Obama and Biden voted for the bridge to nowhere. LOL

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/obama-and-biden-voted-for-bridge-to-nowhere,1628/

[TheDave]

The bridge is listed in section 186 of over 700 sections... Point being there was a little more to this than just the bridge.

That and only one person voted no... 94 ayes to 1 nay and 6 no votes (McCain being 1... does that count as a "present" vote)

[Garcia Bronco]

The bridge is listed in section 186 of over 700 sections... Point being there was a little more to this than just the bridge.

That and only one person voted no... 94 ayes to 1 nay and 6 no votes (McCain being 1... does that count as a "present" vote)

That's still no excuse, unless we are ready to admit that this is a infrastructure line item and neither Obama or Biden, and probably McCain actually read what they vote on.

The amusing pasrt is the Obama camp and supporters like to bring this up about Palin. Yet all she did was request funds. Obama and Biden actually voted for it.

[BroncoInferno]

That's still no excuse, unless we are ready to admit that this is a infrastructure line item and neither Obama or Biden, and probably McCain actually read what they vote on.

The amusing pasrt is the Obama camp and supporters like to bring this up about Palin. Yet all she did was request funds. Obama and Biden actually voted for it.

The difference is she claimed to have said "thanks, but no thanks" when before that she was in favor of it. It is the dishonesty that is issue here.

[TheDave]

That's still no excuse, unless we are ready to admit that this is a infrastructure line item and neither Obama or Biden, and probably McCain actually read what they vote on.

The amusing pasrt is the Obama camp and supporters like to bring this up about Palin. Yet all she did was request funds. Obama and Biden actually voted for it.


Yawn... Your going to need to do better than bitch about a bill that all but 1 person voted yes on. Unfortunately Garcia, this is how our system works. Bills with 700+ sections sometimes have line items you do not agree with.

[MO<1>]

I'll bet Obama meant to vote present!

[Garcia Bronco]

Yawn... Your going to need to do better than b**** about a bill that all but 1 person voted yes on. Unfortunately Garcia, this is how our system works. Bills with 700+ sections sometimes have line items you do not agree with.

It's still an infrastructure project and shouldn't be a big deal either way. But again if Obama supporters are going to complain about the expenditure, then they have to swallow the fact that the entire democratic ticket voted for it.

[BroncoInferno]

It's still an infrastructure project and shouldn't be a big deal either way. But again if Obama supporters are going to complain about the expenditure, then they have to swallow the fact that the entire democratic ticket voted for it.

Dude, what don't you get about the fact that Palin lied about her position on the subject? That is the issue here.

[MO<1>]

Dude, what don't you get about the fact that Palin lied about her position on the subject? That is the issue here.

She lied about turning it down? I don't recall her saying she did not turn it down. I truly believe you hope someone lied. With such a narrow focus, how can you be sure?

[BroncoInferno]

She lied about turning it down? I don't recall her saying she did not turn it down. I truly believe you hope someone lied. With such a narrow focus, how can you be sure?

Fine, "misrepresented" then. She said "thanks, but no thanks" to the bridge after a year earlier being in favor of it.

[socalorado]

She lied about turning it down? I don't recall her saying she did not turn it down. I truly believe you hope someone lied. With such a narrow focus, how can you be sure?

Let me get this straight.
obama (and now biden as well) both supported the building of this bridge?
Is that correct?

[Garcia Bronco]

Dude, what don't you get about the fact that Palin lied about her position on the subject? That is the issue here.

She had to say those things because of the ill-informed bitching and moaning. I don't fault anyone for that, even Obama.

[Garcia Bronco]

Let me get this straight.
obama (and now biden as well) both supported the building of this bridge?
Is that correct?

They voted for the bill that the funding was in. It's just rather amusing. McCain did not vote for it.

[socalorado]

They voted for the bill that the funding was in. It's just rather amusing. McCain did not vote for it.

very amusing indeed. The hits just keep on comin for obama.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Straws. Grasping. Garcia

[Garcia Bronco]

Straws. Grasping. Garcia

More like an achored dynamic rope, aka good enough to catch you falling off a mountain. You can't have it both ways.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Oh you can't? Ask John McCain?

[McCain] grandstanded against the Bush capital-gains and dividend tax cuts and even co-sponsored an amendment with Tom Daschle to scuttle the reduction in the highest income-tax rates. Why? “I just thought it was too tilted to the wealthy and I still do. I want to cut the taxes on the middle class.” Even when I confront him with emphatic evidence that those tax cuts have been an economic triumph and have increased revenues, he is unrepentant and defends his “no” vote by falling back on class-warfare type thinking: “We have a wealth gap in this country, and that worries me.”

[socalorado]

Oh you can't? Ask John McCain?

[McCain] grandstanded against the Bush capital-gains and dividend tax cuts and even co-sponsored an amendment with Tom Daschle to scuttle the reduction in the highest income-tax rates. Why? “I just thought it was too tilted to the wealthy and I still do. I want to cut the taxes on the middle class.” Even when I confront him with emphatic evidence that those tax cuts have been an economic triumph and have increased revenues, he is unrepentant and defends his “no” vote by falling back on class-warfare type thinking: “We have a wealth gap in this country, and that worries me.”

So McCain was against the bush capital gains-tax cuts and co-sponsored a a amendment?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

So McCain was against the bush capital gains-tax cuts and co-sponsored a a amendment?

And now he's fully for em. It's interesting how his economic concerns have done a total 180 in the past few years. But then again, this is the guy who claimed he doesnt know much about economics.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Just another note on this bridge to nowhere thing. I really hope McCain and Palin use this as a campaign tactic, because their deception is blatant. So blatant even the WSJ has called them out on it. No matter how often you say something, it doesnt mean its true. Hopefully the american people will wake up and realize they are a bunch of liars.

Also, did anyone read David Brooks' column today where he called the republicans not intellectual to govern? Last week he said somethiong about how there werent enough good republicans to run a government. This guy is a right winger...id love him to elaborate on that

[Rigs11]

The point of this whole bridge thing is that Palin keeps lying about the bridge on a daily basis. And rightards either know she is lying and accept it,or are too stupid to realize that she is lying.

[NaptownChief]

It is the dishonesty that is issue here.



Right and Obama only "lives in the same neighborhood" as Bill Ayers.

[MO<1>]

The point of this whole bridge thing is that Palin keeps lying about the bridge on a daily basis. And rightards either know she is lying and accept it,or are too stupid to realize that she is lying.

This is really a convincing argument you presented.
1. First an unbased accusation of lying. Did she say she didn't accept the funds when she did?
2. You then debase anyone that does not agree with your faulty logic.

Your arguement only convinces reasonable people that this whole issue hurts Obama's credibility and is a dodge of the $1 Billion he sought for his district in his first term in the senate. Any argumentative assistance you thought Obama deserved has been soiled by your lack of communicating anything but hate and hurt.

I love America.

[Garcia Bronco]

This is really a convincing argument you presented.
1. First an unbased accusation of lying. Did she say she didn't accept the funds when she did?
2. You then debase anyone that does not agree with your faulty logic.

Your arguement only convinces reasonable people that this whole issue hurts Obama's credibility and is a dodge of the $1 Billion he sought for his district in his first term in the senate. Any argumentative assistance you thought Obama deserved has been soiled by your lack of communicating anything but hate and hurt.

I love America.

LOL. Rigs11 can't sell his ideas.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

You guys can keep flinging **** at obama, but I dont know how you can continue to defend a candidate that has lied about pretty much everything and continues to do so on the campaign trail. Republicans really have subscribed to the "if we say we'll change enough times, i guess people will believe it" And it seems to be working, it's quite sad

[Meck77]

You know Garcia the democrats in here only see things as black or white. They can't seem to admit that much of our country problems are at the hands of democrats and republicans and much of it has to do with LOCAL policty. Hell I sat and watched the Colorado House of Reps debate the 2009 budget and the democrats pushed for every damn cent to be spent. Basically Colorado has NO CASH reserves. Some republicans argued that maybe we should have some "rainy day" or "emergency funds" and the democrats outnumbered them and passed it anyway. Colorado is sinking financially at the hands of the democrats right now. But hey I'll save you guys the bandwidth. It's all George Bush's fault.

Colorado is going to see an unprecedented amount of tax increases if the dems keep control of the capital. The school system needs 2.5 Billion, CDOT(Colorado Dept of Transportation) needs and extra couple billion per year, RTD needs about 5 billion now to finish their mess. It's going to get ugly. Real ugly. Something has to give. Unfortunately it might be our school system.

[Garcia Bronco]

You guys can keep flinging **** at obama, but I dont know how you can continue to defend a candidate that has lied about pretty much everything and continues to do so on the campaign trail. Republicans really have subscribed to the "if we say we'll change enough times, i guess people will believe it" And it seems to be working, it's quite sad

You might as well quit then.

[Garcia Bronco]

You know Garcia the democrats in here only see things as black or white. They can't seem to admit that much of our country problems are at the hands of democrats and republicans and much of it has to do with LOCAL policty. Hell I sat and watched the Colorado House of Reps debate the 2009 budget and the democrats pushed for every damn cent to be spent. Basically Colorado has NO CASH reserves. Some republicans argued that maybe we should have some "rainy day" or "emergency funds" and the democrats outnumbered them and passed it anyway. Colorado is sinking financially at the hands of the democrats right now. But hey I'll save you guys the bandwidth. It's all George Bush's fault.

Colorado is going to see an unprecedented amount of tax increases if the dems keep control of the capital. The school system needs 2.5 Billion, CDOT needs and extra couple billion per year, RTD needs about 5 billion now. It's going to get ugly. Real ugly.


You know those folks in the legislature don't do their own finances that way. They need to stop spending period and lower taxes, but they won't do it.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

You know those folks in the legislature don't do their own finances that way. They need to stop spending period and lower taxes, but they won't do it.

Again, somehow blaming the last 8 years on us...amazing

[Garcia Bronco]

Again, somehow blaming the last 8 years on us...amazing

Who's us? Are you in the legislature?

Meck and I were refering to the CSL.

But if you would to discuss bills passed in Congress and where we are today. I would be glad to. Pick your bill of choice and start a thread.

[Rigs11]

LOL. Rigs11 can't sell his ideas.

Garcia needs ideas sold to him. Hence the reason he is a closet repub.

[Garcia Bronco]

Garcia needs ideas sold to him. Hence the reason he is a closet repub.

Whatever you say, "rightard". :)

[Rigs11]

This is really a convincing argument you presented.
1. First an unbased accusation of lying. Did she say she didn't accept the funds when she did?
2. You then debase anyone that does not agree with your faulty logic.

Your arguement only convinces reasonable people that this whole issue hurts Obama's credibility and is a dodge of the $1 Billion he sought for his district in his first term in the senate. Any argumentative assistance you thought Obama deserved has been soiled by your lack of communicating anything but hate and hurt.

I love America.

No genius she said that she told congress no, but what she failed to mention was that she only said no after congress said she wasn't gonna get the money.Oohh that's a real maverick.All she has been spewing for the past 10 days is a rehash of the speech that she didn't even write. Simpletons like you are buying it in droves. Wait till Oct 2nd.Hilarious!

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

[Rigs11]

Whatever you say, "rightard". :)

Ok "Independent":rofl:

[Garcia Bronco]

Ok "Independent":rofl:

Registered as one. And you?

[MO<1>]

No genius she said that she told congress no, but what she failed to mention was that she only said no after congress said she wasn't gonna get the money.Oohh that's a real maverick.All she has been spewing for the past 10 days is a rehash of the speech that she didn't even write. Simpletons like you are buying it in droves. Wait till Oct 2nd.Hilarious!

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901

Not true again. Congress (including Obama, Reid, Stevens, Biden, Pelozi, and McCain) vote YES to the bill with the earmark. Since it arrived in the Federal Interstate Highway Fund, Gov Palin used the funding on something that was really needed. This is her executive priveledge as governor. Where are you learning all your itellectual ammo? Thanks for breaking down into debasing anyone with an opposing idea and trying to bully people out of thier constitutional rights.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The difference is she claimed to have said "thanks, but no thanks" when before that she was in favor of it. It is the dishonesty that is issue here.

Ding ding ding! :yep:

This is the same point the mouth-breathers who support her don't get when it comes to the subject of earmarks as well.

[BroncoInferno]

Right and Obama only "lives in the same neighborhood" as Bill Ayers.

You got anything other than innuendo to go on? Didn't think so. Wanna talk about the Keating 5 scandal?

[BroncoInferno]

You know Garcia the democrats in here only see things as black or white.

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have read here in awhile. It is the Republican party who has tried to devolve every issue into black-and-white, yes-or-no questions. When someone like Obama or Kerry recognizes the complexity of an issue and tries to give a (appropriately) nuanced answer in response, the stooges on the right claim they don't stand for anything and they don't believe in anything, or that they are just trying to straddle the fence so they won't piss anyone off. That type of idiocy come courtesy the GOP. You have it directly backwards, sir.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have read here in awhile....

Consider the source. ;)

[Garcia Bronco]

This is one of the most ridiculous things I have read here in awhile. It is the Republican party who has tried to devolve every issue into black-and-white, yes-or-no questions. When someone like Obama or Kerry recognizes the complexity of an issue and tries to give a (appropriately) nuanced answer in response, the stooges on the right claim they don't stand for anything and they don't believe in anything, or that they are just trying to straddle the fence so they won't piss anyone off. That type of idiocy come courtesy the GOP. You have it directly backwards, sir.

I think it's fair to say that both sides do it as they see fit to keep power.

[BroncoInferno]

I think it's fair to say that both sides do it as they see fit to keep power.

No, the Republicans have made this a tactic. Democrats typically try to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers but are then attacked as wishy-washy blowhards. It is a uniquely GOP tactic to try and make every issue black-and-white, then to attack their opponent if they don't respond in those terms.

[Garcia Bronco]

No, the Republicans have made this a tactic. Democrats typically try to give more thoughtful, nuanced answers but are then attacked as wishy-washy blowhards. It is a uniquely GOP tactic to try and make every issue black-and-white, then to attack their opponent if they don't respond in those terms.

I disagree. both sides do it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I disagree. both sides do it.

Of course you do - you're a republican, and wrongfully accusing your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing is also a well-known GOP tactic.

[Garcia Bronco]

Of course you do - you're a republican, and wrongfully accusing your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing is also a well-known GOP tactic.

I am not registered republican. I am a registered independent. So now that you've gotten all that out of system.

[scttgrd]

Stop supporting a candidate and suppport the issues, till people stop getting crushes on the flavor of the month and start considering where the candidates stand on the important things that matter we will continue to have a mess.

[Garcia Bronco]

Stop supporting a candidate and suppport the issues, till people stop getting crushes on the flavor of the month and start considering where the candidates stand on the important things that matter we will continue to have a mess.

What issue would you like to discuss?

[Bronco Bob]

This is really a convincing argument you presented.
1. First an unbased accusation of lying. Did she say she didn't accept the funds when she did?


Yes, she said she didn't accept the funds when she did. What part don't you understand?

[frerottenextelway]

That's still no excuse, unless we are ready to admit that this is a infrastructure line item and neither Obama or Biden, and probably McCain actually read what they vote on.

The amusing pasrt is the Obama camp and supporters like to bring this up about Palin. Yet all she did was request funds. Obama and Biden actually voted for it.

Holy crap you have no idea how this stuff works.

Let me give you a beginner's 101 breakdown.

- earmarks are generally funds for specific projects put on much broader bills

- most earmarks are done by the majority party because they generally control the committees

- you cannot vote for part of the bill, it's all or nothing

So, in sum, you're "all she did was request funds" line is amusing since, you know, that is the entire problem.

[MO<1>]

Today Senator Jim DeMint had a column in the Wall Street Journal. He points out as we did, that the Alaska Democratic Party gave Palin credit for being fiscally responsible and for killing the bridge project when the revised estimates for ythe project pushed the price into the stratosphere.

Here is an excerpt:

Mrs. Palin used her veto pen to slash more local projects than any other governor in the state’s history. She cut nearly 10% of Alaska’s budget this year, saving state residents $268 million. This included vetoing a $30,000 van for Campfire USA and $200,000 for a tennis court irrigation system. She succinctly justified these cuts by saying they were “not a state responsibility.”

Meanwhile in Washington, Mr. Obama voted for numerous wasteful earmarks last year, including: $12 million for bicycle paths, $450,000 for the International Peace Museum, $500,000 for a baseball stadium and $392,000 for a visitor’s center in Louisiana.

Mrs. Palin cut Alaska’s federal earmark requests in half last year, one of the strongest moves against earmarks by any governor. It took real leadership to buck Alaska’s decades-long earmark addiction. Hilarious!

http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/palin-obama-biden-earmarksbut-whose-name-is-missing/

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sarah Palin: Pork Queen, Alaska's Joe Stengel (http://www.coloradopols.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=7B6677D824AFF2543A67557CAC FFC710?diaryId=7310)

by: ThillyWabbit (http://www.coloradopols.com/userDiary.do;jsessionid=7B6677D824AFF2543A67557CAC FFC710?personId=6357)

Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:09:51 AM MDT

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090803088.html?hpid=topnews) for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business. Her defense seems to be that she's not quite as corrupt as Frank Murkowski because the hundreds of thousands of dollars she bilked taxpayers for was for commercial airfare rather than a state-owned jet.
For the uninitiated, Republican minority leader Joe Stengel was drummed out of the state legislature (http://coloradopols.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1019) for his per diem abuses that seem minor by comparison.
Meanwhile, John McCain and Sarah Palin have lied at least 23 times since Friday (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/09/palin-bridge-23/) about her supposed opposition to the "bridge to nowhere."


http://www.coloradopols.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7310

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sarah Palin, Pork Queen

"I told Congress, thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere," Sarah Palin recently told a crowd of McCain followers to much applause. John McCain has made fighting corruption, and specifically the practice of awarding earmarks, a central issue in his campaign. John McCain's campaign released an ad earlier this year specifically citing Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere," calling it "outrageous." The 233 million dollar project (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1658/project.html) was to connect the city (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1532/city.html) of Ketchikan with Gravina Island, which in the 2000 census, had a population of 50 people. McCain has touted Palin as a reformer, someone who also has fought corruption and government waste.

What the McCain campaign doesn't want mentioned is that Palin ran for Governor of Alaska in 2006 voicing her support of the Bridge to Nowhere. When the Bridge to Nowhere sparked nationwide outrage she changed her position, stating that the bridge wasn't needed, but Alaska didn't return the 233 million dollars to the federal government. Alaska simply used the money (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1358/money.html) for other transportation projects. In a particularly absurd twist, a road on Gravina Island that was to connect to the Ketchikan- Gravina Island bridge is still being built. It's a road that will now lead to an empty beach. Why is it still being built? Because if it wasn't, the money (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1358/money.html) for that part of the project (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1658/project.html) would had to have been returned.

In fact, Palin's political career (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1590/career.html) is a tale of vote-winning pork projects that paved her way from the tiny berg of Wasila, right to the governor's mansion. In 2000, as the mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired the firm Hoffman Silver Gilman & Blasco to bring home (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1349/home.html) the bacon to Wasilla, resulting in $26.9 million worth of earmarks by 2004 for the town of 9,700 people. In fact, according to the Anchorage Daily News, Palin herself appeared in front of congress in 2000 requesting earmarks.

To understand the amount of federal earmark money (http://www.associatedcontent.com/theme/1358/money.html) slathered on Wasilla, Alaska during Palin's term compare it with Boise, Idaho. In the fiscal year 2008, Boise, with a population of 190,000 received 6.9 million in earmarks. Wasilla, Alaska, in 2002 received 6.1.

[Bronco Bob]

Meanwhile in Washington, Mr. Obama voted for numerous wasteful earmarks last year, including: $12 million for bicycle paths,

[QUOTE] Considering we are in an energy crisis, not to mention chronic
obesity, how exactly are bike paths wasteful? I consider that money
well spent. Save gas and reduce the waistline at the same time.


[QUOTE]

$450,000 for the International Peace Museum,

You against peace?


$500,000 for a baseball stadium

Got a problem with Baseball?

and $392,000 for a visitor’s center in Louisiana.

Every heard of Hurricane Katrina? A lot of tourists visit New Orleans.
Which create jobs.