Dan Patrick show: Denver has the NFL's most loyal fans.

[Los Broncos]

Heard it this morning, thought it was cool.

[broncosteven]

I am going on 36 years as a Bronco fan, never even considered adultery.

[ludo21]

yaaaaaaaaaaaa

[maher_tyler]

I am going on 36 years as a Bronco fan, never even considered adultery.

18 years for myself

[loborugger]

I am going on 36 years as a Bronco fan, never even considered adultery.

Makes obligatory "Not even with Gene Krantz?" Post.

[broncosteven]

Makes obligatory "Not even with Gene Krantz?" Post.

Man crushes don't count.

Neither do the under 17 year old Disney Channel fantasies....
Soring...Flying...theres not a star in heaven that we can't touch...

[CasinoRoyal]

Well thats just bullshyt.......

When i seen 20 thousand Steelers fans in the AFC CHAMP GAME.

I pretty much found out that there was alot of weak fans out there in Colorado now days...

Ones that walk outta games in the 3rd quarter even tho it was a beat down.

I mean id stay.

[Bronco Jamus]

21 years. And I moved here to see the games.

[snowspot66]

I just realized it's been nearly 13 years for me, since I started watching football. Half my life. Picked a great time to start watching. Tail of the 95 season.

[Bronx33]

35 Years

[Bronx33]

Well thats just bullshyt.......

When i seen 20 thousand Steelers fans in the AFC CHAMP GAME.

I pretty much found out that there was alot of weak fans out there in Colorado now days...

Ones that walk outta games in the 3rd quarter even tho it was a beat down.

I mean id stay.


Dude alot i mean alot of people from other states have moved to wonderful colorful colorado they go to football games, it's only natural and seeing alot at a AFC championship game is only normal.

[lex]

Well thats just bullshyt.......

When i seen 20 thousand Steelers fans in the AFC CHAMP GAME.

I pretty much found out that there was alot of weak fans out there in Colorado now days...

Ones that walk outta games in the 3rd quarter even tho it was a beat down.

I mean id stay.


What you are neglecting to consider is the fact that Pittsburgh had a dynasty in the 1970s...and many NFL fans have gravitated toward the Steelers from growing up watching them. Denver didnt have this kind of success in the 70s...as a matter of fact their sell out streak easily pre-dates their first winning season. Its not as if Denver has anything to be ashamed of with 6 SB appearances and 2 wins, but the fan support existed well before that and the fan support wasnt enhanced by success like what you see with the Steelers and Packers.

Having said that, there are a lot of faux fans out there now. I think the influx of CA has eroded to some extent the connection to the team. When your neighbors are also behind the cause it makes you less likely to commit betrayal.

[CasinoRoyal]

fans selling 20k tickets at a afc champ game?

thats not normal..

Pitt fans wouldnt do that.

[CasinoRoyal]

What you are neglecting to consider is the fact that Pittsburgh had a dynasty in the 1970s...and many NFL fans have gravitated toward the Steelers from growing up watching them. Denver didnt have this kind of success in the 70s...as a matter of fact their sell out streak easily pre-dates their first winning season. Its not as if Denver has anything to be ashamed of with 6 SB appearances and 2 wins, but the fan support existed well before that and the fan support wasnt enhanced by success like what you see with the Steelers and Packers.

Having said that, there are a lot of faux fans out there now. I think the influx of CA has eroded to some extent the connection to the team. When your neighbors are also behind the cause it makes you less likely to commit betrayal.

Its not about them having a dynasty or even them....

its the fact that about 20k so called bronco fans sold there tickets........To the biggest game of the season........

thats just pathetic ive never seen anything like that in any other team AFC champ game in my life.....

[Paladin]

Well, Sandy Eggo.........

[Atwater His Ass]

stfu

[Bronx33]

I was there as well and yes there was alot but there was not 20k there sunshine ( iam done with this topic)

[CasinoRoyal]

Okay 15k.....

End of story....

lotta fair weather, band wagon, non chalant fans out there......

No other team would sell even 1k tickets in a big game like that. lol.

[lex]

Its not about them having a dynasty or even them....

its the fact that about 20k so called bronco fans sold there tickets........To the biggest game of the season........

thats just pathetic ive never seen anything like that in any other team AFC champ game in my life.....

Sure it is. Their dynasty is what gave them the national following that they have. Of course its about their dynasty. People who grew up watching football around this time are in their 30s and 40s now. I agree with you that this one game was pathetic but, again, you have to factor in the relative success of the two teams and Steelers fan base is buoyed by their dynasty years, whereas, Denvers fan base was there before they even started winning.

[CasinoRoyal]

Except the Chargers.

[ludo21]

fans selling 20k tickets at a afc champ game?

thats not normal..

Pitt fans wouldnt do that.

id sell my ticket for 20k, unless they were on the field.

[lex]

id sell my ticket for 20k, unless they were on the field.


Hes estimating that there were 20 K steeler fans not that this is what they are paying.

[CasinoRoyal]

Sure it is. Their dynasty is what gave them the national following that they have. Of course its about their dynasty. People who grew up watching football around this time are in their 30s and 40s now. I agree with you that this one game was pathetic but, again, you have to factor in the relative success of the two teams and Steelers fan base is buoyed by their dynasty years, whereas, Denvers fan base was there before they even started winning.

What does them being a dynasty have to do with.

"Bronco fans going online and putting there tickets up for sell a week prior to the game for Pitt fans to buy them and fly out to Denver?????


Unless these Pitt fans put some guns to there heads then the BRONCOS fan openly gave up there tickets to a big game for a little cash?

ROFL!

[CasinoRoyal]

id sell my ticket for 20k, unless they were on the field.

Nah not for 20 thousand dollers......

20 thousand pitt fans at the game.

[lex]

What does them being a dynasty have to do with.
"Bronco fans going online and putting there tickets up for sell a week prior to the game for Pitt fans to buy them and fly out to Denver?????


Unless these Pitt fans put some guns to there heads then the BRONCOS fan openly gave up there tickets to a big game for a little cash?

ROFL!

It has nothing to do with anything. Ive just explained it twice. Carry on with your oblivious crusade.

[CasinoRoyal]

It has nothing to do with anything. Ive just explained it twice. Carry on with your oblivious crusade.

Ohhhhhhh i get it..........

Because they were a dynasty in the 70s and we was not.......

They get to show up and have Bronco fans just hand them there tickets???

gotcha! ROFL!

So if we was a dynasty back then.......And were playing the patriots in the AFC Champ game this year........There fans would say "well you guys rocked inthe 70s sooo take my tickets" ROFL!

[dsmoot]

What you are neglecting to consider is the fact that Pittsburgh had a dynasty in the 1970s...and many NFL fans have gravitated toward the Steelers from growing up watching them. Denver didnt have this kind of success in the 70s...as a matter of fact their sell out streak easily pre-dates their first winning season. Its not as if Denver has anything to be ashamed of with 6 SB appearances and 2 wins, but the fan support existed well before that and the fan support wasnt enhanced by success like what you see with the Steelers and Packers.

Having said that, there are a lot of faux fans out there now. I think the influx of CA has eroded to some extent the connection to the team. When your neighbors are also behind the cause it makes you less likely to commit betrayal.

During the dynasty years of the 70's (steelers), you would never see or notice steeler fans in Mile High Stadium. Therein lies the big difference.

[ludo21]

Hes estimating that there were 20 K steeler fans not that this is what they are paying.


dang.

that seemed outrageous when i wrote it lol.

Whatever, 100% Denver attendance that day would not have helped anyway.

[lex]

Ohhhhhhh i get it..........

Because they were a dynasty in the 70s and we was not.......

They get to show up and have Bronco fans just hand them there tickets???

gotcha! ROFL!

So if we was a dynasty back then.......And were playing the patriots in the AFC Champ game this year........There fans would say "well you guys rocked inthe 70s sooo take my tickets" ROFL!

There are more steelers fans. When you sell your tickets online, you dont always know where theyre from. And some of its sold by brokers as well. Does Colorado have a law preventing purchases from credit cards in the same states as opposing teams? A lot of places have started doing this. Dont get me wrong, I agree that the people shouldnt be doing that but I cant honestly say that all 20K (your number) steeler fans purchased their tickets with the seller knowing they were steelers fans.

Massachusetts actually has a law against profiteering from owning season tickets. They actually won a court case vs Stubhub where they were demanding access to records related to transactions for Patriots tickets so they could enforce this law and revoke the tickets, or apply whatever other penalty. Maybe Colorado should do this as well.

[CasinoRoyal]

During the dynasty years of the 70's (steelers), you would never see or notice steeler fans in Mile High Stadium. Therein lies the big difference.

Thats what im saying!!

The older generation die hards that used to be at the game would never sell there tickets...

This new generation sucks.

That champ game still haunts me seeing all those thousands of terrible towels......But hey i guess there entitled to walk in our stadium and wave them because they rocked in the 70s.................

[CasinoRoyal]

There are more steelers fans. When you sell your tickets online, you dont always know where theyre from. And some of its sold by brokers as well. Does Colorado have a law preventing purchases from credit cards in the same states as opposing teams? A lot of places have started doing this. Dont get me wrong, I agree that the people shouldnt be doing that but I cant honestly say that all 20K (your number) steeler fans purchased their tickets with the seller knowing they were steelers fans.

Massachusetts actually has a law against profiteering from owning season tickets. They actually won a court case vs Stubhub where they were demanding access to records related to transactions for Patriots tickets so they could enforce this law and revoke the tickets, or apply whatever other penalty. Maybe Colorado should do this as well.

Who the hell else would a Bronco fan think is buying there tickets last minute Vs the steelers???

Are you insulting the people of colorado smarts???

Its only common sense that Pitt fans would buy tickets to a pitt game the week of a Pitt vs Broncos game......Hilarious! But thanks for trying to defend the idiots.

[lex]

During the dynasty years of the 70's (steelers), you would never see or notice steeler fans in Mile High Stadium. Therein lies the big difference.

I agree that there was a stronger connection between the community and the team...and as previously mentioned, I partially blame the influx of californians for such an erosion. But that doesnt mean that if you look at a football teams history and their present, that you cant make an argument for the loyalty of Denver fans.

[TheChamp24]

Well thats just bullshyt.......

When i seen 20 thousand Steelers fans in the AFC CHAMP GAME.

I pretty much found out that there was alot of weak fans out there in Colorado now days...

Ones that walk outta games in the 3rd quarter even tho it was a beat down.

I mean id stay.

1. NOT ALL THOSE TICKETS WERE ORIGINALLY OWNED BY BRONCO FANS. There are ticket brokers that had tickets to sell in bunches. They made a VERY nice profit from the Steeler fans.
2. Its very easy to sell a ticket to an opposing team if you are offered $1,000 or more for your $100 ticket. Thats how much Steeler fans were paying. Some have higher priorities than football.
3. It was very difficult to get tickets/people make the trip because they didn't think the Steelers would beat the Colts, and thus have another home playoff game. Thus, the people who lived out of state couldn't afford to go to the game, so they sell them on ebay.
4. If the Broncos are losing 34-3 in the late 3rd quarter and showing no life, you bet your ass I'm leaving. I paid money to watch the team be competitive, and if they don't seem to care, I'm out.

[Rock Chalk]

Its not about them having a dynasty or even them....

its the fact that about 20k so called bronco fans sold there tickets........To the biggest game of the season........

thats just pathetic ive never seen anything like that in any other team AFC champ game in my life.....

Grow up.

You are 23 and young and stupid.

Get a mortgage. have kids, pay bills and then come to me after you have turned down a Steeler fan willing to shell out 2K for your ticket to a ****ing game.

Ive never been to the new stadium. Only went to old mile high once. You going to tell me Im a ****ty fan? Or how about all the fans that cant afford to go to the games but live and die with them at home?

Just shut the **** up.

[lex]

Who the hell else would a Bronco fan think is buying there tickets last minute Vs the steelers???

Are you insulting the people of colorado smarts???

Its only common sense that Pitt fans would buy tickets to a pitt game the week of a Pitt vs Broncos game......Hilarious! But thanks for trying to defend the idiots.
Im actually going back and forth with them, and not so much defending them. Only joking. When you put your tickets on sale online, do you actually see who is making the purchase on the other end?

[lex]

1. NOT ALL THOSE TICKETS WERE ORIGINALLY OWNED BY BRONCO FANS. There are ticket brokers that had tickets to sell in bunches. They made a VERY nice profit from the Steeler fans.
2. Its very easy to sell a ticket to an opposing team if you are offered $1,000 or more for your $100 ticket. Thats how much Steeler fans were paying. Some have higher priorities than football.
3. It was very difficult to get tickets/people make the trip because they didn't think the Steelers would beat the Colts, and thus have another home playoff game. Thus, the people who lived out of state couldn't afford to go to the game, so they sell them on ebay.
4. If the Broncos are losing 34-3 in the late 3rd quarter and showing no life, you bet your ass I'm leaving. I paid money to watch the team be competitive, and if they don't seem to care, I'm out.

Sorry, but theres no justification. If someone buys the ticket initially go to the game. Dont do so to turn a profit. Thats just wrong and indefensible.

[Rock Chalk]

Sorry, but theres no justification. If someone buys the ticket initially go to the game. Dont do so to turn a profit. Thats just wrong and indefensible.

Who would do it to turn a profit? double face value, I think not. 10 times face value? Here's my ticket, enjoy the show.

[lex]

Who would do it to turn a profit? double face value, I think not. 10 times face value? Here's my ticket, enjoy the show.

If you buy a ticket to go to the game, go to the game. And this notion that Pittsburgh fans somehow ended up in your living room offering 10 x face is also comical. People had to actively seek selling tickets, which is pathetic. Its profiteering. Its disgusting and indefensible. You make it seem like people one day had a ticket magically materialize in their hand and the next day some anonymous Steelers fans were in their living room offering outrageous sums of money for that ticket. LOL.

And spare me the nonsense about having obligations because if you have such obligations, presumably you have a job to support those obligations. If you need steeler fans to become your sugar daddy, maybe you shouldnt even consider going to the game in the first place.

Oh, and to answer your question. No, I would not sell the ticket. Whats the point of being a fan at all if I do something like that?

[TheChamp24]

Some people had to try to sell their tickets, my brother did. He couldn't afford to make a second trip up to Colorado on such short notice.
Sold them on eBay for a decent profit if I remember.
Not all season ticket holders live in Colorado and can make every game.

Now, those who BOUGHT the tickets the minute they went on sale, and then sold them for profit, I have a beef with.

[Rock Chalk]

If you buy a ticket to go to the game, go to the game. And this notion that Pittsburgh fans somehow ended up in your living room offering 10 x face is also comical. People had to actively seek selling tickets, which is pathetic. Its profiteering. Its disgusting and indefensible. You make it seem like people one day had a ticket magically materialize in their hand and the next day some anonymous Steelers fans were in their living room offering outrageous sums of money for that ticket. LOL.

People were being offered outrageous sums of money. Criticize it all you want.

Find it disgusting and indefnsible. I find it to be good business sense by smart Bronco fans.

But I am willing to bet you 10 thousand dollars that you wouldnt have the ****ing balls to call anyone of those people a ****ty fan to their face. Just another internet pussy talking tough behind a keyboard.

[Rock Chalk]

If you buy a ticket to go to the game, go to the game. And this notion that Pittsburgh fans somehow ended up in your living room offering 10 x face is also comical. People had to actively seek selling tickets, which is pathetic. Its profiteering. Its disgusting and indefensible. You make it seem like people one day had a ticket magically materialize in their hand and the next day some anonymous Steelers fans were in their living room offering outrageous sums of money for that ticket. LOL.

And spare me the nonsense about having obligations because if you have such obligations, presumably you have a job to support those obligations. If you need steeler fans to become your sugar daddy, maybe you shouldnt even consider going to the game in the first place.

Oh, and to answer your question. No, I would not sell the ticket. Whats the point of being a fan at all if I do something like that?

Good for you, you wouldnt sell your ticket. Did you enjoy yourself?

I didnt enjoy myself from home.

I would have had I made a 900 dollar profit though.

[lex]

People were being offered outrageous sums of money. Criticize it all you want.

Find it disgusting and indefnsible. I find it to be good business sense by smart Bronco fans.
Its not smart business sense. Again, if you really have smart business sense, this wouldnt be so appealing. If you really had smart business sense, you would be able to allow yourself to enjoy the game. There would be no need to let the Steelers fans be your sugar daddy.


But I am willing to bet you 10 thousand dollars that you wouldnt have the ****ing balls to call anyone of those people a ****ty fan to their face. Just another internet p***Y talking tough behind a keyboard.

Points like this is kind of what I reference above. This is really inane. Im obviously not infront of anyone, so why even try to make this point? Its telling.

[lex]

Good for you, you wouldnt sell your ticket. Did you enjoy yourself?

I didnt enjoy myself from home.

I would have had I made a 900 dollar profit though.
Youre a faux fan.

[Atwater His Ass]

Its not smart business sense. Again, if you really have smart business sense, this wouldnt be so appealing. If you really had smart business sense, you would be able to allow yourself to enjoy the game. There would be no need to let the Steelers fans be your sugar daddy.






wut? this makes no ****ing sense.

[lex]

wut? this makes no ****ing sense.


If you truly have business sense, you wouldnt be so reliant on that $1000 and it would allow you to enjoy the game. If you are as dire as he is describing, its hard to make a case for one having good business sense.

[Atwater His Ass]

If you truly have business sense, you wouldnt be so reliant on that $1000 and it would allow you to enjoy the game. If you are as dire as he is describing, its hard to make a case for one having good business sense.

um, no? From a business standpoint you're 100% wrong.

[lex]

um, no? From a business standpoint you're 100% wrong.


No, the more business sense you have, the less reliant you would be on that 1,000. Im 100% right. If this spin of yours is what you need to cope with being a faux fan, fine. Whatever. But also know this: Theres a reason some arent as reliant on that $1,000 and its not because they find $1,000 behind trees otherwise.

[Los Broncos]

I'll never switch to another team, end of story.

[Hamrob]

34 yrs here. Grew up in South Dakota and Northern Colorado...started out with Tang and gravitated towards Orange Crush!

For those of you who understand how big Elway is to Colorado and the Broncos Organization...I'm here to tell you Randy Gradishar was the man before Elway. Yeah, Floyd Little was the bomb as well...But Gradishar exemplified the Denver Broncos and the Orange Crush. That he's not in the Hall a Fame is a black eye on the NFL. For me, the first Superbowl win was almost nirvana...if Gradishar were in the Hall next to Elway...then we'd be talking...

[CasinoRoyal]

Grow up.

You are 23 and young and stupid.

Get a mortgage. have kids, pay bills and then come to me after you have turned down a Steeler fan willing to shell out 2K for your ticket to a ****ing game.

Ive never been to the new stadium. Only went to old mile high once. You going to tell me Im a ****ty fan? Or how about all the fans that cant afford to go to the games but live and die with them at home?

Just shut the **** up.

Hilarious!

Gotta house.

Got two kids.

Paying our own bills.

Hilarious!

Were not talking bout fans who sit at home idiot!

Were talking about the ones who CAN afford the tickets and selling them....

I bet those die hard fans who cant afford a ticket would NEVER SELL THERE ****ING TICKETS TO AN AFC CHAMP GAME.

I WOULDNT..

I dont care what the price is.

A die hard fan ont sell his ticket for money. Let alone the biggest game of the teams season....Hilarious!

Keep trying to defend the fans with no loyalty all you want but im not buying the shyt at all..........

[CasinoRoyal]

Im actually going back and forth with them, and not so much defending them. Only joking. When you put your tickets on sale online, do you actually see who is making the purchase on the other end?

When i put them online the week of the afc champ game.......Yes i have a pretty got damn good idea whose going to buy them!!!!

Wheres common sense?

Hilarious!

[CasinoRoyal]

Who would do it to turn a profit? double face value, I think not. 10 times face value? Here's my ticket, enjoy the show.

You no longer have my respect as a Bronco fan.

[CasinoRoyal]

If you buy a ticket to go to the game, go to the game. And this notion that Pittsburgh fans somehow ended up in your living room offering 10 x face is also comical. People had to actively seek selling tickets, which is pathetic. Its profiteering. Its disgusting and indefensible. You make it seem like people one day had a ticket magically materialize in their hand and the next day some anonymous Steelers fans were in their living room offering outrageous sums of money for that ticket. LOL.

And spare me the nonsense about having obligations because if you have such obligations, presumably you have a job to support those obligations. If you need steeler fans to become your sugar daddy, maybe you shouldnt even consider going to the game in the first place.

Oh, and to answer your question. No, I would not sell the ticket. Whats the point of being a fan at all if I do something like that?

Owned!!!!!!!

[Vladimir]

Till death do us part.

[KipCorrington25]

I think in general across the board Bronco fans are less intense and less loyal then say 20 years ago. There will always be superfans and those are the type that post on message boards but that's a small minority. The reason for the decline is the obvious issues always mentioned and many brought on by the team, the league, and the American sports culture in general. Ticket prices go up, the corporate ticket holder that has a disinterested person taking the seat, the fact with hyper free agency the players aren't loyal to teams and that leads to less fan intensity.

Also, being someone that grew up in Denver I think the attitude and the culture in this city has changed and that has lead to a down turn in fan interest and intensity. This is something nobody talks about but I think is the main change that has occured. It seemed to me back in the 70's and 80's Denver people had more of a chip on their shoulders, people here had something to prove and a lot of that came out supporting the Broncos, the city's identity was much more tied to the Broncos than it is now. Back then there was a much higher percentage of natives and they were loyal and it seemed when people did move here they got on board. Now there is such a transient nature to the Denver culture there are a lot of people just passing through, not from here, no roots, and either like the team from where they are from and won't change or don't care. Hence all the fans of the midwest and east coast teams in the stands. That was much less the case 20 years ago.

It's sad, less and less people move here because they want to be here and it seems like it's more the "I got transferred here for work" crowd that come here and are gone to someplace else in 5 or 6 years and those people are lame, wish they would never come.

[CasinoRoyal]

People were being offered outrageous sums of money. Criticize it all you want.

Find it disgusting and indefnsible. I find it to be good business sense by smart Bronco fans.

But I am willing to bet you 10 thousand dollars that you wouldnt have the ****ing balls to call anyone of those people a ****ty fan to their face. Just another internet p***Y talking tough behind a keyboard.

Didnt see thousands of Charger fans inthe AFC champ game last year......:rofl:

Im sure people offered lots of money......Im sure New England has low income people there......:rofl:

oh wait Denvers the only city in america that has a NFL team with fans who JUST NEED TO SELL THE TICKET TO THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR.

you might aswell shut that shyt up.

your a fake Bronco fan like it or not......

Fairweather non loyal fans that Marshall spoke of last year.

[Raidersbane]

40 years ago come this October dad took me to see Floyd Little play and I've been hooked ever since.......

[Jason7730]

Since 1976. I also got my first ulcer watching my Broncs lose to the cowgirls the next year. I will ALWAYS be 100% loyal to the Broncos!! I love a lot of sports, but it's Broncos #1, and everything else is second. When we won Superbowl 32, it was the third happiest day of my life, after the birth of my two boy's!!! Go Broncos!!!!! Always...............

[TheChamp24]

If you buy a ticket to go to the game, go to the game. And this notion that Pittsburgh fans somehow ended up in your living room offering 10 x face is also comical. People had to actively seek selling tickets, which is pathetic. Its profiteering. Its disgusting and indefensible. You make it seem like people one day had a ticket magically materialize in their hand and the next day some anonymous Steelers fans were in their living room offering outrageous sums of money for that ticket. LOL.

And spare me the nonsense about having obligations because if you have such obligations, presumably you have a job to support those obligations. If you need steeler fans to become your sugar daddy, maybe you shouldnt even consider going to the game in the first place.

Oh, and to answer your question. No, I would not sell the ticket. Whats the point of being a fan at all if I do something like that?

Well, obligations, oh, like maybe say me and my fiancee just had a baby, and the expenses for such an occasion are pretty huge. That extra $1,000 sounds mighty nice, and I can watch the game in a nice, comfy recliner with my newborn.
Or maybe to help pay off student loan debt, or pay off a car loan, or help pay a medical expense.
There is a certain price I'd be willing to sell, right now that is. 20 years from now, I should be well off and not have to care about making an extra $1,000. Everybody has a price, and that would be mine right now if I had a ticket to that game.

Didnt see thousands of Charger fans inthe AFC champ game last year......:rofl:

Im sure people offered lots of money......Im sure New England has low income people there......:rofl:

oh wait Denvers the only city in america that has a NFL team with fans who JUST NEED TO SELL THE TICKET TO THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR.

you might aswell shut that shyt up.

your a fake Bronco fan like it or not......

Fairweather non loyal fans that Marshall spoke of last year.

Maybe because the Chargers fan base isn't even close to the Steelers fan base? Have you not seen MNF games of the Steelers in away games? They have a HUGE following because to Steeler fans, thats an enjoyable vacation to go splurge on tickets to an away game and rock it.
Seriously, trying to compare Chargers fan base to the Steelers is so far of a stretch, I think you pulled your groin there.

[watermock]

31 years, altho I didn't seek out the Crush of 77, the Crush found ME. I came from Hornhead land and got swept up at DU. I miss mile high...

[watermock]

BTW, everyone has a price.

[Atwater His Ass]

No, the more business sense you have, the less reliant you would be on that 1,000. Im 100% right. If this spin of yours is what you need to cope with being a faux fan, fine. Whatever. But also know this: Theres a reason some arent as reliant on that $1,000 and its not because they find $1,000 behind trees otherwise.

I'm the one putting the spin job on? ok...........

So wait, let me get this straight. From a business standpoint, it's bad to get a return of 10x or more of your inital investment? **** man, the whole world's been doing it wrong since the dawn of time.

It's been awhile since I've run across a person with such a superiority complex.

But also know this: you're a prick.

[BMF Bronco]

33 years!

[lex]

I'm the one putting the spin job on? ok...........

So wait, let me get this straight. From a business standpoint, it's bad to get a return of 10x or more of your inital investment? **** man, the whole world's been doing it wrong since the dawn of time.

It's been awhile since I've run across a person with such a superiority complex.

But also know this: you're a prick.


I dont care if you get it straight or not and Ive really lost interest in what you have to say. Id rather not be witness to the farce that is defending faux fans.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Someone should tell Dan Patrick about the time Broncos "fans" left the stadium in droves because of a little rain.

[lex]

Someone should tell Dan Patrick about the time Broncos "fans" left the stadium in droves because of a little rain.


Wow, I Chiefs "fan" belongs nowhere near this conversation. I remember in the 80s when Arrowhead was empty during games. But then Carl Peterson came along an bedazzled them, which, though not surprising, is kind of bizarre.

[DHallblows]

Owned!!!!!!!

Many many things to add to this conversation.

1) It's the Steelers. They travel well EVERYWHERE. And they only seem to be everywhere in stadiums because they wave bright yellow towels.
2) There probably were a ton of charger fans at the Pat's stadium. But you didn't see as many because of the reason listed above. AND are you seriously making claims going off of what you see in the crowd on tv?!?! Cuz they sure show the entire stadium several times so you can see the colors of everyone there.......
3) You are very very annoying. You post idiotic things with terrible English that nobody responds to because they don't make sense. With quality posts like the one I quoted, I'm SHOCKED you're not a mod yet...

Also, I can't remember how ticket sales were done for that game. Was it sale at the stadium only, or were there online sales?

And to stay on topic: I'm ashamed to say I've only been a fan 12 years. But that's my mom's fault for not having me sooner!

[Atwater His Ass]

I dont care if you get it straight or not and Ive really lost interest in what you have to say. Id rather not be witness to the farce that is defending faux fans.

So you can't justify 10x return on initial investment as bad business. Gotcha :thumbs:

[Popcorn Sutton]

Didnt see thousands of Charger fans inthe AFC champ game last year......:rofl:

Im sure people offered lots of money......Im sure New England has low income people there......:rofl:

oh wait Denvers the only city in america that has a NFL team with fans who JUST NEED TO SELL THE TICKET TO THE BIGGEST GAME OF THE YEAR.

you might aswell shut that shyt up.

your a fake Bronco fan like it or not......

Fairweather non loyal fans that Marshall spoke of last year.



You just proved what an idiot you are. You compare the Chargers fan base to the Steelers? You must be out of your mind...

I have news for you... ticket brokers have at least 5-10000 tickets to Broncos and any other team that has regular sellouts. That is how they make money. Don't believe me, go search for tickets on eBay right now and notice how many brokers are selling tickets.

Has the fan base changed? Of course, it doesn't take a rocket scientist but I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to understand that has happened everywhere.

I'm going to assume from your ignorance that you haven't seen many away Steelers games... I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously have it all figured out but I will end with this.

I was at the AFC Championship game. Born and raised in Denver and now I live on the east coast. I paid $300 to fly and $350 to sit in the nosebleeds and there were NOT 20,000 or even 15,000 Steelers fans there... I'll give you 10,000 and easily 5000-8000 of those are due to brokers and corporate idiots who could care less about football so they sold their free tickets.

Here's a pic I shot at the start of the game:

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn472/rgault00/IMG_0741.jpg

[Dendave]

35+ here
my question is, aren't there a certain amount of tickets allocated to the visiting team? how many I don't know, but what I do know is I read all the time that so and so team has returned x amount of unused tickets...well, as mentioned before, Steeler fans travel well and if the Steelers themselves are selling tickets to the game I am sure they sold them out...just my view

[CasinoRoyal]

Well, obligations, oh, like maybe say me and my fiancee just had a baby, and the expenses for such an occasion are pretty huge. That extra $1,000 sounds mighty nice, and I can watch the game in a nice, comfy recliner with my newborn.
Or maybe to help pay off student loan debt, or pay off a car loan, or help pay a medical expense.
There is a certain price I'd be willing to sell, right now that is. 20 years from now, I should be well off and not have to care about making an extra $1,000. Everybody has a price, and that would be mine right now if I had a ticket to that game.



Maybe because the Chargers fan base isn't even close to the Steelers fan base? Have you not seen MNF games of the Steelers in away games? They have a HUGE following because to Steeler fans, thats an enjoyable vacation to go splurge on tickets to an away game and rock it.
Seriously, trying to compare Chargers fan base to the Steelers is so far of a stretch, I think you pulled your groin there.

dude IDC what team it is....I only pointed out last year because last year was the most recent...


Denver is THEE ONLY team I AND YOU has ever seen sell there tickets to playoff games....

Yeah im sure over 15k people wives had babies the weekd of the AFC champ game huh>??

What a coincedance.......(spellcheck)

[CasinoRoyal]

Many many things to add to this conversation.

1) It's the Steelers. They travel well EVERYWHERE. And they only seem to be everywhere in stadiums because they wave bright yellow towels.2) There probably were a ton of charger fans at the Pat's stadium. But you didn't see as many because of the reason listed above. AND are you seriously making claims going off of what you see in the crowd on tv?!?! Cuz they sure show the entire stadium several times so you can see the colors of everyone there.......
3) You are very very annoying. You post idiotic things with terrible English that nobody responds to because they don't make sense. With quality posts like the one I quoted, I'm SHOCKED you're not a mod yet...

Also, I can't remember how ticket sales were done for that game. Was it sale at the stadium only, or were there online sales?

And to stay on topic: I'm ashamed to say I've only been a fan 12 years. But that's my mom's fault for not having me sooner!

1.Wrong ive seen pitt in playoff games on the road and still didnt see thousands of them.....
2. Wrong because its easy to see thousands and thousands of Pitt fan from a TV or a picture online....

Do you not know that Bronco fans were the laughin stock of the NFL that game for doing that shyt? Do you know how Pitt fans on there boards were laughing @ you all out there??

3. I could truly giva **** what you think about my typing.

People respond but if they dont i still get my message across...

4. Doesnt matter how they were sold....You guys are defending bullshyt fans as if its a great normal thing.

**** that.

If all this ticket shyt is broke down in all these differant ways then why the **** are there never 15K PLUS other teams fans in other teams stadium in the playoffs??

The reasons your giving me would allow for the shyt to happen with EVERY team but yet you cant point out ta me a single playoff game where there were 15k of the opposite team fans @ the game......Hilarious!

Just face it the COlorado fans of today is NOT what they used to be....

I respect those old die hards.

You other fair weather/non loyal fans can go to another team for all i care.

Just MY honest opinion.

[CasinoRoyal]

You just proved what an idiot you are. You compare the Chargers fan base to the Steelers? You must be out of your mind...

I have news for you... ticket brokers have at least 5-10000 tickets to Broncos and any other team that has regular sellouts. That is how they make money. Don't believe me, go search for tickets on eBay right now and notice how many brokers are selling tickets.

Has the fan base changed? Of course, it doesn't take a rocket scientist but I didn't think it took a rocket scientist to understand that has happened everywhere.

I'm going to assume from your ignorance that you haven't seen many away Steelers games... I'm not going to argue with you because you obviously have it all figured out but I will end with this.

I was at the AFC Championship game. Born and raised in Denver and now I live on the east coast. I paid $300 to fly and $350 to sit in the nosebleeds and there were NOT 20,000 or even 15,000 Steelers fans there... I'll give you 10,000 and easily 5000-8000 of those are due to brokers and corporate idiots who could care less about football so they sold their free tickets.

Here's a pic I shot at the start of the game:

http://i323.photobucket.com/albums/nn472/rgault00/IMG_0741.jpg


If it happens everywhere then why dont we see it happening everywhere?Hilarious!

Its only been seen in Denver!

Never have i seen another team fans take over a stadium.........

Pitt Vs Indy game before our game.......i could actually point out how many Pitt fans i seen.......Hilarious!

But this discussion might aswell end......The true non loyal/ fair weather fans have been pointed out......

thanks for showing me who the true fans are.....

[maher_tyler]

Some people had to try to sell their tickets, my brother did. He couldn't afford to make a second trip up to Colorado on such short notice.
Sold them on eBay for a decent profit if I remember.
Not all season ticket holders live in Colorado and can make every game.

Now, those who BOUGHT the tickets the minute they went on sale, and then sold them for profit, I have a beef with.

Me honestly you'd have to offer me A LOT of money to not go to an AFCC game. I think there should be some rule/law about being within a certian proximity of the stadium in order of being a season ticket holder. You should at least have to live in colorado before you can be a season ticket holder or joe schmoe in Florida who couldn't give two ****s about the broncos could have season tickets and just sell them for more than face value just for extra money in his pocket, thats not right...real true fans shouldn't have to pay $500 just to see a game!!

[TailgateNut]

Sorry, but theres no justification. If someone buys the ticket initially go to the game. Dont do so to turn a profit. Thats just wrong and indefensible.


I'll have to wash out my "mouth", but I, for once;) agree with you on this one.

Side note: now that the state legislature passed the law that fans are legally entitled to sell/ profiteer from the re-sale, we'll see even more of the decay of the "Home field advantage".

Thank Lois Tochtropt for that one. (Bitch)

[TailgateNut]

People were being offered outrageous sums of money. Criticize it all you want.

Find it disgusting and indefnsible. I find it to be good business sense by smart Bronco fans.

But I am willing to bet you 10 thousand dollars that you wouldnt have the ****ing balls to call anyone of those people a ****ty fan to their face. Just another internet p***Y talking tough behind a keyboard.


I did and I would!
They ****ing suck balls!
Traitors, in my mind!

I gave every one in my section hell for selling their tix.

I wish the Broncos would "yank" their rights from their greedy ass hands.

[TailgateNut]

So you can't justify 10x return on initial investment as bad business. Gotcha :thumbs:


If Bronco tickets are "an Investment" then you must be BCJ.:wiggle:

I buy my tickets because the broncos are to me what crack is to a crackhead.
An Addiction!!Booya!

[Irish Stout]

I've never had any rights to season tickets before... but isn't there some sort of lottery for the AFC Champ game and don't we have to sell so many tickets to the away team?

PS - I'm Broncos till I die!

[OABB]

This has got to be the stupidest thread with the most potential...

A real debate is needed here, and it is turning into a cat fight.

Casino has a great point, Alec-you are a moron here, sorry. You sound like a slicked back Gordon Gecko coke headed yuppy douche.

I would sell My kid ont the black market to get afccg tickets and if they wanted him in parts, I'd cut the bastards liver right out...

I was a bronco fan in the womb, and I'll be damned if I watch my team, my cities, comraderie and identity sold out.

Everything in america is for sale, and yes, everyone has a price..but come on people...can we leave football out of this republican, soulless free market fascist, lifestyle?

it's football people, fan loyalty.

above all else.

[montrose]

I'd say were certainly among the most loyal, but I'd put us below Pittsburgh or Green Bay who both invaded our stadium multiple times over the last few years. One reason to consider is that, statistically, not as many Coloradoans leave the state as Pittsburgh or Wisconsin residents. With that, Broncos fans are much more loyal than the fanbases I grew up around - Washington and Baltimore. These days with ticket brokers controlling so many tickets - every stadium is seeing more and more visiting fans invading.

[Hogan11]

Loyality to teams has largely taken a hit in recent years due to rise of fanatsy football....more casual football fans follow players rather than organizations as a result. (I have a boss like this, his line is "I used to follow the Bills, but now I just follow whomever I get in my FF draft"). I find that to be contemptable myself, but whatever melts their butter.

I've been on board with the Broncos (and only the Broncos) since the early 70's, scrimp and save to make a cross country trip to a home and a away game every year and follow the team however I can as one exiled on the east coast...if that's not good enough for people, then F'em.

[Play2win]

The Irony runs deep in this thread...

It is a thread about how the Denver Broncos have the NFL's most loyal fans on a diehard Broncos website made up of diehard Broncos fans, yet there are a few here are showing their utter disloyalty to "their" team.

[Play2win]

Loyality to teams has largely taken a hit in recent years due to rise of fanatsy football....more casual football fans follow players rather than organizations as a result. (I have a boss like this, his line is "I used to follow the Bills, but now I just follow whomever I get in my FF draft"). I find that to be contemptable myself, but whatever melts their butter.

The cult of personality...

[Los Broncos]

Selling tickets to rival fans to make a buck is punk to me.

[55CrushEm]

No, the more business sense you have, the less reliant you would be on that 1,000. Im 100% right. If this spin of yours is what you need to cope with being a faux fan, fine. Whatever. But also know this: Theres a reason some arent as reliant on that $1,000 and its not because they find $1,000 behind trees otherwise.

Holy ****.....I already thought lex was a knucklehead for a lot of the things he said during the draft.....but jeesh.

So....turning a profit is BAD business sense. hmmm... I guess everything I learned while getting my MBA was wrong.....

So, here's lex's advice.....if you start a business....DON'T try to turn a profit. :approve:

[Tombstone RJ]

I'd say were certainly among the most loyal, but I'd put us below Pittsburgh or Green Bay who both invaded our stadium multiple times over the last few years. One reason to consider is that, statistically, not as many Coloradoans leave the state as Pittsburgh or Wisconsin residents. With that, Broncos fans are much more loyal than the fanbases I grew up around - Washington and Baltimore. These days with ticket brokers controlling so many tickets - every stadium is seeing more and more visiting fans invading.

I guarantee you that would never happen in Mile High Stadium. The minute Invesco Field was built, the blue collar Broncos fan was shown the door.

Yep, Colorado is a state where every one from the East, California and Midwest want to live, consequently, you have an influx of transplanted fans. Its kinda like all the Nebraska Cornhole fans that live on the Front Range, they didn't want to live in Nebraska, so they moved to Colorado.

I could not stand it when I met someone from the Midwest or East Coast who moved to Colorado and then bad mouthed the Broncos. It fricken drove me crazy. It's not so much that I hated their allegiance to their home teams, it's that they had the gall to bad mouth the Colorado teams. It took alot of control for me to hold my tongue.

[Hogan11]

The cult of personality...

Yes...the thing is, the fans who have left being fans of teams behind for loyalities to certain players were weakly consituted to begin with and probably would have jumped ship at the first sign of a losing season anyways...so it's really no big loss.

[lex]

Holy ****.....I already thought lex was a knucklehead for a lot of the things he said during the draft.....but jeesh.

So....turning a profit is BAD business sense. hmmm... I guess everything I learned while getting my MBA was wrong.....

So, here's lex's advice.....if you start a business....DON'T try to turn a profit. :approve:


You're an idiot. I said none of that.

[Beantown Bronco]

The Irony runs deep in this thread...

It is a thread about how the Denver Broncos have the NFL's most loyal fans on a diehard Broncos website made up of diehard Broncos fans, yet there are a few here are showing their utter disloyalty to "their" team.

Or, more likely, some people just define loyalty differently.

[lex]

Or, more likely, some people just define loyalty differently.


Yeah, some people just like to do whatever they want and then spin things later to make themselves feel better. The problem is the subsequent spin dilutes the meaning of "loyalty" to the extent where it has little to no meaning. I mean seriously, if you just do what you want all the time and still try to call it loyalty later, the word has no meaning.

[Northman]

26 years.

[OABB]

my loyalty is defined by the fact that I once cheered for Brain Griese...

if that isn't loyalty, I don't know what is.

[Northman]

Grow up.

You are 23 and young and stupid.

Get a mortgage. have kids, pay bills and then come to me after you have turned down a Steeler fan willing to shell out 2K for your ticket to a ****ing game.

Ive never been to the new stadium. Only went to old mile high once. You going to tell me Im a ****ty fan? Or how about all the fans that cant afford to go to the games but live and die with them at home?

Just shut the **** up.

QFT

[Northman]

Many many things to add to this conversation.

1) It's the Steelers. They travel well EVERYWHERE. And they only seem to be everywhere in stadiums because they wave bright yellow towels.
2) There probably were a ton of charger fans at the Pat's stadium. But you didn't see as many because of the reason listed above. AND are you seriously making claims going off of what you see in the crowd on tv?!?! Cuz they sure show the entire stadium several times so you can see the colors of everyone there.......
3) You are very very annoying. You post idiotic things with terrible English that nobody responds to because they don't make sense. With quality posts like the one I quoted, I'm SHOCKED you're not a mod yet...

Also, I can't remember how ticket sales were done for that game. Was it sale at the stadium only, or were there online sales?

And to stay on topic: I'm ashamed to say I've only been a fan 12 years. But that's my mom's fault for not having me sooner!


Again, QFT

Whenever the Ravens play the Steelers they have a ****load of Steeler fans in the stadium. Some teams have legions of fans and Pitt is one of them. Cowboys and Raiders are another.

[Northman]

Yeah, some people just like to do whatever they want and then spin things later to make themselves feel better. The problem is the subsequent spin dilutes the meaning of "loyalty" to the extent where it has little to no meaning. I mean seriously, if you just do what you want all the time and still try to call it loyalty later, the word has no meaning.

Like fans hoping for their team to lose. You mean that kind of loyalty. :rofl:

[TheChamp24]

btw, all of you people saying Pitt or GB would never have invaded old Mile High, well thats true, because technology and other things have advanced since then. 10 years ago, people weren't selling tickets on eBay, craigslist, etc. If you had a ticket you had to sell, you either had to show up at the stadium day of the game and sell it, or advertise it in the paper. Not every seat was reserved to season ticket holders.
Now, for that AFC Champ game, again, a ton of tickets went on sale(ones that weren't reserved for season ticket holders), and I'm betting some Pitt fans were able to snag some of those tickets. Add to that the ticket brokers, and thats where the Steeler fans got a majority of their tickets. Its not like people were actively searching for Steeler fans to sell tickets to them.

As for someone who said only Colorado residents should be allowed to get season tickets, thats a crock. There are some diehard fans who live outside CO who want to go to games. If I get season tickets, I'd make it to 2-3 games, and then have to sell the rest. My priority would be to sell them to a Bronco fan as a package, but sometimes that never always works because they don't want all the games offered to them. Hell, my brother tried to sell tickets to games he wasn't going to this year as a package, and he had hardly any takers so he listed a couple on eBay.

[lex]

btw, all of you people saying Pitt or GB would never have invaded old Mile High, well thats true, because technology and other things have advanced since then. 10 years ago, people weren't selling tickets on eBay, craigslist, etc. If you had a ticket you had to sell, you either had to show up at the stadium day of the game and sell it, or advertise it in the paper. Not every seat was reserved to season ticket holders.
Now, for that AFC Champ game, again, a ton of tickets went on sale(ones that weren't reserved for season ticket holders), and I'm betting some Pitt fans were able to snag some of those tickets. Add to that the ticket brokers, and thats where the Steeler fans got a majority of their tickets. Its not like people were actively searching for Steeler fans to sell tickets to them.

As for someone who said only Colorado residents should be allowed to get season tickets, thats a crock. There are some diehard fans who live outside CO who want to go to games. If I get season tickets, I'd make it to 2-3 games, and then have to sell the rest. My priority would be to sell them to a Bronco fan as a package, but sometimes that never always works because they don't want all the games offered to them. Hell, my brother tried to sell tickets to games he wasn't going to this year as a package, and he had hardly any takers so he listed a couple on eBay.

Who is saying that you have to be a Colorado resident to be a season ticket holder? Ive referenced two laws (or stipulations) that address profiting from being a season ticket holder and also that stipulate that purchases of tickets from the state or region of the opponent be blocked. This exists in other places. Perhaps, Colorado should get on board. When you have a publicly funded stadium and waiting lists for season tickets, you can easily make the case that having season tickets is an entitlement to go to games, not turn a profit. This is the law that exists in Massachusetts and they actually have a privately financed stadium.

[55CrushEm]

You're an idiot. I said none of that.

Yes you did.....page 2, post #42.....that was in direct reference to Alec's comment about people turning a profit on their tickets. You can be upset about people doing that if you like.....but it's NOT bad business sense....quite the opposite actually.

Then you say something stupid like....."good business sense is allowing yourself to enjoy the game." WTF is that? One's got NOTHING to do with the other......

But hey, I'm a day late to this thread.....so don't mind me.....

[Meck77]

I guarantee you that would never happen in Mile High Stadium. The minute Invesco Field was built, the blue collar Broncos fan was shown the door.


The remaining blue collar fans (tailgaters) will be shown the door in the coming years. I've been to a ton of public hearings over the last few years and have seen the plans and posted them on the Mane. The politicians/developers are chomping at the bit to carve the parking lots up into what they call Transit Oriented Development. When I stood up and said "Where will all the tailgaters park when the parking lots are developed?" the Denver planners looked at one another and laughed.

All this will start going down in 2012. That just happens to be the year that the light rail opens up and the leases the Broncos now have on Lot M and other parking lots expire. All those parking lots and even much of LotC will be torn up bit by bit. Mark my words.


I knew there was change coming and it's why I secured my parking lot and had plans to build a spot for Broncos fans to gather ie (Broncos bar/preserve some tailgating space). What I didn't realize is how much change there will be after I dug into things. We're going to be one of those other NFL cities where tailgaters aren't even seen around a stadium (like Indy).

[lex]

Yes you did.....page 2, post #42.....that was in direct reference to Alec's comment about people turning a profit on their tickets. You can be upset about people doing that if you like.....but it's NOT bad business sense....quite the opposite actually.

Then you say something stupid like....."good business sense is allowing yourself to enjoy the game." WTF is that? One's got NOTHING to do with the other......

But hey, I'm a day late to this thread.....so don't mind me.....

No, I didnt say it was bad business sense. I said its not a reflection of one who has good business sense. If you read my subsequent posts to the ones you reference, theyre along those lines. I wasnt addressing "bad business sense" at all. Youre the one who is introducing that idea. In any case, there is a massive distinction between denying its a reflection of good business sense and saying its bad business sense and aside for those with the reading comprehension of a box of staples, it should be easily discernable. Youre reaching massively.

[OABB]

where's the retard "arguing on the internet is like the special olympics..." pic?

[Irish Stout]

35+ here
my question is, aren't there a certain amount of tickets allocated to the visiting team? how many I don't know, but what I do know is I read all the time that so and so team has returned x amount of unused tickets...well, as mentioned before, Steeler fans travel well and if the Steelers themselves are selling tickets to the game I am sure they sold them out...just my view

I asked this question myself and no one answered it yet. Apparently nobody here knows.

[Ambiguous]

I asked this question myself and no one answered it yet. Apparently nobody here knows.

I doubt anyone here knows, but really it's not enough to be significant. I got tickets from this girl who was dating a guy on the Raiders practice squad 2 years ago, so I sat in the section allocated to the visiting team - there were only about 30 or so that showed up.

[Beantown Bronco]

I asked this question myself and no one answered it yet. Apparently nobody here knows.

Which part do you want an answer to? Yes, visiting teams are allocated a certain amount of tickets. I don't believe the exact number is published, but it is fairly significant. Every Thursday or Friday before the game, the unusued portion is release via ticketmaster for sale to the general public for their face value. Naturally, visiting teams that suck, don't travel very well, or don't have significant numbers of friends/family members that live in the area tend to "give back" more tickets.....while teams like Pittsburgh tend to use them all.

[Beantown Bronco]

I doubt anyone here knows, but really it's not enough to be significant. I got tickets from this girl who was dating a guy on the Raiders practice squad 2 years ago, so I sat in the section allocated to the visiting team - there were only about 30 or so that showed up.

The Broncos tend to scatter the tickets that are allocated to the visiting team. You can tell when ticketmaster releases the unused portion on the Thursday or Friday before each home game. They are all over the place. Mostly lower level corners and upper level.....but never more than 4 or so in the same section/row.

[dbfan4life]

I'm sorry but, Casino Royal, you are blowing this waaaaay out of proportion, dude. I was at the Pat's game the week before and there were some Pat's fans at the game,too. There were tickets for sale at every corner of Mile High Stadium. It's just flat out stupid to suggest that those who were there to see the game were out there standing next to the scalpers trying to turn a profit. And even more retarded to think that the scalpers were going to turn away a buyer because they were a Steelers fan, they don't give a **** who they sell to. The Steelers have a strong fan base everywhere you go. Hell, I live in Southern NM and there are no less than 3 or 4 Steeler Fan clubs at local sports bars around town and they all have really good turn outs on Sunday's. You know how many Bronco fan clubs there are were I live? Zero. And Denver is way closer then Pittsburg is. You really need to get off your high horse there buddy and stop blaming Bronco Fans for this. God forbid that Steeler fans were allowed to purchase a ticket to watch their team play. You think if roles were reversed and Denver played in Pitt, that our fans wouldn't have been able to buy a ticket to that game. I bought my playoff ticket from Ticketmaster. You think Ticketmaster asked me who I was rooting for? Nope. So really there were a number of ways to score a ticket to that game other the just Broncos fans who were overcome by the power of the almighty dollar.

[colonelbeef]

Pittsburgh fans travel well because their dynasty years were in the 70's and this is the period that they were constantly on TV and grew a national fanbase- i.e. the majority of their fans from across the country are now in their late 30's- 50's who are able to travel and afford tickets. They were seen as the antithesis of the Cowboys and gained huge popularity for their blue-collar style.

Cowboys and Steelers fans travel well, this is no secret. this is a direct result of having 1970's dynasties. As Broncos fans from across the country get older and subsequently more financially secure, like me, we will travel better as well as time goes on as well. As it is, the Broncos do well already. Just wait till the Elway era fans get to be 45 with more time on their hands.

[tsiguy96]

i think youre all idiots for trying to tell each other the rules and stipulations of what it takes to be a "real" broncos fan.

[DHallblows]

1.Wrong ive seen pitt in playoff games on the road and still didnt see thousands of them.....

If you really don't think Pittsburgh travels well, then you truly are a fool. Sorry.
You can ignore the 5 or so different people who have told you Pitt and Dallas travel well if you'd like, but it's the truth. And it's mostly because they were so good back in the day. ALSO, there is just plain more of them. Colorado isn't as populated as the other places and so there are more people that can afford to travel. Doesn't mean they're better fans or that they have a better fan base.
There are a sh!t ton of New England fans, but I sure as hell know we're a better basis than those bandwagon douche bags...

[Bronx33]

Hmmmm iam starting to understand why casino was banned from other sites now and in this case it wasn't because your were smarter you don't know when to say uncle when your wrong..

[broncosteven]

Hmmmm iam starting to understand why casino was banned from other sites now and in this case it wasn't because your were smarter you don't know when to say uncle when your wrong..

I was wondering how this dude could pop out of no where and put up a couple hundred posts in 2 weeks.

[crush17]

28 years. never ever strayed.

[broncosteven]

I am going on 36 years as a Bronco fan, never even considered adultery.

I just realized that in those 36 years of fandom I have never had to experience a KFC SB win!

Those years after Oakland won the SB were always tough, except for 77 when we knocked them off the perch.

[Popcorn Sutton]

If it happens everywhere then why dont we see it happening everywhere?Hilarious!

Its only been seen in Denver!

Never have i seen another team fans take over a stadium.........

Pitt Vs Indy game before our game.......i could actually point out how many Pitt fans i seen.......Hilarious!

But this discussion might aswell end......The true non loyal/ fair weather fans have been pointed out......

thanks for showing me who the true fans are.....

.... you apparently live in a hole!

[Popcorn Sutton]

I'd say were certainly among the most loyal, but I'd put us below Pittsburgh or Green Bay who both invaded our stadium multiple times over the last few years. One reason to consider is that, statistically, not as many Coloradoans leave the state as Pittsburgh or Wisconsin residents. With that, Broncos fans are much more loyal than the fanbases I grew up around - Washington and Baltimore. These days with ticket brokers controlling so many tickets - every stadium is seeing more and more visiting fans invading.

A voice of reason... whew!

I can hardly believe the ignorance I 've heard. Casino thinks no other stadium in the NFL has been invaded by Steelers fans.

Hey Casino, do yourself a favor and go online on Photobucket or one of those sites and search for pictures of Pittsburgh vs San Diego at home. There WERE 20,000 Steelers fans at their last game.

[lex]

A voice of reason... whew!

I can hardly believe the ignorance I 've heard. Casino thinks no other stadium in the NFL has been invaded by Steelers fans.

Hey Casino, do yourself a favor and go online on Photobucket or one of those sites and search for pictures of Pittsburgh vs San Diego at home. There WERE 20,000 Steelers fans at their last game.

Its worth making a distinction between greatest number and most loyal.

[Atwater His Ass]

You're an idiot. I said none of that.

Sure you did dumb****.

Then you attempted to justify it by some backhand remark about how rich you are so you woudn't even consider selling your ticket for upwards of 10x its face value confirming your prick status by trying to draw a parallel between how much of a fan you are based on the size of your wallet.

[Los Broncos]

I was raised by my grandfather who pulled for teams depending on the region he lived in.

Growing up in Southern California L.A. County area, he was a Rams fan.

He moves to SD and pulled for the Chargers.

Then to NorCal the 49ers.

In 86 I watched my first Bronco game, I was gushing over Elway.

No one was funner to watch.

[DenverBrit]

I swam the Atlantic and walked from Nova Scotia just to see the games live. :~ohyah!:

[pdvd23]

I asked this question myself and no one answered it yet. Apparently nobody here knows.

There is no lottery for the AFC playoff games, only the super bowl.

[pdvd23]

Everyone is talking shyt to CR for not knowing what he's talking about, but for the last few years there has been a serious increase in opposing fans and a lot come from season ticket holders. Thousands of non bronco fans for regular season games = no 10x profit WTF. If you can afford the expensive season tickets and can't go, you can afford to give them to a bronco fan.

[pdvd23]

Season ticket holder 23 years

[Dutch]

Sorry guys,
The "Yuppy Season Ticket Holder" selling his ticket is BS. It is the fact that so many of the seats in the 90's were owned/written off by Corporate season ticket holders. From around 2001-2003 there were a boatload of these that were "sold" i.e. handed to Brokers to get rid of them. If you watch the ads, you see American Express getting tickets to "The Big Event". This is why they can offer the service. Companies began dumping tickets on the brokers in a huge way after 9-11. Now they are entrenched in the game. Blows as far as I am concerned. but it is what it is. You want to see other teams fans in the stands, you should come to a Falcons game. When the Broncos play here, 40% was about where it was the last time...more Elway jerseys than any Falcon team member.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Die Hard Broncos fan since I was taken to my first game in 1991(i was 6). Been through bad times with the team and the greatest of times. No other nation is right for me except for the Bronco Nation

[Florida_Bronco]

Loyality to teams has largely taken a hit in recent years due to rise of fanatsy football....more casual football fans follow players rather than organizations as a result. (I have a boss like this, his line is "I used to follow the Bills, but now I just follow whomever I get in my FF draft"). I find that to be contemptable myself, but whatever melts their butter.

One of the main reasons I hate FF and refuse to play it.

[Los Broncos]

One of the main reasons I hate FF and refuse to play it.

I watch games for all the wrong reasons.

[worm]

Pointing a finger at an individual fan for selling for a profit is like pissing upwind. No good will come of it. People will always run to the carrot in front of them. $$$.

The focus should remain on creating the best product possible. On and off the field. The tailgate experience needs to be enhanced (Meck, you NEED that bar).....the product on the field needs to be successful....We need more team nicknames named after a third-rate orange beverages....We need naked cheerleaders...etc

The days of entire cities supporting an NFL team when they are mired in losing..like the Broncos were in the 70s...are gone. Denver has grown up. Longing for what it was like growing up in Colorado back then is pointless.

Instead, effort should be put into continuing to link the city with the team. Like they have done successfully in Green Bay, New Orleans and Philly.

Include and encourage rabid fans....don't isolate them. Getting yelled at for standing up at a game?!?!? For ****s sake!!!!

[watermock]

Dutch and Meck know whats happening. It's really not anyones fault, it's more the emerging elimination of the middle class...i.e. 50-200 tickets.

When you can get DTV HD Sunday ticket and an HD TV for 32 games worth of hassle? Spinning down for a seat in the 80's cost about 30 bucks, usually comped.

[lex]

Pointing a finger at an individual fan for selling for a profit is like pissing upwind. No good will come of it. People will always run to the carrot in front of them. $$$.

The focus should remain on creating the best product possible. On and off the field. The tailgate experience needs to be enhanced (Meck, you NEED that bar).....the product on the field needs to be successful....We need more team nicknames named after a third-rate orange beverages....We need naked cheerleaders...etc

The days of entire cities supporting an NFL team when they are mired in losing..like the Broncos were in the 70s...are gone. Denver has grown up. Longing for what it was like growing up in Colorado back then is pointless.

Instead, effort should be put into continuing to link the city with the team. Like they have done successfully in Green Bay, New Orleans and Philly.

Include and encourage rabid fans....don't isolate them. Getting yelled at for standing up at a game?!?!? For ****s sake!!!!

If you are going to make these "its in the nature of things" observations, its probably also worth considering the flip side. Yeah, there may be people who gravitate toward the $$$ but there are also people who will call them out...because they should get called out. If you are going to go with this "its in the nature of things" POV, its silly to appeal to either side to be more tolerant of the other.

[lex]

Sure you did dumb****.

Then you attempted to justify it by some backhand remark about how rich you are so you woudn't even consider selling your ticket for upwards of 10x its face value confirming your prick status by trying to draw a parallel between how much of a fan you are based on the size of your wallet.

Not at all and not only that but I plainly spelled out how this statement was correct. I do OK. Does that bother you? Too bad. And you know what? I probably did better than you in school as well. Does that bother you? Again, too bad. Why dont you run along now and go buy some Keystone or Coors Light... or whatever watered down crap it is you drink that you can afford and also dream of two playoff tickets materializing in your hands followed by two Steelers fans showing up on your porch offering $1000 for them.

[watermock]

Elitist crap.

[broncocalijohn]

Its not about them having a dynasty or even them....

its the fact that about 20k so called bronco fans sold there tickets........To the biggest game of the season........

thats just pathetic ive never seen anything like that in any other team AFC champ game in my life.....

maybe pathetic that the broncos fans didnt buy them up as they had the same opportunity as the Steelers fans. I personally think GB Packers are more loyal. We have our bandwagon element especially in the mid 90s but those that stayed or got the call from the waiting list ie. ME, then the loyalty was paid off. I think we are top 3 or 5 but Packers fans have got to be the biggest homers around and tough to argue that one.

[Atwater His Ass]

Not at all and not only that but I plainly spelled out how this statement was correct. I do OK. Does that bother you? Too bad. And you know what? I probably did better than you in school as well. Does that bother you? Again, too bad. Why dont you run along now and go buy some Keystone or Coors Light... or whatever watered down crap it is you drink that you can afford and also dream of two playoff tickets materializing in your hands followed by two Steelers fans showing up on your porch offering $1000 for them.

Yeah, sure you e-thug you. I highly doubt you do better than me in any facet of life wether it be education, family, friends, or financially, but that is neither here nor there and has no place in this thread.

Just so you know, I attended that AFCCG traveling from Seattle at the time. As soon as the NE victory was sealed, I was on the phone making my reservations and buying tickets. But I'm just a ****ty fan right? Been awhile since I've interacted with such an idiot.

The fact is, you made an ignorant comment and got busted on it. But keep digging your hole, at least it's entertaining.

[broncocalijohn]

1. NOT ALL THOSE TICKETS WERE ORIGINALLY OWNED BY BRONCO FANS. There are ticket brokers that had tickets to sell in bunches. They made a VERY nice profit from the Steeler fans.
2. Its very easy to sell a ticket to an opposing team if you are offered $1,000 or more for your $100 ticket. Thats how much Steeler fans were paying. Some have higher priorities than football.
3. It was very difficult to get tickets/people make the trip because they didn't think the Steelers would beat the Colts, and thus have another home playoff game. Thus, the people who lived out of state couldn't afford to go to the game, so they sell them on ebay.4. If the Broncos are losing 34-3 in the late 3rd quarter and showing no life, you bet your ass I'm leaving. I paid money to watch the team be competitive, and if they don't seem to care, I'm out.

Casino still doesnt get it. We had the same argument last month. I am one of those season ticket holders who sold his two tickets (to a broncos fan) because I went to the Pats game (where we represented very well) like a ton of out of state season ticket holder. No way was I able to afford another week back to Denver with airfare sky high for only a weeks notice. My wife and I spent a ton of money for that Pats game and when it came time that we had the AFC Title game, a no brainer that I had to sell like so many in the same situation. Consider the circumstances before you keep dribbling your rant.

[broncocalijohn]

If it happens everywhere then why dont we see it happening everywhere?Hilarious!

Its only been seen in Denver!

Never have i seen another team fans take over a stadium.........

Pitt Vs Indy game before our game.......i could actually point out how many Pitt fans i seen.......Hilarious!

But this discussion might aswell end......The true non loyal/ fair weather fans have been pointed out......

thanks for showing me who the true fans are.....

can you just shut the F up? We have to hear this from you every few weeks. Go run your post count at DB.com. God, your act is getting old.

[pdvd23]

can you just shut the F up? We have to hear this from you every few weeks. Go run your post count at DB.com. God, your act is getting old.

This guy has been here for only a couple days and is posting at a record rate, so I don't know what you're talking about every few weeks. He is right though, lately the number of opposing fans getting tickets is ****ing crazy, and a lot of them are from season ticket holders.

[TheChamp24]

This guy has been here for only a couple days and is posting at a record rate, so I don't know what you're talking about every few weeks. He is right though, lately the number of opposing fans getting tickets is ****ing crazy, and a lot of them are from season ticket holders.

Do you have proof its from season ticket holders? Like, actual season ticket holders and not brokers?

[CasinoRoyal]

Casino still doesnt get it. We had the same argument last month. I am one of those season ticket holders who sold his two tickets (to a broncos fan) because I went to the Pats game (where we represented very well) like a ton of out of state season ticket holder. No way was I able to afford another week back to Denver with airfare sky high for only a weeks notice. My wife and I spent a ton of money for that Pats game and when it came time that we had the AFC Title game, a no brainer that I had to sell like so many in the same situation. Consider the circumstances before you keep dribbling your rant.

SO because you cant attend the game you help the other team win by selling your tickets to pitt fans?

Shut that shyt up dude your just not a true fan like others here.

Period.

Thats my view on you dis loyal fans.

NO RESPECT FROM ME.

[CasinoRoyal]

can you just shut the F up? We have to hear this from you every few weeks. Go run your post count at DB.com. God, your act is getting old.

Ive only been here for a week max.......Hilarious! Wrong guy?Hilarious!

[CasinoRoyal]

Do you have proof its from season ticket holders? Like, actual season ticket holders and not brokers?

Dont they got differant sections in the stadium for season ticket holders??/

[Chris]

I do feel like the quality of the fans has deteriorated post elway / mile high. I think we were the most loyal fans...now we're just pretty good fans.

13 years here (hey, im only 23)

[CasinoRoyal]

And yes GB has the most loyal fans....

Indy fans dont sell tickets by the thousand either...

Hell its alotta team who dont sell tickets by the thousands......

But its a few who do.....BRONCOS ARE ONE OF THEM.

[DHallblows]

SO because you cant attend the game you help the other team win by selling your tickets to pitt fans?

Shut that shyt up dude your just not a true fan like others here.

Period.

Thats my view on you dis loyal fans.

NO RESPECT FROM ME.

Are you retarded? He SAID he sold them to Broncos fans...
You REALLY need to stop posting

[CasinoRoyal]

Are you retarded? He SAID he sold them to Broncos fans...
You REALLY need to stop posting

oh well.......:rofl:

My apologeez to homie who sold his tickets to Bronco fans....

But to answer your question no im not retarded.:thumbs: :rofl:

[CasinoRoyal]

I refuse to stop posting.....

I have alot built up in me.

Ive never been on a forum like this.

[lex]

Yeah, sure you e-thug you. I highly doubt you do better than me in any facet of life wether it be education, family, friends, or financially, but that is neither here nor there and has no place in this thread.

Just so you know, I attended that AFCCG traveling from Seattle at the time. As soon as the NE victory was sealed, I was on the phone making my reservations and buying tickets. But I'm just a ****ty fan right? Been awhile since I've interacted with such an idiot.

The fact is, you made an ignorant comment and got busted on it. But keep digging your hole, at least it's entertaining.


Not digging a hole. I find you entertaining. Im also not an e-thug. But if youre going to cry foul and start name calling, Im going to endulge in that. I was playing along with your name calling. And quite honestly, I dont really care how successful you are in life. You could say anything behind the anonymity of the internet. But from having read your posts, I would tend to disagree some of your assertions that are apparent attempts to save face.

[lex]

And yes GB has the most loyal fans....

Indy fans dont sell tickets by the thousand either...

Hell its alotta team who dont sell tickets by the thousands......

But its a few who do.....BRONCOS ARE ONE OF THEM.

No, again, you fail to make the distinction between having the largest number of fans vs having the most loyal fans. I agree that some people sold their tickets for profit and that its lame and disgusting and that it shouldnt be allowed but I also think you are attributing it all to that when in reality there are other factors that have been pointed out to you. But like I previously said, Colorado should really look into a couple of different laws that are out there.

[CasinoRoyal]

I aint say nothing about who ahs the largest amount of fans............

The thread title said "loyal".

Im talkin loyal fans.

So what the hell are you talking about dude?

When its all said and done Broncos are not the NFLs most loyal fans.......G

[lex]

I aint say nothing about who ahs the largest amount of fans............

The thread title said "loyal".

Im talkin loyal fans.

So what the hell are you talking about dude?

When its all said and done Broncos are not the NFLs most loyal fans.......G

As I said before youre failing to make the distinction between largest and most loyal. First of all, most loyal could be viewed over a breadth of time or as a snap shot. Secondly, youre looking at a lot of people in the stands and getting upset and then attributing it to one thing. But that one thing is only part of it. Its been pointed out to you that tickets have become more accessible to fans of other teams and when you have teams that have large national fanbases, the current setup makes it easier for them to have access to road games. There are various factors to this. I acknowledge what youre saying but only to an extent. I acknowledge your point but youre being overly myopic here.

[Bronx33]

2005 AFC championship attendence

http://www.sportingchronicle.com/nfl/afcchampionship.html

76,775 total -10,000 steeler fans even if there were that many = 66,775 bronco fans also a certain amount of tickets were earmarked for the opposing teams fans how many iam not positive and iam sure a few got tickets by other means scalpers don't care who the tickets go too.

[CasinoRoyal]

whoops GB and Browns got the msot loyal fans

[MrPeepers]

SO because you cant attend the game you help the other team win by selling your tickets to pitt fans?

Shut that shyt up dude your just not a true fan like others here.

Period.

Thats my view on you dis loyal fans.

NO RESPECT FROM ME.



age 23 going on 12? Diarrhea of the mouth.

[Bronx33]

What casinos problem is he is assuming 10k tickets were sold by bronco fans most of those tickets were earmarked for the pittfans anyways and the majority were picked up by scalpers and sold to the highest bidder. Hes pointing a finger and has no clue to base his assumption on ( keep on keepin on) i guess.

[SleepingTiger]

Been a Bronco fan since 83 and always will be. Unlike CasinoRoyal, I can keep things in perspective. The Broncos to me is another form of entertainment, not a way of life. If I was able to able to obtain the tickets to the game and some guy is willing to pay me 1000 for them, i would sell them in a heartbeat. It does not change the fact that i am still a Bronco fan. It does however show I have priorities in life and the Broncos are somewhere in their.

According to CasinoRoyal, if the Broncos isn't your top priority, than you are a fair weather fan.

[Atwater His Ass]

What casinos problem is he is assuming 10k tickets were sold by bronco fans most of those tickets were earmarked for the pittfans anyways and the majority were picked up by scalpers and sold to the highest bidder. Hes pointing a finger and has no clue to base his assumption on ( keep on keepin on) i guess.

for emphasis

[Atwater His Ass]

Not digging a hole. I find you entertaining. Im also not an e-thug. But if youre going to cry foul and start name calling, Im going to endulge in that. I was playing along with your name calling. And quite honestly, I dont really care how successful you are in life. You could say anything behind the anonymity of the internet. But from having read your posts, I would tend to disagree some of your assertions that are apparent attempts to save face.

Do you even read your own posts?

[*WARHORSE*]

Bronco fan since 1974.:peace:




sssssssSSSSSSSSKKKKK!:strong:

[TomServo]

the old days are gone. GONE. doesnt matter if your a bronco fan since '62. it doesent matter. just like that don henley song says: "those days are gone forever, i should just let 'em go but".....
old mile high rocked, but it sucked squeezing into those seats w/everyone was wearing winter gear.

[watermock]

Frankly, I don't find pro sports as compelling anymore for a variety of reasons.

It's all about the $$$. I do like my 42" hdtv tho, even tho I have to use cable and Fox and ABC still aren't HD for some damn reason. HD theater is pretty cool.

I also dig my new dual core HD puter cause of the streaming.

The Broncos are on an upswing too, it's all good.

[Play2win]

Frankly, I don't find pro sports as compelling anymore for a variety of reasons.

It's all about the $$$. I do like my 42" hdtv tho, even tho I have to use cable and Fox and ABC still aren't HD for some damn reason. HD theater is pretty cool.

What about MSNBC...


j/k... ;D

[watermock]

I'm on the 500 channels are HD, but they are all PPV. The ABC tower fell down last year so...I'm expecting it HD around 2/09.

I'm pretty comfortable compared to the nightmare I was in for 8 months.

[lex]

Do you even read your own posts?

What point do you feel youre making?

[CasinoRoyal]

Been a Bronco fan since 83 and always will be. Unlike CasinoRoyal, I can keep things in perspective. The Broncos to me is another form of entertainment, not a way of life. If I was able to able to obtain the tickets to the game and some guy is willing to pay me 1000 for them, i would sell them in a heartbeat. It does not change the fact that i am still a Bronco fan. It does however show I have priorities in life and the Broncos are somewhere in their.

According to CasinoRoyal, if the Broncos isn't your top priority, than you are a fair weather fan.

yeah basically your a poor excuse for a fan.ROFL!

[Bronx33]

you still makin friends right and left casino?

[ElwayMD]

He's the forums goodwill ambassador...

Broncos fan for 22 years...lived in Pittsburgh for 14 of them it was tough. I know its been said but Pittsburgh fans travel like no other plus they are extremely popular with what I'll call "non-committed" fans. You'll always find a sea of black and gold on the road, just a fact of life.

[CasinoRoyal]

you still makin friends right and left casino?

yeah i love real fans.

[DHallblows]

yeah i love real fans.

Real fan=someone who posts 560 times on a forum in 2 days? ???
I'm a ****ty fan...

[Mountain Bronco]

I bet there was over 20K at the AFC Championship game. I thought at least a 1/4 of the stadium. I was there as well. Bronco's fans have gone down hill, but that is more due to the prices and the wine and cheese fans.

[CasinoRoyal]

Real fan=someone who posts 560 times on a forum in 2 days? ???
I'm a ****ty fan...

yeah not about selling my tickets to pitt fans tho

[CasinoRoyal]

I bet there was over 20K at the AFC Championship game. I thought at least a 1/4 of the stadium. I was there as well. Bronco's fans have gone down hill, but that is more due to the prices and the wine and cheese fans.

Exactly i know what the hell i seen on tv.

these idiots trying to defend bullshyt fans.

There were 20k pitt fans.

That has never happend in any game the steelers have traveled too.....NEVER.

[broncocalijohn]

This guy has been here for only a couple days and is posting at a record rate, so I don't know what you're talking about every few weeks. He is right though, lately the number of opposing fans getting tickets is ****ing crazy, and a lot of them are from season ticket holders.

I think he is OOJack just name change. Same spew, same attitude equals same AHole. If you are going to post that many times, at least do it drunk so we can think back to Mock's pre PB days.

[CasinoRoyal]

I think he is OOJack just name change. Same spew, same attitude equals same AHole. If you are going to post that many times, at least do it drunk so we can think back to Mock's pre PB days.

Naw im just me.....