When it Comes to Lobbyists, McCain's a Liar

[Rohirrim]

"Lobbyists don't come to my office."
John McCain


Watchdog Group Demands McCain Fire Lobbyists Davis and Black
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WASHINGTON, May 30 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Campaign Money Watch, a campaign
finance watchdog group, released the following statement from its director
David Donnelly today regarding Sen. John McCain's continuing refusal to remove
lobbyists from positions of power on his campaign:

"In the two-and-a-half weeks since Campaign Money Watch launched
FireTheLobbyists.com, John McCain has failed to fully address the crisis in
his campaign. Despite a handful of departures, as many as 120 lobbyists remain
raising money for, staffing, or advising McCain.

"Given the McCain campaign's weak response to this crisis, immediate and clear
action must be taken. Charlie Black's past role advising such clients as Jonas
Savimbi, terrorist rebel in Angola, Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, and
Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire, in our view, should disqualify him from working on
a campaign to elect the next president of the United States. He ought to be
fired.

"But that alone won't resolve this crisis. Nor will a loophole-ridden internal
'conflict' policy written by lobbyist and campaign manager Rick Davis. As
campaign manager, Davis led the campaign into this crisis and disarray. In
addition, Davis's clientele over the years has included companies with
business in front of McCain's Senate Commerce Committee, and shady foreign
business interests. McCain ought to fire Davis, too.

"A fish rots from the head. The same goes for campaigns that rely on lobbyists
whose only interest is cashing in for their clients regardless of what's right
and what's wrong. As a step in the right direction, McCain ought to remove
Davis and Black immediately.

"McCain's placement of lobbyists at the top of a campaign dominated by other
lobbyists has left him completely without credibility to discuss how to reform
Washington's money swamp. If he does remove lobbyists Davis and Black, John
McCain will still have distance to travel to reform his own campaign before he
could ever reform Washington."

A week ago, Campaign Money Watch released a web ad called "Lobbyists,
lobbyists" to the tune of "Lollipop, lollipop" to describe four top lobbyists'
connections to McCain's campaign. The video can be seen at
www.firethelobbyists.com.

Campaign Money Watch, a project of Public Campaign Action Fund, works to hold
politicians accountable for opposing comprehensive campaign finance reform and
doing special favors for big money donors and lobbyists.

SOURCE Campaign Money Watch

Even more in here:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200808210003

[Rohirrim]

Meet Charlie Black, McCain's top adviser:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Charles_R._Black%2C_Jr.

[Rohirrim]

And what about his campaign manager, Rick Davis?
McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

John McCain's "own campaign manager, Rick Davis, has been a registered lobbyist for GTECH (the world's largest lottery company, which has been under the shadow of possible federal prosecution for years) as recently as June 1999," the Center for Public Integrity reported March 2, 2000.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Davis%2C_Manafort_%26_Freedman%2C_ Inc.

[NaptownChief]

In the name of balance and fairness I assume you are getting ready to post your "Obama Is A Liar About American Terrorist Bill Ayers"?

[Rohirrim]

In the name of balance and fairness I assume you are getting ready to post your "Obama Is A Liar About American Terrorist Bill Ayers"?

Nice deflection. I guess you can't face the fact that your boy is a liar.

[NaptownChief]

Nice deflection. I guess you can't face the fact that your boy is a liar.


And yours isn't? Not only a liar but given what he is lying about it is very possible that he is an Anti-American liar.

[TheDave]

And yours isn't? Not only a liar but given what he is lying about it is very possible that he is an Anti-American liar.


You lose a lot of credibility when your only out is the "Anti-American" schtick. What's next "He took his oath on the Koran"?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And yours isn't? Not only a liar but given what he is lying about it is very possible that he is an Anti-American liar.

If this were the case, then wouldn't you and your fellow wingnuts have some actual proof?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And what about his campaign manager, Rick Davis?
McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm

John McCain's "own campaign manager, Rick Davis, has been a registered lobbyist for GTECH (the world's largest lottery company, which has been under the shadow of possible federal prosecution for years) as recently as June 1999," the Center for Public Integrity reported March 2, 2000.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Davis%2C_Manafort_%26_Freedman%2C_ Inc.

Unbelievable, isn't it?

He's against lobbyists, but his campaign manager is one of the biggest lobbyists in Washington.

How do the rightards reconcile this sort of contradiction in their minds?

[Rigs11]

And yours isn't? Not only a liar but given what he is lying about it is very possible that he is an Anti-American liar.

Is ayers part of obama's staff?

[TheDave]

Believe it or not McCain just blamed the Fanni/Freddie fiasco on Lobbiyst's... They even went on to say that wouldn't happen in "Their Washington"

Only problem... McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis was a Fannie/Freddie Lobbyist

[Rohirrim]

And yours isn't? Not only a liar but given what he is lying about it is very possible that he is an Anti-American liar.

And today's slimeball, lying ad from the lying scumbag McCain accuses Obama of passing a bill that teaches sex ed to 5 year olds, except that it was a program to teach children what to do if confronted with a pedophile and how to recognize bad touching by a pedophile.

Perhaps McCain has some reason to protect pedophiles? After all, there's no denying the Republican Party is the party of pedophiles. Plenty of evidence for that. Maybe McCain is just responding to the pedophile lobby?

[alkemical]

Believe it or not McCain just blamed the Fanni/Freddie fiasco on Lobbiyst's... They even went on to say that wouldn't happen in "Their Washington"

Only problem... McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis was a Fannie/Freddie Lobbyist


It drives me nuts man.... I had the thread "i hate your party, tell me why i should vote for your guy"

People quit because i started chipping away at how full of **** both guys are Dave.

Mccain is anti lobbyist - bull **** - explain the telecom immunity bill

Obama sticks by his word: Bull **** - he reupped the patriot act after he said he wouldn't.

**** them, and **** any one of you who votes for these clowns.

[TailgateNut]

And today's slimeball, lying ad from the lying scumbag McCain accuses Obama of passing a bill that teaches sex ed to 5 year olds, except that it was a program to teach children what to do if confronted with a pedophile and how to recognize bad touching by a pedophile.

Perhaps McCain has some reason to protect pedophiles? After all, there's no denying the Republican Party is the party of pedophiles. Plenty of evidence for that. Maybe McCain is just responding to the pedophile lobby?

I"m utterly amazed at the audacity of the McCain-Palin ads. Amazed they they have the balls to "serve" them to the public, and amazed that many Americans are consuming the garbage placed on their plate.

Evolution has only benefitted a small percentage of Americans (the rest still believe in creationism)!

[Rohirrim]

It drives me nuts man.... I had the thread "i hate your party, tell me why i should vote for your guy"

People quit because i started chipping away at how full of **** both guys are Dave.

Mccain is anti lobbyist - bull **** - explain the telecom immunity bill

Obama sticks by his word: Bull **** - he reupped the patriot act after he said he wouldn't.

**** them, and **** any one of you who votes for these clowns.

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for McCain. STFU

[alkemical]

A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for McCain. STFU

I guess selling your soul is acceptable. Good to know you are part of the problem too Ro~. Vote for status quo and continue to b**** about how things fall apart. Good job at at keeping failure at such a high success level.

Don't like hearing how Obama is a liar - **** you. Keep your ears shut, cut out your own eyes so you don't have to see what you've committed to. It's the American way. "Don't blame me, i voted for the other evil".

**** you

[TheDave]

It drives me nuts man.... I had the thread "i hate your party, tell me why i should vote for your guy"

People quit because i started chipping away at how full of **** both guys are Dave.

Mccain is anti lobbyist - bull **** - explain the telecom immunity bill

Obama sticks by his word: Bull **** - he reupped the patriot act after he said he wouldn't.

**** them, and **** any one of you who votes for these clowns.

As is often in these situations it is the lesser of evils... Neither candidate is perfect, but I will not go throough 4 more years of GWB.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

As is often in these situations it is the lesser of evils... Neither candidate is perfect, but I will not go throough 4 more years of GWB.

+1

[alkemical]

As is often in these situations it is the lesser of evils... Neither candidate is perfect, but I will not go throough 4 more years of GWB.


Why is voting for evil palatable? I mean seriously - explain to me how voting for the "lesser" evil is the "right" thing to do?

[Rohirrim]

I guess selling your soul is acceptable. Good to know you are part of the problem too Ro~. Vote for status quo and continue to b**** about how things fall apart. Good job at at keeping failure at such a high success level.

Don't like hearing how Obama is a liar - **** you. Keep your ears shut, cut out your own eyes so you don't have to see what you've committed to. It's the American way. "Don't blame me, i voted for the other evil".

**** you

Obama may not be the best candidate on the planet, but evil? You've been watching too many cartoons. Take a pill.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Believe it or not McCain just blamed the Fanni/Freddie fiasco on Lobbiyst's... They even went on to say that wouldn't happen in "Their Washington"

Only problem... McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis was a Fannie/Freddie Lobbyist

Ooops! Ha!

I amazed (and alarmed) that this guy is able to lie so blatantly and the "liberal" media refuses to call him on it.

[Rohirrim]

Ooops! Ha!

I amazed (and alarmed) that this guy is able to lie so blatantly and the "liberal" media refuses to call him on it.

McCain is using the old Rove technique of attacking the media for bias every time they get close to asking a serious question. He knows the media is so chicken ****, they'll fold like a cheap suit. And he's right. Obama will need to fight his own fights. The media is gutless.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain is using the old Rove technique of attacking the media for bias every time they get close to asking a serious question. He knows the media is so chicken ****, they'll fold like a cheap suit. And he's right. Obama will need to fight his own fights. The media is gutless.

He's right - the tactic is working.

Olberman has done more for MSNBC's ratings than anything the network has tried in the last ten years, but the network once again allowed itself to be cowed by the right.

Phil Donahue redux.

Not a good sign!

[alkemical]

Obama may not be the best candidate on the planet, but evil? You've been watching too many cartoons. Take a pill.

As is often in these situations it is the lesser of evils... Neither candidate is perfect, but I will not go throough 4 more years of GWB.


Maybe you need some fiber this morning Ro~

[Rohirrim]

Maybe you need some fiber this morning Ro~

Sounds like you need some menudo.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ames has this same meltdown every four years around this time.

Move along - nothing to see here, folks. ;)

[alkemical]

Sounds like you need some menudo.

Well, you've been hitting the jenkem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem) pretty hard so i'd have to take your posts with a grain of ****. Sorry your boy Obama is another worthless presidential canidate that won't do anything to make America any better. It is what it is - i'm sorry you don't like the fact of it. But don't get pissy because that's what the truth is.

[alkemical]

Ames has this same meltdown every four years around this time.

Move along - nothing to see here, folks. ;)

Gee i wonder why - i live in a country full of dumb ****s that continue to vote for "evil".

[BroncoInferno]

And yours isn't? Not only a liar but given what he is lying about it is very possible that he is an Anti-American liar.

When you and your ring-wing idiot buddies dig up some real proof on this, let us know. In the meantime, this thread is about the McCain lies that have been proven.

[Rohirrim]

Ames has this same meltdown every four years around this time.

Move along - nothing to see here, folks. ;)

:rofl: This is one of his better ones. I can just picture him sitting in front of his PC this AM, wearing a garlic necklace and burning sage to ward off "EVIL."

[alkemical]

:rofl: This is one of his better ones. I can just picture him sitting in front of his PC this AM, wearing a garlic necklace and burning sage to ward off "EVIL."

The general populace of American voters, state they are voting for the "lesser of two evils" - so tell me again why is voting for "evil" acceptable? Don't "we" demand better?

Or is it, i guess - easier to actually "kill the messenger" because you don't like to look in the mirror and ask yourself that very same question.

Hmmm, gee - i guess the ad hominem attack just answers the question - doesn't it.

[TailgateNut]

Sounds like you need some menudo.

:rofl:

[Rohirrim]

The general populace of American voters, state they are voting for the "lesser of two evils" - so tell me again why is voting for "evil" acceptable? Don't "we" demand better?

Or is it, i guess - easier to actually "kill the messenger" because you don't like to look in the mirror and ask yourself that very same question.

Hmmm, gee - i guess the ad hominem attack just answers the question - doesn't it.

"Lesser of two evils" is just a phrase, like "putting lipstick on a pig," or "**** for brains."

[alkemical]

"Lesser of two evils" is just a phrase, like "putting lipstick on a pig," or "**** for brains."

So then you are happy with the "Competition" that both "major" political parties have offered up to us, the citizens - the voters - the people who actually inherit this country?

Would you actually have voted for an R if it was better than Obama?

[BroncoInferno]

The general populace of American voters, state they are voting for the "lesser of two evils" - so tell me again why is voting for "evil" acceptable? Don't "we" demand better?

Or is it, i guess - easier to actually "kill the messenger" because you don't like to look in the mirror and ask yourself that very same question.

Hmmm, gee - i guess the ad hominem attack just answers the question - doesn't it.

Josh, I think "lesser of two evils" is generally a hyperbolic statement. Although I support Obama, I don't think McCain is "evil." I just think the policies he want to implement/continue are bad for the country. On the other hand I feel, on the balance, Obama's proposed policies will put us back on the right track. I do not agree with him on everything (anyone who finds themselves in agreement with any other human being 100% of the time simply isn't thinking), but I think he will take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to the office, and listen to and consider opposing view points. That alone will be an improvement. Just my thoughts.

[alkemical]

Josh, I think "lesser of two evils" is generally a hyperbolic statement. Although I support Obama, I don't think McCain is "evil." I just think the policies he want to implement/continue are bad for the country. On the other hand I feel, on the balance, Obama's proposed policies will put us back on the right track. I do not agree with him on everything (anyone who finds themselves in agreement with any other human being 100% of the time simply isn't thinking), but I think he will take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to the office, and listen to and consider opposing view points. That alone will be an improvement. Just my thoughts.

What i'm getting at - is why do people accept the LESSER? Why are people happy with ****? Why don't people demand more.

I respect your opinions for why you are voting for Obama. I can't stand him after looking at his voting record for civil rights issues (telecom bill, patriot act, etc) -

What i'm trying to figure out, is WHY people accept the lesser - why people are happy with what they are TOLD to accept.

[Rohirrim]

So then you are happy with the "Competition" that both "major" political parties have offered up to us, the citizens - the voters - the people who actually inherit this country?

Would you actually have voted for an R if it was better than Obama?

No, I'm not "happy" about it. But then, I don't expect utopia to come from the political process. I just want to keep my sons from getting drafted into oil wars.

[Spider]

Josh, I think "lesser of two evils" is generally a hyperbolic statement. Although I support Obama, I don't think McCain is "evil." I just think the policies he want to implement/continue are bad for the country. On the other hand I feel, on the balance, Obama's proposed policies will put us back on the right track. I do not agree with him on everything (anyone who finds themselves in agreement with any other human being 100% of the time simply isn't thinking), but I think he will take an intellectual, pragmatic approach to the office, and listen to and consider opposing view points. That alone will be an improvement. Just my thoughts.

Of course mcCain isnt evil .... well not by my definition ..... But mcCain is dead wrong on the issues ...... Obama and I disagree on some issues , but not to the point where i wont vote for him

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Although I support Obama, I don't think McCain is "evil." I just think the policies he want to implement/continue are bad for the country.

You're far more charitable and diplomatic than I. ;)

For me, the line where "bad" crossed into "evil" was right about here...

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays8p/mcain-bush-hug.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What i'm trying to figure out, is WHY people accept the lesser - why people are happy with what they are TOLD to accept.

You never answered my question:

Do you think it's possible to get a third party candidate elected this year?

If so, how?

What needs to be done?

[TailgateNut]

No, I'm not "happy" about it. But then, I don't expect utopia to come from the political process. I just want to keep my sons from getting drafted into oil wars.

If Claviucolomisosm would just understand that the "perfect world" has'nt existed since the days of the dinosaurs, and most likely will never exist again, life in his world would be better.

[alkemical]

No, I'm not "happy" about it. But then, I don't expect utopia to come from the political process. I just want to keep my sons from getting drafted into oil wars.


Are other wars just as acceptable?

[alkemical]

You never answered my question:

Do you think it's possible to get a third party candidate elected this year?

If so, how?

What needs to be done?

Actually - i did:

Well, my ideal Utopian world doesn't exist (I call it Enlightened Anarchy - ala HD Thoreau, etc). That's just it, perfect doesn't exist. But you have to demand and push for it, eventually you get a moment - and that's all you get.

If you continue to play by the rules that are set, to keep the status quo - status quo - you are part of the problem. You hear these guys talking about change, but there is no change.

So there isn't a perfect person - but my standards are higher. I refuse to vote for "evil" because i'm told that those are my options. Not true. I have other options.

Funny how doing the right thing isn't popular, but choosing the popular choice(s) aren't the right thing to do.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Actually - i did:

Can you give me something more concrete re: what needs to be done to bring about this utopia you envision?

[BroncoInferno]

What i'm getting at - is why do people accept the LESSER? Why are people happy with ****? Why don't people demand more.

I respect your opinions for why you are voting for Obama. I can't stand him after looking at his voting record for civil rights issues (telecom bill, patriot act, etc) -

What i'm trying to figure out, is WHY people accept the lesser - why people are happy with what they are TOLD to accept.

Good question. Personally, I think when you hear a lot of people complain about not liking the two candidates and voting for the "lesser", it's just lip service. It's a fad to pretend to be above the fray, to not be tied to anything ideologically, but when it comes to putting up or shutting up most people vote for the guy on their team. I think this is another factor. American politics has two "teams" that people side with. It becomes less about individuals and ideas, and more about the "team." These Repubs on the board who claim that they won't vote for McCain...I don't buy it. At the end of the day, they will pull the lever for him, IMHO. Same with the Hillary voters who say they'll go McCain. I don't buy it.

[Spider]

Good question. Personally, I think when you hear a lot of people complain about not liking the two candidates and voting for the "lesser", it's just lip service. It's a fad to pretend to be above the fray, to not be tied to anything ideologically, but when it comes to putting up or shutting up most people vote for the guy on their team. I think this is another factor. American politics has two "teams" that people side with. It becomes less about individuals and ideas, and more about the "team." These Repubs on the board who claim that they won't vote for McCain...I don't buy it. At the end of the day, they will pull the lever for him, IMHO. Same with the Hillary voters who say they'll go McCain. I don't buy it.

dayummmmmmmmmm ...... very not bad .. very not bad at all ;D

[alkemical]

Can you give me something more concrete re: what needs to be done to bring about this utopia you envision?

I don't believe in utopias. But nothing will change till we hit the bottom of the barrel.

[Spider]

I don't believe in utopias. But nothing will change till we hit the bottom of the barrel.

wrong . there is utopia ...Monday night 2 minutes left in the4 th quarter of the Bronco game ........doesnt get any better then that

[alkemical]

Good question. Personally, I think when you hear a lot of people complain about not liking the two candidates and voting for the "lesser", it's just lip service. It's a fad to pretend to be above the fray, to not be tied to anything ideologically, but when it comes to putting up or shutting up most people vote for the guy on their team. I think this is another factor. American politics has two "teams" that people side with. It becomes less about individuals and ideas, and more about the "team." These Repubs on the board who claim that they won't vote for McCain...I don't buy it. At the end of the day, they will pull the lever for him, IMHO. Same with the Hillary voters who say they'll go McCain. I don't buy it.

Agreed. - but it still doesn't help me understand the WHY.

[alkemical]

wrong . there is utopia ...Monday night 2 minutes left in the4 th quarter of the Bronco game ........doesnt get any better then that

lol

[Spider]

lol

;D we can create our own utopia ......even if it is just a temporary place to escape

[alkemical]

;D we can create our own utopia ......even if it is just a temporary place to escape

Now you know the secret to whom is the magician who makes the grass green..... :wave: