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frerottenextelway
09-06-2008, 08:07 AM
... at least that is how John McCain and his camp are treating her. It's been 8 days since she was announced as his running mate, and there hasn't been a single press conference - and his staff has just confirmed why.

If she goes out and makes a mistake, that is something that (voters will) care about, and that's something that will haunt (McCain) for awhile, so I think this is a smart move.

Fascinating, McCain -- who previously said the most important thing about a VP is his/her ability to be President -- picked a running mate who has so little clue what's going on in the world that he needs to hide her.

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Mr.Meanie
09-06-2008, 08:14 AM
Well it's smart. I can't imagine his campaign would throw her out there to be complete humiliated on her lack of foreign policy knowledge for example...

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-06-2008, 08:30 AM
Well it's smart. I can't imagine his campaign would throw her out there to be complete humiliated on her lack of foreign policy knowledge for example...

Hey, who cares about foreign policy knowledge - what's important is whether she's the kind of gal you could have a beer with or not. ;)

Rohirrim
09-06-2008, 08:34 AM
I think this an outrage. I can't believe the American people are just yawning about this. It just shows how unbelievably apathetic the American people have become. What McCain is trying to do is continue the policy of Bush of controlling the press.

Spider
09-06-2008, 08:38 AM
Well it's smart. I can't imagine his campaign would throw her out there to be complete humiliated on her lack of foreign policy knowledge for example...

Lack of Foreign Policy ? you got to be kidding , she was a mayor of Wasillia Alaska , pretty close to Russia ...........Hilarious!

Rank&File
09-06-2008, 09:01 AM
I don't think they're going to be able to do this very long. I'm sure they've got her cramming big time, I don't think they can wait for the debates. She's going to have to do something soon.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-06-2008, 09:13 AM
I don't think they're going to be able to do this very long. I'm sure they've got her cramming big time, I don't think they can wait for the debates. She's going to have to do something soon.

:D

I can just see it now: "Remember - Italy is the one that looks like a boot."

Pseudofool
09-06-2008, 09:16 AM
I'm not sure how she's going to manage campaigning, caring for a special baby, and memorizing non-stupid, non-extreme positions on the major issues.

I think once Monday comes, I think we'll start to see more national stories about this and other issues. Next week, I think we'll see a breaking point on this issue.

Rank&File
09-06-2008, 09:24 AM
It's kind of sad really. People spend lifetimes learning about cultural geography, and I'm kind of a believer in "Nobody can ever be really prepared to be president". This however, is just beyond me. I've stated before that I think the "family" arguments are not really relevant, but she can't possibly be ready for this. The right constantly force feeds the "safer America" angle, and in my humble opinion, she doesn't project that type of personality. Being "tough" on the stage she's vying for can shape history in one way or another. This is a big deal, and I'm not confident in her ability.

Dudeskey
09-06-2008, 09:57 AM
Well it's smart. I can't imagine his campaign would throw her out there to be complete humiliated on her lack of foreign policy knowledge for example...

But Fox news said she has foreign policy experience based on her close proximity to russia...™ :spit:

Rohirrim
09-06-2008, 10:54 AM
There could be no clearer indication that this woman is totally and completely unqualified for this level of office.

davidtkd
09-06-2008, 11:15 AM
There could be no clearer indication that this woman is totally and completely unqualified for this level of office.

No doubt. And they call out Obama for 'stammering'. I guess better to stammer, than not show up at all.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/sarah-palin-w-1.html

defenseman
09-06-2008, 12:25 PM
It's kind of sad really. People spend lifetimes learning about cultural geography, and I'm kind of a believer in "Nobody can ever be really prepared to be president". This however, is just beyond me. I've stated before that I think the "family" arguments are not really relevant, but she can't possibly be ready for this. The right constantly force feeds the "safer America" angle, and in my humble opinion, she doesn't project that type of personality. Being "tough" on the stage she's vying for can shape history in one way or another. This is a big deal, and I'm not confident in her ability.

Obama is a LAWYER......he is far from ready. Giving a great speech does not qualify you for squat, a record of performance does. He doesn't have that. .....dman

*I will say, he toots his own horn very well, hides the arrogance quite well in addition, but we all know, it is there for all to see.

defenseman
09-06-2008, 12:27 PM
There could be no clearer indication that this woman is totally and completely unqualified for this level of office.

Her executive achievements handily trump Obama. He's a lawyer in senator's clothing, nothing more, nothing less......dman

Mr.Meanie
09-06-2008, 12:36 PM
So are you saying ANY mayor in this country is more qualified than McCain, Obama and Biden to be president? Is Kwame Kilpatrick more qualified than any of them because he has more executive experience?

Sounds like she should be the presidential candidate, since McCain is "only" a US Senator.

edit:
btw... Kilpatrick has almost 8 YEARS more executive experience than McCain, Obama and Biden. He's clearly more qualified than any of them...

TheDave
09-06-2008, 12:39 PM
Sorry folks but this is political suicide for the GOP. This completely allows Obama/Biden to focus 100% of their attacks on McCain while the press has a field day with this. Within the next week or two she will be forced to come out of hiding. By then the press will have already painted a not so flatering picture of her and her "Record".

By doing this McCain is allowing the press to define her while Obamas camp does nothing more that run that picture of Bush/McCain huggin about 10,000 times.

Crushaholic
09-06-2008, 12:41 PM
Why does she (or the campaign) need a press conference? Contrary to "popular" belief, the press isn't an entity in which candidates (or elected officials) should bow down and kiss their feet. I feel confident that Palin will be ready when the time comes for the debates...

TheDave
09-06-2008, 12:41 PM
So are you saying ANY mayor in this country is more qualified than McCain, Obama and Biden to be president? Is Kwame Kilpatrick more qualified than any of them because he has more executive experience?

Sounds like she should be the presidential candidate, since McCain is "only" a US Senator.

As I've said before My father-in-law is mayor of a town in southern california. About 50,000 people... just as he is not qualified to be pres neither is she.

It has been hilarious to watch the GOP **** on their only realistic chance of attacking the Dems.

scttgrd
09-06-2008, 01:00 PM
Her executive achievements handily trump Obama. He's a lawyer in senator's clothing, nothing more, nothing less......dman

So where is she? Hell she couldn't run that small town of 6000 people with out hiring an administator to do the work. How in the world is she going to run this country? I guess with a rube like Bush in the rear view this can't look so bad.

Hogan11
09-06-2008, 01:10 PM
It's an effective strategy. They hide her ineptitude by denying interviews and dressing it up as some kind of anti-press campaign. All the while, handlers train her for the debate against Biden on Oct. 3rd (who already knows how to handle debating the gender factor after having gone up against Hillary).

So, no press. Only recycling the attack speech from the convention at the stops till then and let the McCain people handle the questions till then. That's what were seeing.

tnedator
09-06-2008, 02:09 PM
I think this an outrage. I can't believe the American people are just yawning about this. It just shows how unbelievably apathetic the American people have become. What McCain is trying to do is continue the policy of Bush of controlling the press.

This is ridiculous. How can you make any legitimate claim about McCain controlling the press? ???

The polls show that regular voters can clearly see that the networks, CNN and MSNBC are trying to get Obama elected.

Spider
09-06-2008, 02:22 PM
This is ridiculous. How can you make any legitimate claim about McCain controlling the press? ???

The polls show that regular voters can clearly see that the networks, CNN and MSNBC are trying to get Obama elected.

Better be careful here , you got a sensitive side to you , but mcCains handlers stopping Palin from Speaking is controlling the press ............

tnedator
09-06-2008, 02:32 PM
Better be careful here , you got a sensitive side to you ,

Maybe you should focus on the issues, rather than trying to slander posters that don't agree with you. Regardless, your advice isn't needed.

but mcCains handlers stopping Palin from Speaking is controlling the press ............

That is not controlling the press, that is controlling access to a candidate, much like Obama's refusal to be interviewed by O'reily or people he doesn't consider his supporters (which is most of the media).

The posters statement about McCain controlling the press was simply asinine. If he was controlling the press, he would stop NBC's overt attempt to get Obama elected.

If he was controlling the press, then he would have forced the networks to actually televise Fred Thompson and other 10:00 hour (Eastern time) speeches that they simply didn't televise, even though they did for the DNC.

If he was controlling the press, he would have not allowed NBC and CBS to remove the live audio (applause) from the Bush speech, so that it didn't look so bad when he paused, when the crowd in Minn was actually clapping.

It's an absurd statement for the poster to say, "What McCain is trying to do is continue the policy of Bush of controlling the press." Purely, absurd.

Spider
09-06-2008, 02:34 PM
Maybe you should focus on the issues, rather than trying to slander posters that don't agree with you. Regardless, your advice isn't needed. yeah you want me .......



That is not controlling the press, that is controlling access to a candidate, much like Obama's refusal to be interviewed by O'reily or people he doesn't consider his supporters (which is most of the media).

The posters statement about McCain controlling the press was simply asinine. If he was controlling the press, he would stop NBC's overt attempt to get Obama elected.

If he was controlling the press, then he would have forced the networks to actually televise Fred Thompson and other 10:00 hour (Eastern time) speeches that they simply didn't televise, even though they did for the DNC.

If he was controlling the press, he would have not allowed NBC and CBS to remove the live audio (applause) from the Bush speech, so that it didn't look so bad when he paused, when the crowd in Minn was actually clapping.

It's an absurd statement for the poster to say, "What McCain is trying to do is continue the policy of Bush of controlling the press." Purely, absurd.

Sure it is it , he is controlling the press as to Palin ..........

TheDave
09-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Maybe you should focus on the issues, rather than trying to slander posters that don't agree with you. Regardless, your advice isn't needed.



That is not controlling the press, that is controlling access to a candidate, much like Obama's refusal to be interviewed by O'reily or people he doesn't consider his supporters (which is most of the media).

The posters statement about McCain controlling the press was simply asinine. If he was controlling the press, he would stop NBC's overt attempt to get Obama elected.

If he was controlling the press, then he would have forced the networks to actually televise Fred Thompson and other 10:00 hour (Eastern time) speeches that they simply didn't televise, even though they did for the DNC.

If he was controlling the press, he would have not allowed NBC and CBS to remove the live audio (applause) from the Bush speech, so that it didn't look so bad when he paused, when the crowd in Minn was actually clapping.

It's an absurd statement for the poster to say, "What McCain is trying to do is continue the policy of Bush of controlling the press." Purely, absurd.


Didn't Obama just appear on O'Reily?

Anyways, his keeping Palin sequestered is absolutely an attempt to control the press. One that is currentely and will continue to backfire.

tnedator
09-06-2008, 03:06 PM
Didn't Obama just appear on O'Reily?

Anyways, his keeping Palin sequestered is absolutely an attempt to control the press. One that is currentely and will continue to backfire.

Yes, after nine months or so, he just did. Hence the reason I brought it up.

As to Palin, it is ridiculous to call it controlling the press. If someone wants to say protecting Palin, then that would be accurate. They don't want to release her to interviews, until they are comfortable that she will be consistant with McCain on all of his policy positions.

However, there is a VAST difference between controlling the press and protecting Palin.

One is within his control (protecting Palin), one is not (controlling the press -- see the fake pregnancy stories).

TheDave
09-06-2008, 03:13 PM
Yes, after nine months or so, he just did. Hence the reason I brought it up.

As to Palin, it is ridiculous to call it controlling the press. If someone wants to say protecting Palin, then that would be accurate. They don't want to release her to interviews, until they are comfortable that she will be consistant with McCain on all of his policy positions.

However, there is a VAST difference between controlling the press and protecting Palin.

One is within his control (protecting Palin), one is not (controlling the press -- see the fake pregnancy stories).

Your just trying to split hairs because you don't like the phrase "Controlling the press" this is an attempt at just that.

frerottenextelway
09-06-2008, 03:23 PM
Why does she (or the campaign) need a press conference? Contrary to "popular" belief, the press isn't an entity in which candidates (or elected officials) should bow down and kiss their feet. I feel confident that Palin will be ready when the time comes for the debates...

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/in-hiding-for-t.html

This is incredible, totally incredible. A vice presidential candidate isn't going to be available to the press for two weeks? Two weeks? In September. We have this total unknown who could be president of the United States next January. And she's in hiding for two weeks. Chris Matthews on this clip says that this is fine. Has he lost his mind? She needs to be in front of the press now. The United States and the world cannot have this total unknown foisted on the presidency without any serious vetting and without any press interaction. This is absolutely third world. Since when is the governor of a state given two weeks in hiding?

The sexism that implies that someone cannot stand up to reporters because she is a woman is appalling. This entire pick, of course, is incredibly sexist, and the handling of her in the last week the most sexist double standard I have ever seen in American politics. Can you imagine Hillary Clinton saying she wasn't going to answer questions for two weeks? Or Margaret Thatcher? Or Kay Bailey Hutchison? Or Elizabeth Dole? And none of these women were ever as close to global power as Sarah Palin now is. This is getting to Manchurian Candidate levels of creepiness. It's deeply sinister and slightly terrifying.

Funny line:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214237.php

Isn't Palin supposed to move to Cheney's undisclosed location after she gets elected, not before?

tnedator
09-06-2008, 03:31 PM
Your just trying to split hairs because you don't like the phrase "Controlling the press" this is an attempt at just that.

It's not splitting hairs, it is trying to seperate fact from rhetoric, it's a big difference.

scttgrd
09-06-2008, 03:43 PM
You mean the Democratic facts and Republican rhetoric?

Spider
09-06-2008, 03:44 PM
You mean the Democratic facts and Republican rhetoric?

ROFL! .......

tnedator
09-06-2008, 03:45 PM
You mean the Democratic facts and Republican rhetoric?

No, facts are facts and rhetoric is rhetoric, whether red or blue.

scttgrd
09-06-2008, 04:00 PM
Yes but it always work out that republicans scream thier lies from the rooftop while democrats tend to stick to the facts. Your boy Karl Rove is a master at that.

Rohirrim
09-06-2008, 04:15 PM
Her executive achievements handily trump Obama. He's a lawyer in senator's clothing, nothing more, nothing less......dman

And yet she isn't even competent enough to talk to the press? How about talk to Putin? How much coaching would that take? Two months? This woman is obviously in no position to handle the heat. Executive achievements? :rofl: I am so glad I don't have to defend this idiotic pick.

By the way, the overwhelming majority of the Senate is lawyers. Given that Palin took seven colleges to get her BA, it's highly unlikely she could have ever done what it takes to get a JD. Let alone a JD at Harvard. Ha!

scttgrd
09-06-2008, 04:20 PM
She's not ready to take a few questions from the podium but she's ready to deal with Iran. Hell by the time they finish coaching her the Iranians would have finished thier nuclear program.

Rohirrim
09-06-2008, 04:33 PM
Just because you can strap a saddle on a pig doesn't mean you're going to win the Kentucky Derby.

TheDave
09-06-2008, 04:48 PM
It's not splitting hairs, it is trying to seperate fact from rhetoric, it's a big difference.


Yawn... well so as that i do not continue to upset your GOP sensibilities, what should we call it?

Controlling the Story?

Would that work for you?

TheDave
09-06-2008, 04:48 PM
You can strap a saddle on a pig, but that doesn't mean you're going to win the Kentucky Derby.

What was that one about lipstick on a Bulldog?... er, nevermind.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-06-2008, 05:01 PM
Yawn... well so as that i do not continue to upset your GOP sensibilities, what should we call it?

Controlling the Story?

Would that work for you?

:D

He'll have to wait until he gets his RNC talking points to get back to you.

davidtkd
09-06-2008, 06:05 PM
Wow, this thread is practically republican free. Wonder why. Perhaps the McCain camp is 'protecting' them.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-06-2008, 06:07 PM
Wow, this thread is practically republican free. Wonder why. Perhaps the McCain camp is 'protecting' them.

Like I said, they're waiting for their RNC talking points so they'll know what their resonse is. ;)

Bronco Bob
09-06-2008, 06:15 PM
Her executive achievements handily trump Obama. He's a lawyer in senator's clothing, nothing more, nothing less......dman

Going by that notion she also trumps McCain. What executive experience
does McCain have?

Bronco Bob
09-06-2008, 06:17 PM
This is ridiculous. How can you make any legitimate claim about McCain controlling the press? ???

The polls show that regular voters can clearly see that the networks, CNN and MSNBC are trying to get Obama elected.

What polls would those be? Links?

Frankly you would come off a lot more believable if you had claimed
the polls show that Fox News is trying to get Palin elected.

TailgateNut
09-06-2008, 06:43 PM
Yes, after nine months or so, he just did. Hence the reason I brought it up.

As to Palin, it is ridiculous to call it controlling the press. If someone wants to say protecting Palin, then that would be accurate. They don't want to release her to interviews, until they are comfortable that she will be consistant with McCain on all of his policy positions.

However, there is a VAST difference between controlling the press and protecting Palin.

One is within his control (protecting Palin), one is not (controlling the press -- see the fake pregnancy stories).



So would he also "protect Palin" if they were to win the election? (hypothetical question only). Is she just a pawn to get the sympathetic womens vote? (because the intelligent women aren't falling for this BS)

tnedator
09-06-2008, 06:55 PM
So would he also "protect Palin" if they were to win the election? (hypothetical question only). Is she just a pawn to get the sympathetic womens vote? (because the intelligent women aren't falling for this BS)

I don't see it is an issue related to her sex.

The very same situation could have occurred with a number of VP selections. As she has not been campaigning (unlike biden for instance, or several of the possible GOP choices) for months upon months, she is not on the same page as McCain, but as VP she has to given similar responses to him about policies, or the press will go haywire.

If in two weeks or so, she is still not taking questions, then I would start to be concerned. If they take a couple weeks to get her and McCain on the same page, I see nothing wrong with that.

What polls would those be? Links?

Frankly you would come off a lot more believable if you had claimed
the polls show that Fox News is trying to get Palin elected.

There have been several I have read about over the last few days, this is the first I found, which is at Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_s he_has_better_experience_than_obama):

Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November.

TailgateNut
09-06-2008, 07:01 PM
I don't see it is an issue related to her sex.

The very same situation could have occurred with a number of VP selections. As she has not been campaigning (unlike biden for instance, or several of the possible GOP choices) for months upon months, she is not on the same page as McCain, but as VP she has to given similar responses to him about policies, or the press will go haywire.

If in two weeks or so, she is still not taking questions, then I would start to be concerned. If they take a couple weeks to get her and McCain on the same page, I see nothing wrong with that.



There have been several I have read about over the last few days, this is the first I found, which is at Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_s he_has_better_experience_than_obama):


So, after a few weeks of "coaching" she'll be ready to take questions.

If she isn't ready to answer questions about policies and her views regarding issues our nation faces, she isn't ready to be nominated, much less, elected as VP.

TheDave
09-06-2008, 07:03 PM
So, after a few weeks of "coaching" she'll be ready to take questions.

If she isn't ready to answer questions about policies and her views regarding issues our nation faces, she isn't ready to be nominated, much less, elected as VP.

I love how that little fact keeps getting glossed over by Republicans...

Hogan11
09-06-2008, 07:06 PM
So, after a few weeks of "coaching" she'll be ready to take questions.

If she isn't ready to answer questions about policies and her views regarding issues our nation faces, she isn't ready to be nominated, much less, elected as VP.

What I like most is that they appaear to be ramping up an anti-press campaign to mask her inability to go beyond the sardonic hockey Mom act.
They cannot sustain that ruse for very long.

frerottenextelway
09-06-2008, 07:11 PM
I don't see it is an issue related to her sex.

The very same situation could have occurred with a number of VP selections. As she has not been campaigning (unlike biden for instance, or several of the possible GOP choices) for months upon months, she is not on the same page as McCain, but as VP she has to given similar responses to him about policies, or the press will go haywire.

When has a VP candidate ever been hidden from the press for weeks?

Lets be real here, it's because she doesn't have a ****ing clue on anything in regards to foreign policy.

"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq"

If she has no idea about Iraq, do you think she can answer questions about Venezuela, Colombia, Georgia, or Iran without looking like a joke? If she gets asked about Sarkozy or Medvedev or Merkel, her answer would likely be ''who''.

The fact that McCain picked her for VP shows where his priorities are - country first my ass.

TailgateNut
09-06-2008, 07:13 PM
I can't fathom what they were thinking with this nomination. I like it! But WTF were they thinking?

Do republicans really think that she has any VP qualities and qualifications, or are they just following the leader. Looking at all of the info about her past actions and behavior, I would be extremely concerned with her as VP, especially with the "ancient one as Prez".

That ****er is one temper tantrum away from a heart attack.

tnedator
09-06-2008, 07:39 PM
So, after a few weeks of "coaching" she'll be ready to take questions.

If she isn't ready to answer questions about policies and her views regarding issues our nation faces, she isn't ready to be nominated, much less, elected as VP.

As the VP candidate, it isn't about 'her' views, it is about McCaines and being on the same page.

I think she will talking to reporters soon, and if not, it will blow up in their face.

Bronco Bob
09-06-2008, 07:49 PM
As the VP candidate, it isn't about 'her' views, it is about McCaines and being on the same page.

I think she will talking to reporters soon, and if not, it will blow up in their face.

So how come it didn't take Joe Biden two weeks of coaching to come
up to speed and be on the same page as Obama? McCain picks a
VP that knows so little about McCain that she has to be coached
to say the right things? That's terrible.

Rohirrim
09-06-2008, 07:50 PM
Not only that, Florida is kicking Miami's ass. Ha!

Bronco Bob
09-06-2008, 07:52 PM
Not only that, Florida is kicking Miami's ass. Ha!

How is Arizona doing? Are they going to win 70 to 0 like they did last week?

Spider
09-06-2008, 07:55 PM
LOL this from the person that gave the best speech in decades :rofl: ROFL!

Rohirrim
09-06-2008, 07:59 PM
I don't see anything on AZ. I'll tell you what. I'm more impressed with Florida than I was with OSU today.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-06-2008, 08:37 PM
This is ridiculous. How can you make any legitimate claim about McCain controlling the press? ???

The polls show that regular voters can clearly see that the networks, CNN and MSNBC are trying to get Obama elected.

I'm not so sure about CNN. Obviously the most publicized CNN interview was the Campbell Brown one, so thats getting a lot of attention, but there have been PLENTY of talking heads from both sides. In fact, after the DNC, they gave equal time to both sides, but after the RNC, they mainly only had repub talking heads...sooo i dunno about CNN.

Yes, MSNBC seems to lean left (save for chris matthews), but nothing like Fox News!

SonOfLe-loLang
09-06-2008, 08:43 PM
I don't see it is an issue related to her sex.

The very same situation could have occurred with a number of VP selections. As she has not been campaigning (unlike biden for instance, or several of the possible GOP choices) for months upon months, she is not on the same page as McCain, but as VP she has to given similar responses to him about policies, or the press will go haywire.

If in two weeks or so, she is still not taking questions, then I would start to be concerned. If they take a couple weeks to get her and McCain on the same page, I see nothing wrong with that.



There have been several I have read about over the last few days, this is the first I found, which is at Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_s he_has_better_experience_than_obama):

I'm a firm believer that her sex and her "good looks" have a lot to do with her popularity. If she was a fat pig or actually looked like a pitbull with lipstick, I guarentee you she wouldnt be nearly as popular. Really, what do the american people have to go on? Lots of pictures, controversy and one speech she didnt write. I'd say her appearance is playing a major role for the retarded american electorate.

watermock
09-06-2008, 10:01 PM
Huckabee would of carried the South and been a much better choice. It also would of energized the base. Romney is viewed as elitist too.

tnedator
09-07-2008, 11:47 AM
I'm not so sure about CNN. Obviously the most publicized CNN interview was the Campbell Brown one, so thats getting a lot of attention, but there have been PLENTY of talking heads from both sides. In fact, after the DNC, they gave equal time to both sides, but after the RNC, they mainly only had repub talking heads...sooo i dunno about CNN.

Yes, MSNBC seems to lean left (save for chris matthews), but nothing like Fox News!

Spoken like someone with a liberal POV. MSNBC doesn't lean left, it is far left. NBC, not far behind. ABC, CBS, CNN, all very liberal in their POV's.

I turned to CNN after Palin's speech, and it was all very partisan, liberal speak. Same on MSNBC.

The only people that feel the networks + CNN/MSNBC aren't liberally biased are liberals. Independents and republicans see it clearly. Same with Fox. Republicans typically repeat the fair and balanced mantra, when it isn't, it is conservatively biased. Fox probably has the most balanced set of guests and 'contributors', but their commentators and story lines are clearly conservative.

tnedator
09-07-2008, 11:54 AM
So how come it didn't take Joe Biden two weeks of coaching to come
up to speed and be on the same page as Obama?

I only peripherally followed the democratic primaries, but wasn't Biden running in the primaries?

If so, he would have been debating and studying Obama, in order to campaign against him, plus as a life-long politican (26-30 years or something like that in the senate?), he is 'politically' savvy.

Don't get me wrong, as I said, if she doesn't start doing interviews soon, it will blow up in their faces. She needs to be doing interviews by next weekend or so.

One thing I think people forget is that presidents don't make foreign policy decisions in a vaccum. They don't just 'decide' what to do. They are given detailed briefings and recomendations.

Senators, that are on certain committees, get various foreign affair briefings. Palin has been in Alaska and most likely out of touch with certain foreign affair issues, just as many governors are period. It doesn't mean she can't make good decisions, because she isn't going to govern based on interview sound bites.

This is much ado about nothing.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-07-2008, 12:00 PM
Spoken like someone with a liberal POV. MSNBC doesn't lean left, it is far left. NBC, not far behind. ABC, CBS, CNN, all very liberal in their POV's.

I turned to CNN after Palin's speech, and it was all very partisan, liberal speak. Same on MSNBC.

The only people that feel the networks + CNN/MSNBC aren't liberally biased are liberals. Independents and republicans see it clearly. Same with Fox. Republicans typically repeat the fair and balanced mantra, when it isn't, it is conservatively biased. Fox probably has the most balanced set of guests and 'contributors', but their commentators and story lines are clearly conservative.

Dude, youre watching through red colored glasses. First of all, any network that employs chris matthrews cannot lean FAR left...plus, olberman was gushing over palin and it pissed the hell out of me.

And CNN def cuts both ways...absolutely does.

And no one, no one leans further towards any direction than fox news.

Rohirrim
09-07-2008, 12:04 PM
ABC has become very conservative. No doubt, this is why Palin's first sit down will be with Gibson.

TheDave
09-07-2008, 12:07 PM
ABC has become very conservative. No doubt, this is why Palin's first sit down will be with Gibson.

I don't think there is an easier softball than Charlie Gibson... Smart move for them.

tnedator
09-07-2008, 12:12 PM
Dude, youre watching through red colored glasses. First of all, any network that employs chris matthrews cannot lean FAR left...plus, olberman was gushing over palin and it pissed the hell out of me.

And CNN def cuts both ways...absolutely does.

And no one, no one leans further towards any direction than fox news.

Like I said, that is your liberal point of view biasing you. There is nothing more biased then MSNBC, with CNN and NBC a close second.

CNN with Blitzer, cooper and Larry King (among others) is insanely liberal, but in recent years (until the election heated up, where their liberal colors have resurfaced) has tried to appear more balanced, because Fox has thoroughly kicked their butts in the ratings.

Rigs11
09-07-2008, 12:33 PM
So how come it didn't take Joe Biden two weeks of coaching to come
up to speed and be on the same page as Obama? McCain picks a
VP that knows so little about McCain that she has to be coached
to say the right things? That's terrible.

It's because the mccane campaign puts country first:spit:

Crushaholic
09-07-2008, 10:35 PM
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/in-hiding-for-t.html



Funny line:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214237.php

That piece still doesn't answer my question. The press is so arrogant to think that everything should go through them. It makes me sick. How do we know this isn't Palin's idea to "hide" from the press? We just have the opinion of a FORMER McCain staff member...