of the Constitution. But to the point, the socialists in this country want to put everyone into groups and legislate to those groups. That's the problem. No one has a aproblem, generally, with government programs designed for everyone to use: Roads, police, fire department.

To an extent I agree with your take. But there are some good programs out there like financial aid for students, & the GI Bill (supposedly for every dollar spent, six goes back into our economy w/ this one). Anything that can help someone learn a skill, turn around and contribute to society, I'm for it.

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 11:22 AM

To an extent I agree with your take. But there are some good programs out there like financial aid for students, & the GI Bill (supposedly for every dollar spent, six goes back into our economy w/ this one). Anything that can help someone learn a skill, turn around and contribute to society, I'm for it.

I don't have a problem provided everyone has access and I mean everyone. Any race, any socio-economic status, any religion, anybody. At that point it becomes their choice on what the use and don't use.

socalorado

09-10-2008, 02:58 PM

Perfect article that articulates what i have been saying all along.
Obama has fallen right into the trap. Right or wrong, his side should know better.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199738/

Ms. PiggyMcCain's campaign perfects its outrage over sexism.

By John Dickerson
Posted Wednesday, Sept. 10, 2008, at 10:32 AM ET
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(http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)</LABEL>All campaigns must change in order to handle the arrival of a vice-presidential candidate. To accommodate Sarah Palin, John McCain's Straight Talk Express has now installed a fainting couch. It's not for the vice-presidential candidate—she's plenty tough—but for McCain aides who are rapidly perfecting the act of expiring on the cushions on her behalf at every sign of perceived sexism.

Tuesday night they turned in a spectacular performance. Barack Obama used the expression "lipstick on a pig" to refer to McCain's new pitch as a change agent in Washington. "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink. We've had enough of the same old thing."
The McCain campaign reacted to the remarks with emergency umbrage (http://www.slate.com/id/2185180/). A conference call was ordered for 7 p.m. Former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift, the newly minted chair of the "Palin Truth Squad," told reporters (http://blip.tv/file/1247937) she was offended at Obama's attack on Palin. She couldn't explain how Obama's general attack was a personal one aimed at Palin but asserted it was just obvious. She also took offense on behalf of her children. She may have even put her hand to her brow, but it was a phone call, so I couldn't tell. (Note: If it had been a man on the call, I also would have used this expression because of the silent-movielike theatricality. I believe that this gesture is gender neutral, but if you have another one, drop us a line and we'll fix it.)
The McCain team's hypersensitive and highly managed approach to the new vice president offers up yet more signs of just how far the Republican nominee has come from his freewheeling days. McCain, once one of the most accessible politicians in modern times, has essentially hidden his vice-presidential pick (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PALIN_PLAYING_IT_SAFE?SITE=ORLAG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) from the press since her selection. Palin's performances are highly scripted, and the campaign that once rightly criticized bloggers for taking McCain's every utterance out of context has now perfected the blogger's quick trigger of outrage.
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If McCain is going to get tagged for his every slip of the tongue, his aides have determined, he might as well do the same and get some political benefit. Earlier Tuesday, when Obama had referred to Palin as a "governor, mother, and moose shooter," the McCain campaign instructed its Iowa Sportsmen for McCain co-chairman to proclaim the remarks an outrage to hunters. The strategy seems to be working. Whenever the press tries to question Palin, it's used as a foil to stir the Republican base; charges of sexism keep team Obama off-balance.
It was obvious that Obama wasn't talking about his opponent's running mate, as Gov. Mike Huckabee pointed out on Fox News: "I'm going to have to cut Obama some slack on that one. I do not think he was referring to Sarah Palin." It also turns out McCain himself is a fan of the "lipstick on a pig" expression. He even used it last fall to describe Hillary Clinton's health care plan—a nearly parallel construction. (Watch McCain use the phrase (http://www.slatev.com/player.html?id=1784628752) on Slate V.) But these two pieces of information don't obscure the fact that Obama is in a bit of a fix. His campaign will now spend a day adjudicating this pig business, which is another day he's not talking about something else. (In an effort to keep the ball bouncing, the McCain campaign produced a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZd_Y_D-RaA) called "Lipstick," further bending Obama's meaning.)
This matters politically for Obama because the Palin pick appears to have helped McCain for the moment with women voters. In last month's NBC/WSJ poll, Obama was leading McCain by 14 points among female voters. In the most recent poll (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/080909_NBC-WSJ_Released.pdf), he's up by just four points. Among younger women (ages 18-49) Obama was up by 20 points; now McCain is ahead by three. And last month, Obama held a one-point lead among white women; now McCain is up among them by 10.
Obama should have known better than to use the pig line. Clinton loyalists staged a nearly identical public chest-clutching (http://www.observer.com/term/26429) when his adviser Samantha Power was caught calling Clinton a "monster." Plus, Obama, like McCain, has perfected the art of taking quick and flamboyant umbrage on the least little evidence. A month ago he proclaimed the McCain campaign had attempted to use his race against him when there was less evidence this was the case than McCain has now.
It's not clear what Palin thinks of the lipstick remark or the campaign's nine-alarm ire. She's spoken only to People magazine since she was selected. She'll sit down with ABC's Charlie Gibson later this week for a set of interviews designed around her son's deployment ceremony, and perhaps he'll ask her. She once spoke at length (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/did-palin-call.html) about the ways in which Hillary Clinton's whining about sexism had hurt all women everywhere, so perhaps it rankles that it's being claimed so frequently on her behalf. She seems like the kind of woman who can defend herself. She might even think making such a fuss to protect her is sexist.

Spider

09-10-2008, 03:05 PM

LOL Kerry didnt fight back we saw what happened .... Obama is kicking as and taking names and putting the phony outraged bastards in their place

Mr.Meanie

09-10-2008, 03:08 PM

It's not clear what Palin thinks of the lipstick remark or the campaign's nine-alarm ire. She's spoken only to People magazine since she was selected. She'll sit down with ABC's Charlie Gibson later this week for a set of interviews designed around her son's deployment ceremony, and perhaps he'll ask her. She once spoke at length (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/did-palin-call.html) about the ways in which Hillary Clinton's whining about sexism had hurt all women everywhere, so perhaps it rankles that it's being claimed so frequently on her behalf. She seems like the kind of woman who can defend herself. She might even think making such a fuss to protect her is sexist.

:rofl:

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 03:09 PM

LOL Kerry didnt fight back we saw what happened .... Obama is kicking as and taking names and putting the phony outraged bastards in their place

Afraid that Palin is "hijacking" this election, Obama supporters say, "her only qualification is she hasn't had an abortion." Ready to smear, not to lead.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 03:17 PM

Ready to smear, not to lead.

This from a Bush supporter? Hilarious!

Spider

09-10-2008, 03:19 PM

Afraid that Palin is "hijacking" this election, Obama supporters say, "her only qualification is she hasn't had an abortion." Ready to smear, not to lead.

Bull**** ....... the left is attacking several things ......... she left us alot to feast on ..... Smear and not lead ....... wow .....if you say so

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 03:27 PM

John McCain uses "Lipstick on a Pig" references (in reference to Hillary's healthcare plan.)

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Bronco Bob

09-10-2008, 04:04 PM

Bronco Bob

09-10-2008, 04:15 PM

Maybe he lacked the Harvard JD to resort to namecalling that is unacceptable for 12 year olds. I really want a president who will break down and cry, "You stink, you are a pig, you lie, you smell." I think that hate is a symptom of self loathing. At least in public, Obama has not degenerated to the point of resorting to swear words, but his supporters sure are a very high class of skilled communicators. Are so many Americans really going to decide the outcome of so many issues by who can bully the other side better?

You Republicans sure have turned into a whiny bunch of crybabies.
Oh, mommy, that big mean Obama is calling me a pig. Boo fricken Hoo.

Play2win

09-10-2008, 04:18 PM

You Republicans sure have turned into a whiny bunch of crybabies.
Oh, mommy, that big mean Obama is calling me a pig. Boo fricken Hoo.

Well what happens to an Old Gentleman's Club when they get too old... They get sent to the retirement home and all they do piss, b!tch and whine all day long...

Bronco Bob

09-10-2008, 04:42 PM

It's true. That's what happens when the people realize they can vote themselves the coffers. Obama or McCain can talk about all these social programs they are going to levy, but in the end there will still be poor people and rich people and the only thing these programs do is make peole dependent on the government.

See, but here is the difference. The republicans dupe the poor into voting
for them with irrelevant nonsense that does nothing to benefit the poor.
In turn the republicans turn around and give breaks to their industrial
cronies who in turn ship jobs off to India and China. So the poor who
voted republican end up even worse off. At least when the poor vote
democrat, they get some benefit out of it. Such as a job here in America
that pays real wages.
Let me ask you this. How exactly is McCain whining about Obama
calling Palin a pig going to help an unemployed factory worker?

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 04:53 PM

See, but here is the difference. The republicans dupe the poor into voting
for them with irrelevant nonsense that does nothing to benefit the poor.
In turn the republicans turn around and give breaks to their industrial
cronies who in turn ship jobs off to India and China. So the poor who
voted republican end up even worse off. At least when the poor vote
democrat, they get some benefit out of it. Such as a job here in America
that pays real wages.
Let me ask you this. How exactly is McCain whining about Obama
calling Palin a pig going to help an unemployed factory worker?

Let me ask you, what is the unemployed factory worker doing to market himself elsewhere? The President and Congress can't stop jobs from leaving here. In fact, people better get used to it and find a way to survive. We have excellent education access in this country. In fact, under Obama's tax plan we'll see more businesses leave and our governemnt will lose tax revenue from employment taxes. The only answer is to slow government spending. The reason people USED to vote republician was exactly for this reason. This is where they have failed and John McCain said as much in his RNC address.

Rohirrim

09-10-2008, 05:14 PM

See, but here is the difference. The republicans dupe the poor into voting
for them with irrelevant nonsense that does nothing to benefit the poor.
In turn the republicans turn around and give breaks to their industrial
cronies who in turn ship jobs off to India and China. So the poor who
voted republican end up even worse off. At least when the poor vote
democrat, they get some benefit out of it. Such as a job here in America
that pays real wages.
Let me ask you this. How exactly is McCain whining about Obama
calling Palin a pig going to help an unemployed factory worker?

The only point to this is that it controls the news cycle for another day and keeps the American people away from thinking about the issues. Like McCain's campaign lobbyist said two weeks ago, they're going to make this a campaign about personalities (code word for "mud") instead of issues. The press is going right along with them instead of having the guts to call them on it, which reminds us all how we ended up in Iraq - the press not doing their job.

TheDave

09-10-2008, 05:42 PM

The only point to this is that it controls the news cycle for another day and keeps the American people away from thinking about the issues. Like McCain's campaign lobbyist said two weeks ago, they're going to make this a campaign about personalities (code word for "mud") instead of issues. The press is going right along with them instead of having the guts to call them on it, which reminds us all how we ended up in Iraq - the press not doing their job.

In fairness I saw Matthews, Olberman, and Orielly all jumped on this calling it a pathetic spin job... This is exactly the kind of thing that people will quickly tire of. McCain and his folks are doing their best to piss the media off. JMO but the guy with the pen always wins.

Bronco Bob

09-10-2008, 05:47 PM

Let me ask you, what is the unemployed factory worker doing to market himself elsewhere? The President and Congress can't stop jobs from leaving here. In fact, people better get used to it and find a way to survive. We have excellent education access in this country. In fact, under Obama's tax plan we'll see more businesses leave and our governemnt will lose tax revenue from employment taxes. The only answer is to slow government spending. The reason people USED to vote republician was exactly for this reason. This is where they have failed and John McCain said as much in his RNC address.

Why would we see more businesses leave when the tax laws are currently
set up to reward companies that outsource jobs. Under Obama's plan,
companies that create jobs in America would be rewarded, not penalized.
And as far as cutting government spending, a huge saving would be
getting us out of Iraq, which Obama also plans to do.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:10 PM

The only point to this is that it controls the news cycle for another day and keeps the American people away from thinking about the issues. Like McCain's campaign lobbyist said two weeks ago, they're going to make this a campaign about personalities (code word for "mud") instead of issues. The press is going right along with them instead of having the guts to call them on it, which reminds us all how we ended up in Iraq - the press not doing their job.

QFT.

The rethugs know that if they actually had to run on the issues or their record of the last eight years then they would be sunk.

http://www.bartcop.com/7-per-cent-candidate.jpg

Bronco Bob

09-10-2008, 06:24 PM

Did someone say lipstick?

socalorado

09-10-2008, 06:27 PM

Did someone say lipstick?

Thats the best one ive seen yet! WOW!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:27 PM

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Rigs11

09-10-2008, 06:36 PM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 06:44 PM

Unemployment at 6.1%
Gas at $3.60 a gallon
record deficit of 400 billion this year
military at breaking point

...and the repubs wanna talk about lipstick on a pig comment.

Never ceases to amaze me. Country first my ass. If you wonder why this country is going down the shetter look no further. If you don't think it is you aren't paying attention.

Yep.

Getting a "win" for "Team GOP" so they can do a victory dance in the end zone is always more important than what's right for America to these half-wits.

http://www.bartcop.com/not-stupid-hope.jpg

DenverBrit

09-10-2008, 07:18 PM

It's interesting that the Republicans heard "Lipstick" & "Pig" and immediately assumed that Palin was the target. Ha!

MO<1>

09-10-2008, 07:27 PM

See, but here is the difference. The republicans dupe the poor into voting
for them with irrelevant nonsense that does nothing to benefit the poor.
In turn the republicans turn around and give breaks to their industrial
cronies who in turn ship jobs off to India and China. So the poor who
voted republican end up even worse off. At least when the poor vote
democrat, they get some benefit out of it. Such as a job here in America
that pays real wages.
Let me ask you this. How exactly is McCain whining about Obama
calling Palin a pig going to help an unemployed factory worker?

You mean the unemployed factories workers in La Junta? Maybe Michelle Obama can explain voting to close an American factory an moving operations to Mexico. It all seams good in double speak, until you know someone who is hurt. I personally know more people hurt by the Obama revenue machine that those helped. Do you know anyone who was helped? Any real people?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:29 PM

You mean the unemployed factories workers in La Junta? Maybe Michelle Obama can explain voting to close an American factory an moving operations to Mexico. It all seams good in double speak, until you know someone who is hurt. I personally know more people hurt by the Obama revenue machine that those helped. Do you know anyone who was helped? Any real people?

OMG - you're still trying to peddle that lie even after I busted you on it?

Unreal! :oyvey:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:32 PM

Debunking the La Junta Factory Lie

The Video’s Claim: Though Sen. Obama has spoken about worker’s rights to groups critical of Wal-Mart, he didn’t mention that the CEO of TreeHouse Foods received $26 million in compensation in 2005, while Wal-Mart’s CEO received $10.5 million, despite the fact that TreeHouse is a much smaller company — “maybe because he’s embarrassed his wife sits on the Board of Directors of TreeHouse Foods, a company that shut a plant in 2006 that was staffed primarily with low-paid Hispanics!”

The Truth: Michelle Obama joined the Board of Directors of TreeHouse Foods in June 2005, shortly after the company was spun off its parent company, Dean Foods. TreeHouse CEO Sam Reed (http://www.treehousefoods.com/bio_sam_reed.html) was reportedly paid $26.2 million in 2005, much of which was in the form of stock options stemming from the company’s spin-off and contingent on the company’s level of performance, according to Crain’s Business (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/mag/article.pl?id=26965&postDate=2006-12-09). In other words, the company must do well for Reed to receive that money.

TreeHouse has an Executive Compensation Committee to determine the salaries of its executives. Michelle Obama does not sit on this committee (http://www.treehousefoods.com/bio_michelle_obama.html). When asked, she pointed out that Reed’s compensation is “benchmarked to that of other food firms.” She also noted to a reporter that her income “is pretty low compared to my peers,” adding, “You wouldn’t ask that question if, like some people in politics, we had trust funds and were
rich.”

As for the claim about the plant that was shut down in 2006, it’s true. It was a pickle plant in La Junta, Colorado, and employed 153 people. It was not closed by TreeHouse directly, however, but by Bay Valley Foods, a division of the larger TreeHouse company. The video’s attempt to link Michelle Obama to the plant’s closure — and to once again inject racial overtones into its specious claim — is like saying the Secretary of Agriculture should be held responsible for the unfortunate closing of a military base in Maine.

A press release (http://www.lexdon.com/article/Bay_Valley_Foods_Announces_Plans/20513.html) from Bay Valley Foods regretfully attributes the closure to “a reduction in our pickle business and a significant increase in overhead costs, making it necessary to consolidate our manufacturing network. The La Junta facility is a high-cost plant with the lowest utilization among Bay Valley Foods’ pickle plants. Production at La Junta will be reallocated among our five remaining pickle production facilities.”

http://obamarama.org/2007/01/25/the-truth-about-obamatruthorg/

Bronco Bob

09-10-2008, 07:35 PM

You mean the unemployed factories workers in La Junta? Maybe Michelle Obama can explain voting to close an American factory an moving operations to Mexico. It all seams good in double speak, until you know someone who is hurt. I personally know more people hurt by the Obama revenue machine that those helped.

Sorry, that claim was already exposed as bogus.

Do you know anyone who was helped? Any real people?

Wasn't aware that Obama was president already.
But I do know people who have been hurt by Bush.
And I don't see how McCain is going to be doing
anything different than the last 8 years.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 07:40 PM

Sorry, that claim was already exposed as bogus.

I have personally provided him with proof that his La Junta factory story is bogus four times now - yet he keeps repeating it!

Talk about marching in tactical lock step with gramps and the prom queen, eh?

Mr.Meanie

09-10-2008, 07:44 PM

I have personally provided him with proof that his La Junta factory story is bogus four times now - yet he keeps repeating it!

Talk about marching in tactical lock step with gramps and the prom queen, eh?

Shh you're going to make him have to think for himself and that might hurt...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-10-2008, 08:02 PM

Shh you're going to make him have to think for himself and that might hurt...

:laugh:

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 08:27 PM

Why would we see more businesses leave when the tax laws are currently
set up to reward companies that outsource jobs. Under Obama's plan,
companies that create jobs in America would be rewarded, not penalized.
And as far as cutting government spending, a huge saving would be
getting us out of Iraq, which Obama also plans to do.

Tax laws don't reward companies that hire people where they want. Either way, the cost will get pasted on to the customer. The only thing to do is lower taxes across the board and stop government spending. The money spent on Iraq would be great, but Obama has plans for that money in Africa, at least in part. Which accounts for roughly 5 percent of our GDP. SS and Medicare? They account for almost 50 percent of our GDP. Why not start there?

kappys

09-10-2008, 09:15 PM

Tax laws don't reward companies that hire people where they want. Either way, the cost will get pasted on to the customer. The only thing to do is lower taxes across the board and stop government spending. The money spent on Iraq would be great, but Obama has plans for that money in Africa, at least in part. Which accounts for roughly 5 percent of our GDP. SS and Medicare? They account for almost 50 percent of our GDP. Why not start there?

Where the hell do you get these numbers? SS and medicare are hardly 50% of GDP

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:19 PM

Where the hell do you get these numbers? SS and medicare are hardly 50% of GDP

Congressional Budget office

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:26 PM

Where the hell do you get these numbers? SS and medicare are hardly 50% of GDP

I did forget Medicaid.

Baseline for all three 1.3 trillion on a 2.5 trillion budget.

kappys

09-10-2008, 09:28 PM

I did forget Medicaid.

Baseline for all three 1.3 trillion on a 2.5 trillion budget.

Budget is not the same as GDP

Garcia Bronco

09-10-2008, 09:29 PM

Budget is not the same as GDP

I know. but it's just another way of looking at it.

kappys

09-10-2008, 09:34 PM

http://clapso.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/piefy08.gif

Not quite your figures for this year - mainly because of the war though

Pseudofool

09-10-2008, 10:18 PM

He was refering to their campaign policy of which they support. He shouldn't have said it. It was classless. Put the shoe on the other foot and it would be just the same.McCain used the same phrase when referring to Hillary's health plan. Do you even care about the truth, or that just your side wins?

TailgateNut

09-11-2008, 06:27 AM

Now I am really confused. After reading all your posts I thought for certain you were for B. Hussein Obama.

You being confused isn't a NEWSFLASH, it's the norm.

TailgateNut

09-11-2008, 06:32 AM

Unemployment at 6.1%
Gas at $3.60 a gallon
record deficit of 400 billion this year
military at breaking point

...and the repubs wanna talk about lipstick on a pig comment.

Never ceases to amaze me. Country first my ass. If you wonder why this country is going down the shetter look no further. If you don't think it is you aren't paying attention.

Those are minor issues for the republican party. Why go into detail about their criminal assault on our country's fiscal health. As long as the Oil companies and the likes of Halliburton are lining their coffers with record profits all is well in RepukeLand!

Garcia Bronco

09-11-2008, 06:37 AM

http://clapso.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/piefy08.gif

Not quite your figures for this year - mainly because of the war though

The CBO chart I saw had SS, medicare and Medicaid at 54 percent, Defense at 38 percent, and the rest in interest.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-15-2008, 04:47 PM

Johhny Mac denounces Garcia's lies.

McCain says Obama didn't call Palin a pig

By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, Associated Press Writer

31 minutes ago

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Did Barack Obama really call Sarah Palin a pig, as a John McCain ad leads people to believe? "No," McCain said Monday. The Republican presidential nominee defended the ad anyway, saying Obama "chooses his words very carefully."

The implication: Obama was slyly up to something when he said McCain's call for change in Washington is "lipstick on a pig," days after Palin made a lipstick joke at the Republican convention.

"He's very eloquent," McCain told The Associated Press and Florida newspapers in an interview, and "it was the wrong thing to say."

A day earlier, hard-nosed Republican tactician Karl Rove, a former adviser to President Bush, said some of McCain's ads were not truthful and both sides should cool the attacks.

McCain said of Obama's comment: "I didn't like it. So we respond. I think the American people will judge as to whether he and others have treated Governor Palin fairly or not." But he said he won't let attacks go unanswered.
McCain stood up for Palin at other times in the interview.

He was asked about nearly $200 million in congressional pet projects Palin requested for 2009 for her state, despite her boasts that she opposes such projects and his claim that she didn't ask for any. McCain responded by criticizing Obama for seeking more than $900 million in these earmarks, by one count.

"That's nearly a million every day, every working day he's been in Congress," McCain said. "And when you look at some of the planetariums and other foolishness that he asked for, he shouldn't be saying anything about Governor Palin."

Did he call her a pig?" McCain was asked. "No, I but know that he chooses his words carefully, and it was the wrong thing to say," he responded.

McCain cut off a question about the "Bridge to Nowhere," which Palin claims to have killed in Alaska even though Washington pulled back money for the project before she turned against it.

"The important thing is she's vetoed a half a billion dollars in earmark projects — far, far in excess of her predecessor and she's given money back to the taxpayers and she's cut their taxes, so I'm happy with her record," McCain said.

In addition to her current requests, state budget documents show Alaska requested 52 earmarks worth $256 million for 2008.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lipstick

Rigs11

09-15-2008, 04:54 PM