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Play2win
08-28-2008, 08:47 PM
WE'VE HAD ENOUGH!!!!
8 = ENOUGH
that is all.
Rigs11
08-28-2008, 09:02 PM
"John McCain likes to say that he'll follow bin Laden to the Gates of Hell - but he won't even go to the cave where he lives. "
"Because one of the things that we have to change in our politics is the idea that people cannot disagree without challenging each other's character and patriotism."
"Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush has been right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change."
PaintballCLE
08-28-2008, 09:09 PM
dude do all you dems miss the point? We have had enough too.......we all agree bush isn't the best pres by far........but your right 8 is enough......enough of someone who has no qualified experience (Bush, Obama) Enough of someone who knows little about the economy (bush, obama) Bush bankrupted the texas rangers, Obama took one of the biggest cities in america as mayor and gave them their first ever yearly deficit.....DOH What did Bush accomplish as president.....not much.........what did obama accomplish as senator.....nothing. This election is about change......its about time we had someone in there who knows WTF they are doing!
MCCAIN 08
(Sure he has a short temper but thats what he need.......someone who will not just sit there and do nothing)
The funniest thing about the dems/obama is how they are all for taxing the higher incomes..........well i got a news flash for you......99.999999999999 percent of the businesses/people you work for are included in that. If they start taxing them more, guess what.........lower wages/less jobs for you......lets face it they aren't going to lose money......so if they start getting more moeny taken from you.........the less you will make. They will start laying off people, moving jobs overseas, ect...
Look at it this way.......a buisness making 1,000,000 a year in profits now gets taxed an extra 150,000. Do you think they will say "oh well, i guess we will only make 850,000 this year? NO they will lay off 3 people making 50K a year.
Its kind of like the stupid minimum wage increases..........those are the WORST thing for the economy. Lets say a 6 back of budweiser costs $5 when minimum wage is 5.00 an hour. They raise minimum wage to $7.00 an hour. This costs budweiser more money, so now they raise the price of Bud to $7.00 a 6 pack. Who wins? Who loses? The winner: The us government........higher wages means more taxes. The losers: Everyone! People making minimum wage still can only buy the same number of things because the price of producing them just went up too. A person making 20.00 an hour loses too because now instead of spending $5 for a 6 pack, they are now spending $7 making them worse off than they were before. Bud is still making the same amount because they raised the prices to offset the prices of the increase in wages.
frerottenextelway
08-28-2008, 09:19 PM
dude do all you dems miss the point? We have had enough too.......we all agree bush isn't the best pres by far........but your right 8 is enough......enough of someone who has no qualified experience (Bush, Obama) Enough of someone who knows little about the economy (bush, obama) Bush bankrupted the texas rangers, Obama took one of the biggest cities in america as mayor and gave them their first ever yearly deficit.....DOH What did Bush accomplish as president.....not much.........what did obama accomplish as senator.....nothing. This election is about change......its about time we had someone in there who knows WTF they are doing!
MCCAIN 08
(Sure he has a short temper but thats what he need.......someone who will not just sit there and do nothing)
The funniest thing about the dems/obama is how they are all for taxing the higher incomes..........well i got a news flash for you......99.999999999999 percent of the businesses/people you work for are included in that. If they start taxing them more, guess what.........lower wages/less jobs for you......lets face it they aren't going to lose money......so if they start getting more moeny taken from you.........the less you will make. They will start laying off people, moving jobs overseas, ect...
Look at it this way.......a buisness making 1,000,000 a year in profits now gets taxed an extra 150,000. Do you think they will say "oh well, i guess we will only make 850,000 this year? NO they will lay off 3 people making 50K a year.
Its kind of like the stupid minimum wage increases..........those are the WORST thing for the economy. Lets say a 6 back of budweiser costs $5 when minimum wage is 5.00 an hour. They raise minimum wage to $7.00 an hour. This costs budweiser more money, so now they raise the price of Bud to $7.00 a 6 pack. Who wins? Who loses? The winner: The us government........higher wages means more taxes. The losers: Everyone! People making minimum wage still can only buy the same number of things because the price of producing them just went up too. A person making 20.00 an hour loses too because now instead of spending $5 for a 6 pack, they are now spending $7 making them worse off than they were before. Bud is still making the same amount because they raised the prices to offset the prices of the increase in wages.
That's what the nutjobs said about the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.
Trickle down economy doesn't work - trickle up works. If the poor man can purchase the rich man's product, then the poor man will buy it - which economically boosts the poor man and the rich man.
theAPAOps5
08-28-2008, 09:19 PM
McCain fans are stressing. Obama set the stage McCain has a tough road now.
PaintballCLE
08-28-2008, 09:22 PM
That's what the nutjobs said about the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.
Trickle down economy doesn't work - trickle up works. If the poor man can purchase the rich man's product, then the poor man will buy it - which economically boosts the poor man and the rich man.
WRONG........the poor man cant buy they rich mans product because now the rich man is charging more because he has to pay more to produce it.
frerottenextelway
08-28-2008, 09:25 PM
WRONG........the poor man cant buy they rich mans product because now the rich man is charging more because he has to pay more to produce it.
WRONG? This isn't subjective - this happened in the 90's.
Rigs11
08-28-2008, 09:26 PM
dude do all you dems miss the point? We have had enough too.......we all agree bush isn't the best pres by far........but your right 8 is enough......enough of someone who has no qualified experience (Bush, Obama) Enough of someone who knows little about the economy (bush, obama) Bush bankrupted the texas rangers, Obama took one of the biggest cities in america as mayor and gave them their first ever yearly deficit.....DOH What did Bush accomplish as president.....not much.........what did obama accomplish as senator.....nothing. This election is about change......its about time we had someone in there who knows WTF they are doing!
MCCAIN 08
(Sure he has a short temper but thats what he need.......someone who will not just sit there and do nothing)
The funniest thing about the dems/obama is how they are all for taxing the higher incomes..........well i got a news flash for you......99.999999999999 percent of the businesses/people you work for are included in that. If they start taxing them more, guess what.........lower wages/less jobs for you......lets face it they aren't going to lose money......so if they start getting more moeny taken from you.........the less you will make. They will start laying off people, moving jobs overseas, ect...
Look at it this way.......a buisness making 1,000,000 a year in profits now gets taxed an extra 150,000. Do you think they will say "oh well, i guess we will only make 850,000 this year? NO they will lay off 3 people making 50K a year.
Its kind of like the stupid minimum wage increases..........those are the WORST thing for the economy. Lets say a 6 back of budweiser costs $5 when minimum wage is 5.00 an hour. They raise minimum wage to $7.00 an hour. This costs budweiser more money, so now they raise the price of Bud to $7.00 a 6 pack. Who wins? Who loses? The winner: The us government........higher wages means more taxes. The losers: Everyone! People making minimum wage still can only buy the same number of things because the price of producing them just went up too. A person making 20.00 an hour loses too because now instead of spending $5 for a 6 pack, they are now spending $7 making them worse off than they were before. Bud is still making the same amount because they raised the prices to offset the prices of the increase in wages.
That's exactly what you fail to see. Mccane has voted with bush 90% of the time, his economic plan is the same as bush's tax wise. Same policies,same tought talk, same temper.
Now if a company get taxed more, and they raise their prices, the majority of the population will have more money in their hands due to tax cuts. They might have to pay more for a given product, but at least they have the choice on what to spend their money on.The trickle down economics that obama spoke of where the rich get tax breaks and that money trickles down does not work. Many of the companies that get massive tax breaks now still ship their jobs overseas. Greed! Obama will reward companies that keep their jobs here.
kappys
08-28-2008, 09:27 PM
WRONG........the poor man cant buy they rich mans product because now the rich man is charging more because he has to pay more to produce it.
By following this logic now the rich man has no one to sell his product too right? SO the whole economy goes down hill.
How about this scenario - the government subsidizes the rich, allows them to make risky investments, gives them huge tax breaks, and if things don't work out forces the tax payers to bail them out. Now that the rich are satisfied everyone else can supplicate themselves before them in the meek hope of getting a job that pays enough to but the rich man's food.
frerottenextelway
08-28-2008, 09:28 PM
WRONG? This isn't subjective - this happened in the 90's.
I'd also like to point a thing called Capitalism keeps companies with a true free market from gauging the customer.
Trickle down economy doesn't work - trickle up works. If the poor man can purchase the rich man's product, then the poor man will buy it - which economically boosts the poor man and the rich man.
So let's set the minimum wage to $100/hour. That will make millions of folks rich!
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-28-2008, 09:57 PM
.....enough of someone who has no qualified experience (Bush, Obama)
Yawn.
As Bill Clinton mentioned last night, the repukes said the same thing about him in '92.
Ya know LABF, that stiffy you have for Clinton is long past priapism. The gangrene has infected your brain.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-28-2008, 11:06 PM
W*GS has such a hard-on (the Ken Starr kind) for Clinton that any attempt to give Clinton credit for anything good sets him frothing at the pie hole and sends him into full-on personal attack mode.
Amazing how Clinton still has the power to make W*GS dance like a trained monkey after all these years.
:D
As expected, any opinion of Clinton other than orgasmic worship gets LABF's anus all puckered...
It's still a puzzle why a hard-lefty like LABF gets all aroused by a Republican-lite.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-29-2008, 07:01 AM
The only "puzzle" is why reality so seldom squares with W*GS' perceptions and his claims.
Snort. This from the guy who thinks Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon and the WTC was destroyed by preplanted explosives.
So let's set the minimum wage to $100/hour. That will make millions of folks rich!
Come on, you're smarter than that.
W*GS, you can understand this, I know you can. I'm sure you see it whenever you look at the real meat of our economy.
Trickle down worked 30 years ago when we reduced the tax burden on the wealthy from 50-60% down to 40%. But since then its only gotten lower and lower and the rich 2% have stopped reinvesting and started gouging and outsourcing.
Its time for trickle up. Its time for a new wave of industry and a redefining of the tax codes based on free market principles, incentivizing companies who keep work here and produce the next wave of green technology, but at the same time protect the American people from market manipulations and gaming of the system.
Obama's economic policies are written by economists, and even your favored publication The Economist has said what I'm saying now. McCain's is written by lobbyists and has no real meat behind the sizzle.
This isn't a hard choice. We can either take it on the chin for another 4 years under the guise of playing it safe or we can take a chance on someone who actually wants to improve and revitalize this country.
It can't get much worse than where we're heading now, but what Obama promises is a whole lot better.
Those who believe what a politician promises deserve what they get - good and hard.
ScottXray
08-29-2008, 08:50 AM
Wags, from all your posts , i for the life of me can't figure out what you are FOR.
Every post is a continuous rant against something, someone or some institution.
I'm not trying to attack you, but am honestly curious.
Is there anything about our society that you Like and would not change?
I like the idea underlying the Constitution that we are all sufficiently responsible adults that we can get along without the government watching over us like a nanny.
It's unfortunate that so few of my fellow Americans feel the same way.
Those who believe what a politician promises deserve what they get - good and hard.
What does that matter if both are equally likely to lie? We're back in the same boat as if what they said was 100% truth. You pick the candidate who's message sounds best and hope he's less a pile of **** than the others, simple as that.
I'd think a constitutionalist would be all in favor of a civil rights lawyer who's spent the last few years teaching the constitution, and has always voted for state's rights and individual's civil rights. If nothing else you know he'll appoint supreme court judges with strong constitutional law credentials.
McCain fans are stressing. Obama set the stage McCain has a tough road now.
Ain't that the truth!!!1
Obama's acceptance speech was one of the best political speeches I have ever heard and I have listened to a lot of them.
Obama laid out his plan and laid out a way to pay for it. He is very intelligent and the best part is he does inspire hope in a very disenfranchised nation of voters.
Wags, from all your posts , i for the life of me can't figure out what you are FOR.
Every post is a continuous rant against something, someone or some institution.
I'm not trying to attack you, but am honestly curious.
Is there anything about our society that you Like and would not change?
He likes the unpredictability of the weather.
Bronco Bob
08-29-2008, 05:23 PM
I like the idea underlying the Constitution that we are all sufficiently responsible adults that we can get along without the government watching over us like a nanny.
It's unfortunate that so few of my fellow Americans feel the same way.
Welcome to the real world of people like Ken Lay and Charles Keating.
The folks that ran Enron and Countrywide Home Loans.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-29-2008, 07:13 PM
Wags, from all your posts , i for the life of me can't figure out what you are FOR.
Every post is a continuous rant against something, someone or some institution.
I'm not trying to attack you, but am honestly curious.
Is there anything about our society that you Like and would not change?
Don't let W*GS bullsh*t you into believing he is some sort of unbiased "equal opportunity hater" where politicians are concerned.
He has spent much of his time on this forum covering Bush's flank (until it became no longer fashionable) by diverting every discussion of Bush's policies (or the latest GOP scandal) to an attack on Clinton or some other Democrat.
What does that matter if both are equally likely to lie? We're back in the same boat as if what they said was 100% truth. You pick the candidate who's message sounds best and hope he's less a pile of **** than the others, simple as that.
Problem is, a smaller pile of **** is still a pile of ****.
At least I don't eat it up like some around here.
I'd think a constitutionalist would be all in favor of a civil rights lawyer who's spent the last few years teaching the constitution, and has always voted for state's rights and individual's civil rights. If nothing else you know he'll appoint supreme court judges with strong constitutional law credentials.
I rather doubt that. Obama will likely appoint to the SCOTUS judges that see penumbras and who view the RKBA as a collective "right", neither of which are Constitutional positions.
Welcome to the real world of people like Ken Lay and Charles Keating. The folks that ran Enron and Countrywide Home Loans.
It's precisely because the government manipulates markets that criminals like Lay and Keating can exist.
Don't let W*GS bullsh*t you into believing he is some sort of unbiased "equal opportunity hater" where politicians are concerned.
You feel that way only because you dream of being Monica's mouth.
He has spent much of his time on this forum covering Bush's flank (until it became no longer fashionable) by diverting every discussion of Bush's policies (or the latest GOP scandal) to an attack on Clinton or some other Democrat.
Your endless repetition of the same lie is getting tiresome.
Get a new act, ya ****ing asshole.