McCain Agrees to Bring Back the Draft

[Rohirrim]

Another flop from McFlip. Actually not a flip flop. He's always hinted that he would reinstate the draft if elected, as documented here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-support-draft/

[SonOfLe-loLang]

The democrats need to take that quote and PLASTER IT ALL OVER EVERYTHING. But im sure they won't because that type of campaigning isnt in the dusty old playbook

[Hotrod]

What would be so bad about the potential use of a draft? It would in fact increase the responsibility of American voters/tax payers. Certainly it would slow the war drums no???

[Garcia Bronco]

What's the matter folks? Afraid to take the call to arms for your country?

[tnedator]

The subject of this thread is totally out of context with the quotes that were linked to. He didn't even come close to agree to bring back the draft.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

What a matter folks. Afraid to take the call to arms for your country?

I can say this proudly. YES I AM!!! As i assume many americans are...why would we want to be forced to fight a war most people don't agree with? There hasn't been a real war, a real threat since ww2. And I assume the 50 wars mccain wants us in will be similar to the recent ones...though those will probably cause ww3:)

Call me a pussy, but unless the taliban was marching down my block, shooting it up, i aint ever fighting. Even then id probably hide in the closet.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

The subject of this thread is totally out of context with the quotes that were linked to. He didn't even come close to agree to bring back the draft.

So take it and twist it...thats what the republicans do so well! I've been saying the dem's should use this as a talking point for years.

[Rohirrim]

The subject of this thread is totally out of context with the quotes that were linked to. He didn't even come close to agree to bring back the draft.

And yet, Obama is a Muslim. Funny, eh? ;)

[alkemical]

What a matter folks. Afraid to take the call to arms for your country?

Could i also itemize what i pay for in taxes? So if i disagree with the war, i can not pay for it?

Why should I fight for what is in my government's "best" interest, when it's not in "my" best interest? Since when does the government care about me, and why should i put my life on the line for "them"?

[kappys]

Is there actually anybody in the army in favor of a draft - the last time it was tried it was a complete fiasco.

I actually do support a draft - it would put a quick end to the war once enough soldiers refuse to fight.

[Rigs11]

Could i also itemize what i pay for in taxes? So if i disagree with the war, i can not pay for it?

Why should I fight for what is in my government's "best" interest, when it's not in "my" best interest? Since when does the government care about me, and why should i put my life on the line for "them"?

exactly, repubs are pro war then they complain when they have to pay for it. No new taxes.

[Drek]

What's the matter folks? Afraid to take the call to arms for your country?

I only fight for causes I believe in.

So when we decide to liberate Tibet from Chinese oppression I'm enlisting the next day. But when we chose to invade more sovereign countries because we disagree with their moral and religious views, well, you can count me out.

[bronclvr]

Gentlemen, I stand at the sidelines and read most all of the Posts here(most of them are pretty silly at times, but it is fun to watch, and there are some really passionate people on here). I do not wish to debate them as I will not change your opinion, nor will you change mine. I come here for Broncos talk because there are some really knowlegeable, likable people here.

I served my Country, and did it because I felt I needed to contribute my fair share to defend my Family, and I felt it was the right thing to do, whether I agreed to it's Policies or not (and whether I died or not). You have a right to complain (or b****)-it is your right, but do not p*** on those of us who have served-do you not like the Freedoms that our Boys (and Girls) have sacrificed themselves for (right or wrong-be it Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, any other of the "non-Wars")? Many of them did it for their Country (and an idea) and felt passionately about it.

Personally, I am for the Draft-it has served us well in the past, and I was caught up in it and am still standing. Had we not intervened in other Countries "business", France would be part of Germany, South Korea would be a slave state and Sadaam would still be torturing people-I don't like War, and we have made some real bone-headed moves in the past I agree. I am not a War monger, but you have to make a stand somewhere (or what DO you stand for?), and let people know someone will stand next to them when there is little hope-as they say, Freedom is not free. amesj, it is not for you, it is for 'us"-as a whole.

O.K., that is off my chest, you can go back to your regularly scheduled program-

[Garcia Bronco]

And this is why we will never hold a candle to the Greatest Generation

[Garcia Bronco]

Gentlemen, I stand at the sidelines and read most all of the Posts here(most of them are pretty silly at times, but it is fun to watch, and there are some really passionate people on here). I do not wish to debate them as I will not change your opinion, nor will you change mine. I come here for Broncos talk because there are some really knowlegeable, likable people here.

I served my Country, and did it because I felt I needed to contribute my fair share to defend my Family, and I felt it was the right thing to do, whether I agreed to it's Policies or not (and whether I died or not). You have a right to complain (or b****)-it is your right, but do not p*** on those of us who have served-do you not like the Freedoms that our Boys (and Girls) have sacrificed themselves for (right or wrong-be it Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, any other of the "non-Wars")? Many of them did it for their Country (and an idea) and felt passionately about it.

Personally, I am for the Draft-it has served us well in the past, and I was caught up in it and am still standing. Had we not intervened in other Countries "business", France would be part of Germany, South Korea would be a slave state and Sadaam would still be torturing people-I don't like War, and we have made some real bone-headed moves in the past I agree. I am not a War monger, but you have to make a stand somewhere (or what DO you stand for?), and let people know someone will stand next to them when there is little hope-as they say, Freedom is not free. amesj, it is not for you, it is for 'us"-as a whole.

O.K., that is off my chest, you can go back to your regularly scheduled program-

:we're not worthy: :)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Gentlemen, I stand at the sidelines and read most all of the Posts here(most of them are pretty silly at times, but it is fun to watch, and there are some really passionate people on here). I do not wish to debate them as I will not change your opinion, nor will you change mine. I come here for Broncos talk because there are some really knowlegeable, likable people here.

I served my Country, and did it because I felt I needed to contribute my fair share to defend my Family, and I felt it was the right thing to do, whether I agreed to it's Policies or not (and whether I died or not). You have a right to complain (or b****)-it is your right, but do not p*** on those of us who have served-do you not like the Freedoms that our Boys (and Girls) have sacrificed themselves for (right or wrong-be it Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, any other of the "non-Wars")? Many of them did it for their Country (and an idea) and felt passionately about it.

Personally, I am for the Draft-it has served us well in the past, and I was caught up in it and am still standing. Had we not intervened in other Countries "business", France would be part of Germany, South Korea would be a slave state and Sadaam would still be torturing people-I don't like War, and we have made some real bone-headed moves in the past I agree. I am not a War monger, but you have to make a stand somewhere (or what DO you stand for?), and let people know someone will stand next to them when there is little hope-as they say, Freedom is not free. amesj, it is not for you, it is for 'us"-as a whole.

O.K., that is off my chest, you can go back to your regularly scheduled program-

I think i can speak for everyone here when i say we respect your services and have deep respect for anyone willing to put their life on the line for the country. Trust me, no one is pissing on your accomplishments and work. Far from it.

Having said that, going to war in the name of humanitarian issues (when wars are RARELY fought for these reasons...its always political/economical) is a fine line. Yes, perhaps Saddam would still be torturing people, but our invervention in Iraq has made things much worse for not only iraq, but stability in the middle east as a whole, as well as our political standing in that region and around the world. Too often our politicians go into wars without truly thinking about the consequences and this was the perfect example. It should only be used as a last ditch effort (like World War 2...when force was geniunely needed).

I think re-instating the draft is a horrible idea unless World War 3 were to happen and the world was actually in danger. As of now, the chances of this are still quite low, but any other skirmishes we find ourselves in will fuel the fire (like if John McCain wanted to bust into georgia and start flexing his muslce against the russians). Americans have proven to band together in times of need, but have been resistent to fight unecessary wars for political gain. No one should be forced to fight these senseless wars and, if the draft were to be instated, you'd see more social divide then we currently have.

70 year old, out of touch men should not be the voice of lower generations that are completely different from them.

[alkemical]

I think i can speak for everyone here when i say we respect your services and have deep respect for anyone willing to put their life on the line for the country. Trust me, no one is pissing on your accomplishments and work. Far from it.

Having said that, going to war in the name of humanitarian issues (when wars are RARELY fought for these reasons...its always political/economical) is a fine line. Yes, perhaps Saddam would still be torturing people, but our invervention in Iraq has made things much worse for not only iraq, but stability in the middle east as a whole, as well as our political standing in that region and around the world. Too often our politicians go into wars without truly thinking about the consequences and this was the perfect example. It should only be used as a last ditch effort (like World War 2...when force was geniunely needed).

I think re-instating the draft is a horrible idea unless World War 3 were to happen and the world was actually in danger. As of now, the chances of this are still quite low, but any other skirmishes we find ourselves in will fuel the fire (like if John McCain wanted to bust into georgia and start flexing his muslce against the russians). Americans have proven to band together in times of need, but have been resistent to fight unecessary wars for political gain. No one should be forced to fight these senseless wars and, if the draft were to be instated, you'd see more social divide then we currently have.

70 year old, out of touch men should not be the voice of lower generations that are completely different from them.

I endorse this post.

[TailgateNut]

exactly, repubs are pro war then they complain when they have to pay for it. No new taxes.



you forgot that they are pro war and then are unwilling to run to the recruiter to back up their cheers. A few on this board fit that bill. Pro war, unless they need to dodge bullets, then they claim some sort of medical issue or other hardship.

[bronclvr]

GarciaBronco and SonOfLe-loLang,

I apologize if I came off a little harsh-I respect your opinions, and wondered if I should have Posted at all-I guess I just love my Country (and all of it's faults) too much-

A question (in my mind anyway) is, if someone won't step into conflicts (such as this one in Georgia) who will? Do we just let Communism spread unabated? We sure don't need to force Democracy on other Countries if they don't want it, but in the absense of conscience, don't people just listen to whomever is yelling the loudest?

I don't have any answers here, just looking for thoughts-

[SonOfLe-loLang]

GarciaBronco and SonOfLe-loLang,

I apologize if I came off a little harsh-I respect your opinions, and wondered if I should have Posted at all-I guess I just love my Country (and all of it's faults) too much-

A question (in my mind anyway) is, if someone won't step into conflicts (such as this one in Georgia) who will? Do we just let Communism spread unabated? We sure don't need to force Democracy on other Countries if they don't want it, but in the absense of conscience, don't people just listen to whomever is yelling the loudest?

I don't have any answers here, just looking for thoughts-


Communism is not some evil ideology, but i understand its a buzz word that was made into a curse during the cold war. Militaristic authoritarianism is probably more accurate (though i know "communist countries" have adopted this). Their really is no simple solution to the russia/georgia conflict as the reasons for it occuring are so incredibly layered with poor foriegn policy from both sides (post soviet break up). Also, Georgia was just as foolish for starting the conflict and Russia's response was obviously too heavy. But Russia is not the threat it once was and they still consider Georgia and important sphere of influence after we decided to bring many of their former properities into NATO. We should have saw this all coming after we recognized kosovo as an independent entity. Obviously, oil plays a part in this as well. But russia is not nazi germany (in fact i think their GDP is even dwarfed by Poland). Sitting and back and doing not much is all we can do.

Simply put, we cannot just invade countries because we don't like the way they govern. Pressing a militaristic agenda, without much research and sufficient cause will create more problems than the ones that currently exist. Plus, we can't really afford it and its not our responsibility. It's a changing world and we have to accept our place and plan accordingly here on forward to remain a superpower.

[Drek]

GarciaBronco and SonOfLe-loLang,

I apologize if I came off a little harsh-I respect your opinions, and wondered if I should have Posted at all-I guess I just love my Country (and all of it's faults) too much-

A question (in my mind anyway) is, if someone won't step into conflicts (such as this one in Georgia) who will? Do we just let Communism spread unabated? We sure don't need to force Democracy on other Countries if they don't want it, but in the absense of conscience, don't people just listen to whomever is yelling the loudest?

I don't have any answers here, just looking for thoughts-
1. Going to war to prevent the spread of communism is the worst possible concept ever conceived.

Communism is a different political school of thought and is equally viable on paper as our own capitalist republic. There is nothing wrong with theoretical communism.

The only time we should step in as it pertains to communism is in that real world communism can only survive in the vein of a pyramid scheme, constantly expanding and creating a wider base of lower class while the "early investors" see returns.

War is just when it is for humanitarian efforts, to protect the nation, or to protect our valued allies.

And we lose the right to go to war on humanitarian grounds when we pick and chose what humanitarian battles are worth fighting based on the easy battles that line politician's pockets.

World War level of conflicts with clear black and white, good and evil line in the sand sides are few and far between. Iraq certainly wasn't one, but now that one is forming, expansion of a fascist Russian nation, we sit on our thumbs and play politics because much of Europe relies on the fascist's oil.

Once upon a time this nation was governed by people who truly ran for office to serve their constituency, not line their pockets and their corporate financier friends.

Reagan was the last president who actually gave a damn, and he governed far too much by his own moral compass and not the moral compass of the nation.

McCain admitted as much in his 2002 book that he wants to be president because of personal ambition, and you can see the grounds to which he'll go to achieve that goal in how vigorously he's flipped from being an anti-Bush centrist to a GOP party line toting neocon.

[Hotrod]

you forgot that they are pro war and then are unwilling to run to the recruiter to back up their cheers. A few on this board fit that bill. Pro war, unless they need to dodge bullets, then they claim some sort of medical issue or other hardship.

Ok but how about those that have served do we get a special catagory? Maybe somewhere in the middle or what???

[TailgateNut]

Ok but how about those that have served do we get a special catagory? Maybe somewhere in the middle or what???

Speak your mind, but don't think it will automatically qualify you for CIC (see McCain).

[Garcia Bronco]

GarciaBronco and SonOfLe-loLang,

I apologize if I came off a little harsh-I respect your opinions, and wondered if I should have Posted at all-I guess I just love my Country (and all of it's faults) too much-

A question (in my mind anyway) is, if someone won't step into conflicts (such as this one in Georgia) who will? Do we just let Communism spread unabated? We sure don't need to force Democracy on other Countries if they don't want it, but in the absense of conscience, don't people just listen to whomever is yelling the loudest?

I don't have any answers here, just looking for thoughts-

Not at all. I whole heartedly agree with your position

[Garcia Bronco]

I only fight for causes I believe in.

So when we decide to liberate Tibet from Chinese oppression I'm enlisting the next day. But when we chose to invade more sovereign countries because we disagree with their moral and religious views, well, you can count me out.

Empty words. You don't have to wait. You can start now. There is no shame in being affraid to die.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think i can speak for everyone here when i say we respect your services and have deep respect for anyone willing to put their life on the line for the country. Trust me, no one is pissing on your accomplishments and work. Far from it.

Having said that, going to war in the name of humanitarian issues (when wars are RARELY fought for these reasons...its always political/economical) is a fine line. Yes, perhaps Saddam would still be torturing people, but our invervention in Iraq has made things much worse for not only iraq, but stability in the middle east as a whole, as well as our political standing in that region and around the world. Too often our politicians go into wars without truly thinking about the consequences and this was the perfect example. It should only be used as a last ditch effort (like World War 2...when force was geniunely needed).

I think re-instating the draft is a horrible idea unless World War 3 were to happen and the world was actually in danger. As of now, the chances of this are still quite low, but any other skirmishes we find ourselves in will fuel the fire (like if John McCain wanted to bust into georgia and start flexing his muslce against the russians). Americans have proven to band together in times of need, but have been resistent to fight unecessary wars for political gain. No one should be forced to fight these senseless wars and, if the draft were to be instated, you'd see more social divide then we currently have.

70 year old, out of touch men should not be the voice of lower generations that are completely different from them.



You are looking at the now and not the big picture. In time, this will have all been a good thing. It always ends up that way.

[bronclvr]

Not at all. I whole heartedly agree with your position

Thanks-

[SonOfLe-loLang]

You are looking at the now and not the big picture. In time, this will have all been a good thing. It always ends up that way.

What does this even mean? BS. If reinstituted now, it will be abused. no question in my mind.

[elsid13]

It really is a stupid idea. Conscript rarely make good soldiers and marines, and with the way the warfare has evolved it more important then ever to have talented dedicated prprofessionals then untrained overweight mass.

Some will use WWII as an example but, that was singular event that no longer is usefully comparison for the way conflicts occur now. We can do today with single bomber today what hundreds of sorties in WWII couldn't.

[BroncoBuff]

Another flop from McFlip. Actually not a flip flop. He's always hinted that he would reinstate the draft if elected, as documented here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/20/mccain-support-draft/
He doesn't actually believe that, this is just another example of what a jello-brain he is. As has been rumored from inside the campaign, McCain agrees with whatever the last person he spoke to told him. Here, there was a woman in a town-hall crowd that apparently made some comments that included her belief we needed to resurrect the draft. McCain responded, "I don't disageree with anything you said."

NBC's Chuck Todd said that if McCain actually does come out for a draft, Obama's lead (such as it is) would double overnight.


Off the point, but I gotta say again that Obama simply MUST choose Hillary. The Hillary voters are peeling off by the score .... and McCain is on a roll here lately. All this reminds me that, as Vince Lombardi said, WINNING is not everything, it's the only thing.

[Rohirrim]

You are looking at the now and not the big picture. In time, this will have all been a good thing. It always ends up that way.

Wow! Garcia has morphed into Candide. Ha!

[Rohirrim]

He doesn't actually believe that, this is just another example of what a jello-brain he is. As has been rumored from inside the campaign, McCain agrees with whatever the last person he spoke to told him. Here, there was a woman in a town-hall crowd that apparently made some comments that included her belief we needed to resurrect the draft. McCain responded, "I don't disageree with anything you said."



Man, what a buzz kill. Of course he believes it. He has said it many different ways in the past. Believe me, elect McBush and it means war and the draft. WAR AND THE DRAFT! WAR AND THE DRAFT! ROFL!

[Garcia Bronco]

Wow! Garcia has morphed into Candide. Ha!

I am always optimistic.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Empty words. You don't have to wait. You can start now. There is no shame in being affraid to die.
:rofl:
This coming from a Bush supporter who never would say why he wouldn't volunteer for the "Cause".

[Bob]

Gentlemen, I stand at the sidelines and read most all of the Posts here(most of them are pretty silly at times, but it is fun to watch, and there are some really passionate people on here). I do not wish to debate them as I will not change your opinion, nor will you change mine. I come here for Broncos talk because there are some really knowlegeable, likable people here.

I served my Country, and did it because I felt I needed to contribute my fair share to defend my Family, and I felt it was the right thing to do, whether I agreed to it's Policies or not (and whether I died or not). You have a right to complain (or b****)-it is your right, but do not p*** on those of us who have served-do you not like the Freedoms that our Boys (and Girls) have sacrificed themselves for (right or wrong-be it Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, any other of the "non-Wars")? Many of them did it for their Country (and an idea) and felt passionately about it.

Personally, I am for the Draft-it has served us well in the past, and I was caught up in it and am still standing. Had we not intervened in other Countries "business", France would be part of Germany, South Korea would be a slave state and Sadaam would still be torturing people-I don't like War, and we have made some real bone-headed moves in the past I agree. I am not a War monger, but you have to make a stand somewhere (or what DO you stand for?), and let people know someone will stand next to them when there is little hope-as they say, Freedom is not free. amesj, it is not for you, it is for 'us"-as a whole.

O.K., that is off my chest, you can go back to your regularly scheduled program-

Thanks for your post ... you should try it more, we need some sanity around here...

[Bob]

I think that sometimes in reporting news, it is created through what if scenarios ...

McCain has been used to speaking off the cuff and trying to say something cute or relevant, unfortunately he frequently fails on both counts.

His 3 million dollar debate response was a future Dem attack ad the moment he spoke it, and he knew it. I have to wonder what I would say with cameras on my almost 24 -7, each time knowing that one verbal misstep you will nailed to the wall. If McCain said it with candor and seriousness it will also be another attack ad, and a potentially dangerous one.

[Bob]

Communism is not some evil ideology, but i understand its a buzz word that was made into a curse during the cold war. Militaristic authoritarianism is probably more accurate (though i know "communist countries" have adopted this). Their really is no simple solution to the russia/georgia conflict as the reasons for it occuring are so incredibly layered with poor foriegn policy from both sides (post soviet break up). Also, Georgia was just as foolish for starting the conflict and Russia's response was obviously too heavy. But Russia is not the threat it once was and they still consider Georgia and important sphere of influence after we decided to bring many of their former properities into NATO. We should have saw this all coming after we recognized kosovo as an independent entity. Obviously, oil plays a part in this as well. But russia is not nazi germany (in fact i think their GDP is even dwarfed by Poland). Sitting and back and doing not much is all we can do.

Simply put, we cannot just invade countries because we don't like the way they govern. Pressing a militaristic agenda, without much research and sufficient cause will create more problems than the ones that currently exist. Plus, we can't really afford it and its not our responsibility. It's a changing world and we have to accept our place and plan accordingly here on forward to remain a superpower.

If people chose Communism via vote I would be ok with that .. but dont know any time it has been, or sustained through the voice of the people -- any far extreme idea crushes dissent and choice -- collectivism is the same way if one has choice in the matter the whole system breaks down -- and the few start leaching off the many -- it is an all or nothing proposition...when it comes to the federal government. While if a few Monks choose communial living, it still is under the laws of another government IN addition to its own spiritual laws that one can choose to leave at any time without fear of inprisonment.