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broncofan7
08-23-2008, 12:43 PM
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) -- The New England Patriots need a lot more than the return of Tom Brady.

The team that was nearly perfect needs a defense that doesn't give up three drives of 70 yards or more and special teams that don't allow two kick returns for touchdowns -- all in the first half.

The Philadelphia Eagles did all that Friday night and won 27-17, a score that was closer than their domination of a team that was 18-0 before losing last season's Super Bowl but is 0-3 in exhibition games.

"I've only been here two games and things haven't been good," said Patriots safety John Lynch, who signed after being released by Denver. "I don't think you put too much stock on results, but we've still got to regroup."

Brady has yet to play in a game while nursing a right foot injury. Coach Bill Belichick wasn't asked about his condition, but it doesn't appear to be serious and the NFL MVP could be back for the season opener Sept. 7 against Kansas City.

The Eagles returned two kicks for touchdowns in the last 1:35 of the first half, Donovan McNabb led three long drives, and backup Kevin Kolb directed a 90-yard march to David Akers' second field goal on their opening series of the third quarter.

"My confidence comes from how the team feels and I think the team is really on a high right now," McNabb said.

After Akers' 24-yard field goal made it 27-3, Matt Cassel was done for the night after failing for the third straight game to show he deserved to remain as backup to Brady.

Cassel completed 8 of 14 passes for 60 yards and hasn't led a touchdown drive on any of his 15 series, although starting linemen Matt Light and Stephen Neal have been sidelined all three games. Cassel hobbled off after being sacked on his last play with about 10 minutes left in the third quarter.

Cassel did "some good things, some could have been done better," Belichick said. "Protection at times was a problem."

He gave Matt Gutierrez a better review after the second-year pro threw fourth-quarter touchdown passes of 1 yard to Chad Jackson and 6 yards to C.J. Jones against backups.

"Matt did a good job of leading the team," Belichick said of Gutierrez. "He hung in there well."

But, Gutierrez said, "one or two good plays weren't enough."

While Cassel, entering his fourth season, struggled, five-time Pro Bowler McNabb rebounded from an unproductive game to go 13-for-17 for 180 yards and a 7-yard touchdown pass to Jason Avant.

The Eagles (2-1) beat Carolina 24-13 in their previous game, although McNabb and the first-team offense were scoreless in six possessions on a wet, sloppy field.

"Last week was kind of mixed emotions because of the conditions and the weather," McNabb said. "We had several key mistakes so we were able to learn from that."

McNabb missed two games last season because of ankle and thumb injuries but led the Eagles to wins in their last three games that left them at 8-8 and out of the playoffs. He also missed some offseason practices with a shoulder injury.

Leading 10-0 Friday, he nearly threw a 7-yard scoring pass to Hank Baskett. But Belichick challenged, and replay officials ruled Baskett lost the ball before crossing the goal line and it went out of bounds, giving New England a touchback.

The Patriots managed a 35-yard field goal by Stephen Gostkowski on the next series -- with the big play a 47-yard gain on a defensive pass interference call.

Then it was the special teams' turn to collapse.

Quintin Demps returned the kickoff 101 yards for a touchdown that Patriots fullback Heath Evans took the blame for.

And when Cassel couldn't get a first down on the next possession, DeSean Jackson ran back Chris Hanson's punt 76 yards for another touchdown on the final play of the half, making it 24-3.
"The punter got a good kick and kind of outkicked his coverage," Jackson said.

Belichick threw his headset to the ground and bellowed at Hanson on the sideline. Had he punted out of bounds, the Eagles would have had time for no more than a play or two before halftime.

The Patriots could have another problem. Wes Welker, who tied for the NFL lead with 112 receptions last season, left with a rib injury in the second quarter and didn't return. The team did not comment on his condition.

Eagles right guard Shawn Andrews, who revealed recently that he has been diagnosed with clinical depression, played his first exhibition game.

"I was very pleased, with the exception of a couple of plays," he said. "I really feel like I'm close to where I need to be for the opener."

An early sign of the Patriots' futility came on their first offensive play when Randy Moss was thrown for a 5-yard loss on an end around. The tackler? Former Patriots Pro Bowl cornerback Asante Samuel, who signed a $58 million, six-year contract with the Eagles in the offseason.

"It was fun," Samuel said. "I have something to call him and joke about with him."

Now the Patriots have just one more game to get things straightened out before the regular season -- an exhibition against the Super Bowl champion Giants on Thursday night.

"I know one thing," Evans said. "We're a Bill Belichick-coached football team and we're going to find a way to get better."


AND 4 catches for 67 yards--I like Eddie but all of us will keep a close eye on this to see how it proceeds throughout the season. In addition, Royal will have Marshall as his partner on the outside while Jackson will not have a player of Brandon's caliber helping him out. IF Jackson continues to out produce Royal I will be a bit miffed...

Beantown Bronco
08-23-2008, 12:47 PM
I hope this is a joke.

Judging a guy by his special teams results....when he is relying of 10 other guys to actually do their jobs, which almost never seems to be the case....is just plain foolish.

elsid13
08-23-2008, 12:48 PM
Jackson also has major attuide problem and yet to show he can produce in the regular season. Shanahan made the right choice on draft day

BTW - John Lynch is plaing on PATS coverage teams. That never a good sign.

Meck77
08-23-2008, 12:49 PM
"I've only been here two games and things haven't been good," said Patriots safety John Lynch, who signed after being released by Denver. "I don't think you put too much stock on results, but we've still got to regroup."[/COLOR]

I didn't have a problem with the ole man leaving but it would be pretty sweet to see the wheels come off in NE this season.

Kaylore
08-23-2008, 12:49 PM
I'm miffed about our special teams and it has little to do with Royal. They played terrible last night. Cutler had to go 99 yards to score a touchdown. That's ridiculous to expect him to have to do that every game. Then our punt coverage was equally bad. I don't know what the answer is. We brought in a good ST coach but until Shanahan gets off his "only backups play special teams" policy, then our ST will always be at the bottom third of the league.

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 12:50 PM
I didn't have a problem with the ole man leaving but it would be pretty sweet to see the wheels come off in NE this season.

I agree with that whole heartedly.....

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 12:53 PM
I hope this is a joke.

Judging a guy by his special teams results....when he is relying of 10 other guys to actually do their jobs, which almost never seems to be the case....is just plain foolish.

no judging a guy by his ST production AND his performance as a receiver this preseason--Jackson has out produced Royal. Take off your Orange shaded glasses. Royal is NO slouch for a rookie but I feel that jackson was a more dangerous returner of the 2. If he turns into a solid WR in addition, Philly really has something

azbroncfan
08-23-2008, 12:54 PM
DeSean Jackson and E. Royal=0 returns since preseason doesn't count in the big picture.

elsid13
08-23-2008, 12:55 PM
I'm miffed about our special teams and it has little to do with Royal. They played terrible last night. Cutler had to go 99 yards to score a touchdown. That's ridiculous to expect him to have to do that every game. Then our punt coverage was equally bad. I don't know what the answer is. We brought in a good ST coach but until Shanahan gets off his "only backups play special teams" policy, then our ST will always be at the bottom third of the league.

The 99 yard drive was a result of great kick by GB punter then anything our ST did or didn't do. Overall it has been solid unit so far. Better field postion with the KO on both side of the ball.

Sassy
08-23-2008, 12:55 PM
"I've only been here two games and things haven't been good," said Patriots safety John Lynch, who signed after being released by Denver. "I don't think you put too much stock on results, but we've still got to regroup."

ROFL!

Broncojef
08-23-2008, 12:58 PM
no judging a guy by his ST production AND his performance as a receiver this preseason--Jackson has out produced Royal. Take off your Orange shaded glasses. Royal is NO slouch for a rookie but I feel that jackson was a more dangerous returner of the 2. If he turns into a solid WR in addition, Philly really has something

All I had to see was during the draft when they showed a pimped out gangsta looking Jackson looking like a complete thug with his shades on indoors around his family. Right then Royal became my adopt a Bronco, thank the good fricken Lord we didn't select that loser. I'll take a humble hard working real guy to cheer for over a thug any day of the year. Eddie is the man!!

TheChamp24
08-23-2008, 01:03 PM
Man, saying we should've picked someone else because he is playing well in preseason is hilarious. Thanks for the laughter!

skpac1001
08-23-2008, 01:05 PM
no judging a guy by his ST production AND his performance as a receiver this preseason--Jackson has out produced Royal. Take off your Orange shaded glasses. Royal is NO slouch for a rookie but I feel that jackson was a more dangerous returner of the 2. If he turns into a solid WR in addition, Philly really has something

I am not big on having a lot of character issue players on a young developing team like ours. Royal already acts like a classy vet and has outperformed expectations. I think Philly may have something, but I know we do.

DenverBrit
08-23-2008, 01:08 PM
:holyguac!

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:08 PM
Man, saying we should've picked someone else because he is playing well in preseason is hilarious. Thanks for the laughter!

makes a good topic for preseason talk, no?

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:12 PM
This reminds me of the comparison of Steven Jackson Vs DJ only these are players who actually play the same role/position. Does anyone really think that we would have not been better off drafting Steven Jackson? I hope that this is not another case of deja vu---players that were rumored to be going to denver, only to have the FO choose someone else--and to less benefit.

Play2win
08-23-2008, 01:12 PM
Jackson... Santana Moss 2.0 ?

Casino Royal... Steve Smith 2.0 ?

Spider
08-23-2008, 01:15 PM
I got to say I am impressed with Royal , last night was the first game I saw , but man he was getting off the LOS , running good routes etc .... i really couldnt see his blocking , but so far I would say royal is a damn good pick ......

HEAV
08-23-2008, 01:16 PM
Uggghhhhh It's F'n preseason. Lets talk about comparison's after the season.

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:21 PM
Uggghhhhh It's F'n preseason. Lets talk about comparison's after the season.

But then I can't post, "I told you so..." after we win our 3 Lombardi....despite a mediocre return game and little production form our 2nd WR:)

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:23 PM
Jackson... Santana Moss 2.0 ?

Casino Royal... Steve Smith 2.0 ?

If Royal turns into a 'Steve Smith-type' :1) I will be ecstatic! and 2) I will buy you a case of Coors and ship it to you.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-23-2008, 01:24 PM
Why are people even dignifying this retarded thread with responses?

Play2win
08-23-2008, 01:25 PM
I got to say I am impressed with Royal , last night was the first game I saw , but man he was getting off the LOS , running good routes etc .... i really couldnt see his blocking , but so far I would say royal is a damn good pick ......

How can you see anything through that fortress of BEER you were trying to peer through?!?


I, for one, couldn't see a damn thing... ;D

Northman
08-23-2008, 01:25 PM
Anytime you want to jump on the the Patriots bandwagon be my guest.

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 01:28 PM
I won't be keeping a close eye on this. Royal was drafted to be a WR and has already broken into the starting lineup. Desean Jackon, well he runs back punts and pretty much thats it sprinkled with some catches of course.

Play2win
08-23-2008, 01:29 PM
If Royal turns into a 'Steve Smith-type' :1) I will be ecstatic! and 2) I will buy you a case of Coors and ship it to you.

I AM drinking the Silver Bullet right now, as we speak (type)... ;D


BTW- thats why I added the "?'s"... the always consummate optimist that I am... 19-0 SuperBowl Bound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play2win
08-23-2008, 01:31 PM
I won't be keeping a close eye on this. Royal was drafted to be a WR and has already broken into the starting lineup. Desean Jackon, well he runs back punts and pretty much thats it sprinkled with some catches of course.

I hope they both do GREAT!! :thumbsup:

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:36 PM
I won't be keeping a close eye on this. Royal was drafted to be a WR and has already broken into the starting lineup. Desean Jackon, well he runs back punts and pretty much thats it sprinkled with some catches of course.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&season=2008&seasonType=PRE&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go


With the injury to Kevin Curtis, DeSean Jackson will probably start for PHI this year--he is 1st in the NFL this preseason with 16 catches and 2nd with 189 yards. He is far from being simply a return guy.

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 01:37 PM
Eddie Royal 2 DeSean Jackson 1. Thats the scoreboard for solid good games.

Northman
08-23-2008, 01:37 PM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&season=2008&seasonType=PRE&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go


With the injury to Kevin Curtis, DeSean Jackson will probably start for PHI this year--he is 1st in the NFL this preseason with 16 catches and 2nd with 189 yards. He is far from being simply a return guy.

Crown their asses.

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:38 PM
Crown their asses.

Crowned.

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 01:38 PM
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&season=2008&seasonType=PRE&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go


With the injury to Kevin Curtis, DeSean Jackson will probably start for PHI this year--he is 1st in the NFL this preseason with 16 catches and 2nd with 189 yards. He is far from being simply a return guy.

Oh ok one made the starting lineup by earning it. The other made it by default. Eddie 1 Jackson 0. :angel:

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:39 PM
Oh ok one made the starting lineup by earning it. The other made it by default. Eddie 1 Jackson 0. :angel:

ha, good one;)

Northman
08-23-2008, 01:41 PM
Oh ok one made the starting lineup by earning it. The other made it by default. Eddie 1 Jackson 0. :angel:

I swear there are too many idiots on this board.

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 01:46 PM
I swear there are too many idiots on this board.

and others who take themselves much too seriously....

4th Amigo
08-23-2008, 01:47 PM
Even if it is preseason and this type of conversation is especially pointless, I don't find it of any value anyway. Honestly what does it matter? We drafted ROYAL, not JACKSON. Even if Royal turns out to be a bust and Jackson a superstar, the only thing that will happen is a bunch of yahoo's saying "I told you so", which is pointless. So Royal is our man regardless, so I say let's just hope that the man we picked turns out ok........:thumbsup:

broncocalijohn
08-23-2008, 01:47 PM
Anytime you want to jump on the the Patriots bandwagon be my guest.

Uh, that would be the Eagles bandwagon sir.

Northman
08-23-2008, 01:49 PM
Uh, that would be the Eagles bandwagon sir.


Doesnt matter, get these wannabes out of here. They are cluttering up the board.

broncocalijohn
08-23-2008, 01:59 PM
Doesnt matter, get these wannabes out of here. They are cluttering up the board.

who cares? So some wanted him over Royal and now they are discussing it. Seems Jackson is having a great preseason and is outplaying our rookie. Big deal. What are you afraid of here in this thread?

Northman
08-23-2008, 02:05 PM
who cares? So some wanted him over Royal and now they are discussing it. Seems Jackson is having a great preseason and is outplaying our rookie. Big deal. What are you afraid of here in this thread?

Not afraid of anything. But when i see a stupid thread im going to call it like it is. If this jerkoff wants to revisit this thread when both players have actually played some regular season games and made something of themselves then let him knock himself out. Until then its a pointless and ****ing stupid thread.

broncofan7
08-23-2008, 02:22 PM
. If this jerkoff wants to revisit this thread .

go choke on a crabcake.

broncocalijohn
08-23-2008, 02:35 PM
But it is preseason! He or others cant speed up the clock so be thankful it is football talk and not the garden thread (which I very much like and growing some killer veggies!).

skpac1001
08-23-2008, 02:40 PM
go choke on a crabcake.

Wow, thats kinda creepy when you look at your post count. Don't eat any crab until his post count changes!

Edit: Broncofan7's post count has moved past 666. The danger has passed.

jsco70
08-23-2008, 02:41 PM
AND 4 catches for 67 yards--I like Eddie but all of us will keep a close eye on this to see how it proceeds throughout the season. In addition, Royal will have Marshall as his partner on the outside while Jackson will not have a player of Brandon's caliber helping him out. IF Jackson continues to out produce Royal I will be a bit miffed...

No offense, but why should we keep an eye on this? There's no point. Royal is Bronco, Jackson is an Eagle. Move on. Unless you're just sitting back waiting for an opportunity to bash a Shanahan draft pick. Seems pointless to me.

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 02:41 PM
I don't think Jackson is showing up Royal. They both are excelling. Both teams should be happy.

in.the.game
08-23-2008, 02:44 PM
1. shanny stated after drafting royal he thought he was the best receiver in the draft.

2. desean jackson is good as a dual threat

3. royal is beastly strong.

4. desean jackson is not.

5. royal is has strong character.

6. desean does not.

i could care less how many looks or catches jackson gets... regular season or preseason.

reality is we have far more threats on offense and options for jay to go to, so no... eddie probably won't get as many balls as jackson. but i think eddie can handle that, jackson on the other hand ???

Northman
08-23-2008, 02:49 PM
But it is preseason! He or others cant speed up the clock so be thankful it is football talk and not the garden thread (which I very much like and growing some killer veggies!).

Actually its about the same in substance. :giggle:

Northman
08-23-2008, 02:51 PM
Wow, thats kinda creepy when you look at your post count. Don't eat any crab until his post count changes!

Why? He's a poser. He's evil light, just not evil enough. a Crabcake does sound good right about now though.

KS Bronco
08-23-2008, 03:12 PM
I got to say I am impressed with Royal , last night was the first game I saw , but man he was getting off the LOS , running good routes etc .... i really couldnt see his blocking , but so far I would say royal is a damn good pick ......

could NOT agree more

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 03:16 PM
He needs to work on his blocking a little. A couple of times he needed to seal the edge by blocking the DE and whiffed on a few blocks. But he is getting better.

Atlas
08-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Jackson also has major attuide problem and yet to show he can produce in the regular season. Shanahan made the right choice on draft day

BTW - John Lynch is plaing on PATS coverage teams. That never a good sign.

You noticed that too. I couldn't believe Lynch was on punt coverage. He is so slow. He had the angle on the punt returner and he just couldn't make the tackle.

TonyR
08-23-2008, 05:56 PM
Oh ok one made the starting lineup by earning it. The other made it by default. Eddie 1 Jackson 0. :angel:

Hmm. How exactly did Royal earn it any more than Jackson?

Royal "earned it" because of Marshall's pending suspension, D Jackson's injury, and the fact that Keary Colbert is another FA whiff.

Jackson "earned it" because Kevin Curtis got hurt.

Both players are in there because of their good camps and their team's limited options.

elsid13
08-23-2008, 07:05 PM
You noticed that too. I couldn't believe Lynch was on punt coverage. He is so slow. He had the angle on the punt returner and he just couldn't make the tackle.

Shanahan made the right call. Lynch should have retired a gone into the booth.

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 07:09 PM
Hmm. How exactly did Royal earn it any more than Jackson?

Royal "earned it" because of Marshall's pending suspension, D Jackson's injury, and the fact that Keary Colbert is another FA whiff.

Jackson "earned it" because Kevin Curtis got hurt.

Both players are in there because of their good camps and their team's limited options.

Wrong, Shanny in an interview said Royal earned it. Not because D Jack is "hurt" but because Royal already has a superb grasp of the playbook and is making plays.

Bronx33
08-23-2008, 07:37 PM
You noticed that too. I couldn't believe Lynch was on punt coverage. He is so slow. He had the angle on the punt returner and he just couldn't make the tackle.


They need to justify his paycheck somehow.

broncofan2438
08-23-2008, 07:45 PM
I hope this is a joke.

Judging a guy by his special teams results....when he is relying of 10 other guys to actually do their jobs, which almost never seems to be the case....is just plain foolish.

Thats what I was thinking

Los Broncos
08-23-2008, 08:20 PM
Man the Eagles look really good.

Their defense has really improved.

Foochacho
08-23-2008, 08:24 PM
Broncofan7 after reading your posts I want to beat your face in with that case of coors you were talking about. F^ckin idiot:chairhit:

Broncosmang
08-23-2008, 08:34 PM
I won't be keeping a close eye on this. Royal was drafted to be a WR and has already broken into the starting lineup. Desean Jackon, well he runs back punts and pretty much thats it sprinkled with some catches of course.

Look I like Royal's long term potential, but you might want to check Jackson's stats he's been catching a lot of balls. He was also in the starting line up last night. At this point, I'd say it's a wash.

I don't know why we always have to take these comparisons personally. They're both good players.

Broncosmang
08-23-2008, 08:37 PM
You noticed that too. I couldn't believe Lynch was on punt coverage. He is so slow. He had the angle on the punt returner and he just couldn't make the tackle.

I'm amazed that he was on the punt team too. That said Jackson is a low 4.3 guy and not many people are going to catch him

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 08:45 PM
Look I like Royal's long term potential, but you might want to check Jackson's stats he's been catching a lot of balls. He was also in the starting line up last night. At this point, I'd say it's a wash.

I don't know why we always have to take these comparisons personally. They're both good players.

I am not making the comparison I have said they are both good. But Royal is better because A)He wears the Orange and Blue and B)He isn't a punk and works hard. Something everyone can get behind.

Dedhed
08-23-2008, 08:47 PM
Is Jackson starting at WR?

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 08:48 PM
Is Jackson starting at WR?

As of now, yes.

TonyR
08-23-2008, 09:57 PM
Wrong, Shanny in an interview said Royal earned it. Not because D Jack is "hurt" but because Royal already has a superb grasp of the playbook and is making plays.

You're missing the point. Clearly Jackson earned it, too. He's getting it done so clearly he, too, has a "grasp of the playbook and is making plays". In fact he's making more than Royal, just as he did in college.

Sure, Royal may turn out to be the better pick. Then again, he might not. But for you to declare that one guy earned it and the other didn't is incorrect. Try again.

theAPAOps5
08-23-2008, 09:59 PM
You are missing the point. I was taking a jab at the Italian Stallion Bronco7. Not Jackson with that. He knew it was friendly ribbing.

BroncoMan4ever
08-24-2008, 02:54 AM
AND 4 catches for 67 yards--I like Eddie but all of us will keep a close eye on this to see how it proceeds throughout the season. In addition, Royal will have Marshall as his partner on the outside while Jackson will not have a player of Brandon's caliber helping him out. IF Jackson continues to out produce Royal I will be a bit miffed...

i could care less what Jackson does in preseason or thre regular season. Jackson is an unproven rookie version if Chad Johnson. Good talent but otherwise a douchebag.
Royal is a young speedy slightly smaller version of Rod Smith. Great talent and great attitude.
I will gladly take Royal on this team over Jackson.

Also the numbers will be different as Jackson will be relied on to be a number 1 WR while Denver has Marshall as a legit number 1, they have the best slot WR in the game, a great pass catching TE, and receptions from the backfield.

Outside of Westbrook, Jackson is the Eagles main pass catcher.

Bronco X
08-24-2008, 03:13 AM
i could care less what Jackson does in preseason or thre regular season. Jackson is an unproven rookie version if Chad Johnson. Good talent but otherwise a douchebag.
Royal is a young speedy slightly smaller version of Rod Smith. Great talent and great attitude.
I will gladly take Royal on this team over Jackson.



The bolded statement shouldn't be overlooked. We already have one player who's got enough ability to be the best WR in the league, but we're all worried about him keeping his head on straight. So why people are getting caught up in the rigmarole over Jackson being potentially a bit more talented than Royal is something I can't wrap my head around. Royal is looking like a mighty fine pick too, it's not like we have a guy who has been showing nothing. I'm damn pleased getting a talented WR and return man that doesn't come attached with a ticking time bomb.

Foochacho
08-24-2008, 03:33 AM
After last nights preseason game Mesean Jackson is already asking for a new contract and is also changing his name to Diez(which is his jersey number in spanish).

I'll try to find the link

Broncosmang
08-24-2008, 09:01 AM
The bolded statement shouldn't be overlooked. We already have one player who's got enough ability to be the best WR in the league, but we're all worried about him keeping his head on straight. So why people are getting caught up in the rigmarole over Jackson being potentially a bit more talented than Royal is something I can't wrap my head around. Royal is looking like a mighty fine pick too, it's not like we have a guy who has been showing nothing. I'm damn pleased getting a talented WR and return man that doesn't come attached with a ticking time bomb.

I'm still trying to figure out why Jackson has been labeled such a character concern. Everyone knew going into the draft that the big rap on him was his size. Jerry Rice thinks enough of the kid to mentor him. I think a lot of assumptions have been made about him based on his slide down the board. I live in the Philly area and have heard nothing but good about him since he's been here.

elsid13
08-24-2008, 09:19 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why Jackson has been labeled such a character concern. Everyone knew going into the draft that the big rap on him was his size. Jerry Rice thinks enough of the kid to mentor him. I think a lot of assumptions have been made about him based on his slide down the board. I live in the Philly area and have heard nothing but good about him since he's been here.

Talk to BPC, he was at the on campus workouts and had in depth talk with the scouts/coaches about Jackson. He actually posted in detailed what happened in draft forum. Executive summary Jackson and his father are real pains in the ass when came to playing time and how coaches used him. Plus he came off with major attitude issues at tryouts, showing up late and with a posse.

Maybe the slide down the draft helped him. But it is preseason I think he going to have a hard time getting off the jam and running slant pass (staple pass play in WCO) across the middle. Royal looks like has the strength to break the CB press and efficiently block up field which is requirement to play WR in Denver.

broncofan7
08-24-2008, 09:56 AM
Broncofan7 after reading your posts I want to beat your face in with that case of coors you were talking about. F^ckin idiot:chairhit:

Go ahead and take a swing at me the next time you deliver my pizza.......and remember, I said hold the anchovies.-the only thing you beat is that pathetic cl*t hanging between your legs...how about you go back to your bedroom in your parent's house and turn on the Bravo channel so you can sort out the inner turmoil that you must have while watching shear genius or project runway. Maybe you can write the Bravo producers and convince them to have a show featuring your gender reassignment surgery.....

Foochacho
08-24-2008, 12:20 PM
How long did it take you to think of all that? I see you edited your post did you forget to add something? Your trying to hard and its showing. Don't make such stupid whiny posts about people we didn't draft and I won't have to murder you.

Foochacho
08-24-2008, 12:22 PM
by the way wtf is Bravo? i'm assuming it is some chick channel like lifetime if so why do you know so much about it's programming?

Spider
08-24-2008, 12:28 PM
Amateurs ...... here try this .....
Foo: Broncofan 7 , it is obvious that your dad jerked off into a flower pot , you are a blooming Idiot , dumb ass Tesican
Broncofan7: Foo dont be late with the Pizza , Cause if you are it is free for me and you have to pay for it , and I would hate to see you waste your life savings ..........

Foochacho
08-24-2008, 12:43 PM
E fights are gay they can go on forever with no end and the same **** spewed out over and over. Thats why I said hes trying to hard it's funny how cool some people think they are after typing **** on there computer. He tried so hard he had to edit his post to make it look perfect for everyone who was reading it. He didn't want all his hard work ruined by a misspelled word or punctuation. Or he had to add some other fag comment in there. He just needs to except the fact that I would like to beat his face in like I originally posted, nothing he can do about that it won't change.

Spider
08-24-2008, 12:48 PM
E fights are gay they can go on forever with no end and the same **** spewed out over and over. Thats why I said hes trying to hard it's funny how cool some people think they are after typing **** on there computer. He tried so hard he had to edit his post to make it look perfect for everyone who was reading it. He didn't want all his hard work ruined by a misspelled word or punctuation. Or he had to add some other fag comment in there. He just needs to except the fact that I would like to beat his face in like I originally posted, nothing he can do about that it won't change.
I see

broncofan7
08-24-2008, 12:51 PM
E fights are gay they can go on forever with no end and the same **** spewed out over and over. Thats why I said hes trying to hard it's funny how cool some people think they are after typing **** on there computer. He tried so hard he had to edit his post to make it look perfect for everyone who was reading it. He didn't want all his hard work ruined by a misspelled word or punctuation. Or he had to add some other fag comment in there. He just needs to except the fact that I would like to beat his face in like I originally posted, nothing he can do about that it won't change.

You are a douche bag of the highest order---please do not reproduce.

Spider
08-24-2008, 12:52 PM
Yankee vs Tesican ...... gotta love it

elsid13
08-24-2008, 01:26 PM
Yankee vs Tesican ...... gotta love it

I think it time to use your people skills and escalate it in to a Russia/Georgia conflict!

Spider
08-24-2008, 01:34 PM
I think it time to use your people skills and escalate it in to a Russia/Georgia conflict!

LOL Naw , that would be wrong

elsid13
08-24-2008, 01:41 PM
LOL Naw , that would be wrong

Why? You and I would enjoy it, who cares about our dancing monkeys

Spider
08-24-2008, 01:46 PM
Why? You and I would enjoy it, who cares about our dancing monkeys

Thats true , but the last thing I need is a rep as a trouble maker .........

elsid13
08-24-2008, 01:59 PM
Thats true , but the last thing I need is a rep as a trouble maker .........

Just punch someone in the throat that start such slander or we will just blame it on Pez.

Dagmar
08-24-2008, 02:03 PM
676 post rule.

Spider
08-24-2008, 02:03 PM
Just punch someone in the throat that start such slander or we will just blame it on Pez.

;D pez or hotrod

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 01:15 PM
Bump.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 01:18 PM
Royal still the better choice

rovolution
09-07-2008, 01:31 PM
though im happy with Eddie, Desean looks incredible out there. 100+ yrds receiving in his first NFL game.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 01:37 PM
Its a win win choice in my mind. Except Jackson has more and opportunity to **** up off the field.

Willynowei
09-07-2008, 02:09 PM
WHy don't we all get off desean's cock untill Eddy gets his chance monday night? He's had to beat out better players to earn his starting spot and he's about to get his chance to produce against Oakland's secondary next week, which say what you will - is light years ahead of anything St.Louis has put on the field in the past decade.

bronco0608
09-07-2008, 02:10 PM
Desean had a 47 yard reception and a 60 yard punt return.

That's ****ing awesome for his first NFL game.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 03:45 PM
6 catches 106 yards and a 60 yard punt return..I will revisit this thread after each game this season. I hope that Eddie out performs him, I REALLY do. But I have grown a little tired of the Broncos FO attempting to be 'smarter' than everyone else..........

Broncosmang
09-07-2008, 05:02 PM
I love Desean, but let's see if his puny body can handle an NFL season.

elsid13
09-07-2008, 05:38 PM
6 catches 106 yards and a 60 yard punt return..I will revisit this thread after each game this season. I hope that Eddie out performs him, I REALLY do. But I have grown a little tired of the Broncos FO attempting to be 'smarter' than everyone else..........

IT WAS ST. LOUIS ! They gave up over 500 yards of offense to Philly. I wouldn't be so sure that you're smarter then Shanahan and guys that do it for a living.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 05:40 PM
6 catches 106 yards and a 60 yard punt return..I will revisit this thread after each game this season. I hope that Eddie out performs him, I REALLY do. But I have grown a little tired of the Broncos FO attempting to be 'smarter' than everyone else..........

Dude because you think they are wrong doesn't make the Broncos FO wrong. :spit:

snowspot66
09-07-2008, 05:40 PM
6 catches 106 yards and a 60 yard punt return..I will revisit this thread after each game this season. I hope that Eddie out performs him, I REALLY do. But I have grown a little tired of the Broncos FO attempting to be 'smarter' than everyone else..........

One game does not a great player make. He's also still got punk ass bitch big ego problems.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 05:40 PM
Its called Madden selective memory. The guy is a punk. But people quickly forget that.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 05:48 PM
IT WAS ST. LOUIS ! They gave up over 500 yards of offense to Philly. I wouldn't be so sure that you're smarter then Shanahan and guys that do it for a living.

If I was the only person who felt that way about Desean Jackson, and not other draftniks/scouts you would have a valid point, but SINCE THAT WAS NOT THE CASE, YOU HAVE NO POINT.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 05:49 PM
If I was the only person who felt that way about Desean Jackson, and not other draftniks/scouts you would have a valid point, but SINCE THAT WAS NOT THE CASE, YOU HAVE NO POINT.

HAHAHAA YOU say you have a point because Draftnicks think Jackson was the best. The same people who said Ryan Leaf was a lock. I can't believe you are resorting to Draft Guru's pimping him.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 05:50 PM
One game does not a great player make. He's also still got punk ass b**** big ego problems.

I agree that his reputation led some to have questions about him translating to a solid professional career, but that is a risk worth taking and Philly will be rewarded for that. His upside, when projected to be a 1st round pick is certainly worth a second rounder.

rovolution
09-07-2008, 05:52 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a97360

watch this highlight.

Desean made some sick nasty catches.


but im still excited for Eddie as well. Everyone here seems to forget the sick nasty catch Eddie made against the Crapboys in the preaseason

Jens1893
09-07-2008, 05:53 PM
I agree that his reputation led some to have questions about him translating to a solid professional career, but that is a risk worth taking and Philly will be rewarded for that. His upside, when projected to be a 1st round pick is certainly worth a second rounder.

The draft nicks had us taking Chad Jackson at 15 overall in 2006. The Patriots drafted him in the 2nd and now he is out of the NFL.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 05:53 PM
Its not a matter of Jackson sucks. Its that Royal was just as good a choice for Denver. If people haven't gotten a clue this team won't take chances on questionable people anymore. Marshall is the last one with character issues.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 05:53 PM
HAHAHAA YOU say you have a point because Draftnicks think Jackson was the best. The same people who said Ryan Leaf was a lock. I can't believe you are resorting to Draft Guru's pimping him.

You cannot win the argument that Jackson was more highly rated than Royal, he was, so stop wasting keystrokes.......

Br0nc0Buster
09-07-2008, 05:56 PM
I was glad we took Royal over Jackson, and I still like Royal.

But man Jackson has been a flat out stud so far, which is suprising because I figured he would be another Antwan Randle El

Doggcow
09-07-2008, 05:56 PM
You cannot win the argument that Jackson was more highly rated than Royal, he was, so stop wasting keystrokes.......

I think Royal was drafted over Jackson because of his Blocking skills. When it comes down to it I'd rather have a guy that can hold a block than one that gets a few big plays against a really ****ty St. Louis team.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 05:58 PM
The draft nicks had us taking Chad Jackson at 15 overall in 2006. The Patriots drafted him in the 2nd and now he is out of the NFL.

Chad Jackson and others......So you are comparing Desean Jackson, who had almost 200 all purpose yards today with someone who missed his rookie year and didn't see the field last year..I see your point.......notsofast

This is a comparison of 2 players of similar skills sets, with one more highly regarded than the other, and the fact that we chose the lesser regarded of the two with the HIGHER choice as compared to the team that picked the more highly regarded player.......

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 05:59 PM
I think Royal was drafted over Jackson because of his Blocking skills. When it comes down to it I'd rather have a guy that can hold a block than one that gets a few big plays against a really ****ty St. Louis team.

He did it all preseason, including a punt return TD against NE. He is the REAL DEAL.

Inkana7
09-07-2008, 06:00 PM
No, he isn't.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 06:02 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a97360

watch this highlight.

Desean made some sick nasty catches.


but im still excited for Eddie as well. Everyone here seems to forget the sick nasty catch Eddie made against the Crapboys in the preaseason

I agree, Royal is a solid player,but he is not as explosive. I had no idea that DeSean would be consistent AND explosive this early in his career. I figured he would be good for a ST TD or two this year and an able 3rd WR. But he has really stood out. I hope that Eddie has 2 TDs and 150 yards tomorrow night to shut me up.......

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 06:18 PM
You talk like Royal did nothing in the preseason. But in an Shanny system not only did he grasp the playbook but he made plays and blocked on running downs.

I am going to go ahead and call it. Jackson becomes this boards next Ed Reed.

broncofan7
09-07-2008, 07:03 PM
You talk like Royal did nothing in the preseason. But in an Shanny system not only did he grasp the playbook but he made plays and blocked on running downs.

I am going to go ahead and call it. Jackson becomes this boards next Ed Reed.

The HUGE difference is that Royal and Jackson play the same position and fill the same skills set needs--explosion at the WR/KR/PR positions ,whereas Ass-ley and Reed did not. I bet that I was not the only Bronco' fan miffed on draft day when we passed Jackson for Royal..hopefully, Eddie proves us wrong.

theAPAOps5
09-07-2008, 07:12 PM
I was confused but I thanked God they didn't drafted Jackson. Too many questions with that cat. Royal obviously will never be anything in your eyes but I bet he becomes a great WR for Denver.

2KBack
09-07-2008, 07:16 PM
The HUGE difference is that Royal and Jackson play the same position and fill the same skills set needs--explosion at the WR/KR/PR positions ,whereas Ass-ley and Reed did not. I bet that I was not the only Bronco' fan miffed on draft day when we passed Jackson for Royal..hopefully, Eddie proves us wrong.

you seem to be the only one on this board.

Dedhed
09-07-2008, 07:19 PM
I had no idea that DeSean would be consistent AND explosive this early in his career.

I think talking about consistency through one game is a little silly.

CasinoRoyal
09-07-2008, 08:29 PM
get a grip why the **** are people making it personal that we took royal over jackson....big ****ing deal.

both will be great players. i enjoyed seeing fraction jackson light it up today.

will enjoy eddie royal doing the same even more.

SoCalBronco
09-07-2008, 08:31 PM
The draft nicks had us taking Chad Jackson at 15 overall in 2006. The Patriots drafted him in the 2nd and now he is out of the NFL.

Some of us were calling him a pussy back then (baseball slide in bowl game to avoid a hit) and wanted no part of him.

Northman
09-07-2008, 08:32 PM
I was confused but I thanked God they didn't drafted Jackson. Too many questions with that cat. Royal obviously will never be anything in your eyes but I bet he becomes a great WR for Denver.

Yea, to my knowledge he had some off the field issues they may have been a factor in us passing him up. Never the less, Royal will do and be fine. If people want to jump on Jackson's jock then let them.

ANIMAL24
09-07-2008, 08:38 PM
ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! we shoulda took them both lol

want2bAbronco2
09-07-2008, 08:53 PM
Im happy with Royal so far. But I will say I was pissed when we took him over D.Jackson (of course I would have been mad with that pick too, when we needed a Mlb and SS).

Los Broncos
09-07-2008, 09:36 PM
It will be interesting to see how Royal plays v good corners on MNF.

epicSocialism4tw
09-07-2008, 10:53 PM
Its not a matter of Jackson sucks. Its that Royal was just as good a choice for Denver. If people haven't gotten a clue this team won't take chances on questionable people anymore. Marshall is the last one with character issues.

I think that this take is underappreciated.

DeSean is a budding problem by all indications.

All that Shanahan needs is a running buddy for Marshall that accompanies him through every aspect of team responsibilities.

Javalon
09-08-2008, 12:15 AM
6 catches 106 yards and a 60 yard punt return..I will revisit this thread after each game this season. I hope that Eddie out performs him, I REALLY do. But I have grown a little tired of the Broncos FO attempting to be 'smarter' than everyone else..........

I'm pretty certain this thread won't cure the front office of any perceived ills. :)


Nice game by Jackson. But even if he has a huge season I doubt I'll that the Broncos drafted Royal. He has talent and is the kind of player you pull for. Here's hoping he fulfills our expectations for him.

Jetmeck
09-08-2008, 12:31 AM
Not taking guys lacking good judgement in their personal life is a good thing. But picking second teamers from other teams and expecting them to start is another issue.
I know of three of them just this year.

I'll gamble on the lack of character guy with above average talent versus the solid citizen with average talent.
You pay either way and from the looks of things we got more playing time out of the lack of charcter ones, so far anyway. I guess we'll see.

Doggcow
09-08-2008, 08:28 PM
I'd like to be the one to bump this and say **** YOU BRO YOU ARE WRONG

Garcia Bronco
09-08-2008, 08:29 PM
Hokies!!!!!

2KBack
09-08-2008, 08:30 PM
beat me to the bump

Popcorn Sutton
09-08-2008, 09:25 PM
OK, I'm a believer.... Eddie is a baller!!!!!

broncos-rock
09-08-2008, 09:26 PM
DeAngelo Hall is Eddies Bitch

Doggcow
09-08-2008, 09:27 PM
hahahahahaha, when's he gonna come eat some crow?

lod01
09-08-2008, 09:30 PM
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (AP) -- The New England Patriots need a lot more than the return of Tom Brady.

The team that was nearly perfect needs a defense that doesn't give up three drives of 70 yards or more and special teams that don't allow two kick returns for touchdowns -- all in the first half.

The Philadelphia Eagles did all that Friday night and won 27-17, a score that was closer than their domination of a team that was 18-0 before losing last season's Super Bowl but is 0-3 in exhibition games.

"I've only been here two games and things haven't been good," said Patriots safety John Lynch, who signed after being released by Denver. "I don't think you put too much stock on results, but we've still got to regroup."

Brady has yet to play in a game while nursing a right foot injury. Coach Bill Belichick wasn't asked about his condition, but it doesn't appear to be serious and the NFL MVP could be back for the season opener Sept. 7 against Kansas City.

The Eagles returned two kicks for touchdowns in the last 1:35 of the first half, Donovan McNabb led three long drives, and backup Kevin Kolb directed a 90-yard march to David Akers' second field goal on their opening series of the third quarter.

"My confidence comes from how the team feels and I think the team is really on a high right now," McNabb said.

After Akers' 24-yard field goal made it 27-3, Matt Cassel was done for the night after failing for the third straight game to show he deserved to remain as backup to Brady.

Cassel completed 8 of 14 passes for 60 yards and hasn't led a touchdown drive on any of his 15 series, although starting linemen Matt Light and Stephen Neal have been sidelined all three games. Cassel hobbled off after being sacked on his last play with about 10 minutes left in the third quarter.

Cassel did "some good things, some could have been done better," Belichick said. "Protection at times was a problem."

He gave Matt Gutierrez a better review after the second-year pro threw fourth-quarter touchdown passes of 1 yard to Chad Jackson and 6 yards to C.J. Jones against backups.

"Matt did a good job of leading the team," Belichick said of Gutierrez. "He hung in there well."

But, Gutierrez said, "one or two good plays weren't enough."

While Cassel, entering his fourth season, struggled, five-time Pro Bowler McNabb rebounded from an unproductive game to go 13-for-17 for 180 yards and a 7-yard touchdown pass to Jason Avant.

The Eagles (2-1) beat Carolina 24-13 in their previous game, although McNabb and the first-team offense were scoreless in six possessions on a wet, sloppy field.

"Last week was kind of mixed emotions because of the conditions and the weather," McNabb said. "We had several key mistakes so we were able to learn from that."

McNabb missed two games last season because of ankle and thumb injuries but led the Eagles to wins in their last three games that left them at 8-8 and out of the playoffs. He also missed some offseason practices with a shoulder injury.

Leading 10-0 Friday, he nearly threw a 7-yard scoring pass to Hank Baskett. But Belichick challenged, and replay officials ruled Baskett lost the ball before crossing the goal line and it went out of bounds, giving New England a touchback.

The Patriots managed a 35-yard field goal by Stephen Gostkowski on the next series -- with the big play a 47-yard gain on a defensive pass interference call.

Then it was the special teams' turn to collapse.

Quintin Demps returned the kickoff 101 yards for a touchdown that Patriots fullback Heath Evans took the blame for.

And when Cassel couldn't get a first down on the next possession, DeSean Jackson ran back Chris Hanson's punt 76 yards for another touchdown on the final play of the half, making it 24-3.
"The punter got a good kick and kind of outkicked his coverage," Jackson said.

Belichick threw his headset to the ground and bellowed at Hanson on the sideline. Had he punted out of bounds, the Eagles would have had time for no more than a play or two before halftime.

The Patriots could have another problem. Wes Welker, who tied for the NFL lead with 112 receptions last season, left with a rib injury in the second quarter and didn't return. The team did not comment on his condition.

Eagles right guard Shawn Andrews, who revealed recently that he has been diagnosed with clinical depression, played his first exhibition game.

"I was very pleased, with the exception of a couple of plays," he said. "I really feel like I'm close to where I need to be for the opener."

An early sign of the Patriots' futility came on their first offensive play when Randy Moss was thrown for a 5-yard loss on an end around. The tackler? Former Patriots Pro Bowl cornerback Asante Samuel, who signed a $58 million, six-year contract with the Eagles in the offseason.

"It was fun," Samuel said. "I have something to call him and joke about with him."

Now the Patriots have just one more game to get things straightened out before the regular season -- an exhibition against the Super Bowl champion Giants on Thursday night.

"I know one thing," Evans said. "We're a Bill Belichick-coached football team and we're going to find a way to get better."


AND 4 catches for 67 yards--I like Eddie but all of us will keep a close eye on this to see how it proceeds throughout the season. In addition, Royal will have Marshall as his partner on the outside while Jackson will not have a player of Brandon's caliber helping him out. IF Jackson continues to out produce Royal I will be a bit miffed...

You really need to go away because you have zero ability to judge WR talent. I have both Marshall and Royal on my FFL dynasty team because I do know WR talent when I see it.

broncofan7
09-08-2008, 09:48 PM
hahahahahaha, when's he gonna come eat some crow?

I prefer my crow lightly seasoned with a lil' shake n' bake. Royal is owning both of Oaklands corners--he looks GREAT. I could have used him on my fantasy team this weekend.

theAPAOps5
09-08-2008, 09:48 PM
I hope Broncofan7 shuts the **** up about this now. I think we got THE better player. Can a mod lock this thread now.

broncofan7
09-08-2008, 09:49 PM
You really need to go away because you have zero ability to judge WR talent. I have both Marshall and Royal on my FFL dynasty team because I do know WR talent when I see it.

STFU--both Jackson and Royal are quality players--I stated that. My question was whether or not we drafted the more explosive & consistent one.

broncofan7
09-08-2008, 09:51 PM
I'd like to be the one to bump this and say **** YOU BRO YOU ARE WRONG

well perhpas I was --but their is no need to say **** you--So go suck my long italian dick doggcow.

SureShot
09-08-2008, 09:51 PM
I hope Broncofan7 shuts the **** up about this now. I think we got THE better player. Can a mod lock this thread now.

For those that wanted Captain Sunglasses aka Mesean can eat a ****. Royal is the whole package without the prima donna.

broncos-rock
09-08-2008, 09:52 PM
and we all can see the answer lock the thread

rovolution
09-08-2008, 09:55 PM
Looks like its just as i predicted!!1


Eddie is making his own badass plays as well!!!1


BTW Eddie is light years ahead of desean when it comes to route running.


Hes running routes out there like a 10 year veteran.

broncofan7
09-08-2008, 09:58 PM
Looks like its just as i predicted!!1


Eddie is making his own badass plays as well!!!1


BTW Eddie is light years ahead of desean when it comes to route running.


Hes running routes out there like a 10 year veteran.

He does look very fluid and Crisp--the way he shook Nmandi was amazing. He has that 2 yard radius quickness that cannot be taught--Desean is more of a leaner/diagonal whereas eddie can stop and start on a dime. As i wrote earlier..I like my crow lightly seasoned with a lil shake n bake! Eddie is the MAN!

theAPAOps5
09-08-2008, 09:58 PM
Sore loser. ;D

theAPAOps5
09-08-2008, 09:59 PM
Glad you took your licks. They are both amazing players!

SureShot
09-08-2008, 10:00 PM
Too bad Draftbustahan can't draft.

KS Bronco
09-08-2008, 10:19 PM
royal is sitting on my fantasy bench, but cutler is LIGHTING IT UP for me!

socalorado
09-08-2008, 10:32 PM
STFU--both Jackson and Royal are quality players--I stated that. My question was whether or not we drafted the more explosive & consistent one.

NO. "ME"sean is a a$$clown off the field. Hes the next problem player in the NFL and his stupid antics at CAL prove that.
Thats the real reason Shanny passed on him. he is very talented, but well, thats all mute now huh.

broncofan2438
09-08-2008, 10:37 PM
Eddie, Eddie, Eddie!

Doggcow
09-08-2008, 10:49 PM
God royal is the real deal. He is the next steve smith. He's annihilating the fabled Raiders secondary that was supposed to be so good!

Clockwork Orange
09-08-2008, 10:54 PM
Eddie Royal made DeAngelo Williams look like the rookie out there. That was shades of Eddie Mac vs Shawn Springs.

Kid is a player.

Merlin
09-08-2008, 10:57 PM
And this is a clear example why people should STFU and not let their hate rule their intellect until the games have been played. There really is no comparison between the 2 WR from what we could see in just their first game in the season, and Eddie facing by FAR the more difficult competition.

Gcver2ver3
09-08-2008, 11:27 PM
AND 4 catches for 67 yards--I like Eddie but all of us will keep a close eye on this to see how it proceeds throughout the season. In addition, Royal will have Marshall as his partner on the outside while Jackson will not have a player of Brandon's caliber helping him out. IF Jackson continues to out produce Royal I will be a bit miffed...[/COLOR]





best performance of ANY wr in week 1...

what's the score now?...

TallyBronco
09-08-2008, 11:27 PM
well perhpas I was --but their is no need to say **** you--So go suck my long italian dick doggcow.

:welcome: Glad to see it hurts so bad. Probably a familiar feeling, though.

lookin' glass
09-08-2008, 11:27 PM
The major SF radio station was interviewing a guy today who was asked about the Cal bears for this up coming season. He said they would be very good. More cohesive. They asked him why more cohesive and he said Jackson was a big disruption last year. That pretty much sums up what many have already said and why he passed up.

bronco0608
09-08-2008, 11:32 PM
Shanahan has NOT been in control of our last three drafts. No ****ing way.

You don't go from being the worst drafting team in the league to, arguably, the best. YOU JUST DONT!

clint7
09-08-2008, 11:33 PM
FU to whoever started this thread. FU! And before I forget...while drunk..FU!

:charge:

CasinoRoyal
09-08-2008, 11:51 PM
since i pretty much called this shyt.....

The only differance between jackson and royal is royal runs routes like hes been int he league for 5 years....

Jackson is still damn good but hes years away in running routes like royal

16slayer24
09-09-2008, 12:04 AM
royal looked reat but jus a guess he sees the ball way less next game sme marshall guy be seein it alot royal is good but not the beast marshal is

broncofan7
09-09-2008, 05:59 AM
:welcome: Glad to see it hurts so bad. Probably a familiar feeling, though.

a familiar feeling? I am wrong every now and then and not too proud to admit as such..but did you not see my earlier post where I 'ate crow'? So really your post is as worthless as you..........

maher_tyler
09-09-2008, 06:10 AM
royal looked reat but jus a guess he sees the ball way less next game sme marshall guy be seein it alot royal is good but not the beast marshal is

yea looks like we'll have a nice problem on offense...damn we're stacked at WR!!

broncofan7
09-09-2008, 06:22 AM
yea looks like we'll have a nice problem on offense...damn we're stacked at WR!!

can you imagine weddle, cromartie and the rest ****ting their pants right now--I am sure that they planned on doubling Marshall before last night. Now we go three wides and we will have the flats wide open all freakin day as they try to stop Brandon and Eddie. With the Sd safeties having to help out on the outside the Running game, Scheff and Hillis could have VERY big days. It all depends on if our defense can get off of the field next week.

broncofan7
09-09-2008, 06:33 AM
since i pretty much called this shyt.....

The only differance between jackson and royal is royal runs routes like hes been int he league for 5 years....

Jackson is still damn good but hes years away in running routes like royal

you did! I give you major credit...

ANIMAL24
09-09-2008, 06:46 AM
i love me some royal treatment... wow

TallyBronco
09-09-2008, 07:12 AM
a familiar feeling? I am wrong every now and then and not too proud to admit as such..but did you not see my earlier post where I 'ate crow'? So really your post is as worthless as you..........

Wow, that's some welt you got there. Big, round, and red. One on each cheek. Did you get your a** kicked?

broncofan7
09-09-2008, 07:13 AM
Wow, that's some welt you got there. Big, round, and red. One on each cheek. Did you get your a** kicked?

So really your post(s) is(are) as worthless as you

Kaylore
09-09-2008, 08:46 AM
This thread is full of fail.

Spider
09-09-2008, 08:49 AM
This thread is full of fail.

I wasnt even going to open it , until I saw you post ............

Doggcow
09-15-2008, 06:47 PM
Bump for DeSean dropping an easy pass. That would have cost us the game yesterday if it was the TD.

Doggcow
09-15-2008, 06:49 PM
On 3rd down on the 10 no less.

theAPAOps5
09-15-2008, 06:49 PM
Broncofan7 I would just delete this thread as its going get bumped pretty much every week.

Cito Pelon
09-15-2008, 06:52 PM
Well, Desean is on MNF, so we'll see how they compare for this week anyway

broncofan7
09-15-2008, 07:12 PM
hahaha--I will take my medicine:) I am actually looking for an authentic Jerry Rice Jersey so I can change the name plate on it;) Royal has me thoroughly convinced that I was DEAD wrong.

DBroncos4life
09-15-2008, 07:16 PM
Royal is a bust I mean he was drafted to fix our return game and it still sucks.

2KBack
09-15-2008, 07:22 PM
Royal is a bust I mean he was drafted to fix our return game and it still sucks.

you have to force punts before you can return them

broncofan7
09-15-2008, 07:26 PM
you have to force punts before you can return them

ha;) QFT

DBroncos4life
09-15-2008, 07:27 PM
you have to force punts before you can return them

put him in on kickoffs then.

sixtimeseight
09-15-2008, 07:31 PM
put him in on kickoffs then.

I agree with this. Aldridge or Hall or whoever they're putting back there isn't getting the job done.

theAPAOps5
09-15-2008, 07:48 PM
Ha Jackson just tossed the ball before scoring the TD. This might be another blown whistle call.

Garcia Bronco
09-15-2008, 07:49 PM
I don't care what the call is, and they haven't made it yet, but that was as boneheaded as it gets.

DivineBronco
09-15-2008, 07:50 PM
and that right there is all anyone will ever need to know about Jackson....how freakin selfish

Garcia Bronco
09-15-2008, 07:51 PM
End of thread

SureShot
09-15-2008, 07:52 PM
LOL @ You Mesean fans

TheChamp24
09-15-2008, 07:52 PM
wow, that was a freakin horrible play by Jackon.
a huge IDIOT my god.

broncofan7
09-15-2008, 07:53 PM
My god--what an arrogant play---plus it hurts my fantasy team!

DBroncos4life
09-15-2008, 07:53 PM
And we didn't draft this guy?

theAPAOps5
09-15-2008, 07:54 PM
Lock.The.Thread

gyldenlove
09-15-2008, 07:55 PM
Ha Jackson just tossed the ball before scoring the TD. This might be another blown whistle call.

At least he didn't toss the salad.

Doggcow
09-15-2008, 08:00 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha, this thread is magical

The MVPlaya
09-15-2008, 08:07 PM
Royal is too good of a WR to be put on KR... we do need a bigger threat there though.

Fusionfrontman
09-15-2008, 08:09 PM
that was gay...what an idiot

Broncos24
09-15-2008, 08:09 PM
and that right there is all anyone will ever need to know about Jackson....how freakin selfish

Agree. In terms of talent I think Royal is better and in terms of Charater there's nothing to compare. I think we are in a good direction drafting high character guys.

watermock
09-15-2008, 08:30 PM
Eddie Rock...Mr. Clutch.

Sassy
09-15-2008, 08:48 PM
That was freakin' hilarious!

DeSean 0 Eddie 2 LOL!
(and that's just this week!) ;D

What an idiot.
I've never seen royal even do a freaky dance either!
Eddie Royal=Clutch 2 pt. conversion to win the game with 3 defenders on him...and laying in the endzone enjoying the moment...
DeSean Jackson=freaky dance then realizes he drops the ball before he gets to the endzone.
Tell me Bronco fans...who would you rather have?

Northman
09-15-2008, 09:00 PM
If there was anything more moronic then Jackson showboating and throwing the ball away before he even reaches the endzone is the idiocy of the Cowboy defenders not even catching it and letting the ball sit there. Never the less, this puts and end to who is more valuable and the more intelligent player. Sorry Meshean fans, Ill take the guy we got every time. No CONTEST.

Dukes
09-15-2008, 09:03 PM
Atleast this discussion is over.

epicSocialism4tw
09-15-2008, 09:31 PM
If there was anything more moronic then Jackson showboating and throwing the ball away before he even reaches the endzone is the idiocy of the Cowboy defenders not even catching it and letting the ball sit there. Never the less, this puts and end to who is more valuable and the more intelligent player. Sorry Meshean fans, Ill take the guy we got every time. No CONTEST.

No doubt.

DeSean is a showboating loon far beyond what we want on this team.

Gcver2ver3
09-15-2008, 09:36 PM
Atleast this discussion is over.

well personally i'd take Royal...as most all of us here would...

but to DeSean's credit, he has back to back 100 yd receiving games to open the season...

i'm not sure anybody expected him to do that...

Paladin
09-15-2008, 11:06 PM
Question: Who freakiing cares?

Malcontent
09-15-2008, 11:08 PM
Question: Who freakiing cares?

Suhweeeet answer!Ha!

BowlenBall
09-16-2008, 02:14 AM
While I'm as much of a homer as anyone else on this board, I think the Royal / Jackson "who's better" argument is still too close to call.

Eddie Royal has already succeeded beyond our wildest dreams -- he was instrumental in both victories, and and has already proven that he's a clutch player who can make the big catch when the game is on the line -- twice! Also, he seems like a great teammate and role model as well.

On the other hand, DeSean Jackson is the first receiver in 68 years to have 100+ yards in each of his first two games. Also, he was pretty electrifying on returns in game one. On the down side, he looked like quite an idiot on the would-be touchdown last night -- so give the locker room edge to Royal for now.

The bigger question is -- why didn't we trade up/down for another 2nd round pick, so that we could have drafted them both? Now THAT would have been a coup.

CasinoRoyal
09-16-2008, 02:16 AM
Its not even the Broncos problem.

Who the **** cares...........

no-pseudo-fan
09-16-2008, 06:45 AM
Desean cost me my Fantasy Football game this week. I was playing again someone who had Westbrook, I had a huge lead, just needed Westbrook contained. That play gave Westbrook the chance for a 1 yd TD run, and I end up losing by one.

Anyway, Royal is the man. Jackson would be a third WR if not for injuries to the Eagles WR core.

Beantown Bronco
09-16-2008, 07:39 AM
that was gay...

the play......or your avatar?

NaptownChief
09-16-2008, 09:06 AM
DeSean's nickname should be DeSean "Simple Jack"son.

Anybody who has seen Tropic Thunder will appreciate it.

Punisher
09-16-2008, 09:19 AM
In this years draft i wanted the broncos to either get Royal,Sweed or Jackson I'm glad we made the best choice....

Smiling Assassin27
09-16-2008, 09:59 AM
on a side note from jackson, props to romo on his post game interview with suzi kolber. she asks him the most idiotic question, 'how did it feel to put your team in such a spot with the fumble in the endzone?'

romo gives her a 'what are you, a moron?' look and says, 'uh, it was bad. very bad.

kolber, undaunted, then asks how it felt to pull the win out after that and romo gives her 'the look' again and says, 'it was cool.'...as much as i think he's the next danny white, i gotta give him props on that one.

Man-Goblin
09-16-2008, 11:13 AM
"Desean Jackson's infamous fumble at the high school all-american game"

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gyldenlove
09-16-2008, 11:49 AM
"Desean Jackson's infamous fumble at the high school all-american game"

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Most people would have learned from a mistake like that, but I guess when you are stupid enough to make that mistake in the first place it is too much to ask that you learn anything.

Doggcow
09-29-2008, 11:34 AM
Bump!

He had an awesome muffed punt last night!

TheReverend
09-29-2008, 11:57 AM
Bump!

He had an awesome muffed punt last night!

And ran the wrong route causing an INT.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Jackson is playing well. HAve to admit it.

Doggcow
09-29-2008, 12:14 PM
Jackson is playing well. HAve to admit it.

No. McNabb is playing phenomenal. That TD to Jackson should never have been thrown. It was like quadruple coverage and he somehow got it in the tiniest window I've ever seen.

Garcia Bronco
09-29-2008, 12:17 PM
No. McNabb is playing phenomenal. That TD to Jackson should never have been thrown. It was like quadruple coverage and he somehow got it in the tiniest window I've ever seen.

He still made the play.

gyldenlove
09-29-2008, 01:14 PM
He still made the play.

He was supposed to make that play, when the ball is placed spot on a WR has to catch it.

Cito Pelon
09-29-2008, 01:50 PM
Let's see:

Jackson 22 receptions, 327 yds, 14.9 avg, 82 ypg, 12 FD's, 1 TD, one stupid fumble, 16 PR's 157 yds.

Royal 27 receptions, 298 yds, 11.8 avg, 74.5 ypg, 12 FD's, 3 TD, 5 PR's 83 yds.

Pretty stupid for people to make an ass out of themselves and denigrate Jackson. It's amazing how people make asses out of themselves trying to denigrate a player just because he's not a Bronco.

Doggcow
09-29-2008, 02:11 PM
Let's see:

Jackson 22 receptions, 327 yds, 14.9 avg, 82 ypg, 12 FD's, 1 TD, one stupid fumble, 16 PR's 157 yds. +1 muffed punt, blown rout resulting in an int

Royal 27 receptions, 298 yds, 11.8 avg, 74.5 ypg, 12 FD's, 3 TD, 5 PR's 83 yds. Singlehandedly owned a "allstar" secondary, Game winning clutch TD and 2pt Reception Catches

Pretty stupid for people to make an ass out of themselves and denigrate Jackson. It's amazing how people make asses out of themselves trying to denigrate a player just because he's not a Bronco.

It's pretty stupid when people make an ass out of themselves and modify stats to suit their arguements too! ROFL!

Pat Bowlen
09-29-2008, 02:36 PM
It's pretty stupid when people make an ass out of themselves and modify stats to suit their arguements too! ROFL!
IRONY ALERT!

Sassy
09-29-2008, 05:36 PM
No. McNabb is playing phenomenal. That TD to Jackson should never have been thrown. It was like quadruple coverage and he somehow got it in the tiniest window I've ever seen.

We have a QB who does that ;D
...and hmmm...it would be to our little guy Eddie....(insert smartass smilie here) ;D

Doggcow
09-29-2008, 06:54 PM
We have a QB who does that ;D
...and hmmm...it would be to our little guy Eddie....(insert smartass smilie here) ;D

Eddie Royal has been wide open on almost all of his catches. If you watched the Raiders games there was noone in the frame with him on any of his catches.

Sassy
09-29-2008, 07:06 PM
Eddie Royal has been wide open on almost all of his catches. If you watched the Raiders games there was noone in the frame with him on any of his catches.

There's been quite a few times during the season that Jay has had 2 or 3 guys open.

btw...Royal had more receiving yards and only 1 catch less than Dwayne Bowe yesterday...GO EDDIE!

Beantown Bronco
11-07-2008, 07:56 AM
DeSean who?

Garcia Bronco
11-07-2008, 07:58 AM
Hokies

jmz313
11-07-2008, 08:11 AM
DeSean will still be the heralded rookie WR come Awards time since he plays in the NFC east.

socalorado
11-07-2008, 08:25 AM
DeSean will still be the heralded rookie WR come Awards time since he plays in the NFC east.

Its "MeSean" , man.

Conklin
11-07-2008, 06:43 PM
bump for Muddled

broncosteven
11-07-2008, 08:01 PM
Who is muddled?

I have seen you bump other threads for same poster?

Lolad
11-07-2008, 08:01 PM
They had desean on espn today for mid season ROTY awards and no mention of eddie royal

Blart
11-07-2008, 08:49 PM
They had desean on espn today for mid season ROTY awards and no mention of eddie royal

damn I guess shanahan made the wrong pick

broncosteven
11-07-2008, 09:32 PM
They had desean on espn today for mid season ROTY awards and no mention of eddie royal

What do they win for the mid-seaon ROTY awards?

broncofan7
10-26-2009, 08:03 PM
Bump. ;)

UberBroncoMan
10-26-2009, 08:08 PM
Bump. ;)

Die, Necro.

Sassy
10-26-2009, 08:10 PM
Hmmm...Eddie pretty much was mvp Monday night.

broncofan7
10-26-2009, 08:16 PM
Die, Necro.

That's RACIST. ;)

Popcorn Sutton
10-26-2009, 08:36 PM
Bump. ;)

Are you bumping this because Eddie took 2 to the house? Eddie is not the only receiver on this team unlike Philly. Not to mention the offense is much different in Denver.

Funny you aren't bumping your incessant rants about Kyle Orton and how he is the 3rd best QB on this team...

I could have a 24 hour bump party with the absolute junk that you post.

Lev Vyvanse
10-26-2009, 08:43 PM
Bump. ;)

Wow, bad week to bump this.

SureShot
10-26-2009, 09:01 PM
For those that wanted Captain Sunglasses aka Mesean can eat a ****. Royal is the whole package without the prima donna.

I stand by this.

mhgaffney
10-26-2009, 09:04 PM
This thread should have been allowed to die - like all threads.

But one of the resident idiots just had to revive it -- the undead.

Yes, I saw L. Jackson in tonight's game score two first half TDs against a pretty crappy Redskin defense.

But I would not trade Jackson for Royal -- no way.

So what's your point?

I'm confident Bailey and Dawkins can and will take Jackson outa the game.

Cito Pelon
10-26-2009, 09:07 PM
Jackson is a leetle bit better than Royal right now.

Royal is more steady and tougher, Jackson is more dynamic. Those two will have parallel careers in the long run. Royal is much tougher moving the chains, Jackson has better quickness and is not a chain-mover but has better flat out speed and acceleration.

It's gonna come down to how valuable the two are in playoff games. The chain-mover vs. the dynamic one or two big plays a game guy. It's gonna be interesting to track their careers.

broncofan7
10-27-2009, 06:11 AM
Wow, bad week to bump this.

Why?

broncofan7
10-27-2009, 06:14 AM
This thread should have been allowed to die - like all threads.

But one of the resident idiots just had to revive it -- the undead.

Yes, I saw L. Jackson in tonight's game score two first half TDs against a pretty crappy Redskin defense.

But I would not trade Jackson for Royal -- no way.

So what's your point?

I'm confident Bailey and Dawkins can and will take Jackson outa the game.


You saw 'L Jackson in tonights game score 2 1st half TD's...."

Interesting. Yet I am a 'resident idiot'.......on another note--for you to infer that this is not a debatable subject also shows your lack of mental acuity...here's one for ya': THE JEWS TOLD SHANNY TO DRAFT ROYAL! 'Shanahan' is actually a made up JEWISH surname that they used to infiltrate the irish MOBS! Now go write book about it......

broncofan7
10-27-2009, 06:24 AM
Jackson is a leetle bit better than Royal right now.

Royal is more steady and tougher, Jackson is more dynamic. Those two will have parallel careers in the long run. Royal is much tougher moving the chains, Jackson has better quickness and is not a chain-mover but has better flat out speed and acceleration.

It's gonna come down to how valuable the two are in playoff games. The chain-mover vs. the dynamic one or two big plays a game guy. It's gonna be interesting to track their careers.

I agree--DeSean had a nice NFC CG last year--he is much more explosive and a viable deep threat--royal --aside from the CLE game--hasn't really provided that--and DeSean is a better returner than Royal--that is NOT debatable even after last MONDAY nights performance in SD for Eddie....both are good players--DeSean is closer to GREAT than Eddie.........and no off field incidents so far in Philly.......

Merlin
10-27-2009, 11:19 AM
I agree--DeSean had a nice NFC CG last year--he is much more explosive and a viable deep threat--royal --aside from the CLE game--hasn't really provided that--and DeSean is a better returner than Royal--that is NOT debatable even after last MONDAY nights performance in SD for Eddie....both are good players--DeSean is closer to GREAT than Eddie.........and no off field incidents so far in Philly.......
The return game is still unclear, since our problems were STs in general, not him. As to his play at WR, there is no doubt I would prefer Royal, especially after last yr. His numbers this yr have more to do with McD's new system, and Royal growing into it (and Orton getting more leeway to get the ball to him). Despite all the options in Denver, Royal will be putting up decent numbers in the second half of the season. In this system Royal is a far better option that DeSean. And unlike DeSean, Royal could also play in Philadelphia's offense. He has the speed and route running to excel.

WolfpackGuy
10-27-2009, 11:28 AM
Royal will have a longer career.

azbroncfan
10-27-2009, 11:30 AM
Jackson is pulling ahead of Royal right now and looks a hell of a lot more explosive. Either way both in the 2nd round was a steal though.

Jerry Curl
10-28-2009, 12:55 AM
Royal will have a longer career.


I'm not disagreeing or anything...but you base this on what exactly this early in both careers?

PRBronco
10-28-2009, 01:26 AM
Still very happy with Eddie, but I'd like to see them using his speed more, like the Eagles do with Jackson. Seems like every play to Eddie this year is 9 yards, with him diving trying to scoop it off the ground. He's like the fastest guy on the team, stop trying to go deep to Marshall and send Eddie down there!

bowtown
10-28-2009, 09:08 AM
You saw 'L Jackson in tonights game score 2 1st half TD's...."

Interesting. Yet I am a 'resident idiot'.......on another note--for you to infer that this is not a debatable subject also shows your lack of mental acuity...here's one for ya': THE JEWS TOLD SHANNY TO DRAFT ROYAL! 'Shanahan' is actually a made up JEWISH surname that they used to infiltrate the irish MOBS! Now go write book about it......

Ahhh, BF7 throwing down the bigotry smack.

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/Kb/iron-reliabledigital-fb.jpgy

broncofan7
10-28-2009, 09:44 AM
Ahhh, BF7 throwing down the bigotry smack.

http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/Kb/iron-reliabledigital-fb.jpgy

Please give me an example of my bigotry? FBI crime statistics perhaps? IDIOT.

Take your head out of the sand.........

broncofan7
12-20-2009, 03:46 PM
no contest! DeSean is twice the wr that eddie is and 5 times the kick returner

azbroncfan
12-20-2009, 07:40 PM
Not even close. I thought last year it was but Jackson is 10 times the WR that prom king Royal is.

TonyR
12-20-2009, 07:46 PM
Shanny went for character instead of talent/results. I hated the Eddie pick when it happened, loved it during the season last year, and now I'm still okay with it and hope it's just a sophomore slump and/or mismatch with the scheme and/or QB. Eddie's got talent but it's clearly not being used well like Jackson's is in Philly. I don't think anyone thought DeSean could be this good and many questioned whether or not he could play in the league at his size. Kid is a serious playmaker and game changer.

azbroncfan
12-20-2009, 07:51 PM
Shanny went for character instead of talent/results.

That might be the worst statement ever here. Whey were there the Gardener, Rice, Clarett, Carter, DWILL, and other questionable character guys signed? You couldn't of been more wrong.

mhgaffney
12-20-2009, 07:55 PM
The real issue is Orton -- not Royal.

But the stupid jocks on this board will never "get it." At all times they need some one to ridicule -- a human punching bag -- and today it just happens to be Royal. Tomorrow it will be Moreno or Sheffler...