Official DNC Thread

[Rohirrim]

I have to agree with Carville, last night was pretty flat. They should have come out with both guns blazing straight at McCain. Instead, they try to do some "feel good" stuff. First, they start out with Pelosi - the most hated woman in American politics (yes, even more than Hillary). The behind the scenes story is that Pelosi is the person most responsible for pushing Hillary aside and positioning Obama to be the candidate of the party. So it seems that having Pelosi lead off the convention is pretty much a spit in the Clinton camp's eye.

Yesterday, I heard Michelle Obama on NPR. The reporter gave her a softball question to give her the opportunity to make nice with Hillary. Michelle was having none of it. Her attitude was pretty much Obama won, you lost, STFU. Seems that instead of the Dems wanting to smooth over this rift in the party, they want to pick at the wound, publicly. Basic Dem Party boneheadedness all over again.

Anyway, my wife stopped me from breaking the TV when Pelosi was up there. Then of course, the MSNBC staff is so full of themselves that they talked over most of the rest of what happened until Teddy showed up. I guess some Republican governor gave a speech, but MSNBC decided not to show any of it. I guess they find themselves more facinating. I found the Teddy stuff moving. The films and pictures of the Kennedys (I'll always have a deep fondness for RFK and what might have been) were very touching (to me). Pretty courageous of Ted to be up there doing his fire breathing while fighting brain cancer. Had to give him kudos for that. There's always something about seeing a Kennedy sailing a boat that reminds me of much better times. It was a moment to say goodbye to an old lion. Poignant.

Finally, after much more blather by the MSNBC crew, we get Michelle. It was nice, but so what? To me it was kind of like being at somebody's house and they suddenly whip out the slide show of their summer vacation. You're like, "Oh, ****. How do I get outta here?" Anyway, I didn't know her brother was the Bball coach of the Beavers. He seemed like a nice guy. Caring brother. Michelle didn't do anything for me. I already knew all the stuff she presented about herself; Her father's MS, her own history. I guess that back story stuff is okay. People eat it up.

I was disappointed. Basically, I thought it was a night of fluff.

[Garcia Bronco]

I very suprised to see a crowd of adults cheering for a murderer like Ted Kennedy.

[Spider]

I very suprised to see a crowd of adults cheering for a murderer like Ted Kennedy.

well if the woman that he was with was a republican .. it all would make sense ..........

[Rohirrim]

I very suprised to see a crowd of adults cheering for a murderer like Ted Kennedy.

And here I was thinking that at the guy's last few moments of life people would show a little class and give the man a break. No such luck. :pity:

[Rigs11]

Yep and yet yahoos like garcia support the idiot in the the house whose actions have killed thousands of soldiers, maimed countless more, and killed..err... liberated hundreds of thousands of iraqis. And yet Teddy is the murderer.. talk about moronic.

[jhat01]

And here I was thinking that at the guy's last few moments of life people would show a little class and give the man a break. No such luck. :pity:

I really have never been able to stand him...But as I watched last night, I couldn't help but be moved. To watch a guy going through what he's going through put that much passion into something was a great moment. I can't/won't bash the guy anymore.

[Traveler]

Riddle me this: The word "assassination" has reared it's ugly head again. There really has been no mention of it in presidential elections dating back to Reagan.

Why now?

[jhat01]

Riddle me this: The word "assassination" has reared it's ugly head again. There really has been no mention of it in presidential elections dating back to Reagan.

Why now?

You know why...

[Traveler]

You know why...

You would hope this country would be beyond this crazyness. Guess not, huh?

[Spider]

Ha! I didnt even bother to watch , I havent even read about it .......... Same ole Bull**** , bunch of idiots gathered in one area for a circle jerk ....... Just elect a democrat , get this country fixed ......... I for one dont believe that Bush gettign elected and the Broncos struggling is a mere coincidence........... Republican are bad for the Broncos

[Traveler]

Ha! I didnt even bother to watch , I havent even read about it .......... Same ole Bull**** , bunch of idiots gathered in one area for a circle jerk ....... Just elect a democrat , get this country fixed ......... I for one dont believe that Bush gettign elected and the Broncos struggling is a mere coincidence........... Republican are bad for the Broncos

Pat & Mike might not agree with you.:wiggle:

[Rohirrim]

Pat & Mike might not agree with you.:wiggle:

And Big John. ugh!~

[Spider]

Pat & Mike might not agree with you.:wiggle:What in the hell do they know

[TailgateNut]

Yep and yet yahoos like garcia support the idiot in the the house whose actions have killed thousands of soldiers, maimed countless more, and killed..err... liberated hundreds of thousands of iraqis. And yet Teddy is the murderer.. talk about moronic.

BUT, he was the DECIDER!:rofl: Doesn't that give him a pass?

[TailgateNut]

Riddle me this: The word "assassination" has reared it's ugly head again. There really has been no mention of it in presidential elections dating back to Reagan.

Why now?


2 reasons:


1. He's not a WASP
2. He wants to reverse the current trend of party before country.

[The Lone Bolt]

Ha! I didnt even bother to watch , I havent even read about it .......... Same ole Bull**** , bunch of idiots gathered in one area for a circle jerk ....... Just elect a democrat , get this country fixed ......... I for one dont believe that Bush gettign elected and the Broncos struggling is a mere coincidence........... Republican are bad for the Broncos

Don't make me vote for McCain! ;)

[Rohirrim]

Riddle me this: The word "assassination" has reared it's ugly head again. There really has been no mention of it in presidential elections dating back to Reagan.

Why now?

Unfortunately, assassination is one way that the twisted and insignificant among us believe they can attain some significance. Their lives are meaningless and they blame it on someone else. I have no doubt there are some ignorant, racist rednecks out there who would just love to kill Obama and get famous. That's why we have a Secret Service.

[Traveler]

Just read where Mark Warner won't be attacking Mac-Cane in his speech tonight. And while I do understand he needs to walk a tight rope, here's hoping he does get some jabs in.

Hillary & Rendell better pull out the knife on Mac-Cane tonight!

[Garcia Bronco]

And here I was thinking that at the guy's last few moments of life people would show a little class and give the man a break. No such luck. :pity:

He's a murdering POS. And while I won't wish death on him, he's classless along with anybody who gives this creep the time of day.

[Garcia Bronco]

I really have never been able to stand him...But as I watched last night, I couldn't help but be moved. To watch a guy going through what he's going through put that much passion into something was a great moment. I can't/won't bash the guy anymore.

Yeah. I mean he only left a woman to die while his drunk driving ass drove his car off a bridge. He left her there and ran home and didn't return until later.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yep and yet yahoos like garcia support the idiot in the the house whose actions have killed thousands of soldiers, maimed countless more, and killed..err... liberated hundreds of thousands of iraqis. And yet Teddy is the murderer.. talk about moronic.

It's clear you don't know what I support or don't, moron.

[Rohirrim]

He's a murdering POS. And while I won't wish death on him, he's classless along with anybody who gives this creep the time of day.

I was going to try and respond with something pithy, but it would be like bouncing pebbles off a cow's head. All it would do is make the dumb animal blink.

[Garcia Bronco]

I was going to try and respond with something pithy, but it would be like bouncing pebbles off a cow's head. All it would do is make the dumb animal blink.

Wave a flag for the murderer.

[Garcia Bronco]

[edit] Events of the night of July 18, 1969
According to his own testimony at the inquest into Kopechne's death, Kennedy left the party at "approximately 11:15 p.m." When he announced that he was about to leave, Kopechne indicated "that she was desirous of leaving, if I would be kind enough to drop her back at her hotel". Kennedy then requested the keys to his car from his chauffeur, Crimmins. Asked why he did not have his chauffeur drive them both, Kennedy explained that Crimmins along with some other partygoers "were concluding their meal, enjoying the fellowship and it didn't appear to me necessary to require him to bring me back to Edgartown".[3]

Christopher "Huck" Look was a deputy sheriff working as a special police officer at the Edgartown regatta dance that night. At 12:30 am he left the dance, crossed over to Chappaquiddick in the yacht club's launch, got into his parked car and drove home. He testified that between 12:30 and 12:45 am he had seen a dark car containing a man driving and a woman in the front seat approaching the intersection with Dike Road. The car had gone first onto the private Cemetery Road and stopped there. Thinking that the occupants of the car might be lost, Look had gotten out of his car and walked towards it. When he was 25 to 30 feet away, the car started backing up towards him. When Look called out to offer his help, the car took off down Dike Road in a cloud of dust.[4] Look recalled that the car's license plate began with a "L" and contained the number "7", both details true of Kennedy's 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88..


The Dike Bridge, pictured here in 2008 with guardrail.According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto Dike Road, an unlit dirt road that led to Dike Bridge (also spelled Dyke Bridge). Dike Road was unpaved, but Kennedy, driving at "approximately twenty miles an hour", took "no particular notice" of this fact, and did not realize that he was no longer headed towards the ferry landing.[5] Dike Bridge was a wooden bridge angled obliquely to the road with no guardrail. A fraction of a second before he reached the bridge, Kennedy applied his brakes; he then drove over the side of the bridge. The car plunged into tide-swept Poucha Pond (at that location a channel) and came to rest upside down underwater. Kennedy later recalled that he was able to swim free of the vehicle, but Kopechne was not. Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called Kopechne's name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for around fifteen minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where the party attended by Kopechne and other "Boiler Room Girls" had occurred. Kennedy denied seeing any house with a light on during his journey back to Lawrence Cottage.[6]

[Garcia Bronco]

According to one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help; however, he did not do so.[7]

According to Kennedy's testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the pond with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times.[1] When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had to be reported to the authorities.[8] According to Markham's testimony Kennedy was sobbing and on the verge of breaking down.[9] Kennedy went on to testify that "[I] had full intention of reporting it. And I mentioned to Gargan and Markham something like, 'You take care of the other girls; I will take care of the accident!' -- that is what I said and I dove into the water".[8] Kennedy had already told Gargan and Markham not to tell the other women anything about the incident "[b]ecause I felt strongly that if these girls were notified that an accident had taken place and Mary Jo had, in fact, drowned, that it would only be a matter of seconds before all of those girls, who were long and dear friends of Mary Jo's, would go to the scene of the accident and enter the water with, I felt, a good chance that some serious mishap might have occurred to any one of them".[10] Gargan and Markam would testify that they assumed that Kennedy was going to inform the authorities once he got back to Edgartown, and thus did not do so themselves.[2]

According to his own testimony, Kennedy swam across the 500-foot channel, back to Edgartown and returned to his hotel room, where he removed his clothes and collapsed on his bed.[10] Hearing noises, he later put on dry clothes and asked someone what the time was: it was something like 2:30 a.m., the senator recalled. He testified that, as the night went on, "I almost tossed and turned and walked around that room ... I had not given up hope all night long that, by some miracle, Mary Jo would have escaped from the car."[11]

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party.[2] By 7:30 am the next morning he was talking "casually" to the winner of the previous day's sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss.[2] At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a "heated conversation". According to Kennedy's testimony, the two men asked why he hadn't reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them "about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel ... that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive".[11] The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquiddick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of phone calls from a payphone by the crossing to his friends for advice; he again did not report the accident to authorities.[2]

[Rohirrim]

Wave a flag for the murderer.

Like I said...

[Garcia Bronco]

Earlier that morning, two amateur fishermen had seen the overturned car in the water and notified the inhabitants of the nearest cottage to the pond, who called the authorities at around 8:20 am.[12] A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne's body at around 8:45 am.[13] The diver, John Farrar, later testified at the inquest that Kopechne's body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble would have formed. He interpreted this to mean that Kopechne had survived for a while after the initial accident in the air bubble, and concluded that

“ Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim's side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.[7]

[Garcia Bronco]

On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. Kennedy's attorneys suggested that any jail sentence should be suspended, and the prosecutors agreed to this, citing Kennedy's age, character and prior reputation.[16] Judge James Boyle sentenced Kennedy to two months incarceration, the statutory minimum for the offense, which he suspended. In announcing the sentence, Boyle referred to Kennedy's "unblemished record" (even though Kennedy in fact had been involved in several previous traffic offenses[17]) and said that he "has already been, and will continue to be punished far beyond anything this court can impose".[17]

[Garcia Bronco]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

[Drek]

Finally, after much more blather by the MSNBC crew, we get Michelle. It was nice, but so what? To me it was kind of like being at somebody's house and they suddenly whip out the slide show of their summer vacation. You're like, "Oh, ****. How do I get outta here?" Anyway, I didn't know her brother was the Bball coach of the Beavers. He seemed like a nice guy. Caring brother. Michelle didn't do anything for me. I already knew all the stuff she presented about herself; Her father's MS, her own history. I guess that back story stuff is okay. People eat it up.

I was disappointed. Basically, I thought it was a night of fluff.

Much of the nation doesn't know her story though. Most polls show pretty clearly that on the issues people care the most about Obama polls higher, they just don't know him well enough to feel like he's trustworthy. Michelle's speech was aimed directly at giving America as a whole some familiarity with their story.

[Play2win]

I actually thought, if you consider the complete lineup of the DNC, absolutely great.

First you need to Rally and gather the troops(democrats) to a common cause, then introduce America to the candidates, which will continue to happen-- all the while planting seeds to take advantage in the coming days.

Hilary will unify the party (her supporters) even more, and go attack-dog on McSame. Bill Clinton drive his message home. Bill can drive a message home like nobody in today's politics. He will be attack-dog also. Then, Joe Biden attack-attack-dog. All this leading up to, when the DNC is handed over to Obama on the rarest of stages. His speech very well could be one for the ages.

The first day prepped the DNC for the fireworks that will follow!!!!

[cutthemdown]

And here I was thinking that at the guy's last few moments of life people would show a little class and give the man a break. No such luck. :pity:

what he did was pretty bad. I'm not sure just a bunch of years makes it go away. That was some shady circumstances that girl dies under. Couple of experts say she probably was alive in the car waiting to drown surviving on a pocket of air.

Not cool!!!!!!!!!!

If any politician did something like that today his career would be over and all of us would be against them.

Kennedy is scum that drove drunk off a bridge and left a young girl to die while he crawled out to safety. To top it all off he didn't even try to get someone or anyone to help her.

Kennedy deserves nothing he's a friggin killer.

I have heard even you I think Roh say less then flattering things about Little on the rams. Why do you not care what Kennedy did? Is it just because it was so long ago? Does time make something like that better?

IMO it doesn't dems trotting out Kennedy like he is this king of the party must be tough for that young girls remaining family. Or did the Kennedies just kill them all off so they couldnt talk?

[Rohirrim]

On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. Kennedy's attorneys suggested that any jail sentence should be suspended, and the prosecutors agreed to this, citing Kennedy's age, character and prior reputation.[16] Judge James Boyle sentenced Kennedy to two months incarceration, the statutory minimum for the offense, which he suspended. In announcing the sentence, Boyle referred to Kennedy's "unblemished record" (even though Kennedy in fact had been involved in several previous traffic offenses[17]) and said that he "has already been, and will continue to be punished far beyond anything this court can impose".[17]

And I guess that's not good enough for Garcia Bronco, Lord God Judge of All Mankind. Thanks for the thread-jack, but no thanks. If you wish to start another one of your "I'm better than everybody else" threads, go right ahead. This one is supposed to be about the DNC.

[Play2win]

Much of the nation doesn't know her story though. Most polls show pretty clearly that on the issues people care the most about Obama polls higher, they just don't know him well enough to feel like he's trustworthy. Michelle's speech was aimed directly at giving America as a whole some familiarity with their story.

I thought it was AWESOME!! :thumbsup:

[Garcia Bronco]

And I guess that's not good enough for Garcia Bronco, Lord God Judge of All Mankind. Thanks for the thread-jack, but no thanks. If you wish to start another one of your "I'm better than everybody else" threads, go right ahead. This one is supposed to be about the DNC.

Now that you've gotten that all out of your system, it still doesn't change the fact that those people last night support this murdering POS that should have never held public office from that day forward.

[Rohirrim]

what he did was pretty bad. I'm not sure just a bunch of years makes it go away. That was some shady circumstances that girl dies under. Couple of experts say she probably was alive in the car waiting to drown surviving on a pocket of air.

Not cool!!!!!!!!!!

If any politician did something like that today his career would be over and all of us would be against them.

Kennedy is scum that drove drunk off a bridge and left a young girl to die while he crawled out to safety. To top it all off he didn't even try to get someone or anyone to help her.

Kennedy deserves nothing he's a friggin killer.

I have heard even you I think Roh say less then flattering things about Little on the rams. Why do you not care what Kennedy did? Is it just because it was so long ago? Does time make something like that better?

IMO it doesn't dems trotting out Kennedy like he is this king of the party must be tough for that young girls remaining family. Or did the Kennedies just kill them all off so they couldnt talk?

Like Garcia already posted, when the judge sentenced him he stated the truth, "he has already been, and will continue to be punished far beyond anything this court can impose." The partisan hatred for the man is what bars you from accepting that very human possibility.

[Rohirrim]

Now that you've gotten that all out of your system, it still doesn't change the fact that those people last night support this murdering POS that should have never held public office from that day forward.

I guess that was up to the people of Massachusetts, wasn't it? Maybe they're just not quite as all-seeing as you are, or perhaps they're just more forgiving.

Your expansion of your attack to "those people" just proves you're doing nothing but finding an excuse for more of your nasty partisan bs.

[Garcia Bronco]

I guess that was up to the people of Massachusetts, wasn't it? Maybe they're just not quite as all-seeing as you are, or perhaps they're just more forgiving.

Your expansion of your attack to "those people" just proves you're doing nothing but finding an excuse for more of your nasty partisan bs.

Yeah. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it were your daughter or sister that got murdered by Ted Kennedy.

[cutthemdown]

Like Garcia already posted, when the judge sentenced him he stated the truth, "he has already been, and will continue to be punished far beyond anything this court can impose." The partisan hatred for the man is what bars you from accepting that very human possibility.

So because a god might exist and punish someone in the afterlife they get off for murder in this life? Most of the time you seem pretty tough on crime or people who drink and drive and leave young girls to drown.

What about justice for people who aren't religious. What do you tell them about Kennedy getting to murder.

[Rigs11]

It's clear you don't know what I support or don't, moron.

Actually it's quite clear based on your posts, Typical repub, takes shots at members of the dem party while at the same time creating excuses for the biggest blunder of a president the US has ever seen. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[cutthemdown]

Repubs should run a commercial reminding everyone what Kennedy did. A lot of young people don't know. Obama just a glowing endorsement from a murderer, it goes along with his endorsement by the white hating rev wright and the America hating Ayers.

Obama's cabinet will be filled with america hating radicals that will drive your daughters off bridges and leave them to drown. LOL!!!!

[Rigs11]

Yeah. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it were your daughter or sister that got murdered by Ted Kennedy.

Wonder how the families of these sons, daughters, mothers and fathers feel.

http://www.tsblogs.com/bullypulpit/casket/casket08.jpgmid.jpg

[cutthemdown]

Actually it's quite clear based on your posts, Typical repub, takes shots at members of the dem party while at the same time creating excuses for the biggest blunder of a president the US has ever seen. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Isn't it hypocrisy for posters who usually care about stuff like killing people while driving drunk, to not care about what Kennedy did.

Does time really heal stuff like this or is it a joke you can kill a young girl, run off like a wussy punk, and then still make your living in public service for the next 40 yrs?

[cutthemdown]

Wonder how the families of these sons, daughters, mothers and fathers feel.

http://www.tsblogs.com/bullypulpit/casket/casket08.jpgmid.jpg


very sad. Great way to try and equate dying for your country to being left to drown in a car slowly by a drunken Senator.

[Drek]

Now that you've gotten that all out of your system, it still doesn't change the fact that those people last night support this murdering POS that should have never held public office from that day forward.

1. worst case scenario its manslaughter, learn the law.

2. your entire claim is based on what some guy who showed up hours later thought might have been the situation, maybe, but without an educated opinion to provide at all.

3. you are pretty much the standard GOP mouthpiece who likes to attack anyone who isn't a right winger as though they were the anti-christ, but the despicable acts within your own party draw quick responses of "well no one is perfect" and "look at the dems!"

[Rigs11]

Repubs should run a commercial reminding everyone what Kennedy did. A lot of young people don't know. Obama just a glowing endorsement from a murderer, it goes along with his endorsement by the white hating rev wright and the America hating Ayers.

Obama's cabinet will be filled with america hating radicals that will drive your daughters off bridges and leave them to drown. LOL!!!!

dems could run a similar ad about gun toting cheney who blasted his friend in the face and then went into hiding for 10 hours. Luckily for him his friend didn't die. But that was just an accident right rightards?

[Rohirrim]

Yeah. I wonder if you'd feel the same way if it were your daughter or sister that got murdered by Ted Kennedy.

I didn't know Kopechne was your daughter or sister. Sorry.

[Garcia Bronco]

Wonder how the families of these sons, daughters, mothers and fathers feel.

http://www.tsblogs.com/bullypulpit/casket/casket08.jpgmid.jpg

I wouldn't want to comment on the sacriface of those soldiers. So what country was MaryJo trying to liberate.

[cutthemdown]

dems could run a similar ad about gun toting cheney who blasted his friend in the face and then went into hiding for 10 hours. Luckily for him his friend didn't die. But that was just an accident right rightards?

no comparison the dude suffered a mere flesh wound. Had Cheney been drunk and left the dude bleeding in the field to die then it would be the same. Nice try though loser!!!!!!!!!

Luckily he didn't die? no it wasn't luck they quickly got him medical attention. Medical attention for the victim was the first priority. Then after I'm sure some damage control to protect the VP.

Had Kennedy went straight for help I would see this as an accident. Once he left her there to die that was murder.

[Rigs11]

very sad. Great way to try and equate dying for your country to being left to drown in a car slowly by a drunken Senator.

pay attention junior, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of your ilk in labeling someone a murderer.if according to you teddy was drunk at least he had an excuse,all those dead americans died simply because Bush is a greedy moron.

[cutthemdown]

I wouldn't want to comment on the sacriface of those soldiers. So what country was MaryJo trying to liberate.

She probably just wanted to have the baby of Kennedy she was carrying.

[cutthemdown]

pay attention junior, I am pointing out the hypocrisy of your ilk in labeling someone a murderer.if according to you teddy was drunk at least he had an excuse,all those dead americans died simply because Bush is a greedy moron.

Nope you point out only that you make no sense. There is no comparison between soldiers who die fighting for their country and a poor aid to a Senator left to drown because he was too drunk to care or worst. Maybe he did it on purpose!!!!! Maybe she was pregnant?

Funny though that even in a discussion about a drunk who killed a girl you can make that ok because Bush fought an unpopular war. You're a joke riggs.

[Rigs11]

no comparison the dude suffered a mere flesh wound. Had Cheney been drunk and left the dude bleeding in the field to die then it would be the same. Nice try though loser!!!!!!!!!

Luckily he didn't die? no it wasn't luck they quickly got him medical attention. Medical attention for the victim was the first priority. Then after I'm sure some damage control to protect the VP.

Had Kennedy went straight for help I would see this as an accident. Once he left her there to die that was murder.

A flesh wound? that's rich mr. "independent".:rofl: He went into hiding for 10 hours. Could it be possible that he was drunk as well? Never fails to amaze me how you yahoos continuosly bend over for bush and his cronies.

[Garcia Bronco]

dems could run a similar ad about gun toting cheney who blasted his friend in the face and then went into hiding for 10 hours. Luckily for him his friend didn't die. But that was just an accident right rightards?

Who said Cheney should be in Jail for that? Cheney or the War in Iraq or Korea or anyone else doesn't have anything to do with the FACT that Kennedy is a murdering POS.

[Rohirrim]

So because a god might exist and punish someone in the afterlife they get off for murder in this life? Most of the time you seem pretty tough on crime or people who drink and drive and leave young girls to drown.

What about justice for people who aren't religious. What do you tell them about Kennedy getting to murder.

I think you are deliberately misinterpreting the judge's comments for your own partisan hatred ends. Kennedy paid the price demanded of him by society. Forty years later you and others on the Right mindlessly rage on in your "holier than thou" judgment. Whether or not you agree with the sentence (and I don't) is besides the point. The judgment was made and the sentence was served. IIRC, the Kopechne's also filed and won a civil suit the judgment of which was also paid.

You and Garcia hijacking this thread over a rehashing of the whole thing is nothing more than your partisan biases driving you both berserk.

[cutthemdown]

A flesh wound? that's rich mr. "independent".:rofl: He went into hiding for 10 hours. Could it be possible that he was drunk as well? Never fails to amaze me how you yahoos continuosly bend over for bush and his cronies.

what's amazing is you trying to compare someone who lost there life to a hunting accident where no one died.

Shows your total lack of respect for life and makes me realize you don't care one bit about the soldiers who died. You just use it to try and win arguments about the war.

[Garcia Bronco]

I didn't know Kopechne was your daughter or sister. Sorry.

The point asshat was she could have been, bottom line is she was someones daughter.

[Rigs11]

Nope you point out only that you make no sense. There is no comparison between soldiers who die fighting for their country and a poor aid to a Senator left to drown because he was too drunk to care or worst. Maybe he did it on purpose!!!!! Maybe she was pregnant?

Funny though that even in a discussion about a drunk who killed a girl you can make that ok because Bush fought an unpopular war. You're a joke riggs.

You simple little mind can still not comprehend that his war was based on lies. lies that lead to deaths of thousands of american soldiers.that's not murder?

[Garcia Bronco]

1. worst case scenario its manslaughter, learn the law.

2. your entire claim is based on what some guy who showed up hours later thought might have been the situation, maybe, but without an educated opinion to provide at all.

3. you are pretty much the standard GOP mouthpiece who likes to attack anyone who isn't a right winger as though they were the anti-christ, but the despicable acts within your own party draw quick responses of "well no one is perfect" and "look at the dems!"

Murder is murder. And I don't work for the GOP nor am I a member or whatever right-left dance you want to involve me in. Just another case where the left-tards are just like the right-tards and you miserable forkers deserve each other.

[cutthemdown]

not really Roh because the Democrats are parading him around like someone we should look up to. Like this is a man who we can trust to tell us who would be a good President and who is a good man.

In the legal world we call that opening the door or ringing the bell. It means that since Kennedy is saying hey you can trust me, and I'm telling you you can trust Obama. He was a focal point speaker to give that message.

IMO that means you can attack things that person has done that show him not to be someone that can tell you who a good man is. To know that you have to be a good man.

This is all fair game now because the Democrats are saying here's Ted Kennedy. he's a great man, you can trust what he has to say.

I'm saying he's a liar, a killer, a coward and you can't go by what he says.

If Democrats didn't want it brought up then why parade him around. If people of this board want to say what an uplifting speech by Kennedy, I can for sure be in my right to say naw he's a POS!!!!!

[cutthemdown]

You simple little mind can still not comprehend that his war was based on lies. lies that lead to deaths of thousands of american soldiers.that's not murder?

it's a fact Kennedy left that girl to drown.

It's your opinion war was based on lies.

That's the difference.

[Garcia Bronco]

Actually it's quite clear based on your posts, Typical repub, takes shots at members of the dem party while at the same time creating excuses for the biggest blunder of a president the US has ever seen. Hypocrisy at its finest.


I don't create excuses for anyone. I just call you on your lies.

[cutthemdown]

dems could run a similar ad about gun toting cheney who blasted his friend in the face and then went into hiding for 10 hours. Luckily for him his friend didn't die. But that was just an accident right rightards?

But repubs will be smart. I doubt they parade Cheney out for the convention.

[frerottenextelway]

Then of course, the MSNBC staff is so full of themselves that they talked over most of the rest of what happened


Seriously, C-SPAN. Gavel to gavel.

[Rohirrim]

not really Roh because the Democrats are parading him around like someone we should look up to. Like this is a man who we can trust to tell us who would be a good President and who is a good man.

In the legal world we call that opening the door or ringing the bell. It means that since Kennedy is saying hey you can trust me, and I'm telling you you can trust Obama. He was a focal point speaker to give that message.

IMO that means you can attack things that person has done that show him not to be someone that can tell you who a good man is. To know that you have to be a good man.

This is all fair game now because the Democrats are saying here's Ted Kennedy. he's a great man, you can trust what he has to say.

I'm saying he's a liar, a killer, a coward and you can't go by what he says.

If Democrats didn't want it brought up then why parade him around. If people of this board want to say what an uplifting speech by Kennedy, I can for sure be in my right to say naw he's a POS!!!!!

And I'm sure you feel just as strongly about McCain using his power to block regulators during the Keating Five scandal which caused one of the worst economic debacles in American history in which thousands were robbed of their life savings and McCain walked away scot-free to continue his career.

[frerottenextelway]

But repubs will be smart. I doubt they parade Cheney out for the convention.

He's speaking day 1, intro to Bush.

[BroncoInferno]

What a surprise. The right-wing idiots bringing up Kennedy's 40 year old crime when Bush is responsible for the lies that lead to the deaths of 3000+ American soldiers and countless innocent Iraqi civilians (not to mention those permantly maimed).

[Rohirrim]

it's a fact Kennedy left that girl to drown.

It's your opinion war was based on lies.

That's the difference.

Hmmm. So I take it you would favor the death penalty for every crime? Obviously you feel that even if somebody has committed a crime, been found guilty, been sentenced, and served their sentence, they still should suffer lifelong punishment? And then, that is enough either? So, no matter what they do, there is no forgiveness? Is that your take? Oh, and anybody who does forgive such a person is equal in their criminality? That's your belief?

[BroncoInferno]

It's your opinion war was based on lies.

No, that is a fact. The circumstantial evidence is too overwhelming for any rational, unbiased person to draw any other conclusion.

[cutthemdown]

He's speaking day 1, intro to Bush.

funny

[Rigs11]

it's a fact Kennedy left that girl to drown.

It's your opinion war was based on lies.

That's the difference.

Both are facts, you just wish to ignore the evidence. Probably helps you sleep at night huh?

[cutthemdown]

Hmmm. So I take it you would favor the death penalty for every crime? Obviously you feel that even if somebody has committed a crime, been found guilty, been sentenced, and served their sentence, they still should suffer lifelong punishment? And then, that is enough either? So, no matter what they do, there is no forgiveness? Is that your take? Oh, and anybody who does forgive such a person is equal in their criminality? That's your belief?

I'll accept that he has went through the justice system. But take his word and advice on who I can trust, who is a good man? nope can't do that.

[cutthemdown]

Hmmm. So I take it you would favor the death penalty for every crime? Obviously you feel that even if somebody has committed a crime, been found guilty, been sentenced, and served their sentence, they still should suffer lifelong punishment? And then, that is enough either? So, no matter what they do, there is no forgiveness? Is that your take? Oh, and anybody who does forgive such a person is equal in their criminality? That's your belief?

just a question.

When Vick get's out would you respect him again? Forgive him and accept him as a Bronco?

[Rigs11]

funny

What was it that you were saying again? something about them being smart?LOL

[Rohirrim]

just a question.

When Vick get's out would you respect him again? Forgive him and accept him as a Bronco?

Vick sucks as a QB. There's no excuse for that. ;D

How about McCain and the Keating Five? His actions led directly to the destruction of many peoples' life savings. Many of those people, especially among the elderly, committed suicide when they discovered they were ruined. McCain was never brought to justice for those crimes.

[frerottenextelway]

funny

Thx, but it wasn't a joke.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0808/Cheney_will_speak_at_GOP_convention.html

[Rigs11]

I don't create excuses for anyone. I just call you on your lies.

Your perception of reality is laughable at best.

[Play2win]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason, rationale and severed logic that elected a flawed president who not only put this great nation of ours in harm's way, but put many of its citizens-- many, many Americans in harms way. GWB caused many, many Americans to unnecessarily pay the ultimate price.

This party before nation way of thinking may very well be the greatest threat we have to this great country of ours.

[Garcia Bronco]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason, rationale and severed logic that elected a flawed president who not only put this great nation of ours in harm's way, but put many of its citizens-- many, many Americans in harms way. GWB caused many, many Americans to unnecessarily pay the ultimate price.

This party before nation way of thinking may very well be the greatest threat we have to this great country of ours.

read federalist paper number 10

[Garcia Bronco]

Sorry for calling you guys a bunch of names, but Ted Kennedy gets me fired up. I shouldn't take that out on you guys.

[Garcia Bronco]

What a surprise. The idiots bringing up Kennedy's 40 year old crime when Bush is responsible for the lies that lead to the deaths of 3000+ American soldiers and countless innocent Iraqi civilians (not to mention those permantly maimed).

If you want to start a thread about that great, but we aren't talking about Charles Manson, Joesph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Himmler, or anyone else. We are talking about Ted Kennedy.

[jhat01]

Wonder how the families of these sons, daughters, mothers and fathers feel.

http://www.tsblogs.com/bullypulpit/casket/casket08.jpgmid.jpg

Have you ever served? Don't bring American heroes into this. They have nothing to do with Kennedy and his actions. Shame on you.

[Rohirrim]

If you want to start a thread about that great, but we aren't talking about Charles Manson, Joesph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Himmler, or anyone else. We are talking about Ted Kennedy.

Actually, I was trying to talk about the DNC. You're the one who did the Kennedy hijack.

Anyway, tonight is the night to watch. There might be a little drama unfolding. Hillary takes the stage. Nobody knows what will happen. Will her followers play nice and go all kumbaya or is there a floor fight? Should be interesting, if you like politics.

[Garcia Bronco]

Have you ever served? Don't bring American heroes into this. They have nothing to do with Kennedy and his actions. Shame on you.

I understand their point, but one doesn't have much to do with the other. Nor does one excuse the other in the case that the Administration did lie us into a war for the wrong reasons.

[Spider]

Sorry for calling you guys a bunch of names, but Ted Kennedy gets me fired up. I shouldn't take that out on you guys.

LOL take it out on us ........ your ranting and raving was like watching a 4 year old , Cut played the role of enabler ...... Yeah Kennendy did kill her , but when you got republicans running around thinking under aged boys are sex objects , well you know where I am going with this ..........

[Spider]

Have you ever served? Don't bring American heroes into this. They have nothing to do with Kennedy and his actions. Shame on you.

So this some how makes their death ok ? sending them into the wrong country on a bogus invasion is ok ? odd ......

[Garcia Bronco]

Actually, I was trying to talk about the DNC. You're the one who did the Kennedy hijack.

Anyway, tonight is the night to watch. There might be a little drama unfolding. Hillary takes the stage. Nobody knows what will happen. Will her followers play nice and go all kumbaya or is there a floor fight? Should be interesting, if you like politics.

I watched it, and there is nothing wrong with me pointing out all those people cheering on a murderer. It did happen. All of it.


Hillary will fall in line or be McCain's running mate.

[Rigs11]

Have you ever served? Don't bring American heroes into this. They have nothing to do with Kennedy and his actions. Shame on you.

So we can only talk about the dead soldiers if we served now? Somone tell the bush admin.The rightards including mccane use the mitary service for political arguments on a daily basis. How many times have the bush cronies used the soldiers to reflect criticsm of their bogus war? the same bogus war that kills them. Shame on you for looking the other way.

[kappys]

I am amazed to find myself in agreement with Cut, Jhat and the others on this one.

1) Kennedy left that girl to die. To be honest I am very suspect that 25 minutes later someone would have been able to easily find the car, rescue the girl, and have her be alive. Still Kennedy should have called and should have been sentenced as anyone else would have for negligent manslaughter. To say that he sufferred because some partisan attacks hurt his political opportunities is a slap in the face of the victim and her family.

2) There is no valid comparison to bush's crimes. bush and Cheney represent war criminals. While I don't believe that the appropriate punishment for this is death, it nonetheless stands as international precedent. negligent homicide is not punishable by death in the US. However,

3) You can not justify Kennedy's bad behavior by comparing it to what Bush did, nor does that somehow invalidate Kennedy's guilt. It is not the same as pointing out hypocrisy. If you want to point out the hypocrisy of Cut, JHat and others who think him not guilty then ask what they think of the trials of Pinochet and Milosevic. If they agree then they are hypocrites, if they don't believe in or accept international law then they are not.

[TailgateNut]

I am amazed to find myself in agreement with Cut, Jhat and the others on this one.

1) Kennedy left that girl to die. To be honest I am very suspect that 25 minutes later someone would have been able to easily find the car, rescue the girl, and have her be alive. Still Kennedy should have called and should have been sentenced as anyone else would have for negligent manslaughter. To say that he sufferred because some partisan attacks hurt his political opportunities is a slap in the face of the victim and her family.

2) There is no valid comparison to bush's crimes. bush and Cheney represent war criminals. While I don't believe that the appropriate punishment for this is death, it nonetheless stands as international precedent. negligent homicide is not punishable by death in the US. However,

3) You can not justify Kennedy's bad behavior by comparing it to what Bush did, nor does that somehow invalidate Kennedy's guilt. It is not the same as pointing out hypocrisy. If you want to point out the hypocrisy of Cut, JHat and others who think him not guilty then ask what they think of the trials of Pinochet and Milosevic. If they agree then they are hypocrites, if they don't believe in or accept international law then they are not.


I'm on board with your take on this. Kennedy skated out of what would have been the penalty for the avg. joe.

This isn't the first time a "big name" (politician, actor, sports figure) has been able to circumvent the normal law process, and it wont be the last. It is, sadly, how our Judicial $$$ process works.

On the other hand, GB whining is why I put him on Ignore a long time ago. He just sees the world in "black and white".

[jhat01]

So this some how makes their death ok ? sending them into the wrong country on a bogus invasion is ok ? odd ......

Come on...By no means do I think their deaths are OK. The point of my post is there is no comparison... Why would you insinuate that I think their deaths are OK? How does Kennedy equate to US troop deaths?? Jeezuz Christ dude, give me more credit than that.

[jhat01]

So we can only talk about the dead soldiers if we served now? Somone tell the bush admin.The rightards including mccane use the mitary service for political arguments on a daily basis. How many times have the bush cronies used the soldiers to reflect criticsm of their bogus war? the same bogus war that kills them. Shame on you for looking the other way.

Don't talk to me about looking the other way..I live that life. My family lives that life. You equating Kennedy to this is a swing and a miss...It's just blind partisanship like Garcia's

[Spider]

Come on...By no means do I think their deaths are OK. The point of my post is there is no comparison... Why would you insinuate that I think their deaths are OK? How does Kennedy equate to US troop deaths?? Jeezuz Christ dude, give me more credit than that.

If Bush had been drunk would the comparison be valid ? as for the Kennedy thing , the woman died cause of Kennedys actions and decision making , much like the vets who dies in Nam and Iraq ........ Now how can I put this , I dont think you think the deaths are ok , but you seem to let Bush off the hook ..........

[Garcia Bronco]

Don't talk to me about looking the other way..I live that life. My family lives that life. You equating Kennedy to this is a swing and a miss...It's just blind partisanship like Garcia's

There is no blind partisanship on my part. I call them like I see them.

[TailgateNut]

Don't talk to me about looking the other way..I live that life. My family lives that life. You equating Kennedy to this is a swing and a miss...It's just blind partisanship like Garcia's


OT. What you doin in Langley?

I used to live a stones throw from there while I was stationed at the Army Trans. School (Ft Eustis) training test pilots how not to crash Hueys:wiggle:

[jhat01]

OT. What you doin in Langley?

I used to live a stones throw from there while I was stationed at the Army Trans. School (Ft Eustis) training test pilots how not to crash Hueys:wiggle:

I just started my new job. Up until last month I worked at the NTTR north of Vegas doing some cool things. Now I'm involved in the UAV world.

[jhat01]

If Bush had been drunk would the comparison be valid ? as for the Kennedy thing , the woman died cause of Kennedys actions and decision making , much like the vets who dies in Nam and Iraq ........ Now how can I put this , I dont think you think the deaths are ok , but you seem to let Bush off the hook ..........

At first, like alot of us, I was fully behind his actions. But I've seen first hand the blunders of our leadership. I don't let him off the hook at all. I just don't equate the two...Agree to disagree I guess.

[Spider]

At first, like alot of us, I was fully behind his actions. But I've seen first hand the blunders of our leadership. I don't let him off the hook at all. I just don't equate the two...Agree to disagree I guess.
ok ... I think Iraq is far worse , but we agree to disagree

[cutthemdown]

Like I said I think Kennedy a bad pick to tell us who is someone we can trust. Just like Cheney a bad choice on someone who should tell us how to be safe while hunting.

Why not roll out someone different to tell us about Obama? Why does it have to be Ted Kennedy. Can't dems follow through with Obama being an outsider. Seems like instead of change he is just joining up with them. Biden as VP, Kennedy telling us how great he is?

I would rather had not have to have seen Americans clapping and cheering for a guy like Ted Kennedy.

[cutthemdown]

LOL take it out on us ........ your ranting and raving was like watching a 4 year old , Cut played the role of enabler ...... Yeah Kennendy did kill her , but when you got republicans running around thinking under aged boys are sex objects , well you know where I am going with this ..........

You have to admit I know how to get a thread moving!!!!!!!

It may not be as good as you punching someone in the throat but still it's better then Wolf just saying fire Shannahan, or Baja saying the sky is falling, or LABF calling me a grand wizard of the KKK.

[Rohirrim]

Like I said I think Kennedy a bad pick to tell us who is someone we can trust. Just like Cheney a bad choice on someone who should tell us how to be safe while hunting.

Why not roll out someone different to tell us about Obama? Why does it have to be Ted Kennedy. Can't dems follow through with Obama being an outsider. Seems like instead of change he is just joining up with them. Biden as VP, Kennedy telling us how great he is?

I would rather had not have to have seen Americans clapping and cheering for a guy like Ted Kennedy.

I don't think that was the purpose of the Dems rolling Teddy out. I think having a Kennedy on the podium is a DNC tradition for the last forty years. It was more of a goodbye to the old lion, and really, goodbye to the Kennedys. You've got to keep in mind, the Dem Party runs the convention, not Obama.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't think that was the purpose of the Dems rolling Teddy out. I think having a Kennedy on the podium is a DNC tradition for the last forty years. It was more of a goodbye to the old lion, and really, goodbye to the Kennedys. You've got to keep in mind, the Dem Party runs the convention, not Obama.

Why not. I mean they made their money breaking the law.

[Garcia Bronco]

Your perception of reality is laughable at best.

As is your perception of anything

[cutthemdown]

And I'm sure you feel just as strongly about McCain using his power to block regulators during the Keating Five scandal which caused one of the worst economic debacles in American history in which thousands were robbed of their life savings and McCain walked away scot-free to continue his career.

actually I don't really like McCain because of that and his immigration stand. My problem is I worry Obama will tax the hell out of me and I don't fully trust him to be a great American like I do McCain.

Very tough call actually.

I agree Roh if you are saying i could just as easily find things to rail on McCain about. Your right the left has plenty of Ammo to use on McCain, he isn't free from skeletons in his closet.

I'll be honest though the fact he called Rev Wright his mentor and I feel that dude hates me has me worried.

[ScottXray]

Why not. I mean they made their money breaking the law.
Like the Bushes? War profiteering got them their start and Grandson W as turned it into a Republican institution...even starts the wars so his buddies can get the no bid contracts that go with it.

[cutthemdown]

I don't think that was the purpose of the Dems rolling Teddy out. I think having a Kennedy on the podium is a DNC tradition for the last forty years. It was more of a goodbye to the old lion, and really, goodbye to the Kennedys. You've got to keep in mind, the Dem Party runs the convention, not Obama.

I loathe that tradition then. A Kennedy led the search for the VP. Kennedy's run the Democratic party is what it looks like. Kennedy's are not a voice of change IMO like Obama wants to portray.

[Garcia Bronco]

Like the Bushes? War profiteering got them their start and Grandson W as turned it into a Republican institution...even starts the wars so his buddies can get the no bid contracts that go with it.

Like the Bushes. So now that we have throughly established that the Kennedy's and Bush's are from the same ilk we can start to bridge the gap with this ridiculous hero worship of all these asshole criminal "royal" political families

[Rigs11]

i just hope that we see posts from the "independents" around here like cuttheclown and garcia come next week when Guliani and Cheney speak at the RNC.You know since they're such humanitarians and all. Yep Guliani, the great mayor who suspended the search for remains at 911 after the gold was found.Oh and by the way the firefighters made this claim.But wait he wears a flag lapel, oh man how confusing for you guys...

[Rigs11]

Dbrule was too much of a vagina to post on here so he neg repped me. What a wuss..Remember folks you can only talk about our fallen soldiers only if you're a repub and you have one of those stickers on your car.

[Play2win]

Dbrule was too much of a vagina to post on here so he neg repped me. What a wuss..Remember folks you can only talk about our fallen soldiers only if you're a repub and you have one of those stickers on your car.

The sickening IRONY of that is that they are responsible for a majority of their deaths...

[TailgateNut]

Dbrule was too much of a vagina to post on here so he neg repped me. What a wuss..Remember folks you can only talk about our fallen soldiers only if you're a repub and you have one of those stickers on your car.



Get used to his return. He'll be drumming the religious right talking points now that it's election season.

[TailgateNut]

The sickening IRONY of that is that they are responsible for a majority of their deaths...

They are always eager to send them to fight in war based on lies, but want to forget about them when they return. A sort of "disposable soldier". Don't allow the public to see the dead soldiers, don't allow the public to see the maimed, and don't make them aware of the "hidden costs" of war. That's left for the next generation of leaders to absorb.

[jhat01]

They are always eager to send them to fight in war based on lies, but want to forget about them when they return. A sort of "disposable soldier". Don't allow the public to see the dead soldiers, don't allow the public to see the maimed, and don't make them aware of the "hidden costs" of war. That's left for the next generation of leaders to absorb.

I agree with you, but it works the other way too. Someone attacked TKennedy about his past, so in response someone throws out pictures of fallen Americans who died with honor during this horrible war. Not every counterpoint needs to be, "well what about the thousands of dead troops?" I get it, this thing is all wrong, and it's terrible that so many sons and dads have been lost. But imo, Riggs' post was stupid in the context that it was in response to a guy bashing TK over a DUI death.

[TailgateNut]

I agree with you, but it works the other way too. Someone attacked TKennedy about his past, so in response someone throws out pictures of fallen Americans who died with honor during this horrible war. Not every counterpoint needs to be, "well what about the thousands of dead troops?" I get it, this thing is all wrong, and it's terrible that so many sons and dads have been lost. But imo, Riggs' post was stupid in the context that it was in response to a guy bashing TK over a DUI death.


I read this morning about the suicide and attempted suicide rates within the ranks of the military. Last year the count of attempted suicides was a 350(+-), this year the number was in excess of 2000. We need to take care of our soldiers, not just use and abuse them!

[jhat01]

I read this morning about the suicide and attempted suicide rates within the ranks of the military. Last year the count of attempted suicides was a 350(+-), this year the number was in excess of 2000. We need to take care of our soldiers, not just use and abuse them!

It's terrible. A young Airman that worked in my office in Vegas hung herself a few months back. She was sent to Iraq to drive convoys...She's was a admin troop that got sent for a completely different job. Her convoy was hit and she lost some friends, terrible story. I wish I could have done more, but as the civilian in the shop I usually stayed out of the troop wellfare stuff. Her command could have done a better job, and I could have too.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yep and yet yahoos like garcia support the idiot in the the house whose actions have killed thousands of soldiers, maimed countless more, and killed..err... liberated hundreds of thousands of iraqis. And yet Teddy is the murderer.. talk about moronic.

QFT. ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

1. worst case scenario its manslaughter, learn the law.

2. your entire claim is based on what some guy who showed up hours later thought might have been the situation, maybe, but without an educated opinion to provide at all.

3. you are pretty much the standard GOP mouthpiece who likes to attack anyone who isn't a right winger as though they were the anti-christ, but the despicable acts within your own party draw quick responses of "well no one is perfect" and "look at the dems!"

Ding ding ding! :yep:

[TailgateNut]

It's terrible. A young Airman that worked in my office in Vegas hung herself a few months back. She was sent to Iraq to drive convoys...She's was a admin troop that got sent for a completely different job. Her convoy was hit and she lost some friends, terrible story. I wish I could have done more, but as the civilian in the shop I usually stayed out of the troop wellfare stuff. Her command could have done a better job, and I could have too.


I "ran into" several soldiers who have returned from Iraq at the local VFW and at a neighborhood pub, and what I am seeing is that they are, for lack of better terms, much more "disturbed" than the majority of Vietnam era vets. It just seems they were not as mentally prepared for the visions which become of part of their remaining life. We are not dealing with these issues for our vets, and it's a sad state of affairs how we just want to sweep it under the rug.

[Garcia Bronco]

LABF.. None of that is true. If I am such a GOP mouth piece why did I vote for Jim Webb and Kaine when I lived in Virginia? I actually made a vote that gave the Democrats a majority in congress. Go look at Webbs margin of victory against George Allen and tell me that I am a "GOP mouth piece" or how I support George Bush at every turn? Again, you guys come up with the most ridiculous crap.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF.. None of that is true. If I am such a GOP mouth piece why did I vote for Jim Webb and Kaine when I lived in Virginia? I actually made a vote that gave the Democrats a majority in congress. Go look at Webbs margin of victory against George Allen and tell me that I am a "GOP mouth piece" or how I support George Bush at every turn? Again, you guys come up with the most ridiculous crap.

What's "ridiculous" is your idea that it's unreasonable for people to assume you are a GOP mouthpiece after reading your assault on Ted Kennedy.

Everything you are saying about Kennedy is straight out of the GOP hymn book.

[Garcia Bronco]

What's "ridiculous" is your idea that it's unreasonable for people to assume you are a GOP mouthpiece after reading your assault on Ted Kennedy.

Everything you are saying about Kennedy is straight out of the GOP hymn book.

I am an independent moderate and I split the ticket just about everytime I am in the voting both.

It's fact that he killed Mary Jo, I don't know what else to tell you. He's a POS and certainly deserved jail time and should have never held public office after that.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I am an independent moderate and I split the ticket just about everytime I am in the voting both.

Then why do you only express "moral outrage" over improprieties or indiscretions by Democrats while tenaciously defending every instance of GOP corruption and criminality that comes down the pike?


It's fact that he killed Mary Jo, I don't know what else to tell you. He's a POS and certainly deserved jail time and should have never held public office after that.

It was an accident.

By calling him a "murderer" you advertise your ignorance of the law.

[Garcia Bronco]

Then why do you only express "moral outrage" over improprieties or indiscretions by Democrats while tenaciously defending every instance of GOP corruption and criminality that comes down the pike?



It was an accident.

By calling him a "murderer" you advertise your ignorance of the law.

I do not tenaciously defend the GOP. I just make fun of the ridiculous conclusions made by members of this forum that look at things from only their skewed angle why presenting articles with half-truths.

He drove her off a bridge drunk and left her to die. That's not an accident LABF. It's murder. The Bushes and the Kennedys are no different. They are the same morally corrupt and bankrupt groups of people that need to leave our lives. And those are just a few. So if it makes you happy **** George Bush and **** Ted Kennedy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I do not tenaciously defend the GOP. I just make fun of the ridiculous conclusions made by members of this forum that look at things from only their skewed angle why presenting articles with half-truths.

That's bullsh*t.

Name one instance of GOP corruption or criminality you have ever denounced here.

He drove her off a bridge drunk and left her to die. That's not an accident LABF. It's murder.

Once again, your understanding of the law is woefully deficient (which makes it all the more scary that you pretend to know better than the courts that heard the case.)


The Bushes and the Kennedys are no different. They are the same morally corrupt and bankrupt groups of people that need to leave our lives. And those are just a few. So if it makes you happy **** George Bush and **** Ted Kennedy.

If there's no difference, then why do you only call Dems to account and give repugs a free pass (or defend them) time and time again?

[Garcia Bronco]

That's bullsh*t.

Name one instance of GOP corruption or criminality you have ever denounced here.



Illegal Immigration
Economics


Once again, your understanding of the law is woefully deficient (which makes it all the more scary that you pretend to know better than the courts that heard the case.)


Tell me again how you'd feel if it were your daughter or sister or mother?


If there's no difference, then why do you only call Dems to account and give repugs a free pass (or defend them) time and time again?

The scope of what is talked about on this forum is so small and you and a few others do all that "work". You've said time and again that you and I often disagree. It's not the case. I do lean to the conservative side on the economy and foreign policy, but that's not the GOP. They spend more money than they take in just like Democrats.

[Drek]

LABF.. None of that is true. If I am such a GOP mouth piece why did I vote for Jim Webb and Kaine when I lived in Virginia? I actually made a vote that gave the Democrats a majority in congress. Go look at Webbs margin of victory against George Allen and tell me that I am a "GOP mouth piece" or how I support George Bush at every turn? Again, you guys come up with the most ridiculous crap.

Hey, I'm not an employee of Diebold, I have no idea who you voted for.

I'm a staunch independent who is from a devoutly independent state, and I campaigned for the real McCain back in '00 against Bush in the NH primaries. I've got no party allegiances. I just look at the facts and the facts say that Obama is the single best candidate this country has seen in three decades.

As for you, well, if you consider yourself a moderate independent maybe you should reconsider the obvious bias you bring to this forum? Thats all we can gauge you on and 90% of the time you're either uninformed or parroting GOP talking points, knowing better or not.

As for Kennedy killing someone being a fact, 1. where is the proof? Something other than conjecture by a single other person who is in no way an expert. and 2. as I already said, getting in a car accident when drunk and not pulling a person out of a flooding car doesn't make you a murderer. Its manslaughter, entirely different violation. Still horrible, not its not like he tied cinder blocks to her feet and pushed the car into the river.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hey, I'm not an employee of Diebold, I have no idea who you voted for.

I'm a staunch independent who is from a devoutly independent state, and I campaigned for the real McCain back in '00 against Bush in the NH primaries. I've got no party allegiances. I just look at the facts and the facts say that Obama is the single best candidate this country has seen in three decades.

As for you, well, if you consider yourself a moderate independent maybe you should reconsider the obvious bias you bring to this forum? Thats all we can gauge you on and 90% of the time you're either uninformed or parroting GOP talking points, knowing better or not.

As for Kennedy killing someone being a fact, 1. where is the proof? Something other than conjecture by a single other person who is in no way an expert. and 2. as I already said, getting in a car accident when drunk and not pulling a person out of a flooding car doesn't make you a murderer. Its manslaughter, entirely different violation. Still horrible, not its not like he tied cinder blocks to her feet and pushed the car into the river.


He drove her drunk off a bridge and left her there to die. It's a fact from his testimony. You can split hairs on legal definitions all you want, but whne we get down to where the rubber meets the roads that jackass left her there to die and didn't comeback until the next morning.

Another thing, I don't do well with people who b**** and complain. When Katrina went down these guys all sat back and b****ed and moaned about what the government was doing. I actually went down there and did misson work to help people rebuild what the could for 30 days through the corporation that I worked for.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

He drove her drunk off a bridge and left her there to die. It's a fact from his testimony. You can split hairs on legal definitions all you want, but whne we get down to where the rubber meets the roads that jackass left her there to die and didn't comeback until the next morning.

Another thing, I don't do well with people who b**** and complain. When Katrina went down these guys all sat back and b****ed and moaned about what the government was doing. I actually went down there and did misson work to help people rebuild what the could for 30 days through the corporation that I worked for.

Thats great you could go down there and help, but personal devotion is no substitute for government intervention and strong public policy.

[Garcia Bronco]

Thats great you could go down there and help, but personal devotion is no substitute for government intervention and strong public policy.

LMAO

[SonOfLe-loLang]

LMAO

I'm glad you find it so funny, but its also very true.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm glad you find it so funny, but its also very true.

Only in your mind. It's the devotion of people that make the world go round. Not government. You would have people so dependent on the governemnt that they don't know when to get out of town when a flood comes.

[Beantown Bronco]

I actually went down there and did misson work to help people.....

l got a news flash for you, Mother Teresa. Just because you spend most of your time in the missionary position.....it doesn't make you a missionary.

[Garcia Bronco]

l got a news flash for you, Mother Teresa. Just because you spend most of your time in the missionary position.....it doesn't make you a missionary.

LOL

[24champ]

Slick Willy made me laugh my ass off. Dude can still bull**** his way through a speech. Best Bull****er I have ever seen. LOL

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Only in your mind. It's the devotion of people that make the world go round. Not government. You would have people so dependent on the governemnt that they don't know when to get out of town when a flood comes.

Hey Captain America, i didn't say personal devotion was a bad thing, i said it wasnt a replacement for government and public policy. Its like asking a bunch of people to fight global warming by taking it upon themselves to recycle. Most people are sheep and wont do anything until they are told.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Slick Willy made me laugh my ass off. Dude can still bull**** his way through a speech. Best Bull****er I have ever seen. LOL

He's a great speaker. One of our most presidential presidents ever.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hey Captain America, i didn't say personal devotion was a bad thing, i said it wasnt a replacement for government and public policy. Its like asking a bunch of people to fight global warming by taking it upon themselves to recycle. Post people are sheep and wont do anything until they are told.

It's always the people. The governemnt is made of the people. And your disdain is evident by your language. You hate people or they don't live the way you want you try and use government to make them. It's why your idealogy is that of a tyrant. Much like the socialist NAZI's.

sic temper tyrannis

[Garcia Bronco]

He's a great speaker. One of our most presidential presidents ever.

While he wasn't the most Presidential, I love watching President Clinton speak.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Slick Willy made me laugh my ass off. Dude can still bull**** his way through a speech. Best Bull****er I have ever seen. LOL

When you compare the Bush years to the Clinton years, it becomes evident that a lot of people can't tell bullsh*t from reality these days.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hey, I'm not an employee of Diebold, I have no idea who you voted for.

I'm a staunch independent who is from a devoutly independent state, and I campaigned for the real McCain back in '00 against Bush in the NH primaries. I've got no party allegiances. I just look at the facts and the facts say that Obama is the single best candidate this country has seen in three decades.

As for you, well, if you consider yourself a moderate independent maybe you should reconsider the obvious bias you bring to this forum? Thats all we can gauge you on and 90% of the time you're either uninformed or parroting GOP talking points, knowing better or not.

As for Kennedy killing someone being a fact, 1. where is the proof? Something other than conjecture by a single other person who is in no way an expert. and 2. as I already said, getting in a car accident when drunk and not pulling a person out of a flooding car doesn't make you a murderer. Its manslaughter, entirely different violation. Still horrible, not its not like he tied cinder blocks to her feet and pushed the car into the river.

Thwaaaaack!

Knocked it out of the park, amigo. :thumbsup: ^5

[Spider]

Hey, I'm not an employee of Diebold, I have no idea who you voted for.

I'm a staunch independent who is from a devoutly independent state, and I campaigned for the real McCain back in '00 against Bush in the NH primaries. I've got no party allegiances. I just look at the facts and the facts say that Obama is the single best candidate this country has seen in three decades.

As for you, well, if you consider yourself a moderate independent maybe you should reconsider the obvious bias you bring to this forum? Thats all we can gauge you on and 90% of the time you're either uninformed or parroting GOP talking points, knowing better or not.

As for Kennedy killing someone being a fact, 1. where is the proof? Something other than conjecture by a single other person who is in no way an expert. and 2. as I already said, getting in a car accident when drunk and not pulling a person out of a flooding car doesn't make you a murderer. Its manslaughter, entirely different violation. Still horrible, not its not like he tied cinder blocks to her feet and pushed the car into the river.

Talk about slapping the plaque off of someones teeth .........

[spdirty]

When Champ picked off Brady in '05, we had the cameras shakin...this crowd ****in sucks, and I never thought Id say that about a mile high crowd.

[ant1999e]

Obama said it is Bush's fault I bought a house I can't afford and maxed out my credit cards. I knew it wasn't my responsibility.

[enjolras]

When Champ picked off Brady in '05, we had the cameras shakin...this crowd ****in sucks, and I never thought Id say that about a mile high crowd.

The cameras are mostly on the field. Not the ones from the normal camera perches (I haven't seen one shot from those actually).

I've heard cheers from my balcony, and I'm almost a mile away.

[spdirty]

just like clinton...talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk and never say anything. time to watch football.

[enjolras]

If you haven't heard him say anything its because your either to dumb or to close minded to hear it. He's laid out specifics. He's laid out plans. He's painted the difference between him and his opponent. Most of all, he's inspired.

It actually makes me feel a bit sorry for you that your to cynical to be inspired anymore.

[Bronco Jamus]

just like clinton...talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk and never say anything. time to watch football.


A bunch of ridiculous language, he still makes a strong case for election. He also talks about his plans, but no deep specfics. Much of it is in his ads and website.

[spdirty]

Their daughters look like little princesses. He and Michelle should be very proud.

[ant1999e]

He's a damn good speaker. Seriously, wow.:thumbsup:

[Spider]

I didnt watch ...... just like I wont watch the RNC , I watched a little bit last night , Same ole same , I did like the part where Obama Called mile high , mile high ..... I caught that channel surfing .... these conventions are for the lemmings ...... if I went down there , I probably would wind up punching someone in the throat , 1 major character flaw of mine , I can agree with someone , but if they get on my nerves I tell them so , next thing you know they are offended and try to offend me right back

[spdirty]

If you haven't heard him say anything its because your either to dumb or to close minded to hear it. He's laid out specifics. He's laid out plans. He's painted the difference between him and his opponent. Most of all, he's inspired.

It actually makes me feel a bit sorry for you that your to cynical to be inspired anymore.

did you faint?

[Broncosfreak_56]

Amazing speech.

[USAFBronco]

Very well put together speech. I like that he talked more about his plans, and gave basics about how he'll do it. details don't belong in a speech, they belong somewhere simple were people can access them.

I am still uncertain who I plan on voting for but to be honest, until now I didn't even phatom i'd actually be looking up Obamas plans finding more details, seeing if they'd actually work; I was one of those well both really suck I guess i'll go with McCain.

If he can actually back up his talk, and his ideas work out he could have a lot of potential. I have talked my girl friends ear off about the politcal change we need in washington, how we will never see an actual agent of change because the system doesn't allow outsiders, but tonight he had me thinking...


maybe

[ant1999e]

Did anyone catch the McCain commercial congratulating Obama tonight? I thought that was pretty cool.

[Garcia Bronco]

Did anyone catch the McCain commercial congratulating Obama tonight? I thought that was pretty cool.

I thought that was wierd. not the sentiment, but the way it came across.

[TailgateNut]

Did anyone catch the McCain commercial congratulating Obama tonight? I thought that was pretty cool.

Someone told him it was worth 3 Brownie points. Obama also patted McCain on the back for his service. Another Brownie Point moment.

[ScottXray]

I didnt watch ...... just like I wont watch the RNC , I watched a little bit last night , Same ole same , I did like the part where Obama Called mile high , mile high ..... I caught that channel surfing .... these conventions are for the lemmings ...... if I went down there , I probably would wind up punching someone in the throat , 1 major character flaw of mine , I can agree with someone , but if they get on my nerves I tell them so , next thing you know they are offended and try to offend me right backLOL LOL LOL Hilarious!