Palin smears are turning me onto the McCain ticket...

[Garcia Bronco]

An unmarried, pregnant 17-year-old is never the decider. The adult is.

Come on Blue. You are skirting the question. What would you tell your mother that had that opportunity?

[Garcia Bronco]

we are criticizing her for simply being a mom with children running for VP

But you are.

[Blueflame]

Come on Blue. You are skirting the question. What would you tell your mother that had that opportunity?

Well, I certainly wouldn't want my indiscretion to be the most prevalent topic of conversation in America. Nor would I want my family to be the butt of jokes on all the talk shows... nor would I want my belly to be shown in every tabloid in the world. But neither would my mother want any of these things.

What makes you think that Sarah asked Bristol's opinion?

Yeah, my sympathies definitely lie with Palin in this whole thing... Bristol Palin.

[Blueflame]

A further observation, if I may, since we're on the subject of what the 17-year-old is probably thinking. Teenagers in general aren't really noted for magnanimity.... your average teen goes through a noticeable self-centered phase, and this is particularly true if you add in the pressures and hormones that a pregnancy entails. Bristol most likely wishes she was anywhere else right now.

[Garcia Bronco]

Well, I certainly wouldn't want my indiscretion to be the most prevalent topic of conversation in America. Nor would I want my family to be the butt of jokes on all the talk shows... nor would I want my belly to be shown in every tabloid in the world. But neither would my mother want any of these things.

What makes you think that Sarah asked Bristol's opinion?

Yeah, my sympathies definitely lie with Palin in this whole thing... Bristol Palin.


It's what I would do. Just like you are saying what you would do. For all we know Bristol told her to do it. Either way it's a blessing for them despite what a bunch of loud mouth internet tough people say on the bloggis-sphere. If there was every a complete break down in social order these people would be the first to go.

[Garcia Bronco]

A further observation, if I may, since we're on the subject of what the 17-year-old is probably thinking. Teenagers in general aren't really noted for magnanimity.... your average teen goes through a noticeable self-centered phase, and this is particularly true if you add in the pressures and hormones that a pregnancy entails. Bristol most likely wishes she was anywhere else right now.

Or she could enjoy the fact that parts of the coverage are about her.

[Beantown Bronco]

Bristol most likely wishes she was anywhere else right now.

I don't know what the State of Alaska's academic calendar looks like, but shouldn't she (and her boyfriend) be in school this week?

[alkemical]

An unmarried, pregnant 17-year-old is never the decider. The adult is.

http://chrisvreeland.com/The-Great-Decider.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And I'm asking what about having a pregnant teenage daughter makes her a bad mom?

She peddles "abstinence" in her public life - and then it turns out her own daughter is pregnant at 17?

You don't see the problem here?

[Garcia Bronco]

She peddles "abstinence" in her public life - and then it turns out her own daughter is pregnant at 17?

You don't see the problem here?

Her daughter is of legal alaskan age to have sex and she's taking responsibilty

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Her daughter is of legal alaskan age to have sex and she's taking responsibilty

Doesn't change the fact that there is a glaring disparity between the principles Palin preaches in public life and what she practices in her private life.

[Blueflame]

It's what I would do. Just like you are saying what you would do. For all we know Bristol told her to do it. Either way it's a blessing for them despite what a bunch of loud mouth internet tough people say on the bloggis-sphere. If there was every a complete break down in social order these people would be the first to go.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us/politics/30veep.html?_r=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Actually, it appears that the Palin children were told after the fact that their mother had been chosen to be McCain's VP candidate....

From the linked article: "Ms. Palin flew to Flagstaff, Ariz., on Wednesday evening to meet with two of Mr. McCain’s senior campaign aides, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter, said Jill Hazelbaker, a campaign spokeswoman. The group met at the Flagstaff home of Bob Delgado, the chief executive officer of the Hensley Corporation, the family business of Cindy McCain, Mr. McCain’s wife.

After meeting with Mrs. McCain there the next morning, Ms. Palin was taken to the McCain vacation compound near Sedona, where Mr. McCain offered her a spot on the ticket at 11 a.m.

She flew to Ohio later that day with Mr. Schmidt and Mr. Salter, and checked into a hotel as the Upton family. Ms. Palin’s children, who had been told they were going to Ohio to celebrate their parents’ 20th wedding anniversary on Friday, were informed there that their mother would be the Republican vice-presidential nominee."

[Blueflame]

Or she could enjoy the fact that parts of the coverage are about her.

Sure... wouldn't anyone "enjoy" being on the cover of the National Enquirer with a lurid story to boot?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I was.Oh, so you were offended by that debacle but this one is even worse so you are changing your vote to the perpetrator of the one that isn't as bad in your eyes?

[elsid13]

Yes, they did attack Chelsea during her father's presidency. Brutally. And she was only 12 when it started.

Don't forget the attack on how Chelsea was dressed when the opened the Clinton library

[tnedator]

people attacked Chelsea ??? ... besides someone asking her that question about her dad that was Uncalled during Hil's run for President i didn't see anyone touch her during Bills term as president ... ??? I'm seriously asking so don't be a penis ...

Chelsea was the butt of jokes all over the place. The fact that she wasn't a gorgeous little girl, people made jokes about her left and right. It was pretty sick, even from the perspective of a non-Clinton supporter.

[Chupacabra]

Doesn't change the fact that there is a glaring disparity between the principles Palin preaches in public life and what she practices in her private life.

It's not like she told Bristol to have sex. Bristol did it on her own like most teenagers. Do you really believe that Sarah didn't try to teach her children abstinence?

[Spider]

Meh you want ot vote for McCain ....... knock yourself out , if you like the way things are going then find the name McCain and check it ........Personally , I remember the last 8 years ....My Country comes first

[Spider]

It's not like she told Bristol to have sex. Bristol did it on her own like most teenagers. Do you really believe that Sarah didn't try to teach her children abstinence?

Should have put her on the pill no excuses

[ScottXray]

Should have put her on the pill no excuses

Palin wouldn't /couldn't do that. If she did she violates her abstinance only
creed. She has to live with that now. And actually it would be a damned if you do , damned if you don't , cause it may have come out about that if she had. And so her daughter made a bad choice .

I object to any Reference to Palin making a CHOICE about her recent downs baby. According to her own creed she had no choice.

What I don't like is her thoughts that NO ONE should have one.

As for her views on Iraq and it being God"s mission.

I definitely don't want any freaking nut job that thinks GOD has a preference
in a politically based decision to invade a country Pre-emptively. ( for those of you who don't understand that word it means without any real reason other than we thought that they might eventually do something to piss us off . )

Anyone that actually has thoughts like that would likely start WW3 by deciding that God thinks its OK to nuke someone. Frankly both McCain and Palin scare the crap out of me, but her more so.

[RaiderH8r]

She peddles "abstinence" in her public life - and then it turns out her own daughter is pregnant at 17?

You don't see the problem here?

So parents who tell their children about birth control that end up being teenage mothers anyway aren't a problem?

Fact is teenage pregnancy happens in this country no matter how much you stress abstinence or safe sex to children. It simply happens and it has to be dealt with. Christ, I live in DC, one of the most liberal cities in America and there's no trouble here promoting sex education in the schools and guess what? Teen pregnancy is a huge problem here too.

At this point you and Blue are wallowing in schadenfreude and that's fine, it's what you do. But to say she's a bad mother for it is an insult to millions of women out there who do the right thing every day in raising their kids the best they can and still have their daughters knocked up as teenagers.

[RaiderH8r]

Yes. If Obama moved into the public spotlight at a time when one of his daughters was pregnant, the media would be all over it even worse than they are now. And yes, the distress his daughter suffered as a result would be his fault.

Well I guess that's the difference. I'm willing to hold the scumbags accountable for being scumbags and you're willing to give it a pass because that's just how the cookie crumbles. I guess your belief in Obama's "Change" only extends so far...about as far as convenience will allow.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So parents who tell their children about birth control that end up being teenage mothers anyway aren't a problem?

Fact is teenage pregnancy happens in this country no matter how much you stress abstinence or safe sex to children. It simply happens and it has to be dealt with. Christ, I live in DC, one of the most liberal cities in America and there's no trouble here promoting sex education in the schools and guess what? Teen pregnancy is a huge problem here too.

At this point you and Blue are wallowing in schadenfreude and that's fine, it's what you do. But to say she's a bad mother for it is an insult to millions of women out there who do the right thing every day in raising their kids the best they can and still have their daughters knocked up as teenagers.

Nice spin.

The point is that a woman who wants to push her "abstinence only" agenda
on the rest of us can't even succeed with her own daughter.

What does that say about her effectiveness as a role model?

[Beantown Bronco]

So parents who tell their children about birth control that end up being teenage mothers anyway aren't a problem?



To play Devil's advocate....no such parents are running for office.

[alkemical]

Look at this thread:

I illustrate how this is a divide and conquer technique being played to keep the real issues from being discussed - yet nobody even cares. They are more happy with trying to be right.

[Meck77]

Anyone relying on the government to take care of them is setting themselves up for real hard times.

[bronclvr]

Look at this thread:

I illustrate how this is a divide and conquer technique being played to keep the real issues from being discussed - yet nobody even cares. They are more happy with trying to be right.

QFT :thumbs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Look at this thread:

I illustrate how this is a divide and conquer technique being played to keep the real issues from being discussed - yet nobody even cares. They are more happy with trying to be right.

You're right.

I pointed out how Rove had found the ultimate wedge in Sarah Palin yesterday.

It is the whole "divide and conquer/make the election a referendum on anything but the real issues" slight of hand Rove has worked successfully in the past.

Will Americans be stupid enough to buy the same snake oil twice?

This remains to be seen.

[CasinoRoyal]

Where were you with the "moral outrage" when the right-wing attack dogs were going after Chelsea Clinton?

And if something like this is enough to decide your vote (as opposed to real issues like the economy, Iraq, health care, etc.) then I guess you've finally become a full-fledged, card-carrying "values" voter.

You couldnt have said it ANY BETTER.

This dude changed his vote for the dumbest shyt ever......

People play and jump from side to side with this election shyt like out country aint ****ed up.

Like this election is a big game or something.....

[alkemical]

You couldnt have said it ANY BETTER.

This dude changed his vote for the dumbest shyt ever......

People play and jump from side to side with this election shyt like out country aint ****ed up.

Like this election is a big game or something.....

Here's my take:

This is Rove's design and the press jumped on it and acted in a way that Rove would have predicted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/08/karl-rove-advising-mccain_n_90524.html



If it was AFTER 3p EST i beat you to it... :) hehe

[Meck77]

Like this election is a big game or something.....

It's entertainment for some people Royal and then there are those who think they are so important that they will sway votes via a message board. :rofl:

[CasinoRoyal]

It's entertainment for some people Royal and then there are those who think they are so important that they will sway votes via a message board. :rofl:

But its not a game....

This is real life shyt and peope are acting jolly jumping from fence to fence.

This will effect alot of people lives in a positive or negative way.

Nothing to be joked with.

I hate flip floppers who switch seats every week.

[alkemical]

But its not a game....

This is real life shyt and peope are acting jolly jumping from fence to fence.

This will effect alot of people lives in a positive or negative way.

Nothing to be joked with.

I hate flip floppers who switch seats every week.

Maybe we should make it a game, so people don't take it so seriously.

FNORD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord)!

[Taco John]

But its not a game....

This is real life shyt and peope are acting jolly jumping from fence to fence.

This will effect alot of people lives in a positive or negative way.

Nothing to be joked with.

I hate flip floppers who switch seats every week.



Who are you calling a flip-flopper? I have never had any intention of voting for Obama. I wasn't planning on voting at all. But watching the liberals lie about a "change of tone" in politics and then attack with such sleazy tactics is drawing me out of the woodwork.

[alkemical]

Who are you calling a flip-flopper? I have never had any intention of voting for Obama. I wasn't planning on voting at all. But watching the liberals lie about a "change of tone" in politics and then attack with such sleazy tactics is drawing me out of the woodwork.

TJ,

Just a question:

Maybe you are being manipulated to think the attacks in one way - but it was calculated that you would feel that way to gain support.

Just saying man...just saying. (maybe i have too much cynicism)

[Rohirrim]

Who are you calling a flip-flopper? I have never had any intention of voting for Obama. I wasn't planning on voting at all. But watching the liberals lie about a "change of tone" in politics and then attack with such sleazy tactics is drawing me out of the woodwork.

Sleazy tactics? Where have you been hiding since 1980?

[CasinoRoyal]

Who are you calling a flip-flopper? I have never had any intention of voting for Obama. I wasn't planning on voting at all. But watching the liberals lie about a "change of tone" in politics and then attack with such sleazy tactics is drawing me out of the woodwork.

All i heard from republicans last night was "change"ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who are you calling a flip-flopper? I have never had any intention of voting for Obama. I wasn't planning on voting at all. But watching the liberals lie about a "change of tone" in politics and then attack with such sleazy tactics is drawing me out of the woodwork.

If by "the liberals" you mean the candidates themselves, then you would be wrong.

As for the rest of us, we're not running for political office.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

All i heard from republicans last night was "change"ROFL!

Yep.

And wouldn't that be tantamount to an admission that Trifecta Boy has taken America in the wrong direction? ;)

[Rank&File]

All i heard from republicans last night was "change"ROFL!

Because that's the buzz word. I'm trying to decide to vote for Roger Waters or David Gilmour. I just don't like our current choices. I'm going to have to go the "lesser of two evils" route I guess. Whoever is more concerned about the blue collar "everyman". And I don't know yet who that is. I wish I could feel comfortable, but I don't.

[24champ]

Who are you calling a flip-flopper? I have never had any intention of voting for Obama. I wasn't planning on voting at all. But watching the liberals lie about a "change of tone" in politics and then attack with such sleazy tactics is drawing me out of the woodwork.

I agree with Taco. The left wing smear machine just made me vote for McCain, and the only other way I was going to vote for McCain was if Romney was on the ticket.

This smear strategy is going to backfire, you had a base that was discontent with McCain and now you just pissed them all off and got them united.

[alkemical]

I agree with Taco. The left wing smear machine just made me vote for McCain, and the only other way I was going to vote for McCain was if Romney was on the ticket.

This smear strategy is going to backfire, you had a base that was discontent with McCain and now you just pissed them all off and got them united.

They didn't make you do anything.

Look man - this is a Rove ploy - how the **** can't you dumb mother ****ers see that.

[24champ]

They didn't make you do anything.

Look man - this is a Rove ploy - how the **** can't you dumb mother ****ers see that.

Of course whenever the liberals f up in a campaign, it's a rove like ploy.

Thanks for the laugh.

[snowspot66]

Of course whenever the liberals f up in a campaign, it's a rove like ploy.

Thanks for the laugh.

You would vote for a man you don 't like just because somebody is smearing his name? Well why don't you go be a Raiders fan then. Nobody likes them and we throw **** at them all the time.

This is the dumbest way to make a decision on who to vote for. Vote for the issues, not because somebody is getting picked on. You know if it were the other way around the **** would be coming just as fast and thick if not worse.

If we live through GBIII because a bunch of people got butt hurt over how mean the media is being to McBush and Caribou "it's God's will" Barbie, I'm going to be really ****ing pissed. Don't try to blame it on the left. They aren't making you do ****. It's you're decision, not theirs. Don't make it based on something retarded and ultimately irrelevant.

[CasinoRoyal]

You would vote for a man you don 't like just because somebody is smearing his name? Well why don't you go be a Raiders fan then. Nobody likes them and we throw **** at them all the time.

This is the dumbest way to make a decision on who to vote for. Vote for the issues, not because somebody is getting picked on. You know if it were the other way around the **** would be coming just as fast and thick if not worse.

If we live through GBIII because a bunch of people got butt hurt over how mean the media is being to McBush and Caribou "it's God's will" Barbie, I'm going to be really ****ing pissed. Don't try to blame it on the left. They aren't making you do ****. It's you're decision, not theirs. Don't make it based on something retarded and ultimately irrelevant.

no bullshyt how stupid can he be.

thats why i said i hae flip floppers and people who treat it like its a game....

[alkemical]

Of course whenever the liberals f up in a campaign, it's a rove like ploy.

Thanks for the laugh.

Oh i'm sorry - i guess i forgot who's advising the McCain campaign, eh?
So here - on the OM - we have like 20 threads on the VP selections daughter having a kid - and it's a complete distraction - other than she has a kid and how the smear campaign is run.

Really, can it be any more obvious? So again tell me how "they" are "making" you do something you don't like or want to do? You have no free will?

You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. -Native American
proverb

[alkemical]

You would vote for a man you don 't like just because somebody is smearing his name? Well why don't you go be a Raiders fan then. Nobody likes them and we throw **** at them all the time.

This is the dumbest way to make a decision on who to vote for. Vote for the issues, not because somebody is getting picked on. You know if it were the other way around the **** would be coming just as fast and thick if not worse.

If we live through GBIII because a bunch of people got butt hurt over how mean the media is being to McBush and Caribou "it's God's will" Barbie, I'm going to be really ****ing pissed. Don't try to blame it on the left. They aren't making you do ****. It's you're decision, not theirs. Don't make it based on something retarded and ultimately irrelevant.

no bullshyt how stupid can he be.

thats why i said i hae flip floppers and people who treat it like its a game....



Stupid is as stupid does - Forrest Gump

:)

[Garcia Bronco]

This is the dumbest
If we live through GBIII .

Calling McCain GBIII is dumb too.

[alkemical]

Calling McCain GBIII is dumb too.

Well, i guess by voting record, he did disagree with the presidon't 10% of the time ;)

[Garcia Bronco]

Well, i guess by voting record, he did disagree with the presidon't 10% of the time ;)

That's a cherry picked stat, and it doesn't even tell us exactly what it means.

[alkemical]

That's a cherry picked stat, and it doesn't even tell us exactly what it means.

What, no humor today? Did you miss the smiley? I'm told that if i have a smiley i can say asinine things and not be an ass!

[CasinoRoyal]

That's a cherry picked stat, and it doesn't even tell us exactly what it means.

Only somebody in "denial" would ACT like they dont know what it means........:rofl:

[Garcia Bronco]

What, no humor today? Did you miss the smiley? I'm told that if i have a smiley i can say asinine things and not be an ass!

Simley or no...I always think of you making asinine comments. :)

[Garcia Bronco]

Only somebody in "denial" would ACT like they dont know what it means........:rofl:

An only an ignorant fool would act like they have all the data. Now take the Hokies name out of your screen name. You haven't earned they right. :P

[alkemical]

Simley or no...I always think of you making asinine comments. :)

I can't deny the truth man.

[snowspot66]

He's supporting Bush's legislation and sucking up hardcore to the people that got him elected and the only people that still think he's doing a good job. He may not be GWIII but are we really going to split hairs on this one? Bush has been a disaster (and I used to support the man way back in the day, I was younger, stupid, and learned my lesson the hard way) and yet here we are possibly putting a shadow of the man right back in office.

[24champ]

You would vote for a man you don 't like just because somebody is smearing his name? Well why don't you go be a Raiders fan then. Nobody likes them and we throw **** at them all the time.

This is the dumbest way to make a decision on who to vote for. Vote for the issues, not because somebody is getting picked on. You know if it were the other way around the **** would be coming just as fast and thick if not worse.

If we live through GBIII because a bunch of people got butt hurt over how mean the media is being to McBush and Caribou "it's God's will" Barbie, I'm going to be really ****ing pissed. Don't try to blame it on the left. They aren't making you do ****. It's you're decision, not theirs. Don't make it based on something retarded and ultimately irrelevant.

There are worse reasons to vote for a candidate, like for example skin color.

As for my decision, the liberal MSM has attacked Palin bad enough that I just don't want to see their guy in office. It's plain as day who they are rooting for.

[alkemical]

There are worse reasons to vote for a candidate, like for example skin color.

As for my decision, the liberal MSM has attacked Palin bad enough that I just don't want to see their guy in office. It's plain as day who they are rooting for.

So...do you like diebold voting machines then?

[Garcia Bronco]

There are worse reasons to vote for a candidate, like for example skin color.



Exactly. And don't forget gender. I am ashamed of ALL of them.

[24champ]

Oh i'm sorry - i guess i forgot who's advising the McCain campaign, eh?
So here - on the OM - we have like 20 threads on the VP selections daughter having a kid - and it's a complete distraction - other than she has a kid and how the smear campaign is run.

Really, can it be any more obvious? So again tell me how "they" are "making" you do something you don't like or want to do? You have no free will?

You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. -Native American
proverb

Of course...I am sure FerottenextElway is the "rightie" starting all these "20 threads on VP selection daughter and kid"..Rove must have made him do it right?

Continue on with your elitism Amesj. It's amusing.

[Garcia Bronco]

He's supporting Bush's legislation and sucking up hardcore to the people that got him elected and the only people that still think he's doing a good job. He may not be GWIII but are we really going to split hairs on this one? Bush has been a disaster (and I used to support the man way back in the day, I was younger, stupid, and learned my lesson the hard way) and yet here we are possibly putting a shadow of the man right back in office.

Bush doesn't write legislation. Congress does. But what "Legislation" do you disagree with? We'll look up the resolution number and see exactly who voted for it.

[alkemical]

Of course...I am sure FerottenextElway is the "rightie" starting all these "20 threads on VP selection daughter and kid"..Rove must have made him do it right?

Continue on with your elitism Amesj. It's amusing.


Oh, so you are saying the Liberal Media "made him do it" - much like they are "making you do something".

****... Take some ****ing responsibility for your own stupidity. If you think i'm more elite than you, you aren't wrong - after all - i didn't say it. ;)

[24champ]

Exactly. And don't forget gender. I am ashamed of ALL of them.

Yeah...or voting for them because they can field dress a moose. Ehem, Hotrod.:giggle:

[24champ]

Oh, so you are saying the Liberal Media "made him do it" - much like they are "making you do something".

****... Take some ****ing responsibility for your own stupidity. If you think i'm more elite than you, you aren't wrong - after all - i didn't say it. ;)

I'm drinking the Daily Kos Kool-aid and saying Rove made Ferottenextelway start those threads.

[alkemical]

I'm drinking the Daily Kos Kool-aid and saying Rove made Ferottenextelway start those threads.


Coolness - i get to watch yet another flock of sheeple from both sides ruin this country some more!!!!

Some people wonder why i can't wait for the system to collapse upon itself.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Look at this thread:

I illustrate how this is a divide and conquer technique being played to keep the real issues from being discussed - yet nobody even cares. They are more happy with trying to be right.

It's not about being right, its about winning.

[alkemical]

It's not about being right, its about winning.

Winning what?

[TailgateNut]

Winning what?


Don't question his statement. it's defines the republican party to a T. They don't care if what they do is right for America, as long as they win.

[Atlas]

I would have never imagined voting for McCain, but watching these "change" agents smear this woman and drag her family into their smears is troubling for me. The more negative these "change" agents go, the more inclined I find myself to spite them with my vote.

Let me get this straight. Because the media is reporting negative issues about Palin you are now thinking about voting for her???

If the media is doing that to you than you are a sheep. Try thinking for yourself for a change and stop letting the media dictate who you vote for.

[Hogan11]

So much for what Ron Paul stood for and how the GOP treated him and his supporters

[Taco John]

Let me get this straight. Because the media is reporting negative issues about Palin you are now thinking about voting for her???


No I liked her to begin with. She's a libertarian. But I didn't want to vote for McCain.



If the media is doing that to you than you are a sheep. Try thinking for yourself for a change and stop letting the media dictate who you vote for.


Call me what you want. No skin off my back. I was out of play, and watching this relentless attack on her family and her values has put me in play to stand up for what I think is right: individuality and decency.

I haven't decided to vote for her. All I've decided at this point is that I'm in play. At the very least, the Republicans have thrown the libertarians a bone here. That is much more than I can say for the Democrats.

[Hogan11]

http://www.lp.org/blogs/andrew-davis/should-libertarians-be-happy-with-palin

As for Libertarians, Palin is certainly a breath of fresh air from the typical establishment candidates. However, Palin is also more of a political chess piece than a real sign of reform within the GOP. Her backseat in the "Straight Talk Express" makes her a passenger, not a driver, in the campaign.

While the base of the GOP may be more prone to rallying behind Palin than McCain, it's still McCain that is heading the ticket, and it will be McCain that would be making the policy decisions in a McCain administration. Though Palin herself may not know it, and though newly excited conservatives may not be willing to believe it, Palin's role (and her views) will most likely be marginal at best.

Voting for McCain because of Palin is like buying a jalopy with a fresh paint job, and hoping it will perform like a car right out of the factory doors. The GOP is still heading down a bumpy path, and even a reformer like Palin isn't enough to get it back on the pavement.


I'll pass.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He's supporting Bush's legislation and sucking up hardcore to the people that got him elected and the only people that still think he's doing a good job. He may not be GWIII but are we really going to split hairs on this one? Bush has been a disaster (and I used to support the man way back in the day, I was younger, stupid, and learned my lesson the hard way) and yet here we are possibly putting a shadow of the man right back in office.

Good man! :thumbsup:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's not about being right, its about winning.

You just desribed the McCain/Palin supporters to a 'T.'

They just want to do a victory dance in the end zone - they don't care about what's best for America.

Supporting "team GOP" is like supporting their favorite football team.

[tnedator]

You just desribed the McCain/Palin supporters to a 'T.'

They just want to do a victory dance in the end zone - they don't care about what's best for America.

Supporting "team GOP" is like supporting their favorite football team.

Don't confuse a difference of opinion as to what is best for America with people not CARING about what is best for America. Significant difference.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Don't confuse a difference of opinion as to what is best for America with people not CARING about what is best for America. Significant difference.

No confusion here.

Anyone who is aware of how much damage the extremism of Bush and the GOP has done to our country these past eight years and who would vote for more of the same does not give a sh*t about this country.

[TheDave]

I haven't decided to vote for her. All I've decided at this point is that I'm in play. At the very least, the Republicans have thrown the libertarians a bone here. That is much more than I can say for the Democrats.

See I would of expected you to stick to your guns and write in RP...

[tnedator]

No confusion here.

Anyone who is aware of how much damage the extremism of Bush and the GOP has done to our country these past eight years and who would vote for more of the same does not give a sh*t about this country.

First of all, John McCain isn't George Bush, but good job trumpeting Obama's campaign message that you have been brainwashed with :thumbsup:

Second, it's politically convenient to blame all that is wrong with the economy on Bush, but not everyone buys the Obama propoganda.

[Spider]

First of all, John McCain isn't George Bush, but good job trumpeting Obama's campaign message that you have been brainwashed with :thumbsup:

Second, it's politically convenient to blame all that is wrong with the economy on Bush, but not everyone buys the Obama propoganda.

LOL Mcsame voted with Bush 95% of the time ......... get the **** off the ride with that weak ****

[tnedator]

LOL Mcsame voted with Bush 95% of the time ......... get the **** off the ride with that weak ****

Thought it was 90%?

At least he knew how to check YES or NO Hilarious!

[CasinoRoyal]

Taco is a flip flopper.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

First of all, John McCain isn't George Bush, but good job trumpeting Obama's campaign message that you have been brainwashed with :thumbsup:

McCain has voted with Bush ~90% of the time.

If you are unaware of this, then it's highly likely that you are the one who is "brainwashed."

Second, it's politically convenient to blame all that is wrong with the economy on Bush, but not everyone buys the Obama propoganda.

So now you're trying to claim that ~75% of Americans are Obama supporters?

:giggle:

[CasinoRoyal]

Thought it was 90%?

At least he knew how to check YES or NO Hilarious!

Yeahits 90.....You say that as if 90 sounds better or something......

Must be nice having low-middle class type income and be for McBush.....

im not banking my future on 10% change.....Hilarious!

Republicans are so stupid and be in denial the most.......

[tnedator]

So now you're trying to claim that ~75% of Americans are Obama supporters?

:giggle:

It appears that ~85% of Americans see it as congresses fault, based on their approval rating.

[tnedator]

Republicans are so stupid and be in denial the most.......

Great news for you, McCain is going to improve the education system in America. Maybe they will let you have a second go at it. ;)

[CasinoRoyal]

Great news for you, McCain is going to improve the education system in America. Maybe they will let you have a second go at it. ;)

Nah im pretty good @ life. ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It appears that ~85% of Americans see it as congresses fault, based on their approval rating.

But your claim was that Americans who hold Bush accountable for his failed leadership were just buying into Obama's "propaganda."

Are you really trying to claim that ~75% of Americans are Obama supporters?

Further, Bush did most of the damage with the help of a GOP-controlled, rubber stamp Congress over six of the last eight years.

[tnedator]

But your claim was that Americans who hold Bush accountable for his failed leadership were just buying into Obama's "propaganda."

Are you really trying to claim that ~75% of Americans are Obama supporters?

Further, Bush did most of the damage with the help of a GOP-controlled, rubber stamp Congress over six of the last eight years.

First, I never said a word about the 75%, that's your number. So, I didn't claim anything in regards to it.

As to the damage. Have you heard of 9/11? The economy was going in the tank, left over by Clinton's policy, as there is AlWAYS a lag effect, and then 9/11 hit. The economy, including major sectors like travel, which had a knock on effect in many service areas, went in the dumper. Private investments plunged after 9/11. There were MANY knock on effects.

There are many other factors, such as the impact from Katrina, the strengthening of the Euro, countries like Japan and other raising interest rates and drawing foreign investments out of the US, which further devalued the dollar and raised the cost of fuel.

Don't get me wrong, Obama might get electected because of the economy, but blaming it all on Bush.

I'm no economist, and I doubt even an economist could define all the reasons for our economic situation, but if you want to believe Obama has the answers, power to you.

[tnedator]

But your claim was that Americans who hold Bush accountable for his failed leadership were just buying into Obama's "propaganda."

Are you really trying to claim that ~75% of Americans are Obama supporters?



Good try, LABS. :thumbsup:

I said: "Second, it's politically convenient to blame all that is wrong with the economy on Bush, but not everyone buys the Obama propoganda."

[Atlas]

No I liked her to begin with. She's a libertarian. But I didn't want to vote for McCain.






Call me what you want. No skin off my back. I was out of play, and watching this relentless attack on her family and her values has put me in play to stand up for what I think is right: individuality and decency.

I haven't decided to vote for her. All I've decided at this point is that I'm in play. At the very least, the Republicans have thrown the libertarians a bone here. That is much more than I can say for the Democrats.

This is so stupid. You are basing your vote on what the media does? That is ridiculous! Watch the news. The shows that are stirin g up all the **** is the conservatiove shows. They are raising the sexiest Babber night and day wioth basicllay nothing to stand on. They are the ones screamimg about how unfair the media is... Well the media has not don't one thing here that they haven't done to Hillary a 1,000,000,000,000 times. If you are going to vote for McCain that's fine but for christ sakes come out and have a logical reason why. I know reason isn't on the GOP platform so you might have to look deep at why you should I vote for that party. But any reason you might be able to find has to be better than you blaming the media. That smak is lame.

[Drek]

No I liked her to begin with. She's a libertarian. But I didn't want to vote for McCain.


Libertarian?

She's ousted people in Alaska for not supporting her campaign, she wants to legislate morality (abortion, gay rights, drugs, creationism, etc.). She has describe the Iraq war as a mission from God and is in favor of staying there.

Last I knew Libertarians were in favor of civil freedoms and not getting involved in foreign conflicts.

The only way she's a libertarian is that she claims to be somewhat free market, but she enacted a windfall profits tax on oil companies as Alaska's governor which she then divided between the constituency. Not a horrible idea in my opinion but that is as non-free market as it gets.

I personally agree (as does Obama) that personal attacks are horrible. But if you look at the issues she's the same old GOP that has spent the last 30 years telling libertarians that they agreed with them only to get in office, increase foreign presence, deficit spending, and begin legislating morality.

I blame the libertarians for being so easily duped. If they genuinely voted for economic and civil freedoms equally they wouldn't be so easily played. But 90% of them vote their wallets before their civil rights time after time so its their own damn fault. They let the republican party run this same play on them every election.

Dems will raise your taxes! (not really but it sounds good), Dems want to make us socialists! (not really, but it will make you feel better when we take away your civil liberties, can spy on you at will without warrants, and make you sign up for a national ID card).

Same song and dance, I can't believe people keep falling for it, but then not nearly enough people go out and actually read campaign issues so they're uneducated voters. Their loss. Won't stop me from being successful, and it won't stop me from still voting the real issues.

Don't bitch though when you once again get duped into voting for a POTUS who only talks about reform and our freedoms every four years.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

First, I never said a word about the 75%, that's your number. So, I didn't claim anything in regards to it.

You implied that those Americans who hold Bush accoutable for his failures are merely buying into "Obama's propaganda" - which implies that those same Americans are Obama supporters.

~75% Americans do not approve of Bush's performance as president.

As to the damage. Have you heard of 9/11? The economy was going in the tank, left over by Clinton's policy....

Hilarious!

I knew your next move would be to blame Clinton for eight years of Bush/GOP misadministration.

Don't you ever take responsibility for anything Bush or your party does?

Pathetic!

[alkemical]

So much for what Ron Paul stood for and how the GOP treated him and his supporters

I'm still writing him in. It doesn't matter whom i vote for out of the two major parties anyway, right? I might as well vote for what i stand in. His principles on where America needs to go, is in a direction i like far more than where we are headed with either major party.

[alkemical]

Don't confuse a difference of opinion as to what is best for America with people not CARING about what is best for America. Significant difference.

No actually they are on in the same. You see, what's "Best for America" is for "my team" to "win".

There's not really a difference there. Heh, i guess in some ways you'd have to be for...or against someone to know where you begin, eh?

[BroncoInferno]

I am sorry Taco, but saying Palin is a libertarian is retarded. Her social policy is wacko FAR right ring intrusive BS. She is most assuredly NOT a libertarian.

[Rohirrim]

Chris Matthews confronted the Palin campaign yesterday with the question, "Name one single reputable major news organization that has attacked Palin's family."

Their response? The blogs.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Chris Matthews confronted the Palin campaign yesterday with the question, "Name one single reputable major news organization that has attacked Palin's family."

Their response? The blogs.

:rofl:

Looks like Rove's strategy might already be backfiring.

She's supposed to come out of this looking like the poor, persecuted "believer," damnit!

[Garcia Bronco]

Chris Matthews confronted the Palin campaign yesterday with the question, "Name one single reputable major news organization that has attacked Palin's family."

Their response? The blogs.

Face it. Blogs are now part of the media. And CNN did on it's airwaves repeating what had been said. That's reporting it.

[Rohirrim]

Face it. Blogs are now part of the media. And CNN did on it's airwaves repeating what had been said. That's reporting it.

Blogs are part of the medium. Not the media. Big difference.

[alkemical]

Blogs are part of the medium. Not the media. Big difference.

Ding ding ding

[tnedator]

You implied that those Americans who hold Bush accoutable for his failures are merely buying into "Obama's propaganda" - which implies that those same Americans are Obama supporters.



No, actually, I stated the obvious, the left wing wackos like yourself are parroting Obama's propaganda, which is to blame everything wrong in the economy on Bush.

[Spider]

No, actually, I stated the obvious, the left wing wackos like yourself are parroting Obama's propaganda, which is to blame everything wrong in the economy on Bush.
And what in the **** is different then going around and blaming Clinton ?
you ****s are the right are a complete joke

[tnedator]

you ****s are the right are a complete joke

That's right, you disagree with someone, so just curse at them and call them a joke. :thumbsup:

[Spider]

That's right, you disagree with someone, so just curse at them and call them a joke. :thumbsup:

thats it ? you hike up your skirt and act as if you been violated, even if someone thinks ill of Bush ....... yet your ilk has blamed Clinton for everything

[tnedator]

thats it ? you hike up your skirt and act as if you been violated, even if someone thinks ill of Bush ....... yet your ilk has blamed Clinton for everything

If you set your man-crush on Obama aside for a moment or two, you will see that I am one of only a handful of people posting in WPR that is willing to be open to both sides of a topic, be critical of either side depending on the facts, rather than just blindly parroting my "party's rhetoric".

Honesty and integrity, it won't hurt you. Give it a try. :thumbsup:

[Spider]

If you set your man-crush on Obama aside for a moment or two, you will see that I am one of only a handful of people posting in WPR that is willing to be open to both sides of a topic, be critical of either side depending on the facts, rather than just blindly parroting my "party's rhetoric".

Honesty and integrity, it won't hurt you. Give it a try. :thumbsup:

LOL I already told you what i thought of your of your so called integrity...... I already pointed out how you handled the right on your board .........no need to rehash that ......... But what I cant figure out is why you insist on bull****ting me

[scttgrd]

Spider, Spider, Spider, you know these types don't deal in reality or truth unless it fits the message. Arguing with them is like asking who on first.

[Spider]

Spider, Spider, Spider, you know these types don't deal in reality or truth unless it fits the message. Arguing with them is like asking who on first.

LOL I consider it therapy ;D

[scttgrd]

I see it more like beating up on a mental patient, lousy argument and might have you sharing a room before you know it.

[tnedator]

LOL I already told you what i thought of your of your so called integrity...... I already pointed out how you handled the right on your board .........no need to rehash that ......... But what I cant figure out is why you insist on bull****ting me

It appears there is a lot you can't figure out, including the fact that while I lean right (there is much 'core' conservative views I don't align with), that I am willing to see and discuss both sides of the issues and candidates.

I have shown that consistently, unfortunately you can't accept any view that isn't 100% aligned with your liberal view of the world. There really are shades of gray.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Spider, Spider, Spider, you know these types don't deal in reality or truth unless it fits the message. Arguing with them is like asking who on first.

Yep.

We must not lose sight of the fact that the people who love Palin are the same Kool-Aid chuggers who still defend Bush.

[tnedator]

Yep.

We must not lose sight of the fact that the people who love Palin are the same Kool-Aid chuggers who still defend Bush.

More parroting of the obama's camp. Liberal, elite spin being parroted by followers all across the Internet. Weak minds, but devout following... ROFL!

[Spider]

It appears there is a lot you can't figure out, including the fact that while I lean right (there is much 'core' conservative views I don't align with), that I am willing to see and discuss both sides of the issues and candidates.

I have shown that consistently, unfortunately you can't accept any view that isn't 100% aligned with your liberal view of the world. There really are shades of gray.
LOL no I accept that , I just dont accept you are that person ........by not speaking up suggest alot

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

More parroting of the obama's camp. Liberal, elite spin being parroted by followers all across the Internet. Weak minds, but devout following... ROFL!

More idiotic straw man tactics, i.e., suggesting that only Obama supporters disapprove of Bush's job performance.

[tnedator]

LOL no I accept that , I just dont accept you are that person ........by not speaking up suggest alot

Spider, whether you like it or not, I will not censor views on either side of the aisle. I looked at the first handful of posts in the Rushbo thread you spoke of. Do you honestly think I should censor the content on the forum and not allow someone to post quotes from Rush? ???

How about BG7 who you have defended that posts things about how our government blew up WTC #7 and possibly towers 1 and 2? Should I censor that?

Once I start censoring, where do I stop?

The rules were defined by the community. It was decided to have a P&R area and that all views would be allowed, and that the rules only prevent personal attacks. Do we catch every one? No, but it helps when people help the process by reporting posts.

For you to call into question my integrity and honesty, because I refuse to censor opinions that differ from your own, I find puzzling and disingenuous.

BG7, NUB, BTB, Nbpa and many others post volumes of opinions and copy and paste articles slamming Bush, McCain, Palin and many others, and I don't censor their posts. Yet, you claim that you are able to judge me because I don't censor the posts of the Right wing posters.

Wouldn't it be far more accurate and fair to judge me by what I post, rather than the fact that I don't censor material, so that the only posts left are in line with your beliefs?

[tnedator]

More idiotic straw man tactics, i.e., suggesting that only Obama supporters disapprove of Bush's job performance.

Again, the fallacy argument coming from you when you complete twist what I have said. I have never said that only Obama's supporters disapprove of Bush's performance. A large number of Republicans that will vote for McCain dissaprove of Bush's performance.

Maybe rather than focusing on simply repeating, "Straw man, your a straw man, see your a straw man" and such nonsense, you should actually read my posts.

Honesty and integrity, give it a shot, it won't hurt. I promise.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have never said that only Obama's supporters disapprove of Bush's performance.

:bs:

That's exactly what you implied.

When I criticized Bush's economic policies, you suggested that these criticims were nothing more than "Obama propaganda" - implying that only Obama supporters disapproved of said policies.

Honesty and integrity, give it a shot, it won't hurt. I promise.

:rofl:

This from a bullsh*t artist whose response, when caught in yet another straw man argument, is simply to backpedal.

You take hypocrisy to a whole new level.

[tnedator]

:bs:

That's exactly what you implied.

When I criticized Bush's economic policies, you suggested that these criticims were nothing more than "Obama propaganda" - implying that only Obama supporters disapproved of said policies.


No, I did not. Go get the quote.

H and I, my friend, H and I, it will do a heart good. :kiss:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No, I did not. Go get the quote.


Here it is:

First of all, John McCain isn't George Bush, but good job trumpeting Obama's campaign message that you have been brainwashed with

Second, it's politically convenient to blame all that is wrong with the economy on Bush, but not everyone buys the Obama propoganda.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2064952&postcount=328

You clearly imply that the only people who hold Bush accountable for his failed economic policies are people who "buy the Obama propaganda."

Thanks for playing. :D

[Bronco Bob]

More parroting of the obama's camp. Liberal, elite spin being parroted by followers all across the Internet. Weak minds, but devout following... ROFL!

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Spider]

Spider, whether you like it or not, I will not censor views on either side of the aisle. I looked at the first handful of posts in the Rushbo thread you spoke of. Do you honestly think I should censor the content on the forum and not allow someone to post quotes from Rush? ???

How about BG7 who you have defended that posts things about how our government blew up WTC #7 and possibly towers 1 and 2? Should I censor that?

Once I start censoring, where do I stop?

The rules were defined by the community. It was decided to have a P&R area and that all views would be allowed, and that the rules only prevent personal attacks. Do we catch every one? No, but it helps when people help the process by reporting posts.

For you to call into question my integrity and honesty, because I refuse to censor opinions that differ from your own, I find puzzling and disingenuous.

BG7, NUB, BTB, Nbpa and many others post volumes of opinions and copy and paste articles slamming Bush, McCain, Palin and many others, and I don't censor their posts. Yet, you claim that you are able to judge me because I don't censor the posts of the Right wing posters.

Wouldn't it be far more accurate and fair to judge me by what I post, rather than the fact that I don't censor material, so that the only posts left are in line with your beliefs?

LOL who in the hell said anything about censoring ?
Go ahead tell us all hereabout how Palin just made the greatest speech in decades ? :rofl:

[Spider]

Like I said T ned , no need to bull**** me ........

[tnedator]

LOL who in the hell said anything about censoring ?
Go ahead tell us all hereabout how Palin just made the greatest speech in decades ? :rofl:

I posted that HERE, yesterday. I am completely straight forward on my beliefs and opinions, but you are being unfair to judge me by what others post. You could just as easily label me a lefty wack job based on what you have posted there.

[tnedator]

Like I said T ned , no need to bull**** me ........

And as I said, I'm not. As to Palin, before calling me a hypocrite or whatever you were implying, maybe you should have done a search. I did tell all of you what I thought of Palin, including in this post on the Mane yesterday:

I posted this elsewhere, but I figured I would repost it here for LABS, Spider, the rabbit guy and others to use to flame me and other libs. ;)

Palin - One of the greatest Republican speeches in decades
<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Plain and simple, she nailed it. Yes, it was written by a speech writer, but just like EVERY other candidate/speaker, a speech writer takes the core message that the speaker wants to deliver and then crafts it. Just like with Obama's speech, McCain's speech, Hillary's speeches, etc.

For years now, the Republican party has been talking about how they don't have a candidate that can deliver a speech -- capture an audience. A candidate with true charisma. They would talk about the charisma that Bill Clinton and other Democrats had, and contrast it to the old, stogy and halting, often emotionless speeches that the Republican candidates have given for years.

Bush was able to overcome his lack of speech giving prowess by his ability to convey his faith, conviction and commitment to this nation. However, the Republican party has been devoid of the charismatic politicians that the Dems have been able to crank out.

Regardless of what happens in this race, I believe we will see Palin on the national stage for some time to come. If McCain/Palin doesn't win, and assuming none of the scandals turns out to be a deal breaker, I expect to see her making a presidential bid in four years. This is a person that manages to combine the core republican values with a charisma that is very un-Republican, but also just plain unusual. She comes across as a normal person, that can compete at the highest level. The girl next door, and the pit bull with lipstick (which by the way I think was an ad-libbed part of the speech. I would like to see a copy of the speech they handed out right before the speech to see if that joke was in the speech).

Did she read her speech? Of course, just like Obama read his in the greek palace last week. However, she 'delivered' the speech about as good as can possibly done. The poise and timing -- the facial expressions and body language -- the totality of the delivery was done in a way that few, if any Republican primary candidates in recent memory *maybe decades) have been able to pull off.

The key will be to see how she does on the TV circuit. In the interviews, which will often be with an interviewer with an adversarial bent to his/her questioning. Then, of course, will be the debate with Biden.

So, it is way to early to anoint her not only the VP elect, but also a front runner for the 2012 primary, BUT assuming she can maintain a fraction of her poise and delivery in the non-scripted environments, she will be a force to be dealt with, both in this election, and in the 2012 primary if they don't win in November.
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You keep spewing this nonsense about bull****ting you, but I have no clue what you are talking about. It would not be possible for anyone to be more straightforward and honest about one's views than I have been in my postings here.

[tnedator]

Here it is:



You clearly imply that the only people who hold Bush accountable for his failed economic policies are people who "buy the Obama propaganda."

Thanks for playing. :D

I implied no such thing. I stated a fact, not everyone buys Obama's propaganda.

Obama is running a campaign that is simple. George Bush got us into a war we should never have been in. George Bush wrecked the economy. John McCain is exactly like George Bush, so electing McCain is re-electing Bush for 4 more years.

This is campaign rhetoric and propaganda, which you parrot like a good follower. However, not everyone buys into that propaganda. If they did, then Obama would be leading by a hell of a lot more than 1-5 points, depending on the poll you look at. He is leading by fewer points than the difference between Dems and Reps in the country.

Doesn't mean it isn't true.

No, it doesn't mean it isn't true, in the exact same way that just because some people parrot everything BHO says, doesn't make it true.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I implied no such thing. I stated a fact, not everyone buys Obama's propaganda.

Still trying to wriggle out of your latest gaffe, eh? tsk tsk

You didn't simply state a fact, i.e., that not everyone buys Obama's "propaganda" - you implied with your original statement that anyone who views Bush's economic policy as a failure is merely buying into said "propaganda."

[Spider]

And as I said, I'm not. As to Palin, before calling me a hypocrite or whatever you were implying, maybe you should have done a search. I did tell all of you what I thought of Palin, including in this post on the Mane yesterday:



You keep spewing this nonsense about bull****ting you, but I have no clue what you are talking about. It would not be possible for anyone to be more straightforward and honest about one's views than I have been in my postings here.

Look I am not trying to be hard on you , but I know all to well if someone righty got on here and Said El Rushbo is the greatest thing since the ball point pen , you wouldnt utter a word , if A lib posted Olberman rocks , you come in and argue , now is that genuine ? honest ? It is ok if you are a righty , have righty views ,but that isnt objective ... perhaps you dont see it this way but I do , and before you go to far , I have argued with Dems on this board as well ..... In fact I think I have argued with everyone ;D

[tnedator]

Look I am not trying to be hard on you , but I know all to well if someone righty got on here and Said El Rushbo is the greatest thing since the ball point pen , you wouldnt utter a word , if A lib posted Olberman rocks , you come in and argue , now is that genuine ? honest ? It is ok if you are a righty , have righty views ,but that isnt objective ... perhaps you dont see it this way but I do , and before you go to far , I have argued with Dems on this board as well ..... In fact I think I have argued with everyone ;D

First, you do the exact same thing thing in regard to left/right personalities. I have posted critical things of Palin and McCain, have you done the same about Obama/Biden?

You say you 'know', but it has nothing to do with you knowing, it has to do with you slandering me because I am not censoring a forum to your standards --- because I don't read or respond 'to your standards' in every political thread.

In WPR, I have 4 active WPR threads that I am subscribed to and about 4 or so more, that have kind of died away. When I come here, I normally only check those subscribed threads, which is what I respond in.

As I have already said, and it is easy to document based on a quick search of my postings in P&R, I don't post much in there. With the DNC and RNC going on, I posted in a handful of threads in P&R, probably about the same number as here. Those were the only ones I read or posted in.

This week being a good example, I haven't had time to spend many hours at a time online (that thing called work getting in the way). So, when I get on for a few hours, like when watching the DNC/RNC, I simply try and keep up with the rapid fire posting in those 8 or so threads running on both MB's, along with some of the Broncos' threads.

For you to 'claim' to be able to stereotype me by what I DON'T post is assinine at best. Maybe you should people's actual posting record to judge them, rather than defining their record based on what posting a person DOESN'T do, but you think they do. That is the most backwards logic I can remember hearing in quite some time.

Also, for the record, I HAVE posted that I think the right-wing zealots, like Rush, Hannity, Regan and some others are no better than the left wing ones. I don't know what else you expect me to say. Search the forums for every place Rush is mentioned and say, "Rush is a Straw Man.. Rush is a Straw man..." I assume I am dealing with adults and that if I state that I think Rush is a right wing zealot, it very clearly states my opinion on the matter. Just like I think Olberman is a left wing zealot.

[tnedator]

Still trying to wriggle out of your latest gaffe, eh? tsk tsk

You didn't simply state a fact, i.e., that not everyone buys Obama's "propaganda" - you implied with your original statement that anyone who views Bush's economic policy as a failure is merely buying into said "propaganda."

LABS, I am not sure if you can't read simple English. Maybe you speak the Queen's English in LA. I have no idea. However, no matter how many tmes you state I "implied" something, it won't make it true.

[Spider]

First, you do the exact same thing thing in regard to left/right personalities. I have posted critical things of Palin and McCain, have you done the same about Obama/Biden?

You say you 'know', but it has nothing to do with you knowing, it has to do with you slandering me because I am not censoring a forum to your standards --- because I don't read or respond 'to your standards' in every political thread.

In WPR, I have 4 active WPR threads that I am subscribed to and about 4 or so more, that have kind of died away. When I come here, I normally only check those subscribed threads, which is what I respond in.

As I have already said, and it is easy to document based on a quick search of my postings in P&R, I don't post much in there. With the DNC and RNC going on, I posted in a handful of threads in P&R, probably about the same number as here. Those were the only ones I read or posted in.

This week being a good example, I haven't had time to spend many hours at a time online (that thing called work getting in the way). So, when I get on for a few hours, like when watching the DNC/RNC, I simply try and keep up with the rapid fire posting in those 8 or so threads running on both MB's, along with some of the Broncos' threads.

For you to 'claim' to be able to stereotype me by what I DON'T post is assinine at best. Maybe you should people's actual posting record to judge them, rather than defining their record based on what posting a person DOESN'T do, but you think they do. That is the most backwards logic I can remember hearing in quite some time.

Also, for the record, I HAVE posted that I think the right-wing zealots, like Rush, Hannity, Regan and some others are no better than the left wing ones. I don't know what else you expect me to say. Search the forums for every place Rush is mentioned and say, "Rush is a Straw Man.. Rush is a Straw man..." I assume I am dealing with adults and that if I state that I think Rush is a right wing zealot, it very clearly states my opinion on the matter. Just like I think Olberman is a left wing zealot.
Um yes I have , in fact I was liking Ron Paul until the ron Paul letters came out .......The Main difference is , I am not here telling everyone I am openminded , i was supporting Bush until Iraq , but even with that , people know where I stand , they know Iam not openminded , I am right out front with where my bias is , in fact a until a few weeks ago I got a few PM's asking me if I will support Obama , now you can claim to get on and say this and that about righties , but I have yet to see you engage a rightie here .....
One thing you will learn Tned is once my mind is made up it takes alot to change it ,Once I learned Ron Paul was a racist , nothing anyone said changed my mind ...... actions speak louder then words , in this case it is what you didnt do that speaks volumes ....
And no this has nothing to do with me getting banned from your board ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABS, I am not sure if you can't read simple English. Maybe you speak the Queen's English in LA. I have no idea. However, no matter how many tmes you state I "implied" something, it won't make it true.

Your original statement is quoted above for all to see.

That you would actually try to deny it is hilarious. ROFL!

[tnedator]

Um yes I have , in fact I was liking Ron Paul until the ron Paul letters came out .......The Main difference is , I am not here telling everyone I am openminded , i was supporting Bush until Iraq , but even with that , people know where I stand , they know Iam not openminded , I am right out front with where my bias is , in fact a until a few weeks ago I got a few PM's asking me if I will support Obama , now you can claim to get on and say this and that about righties , but I have yet to see you engage a rightie here .....


Well, since I have been on here, nearly all the attacks and slander have come from the left. I have disagreed with righties on BF, and here I have posted negative stuff about the GOP candidates.

I don't go around babbling about McCain and Palin wiping the floor with Biden and Obama in the debates or other garbage, I try and give an honest analysis of where the individual candidates could perform well or fall on their face.


One thing you will learn Tned is once my mind is made up it takes alot to change it ,Once I learned Ron Paul was a racist , nothing anyone said changed my mind ...... actions speak louder then words ,

That is clear, but maybe you should actually give a person a chance to create a record of posts, before you pigeon hole them in a stereo type.

in this case it is what you didnt do that speaks volumes ....


That is COMPLETE BS. No you are bull****ting me. You can't judge someone from what they don't do. You attack me for not doing something about the Rushbo thread, when I never even read it. I don't read 90%+ of the P&R threads, and probably about the same number here. To stereotype me and try and slander me with your insinuations of me being two faced, because of what I don't do is ridiculous.

[tnedator]

Your original statement is quoted above for all to see.

That you would actually try to deny it is hilarious. ROFL!

No, that you claim to be able to read my mind on 'intent or implication' is hilarious. "Straw man, straw man.. uhh, ohh, straw man... STRAW MAN..."

Grow up and debate, don't just keep repeating the same old ****, that you weren't capable of proving the first time.

If you want to harp on it, PROVE it, don't just keep repeating yourself it is just pathetic and I get embarrassed for you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No, that you claim to be able to read my mind on 'intent or implication' is hilarious. "Straw man, straw man.. uhh, ohh, straw man... STRAW MAN..."

Grow up and debate, don't just keep repeating the same old ****, that you weren't capable of proving the first time.

If you want to harp on it, PROVE it, don't just keep repeating yourself it is just pathetic and I get embarrassed for you.

No mind reading required - the message in your original post was perfectly clear.

In any event, watching you thrash about here in a frenzy of "I am rubber - you are glue" responses makes for some good comedy. Ha!

[baja]

I would have never imagined voting for McCain, but watching these "change" agents smear this woman and drag her family into their smears is troubling for me. The more negative these "change" agents go, the more inclined I find myself to spite them with my vote.

That makes my top five dumb comments list.

[Bronco X]

If anything Palin has gotten off easy. She is not being challenged by the media for the attempts by the McCain-Palin campaign to stall the troopergate investigation. BTW the latest on the story: A witness flipped her story when subpoenaed regarding Palin trying to deny trooper Wooten (her ex brother in law) workman's comp benefits.
http://www.pubrecord.org/component/content/359.html?task=view
She should also have to answer for the fact that the police department of the town of Wasilla when she was mayor charged woman alleging sexual assault for their rape examinations, which collects forensic evidence needed to prosecute.

Sarah Palin is lucky she's only getting blasted for fumbling interviews.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If anything Palin has gotten off easy. She is not being challenged by the media for the attempts by the McCain-Palin campaign to stall the troopergate investigation. BTW the latest on the story: A witness flipped her story when subpoenaed regarding Palin trying to deny trooper Wooten (her ex brother in law) workman's comp benefits.
http://www.pubrecord.org/component/content/359.html?task=view
She should also have to answer for the fact that the police department of the town of Wasilla when she was mayor charged woman alleging sexual assault for their rape examinations, which collects forensic evidence needed to prosecute.

Sarah Palin is lucky she's only getting blasted for fumbling interviews.

Yep.

The spotlight on her bumbling in interviews takes the focus off the really sleazy sh*t she's involved with.

She's getting the same free ride her boss has received from the same special interests for decades now.

http://minnesotamonitor.com/upload/freeride.jpg

[TailgateNut]

Good/ sound reasonning for casting a vote: Well they are picking on her, so she obviously is a good candidate.:spit:

[barryr]

Much of Congress voted with Bush a high percentage of times, so I don't see what any of that proves and I'm no fan of McCain either. In fact, I may do a write in this year, though not sure even who yet.

[gyldenlove]

I don't condone political slander and the personal attack ads that have become so prominent in the political environment in the States today. As such it doesn't matter if Palin has a pregnant teenage daughter or if Obamas middle name is Hussein. Those facts have nothing to do with their ability to run the country.

However, there are cases where such facts do become important. When a person line Palin states as openly and brash as she has that she is against all forms of sexual education and that premarital sex should not occur, then it is a problem for her when her OWN underage daughter is pregnant out of wedlock.

There has definitely been too much mudslinging going on and too many personal attacks launched in this election and it is unfortunate that the American population responds to that kind of tactic because it takes away the focus from finding the best candidate from the job and instead tries to find the person who is least likely to be portrayed as wanting to club seals to death or run over homeless people in their SUV.

If democracy actually worked in the States and people actually voted and tried to learn about the issues and differences between the candidates suggested politics these attacks wouldn't happen, but unfortunately elections in the States are all about the lowest common denominator and nothing about issues and policy.

[NodJello]

I keep reading quote about how Obama says "family is off limits" and I don't deny that he said it...but some of you, I gather, from reading other posts are huge conspiracy theorists...so I ask you -
when running for office is it that far-fetched or surprising that they have others do their dirty-work and then condemn the dirty work so as to appear above the fray? I just remember before I even read about Palin's daughter being pregnant I read about Obama condeming family attacks. It was a pretty quick response. As a handler - wouldn't you want your guy to come out smelling like a rose? Wouldn't the smartest PR move to be to let someone else come out against your enemy and then express disdain? Didn't Bush do the same thing with the Swift Boat deal?

Listen, I don't really like McCain but the altruism that gets ascribed to Obama is plain stupid. Be honest - normal people don't want these jobs, power hungry people do and power hungry people are not above these kinds of tactics. Go watch "Wag the Dog".

[SJ Bronco]

Look I am not trying to be hard on you , but I know all to well if someone righty got on here and Said El Rushbo is the greatest thing since the ball point pen , you wouldnt utter a word , if A lib posted Olberman rocks , you come in and argue , now is that genuine ? honest ? It is ok if you are a righty , have righty views ,but that isnt objective ... perhaps you dont see it this way but I do , and before you go to far , I have argued with Dems on this board as well ..... In fact I think I have argued with everyone ;D

not true, but i can fit you in monday at 9 am!:D

[TailgateNut]

, I have argued with Dems on this board as well ..... In fact I think I have argued with everyone ;D

You haven't argued with me, and if you punch me in the throat, you'll just piss me off!;D