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Rank&File
09-05-2008, 11:04 AM
I don't know about you guys, but this seems WAY TOO PREMATURE! I know it can take time for these deals to happen but still. What say you?


Iraq eyes Lockheed F-16 fighter aircraft purchase By Jim Wolf
1 hour, 49 minutes ago



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Iraqi government has asked for information about buying 36 F-16 fighter aircraft built by Lockheed Martin Corp, the U.S. Defense Department said on Friday.


The request, received August 27, is being reviewed "in the normal course of business" as part of the U.S. government-to-government arms sale process, said Air Force Lt. Col. Patrick Ryder, a Pentagon spokesman.

Updated F-16s are among the world's most advanced multirole fighters and a powerful symbol of military ties to the United States.

Iraq's interest in the fighter jet, reported first by The Wall Street Journal, could spark concerns among neighbors worried about advanced arms in the hands of a country still facing major internal challenges.

U.S. reviews of possible arms sale can take a year or more. They involve the departments of State and Defense as well as Congress and weigh power balances, technology security and other thorny issues. If a contract were ultimately signed, deliveries could take another year or more, depending on the model in question.

The Pentagon did not specify which F-16 version Iraq was eyeing, nor whether it was new or refurbished. A Lockheed spokesman referred questions to the Pentagon.

F-16C/D Block 50/52 models are now being produced for Poland, Israel, Greece and Pakistan. The United Arab Emirates was the maiden customer for the Block 60 version, the most sophisticated F-16 produced to date.

More than 4,400 F-16s have been delivered worldwide, according to Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin. Morocco this year became the 25th and latest overseas buyer with a deal for 24 new Block 50/52 models and related gear said by the Pentagon to be worth as much as $2.4 billion.

Iraq's request for pricing and availability data might not necessarily lead to a sale. Sometimes governments seek such information for planning purposes only, the Pentagon's Ryder said.

Flush with billions of dollars from oil sales, Iraq is emerging as the biggest client for a wide range of U.S. weapons -- a shot in the arm for defense contractors such as Lockheed, Boeing Co, Northrop Grumman Corp, General Dynamics Corp and Raytheon Co.

Among other systems, Iraq is seeking more than 400 armored vehicles plus six C-130 transport planes built by Lockheed, the Pentagon's No. 1 supplier.

On July 30, the Pentagon notified Congress that Iraq also was seeking to buy 24 Textron Inc Bell Armed 407 or 24 Boeing AH-6 helicopters along with 565 120mm mortars, 665 81mm mortars, 200 AGM-114M Hellfire missiles and other arms that could be worth $2.4 billion.

Baghdad and Washington are working on a long-term security pact that calls for U.S. military forces to quit Iraq's cities by next summer as a step toward a broader withdrawal from the country that U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple President Saddam Hussein.

F-16s would let Iraqi forces conduct airstrikes of their own on insurgent positions rather than relying on U.S. forces to do so, as is now the case.

Overseas sales have kept Lockheed's F-16 production line open after the U.S. military shifted to more advanced fighters, including the radar-evading F-22 also built by Lockheed.

"The program is healthy and full of activity, with firm production through 2012 and a strong likelihood of new orders that will extend the line for several more years," John Larson, vice president for Lockheed's F-16 programs, told reporters in July at the Farnborough Air Show outside London.

kappys
09-05-2008, 11:05 AM
Well they have to spend all that extra oil money somewhere right?

sounds like a good colony to me, the profits are coming right back into the motherland.

gyldenlove
09-05-2008, 11:32 AM
I don't know about you guys, but this seems WAY TOO PREMATURE! I know it can take time for these deals to happen but still. What say you?


Iraq eyes Lockheed F-16 fighter aircraft purchase By Jim Wolf
1 hour, 49 minutes ago



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Iraqi government has asked for information about buying 36 F-16 fighter aircraft built by Lockheed Martin Corp, the U.S. Defense Department said on Friday.


The request, received August 27, is being reviewed "in the normal course of business" as part of the U.S. government-to-government arms sale process, said Air Force Lt. Col. Patrick Ryder, a Pentagon spokesman.

Updated F-16s are among the world's most advanced multirole fighters and a powerful symbol of military ties to the United States.

Iraq's interest in the fighter jet, reported first by The Wall Street Journal, could spark concerns among neighbors worried about advanced arms in the hands of a country still facing major internal challenges.

U.S. reviews of possible arms sale can take a year or more. They involve the departments of State and Defense as well as Congress and weigh power balances, technology security and other thorny issues. If a contract were ultimately signed, deliveries could take another year or more, depending on the model in question.

The Pentagon did not specify which F-16 version Iraq was eyeing, nor whether it was new or refurbished. A Lockheed spokesman referred questions to the Pentagon.

F-16C/D Block 50/52 models are now being produced for Poland, Israel, Greece and Pakistan. The United Arab Emirates was the maiden customer for the Block 60 version, the most sophisticated F-16 produced to date.

More than 4,400 F-16s have been delivered worldwide, according to Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed Martin. Morocco this year became the 25th and latest overseas buyer with a deal for 24 new Block 50/52 models and related gear said by the Pentagon to be worth as much as $2.4 billion.

Iraq's request for pricing and availability data might not necessarily lead to a sale. Sometimes governments seek such information for planning purposes only, the Pentagon's Ryder said.

Flush with billions of dollars from oil sales, Iraq is emerging as the biggest client for a wide range of U.S. weapons -- a shot in the arm for defense contractors such as Lockheed, Boeing Co, Northrop Grumman Corp, General Dynamics Corp and Raytheon Co.

Among other systems, Iraq is seeking more than 400 armored vehicles plus six C-130 transport planes built by Lockheed, the Pentagon's No. 1 supplier.

On July 30, the Pentagon notified Congress that Iraq also was seeking to buy 24 Textron Inc Bell Armed 407 or 24 Boeing AH-6 helicopters along with 565 120mm mortars, 665 81mm mortars, 200 AGM-114M Hellfire missiles and other arms that could be worth $2.4 billion.

Baghdad and Washington are working on a long-term security pact that calls for U.S. military forces to quit Iraq's cities by next summer as a step toward a broader withdrawal from the country that U.S.-led forces invaded in 2003 to topple President Saddam Hussein.

F-16s would let Iraqi forces conduct airstrikes of their own on insurgent positions rather than relying on U.S. forces to do so, as is now the case.

Overseas sales have kept Lockheed's F-16 production line open after the U.S. military shifted to more advanced fighters, including the radar-evading F-22 also built by Lockheed.

"The program is healthy and full of activity, with firm production through 2012 and a strong likelihood of new orders that will extend the line for several more years," John Larson, vice president for Lockheed's F-16 programs, told reporters in July at the Farnborough Air Show outside London.

I think the Danish government would be happy to sell them their F-16s when they go with a newer fighter soon. No reason not to turn a profit on a war.

theAPAOps5
09-05-2008, 11:35 AM
Ebay

DenverBrit
09-05-2008, 11:36 AM
Ebay

LOL

Rank&File
09-05-2008, 11:40 AM
I think the Danish government would be happy to sell them their F-16s when they go with a newer fighter soon. No reason not to turn a profit on a war.

My point is that the government is not nearly stable enough to even be talking about a fleet of F-16's

elsid13
09-05-2008, 11:43 AM
My point is that the government is not nearly stable enough to even be talking about a fleet of F-16's

Since they are about to buy M-1A Abrams, why shouldn't they be looking to buy Modern Fighters

Garcia Bronco
09-05-2008, 11:47 AM
My point is that the government is not nearly stable enough to even be talking about a fleet of F-16's

I agree.

cutthemdown
09-05-2008, 12:15 PM
I think the Danish government would be happy to sell them their F-16s when they go with a newer fighter soon. No reason not to turn a profit on a war.

I'm pretty sure they can't legally pass on that technology. You would think part of the contract is you can't resell the technology? Anyone know?

Meck77
09-05-2008, 12:31 PM
Why don't we just sell them a nuke?

Rohirrim
09-05-2008, 12:33 PM
Isn't Palin selling Alaska's jet?

SleepingTiger
09-05-2008, 12:38 PM
Isn't Palin selling Alaska's jet?

i thought it was already sold

Rohirrim
09-05-2008, 12:49 PM
i thought it was already sold

Tough break for the Iraqis. ;D

Denver Crush
09-05-2008, 12:53 PM
This is the reason we went into Iraq.....Feed the Military Industrial Complex.

Rank&File
09-05-2008, 01:14 PM
Since they are about to buy M-1A Abrams, why shouldn't they be looking to buy Modern Fighters

In my opinion, there is a slight difference between tanks and fighter bombers. I don't know though, this kind of thing is just a little quick for me. If they are going to be an ally going forward, great. Let's just give their government some time to find their way. I'm ultimately not against it as a whole, I would just rather be overly cautious.

kappys
09-05-2008, 02:14 PM
In my opinion, there is a slight difference between tanks and fighter bombers. I don't know though, this kind of thing is just a little quick for me. If they are going to be an ally going forward, great. Let's just give their government some time to find their way. I'm ultimately not against it as a whole, I would just rather be overly cautious.

Listen if we create a democracy in Iraq we run the very real risk of seeing a government voted in that won't follow orders from Washington. With this whole troop withdrawal thing it's very important to create an armed elite force sympathetic to the US within Iraq so that if the democracy goes wrong it will be easy to engineer a coup against it.

Bronco Yoda
09-05-2008, 02:23 PM
Isn't Palin selling Alaska's jet?

She has her eyes set on AF1 next. I wonder who'll bidder higher... the Chinese or the Iranians... perhaps a last minute snipe by a Saudi Prince?

elsid13
09-05-2008, 02:45 PM
In my opinion, there is a slight difference between tanks and fighter bombers. I don't know though, this kind of thing is just a little quick for me. If they are going to be an ally going forward, great. Let's just give their government some time to find their way. I'm ultimately not against it as a whole, I would just rather be overly cautious.

It the exact opposite in my mind. The F-16 is last generation fighter that been around for 30 plus years and is being replace by F-22. The Abrams is still our countries most currently technology and it can be argued that it is the premier MBT in the world. I rather give them the F-16 then a tank that allows them to fight at night, and has advance gun control.

Rank&File
09-05-2008, 03:25 PM
It the exact opposite in my mind. The F-16 is last generation fighter that been around for 30 plus years and is being replace by F-22. The Abrams is still our countries most currently technology and it can be argued that it is the premier MBT in the world. I rather give them the F-16 then a tank that allows them to fight at night, and has advance gun control.

I don't think you understand the argument I'm making here. I'm not at all worried about them attacking us with that hardware. I'm talking about stability in a region that is inherently unstable. They can reach out and touch someone with those jets. Sure the tanks are formidable, I doubt they would get all the technology installed on those either, but this is a conversation they should be starting 2-3 years from now if ever. And btw, tanks are like shoots ducks in a barrel when you have air superiority. I digress.

Rohirrim
09-05-2008, 03:30 PM
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elsid13
09-05-2008, 03:34 PM
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It really is a beautiful bird.

Rohirrim
09-05-2008, 03:40 PM
It really is a beautiful bird.

What do you think of that shot of it going across the water? :~ohyah!:

TDmvp
09-05-2008, 04:34 PM
must be a slow news day.....

theAPAOps5
09-05-2008, 04:37 PM
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The directional thrust on that is awesome.

Bronco_Beerslug
09-05-2008, 06:47 PM
I don't think you understand the argument I'm making here. I'm not at all worried about them attacking us with that hardware. I'm talking about stability in a region that is inherently unstable. They can reach out and touch someone with those jets. Sure the tanks are formidable, I doubt they would get all the technology installed on those either, but this is a conversation they should be starting 2-3 years from now if ever. And btw, tanks are like shoots ducks in a barrel when you have air superiority. I digress.Selling or giving these radical religious idiots anything military is just plain stupid.

kappys
09-05-2008, 07:22 PM
Selling or giving these radical religious idiots anything military is just plain stupid.

So you're claiming the invasion hasn't made us any safer? :kiddingme