Who has less experience?

[Bob]

Palin or Obama?

I think it is close -- being a community organizer how does that make one qualified to run a country? How long did Obama serve his county on a national scene before he decided to start contructing his Greek temple?

[frerottenextelway]

Let me speak with pictures....

Wasilla City Council

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/kubla000/319098225_e3fb99541f.jpg

Illinois Capital

http://i.pbase.com/u47/slowrance/large/30211378.IllinoisStateCapital.jpg

[ant1999e]

It doesn't matter. Obama's daughter isn't pregnant.

[TheDave]

who cars she isn't running for president...

[Crushaholic]

Let me speak with pictures....

Wasilla City Council

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/kubla000/319098225_e3fb99541f.jpg

Illinois Capital

http://i.pbase.com/u47/slowrance/large/30211378.IllinoisStateCapital.jpg

Her most recent job has been governor of an entire state. Nice try, though...LOL

[frerottenextelway]

Her most recent job has been governor of an entire state. Nice try, though...LOL

And Obama's is a U.S. Senator, which I skipped also. I went back 1 job prior for each, where Obama was a State Senator for 8 years and Palin was in Wasilla. It's a fair comparison.

[Dudeskey]

Obama has experience in constitutional law... hell he taught it for over a decade.

[BroncoInferno]

Her most recent job has been governor of an entire state. Nice try, though...LOL

A state of 600,000....roughly the size of the south side of Chicago. Nice try yourself.

[stugotsII]

It's actually 680,000 plus, which is 680,000 more people than Obama has governed.

[Mr.Meanie]

how many people has McCain governed?

[Rohirrim]

Obama has experience in constitutional law... hell he taught it for over a decade.

Can he field strip a moose?

[stugotsII]

how many people has McCain governed?

The same as Obama...with about 24 more years of federal government experience.

Obama could very well be the least qualified candidate for President this country has ever seen.

[BroncoInferno]

The same as Obama...with about 24 more years of federal government experience.

Obama could very well be the least qualified candidate for President this country has ever seen.

His experience is comparable to that of Lincoln, Wilson, Eisenhower, and Kennedy. On the other hand, guys like LBJ and Nixon were long-time Washington stalwarts. Not saying that means he will be a good President, but "experience" does necessarily signal anything either way.

[Dudeskey]

Can he field strip a moose?

:spit: Can that be done without having your ass trampled?

[stugotsII]

His experience is comparable to that of Lincoln, Wilson, Eisenhower, and Kennedy. On the other hand, guys like LBJ and Nixon were long-time Washington stalwarts. Not saying that means he will be a good President, but "experience" does necessarily signal anything either way.

So Obama is Lincoln, Kennedy and Eisenhower now?

[Beantown Bronco]

"W" had 7 years of Presidential experience and look where it's gotten us this year.

[Mr.Meanie]

The same as Obama...with about 24 more years of federal government experience.

Obama could very well be the least qualified candidate for President this country has ever seen.


Oops...almost forgot. Senate experience only counts if you're a Republican. lol

[BroncoInferno]

So Obama is Lincoln, Kennedy and Eisenhower now?

Did you just ignore the part where I said that "it doesn't mean that he'll be a good president" or what? My point by mentioning them is that you can lack political experience and be a good president (like Lincoln et al), while the most experienced politicians can be bad presidents (like Nixon et al).

[DenverBrit]

I'll take common sense and doing what is best for the country, over experience, ideology and dogma.
Hopefully, so will most of the voters.

[stugotsII]

Oops...almost forgot. Senate experience only counts if you're a Republican. lol

It counts more than Obama's time running for President.

[Taco John]

It's a fair comparison.



No it's not. It was a clear distortion of the truth.

[Garcia Bronco]

Easily Palin, but she's not running for President. Either way, Both McCain and Palin have more government experience than Obama, but that isn't a bad thing either.

[Garcia Bronco]

The same as Obama...with about 24 more years of federal government experience.

Obama could very well be the least qualified candidate for President this country has ever seen.

Maybe in the modern era. William Henry Harrison, Chest Arthur, Andrew Johnson, Abe Lincoln, and US Grant were very much inexperienced

[Garcia Bronco]

Did you just ignore the part where I said that "it doesn't mean that he'll be a good president" or what? My point by mentioning them is that you can lack political experience and be a good president (like Lincoln et al), while the most experienced politicians can be bad presidents (like Nixon et al).

Lincoln was NOT a good President. He violated the Constitution more than GWB ever did. Many poeople don't know that.

[snowspot66]

Comparison of the value of experience:

Nurse 1 (unexperienced)

Patients starts having issues. Nurse takes stock of problem. Extra slow and careful so as to not screw up. Eventually chooses wrong course of action and patient dies.

Nurse 2 (decades of experience)

Patient starts having issues. Nurse takes stock of problem. Quick and effiecient, immediately chooses course of action while avoiding mistake of Nurse 1. Immediately makes a different mistake and patient dies.

End result? Patient died faster with the experienced nurse than the unexperienced one.

This wasn't a real person but a simulation that was run to test how well experience helps. The results showed that experience could help do things quicker but could also end in total disaster even faster than with an unexperienced person.

This "experience" argument is complete hot air. You don't know how they will perform until they have the office. Everybody thinks experience is the be all end all and that's why when the countless number of people who come out of nowhere with no experience and succeed always surprise everybody else.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"W" had 7 years of Presidential experience and look where it's gotten us this year.

QFT. :yep:

[Rohirrim]

Lincoln was NOT a good President. He violated the Constitution more than GWB ever did. Many poeople don't know that.

Most historians consider Lincoln America's greatest president.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Did you just ignore the part where I said that "it doesn't mean that he'll be a good president" or what? My point by mentioning them is that you can lack political experience and be a good president (like Lincoln et al), while the most experienced politicians can be bad presidents (like Nixon et al).

Dude: You're arguing with a guy who hadn't even heard of troopergate until it was brought to his attention on this board last night (yet he was here tenaciously defending Palin.)

That's the mentality you're dealing with. ;)

[Garcia Bronco]

Most historians consider Lincoln America's greatest president.

Do you have a problem with warrantless wire tapes?

Do you know why Lincoln was one of the worst Presidents of all time?

[Rohirrim]

Do you have a problem with warrantless wire tapes?

Do you know why Lincoln was one of the worst Presidents of all time?

Because he suspended habeas corpus and locked up dissidents and reporters without trial who were trying to stir up rebellion in the rear and because he shut down freedoms in the border states? You've heard of the Civil War, right?

[Garcia Bronco]

Because he suspended habeas corpus and locked up dissidents and reporters without trial who were trying to stir up rebellion in the rear and because he shut down freedoms in the border states? You've heard of the Civil War, right?


Sounds like a place in Cuba.

Who has the power in our government to suspend Habeas Corpus?

[frerottenextelway]

No it's not. It was a clear distortion of the truth.

It's where Obama worked immediately prior to becoming a Senator and where Palin worked immediately prior to becoming Governor - that's a cold hard fact Taco whether you dig it or not.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's where Obama worked immediately prior to becoming a Senator and where Palin worked immediately prior to becoming Governor - that's a cold hard fact Taco whether you dig it or not.

Yeah, one is in the state legislature and the other is actually in-charge of a town. Which includes power, infrastructure, economy. The stae legislature...not-so-much. It is a cold hard fact and one that Obama cannot compete on. If you want to pimp Obama, you have to talk about his ideas, which are better than most of McCains. But you can't play the experience card or what Obama has accomplished, because it's about jack-**** for the exception of legislation for his own state.

[TheDave]

You people have no idea what town mayors actually do... My father in law is mayor of a city in southern california. Trust me, you wouldn't brag about his "Experience" if he was running for president.

[Mr.Meanie]

Garcia you're saying that being a mayor of a town of 5,000 people qualifies you to be president more than being in the Illinois state legislature for 8 years? Wow.

To be honest, I'm not super political on either side (I think Romney would be better than all of them, really) - but watching people suck up their Party talking points and regurgitate them almost word for word still surprises me sometimes.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Sarah Palin has had more executive experience than the last 7 Democrat VP nominees combined.

Biden no years executive experience

Edwards no years executive experience

Lieberman no years executive experience

Gore no years executive experience

Bentsen no years executive experience

Ferraro no years executive experience

Mondale no years executive experience

Palin has 6 years as mayor, 2 years as governor, 1 year running the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (an executive position)

The governor of Alaska gets more exposure to international and national security issues that any other governor in the nation.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's, and she oversees the Alaska National Guard, which unlike other NG division is ALWAYS on active wartime footing and in fact her job as Alaska governor requires her to oversee America's ballistic missile defense, there are all sorts of treaty issues, missile defense stuff, bases, etc up there, so being Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard is a VERY big deal, the military is a very big presence in Alaska. She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans, she successfully negotiated an oil pipeline agreement with the Canadian government (thus meaning that she has more foreign policy experience than Obama)....

And the most important thing is that Palin is # 2 on the ticket, not #1. It is okay for the vice president to be less qualified and experienced than the president and in fact, this is the way it usually is.


Funny how Democrats didn't care about experience between 2007-2008 when their top 3 presidential contenders had, combined, less experience than Dan Quayle had in 1988.

[frerottenextelway]

Yeah, one is in the state legislature and the other is actually in-charge of a town. Which includes power, infrastructure, economy. The stae legislature...not-so-much. It is a cold hard fact and one that Obama cannot compete on. If you want to pimp Obama, you have to talk about his ideas, which are better than most of McCains. But you can't play the experience card or what Obama has accomplished, because it's about jack-**** for the exception of legislation for his own state.

Dude, she was elected as a very small town mayor with 600 votes and was nearly recalled. A State Senator is a serious job - especially a state the size of Illinois - this comparison is a joke.

[frerottenextelway]

You people have no idea what town mayors actually do... My father in law is mayor of a city in southern california. Trust me, you wouldn't brag about his "Experience" if he was running for president.

Your Father-in-Law has more experience than Joe Biden according to some peeps!!!! Hilarious!

[Mr.Meanie]

Sarah Palin has had more executive experience than the last 7 Democrat VP nominees combined.

Biden no years executive experience

Edwards no years executive experience

Lieberman no years executive experience

Gore no years executive experience

Bentsen no years executive experience

Ferraro no years executive experience

Mondale no years executive experience

Palin has 6 years as mayor, 2 years as governor, 1 year running the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (an executive position)

The governor of Alaska gets more exposure to international and national security issues that any other governor in the nation.
As governor of Alaska, Palin is briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counterterrorism. Her exposure to classified material may rival even Biden's, and she oversees the Alaska National Guard, which unlike other NG division is ALWAYS on active wartime footing and in fact her job as Alaska governor requires her to oversee America's ballistic missile defense, there are all sorts of treaty issues, missile defense stuff, bases, etc up there, so being Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard is a VERY big deal, the military is a very big presence in Alaska. She's also the commander in chief of the Alaska State Defense Force (ASDF), a federally recognized militia incorporated into Homeland Security's counterterrorism plans, she successfully negotiated an oil pipeline agreement with the Canadian government (thus meaning that she has more foreign policy experience than Obama)....

And the most important thing is that Palin is # 2 on the ticket, not #1. It is okay for the vice president to be less qualified and experienced than the president and in fact, this is the way it usually is.


Funny how Democrats didn't care about experience between 2007-2008 when their top 3 presidential contenders had, combined, less experience than Dan Quayle had in 1988.

LOL

So why put a McCain as the #1? She's clearly more qualified than McCain.

[frerottenextelway]

Garcia you're saying that being a mayor of a town of 5,000 people qualifies you to be president more than being in the Illinois state legislature for 8 years? Wow.


Yeah, I'm a pretty Parisan guy, but I'm not sure I could make Garcia's argument with a straight face.

[frerottenextelway]

LOL

So why put a McCain as the #1? She's clearly more qualified than McCain.

LOL Hilarious! LOL

[Smiling Assassin27]

Dude, she was elected as a very small town mayor with 600 votes and was nearly recalled. A State Senator is a serious job - especially a state the size of Illinois - this comparison is a joke.

Yeah, Illinois, with the help of Obama racked up one of the largest (if not THE largest) deficit in the nation. I won't even mention the tenuous state of the Illinios pension fund or the exhorbitant cost of utilities that Obama was a contributor to in the Illinois state legislature.

Oh yeah, he voted to refuse infants who somehow survive an abortion any medical care but instead they were supposed to die alone in a friggin closet--great state senator.

[frerottenextelway]

Yeah, Illinois, with the help of Obama racked up one of the largest (if not THE largest) deficit in the nation. I won't even mention the tenuous state of the Illinios pension fund or the exhorbitant cost of utilities that Obama was a contributor to in the Illinois state legislature.

Oh yeah, he voted to refuse infants who somehow survive an abortion any medical care but instead they were supposed to die alone in a friggin closet--great state senator.

He voted to uphold Roe v. Wade, as I schooled someone else here on this before. Palin, on the other hand, stated in a Governor debate that if her child were raped she believed she should have to be forced to carry it through.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/purplerose420/mccain01.jpg

[Smiling Assassin27]

He voted to uphold Roe v. Wade, as I schooled someone else here on this before. Palin, on the other hand, stated in a Governor debate that if her child were raped she believed she should have to be forced to carry it through.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/purplerose420/mccain01.jpg

With all due respect, the Federal version of that legislation did NOTHING to Roe and was the same one Obama voted against. Obfuscation will get you nowhere. If he was voting to preserve Roe, he obviously isn't smart enough to realize that it wasn't that at all--again, bad senator.

p.s. Obama's already admitted as much after called on the carpet.

[Mr.Meanie]

Yeah, Illinois, with the help of Obama racked up one of the largest (if not THE largest) deficit in the nation. I won't even mention the tenuous state of the Illinios pension fund or the exhorbitant cost of utilities that Obama was a contributor to in the Illinois state legislature.

Oh yeah, he voted to refuse infants who somehow survive an abortion any medical care but instead they were supposed to die alone in a friggin closet--great state senator.

Hey I'm perfectly fine talking about policy points, and you could probably come up with very good points about Obama's past positions. But seriously...just stop with the bogus "executive experience" claims. ::)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL

So why put a McCain as the #1? She's clearly more qualified than McCain.

:laugh: :D

[SonOfLe-loLang]

This is really the stupidest argument and I CANNOT BELIEVE the republicans are trying to make it. It's clear she has little experience, especially in a state unlike any other in the US.

Claiming that she has control of the Alaskan National Guard is a joke. First off, anything Iraq related is controlled by the pentagon. The only thing she has done is deploying them to fight forest fires. The fact that they are even bringing up her experience in the PTA is just embarrassing. And as someone mentioned before, you can't say her executive experience trumps obama because mccain has none either. And some talking head honestly said she had experience with Russia because of Alaska's location.

Im surprised they arent deflecting the criticism and showing what they feel her positive attributes are. What she brings to the ticket. Currently, trying to compare her to obama is a losing battle. No one will ever buy that.

[Play2win]

OK, I think I am finally starting to understand how BUSH ever got elected president...

So sad, pathetic really...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is really the stupidest argument and I CANNOT BELIEVE the republicans are trying to make it. It's clear she has little experience, especially in a state unlike any other in the US.

Claiming that she has control of the Alaskan National Guard is a joke. First off, anything Iraq related is controlled by the pentagon. The only thing she has done is deploying them to fight forest fires. The fact that they are even bringing up her experience in the PTA is just embarrassing. And as someone mentioned before, you can't say her executive experience trumps obama because mccain has none either. And some talking head honestly said she had experience with Russia because of Alaska's location.

Im surprised they arent deflecting the criticism and showing what they feel her positive attributes are. What she brings to the ticket. Currently, trying to compare her to obama is a losing battle. No one will ever buy that.

QFT.

I was LMAO at the Russia thing. :laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

OK, I think I am finally starting to understand how BUSH ever got elected president...

So sad, pathetic really...

Yep.

Give the righties a good ol' boy (or gal) who's a "true believer" and/or a guy you'd like to have a beer with, and they'll overlook any shortcoming or sin.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Yep.

Give the righties a good ol' boy (or gal) who's a "true believer" and/or a guy you'd like to have a beer with, and they'll overlook any shortcoming or sin.

They know they cant run on the issues, so they run on character and attempt to make the dems into the "wimpy" party. And they've been rather successful at it. Most humans are dumb, what can i say

[frerottenextelway]

With all due respect, the Federal version of that legislation did NOTHING to Roe and was the same one Obama voted against. Obfuscation will get you nowhere. If he was voting to preserve Roe, he obviously isn't smart enough to realize that it wasn't that at all--again, bad senator.

p.s. Obama's already admitted as much after called on the carpet.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/08/20/america/abortion.php

But the Illinois proposal always had a companion bill. The accompanying legislation, called the Induced Infant Liability Act, would have allowed legal action "on the child's behalf for damages, including costs of care to preserve and protect the life, health and safety of the child, punitive damages, and costs and attorney's fees, against a hospital, health care facility or health care provider who harms or neglects the child or fails to provide medical care to the child after the child's birth."

Groups that favor abortion rights say that bill would have introduced the possibility that doctors could be sued for failing to take extraordinary measures to save the lives of pre-viable infants, those born so prematurely that they could not possibly survive. As a result, they argue, it is disingenuous of anti-abortion organizations to claim that Obama was moving to quash only a narrow and innocuous definitional bill identical to U.S. law.

"I can tell you the sponsors always wanted the entire package of bills, which were introduced together and analyzed together," said Pam Sutherland, who was president of the Illinois branch of Planned Parenthood at the time. "They never wanted them separated, because they wanted to make sure that physicians would be chilled into not performing abortions for fear of going to jail."

Here's the companion bill:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1083&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3911&SessionID=3&GA=93

Synopsis As Introduced
Creates the Induced Birth Infant Liability Act and amends the State Finance Act. Provides that, if a child is born alive after an induced labor abortion or other abortion, a parent of the child or the public guardian may maintain an action on the child's behalf for damages, including costs of care to preserve and protect the life, health, and safety of the child, punitive damages, and costs and attorney's fees, against a hospital, health care facility, or health care provider who harms or neglects the child or fails to provide medical care to the child after the child's birth. Provides that damages shall be used to pay for the cost of preserving and protecting the life, health, and safety of the child. Provides that, if the child does not survive, the balance remaining after the costs of preserving and protecting the life, health, and safety of the child are paid shall be deposited into the Neonatal Care and Perinatal Hospice Fund, a special fund in the State treasury. Provides that the Fund shall be used by the Department of Public Health to make grants for neonatal care or perinatal hospice.

The companion bill is an all out assault against Roe v. Wade - giving free reign for abortion doctors to be sued up the ass if they don't do everything for those that are non-viable.

Also, the U.S. bill contained these words,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:5:./temp/~c107rAkEq7::

`(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being `born alive' as defined in this section.'.

which the State Senate bill did not.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=09300SB1082&GA=93&SessionId=3&DocTypeId=SB&LegID=3910&DocNum=1082&GAID=3&Session

Next....

[Bob]

Lincoln was NOT a good President. He violated the Constitution more than GWB ever did. Many poeople don't know that.

One of the first things I have heard you say that I disagree with -- to preserve the Union he did what was required -- he was a great man and president, and I woudl hate to see what kind of country we would have inherited if it wasnt for his service. From that perspective -- what kind of US do you think we woudl have had if the little fatt guy (cant remember his name right now) had been elected instead?

[Rohirrim]

LOL

So why put a McCain as the #1? She's clearly more qualified than McCain.

LOL

Wow! All that massive experience and she's still a religious nut job.

[Rohirrim]

This is really the stupidest argument and I CANNOT BELIEVE the republicans are trying to make it. It's clear she has little experience, especially in a state unlike any other in the US.

Claiming that she has control of the Alaskan National Guard is a joke. First off, anything Iraq related is controlled by the pentagon. The only thing she has done is deploying them to fight forest fires. The fact that they are even bringing up her experience in the PTA is just embarrassing. And as someone mentioned before, you can't say her executive experience trumps obama because mccain has none either. And some talking head honestly said she had experience with Russia because of Alaska's location.

Im surprised they arent deflecting the criticism and showing what they feel her positive attributes are. What she brings to the ticket. Currently, trying to compare her to obama is a losing battle. No one will ever buy that.

You'd think that, being up in Alaska near the Arctic Circle and all, she would also be an expert on global warming, but she doesn't believe in it. ???

[Spider]

Experience .............who in the hell cares

[Bob]

Because he suspended habeas corpus and locked up dissidents and reporters without trial who were trying to stir up rebellion in the rear and because he shut down freedoms in the border states? You've heard of the Civil War, right?

Amen! In the case of the destruction of the US -- vs putting those things on hold -- one does what is needed...hell.

Come to think of it --its almost like drilling for oil...:wiggle:

[Rohirrim]

Amen! In the case of the destruction of the US -- vs putting those things on hold -- one does what is needed...hell.

Come to think of it --its almost like drilling for oil...:wiggle:

Or putting solar panels on every house and business in America and everybody switching over to plug-in cars which would accomplish 100 times more ten times faster.

Of course, it wouldn't fill Big Oil's pockets with money.

[Bronco Bob]

Palin or Obama?

I think it is close -- being a community organizer how does that make one qualified to run a country? How long did Obama serve his county on a national scene before he decided to start contructing his Greek temple?

Greek temple? What you talken' about, Willis?

[Bronco Bob]

They know they cant run on the issues, so they run on character and attempt to make the dems into the "wimpy" party. And they've been rather successful at it. Most humans are dumb, what can i say

McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis flat out said that. The campaign isn't
about issues, it's about personalities.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-hammers-m.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis flat out said that. The campaign isn't
about issues, it's about personalities.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-hammers-m.html

Translation: Stand by to launch swift boats on commander Rove's command...

[Rigs11]

McCain's Tricky Calculation

Palin is 'change'—but keeps the 'experience' issue alive.


Faced with a shaggy, seat-of-the-pants convention, Republicans are determined to get back on message. So now their new, more disciplined line is about experience. That's right, after John McCain selected a vice presidential candidate who is clearly unprepared to be president, his aides—and any other Republicans who want a future in the partyare singing from the same choir book. In speeches, interviews, a new ad, and even off-the-record sessions with reporters, the line is that Sarah Palin is more prepared than Barack Obama to be president.

I asked a senior McCain aide on Tuesday: "So what you're saying is that Barack Obama is not ready to be president on day one, but Sarah Palin is?"

"Yes," he said with a straight face.

Obama won 18 million votes, faced countless tough interviews and emerged with a reputation for fluency in discussing affairs of state, whatever one thinks of his politics. Palin's vote totals for mayor were measured in the hundreds; she has served only 20 months as governor of a state half the size of Brooklyn, and knows nothing of national or international issues beyond energy.

No matter. The argument stands.

Here's the logic, if you can call it that. Governors and mayors have executive experience, and the presidency is an executive job. Palin has been a manager and Obama has not. When faced with the obvious question—"So does that mean that Palin is more qualified than McCain, who has never been an executive?"— Republicans (working from talking points) have an answer. McCain commanded a training squadron in Florida in 1976 (the fact that he was not promoted to flag rank afterwards doesn't get mentioned).

continued...



http://www.newsweek.com/id/156982

[Drek]

Sarah Palin has had more executive experience than the last 7 Democrat VP nominees combined.

Biden no years executive experience

Edwards no years executive experience

Lieberman no years executive experience

Gore no years executive experience

Bentsen no years executive experience

Ferraro no years executive experience

Mondale no years executive experience


John McCain no years of executive experience.

FYI, Obama was an Illinois Senator for 8 years with a constituency about the same population of Alaska. He's now spent about 4 years in Washington as a Senator.

Palin has less than two years experience as governor, before that her next best claim to a executive position was governor of a small town.

She said in her speech that the difference between being a community organizer and a mayor is that she was accountable. Well what does it matter if you were supposedly accountable when you left your town more than $20M in debt while Obama grew his organization in funding (5 fold) and staffing (13 fold) with half the time?

I'll say it again. Barack Obama is the most qualified presidential candidate we've had since before Reagan. He's more intelligent and he's better educated as to what this country is all about at its constitutional core. His entire professional career is directly applicable to the job of POTUS, from defending voter rights as a civil rights lawyer, to being a civil organizer, to being a teacher of constitutional law. Everything he has done since graduating high school has helped to prepare him for the job. The only people who can't handle that are the blindly right or people who seriously want to vote based on who they'd rather have a drink with.

[Sassy]

Obama as president will run this country to the ground.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama as president will run this country to the ground.

Wow - that was a compelling argument.

I know I'm convinced. Ha!

[Bronco Bob]

Obama as president will run this country to the ground.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Dubya's last 8 years already did that.

[Sassy]

Nah...I'll let the candidates argue it out.
I'm not very political.
LOL!...but I did like Sarah's speech...
From what I've listened to and read...Obama is going to raise taxes sky high...
Yeah...we want that?? Not.

I'd rather argue about Marshall :devil: ;D

[Rohirrim]

Obama as president will run this country to the ground.

Ha! Bush has already taken care of that.

[Sassy]

So...those of you for Obama and his "change" argument...just "how" is that "change" going to happen. He's said nothing...and in order to "change"...it's going to end up being the taxpayer's bill...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha! Bush has already taken care of that.

:yep:

[Sassy]

Ha! Bush has already taken care of that.

Yeah...like BUSH had everything to do with it?
Congress has a say in that....

[Rigs11]

Nah...I'll let the candidates argue it out.
I'm not very political.
LOL!...but I did like Sarah's speech...
From what I've listened to and read...Obama is going to raise taxes sky high...
Yeah...we want that?? Not.

I'd rather argue about Marshall :devil: ;D

You've been reading BS. Obama will cut taxes for 95% of americans.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm not very political.


Political enough to have formed an opinion about Obama based on _______?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

So...those of you for Obama and his "change" argument...just "how" is that "change" going to happen. He's said nothing...and in order to "change"...it's going to end up being the taxpayer's bill...

Well you admitted youre not political, but you should read the obama tax plan. He will increase taxes...on people making over 600,000 dollars. If youre in that bracket, you can probably handle it. Obama's plan will DECREASE taxes for 95 percent of America.

And obama's tax code is similar to reagans. Repubs keep forgetting that Bush to the conservative memo and ran it off a cliff. ITS BROKEN. If Obama rolls out the general democratic playbook, the middle class will strengthen. look it up, when dems are in office, the middle class is more prosperous

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You've been reading BS. Obama will cut taxes for 95% of americans.

It's scary, isn't it?

Every election, the same uninformed voters make the same horrible choices based on disinformation (or no information.)

[Bronco Bob]

From what I've listened to and read...Obama is going to raise taxes sky high...
Yeah...we want that?? Not.


Then try reading some real news article instead of the drivel from
the right wing propaganda machines.

[Sassy]

You've been reading BS. Obama will cut taxes for 95% of americans.

...and maybe you have? How do you know.
Just how does he do that then?

...yeah...and those who have a lot of money...those who have earned their money from the ground up by working hard...just because they make more why do they deserve to be taxed more?

[ant1999e]

...and maybe you have? How do you know.
Just how does he do that then?

...yeah...and those who have a lot of money...those who have earned their money from the ground up by working hard...just because they make more why do they deserve to be taxed more?

Cause Obama says so.;)

[Bronco Bob]

Yeah...like BUSH had everything to do with it?
Congress has a say in that....

Yes, and for the first 6 year the GOP led congress said

"Where is my rubber stamp? Ahh, there it is."

[Sassy]

Then try reading some real news article instead of the drivel from
the right wing propaganda machines.

Excuse me? How the hell do you know what I'm reading and listening to?
Gee, maybe you should follow your own advice? Most of it's political "BS" anyway for both candidates probably.

[Bronco Bob]

...and maybe you have? How do you know.
Just how does he do that then?

.

And you know Obama would raise taxes on everyone because?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Then try reading some real news article instead of the drivel from
the right wing propaganda machines.

Ding ding ding! :yep:

If I recall, the last time I got into a political argument with Sassy, she told me Al Gore was a crook.

When I asked her what evidence she based this assessment on, her answer was something along the lines of "I don't know - he just seems that way."

God help us all! :oyvey:

[ant1999e]

Excuse me? How the hell do you know what I'm reading and listening to?
Gee, maybe you should follow your own advice? Most of it's political "BS" anyway for both candidates probably.

If you disagree with "THEM", then you are "a crazy right wing bush bot drinking the kool aid" and get all of your news from faux and bill o'lielly.

[Rigs11]

...and maybe you have? How do you know.
Just how does he do that then?

...yeah...and those who have a lot of money...those who have earned their money from the ground up by working hard...just because they make more why do they deserve to be taxed more?

He raises taxes on people making more than 250K.Capital gains, income taxes would rise for them.

[Bronco Bob]

Excuse me? How the hell do you know what I'm reading and listening to?
Gee, maybe you should follow your own advice? Most of it's political "BS" anyway for both candidates probably.

Because you come off as pretty damn ignorant, if you want the honest truth.
Just spouting off the same GOP talking points I've heard a hundred times
before.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

By her own admission, Sassy "isn't very political" - so it's all about brand loyalty, it would seem.

[Bronco Bob]

If you disagree with "THEM", then you are "a crazy right wing bush bot drinking the kool aid" and get all of your news from faux and bill o'lielly.

And your point is?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/12/GR2008061200193.gif

The numbers originated from the Tax Policy Center (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/index.cfm) - a very highly respected independent and non-partisan group.

[Sassy]

He raises taxes on people making more than 250K.Capital gains, income taxes would rise for them.

Why should he?
Tell me why those people should pay more just because they make more.

[Rohirrim]

Yeah...like BUSH had everything to do with it?
Congress has a say in that....

I'm not going to defend this gutless Congress, that's for sure, but I believe the captain is responsible for what takes place on his ship. He steers the course. He's the decider. IMO, Bush is the worst president in American history. I'm really tired of all his jingoism, cowboy unilateralism and supply side economics, which has clearly been an abomination for the American people while the top 5% have raked in the wealth of this nation to the point where they have outdone the robber barons of the 1890s. This country is skewed all out of balance. When I look at McCain all I see is four more years of the same. Time to give the other side a shot.

[Bronco Bob]

Why should he?
Tell me why those people should pay more just because they make more.

Maybe because they can afford it more?

[Rigs11]

Why should he?
Tell me why those people should pay more just because they make more.

because they got tax cuts under bush.Tell me why they are currently paying less?

[Sassy]

Because you come off as pretty damn ignorant, if you want the honest truth.
Just spouting off the same GOP talking points I've heard a hundred times
before.

and you come off as an ass. I'm not in here to argue. Just to read opinions.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Why should he?
Tell me why those people should pay more just because they make more.

Maybe because we live in a society where we can actually afford to take care of one another? Or, how about the economy functions better when the middle class is stronger. Where do you think they get their money from? It doesnt grow on trees, it comes from the spending middle class.

I think these people will be ok without that extra speedboat in the name of universal healthcare.

Jesus, didnt you ever learn to share and be apart of a community? The selfishness disgusts me. The poor rich, what will they ever do.

[Sassy]

Maybe because they can afford it more?

WHY~why should people who make more pay more? Seriously. Why the hell should they pay the majority and take care of the bill because other people can't...how is that fair? Most have earned that money fair and square. Why should it be taken away?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm not going to defend this gutless Congress, that's for sure, but I believe the captain is responsible for what takes place on his ship. He steers the course. He's the decider. IMO, Bush is the worst president in American history. I'm really tired of all his jingoism, cowboy unilateralism and supply side economics, which has clearly been an abomination for the American people while the top 5% have raked in the wealth of this nation to the point where they have outdone the robber barons of the 1890s. This country is skewed all out of balance. When I look at McCain all I see is four more years of the same. Time to give the other side a shot.

Dont forget to mention that he took a surplus and made it into .... well, we all know:)

[Bronco Bob]

and you come off as an ass. I'm not in here to argue. Just to read opinions.

Being an ass is part of my manly essence. :strong:

[Rohirrim]

WHY~why should people who make more pay more? Seriously. Why the hell should they pay the majority and take care of the bill because other people can't...how is that fair? Most have earned that money fair and square. Why should it be taken away?

That's not true at all. Most of the wealthiest were born into it.

[ant1999e]

Maybe because we live in a society where we can actually afford to take care of one another? Or, how about the economy functions better when the middle class is stronger. Where do you think they get their money from? It doesnt grow on trees, it comes from the spending middle class.

I think these people will be ok without that extra speedboat in the name of universal healthcare.

Jesus, didnt you ever learn to share and be apart of a community? The selfishness disgusts me. The poor rich, what will they ever do.

I'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love,
Grow apple trees and honey bees, and snow white turtle doves.
I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony,
I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company.
(Repeat the last two lines, and in the background)
It's the real thing, Coke is what the world wants today.

:peace:

[Sassy]

Maybe because we live in a society where we can actually afford to take care of one another? Or, how about the economy functions better when the middle class is stronger. Where do you think they get their money from? It doesnt grow on trees, it comes from the spending middle class.

I think these people will be ok without that extra speedboat in the name of universal healthcare.

Jesus, didnt you ever learn to share and be apart of a community? The selfishness disgusts me. The poor rich, what will they ever do.

Universal healthcare...OMG...don't get me started there. Why do you think people come here from other countries...and yeah, you'd want to be put on a waiting list if you were having a heart attack...whatever.

Are you calling me selfish? UGH. I am one of the most generous people you'd ever know.

If I had a million bucks...I'd rather choose who I "donated" to rather than have the goverment "make" me "donate" it to them as taxes.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love,
Grow apple trees and honey bees, and snow white turtle doves.
I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony,
I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company.
(Repeat the last two lines, and in the background)
It's the real thing, Coke is what the world wants today.

:peace:

Sorry for being a decent human being that actually cares about other people who are less fortunate than i am.

[Spider]

.
From what I've listened to and read...Obama is going to raise taxes sky high...
Yeah...we want that?? Not.


LOL still clinging to that one no matter how many times it has been debunked .... now thats dedication ... to party instead of country

[ant1999e]

WHY~why should people who make more pay more? Seriously. Why the hell should they pay the majority and take care of the bill because other people can't...how is that fair? Most have earned that money fair and square. Why should it be taken away?

How else will the lazy portion of America who were raised on welfare survive?

[Bronco Bob]

I'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love,
Grow apple trees and honey bees, and snow white turtle doves.
I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony,
I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company.
(Repeat the last two lines, and in the background)
It's the real thing, Coke is what the world wants today.

:peace:

Actually I prefer Dr Pepper. Though Coke does go good with a shot
of dark rum and some fresh squeezed lime juice.

[ant1999e]

Actually I prefer Dr Pepper. Though Coke does go good with a shot
of dark rum and some fresh squeezed lime juice.

Dr Pepper is definately better.

[Spider]

How else will the lazy portion of America who were raised on welfare survive?

So the wealthy get to pay less taxes then the blue collar guy ? **** you . I work hard for my money , why in the **** should some silver spooned piss head pay less ?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Universal healthcare...OMG...don't get me started there. Why do you think people come here from other countries...and yeah, you'd want to be put on a waiting list if you were having a heart attack...whatever.

Are you calling me selfish? UGH. I am one of the most generous people you'd ever know.

People come to America for the expensive healthcare? Where have I been! We are the only civilized, rich nation without it. 50 million uninsured, and many others, with crappy insurance.

And if youre having a heart attack, youre not put on a waiting list. You have no clue how a universal system works, do you?

Im sure you are very generous with your friends, but clearly not to support a community.

[Bronco Bob]

Dr Pepper is definately better.

So how do you feel about Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper?
Good stuff or an abomination?

[Spider]

People come to America for the expensive healthcare? Where have I been! We are the only civilized, rich nation without it. 50 million uninsured, and many others, with crappy insurance.

And if youre having a heart attack, youre not put on a waiting list. You have no clue how a universal system works, do you?

Im sure you are very generous with your friends, but clearly not to support a community.

LOL no she doesnt , but she doesnt let that influence her opinion

[ant1999e]

So the wealthy get to pay less taxes then the blue collar guy ? **** you . I work hard for my money , why in the **** should some silver spooned piss head pay less ?

**** you right back. Why the **** should we pay for lazy ass people to sit around all day and watch Ricky ****in Lake? Get a ****ing job.

[Sassy]

I'll leave now...so you guys can talk behind my back...
Not all of you know what you're talking about anyway.

[ant1999e]

So how do you feel about Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper?
Good stuff or an abomination?

Never tasted it but I think is sounds a little Frankensteinish. My daughter likes it.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Never tasted it but I think is sounds a little Frankenstinish.

I hate the cherry vanilla DP. I do love the cherry coke though! Do you rememebr RC draft cola? How i miss that

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'll leave now...so you guys can talk behind my back...
Not all of you know what you're talking about anyway.

Hard to talk behind someones back on a board

[Spider]

**** you right back. Why the **** should we pay for lazy ass people to sit around all day and watch Ricky ****in Lake? Get a ****ing job.

yo **** head , How in the **** does your take answer my question ? go back reread ..... Damn dude , it wasnt that hard of a ****ing question ..... pay attention

[ant1999e]

I hate the cherry vanilla DP. I do love the cherry coke though! Do you rememebr RC draft cola? How i miss that

I don't think RC cola really stood out. It tasted a little like diet. Maybe I was drinking diet rc cola. ??? That was long ago.

[Spider]

Hard to talk behind someones back on a board

LOL .... shhhhhhh . the Martyr card doesnt see logic

[Sassy]

**** you right back. Why the **** should we pay for lazy ass people to sit around all day and watch Ricky ****in Lake? Get a ****ing job.

Hmm...
I just don't need to be spending hard earned dollars to the goverment so we can "outfit" 2 year olds in Nike's... (welfare system)....I've seen it first hand so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about...I worked in a non-profit daycare...90 percent of our kids were in the welfare system...and it would piss me off to no end when I was working and living paycheck to paycheck and little kids were coming to daycare in name brand stuff while the taxpayers were footing the bill for food, clothes, daycare and gee, for the parents new toys such as entertainment centers and cars. Why don't people actually go out and get a job instead of relying on government funding.

[ant1999e]

yo **** head , How in the **** does your take answer my question ? go back reread ..... Damn dude , it wasnt that hard of a ****ing question ..... pay attention

OK scrotum sucker, reread my post you replied to. I was refering to welfare. Are you ****ing retarded or what? Don't you have some oil drilling equipment to haul?

[ant1999e]

Hmm...
I just don't need to be spending hard earned dollars to the goverment so we can "outfit" 2 year olds in Nike's... (welfare system)....I've seen it first hand so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about...I worked in a non-profit daycare...90 percent of our kids were in the welfare system...and it would piss me off to no end when I was working and living paycheck to paycheck and little kids were coming to daycare in name brand stuff while the taxpayers were footing the bill for food, clothes, daycare and gee, for the parents new toys such as entertainment centers and cars. Why don't people actually go out and get a job instead of relying on government funding.

They don't have to because spider wants to support their kids along with his own.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hard to talk behind someones back on a board

Ha!

Glad I wasn't the only one who was scratching his head over that one.

[Spider]

OK scrotum sucker, reread my post you replied to. I was refering to welfare. Are you ****ing retarded or what? Don't you have some oil drilling equipment to haul?
Well stupid your silly assed take doesnt answer my question here it is again **** nut ........ Why should a guy like me Pay more in Taxes then some pisshead with a silver spoon ? take your time **** stick .. try thinking before babbling

[Spider]

They don't have to because spider wants to support their kids along with his own.

LOL you are a retard ........ seriously

[Sassy]

For the record...I never said you should pay more Spider.

[Sassy]

People come to America for the expensive healthcare? Where have I been! We are the only civilized, rich nation without it. 50 million uninsured, and many others, with crappy insurance.

And if youre having a heart attack, youre not put on a waiting list. You have no clue how a universal system works, do you?

Im sure you are very generous with your friends, but clearly not to support a community.

Generous with my friends?
Want a list of charities or what???
It's really none of your business anyway.
For the record...yeah, I really make a huge salary as a Toddler Teacher..(insert roll eyes smilie here)...and I still donate. Gee, guess what. No one can make a living on that salary...

[Spider]

For the record...I never said you should pay more Spider.

But I am ... % wise I am paying alot more ..... I want ante1999 to back his **** up , I want ot know why rich people deserve a better tax rate , then a guy like me who bust his ass 70 hours a week ........

[Spider]

I want to know ....... Seriously , why do the rich deserve a better tax rate then me ?
we all know ante1999 struggles with this question ....but there has to be 1 McCain supporter that can justify this

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Generous with my friends?
Want a list of charities or what???
It's really none of your business anyway.
For the record...yeah, I really make a huge salary as a Toddler Teacher..(insert roll eyes smilie here)...and I still donate. Gee, guess what. No one can make a living on that salary...

Good, then you support a party that protects the middle class instead of one more interested in making the rich richer and hoping (or not hoping) that it trickles down.

And its great that you give to charity, everyone should, but that doesnt mean we shouldn't support social programs that help fellow man. Not everyone has the same opportunities as everyone else. We live in the richest country in the world and the top 30,000 has more than the bottom 150,000,000. You think its cuz the bottom 150,000,000 are lazier than the top? Ummm, we can take care of each other and we should.

Social security, medicare, medicaid are some of americas most popular programs, all socialistic ideas. There's a lot of great things this country can do if we put the money in the right places. And guess what? The next big money making opportunity is alternative fuel, wind, solar. We have the ability to be at the forefront of that and thats where our resources should be going...not to the oil companies.

[ScottXray]

Hmm...
I just don't need to be spending hard earned dollars to the goverment so we can "outfit" 2 year olds in Nike's... (welfare system)....I've seen it first hand so don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about...I worked in a non-profit daycare...90 percent of our kids were in the welfare system...and it would piss me off to no end when I was working and living paycheck to paycheck and little kids were coming to daycare in name brand stuff while the taxpayers were footing the bill for food, clothes, daycare and gee, for the parents new toys such as entertainment centers and cars. Why don't people actually go out and get a job instead of relying on government funding.

Sassy, there are problems with the welfare programs no doubt. My brother in law Can't work (MS), but it took six years for him to be able to get housing assistance, because the waiting list was so long. Until he finally got through that list he lived with my wife and I. No doubt some or even many of those on the list in front of him were perhaps scamming the system, abusing it.

But because there are problems with those people, doesn't mean that there are not those who DO deserve Help. And many of them don't have a family to live with for that waiting period. Therefore they get scrubbed off the list, when they can't be contacted at certain intervals. No reply = washout.

Part of the reason the list is so long is that Priority is always given to families with dependent children. In some ways this is understandable. Because their parents are scumbags do you throw the child out too?

Sure, welfare abuse happens. Women get pregnant just to increase their monthly assistance check, and then spend the money on anything but the children. Or the fathers are absent, or worse, abusive of the children and the spouse.

So tougher regulations get put in place, but they aren't effective because they target the wrong people . Many of the worst abusers are multigeneration welfare families, who know the ins and outs of the system so well they know exactly how to get around them.

Get a job...can't cause I'm pregnant again. Get a job...No child care available. Can't find a job that pays enough. The excuses are endless.

Make attending training courses that qualify them to get reasonable jobs MANDATORY. Failure to do so and then to eventually start work means you lose the children to the state, and get booted out. The exception should be those actually physically disabled, who really can't work. Those are the people who really do need help , and many of them aren't getting it.

[Sassy]

Sassy, there are problems with the welfare programs no doubt. My brother in law Can't work (MS), but it took six years for him to be able to get housing assistance, because the waiting list was so long. Until he finally got through that list he lived with my wife and I. No doubt some or even many of those on the list in front of him were perhaps scamming the system, abusing it.

But because there are problems with those people, doesn't mean that there are not those who DO deserve Help. And many of them don't have a family to live with for that waiting period. Therefore they get scrubbed off the list, when they can't be contacted at certain intervals. No reply = washout.

Part of the reason the list is so long is that Priority is always given to families with dependent children. In some ways this is understandable. Because their parents are scumbags do you throw the child out too?

Sure, welfare abuse happens. Women get pregnant just to increase their monthly assistance check, and then spend the money on anything but the children. Or the fathers are absent, or worse, abusive of the children and the spouse.

So tougher regulations get put in place, but they aren't effective because they target the wrong people . Many of the worst abusers are multigeneration welfare families, who know the ins and outs of the system so well they know exactly how to get around them.

Get a job...can't cause I'm pregnant again. Get a job...No child care available. Can't find a job that pays enough. The excuses are endless.

Make attending training courses that qualify them to get reasonable jobs MANDATORY. Failure to do so and then to eventually start work means you lose the children to the state, and get booted out. The exception should be those actually physically disabled, who really can't work. Those are the people who really do need help , and many of them aren't getting it.

It's not all that abuse it either...and yes, it's screwed. I just got tired of watching families work to pay their own way while a majority of these people "played" while they dropped their child off at daycare and the taxpayers footed the bill.

[Breaker]

So the wealthy get to pay less taxes then the blue collar guy ? **** you . I work hard for my money , why in the **** should some silver spooned piss head pay less ?

Why the **** should someone who put themselves through school, made millions on their own ability be punished for working hard.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why the **** should someone who put themselves through school, made millions on their own ability be punished for working hard.

"Punished?" ROFL!

Under every republican administration since Red Ink Reagan, it's been socialism and corporate welfare for the people you are describing here and free enterprise for everyone else.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/palin-ticket.jpg

[cutthemdown]

yeah baby!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If that 'toon is really accurate in its appraisal of Obama, then what does it say about McSame (who is trailing him in the polls?)

[ant1999e]

I want to know ....... Seriously , why do the rich deserve a better tax rate then me ?
we all know ante1999 struggles with this question ....but there has to be 1 McCain supporter that can justify this

Good morning dip****. I wasn't struggling with your question, I went to sleep because I have a job and don't live off welfare. When did I say anything about your tax rate. I referred to lazy ****s on welfare and me not wanting to support them while they sit on their lazy asses watching Ricky Lake. Are you still reading at a 3rd grade level? Hooked on Phonics dude. Hook it up.:thumbs:

[ant1999e]

Sassy, there are problems with the welfare programs no doubt. My brother in law Can't work (MS), but it took six years for him to be able to get housing assistance, because the waiting list was so long. Until he finally got through that list he lived with my wife and I. No doubt some or even many of those on the list in front of him were perhaps scamming the system, abusing it.

But because there are problems with those people, doesn't mean that there are not those who DO deserve Help. And many of them don't have a family to live with for that waiting period. Therefore they get scrubbed off the list, when they can't be contacted at certain intervals. No reply = washout.

Part of the reason the list is so long is that Priority is always given to families with dependent children. In some ways this is understandable. Because their parents are scumbags do you throw the child out too?

Sure, welfare abuse happens. Women get pregnant just to increase their monthly assistance check, and then spend the money on anything but the children. Or the fathers are absent, or worse, abusive of the children and the spouse.

So tougher regulations get put in place, but they aren't effective because they target the wrong people . Many of the worst abusers are multigeneration welfare families, who know the ins and outs of the system so well they know exactly how to get around them.

Get a job...can't cause I'm pregnant again. Get a job...No child care available. Can't find a job that pays enough. The excuses are endless.

Make attending training courses that qualify them to get reasonable jobs MANDATORY. Failure to do so and then to eventually start work means you lose the children to the state, and get booted out. The exception should be those actually physically disabled, who really can't work. Those are the people who really do need help , and many of them aren't getting it.

:thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Old timers and clear-thinkers in the GOP were, and remain, stunned by McCain's choice. At a time when the economy is heading for the kind of trouble not seen in nearly a century, and the world order is coming apart at the seams, McCain picked a No. 2 whose only serious executive experience is her one year as governor of Alaska.

I almost feel sorry for Sarah Palin. I say almost because she could have said "no." but instead leap at the opportunity. Can you imagine what this poor woman is going to go through in the next 60 days.

- She has an infant, special needs child, plus four more kids at home. Make your own judgments about that, and I admit, if it were Palin's husband instead of her, no one would be asking this question. But I don't know any mothers who would return to work three days after giving birth to a severely handicapped baby. (http://www.aafp.org/afp/990115ap/381.html)The fact that Palin did exactly that will speak volumes to all those home-schooling evangelical moms McCain figured would applaud this choice. The right's "family values"theme seems at odds with such behavior. Fair? Unfair? Doesn't matter when it comes to the religious right.

- The office of vice president is more than a full-time job. It's more like two and half full-time jobs, which again puts in question Palin's pro-family bone fides. One handicapped infant, and four other minors at home, including an unmarried pregnant child in crisis. ... hmmmm. Instead of tending to these twin family crisis' Sarah has decided dive head first into the maelstrom of presidential politics. Hmmm. where can we find that in Family Values Handbook?

- Then comes the two months of hand to hand combat facing ahead of her. Can you imagine how many hours of each day Sahara Palin will spend being pumped full of all data she lacks for this task; which nations hate other nations, which nations are currently at one another's throats and why, and which ones are likely to be at each other's throats and why. Then come her courses on national and international finance, at a time when even seasoned economists admit they have few clues to what's wrong or how to fix what's wrong.

She's going to need all that schooling, because she will have to debate Joe Biden on national television. One misstep, one dumb answer or clueless moment and McCain is toast. Imagine the pressure on the former mayor (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html) of Wasilla, Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla,_Alaska), population around 6000.

I guess we could look at all that and have admiration for a woman who would be willing to run such a thankless and merciless gauntlet. And, under different circumstances, I would too. But John McCain is 72 years old. He's had several bouts with cancer and, while he's dodged those bullets, there's no guarantee his run of luck will last four more years.

If the worst happens that former mayor of tiny Wasilla (Sicily Alaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Exposure) by another name) would find herself running the most powerful nation on earth, but at a time when our power has been squandered on the wrong wars in the wrong places at the wrong times. And our economy has been gutted by fiscal policies only Charles Keating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Keating)could love.

Republicans claim that Palin has more executive experience than Barack Obama, which is true, but only if you narrow the definition of "executive experience" down to Palin's time running her local PTA and school board, her tenure of mayor of a tiny rural hamlet and her one year -- tumultuous year (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5702697&page=1) -- as governor of a state awash in oil money. Then you have to discount entirely Obama's stellar academic record, his years in the trenches of depressed South Chicago, his remarkable rise to US Senator and his breathtaking rise as his party's nominee for president of the United States.

Republicans have done their best to beef up Palin's foreign policy resume, noting that "she's governor of the state virtually next door to Russia." Well, I live about 8 miles as the crow flies form Francis Ford Coppola's Sonoma County estate. So, if that's the new qualification standard, I ought to head straight to Hollywood, Google map in hand, and demand a movie deal.
Then there's the little matter of whether McCain's choice for VP of the United States of America even wants to be part of the United States of America:
Palin Member of Alaskan Separatist Group
Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence party (AIP) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ)before becoming an elected Republican official, and recorded a video message for the AIP convention this year. The party's chief goal is securing Alaska a vote on seceding from the US, a goal that AIP leaders believe the state was denied before it became part of the US almost 50 years ago.
Yet it is the AIP's motto, "Alaska First, Alaska Always", that may cause the most trouble for McCain. The Republican's campaign slogan this year is "Country First".
At the convention where Palin's video was played, the AIP vice-chairman, George Clark, told the audience that she was an AIP member before getting her first political post as mayor of the small town of Wasilla, Alaska.
"But you get along to go along — she eventually joined the Republican party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won't go into that," Clark said. "She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."
Palin suggested in a July interview with CNBC news that she would insist on making Alaskan issues a high priority before agreeing to serve as a vice-presidential candidate. "We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans, and for the things we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the US, before I can even start addressing that question," she said. [Full (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/02/uselections2008.republicans20085)]
Now, having said all that, I am not about to predict that McCain is going to lose in November because of his choice of a laughably unqualified running mate. After all, in a similar attempt to appear "with it" George H. Bush picked Dan Quayle -- a man who makes sonny boy, George W. Bush, look and sound like a Rhodes Scholar -- and he still won the presidency.
Because we are still a nation of halves; half of us are interested in being at the point of the spear, pushing the social envelope into the 21st century, continuing mankind's always difficult march towards an more and more inclusive, humane and caring social order.

And the other half -- who want to circle the wagons against change, just like their religious counterparts in the Muslim world. Despite all the obvious reasons she's not in the least bit qualified to be America's co-pilot (or, god forbid, pilot) Sarah Palin is precisely their kind of candidate.
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[Spider]

Why the **** should someone who put themselves through school, made millions on their own ability be punished for working hard.

So us hard working stupid people should be punished ? Is that what you are telling me

[Spider]

Good morning dip****. I wasn't struggling with your question, I went to sleep because I have a job and don't live off welfare. When did I say anything about your tax rate. I referred to lazy ****s on welfare and me not wanting to support them while they sit on their lazy asses watching Ricky Lake. Are you still reading at a 3rd grade level? Hooked on Phonics dude. Hook it up.:thumbs:

Practice what you preach little cock sucker , again mother ****er you opened your trap now tell me why the rich deserve a better tax rate then me ..........

[ant1999e]

Practice what you preach little pink pony rider , again mother ****er you opened your trap now tell me why the rich deserve a better tax rate then me ..........

When did I say they did? You're getting delusional :crazy: you crazy old bastard.

Indicators of a delusion
(Munro, 1999)

-The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
-An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
-The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
-The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

[TailgateNut]

Why the **** should someone who put themselves through school, made millions on their own ability be punished for working hard.



Most make millions on the back of the american worker who they short change (****ty pay, ****ty health care coverage, ****ty leave policies,etc)and then to top it off outsource their jobs once their companies have been established.

Yes they should be punished!

[Spider]

When did I say they did? You're getting delusional :crazy: you crazy old bastard.

Indicators of a delusion
(Munro, 1999)

-The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
-An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
-The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
-The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

you dip**** , while you are looking definitions look up what it means ot agree with someone ****tard .. sassy clearly stated Obama will raise taxes , you lipped off about people on welfare ......now you ****ing tell me why the rich deserve a lower tax rate then me .......or shut your pie hole

[ant1999e]

you dip**** , while you are looking definitions look up what it means ot agree with someone ****tard .. sassy clearly stated Obama will raise taxes , you lipped off about people on welfare ......now you ****ing tell me why the rich deserve a lower tax rate then me .......or shut your pie hole


Indicators of a delusion
(Munro, 1999)

-The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
-An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
-The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
-The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

Sounds familiar don't it spider?

Obama will raise taxes and I did "lip off" about people on welfare. Now where did I say anything about your taxes? Did I offend you with the welfare statement? My bad. Take a deep breath and your medication.

[Spider]

Indicators of a delusion
(Munro, 1999)

-The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
-An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
-The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.
-The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

Sounds familiar don't it spider?

Obama will raise taxes and I did "lip off" about people on welfare. Now where did I say anything about your taxes? Did I offend you with the welfare statement? My bad. Take a deep breath and your medication.

will you stop dodging ........ or admit you are an idiot .. you dont ant the rich to pony up , you think the working man needs to foot the bill , yo udidnt offend me with welfare comment , But you did offend me with your ****ing stupidity . suffice to say if we was at a tailgate , you would get instantly smarter and not lip off

[ant1999e]

will you stop dodging ........ or admit you are an idiot

I repeat,
Obama will raise taxes and I did "lip off" about people on welfare. Now where did I say anything about your taxes? ???

[ant1999e]

will you stop dodging ........ or admit you are an idiot .. you dont ant the rich to pony up , you think the working man needs to foot the bill , yo udidnt offend me with welfare comment , But you did offend me with your ****ing stupidity . suffice to say if we was at a tailgate , you would get instantly smarter and not lip off

If we were at a tailgate, I'd probably have some liquid courage in me and talk even more ****. Hopefully I'd be able to speak better than you type. I ain't scared spider. :kungfu:

[Spider]

I repeat,
Obama will raise taxes and I did "lip off" about people on welfare. Now where did I say anything about your taxes? ???

LOL I guess yo uare this stupid ... Obama raising taxes on the rich , thats who , you are against it , So I want your punk ass to tell me why the rich shouldnt have to pay the same percentage as I do ........ **** dude it is pretty easy of a question ........ Perhaps you need to do a little more learning

[Spider]

If we were at a tailgate, I'd probably have some liquid courage in me and talk even more ****. I ain't scared spider. :kungfu:

LOL if that was only true ......... you would get your ass kicked so far up your back , you would be taking your shirt off to **** .......

[ant1999e]

LOL if that was only true ......... you would get your ass kicked so far up your back , you would be taking your shirt off to **** .......

You don't know me biotch.

[ant1999e]

LOL I guess yo uare this stupid ... Obama raising taxes on the rich , thats who , you are against it , So I want your punk ass to tell me why the rich shouldnt have to pay the same percentage as I do ........ **** dude it is pretty easy of a question ........ Perhaps you need to do a little more learning

I'm against paying for lazy ass ****ers sitting on their asses living off welfare. Your comprehension level isn't that high is it?

[Spider]

I'm against paying for lazy ass ****ers sitting on their asses living off welfare. Your comprehension level isn't that high is it?

But what does this have to do with Obama raising taxers on the rich ? ..look dip**** , it isnt about where the ****ing money goes you Squirrel headed bastard , Sassy Said obama would raise taxes , this is about raising taxes ..... I dont like the Iraqi ****ing war , it is costing a **** load of money ...I dont give a rats ass about paying for lazy people when you compare Iraq you ****ing dil rod

[Spider]

now again Ante1999 , why does the rich deserve a better tax rate then people like me ?

[MplsBronco]

OK, I think I am finally starting to understand how BUSH ever got elected president...

So sad, pathetic really...

Yeah, I used to think the elections were stolen via Diebold but clearly there are people THAT stupid.

[ant1999e]

now again Ante1999 , why does the rich deserve a better tax rate then people like me ?

Now again spidey, I never said they did. It was another one of your delusions. I stated my dislike of unemployed people who have every intention of living off the welfare system we all pay taxes to support. Didn't say anything about rich people's taxes or anything about yourself and your tax rate. Comprende?

[Spider]

Now again spidey, I never said they did. It was another one of your delusions. I stated my dislike of unemployed people who have every intention of living off the welfare system we all pay taxes to support. Didn't say anything about rich people's taxes or anything about yourself and your tax rate. Comprende?

Then shut the **** up about Obama raising taxes then , you simple minded sucktard

[Rohirrim]

Now again spidey, I never said they did. It was another one of your delusions. I stated my dislike of unemployed people who have every intention of living off the welfare system we all pay taxes to support. Didn't say anything about rich people's taxes or anything about yourself and your tax rate. Comprende?

You need to read the Welfare Reform Act passed by Clinton. Nobody can "live off the welfare system" anymore.

[ant1999e]

Then shut the **** up about Obama raising taxes then , you simple minded sucktard

You calling me simple minded? That's some funny ****. Hilarious! Get a ****in clue.

[Spider]

You need to read the Welfare Reform Act passed by Clinton. Nobody can "live off the welfare system" anymore.

LOL shhhhhhhh .......

[Rank&File]

"squirrel headed bastard!":rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MplsBronco]

Why should he?
Tell me why those people should pay more just because they make more.

Do you think we should have to pay for anything? Where do you think roads, schools, basic services come from? We have to pay for the sh!t we use and need. Good god. Tell me, why should the rich have been given these outragous take cuts?

[ant1999e]

You need to read the Welfare Reform Act passed by Clinton. Nobody can "live off the welfare system" anymore.

If you are perfectly capable of working but you choose to be a lazy bastard and "collect" welfare then you're "living off welfare" regardless of how long.

[BroncoInferno]

If you are perfectly capable of working but you choose to be a lazy bastard and "collect" welfare then you're "living off welfare" regardless of how long.

So, in your world there isn't a single legitimate, non-lazy circumstance where someone might go on welfare?

[Rigs11]

I'm against paying for lazy ass ****ers sitting on their asses living off welfare. Your comprehension level isn't that high is it?
Are you for paying for the jails to house the people that steal to eat instead? How about the people that die in your neighborhood due to disease and starvation, are you willing to pay for someone to pick them up and bury them?

[ant1999e]

So, in your world there isn't a single legitimate, non-lazy circumstance where someone might go on welfare?

I specifically said "lazy". Did you miss that?

[ant1999e]

Are you for paying for the jails to house the people that steal to eat instead? How about the people that die in your neighborhood due to disease and starvation, are you willing to pay for someone to pick them up and bury them?

No, I'm for perfectly able people getting jobs and buying food like I do.

[Rigs11]

So, in your world there isn't a single legitimate, non-lazy circumstance where someone might go on welfare?

Yeah that's the way these people think, they only worry about the fetus, once they are born they are on their own. Health care? nope.Welfare? Nope.War? Yep. Veteran benefits? nope. Real pro lifers they are.Hilarious!

[Garcia Bronco]

Do you think we should have to pay for anything? Where do you think roads, schools, basic services come from? We have to pay for the sh!t we use and need. Good god. Tell me, why should the rich have been given these outragous take cuts?

Roads, schools are something everybody uses and we take in more than enough money to pay for those. We spend less than a percent of our GDP on roads in this country. Further more-Roads ARE A STATE AND LOCAL MATTER not gnerally the federal governemnt. We spend 40 percent of our GDP on other social programs. Further more we spend more money per student on education in this country than any other country yet yield pooer results. School money ain't the problem.

[BroncoInferno]

I specifically said "lazy". Did you miss that?

Is there a "lazy" litmus test that we can run? Seriously, check out current welfare laws. It's very difficult to manipulate. Not impossible, mind you, but way more difficult since the Clinton bill was passed.

[Rigs11]

No, I'm for perfectly able people getting jobs and buying food like I do.

What if they are disabled, say in a war?Or their kids get sick and they go bankrupt?Or they are disabled like palin's baby?

[ant1999e]

Yeah that's the way these people think, they only worry about the fetus, once they are born they are on their own. Health care? nope.Welfare? Nope.War? Yep. Veteran benefits? nope. Real pro lifers they are.Hilarious!

These people?LOL That's funny.

[ant1999e]

Is there a "lazy" litmus test that we can run? Seriously, check out current welfare laws. It's very difficult to manipulate. Not impossible, mind you, but way more difficult since the Clinton bill was passed.

O.K.:thumbsup:

[ant1999e]

What if they are disabled, say in a war?Or their kids get sick and they go bankrupt?Or they are disabled like palin's baby?

If they are capable of working, they should. If they do work and need a little help then I have no problem with that. If they sit at home perfectly healthy (maybe a little overweight because they're LAZY) and collect welfare that isn't cool.

[MplsBronco]

Roads, schools are something everybody uses and we take in more than enough money to pay for those. We spend less than a percent of our GDP on roads in this country. Further more-Roads ARE A STATE AND LOCAL MATTER not gnerally the federal governemnt. We spend 40 percent of our GDP on other social programs. Further more we spend more money per student on education in this country than any other country yet yield pooer results. School money ain't the problem.

The majority of our money is spent on the military. Blaming social programs is a crock. How much money has been blown/stolen on Iraq? Why aren't you up in arms over your/my money being pissed away in such a fashion? I assume you are all for the war but you don't want to pay for it.

[BroncoInferno]

If they are capable of working, they should. If they do work and need a little help then I have no problem with that. If they sit at home perfectly healthy (maybe a little overweight because they're LAZY) and collect welfare that isn't cool.

What if they are capable of working, provide proof that they are actively pursuing work, but are unable to find a job? There were many people in this situation after the furniture plant closed in my hometown a few years back.

[ant1999e]

The majority of our money is spent on the military.

As is should be.:thumbsup:

[Rohirrim]

The BBC reported startling economic equality figures in a recent documentary: the top 200 wealthiest people in the world control more wealth than the bottom 4 billion. But what is more striking to many is a close look at the economic inequality in the homeland of the "American Dream." The United States is the most economically stratified society in the western world. As THE WALL STREET JOURNAL reported, a recent study found that the top .01% or 14,000 American families hold 22.2% of wealth — the bottom 90%, or over 133 million families, just 4% of the nation's wealth. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06132008/profile2.html

Fortunately for us, McCain intends to make Bush's tax cuts permanent.

Altogether now... !Booya!

[Garcia Bronco]

The majority of our money is spent on the military. Blaming social programs is a crock. How much money has been blown/stolen on Iraq? Why aren't you up in arms over your/my money being pissed away in such a fashion? I assume you are all for the war but you don't want to pay for it.

I didn't blame any social programs, but I am about to. We spend roughly the same amount on defense spending as we do on Medicare. Add in social security and we spend over 50 percent of our GDP on these two programs alone. Plus other governemnt overhead in managing these ill solutions. We spend 5 percent of our GDP on Iraq. We spend less than 1 percent on roads and infrastructure in this Country. China? They spend 8 percent on infrastructure. So again...everyone...take the we are blowing all our money in Iraq and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. The real boat anchors in this country and SS and Medicare.


But lets be real: the far left have convinced certain groups in this country that they cannot take care of themselves, that they need to be dependant on the governemnt to take care of them, and everybody wants to live forever. We do need SS, Defense spending, Medicare, we need roads and we need schools. What we don't need are socail programs that only certain Americans have access to. It's either available to everyone or no one, because in the end it's all of our money.

[Rigs11]

These people?LOL That's funny.

truth hurts don't it?

[ant1999e]

I didn't blame any social programs, but I am about to. We spend roughly the same amount on defense spending as we do on Medicare. Add in social security and we spend over 50 percent of our GDP on these two programs alone. Plus other governemnt overhead in managing these ill solutions. We spend 5 percent of our GDP on Iraq. We spend less than 1 percent on roads and infrastructure in this Country. China? They spend 8 percent on infrastructure. So again...everyone...take the we are blowing all our money in Iraq and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. The real boat anchors in this country and SS and Medicare.


But lets be real: the far left have convinced certain groups in this country that they cannot take care of themselves, that they need to be dependant on the governemnt to take care of them, and everybody wants to live forever. We do need SS, Defense spending, Medicare, we need roads and we need schools. What we don't need are socail programs that only certain Americans have access to. It's either available to everyone or no one, because in the end it's all of our money.

Preach brutha preach!:notworthy

[ant1999e]

What if they are capable of working, provide proof that they are actively pursuing work, but are unable to find a job? There were many people in this situation after the furniture plant closed in my hometown a few years back.

Well, if they are actively pursuing a job, then they are not sitting on their lazy ass watching ricky lake. Do you get it?

[Spider]

LOL you stupid **** go back reread this thread address some of the comment , instead of sucking off those you agree with it

[ant1999e]

LOL you stupid **** go back reread this thread address some of the comment , instead of sucking off those you agree with it

I learned that **** from you. You're always sucking off LABF.

[Spider]

I learned that **** from you. You're always sucking off LABF.

LOL I am rubber you are glue bull**** I see .....well ****tard , you know you cant address your own bull**** in this thread ........thats why you lose

[ant1999e]

LOL I am rubber you are glue bull**** I see .....well ****tard , you know you cant address your own bull**** in this thread ........thats why you lose

You got me spider. You win. You're just too whitty for me.

[Spider]

You got me spider. You win. You're just too whitty for me.

well duh captain Obvious

[ant1999e]

well duh captain Obvious

Anything to get you to shut the **** up.

[Spider]

Anything to get you to shut the **** up.

then tell me why the rich deserve a tax cut and I dont ? .....or you could simply start thinking before you post .....

[ant1999e]

then tell me why the rich deserve a tax cut and I dont ? .....or you could simply start thinking before you post .....

Look dip****, I never said they did. How many ****ing times do I need to tell you this. Get your head out of your fat ass and read. You're a dillusional old ****. I'll say it again since you're a ****ing retard, I never said anything about you or the rich ****ing peoples god damn taxes. Please show me where I said this.

If you are on welfare and were offended and that is what this is about, I appologize. I'm sure you're doing what you need to in order to support your family. You're a hard working man and it's ok for you to get help from your government. I was refering to lazy people on welfare.

[Spider]

Look dip****, I never said they did. How many ****ing times do I need to tell you this. Get your head out of your fat ass and read. You're a dillusional old ****. I'll say it again since you're a ****ing retard, I never said anything about you or the rich ****ing peoples god damn taxes. Please show me where I said this.

If you are on welfare and were offended and that is what this is about, I appologize. I'm sure you're doing what you need to in order to support your family. You're a hard working man and it's ok for you to get help from your government. I was refering to lazy people on welfare.

Then watch out who you agree with , I am on welfare ? ROFL! you need to read up on welfare , no way in hell could I get welfare , but I will share this with you , I make 22.50 per hour , I try and average 14 hours a day , I dont have health insurance , too many people on my policy, 6 kids is damn hard to insure , so I to pay cash , I spend roughly 350.00 per week in food ,then 3 of my 6 are in school , so school clothes , lunches school supplies etc . Now all of you guys on the right want ot vote McCain , who will not lower my taxes ,who thinks I am doing just fine ...... I just dont get it , I cracked back on sassy pretty hard ,Sometimes I feel I am fighting an uphill fight ............ But Abortion wasnt an option ,most know the story of my triplets ......... dont get me wrong , I wouldnt change a damn thing in my life , but Obama offers me real hope , McCain offers me more of the last 8 years .......

[Spider]

+ I just volunteered today , to make a very dangerous run this winter cause of the pay , Hauling coal from Wright Wy to Kremmer Wy ....... means I have to go over South pass in the winter ..... but I will be making a little over 27.00 per hour ......

[Spider]

So far there is only 4 of us willing to do this run .... it will take some mad skill to get home ..........

[ant1999e]

Then watch out who you agree with , I am on welfare ? ROFL! you need to read up on welfare , no way in hell could I get welfare , but I will share this with you , I make 22.50 per hour , I try and average 14 hours a day , I dont have health insurance , too many people on my policy, 6 kids is damn hard to insure , so I to pay cash , I spend roughly 350.00 per week in food ,then 3 of my 6 are in school , so school clothes , lunches school supplies etc . Now all of you guys on the right want ot vote McCain , who will not lower my taxes ,who thinks I am doing just fine ...... I just dont get it , I cracked back on sassy pretty hard ,Sometimes I feel I am fighting an uphill fight ............ But Abortion wasnt an option ,most know the story of my triplets ......... dont get me wrong , I wouldnt change a damn thing in my life , but Obama offers me real hope , McCain offers me more of the last 8 years .......

And I respect you for this. You need to vote for the candadate that is going to help your cause.

I truly don't know who I will vote for. Being military, I am afraid Obama will cut military funding thus my pay. And I have alot of respect for what McCain went through even though he had the opportunity to be released earlier. Obama is an intelligent guy. When he speaks, you really want to listen.

I'll be getting deployed to Kuwait till January so, my vote probably won't count anyway.

[Spider]

And I respect you for this. You need to vote for the candadate that is going to help your cause.

I truly don't know who I will vote for. Being military, I am afraid Obama will cut military funding thus my pay. And I have alot of respect for what McCain went through even though he had the opportunity to be released earlier. Obama is an intelligent guy. When he speaks, you really want to listen.
I hope the military doesnt get cut ,I doubt it , he wants to go into Afghanistan pretty hard .......

[Spider]

I'll be getting deployed to Kuwait till January so, my vote probably won't count anyway.

Keep your head down , stay safe

[ant1999e]

Keep your head down , stay safe

Thanks. You drive carefully. All this **** talking today was fun. Helped build my post count.

[Atlas]

Palin or Obama?

I think it is close -- being a community organizer how does that make one qualified to run a country? How long did Obama serve his county on a national scene before he decided to start contructing his Greek temple?

She was a sports broadcaster just a few years ago. She has a bachelors degree in journalism...... She is nothing.

I expect more out of my leaders. You know Universities teach you great things. We should demand that are leaders are educated. She has a bachelors degree from some Jr. College somewhere, and McCain finished 894 out of 899 in his class at Annapolis. There were only 5 people that finished with lower scores than McCain.

Christ I see all the white, redneck republicans voting for the party just because they talk like the average American. GW talks like the everyday trailer park idiot and they love him. Trailer Park trash and the religious Right got GW elected, and made the whole country suffer through one of the worst 8 years periods in American History.

I blame this whole thing on Bush. I can't believe all you stupid ****ing idiots voted for Bush.

It's all your fault. Not only did you vote for Bush once but you voted for him twice!!!! Let's face it your judgement stinks. Now I don 't think you did that on purpose but lets face it you people are too incompetent to vote. BUSH SUCKS!!!!!!

We can't take your vote away but please when you get into the booth if you want to help the country which ever candidate you were going to vote for....... vote for the other guy!!!! I promise you it will be the best thing for the country.

[defenseman]

Palin or Obama?

I think it is close -- being a community organizer how does that make one qualified to run a country? How long did Obama serve his county on a national scene before he decided to start contructing his Greek temple?

Palin, freaking hands down. And, short of the very liberal in the country, and even some of them, they all know that. This is why, Palin is such a threat to Obama, he not only has to worry about the fact that she is his equal wrt getting through to people, she trumps him at every turn on experience, let alone McCain has a solid record, Obama has the "present" button cloud hanging over his head. This will hurt him, the american people will eventually come to this conclusion..dman

[Drek]

And I respect you for this. You need to vote for the candadate that is going to help your cause.

I truly don't know who I will vote for. Being military, I am afraid Obama will cut military funding thus my pay. And I have alot of respect for what McCain went through even though he had the opportunity to be released earlier. Obama is an intelligent guy. When he speaks, you really want to listen.

I'll be getting deployed to Kuwait till January so, my vote probably won't count anyway.
Obama wants to reduce spending on military R&D where we're spending billions a year on potential future tech when we're already grossly cutting edge. We could easily pare it down some and still stay on the cutting edge.

As for individuals in the military, Obama wants to increase your medical benefits during and after service and he wants to significantly increase the funding you can receive for college or other post-service benefits.

People in the military have nothing to fear about Obama, unless they're a high ranking official suckling off gross amounts of discretionary funding that they can spirit away to personal pet projects.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

She was a sports broadcaster just a few years ago. She has a bachelors degree in journalism...... She is nothing.

I expect more out of my leaders. You know Universities teach you great things. We should demand that are leaders are educated. She has a bachelors degree from some Jr. College somewhere, and McCain finished 894 out of 899 in his class at Annapolis. There were only 5 people that finished with lower scores than McCain.

Christ I see all the white, redneck republicans voting for the party just because they talk like the average American. GW talks like the everyday trailer park idiot and they love him. Trailer Park trash and the religious Right got GW elected, and made the whole country suffer through one of the worst 8 years periods in American History.

I blame this whole thing on Bush. I can't believe all you stupid ****ing idiots voted for Bush.

It's all your fault. Not only did you vote for Bush once but you voted for him twice!!!! Let's face it your judgement stinks. Now I don 't think you did that on purpose but lets face it you people are too incompetent to vote. BUSH SUCKS!!!!!!

We can't take your vote away but please when you get into the booth if you want to help the country which ever candidate you were going to vote for....... vote for the other guy!!!! I promise you it will be the best thing for the country.

Hammer, nail, head. :yep: ^5

[TailgateNut]

She was a sports broadcaster just a few years ago. She has a bachelors degree in journalism...... She is nothing.

I expect more out of my leaders. You know Universities teach you great things. We should demand that are leaders are educated. She has a bachelors degree from some Jr. College somewhere, and McCain finished 894 out of 899 in his class at Annapolis. There were only 5 people that finished with lower scores than McCain.

Christ I see all the white, redneck republicans voting for the party just because they talk like the average American. GW talks like the everyday trailer park idiot and they love him. Trailer Park trash and the religious Right got GW elected, and made the whole country suffer through one of the worst 8 years periods in American History.

I blame this whole thing on Bush. I can't believe all you stupid ****ing idiots voted for Bush.

It's all your fault. Not only did you vote for Bush once but you voted for him twice!!!! Let's face it your judgement stinks. Now I don 't think you did that on purpose but lets face it you people are too incompetent to vote. BUSH SUCKS!!!!!!

We can't take your vote away but please when you get into the booth if you want to help the country which ever candidate you were going to vote for....... vote for the other guy!!!! I promise you it will be the best thing for the country.



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[socalorado]

She was a sports broadcaster just a few years ago. She has a bachelors degree in journalism...... She is nothing.
I expect more out of my leaders. You know Universities teach you great things. We should demand that are leaders are educated. She has a bachelors degree from some Jr. College somewhere, and McCain finished 894 out of 899 in his class at Annapolis. There were only 5 people that finished with lower scores than McCain.
Christ I see all the white, redneck republicans voting for the party just because they talk like the average American. GW talks like the everyday trailer park idiot and they love him. Trailer Park trash and the religious Right got GW elected, and made the whole country suffer through one of the worst 8 years periods in American History.
I blame this whole thing on Bush. I can't believe all you stupid ****ing idiots voted for Bush.
It's all your fault. Not only did you vote for Bush once but you voted for him twice!!!! Let's face it your judgement stinks. Now I don 't think you did that on purpose but lets face it you people are too incompetent to vote. BUSH SUCKS!!!!!!
We can't take your vote away but please when you get into the booth if you want to help the country which ever candidate you were going to vote for....... vote for the other guy!!!! I promise you it will be the best thing for the country.

Oh she has something alright.......and i am not even a neocon! Its called MILF POWER!
But man, i love watching this circus!
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[ant1999e]

Christ I see all the white, redneck republicans voting for the party just because they talk like the average American. GW talks like the everyday trailer park idiot and they love him. Trailer Park trash and the religious Right got GW elected, and made the whole country suffer through one of the worst 8 years periods in American History.



You people are so hateful.:thumbsdow