We didn't blitz

[Kaylore]

At all.

In fact looking at our offensive and defense, I would say there was really no game plan for last night. It was so generic and easy to attack that I think they didn't care. The routes were generic and we didn't really try to isolate anyone. The closest thing I saw was when we went to Marshall twice in a row and I think that was more about getting the ball to Marshall than attacking Williams specifically. I think with opening against the Raiders that Shanahan is playing things close to the vest until the real ammo flies.

Thoughts?

My thought is I'm pissed I was screwed out of a quarter of starting Bronco football and then I got home only to see the CBS broadcast looks like every camera had the lenses fogged over. I swear their cameras are the crappiest in town.

[MO<1>]

Why would you give the Raiders, Chiefs, and Patriots anything to study? Films of the Broncos are going to be one of the hottest commodities wanted by opposing coaches this season. This is one reason why the NFL is considering eliminating pre-season (used to be called exhibition games) and just expanding the season to 18 games.

[Kaylore]

I guess that's true. We'll see how different we look on Monday Night. If we're still playing generi-defense then I will be wrong and it will be a long year.

[BroncoBuff]

Very vanilla, indeed ...

But one thing showed: our linebackers aren't physical enough, and our safeties suck. I thought McRee would be better, Abdullah would've taken over by now. We need better safeties and a more physical Sam LB ...

[hambone13]

At all.

In fact looking at our offensive and defense, I would say there was really no game plan for last night. It was so generic and easy to attack that I think they didn't care. The routes were generic and we didn't really try to isolate anyone. The closest thing I saw was when we went to Marshall twice in a row and I think that was more about getting the ball to Marshall than attacking Williams specifically. I think with opening against the Raiders that Shanahan is playing things close to the vest until the real ammo flies.

Thoughts?

My thought is I'm pissed I was screwed out of a quarter of starting Bronco football and then I got home only to see the CBS broadcast looks like every camera had the lenses fogged over. I swear their cameras are the crappiest in town.

Watching the game tonight on CBS 4 was like lookin' through the load Romo threw on Jessica S's camera for the tabloids.

Generic is the truth. I believe Shanny threw it out like that and was happy with the score to boot because he doesn't want anyone, I mean ANYONE to see what's on his mind with JC. We're in for a new era. The mastermind is no longer w/o his Knights because his power piece can actually make all the moves.....

[telluride]

Blitz? Who cares about the blitz? Kaylore, how was Montrose's tight end? Did the end around work? Did you guys get a sack? How were his hands? Was he quick to the hole?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I think judging by the slowik/coyer type d of old, the vanilla D, i assume, will not stick around. I expect a good deal of blitzing once the regular season starts. Seems like the D will rely on it....especially when trying to confuse JaMarcus

[MO<1>]

I think judging by the slowik/coyer type d of old, the vanilla D, i assume, will not stick around. I expect a good deal of blitzing once the regular season starts. Seems like the D will rely on it....especially when trying to confuse JaMarcus


His own recievers confuse him. Shanny just wants to hurt Norv Turner. It is probably one of his highest priorities.

[2KBack]

At all.

In fact looking at our offensive and defense, I would say there was really no game plan for last night. It was so generic and easy to attack that I think they didn't care. The routes were generic and we didn't really try to isolate anyone. The closest thing I saw was when we went to Marshall twice in a row and I think that was more about getting the ball to Marshall than attacking Williams specifically. I think with opening against the Raiders that Shanahan is playing things close to the vest until the real ammo flies.

Thoughts?

My thought is I'm pissed I was screwed out of a quarter of starting Bronco football and then I got home only to see the CBS broadcast looks like every camera had the lenses fogged over. I swear their cameras are the crappiest in town.

Yeah, it certainly seemed like a case of base offense and defense, now go play. Which is understandable, it lets the starters tune up a little physcially wthout showing anything special.

as for the broadcast. I watched it online and didn't have sound, and it was unfuriating how rarely they posted the down and distance. Don't most networks have it continually posted with the score? I had to try to count the downs and estimate the distances on plays.

[originalsultan]

I watched it online and didn't have sound, and it was unfuriating how rarely they posted the down and distance.

Where did you go / what did you do to be able to watch the broadcast online? I have been doing some research into how to watch the games online but I haven't gotten very far.

[2KBack]

Where did you go / what did you do to be able to watch the broadcast online? I have been doing some research into how to watch the games online but I haven't gotten very far.

check your PM's

[Rohirrim]

That game was like eating unfrosted cake. It's good, just because it's cake, but it's nothing special. I liked Brandon's catch. ;D

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

At all.

In fact looking at our offensive and defense, I would say there was really no game plan for last night. It was so generic and easy to attack that I think they didn't care. The routes were generic and we didn't really try to isolate anyone. The closest thing I saw was when we went to Marshall twice in a row and I think that was more about getting the ball to Marshall than attacking Williams specifically. I think with opening against the Raiders that Shanahan is playing things close to the vest until the real ammo flies.

Thoughts?

My thought is I'm pissed I was screwed out of a quarter of starting Bronco football and then I got home only to see the CBS broadcast looks like every camera had the lenses fogged over. I swear their cameras are the crappiest in town.

I was pissed too. Its rare that Shannahan goes off script. Game three is where starters get into the third quarter and go through half time adjustments. Either he is saving it for game four or (i know) he's so confident in Cutler that Cutler doesn't need the extra practice (unlike Plummer).

Also I think that its great practice for later in the season when blitzing loses its effectiveness. If thats the cases we need for a D-linemen to come on line to be able to apply pressure without the blitz.

[in.the.game]

I watched it online and didn't have sound, and it was unfuriating how rarely they posted the down and distance. Don't most networks have it continually posted with the score? I had to try to count the downs and estimate the distances on plays.

good for you, at least you didn't have to listen to reggie rivers and his goonies.

i think the cowboys game was about as good as it is going to get in the preseason. There is no doubt to me that both offense and defense have a lot to be left to the imagination going into the season.

i would like to say that the broncos are going to be flying under the radar, but after we beat the chargers... we will be anything but.

[TheReverend]

My thought is I'm pissed I was screwed out of a quarter of starting Bronco football and then I got home only to see the CBS broadcast looks like every camera had the lenses fogged over. I swear their cameras are the crappiest in town.

Tell me about it! I threw a few hundred on the game with the expectation of THREE quarters as usual.

[Mediator12]

Tell me about it! I threw a few hundred on the game with the expectation of THREE quarters as usual.

Please Reverend, tell me you did not bet on a preseason Football Game ROFL!

If you did, please calll me the next time you do I really like the new Reebok line of officially licensed apparel :wave:

[Wes Mantooth]

Makes me think that the Cowboys game was an exception. Looked like payback for last years preseason game of constant Cowboys blitzing.

[bronco militia]

At all.

In fact looking at our offensive and defense, I would say there was really no game plan for last night. It was so generic and easy to attack that I think they didn't care. The routes were generic and we didn't really try to isolate anyone. The closest thing I saw was when we went to Marshall twice in a row and I think that was more about getting the ball to Marshall than attacking Williams specifically. I think with opening against the Raiders that Shanahan is playing things close to the vest until the real ammo flies.

Thoughts?

.

we rehired Larry Coyer

:garcia: :redpunch: :moody: ~Popps~

[TheReverend]

Please Reverend, tell me you did not bet on a preseason Football Game ROFL!

If you did, please calll me the next time you do I really like the new Reebok line of officially licensed apparel :wave:

Meh, I had an itch... and it was ONLY 300.

Besides, everything looked sharp headed out of the half. Denver up by 4, about to get the ball back and Cutler was on fire.

...and then comes Ramsey and his band of retarded misfits.

[ScottXray]

My guess is that becasue the cut down this week is only small and then the giant cuts next week we'll see a lot more reserve play in the 3rd and 4th games form here on in.

Vanilla or not our defense didn't look too good, and game speed is different
than practice speed. We got gouged by GB's starters the whole first half. Defense couldn't get off the field, and that is a problem that is very familiar.

Trying to rest starters and then "turn it on" in the opener has worked real well for us the last 4 years, hasn't it? Hopefully we see the starters (except Brandon) next week for at least a quarter, then turn it over to the
reserves. The starting O is almost ready, but the D needs work, and still looks unsettled at best.

[Kaylore]

we rehired Larry Coyer

:garcia: :redpunch: :moody: ~Popps~

Coyer actually blitzed a lot. Does no one remember Philly? Also we did some crazy stuff with our secondary like changing the zone and man up, rotating the safeties pre snap to confuse the defense, stunts on the D-line - it was not a simple defense. In fact I think part of the problem is we tried to do too much.

Last night we did little if anything exotic. We were in the same basic coverages. We had the same front and we didn't blitz. They said that the team was ahead of schedule and I think Shanahan felt that to be so. I think the "real" dress rehearsal was the Dallas game. We brought pressure and planned how we wanted to attack them in advance.

[Spider]

I thought i saw Bly come on a very delayed blitz .....yeah not much of a threat there ;D
Overall i thought our backers played well , seems to me that the game plan for D was keep everything in front of you , not alot of attacking the LOS last night .

[bombay]

That was the most plain jane game plan I've seen since... last preseason. Once the Pittmanathon started in the 3rd, we just left. The great drive in the 2nd quarter and the Brandon Marshall catch, which was directly in front of us, were the obvious highlights. Aaron Rogers looked pretty good, but that may have been a result of the lack of defensive pressure.

[Bladerunner]

Coyer actually blitzed a lot. Does no one remember Philly? Also we did some crazy stuff with our secondary like changing the zone and man up, rotating the safeties pre snap to confuse the defense, stunts on the D-line - it was not a simple defense. In fact I think part of the problem is we tried to do too much.

Last night we did little if anything exotic. We were in the same basic coverages. We had the same front and we didn't blitz. They said that the team was ahead of schedule and I think Shanahan felt that to be so. I think the "real" dress rehearsal was the Dallas game. We brought pressure and planned how we wanted to attack them in advance.

Yeah Coyer liked to blitz a lot...the second half of SD and the Philly game were crazy...multiple possessions playing cover ZERO firehouse blitzing...the Philly game in particular was nuts...they figured it out, but not until we were up by a ton, then we blew it back out in the 4th...good game really

[Play2win]

Yeah Coyer liked to blitz a lot...the second half of SD and the Philly game were crazy...multiple possessions playing cover ZERO firehouse blitzing...the Philly game in particular was nuts...they figured it out, but not until we were up by a ton, then we blew it back out in the 4th...good game really

BTW- Baddest AZZ handle here. I just wish JAY would start using the VISOR again. :thumbsup:

[Bronco X]

Coyer actually blitzed a lot. Does no one remember Philly? Also we did some crazy stuff with our secondary like changing the zone and man up, rotating the safeties pre snap to confuse the defense, stunts on the D-line - it was not a simple defense. In fact I think part of the problem is we tried to do too much.

Last night we did little if anything exotic. We were in the same basic coverages. We had the same front and we didn't blitz. They said that the team was ahead of schedule and I think Shanahan felt that to be so. I think the "real" dress rehearsal was the Dallas game. We brought pressure and planned how we wanted to attack them in advance.

The '05 Broncos blitzed a lot. Then Pittsburgh out schemed our schemes, and the next season Coyer all but removed the blitz from the playbook. It started out looking great but Coyer didn't change a thing as the defense collapsed late in the '06 season. It's puzzling that he was so willing to make sweeping adjustments in the off season but refused to do it in season.

[MO<1>]

You can count on the last exhibition to be all smoke and mirrors. Shanny will give the Raiders four hours of worthless video to disect!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I thought i saw Bly come on a very delayed blitz .....yeah not much of a threat there ;D
Overall i thought our backers played well , seems to me that the game plan for D was keep everything in front of you , not alot of attacking the LOS last night .I'm pretty sure he was confused and was trying to get off the field.

[Spider]

;D Kinda , but you can get some valuable tape on cutler ......

[Spider]

I'm pretty sure he was confused and was trying to get off the field.

LOL

[cabronco]

Im watching the replay off DVR and we did blitz once , so far with about 1 minute left to go in the 1st half. We were trying to stop them on 3rd and 3, but they threw a quick out to the receiver for the first. Basically not enough time to get to Rodgers.

[Mediator12]

The '05 Broncos blitzed a lot. Then Pittsburgh out schemed our schemes, and the next season Coyer all but removed the blitz from the playbook. It started out looking great but Coyer didn't change a thing as the defense collapsed late in the '06 season. It's puzzling that he was so willing to make sweeping adjustments in the off season but refused to do it in season.

This is so wrong on merit alone. DEN did not start the heavy blitzing scheme until game 7 of that 2005 season against PHI. In 2006, DEN used a more balanced version of the cover zero blitz and had 2 different streches where teams failed to score a TD in 11 consecutive quarters. They had several different takes on the cover zero including three different bailouts in coverages where they did not blitz but had the offense go max protect.

Also, I am tired of people making generalizations about adjustments. If anything is readily understandable it is that the defense has not been talented in the front seven for several years and the front four for many years. When you are not talented, you have to out scheme teams and gameplan to make plays. EVERYONE saw last year what happens when an undertalented teams fails to be able to outscheme, outgameplan, and out effort superior offenses. You suck.

Criticizing Coyer for not making adjustments assumes There were adjustments left to make against teams. It is very thin argument to say that a coach can "just make a few adjustments". To assume that means both sides could just "make a few adjustments" to beat the other team. It comes down to players being CAPABLE of beating the guy in front of them in crunch time.

Coyer routinely stymied teams early and often, but that left very little wiggle room with the game on the line and better talented teams trying to come from behind. This defense was never dominanting talent wise, it was the scheme and gameplanning that kept them competitive for so long.

Against superior teams, they got their asses kicked routinely because those teams just lined up and smashed them or took advantage of their blaring weaknesses. Mediocre and below average teams did it to them last year. Too many average players, and too many guys not playing together.

[Spider]

Hey mediator how ya doin ?

[Rock Chalk]

Very vanilla, indeed ...

But one thing showed: our linebackers aren't physical enough, and our safeties suck. I thought McRee would be better, Abdullah would've taken over by now. We need better safeties and a more physical Sam LB ...

What we need are Lbs that can shed blocks. Its not that our LBs arent athletic or talented enough. Its just that the suck horribly at shedding blocks.

Webster, Koutivides, DJ, all of them.....its sad.

Ian "Ole" Gold couldnt tackle worth a damn but he could avoid being blocked out and at least slow a runner down. Al ran through people to get to the ball. Hurt he still was able to shed blocks even though he couldnt run through them anymore. DJ on Sam played well with Al and Ian as the other two.

We need a SMART player at MLB to direct the front seven. Thats what this defense is missing. Smart and athletic. MLB is the most important position on Defense IMO and you have to at least have a top notch or near top notch guy to help the others. Not just because of his greatness, but because of his ability to dictate to the others whats going to happen and where to be.

Not all Football players are created equal. Both in talent AND brains (football brains).

[Bronco X]

This is so wrong on merit alone. DEN did not start the heavy blitzing scheme until game 7 of that 2005 season against PHI. In 2006, DEN used a more balanced version of the cover zero blitz and had 2 different streches where teams failed to score a TD in 11 consecutive quarters. They had several different takes on the cover zero including three different bailouts in coverages where they did not blitz but had the offense go max protect.

Also, I am tired of people making generalizations about adjustments. If anything is readily understandable it is that the defense has not been talented in the front seven for several years and the front four for many years. When you are not talented, you have to out scheme teams and gameplan to make plays. EVERYONE saw last year what happens when an undertalented teams fails to be able to outscheme, outgameplan, and out effort superior offenses. You suck.

Criticizing Coyer for not making adjustments assumes There were adjustments left to make against teams. It is very thin argument to say that a coach can "just make a few adjustments". To assume that means both sides could just "make a few adjustments" to beat the other team. It comes down to players being CAPABLE of beating the guy in front of them in crunch time.

Coyer routinely stymied teams early and often, but that left very little wiggle room with the game on the line and better talented teams trying to come from behind. This defense was never dominanting talent wise, it was the scheme and gameplanning that kept them competitive for so long.

Against superior teams, they got their asses kicked routinely because those teams just lined up and smashed them or took advantage of their blaring weaknesses. Mediocre and below average teams did it to them last year. Too many average players, and too many guys not playing together.

I'm assuming 90% of this was a response to some general sentiment you've been seeing and not my post, because you're presenting a lot of things I agree with as though it's a disagreement.

I certainly have no argument about the talent of the people of front. It's only gotten worse since Coyer's time so the need to compensate with schemes and blitzes is even stronger. Towards the end of Coyer's run he refused to blitz, even when it was clear the D was getting eaten alive running the base defense. Let me remind you the stellar scoring defense earlier in the season was not stopping anyone later in the season. The memories of those 11 quarters wasn't making tackles or getting pressure on the quarterback.

If you've got an argument that Coyer had no choice or it wouldn't have worked out, fine.... I'm not making an argument he could have made a bad defense stellar by changing schemes (and I do give him a lot of credit for getting the stellar early season results out of the same group)... but the bottom line is when you don't have the talent up front you can't afford to stick with a system and let it fail due to lack of talent. You have to adjust. Again, there's not going to be adjustments that can completely compensate for lack of talent, but I'd prefer to see a coach trying different things in the face of failure than stubbornly sticking with something that isn't working. Yes, even if the results are the same.

[TonyR]

Shanny just wants to hurt Norv Turner. It is probably one of his highest priorities.

Sadly it won't be Turner getting hurt. We just don't have the talent to deal with them. Our D is in for a long afternoon.

[Dedhed]

Makes me think that the Cowboys game was an exception. Looked like payback for last years preseason game of constant Cowboys blitzing.

I think they got enough info out of the scheme in that game to satisfy them, and are going to keep things close to the vest until Week 1.

[ElwayMD]

Generally don't see many blitzes in the pre-season. That being said don't know even if it was the regular season if you would see many blitzes from our squad. I personally pray that our front 4 will actually get some consistent pressure on the QB (but am not holding on to any hope that they will) so we don't have to try and blitz to get pressure.

[azbroncfan]

I guarantee Denver will be a blitz happy team. Look what GB did when Slowik was the DC there.

[broncocalijohn]

good for you, at least you didn't have to listen to reggie rivers and his goonies.

i think the cowboys game was about as good as it is going to get in the preseason. There is no doubt to me that both offense and defense have a lot to be left to the imagination going into the season.

i would like to say that the broncos are going to be flying under the radar, but after we beat the chargers... we will be anything but.

I liked reggie rivers on the broadcast and his insight. On one example, we plug the hole but he rightfully mentions McCree stuffing the outside making the runner pull inside where he was meet by our Broncos. I liked him as a Bronco player always struggling to make the team and the dude is very smart guy. Nice to see he is still in Denver making a living. Great alumni!

[theAPAOps5]

Sorry but Reggie Rivers is THE worst announcer and sports caster in Denver. During the Cowboys game he called Jarvis Moss Javon Walker. They guy is annoying even if he was the consummate blue collar football player.

[Ugly Duck]

I would say there was really no game plan for last night.

Thoughts?


Maybe your coaches were just experimenting around with stuff to see what players they want to keep because its a preseason game.

[Bronx33]

Sorry but Reggie Rivers is THE worst announcer and sports caster in Denver. During the Cowboys game he called Jarvis Moss Javon Walker. They guy is annoying even if he was the consummate blue collar football player.


I agree hes so plain it's not even funny zero style and zero skill just like his nfl career i wonder how he tripped and stumbled his way into this gig?.

[Bronco X]

I agree hes so plain it's not even funny zero style and zero skill just like his nfl career i wonder how he tripped and stumbled his way into this gig?.

He's a former Bronco with a journalism degree. It's not a bad combo for landing gigs like this. I'm not a fan but when it comes to Denver sports media personalities, the fact that he's got a gig ranks a bit lower and the baffle-meter than say: Irv Brown, Joe Williams, Jim Armstrong, Alfred Williams, Scott Hastings, Mark Moser, Bernie Lincicome, Mark Kizsla, Drew Soicher, etc., etc., etc....

[TomServo]

unlike the cowboys who do blitz in preseason- john lynch of all people was accused of being a baby for saying so last year. the broncos usually dont show their blitzes in preseason

[TomServo]

and cutler still carved them up

[lex]

If youre strength is your CBs, then it makes sense to blitz. The stronger your CBs are, the better able they are to handle being put on an island. I think we're going back to blitzing. Hopefully, Slowik makes better adjustments than Coyer did.

BTW, thought Id weigh in on the Reggie Rivers discussion. I agree. He stinks. His voice is grating. Im not a big fan of Vic Lombardi either. I like it a lot better when NBC had AFC games.

[Spider]

Sadly it won't be Turner getting hurt. We just don't have the talent to deal with them. Our D is in for a long afternoon.

It depends more on how our offense does ........ Can Cutler be the WCO that is consistently effective vs the 3-4 ?

[lex]

The '05 Broncos blitzed a lot. Then Pittsburgh out schemed our schemes, and the next season Coyer all but removed the blitz from the playbook. It started out looking great but Coyer didn't change a thing as the defense collapsed late in the '06 season. It's puzzling that he was so willing to make sweeping adjustments in the off season but refused to do it in season.

Indeed. Plus the next year it seemed like when he did blitz it was all or nothing against someone like Manning. It didnt really seem like he mixed it up very well. Manning struggles when he doesnt know where the pressure is coming from...or at least this is the commonly held observation for why the 3-4 is effective against him. So making him guess where the pressure is coming from is better than sending the house or sending no one. It just seemed like that was the case with Coyer.

[Borks147]

It depends more on how our offense does ........ Can Cutler be the WCO that is consistently effective vs the 3-4 ?

yes, we can stretch the field. If our qb was Griese, then no.

[Spider]

yes, we can stretch the field. If our qb was Griese, then no.

thats true ......:thumbs:

[Cito Pelon]

What a stupid, worthless thread. It's preseason, you stupid clowns.

J/K, just making a point.