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Garcia Bronco
08-27-2008, 09:34 AM
Has anyone checked out Cutler Stats compared to other starting QB's through the pre-season?
Completions - 6th
Completion Percentage - 1st
Yards - 5th
TD's - 2nd
Int's - tied for 1st with zero
1st downs - 3rd
1st down percentage - 1st
QB rating - 2nd 117.6
Among starting QB's he looks great on paper. We are missing a few starting Qb's and it's only preseason, but it still gets me excited.
TheReverend
08-27-2008, 09:38 AM
I'm fully aroused.
Los Broncos
08-27-2008, 09:39 AM
Thats pretty good news.
TheReverend
08-27-2008, 09:42 AM
I'm fully aroused.
Thats pretty good news.
Pervert
55CrushEm
08-27-2008, 09:44 AM
Has anyone checked out Cutler Stats compared to other starting QB's through the pre-season?
Completions - 6th
Completion Percentage - 1st
Yards - 5th
TD's - 2nd
Int's - tied for 1st with zero
1st downs - 3rd
1st down percentage - 1st
QB rating - 2nd 117.6
Among start QB's he looks great on paper. We are missing a few starting Qb's and it's only preseason, but it still gets me excited.
That's great news......amazing how the only QBs you hear about on ESPN are Favre, Brady, Manning, Favre, Favre, and Favre.....
jhat01
08-27-2008, 09:45 AM
That's great news......amazing how the only QBs you hear about on ESPN are Favre, Brady, Manning, Favre, Favre, and Favre.....
Can't forget about Favre though, oh and Farve too.
Garcia Bronco
08-27-2008, 09:47 AM
Consider this to. The areas where he's 1st are compared to all QB's includng the 2nd and 3rd stringers. But I think that all comes out in a wash.
crowebomber
08-27-2008, 09:54 AM
To me, more importantly than the preseason stats is that he's got this air of confidence about him. He's stepped into that leadership role, and he doesn't seem intimidated any more by his opposition or the situation.
He knows he has the ability to beat anyone and any team, and I'm starting to get that feeling of total trust that he can put the team on his shoulders to get them to the endzone or pull out a win. I haven't felt like that since 7.
Hamrob
08-27-2008, 09:56 AM
For Cutler...what it boils down to...is can he find a way to win the close games and not lose them. Some QB's with alot of talent find ways to lose close games...i.e. interceptions etc. Other's, are good game managers who won't lose the game, but they don't have that ability to win a game on their own or to take over a game.
What is Cutler? So far, we really don't know. What we do know is that he's talented, he can make all the throws and he will compete. But is he that guy, who can take over a game? In order to be mentioned with the Brady's, the Mannings etc. or even the Romo's, the Rothisbergers etc. he needs to prove he can do that and have people start to expect it from him.
Otherwise, despite the stats, he'll only be considered an average QB at best.
Not to be doom and gloom...I'm only stating the obvious...but sometimes we as fans overlook those things.
I think he has it in him...but I haven't seen him take the ball 80 yds against a tough defense when the game is on the line.
BlaK-Argentina
08-27-2008, 10:02 AM
I think he has it in him...but I haven't seen him take the ball 80 yds against a tough defense when the game is on the line.
The SF game two years ago to tie it up? Hell even the 99 yd drive against CIN that year.
Buffalo last year?
Kaylore
08-27-2008, 10:08 AM
For Cutler...what it boils down to...is can he find a way to win the close games and not lose them.
:spit: Yeah he has more fourth quarter come backs in as many starts than Elway did. In fact Cutler is already one of the better QB's when playing from behind in the fourth quarter. He's already proved he can do it.
jonny1
08-27-2008, 10:10 AM
I don't know where to look it up, but I recall that Jay HAS taken the team down the field a number of times (Green Bay last year to tie the game and take it to overtime comes to mind). It's not his fault that the defense has let the other team win after he got the scores.
Time will tell, but I think he has shown the leadership and ability to do that when the chips are down.
cmhargrove
08-27-2008, 10:10 AM
For Cutler...what it boils down to...is can he find a way to win the close games and not lose them. Some QB's with alot of talent find ways to lose close games...i.e. interceptions etc. Other's, are good game managers who won't lose the game, but they don't have that ability to win a game on their own or to take over a game.
What is Cutler? So far, we really don't know. What we do know is that he's talented, he can make all the throws and he will compete. But is he that guy, who can take over a game? In order to be mentioned with the Brady's, the Mannings etc. or even the Romo's, the Rothisbergers etc. he needs to prove he can do that and have people start to expect it from him.
Otherwise, despite the stats, he'll only be considered an average QB at best.
Not to be doom and gloom...I'm only stating the obvious...but sometimes we as fans overlook those things.
I think he has it in him...but I haven't seen him take the ball 80 yds against a tough defense when the game is on the line.
It's also keeping our starting receivers healthy.
Look at Carson Palmer last week. While he was waiting for his second stringers to get open, he got the **** beat out of him.
I also like the fact that Cutler has worked a lot on his short game (almost the whole Houston game was practicing his short delivery). This bodes well for extending drives and eventually scoring.
Which brings up another point. All last year in goal line situations, we were screaming for passes to Scheffler and Marshall. Now, it looks like they trust Jay at the goal line as much as the running game. Put Hillis in there (running or catching), and we have another weapon. I think we will be much better in the red zone this year.
rovolution
08-27-2008, 10:15 AM
For Cutler...what it boils down to...is can he find a way to win the close games and not lose them. Some QB's with alot of talent find ways to lose close games...i.e. interceptions etc. Other's, are good game managers who won't lose the game, but they don't have that ability to win a game on their own or to take over a game.
What is Cutler? So far, we really don't know. What we do know is that he's talented, he can make all the throws and he will compete. But is he that guy, who can take over a game? In order to be mentioned with the Brady's, the Mannings etc. or even the Romo's, the Rothisbergers etc. he needs to prove he can do that and have people start to expect it from him.
Otherwise, despite the stats, he'll only be considered an average QB at best.
Not to be doom and gloom...I'm only stating the obvious...but sometimes we as fans overlook those things.
I think he has it in him...but I haven't seen him take the ball 80 yds against a tough defense when the game is on the line.
how many OM accounts do you need Alec?
FantomForce
08-27-2008, 10:24 AM
The SF game two years ago to tie it up? Hell even the 99 yd drive against CIN that year.
Buffalo last year?
Exactly!!!
Garcia Bronco
08-27-2008, 10:28 AM
The SF game two years ago to tie it up? Hell even the 99 yd drive against CIN that year.
Buffalo last year?
How about the 16 play 98 yard drive last week.
Kaylore
08-27-2008, 10:30 AM
How about the 16 play 98 yard drive last week.
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broncofan7
08-27-2008, 10:32 AM
I am excited as well--although others on this board were not too impressed with PRESEASON stats when the argument that DeSean Jackson has performed better than Eddie Royal was made based upon those same preseason stats......but I digress. Cutler, if healthy, will throw for 4000 yards and 30 + TDs
SleepingTiger
08-27-2008, 10:36 AM
Pervert
LOL
Garcia Bronco
08-27-2008, 10:44 AM
I am excited as well--although others on this board were not too impressed with PRESEASON stats when the argument that DeSean Jackson has performed better than Eddie Royal was made based upon those same preseason stats......but I digress. Cutler, if healthy, will throw for 4000 yards and 30 + TDs
Jackson can't hold a candle to Royal on many levels. I mean for one: Jackson isn't even a Hokie.
Rock Chalk
08-27-2008, 11:19 AM
how many OM accounts do you need Alec?
Three or four for when I get banned but they keep getting deleted.
This however, is not one of my accounts.
Hamrob
08-27-2008, 11:21 AM
So far, Cutler is 2-3 & 7-9, until he can prove he can win games, he won't be considered a winner.
I take a look at this years team talent wise and I recall the teams that Elway had surrounding him. I think we have alot better talent surrounding Jay then we did John. So why do so many posters on this board think we're going to have a mediocre year. Elway took us to a Super Bowl in his 3rd year.
As far as the example everyone has given...yeah he did show some signs, but nothing like that Baltimore game that Elway won in the beginning of his career. Down by 3 scores in the 4th qtr. and he found a way to win the game. That's what I'm talking about.
I believe that guys like Brady, Manning, Favre...who are future hall of famers had similar games early in their career. I don't believe Jay has had one of those games yet. Hopefully, we see it this year.
Look, I'm a huge Jay Cutler fan, but I wouldn't be very realistic if I didn't comment on the concerns that are out there. That's what the national media is waiting to see...IMO.
Hamrob
08-27-2008, 11:23 AM
How about the 16 play 98 yard drive last week.How about the preseason, vanillia defense, and the game didn't count?
Hamrob
08-27-2008, 11:24 AM
It's also keeping our starting receivers healthy.
Look at Carson Palmer last week. While he was waiting for his second stringers to get open, he got the **** beat out of him.
I also like the fact that Cutler has worked a lot on his short game (almost the whole Houston game was practicing his short delivery). This bodes well for extending drives and eventually scoring.
Which brings up another point. All last year in goal line situations, we were screaming for passes to Scheffler and Marshall. Now, it looks like they trust Jay at the goal line as much as the running game. Put Hillis in there (running or catching), and we have another weapon. I think we will be much better in the red zone this year.I agree. I really like Hillis and the more outlets that the team can provide for Jay...the better off we will be.
Garcia Bronco
08-27-2008, 11:36 AM
How about the preseason, vanillia defense, and the game didn't count?
I mean you can look at it that way, But that's not the entire story. They still had to execute and make plays and get the first downs and the other team was still trying to physically stop them
cutlerfan
08-27-2008, 11:39 AM
The SF game two years ago to tie it up? Hell even the 99 yd drive against CIN that year.
Buffalo last year?
Right on:afro:
cutlerfan
08-27-2008, 11:42 AM
How about the preseason, vanillia defense, and the game didn't count?
Was the San Fran Game, Cinci Game, and Buffalo games Vanilla and preseason too?
He has already been showing it! The only reason we were bad last year is Defense. Dang!
Always critics! Hamrob get out there and sling the ball around!
Inkana7
08-27-2008, 11:44 AM
He had a game winning drive against Pittsburgh as well.
cutlerfan
08-27-2008, 11:46 AM
He had a game winning drive against Pittsburgh as well.
True Dat! Thanks ^5
jsco70
08-27-2008, 11:46 AM
Cutler's preseason stats back up what many of us already know. He's one hell of a QB and is poised to have a great season.
DarkHorse30
08-27-2008, 11:55 AM
How about the preseason, vanillia defense, and the game didn't count?
If the preseason performances "don't count", how is it that Leinart gets benched when he sucked in his last game against Oakland?
Like it or not, the pre-season games are necessary to SEE how players PERFORM before the season starts. If you are going to say that good performance "doesn't count", than you have to agree that bad performances doesn't either (blaming it on "no game plan", starters sitting out, etc.) . You can't have it both ways.
Beantown Bronco
08-27-2008, 11:57 AM
nothing like that Baltimore game that Elway won in the beginning of his career. Down by 3 scores in the 4th qtr. and he found a way to win the game. That's what I'm talking about.
I believe that guys like Brady, Manning, Favre...who are future hall of famers had similar games early in their career. I don't believe Jay has had one of those games yet. Hopefully, we see it this year.
I can say with a great deal of certainty that Brady never had a game like that early in his career. One score? Sure, pretty much every decent QB could be expected to do that.....but three scores? I'd be hard pressed to name even one game where Brady has done that his entire career.....and I'm at ground zero of Brady Nation here.
And Manning certainly didn't do it early on in his career either, given the fact that he only won 3 games his entire rookie season; and in his second season, the team all of a sudden went on a tear with a 13-3 record and never found themselves losing a game that badly in the 4th quarter.
Rock Chalk
08-27-2008, 12:01 PM
Manning did have one awesome comeback against I believe Tampa where they were down 3 scores but I believe that wasnt until his 5th or 6th year that happened. Certainly not the beginning of his career.
snowspot66
08-27-2008, 12:19 PM
Elway is the only QB I know of that ever constantly came back from ridiculous odds. So far I like what I see in Cutler. Every game we needed a comeback drive he got the offense moving and gave us a chance (and often scored). If we failed it was often because others didn't execute. I can't remember any end of game drives that failed because of Cutler. Somebody still has to catch the ball.
BlaK-Argentina
08-27-2008, 12:33 PM
Manning did have one awesome comeback against I believe Tampa where they were down 3 scores but I believe that wasnt until his 5th or 6th year that happened. Certainly not the beginning of his career.
Yep, they were down by 21 with 5 minutes left. That was a great game. I think it was in 2003.
cutlerfan
08-27-2008, 12:35 PM
So far I like what I see in Cutler. Every game we needed a comeback drive he got the offense moving and gave us a chance (and often scored). If we failed it was often because others didn't execute. I can't remember any end of game drives that failed because of Cutler. Somebody still has to catch the ball.
Oh yeah! You speak the truth!
Fedaykin
08-27-2008, 12:39 PM
So far, Cutler is 2-3 & 7-9, until he can prove he can win games, he won't be considered a winner.
I take a look at this years team talent wise and I recall the teams that Elway had surrounding him. I think we have alot better talent surrounding Jay then we did John. So why do so many posters on this board think we're going to have a mediocre year. Elway took us to a Super Bowl in his 3rd year.
I think it's true to say Jay has more offensive talent right now, but I don't ever recall Elway playing with a defense that was as pathetic as last year. And not just for allowing scores, but for being entirely unable to get off the field. What did JAX has last year, a single drive that lasted 20 minutes? A lot of that comes down to the piss poor run defense which allows teams to grind away time at will.
The offense can't score if they don't have the ball.
Hamrob
08-27-2008, 12:52 PM
O.K., so he has showed signs and yes he is on track to be "that" guy. He still has alot of questions that need to be answered. Is he a winner? Can he get his team into the playoffs. Can he win when he get's there and will he win Super Bowl rings? Big questions in deed. I think all of us think he can do that...but let's be honest, we need to see it...this year!
Here's a nice article on our boy Cutler:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/30366-jay-cutler-the-next-great-nfl-quarterback
Jay Cutler: The Next Great NFL Quarterback
Is Jay Cutler the next great quarterback? Nick Ruland thinks so, and he's not alone.
by Nick Ruland (Contributor)
24 1053 reads
Editorial
June 18, 2008
Share this StoryYahoo! BuzzDigg Facebook StumbleUpon Print Email There won't be any cheesy lines about sugar (diabetes) or body building (see YouTube).
I'm here to tell you that Jay Cutler is going to be the next great quarterback. But don't just take my word for it.
ESPN did a piece about six months ago where they contacted some of the league's directors of personnel, general managers, and scouts. Cutler was the only player considered special in the up-coming crop of quarterbacks.
Mike Martz is on record of saying Jay Cutler has a chance to be better than Peyton Manning.
So, why doesn't he get the hype? Well, let's face it; Denver is not a major market. You could certainly counter and say that neither are Phoenix or Tennessee. But we both know the kind of college careers Leinart and Young had, which obviously casts a large shadow on the little-known accomplishments of Cutler at Vanderbilt.
Now, I may not have been following football since the times of Baugh, Unitas, Starr, or Tarkenton, but I do claim a substantial amount of knowledge about the game and its history, and I offer this in its context: Since Steve Young, there has not been a more complete, young quarterback in a better situation.
Go down the list of all the great quarterbacks and you'll find their innate flaws. Marino had limited mobility. Montana was not the best physical specimen in comparison to the greats. Elway had a tendency to hold and scramble rather than make plays from pocket. Brady has his physical limitations, and Manning is wild under pressure and not the best athlete outside of the pocket.
Cutler is not hindered by any noticeable flaws. His decision-making ability for his age is well above average, which is evidenced by his low interception percentage. Cutler has elite arm strength. He is particularly impressive on the run, throwing across his body and the field.
He has outstanding touch up to 30 and 40 yards downfield. He is a very good athlete. His 4.7 forty does not represent his game-speed. He has ran ahead of Selvin Young to make blocks, and he can still occasionally run the option at this level.
He is not "Big" Ben Roethlisberger, but he is very difficult to bring down with his size and strength. He is very tough, takes hits, and talks smack. This is where you get the Favre comparisons.
He has an Elway-like swagger and confidence. He is a student of the game by all accounts. He's very studious and learns quickly on the field. He has been exceptionally clutch, only failing twice to not score in a game-tying or game winning-situation in the final half of the fourth quarter.
He already has eight fourth-quarter, game-tying or game-winning drives, and he would have had two more if not for dropped fourth-down passes. By all measures, he took the leadership role in his second year.
He is immersed in a QB-friendly offense, with one the league's most explosive up-and-coming receivers.
I dare to say that by the end of 2008, Cutler will be considered a top-five player at his position.
Fedaykin
08-27-2008, 01:10 PM
P.S. As far as talent goes, it's amazing how quickly people forget Jay was playing behind a patchwork OL staffed by 2nd and 3rd stringers, 1st stringers playing out of position, and one washed up 1st stringer who hung up his cleats immediately after the season because he knew he was done.
That Cutler is still alive after that OL last season is reason enough not to doubt him. ;)
Dedhed
08-28-2008, 10:12 AM
How about the preseason, vanillia defense, and the game didn't count?
How about the very first game of his professional career? And the 5th game of his career with the playoffs on the line. Buffalo last year. Pittsburgh last year.
Cutler already has an impressive list of drives under pressure. Large comebacks are impossible without defensive stops, and Cutler has yet to play with a defense with that ability. However I can already think of a handful of times when Cutler got it done on the final drive to tie it up or win it, and I can't think of a time where he blew it when facing the same situation.
maher_tyler
08-28-2008, 10:13 AM
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maher_tyler
08-28-2008, 10:22 AM
P.S. As far as talent goes, it's amazing how quickly people forget Jay was playing behind a patchwork OL staffed by 2nd and 3rd stringers, 1st stringers playing out of position, and one washed up 1st stringer who hung up his cleats immediately after the season because he knew he was done.
That Cutler is still alive after that OL last season is reason enough not to doubt him. ;)
People tend to forget that this is only going into his second FULL season, he's gonna be a great QB for a long time and for every person that says he sucks or that Young and Leinart will be better..i can't wait till he proves them all wrong!!