View Full Version : Hall running down competition, Has sights on starting job
dragondawg
08-20-2008, 02:11 AM
http://www.thedenverdailynews.com/article.php?aID=1585
watermock
08-20-2008, 02:30 AM
Hall looked like the better back last week...I was hoping for some T-Train....
cutler_to_marshall
08-20-2008, 09:32 AM
what is the deal with Hall being a "smallish back"? The guy is 5'10 and 212 pounds? How much more weight is he supposed to have?
Los Broncos
08-20-2008, 09:35 AM
I like Hall but Selvin should be starting.
BMarsh615
08-20-2008, 09:44 AM
I think Hall should get more carries then Selvin Young this year. Selvin brings more to the table then Hall does because he is faster and can catch passes. But Hall is the better runner between the two IMO.
EDIT: I guess Hall is faster than Selvin is based on 40 times. Start the man!ROFL!
Cosmo
08-20-2008, 09:47 AM
I don't see how he's 5'10".
Dude has got to be shorter than that.
Inkana7
08-20-2008, 09:50 AM
He looks so small on the field.
Broncosmang
08-20-2008, 09:53 AM
Teams always list players as bigger than they are. I remember my freshman year being listed as a 6'5" 210 lb te. Shoot I was barely 6'3" and a buck nothin
Inkana7
08-20-2008, 10:05 AM
I was always listed an inch taller and 10-12 lbs heavier than I actually was.
DarkHorse
08-20-2008, 10:32 AM
Wasnt TD listed at 5'10 215 or 220?
Hall doesn't seem near as big as Davis was.
2KBack
08-20-2008, 10:44 AM
Wasnt TD listed at 5'10 215 or 220?
Hall doesn't seem near as big as Davis was.
TD came in listed at 206lbs, I've never seen him listed at more than 210
RBBC for sure this year.
This will be an issue we revisit again next season. I don't see Young being an every down back.
Hamrob
08-20-2008, 01:00 PM
If you take the time to look at other NFL rosters...you'll find that both Young and Hall compare size wize very well with many of the elite RB's in the league. Thinking back, they're about the same size as was Thurman Thomas, Emmett Smith and T.D.
Ladanian Tomlinson is only 5'10" 220lbs. Sure there are the L.J.'s and Peterson's out there...but there are just as many if not more that are in the same size range as are Young and Hall.
I think when you are evaluating RB's it really has everything to due with talent that is a combination of SPEED x POWER. If you are explosive, you can perform in the NFL.
My knock on both Young and Hall is...I don't think they are as powerful as say a L.T. is or even a Thomas Jones or Maurice Jones-Drew and their not as fast as a Clinton Portis, Michael Bennett or Brian Westbrook.
Young and Hall are kind of a step behind in both categories...that's why they are only average backs (IMO). Our sytem will help them, and their servicable...but anyone thinking either of these two can develop into an elite back is seriously dreaming.
If you take the time to look at other NFL rosters...you'll find that both Young and Hall compare size wize very well with many of the elite RB's in the league. Thinking back, they're about the same size as was Thurman Thomas, Emmett Smith and T.D.
Ladanian Tomlinson is only 5'10" 220lbs. Sure there are the L.J.'s and Peterson's out there...but there are just as many if not more that are in the same size range as are Young and Hall.
I think when you are evaluating RB's it really has everything to due with talent that is a combination of SPEED x POWER. If you are explosive, you can perform in the NFL.
My knock on both Young and Hall is...I don't think they are as powerful as say a L.T. is or even a Thomas Jones or Maurice Jones-Drew and their not as fast as a Clinton Portis, Michael Bennett or Brian Westbrook.
Young and Hall are kind of a step behind in both categories...that's why they are only average backs (IMO). Our sytem will help them, and their servicable...but anyone thinking either of these two can develop into an elite back is seriously dreaming.
agreed. however, hall wasn't unnoticed here when we got him through fa. I remember quite a few people, and even some blurbs in the press that he would be starting next(this) season. I brushed it off as a fluff and really put my heart behind selvin.
but after watching the dallas game again, I don't know how anyone can't be pulling for hall.
there were many posts here about it being a wash between him and selvin, and I honestly can't see how anyone would say that.
he ran for a td from the 1, to the 1 on a 4th down, bounced off, zach thomas,tank johnson, and roy williams for a first, returned a kick to the 35(which is incredible on this team) and even powered down to the three on the play before bmarsh's td.
he only had two runs that didn't go anywhere, and they were both because nate jackson is the worst blocking te in league history. he's even a bad blocker for a wr... two of his players got to hall on the first drive we were stopped on.
he ran hard with a sprained ankle last year in chitown and has a GREAT(albiet, not elite) but GREAT combo of power and speed.
If he can work on his vision just a tad...which I think he will with the great bobby turner as his coach, he can be great. and a great running back in this system, is the same as an elite rb on almost every other team.
not to mention, our passing game is looking very good, and that will open up lanes we haven't seen here in ten years...
I like selvin, and think he is a great 3rd down back with his pass pro, and recieving ability on screens and such, but give it to hall on 1st and 2nd and see what happens.
Popps
08-20-2008, 01:14 PM
Wish we had a Mike Anderson type who could pound the ball. We've definitely got the "2" part of the 1-2 punch. We need the 1.
Hall has a ton of upside. I've been hoping we'd see more of him since last year.
Wonder if it's worth looking at a guy like Duckett if he's released.
Inkana7
08-20-2008, 01:16 PM
TJ Duckett is about as good as Pittman at this stage.
Wish we had a Mike Anderson type who could pound the ball. We've definitely got the "2" part of the 1-2 punch. We need the 1.
Hall has a ton of upside. I've been hoping we'd see more of him since last year.
Wonder if it's worth looking at a guy like Duckett if he's released.
I think mike will probably use the spot on torain and not pup him. From all accounts here, torain is that bruiser, although I have never ever seen him play so I can't be sure.
if torain is as good as advertised, when he is healthy, torain, selvin and hall is not a bad stable of backs. we will just have to wait and see, i guess...
Ziggy
08-20-2008, 01:20 PM
Torrain brought toughness to the running game that Hall and Young don't. I think he was on his way to sneaking into the starting spot when he went down. I think that Shanny will keep him on the roster, and it'll give us fresh legs and a power back to compliment the other 2 later in the season.
Beantown Bronco
08-20-2008, 01:28 PM
Torrain brought toughness to the running game that Hall and Young don't.
After watching the Dallas game, I can say with quite a bit of confidence that Hall brings toughness to the running game.
Inkana7
08-20-2008, 01:30 PM
After watching the Dallas game, I can say with quite a bit of confidence that Hall brings toughness to the running game.
Agree.
Agree.
sometimes I wonder if we are all watching the same team. Hall is nick named the bowling ball, and it's easy to see why. to me, his ascension into the starting line-up is only dependent on him being more consistent, not on any physical limitations. He seems alright in that category.
Hamrob
08-20-2008, 01:38 PM
agreed. however, hall wasn't unnoticed here when we got him through fa. I remember quite a few people, and even some blurbs in the press that he would be starting next(this) season. I brushed it off as a fluff and really put my heart behind selvin.
but after watching the dallas game again, I don't know how anyone can't be pulling for hall.
there were many posts here about it being a wash between him and selvin, and I honestly can't see how anyone would say that.
he ran for a td from the 1, to the 1 on a 4th down, bounced off, zach thomas,tank johnson, and roy williams for a first, returned a kick to the 35(which is incredible on this team) and even powered down to the three on the play before bmarsh's td.
he only had two runs that didn't go anywhere, and they were both because nate jackson is the worst blocking te in league history. he's even a bad blocker for a wr... two of his players got to hall on the first drive we were stopped on.
he ran hard with a sprained ankle last year in chitown and has a GREAT(albiet, not elite) but GREAT combo of power and speed.
If he can work on his vision just a tad...which I think he will with the great bobby turner as his coach, he can be great. and a great running back in this system, is the same as an elite rb on almost every other team.
not to mention, our passing game is looking very good, and that will open up lanes we haven't seen here in ten years...
I like selvin, and think he is a great 3rd down back with his pass pro, and recieving ability on screens and such, but give it to hall on 1st and 2nd and see what happens.Of the two I like Hall better. I think he has more power and better vision than does Young. Young still goes down with arm tackle and seems (to Me) to be very clumsy...almost ala Mike Bell. Many posters seem to think Young is fast...I just haven't seen it. Even last year...when he did get in the open field...he was chased down from behind. I'm with you on Hall, I'm hoping he's the guy...but I don't expect alot of the success we saw at the goal line during the Dallas game...during the real season. Man, I hope I'm wrong.
Ziggy
08-20-2008, 01:40 PM
After watching the Dallas game, I can say with quite a bit of confidence that Hall brings toughness to the running game.
Maybe I should have said that Torrain brings an extra measure of toughness. I saw it in the practices at camp. He runs tougher and harder than Hall. I might be mistaken on this one. Aapa? Kaylore?
Atlas
08-20-2008, 01:42 PM
He looks so small on the field.
I agree that can't be his true size. I mean TD was 5'10" 208 lbs. Hall doesn't look as big as TD.
He does run hard. He runs harder than Selvin and he is faster than Selvin but he isn't as quick. Even though they aren't big I believe they are going to make a great 1-2 punch at RB.
I'm with you on Hall, I'm hoping he's the guy...but I don't expect alot of the success we saw at the goal line during the Dallas game...during the real season. Man, I hope I'm wrong.
I expect it for two reasons. our oline is much much better than last year, and most imortantly, shanahan trusts cutler to throw the ball. what success(albiet small) we had last year in the redzone, was usually a throw.
also, sapp looked phenomenal on the goaline in that forst drive. He took out thomas on the 4th down, and on the td, he knocked thomas down, stayed on his feet and blocked a second lb. I have never been a fan of sapps, but against midget lb's, he's fairly good.
don't forget hillis, and graham, sheff, stockely, bmarsh and cutler will be much improved around the redzone.
I think we will actually be one of the better teams this year in red zone offense.
NorthPABroncFan
08-20-2008, 01:49 PM
If we're looking for a power back, might I suggest yet another rookie... namely Mr. Hillis. I'm hoping to see him in some short yardage sets yet this preseason; I think he's more like Brandon Jacobs than a classic Lorenzo Neal-style fullback.
Meantime, I have no problem with either Hall or Young as the starting back - although I haven't seen Young show the breakaway speed he had last season now that he's bulked up.
COWBELL
08-20-2008, 02:10 PM
Hall reminds me a little of MJD out in Jacksonville. I think Mike gives him a shot in the opener. Either way both Selvin and Hall will be replaced by Torian when he gets healthy.
Atlas
08-20-2008, 02:15 PM
I expect it for two reasons. our oline is much much better than last year, and most imortantly, shanahan trusts cutler to throw the ball. what success(albiet small) we had last year in the redzone, was usually a throw.
also, sapp looked phenomenal on the goaline in that forst drive. He took out thomas on the 4th down, and on the td, he knocked thomas down, stayed on his feet and blocked a second lb. I have never been a fan of sapps, but against midget lb's, he's fairly good.
don't forget hillis, and graham, sheff, stockely, bmarsh and cutler will be much improved around the redzone.
I think we will actually be one of the better teams this year in red zone offense.
That's a good post. I belive Denver's poor goal line play last year wasn't the O-line's fault or the RBs. I think it was Cutler's inexperience. Goalline offense is one of the hardest things for a QB to master. With Cutler being more efficient and experienced down there that will make the O-line's job much easier.
Anaximines
08-20-2008, 02:17 PM
bring back Q!
montrose
08-20-2008, 02:29 PM
If Torain comes back healthy, I think we're in damn good shape with he, Hall and Young. Don't forget Sapp can play the position in a pinch as well. I'm beginning to think Apa may be right about Alridge, although I bet Shanny wants to keep on the PS if possible.
chickennob2
08-20-2008, 03:03 PM
What a terrible bunch of running backs to watch on the field. Who the hell picked these numbers? 23, 35, and if Torain comes back, 42. I guess it's stupid, but I have a certain range of numbers that are good/intimidating on a running back. And neither of those 3 are part of that list. These numbers should all belong to defensive backs, not ball carriers.
(For the record: 20, 30, 28, 32, 38, 25, 34 and potentially 26 for CP).
Popps
08-20-2008, 03:18 PM
I think mike will probably use the spot on torain and not pup him. From all accounts here, torain is that bruiser, although I have never ever seen him play so I can't be sure.
if torain is as good as advertised, when he is healthy, torain, selvin and hall is not a bad stable of backs. we will just have to wait and see, i guess...
Could be. I just hate to have to wait 6 games or so to find out if he's any good.... AND if he can even stay healthy. That's a lot of season to wait out.
Selvin Young is fine. He's Mike Bell with slightly better moves/hands. But, he's no feature-back and certainly not a pounder. Pittman might be interesting running with the first team. I'd like to see what he's got with the top blockers out there.
Hall is clearly our dynamic, threat-type back. But, I hope we can find a chain-mover.
BroncoMan4ever
08-20-2008, 03:24 PM
i can't see wasting a roster spot on a guy who was injured in camp and never put on pads and took hits for real.
hell every year there are guys who look great in camp and then disappear during the season. for that reason Torain has to end up on IR.
Atlas
08-20-2008, 03:27 PM
What a terrible bunch of running backs to watch on the field. Who the hell picked these numbers? 23, 35, and if Torain comes back, 42. I guess it's stupid, but I have a certain range of numbers that are good/intimidating on a running back. And neither of those 3 are part of that list. These numbers should all belong to defensive backs, not ball carriers.
(For the record: 20, 30, 28, 32, 38, 25, 34 and potentially 26 for CP).
If Selvin rushed for 1,500 yards the #35 would become intimidating. The only reasons these numbers 20, 30, 28, 32, 38, 25, 34 and potentially 26 for CP are intimidating is because RBs have dominated in them. If Selvin or Hall dominates their numbers will become "power numbers".
Hamrob
08-20-2008, 08:55 PM
I just don't get all this love for Torrain. The guy was a 5th round back...that probably wouldn't have went until the 7th if we didn't take him. He has a history of being injured and guess what...he's injured once again!
Look, I hope he turns out to be good as much as the next guy...but even if he is able to come back this year...he's still a rookie...and one who will have zero experience in the preseason and very little upper body strength. You just don't bust up an elbow and still be able to work the weights. What could we really expect from this guy this year?
My vote is to place him on the IR and move on. He and Powell can work to get ready for next season!
BroncoBuff
08-20-2008, 09:18 PM
TJ Duckett is about as good as Pittman at this stage.
And both could easily get cut ... Duckett more likely.
watermock
08-20-2008, 09:44 PM
I agree...Hillis still might give us somethin red zone...he was a go to guy at ark when they had other options!
Inkana7
08-20-2008, 09:47 PM
I just don't get all this love for Torrain. The guy was a 5th round back...that probably wouldn't have went until the 7th if we didn't take him. He has a history of being injured and guess what...he's injured once again!
Look, I hope he turns out to be good as much as the next guy...but even if he is able to come back this year...he's still a rookie...and one who will have zero experience in the preseason and very little upper body strength. You just don't bust up an elbow and still be able to work the weights. What could we really expect from this guy this year?
My vote is to place him on the IR and move on. He and Powell can work to get ready for next season!
Busting your goddamned Elbow doesn't grant you the title of injury-prone. Sorry.
Rock Chalk
08-20-2008, 09:56 PM
I watched the game again and Hall looked good on about 4 runs. Selving looked good on 4 runs. Hall was not in there for pass protection so there can be no comparison, nor is he used out of the backfield.
So judging based on runs, Selvin and Hall are about Equal going from what I have got to see on the field.
Why Selvin will start and be spelled by Hall is his versatility in the rest of the game. I dont care how good of a runner you are, if you cannot pass protect, you dont belong on the field. Similar to receivers who do not block. They do not belong.
And if you cant help out of the backfield, why the hell is he still on the team? He is not cut and dried so much better than Selvin at running. On two of the plays Selvin got stopped short on, Zach Thomas (a probably HoFer) shot the gap before he could even get to the line. Hardly Selvin's fault.
I mean, you people are ready to put Hall who is limited in most aspects of the game on the field as the starter. Selvin in limited time got 1100 yards last year, showed excellent vision and has PROVEN to be able to run the ball, pass protect, catch out of the backfield and do whatever is necessary.
Hall has not.
The coaches have Selvin #1 for a reason, you people need to understand that there is more to the Denver running backs than just running between the tackles.
Inkana7
08-20-2008, 10:00 PM
I watched the game again and Hall looked good on about 4 runs. Selving looked good on 4 runs. Hall was not in there for pass protection so there can be no comparison, nor is he used out of the backfield.
So judging based on runs, Selvin and Hall are about Equal going from what I have got to see on the field.
Why Selvin will start and be spelled by Hall is his versatility in the rest of the game. I dont care how good of a runner you are, if you cannot pass protect, you dont belong on the field. Similar to receivers who do not block. They do not belong.
And if you cant help out of the backfield, why the hell is he still on the team? He is not cut and dried so much better than Selvin at running. On two of the plays Selvin got stopped short on, Zach Thomas (a probably HoFer) shot the gap before he could even get to the line. Hardly Selvin's fault.
I mean, you people are ready to put Hall who is limited in most aspects of the game on the field as the starter. Selvin in limited time got 1100 yards last year, showed excellent vision and has PROVEN to be able to run the ball, pass protect, catch out of the backfield and do whatever is necessary.
Hall has not.
The coaches have Selvin #1 for a reason, you people need to understand that there is more to the Denver running backs than just running between the tackles.
That is exactly why Selvin is the starter. He's a fantastic pass blocker and has great hands out of the backfield. He said that's one of the things he worked on this offseason.
*WARHORSE*
08-20-2008, 10:55 PM
The fact that Hall got the goaline carries says everything to me.
That is exactly why Selvin is the starter. He's a fantastic pass blocker and has great hands out of the backfield. He said that's one of the things he worked on this offseason.
actually it was hall who protected cutler's backside on the bmarsh td and alsp picked up a blitzer on one of cutler's throws to the flats....
he had two good pickups...one for a td, and another for a red zone completion.
he had only two bad runs...and again...nate jackson was in the play so it really isn't fair to judge...
hall is stronger, probably quicker and functional in pass-pro.
selvin is a better reciever and IS better in pass pro....that is why i think he would be an EXCELLENT 3rd down back....pick up the blitz and catch screens or bail-outs....
i predict hall on first, second and 3rd and shorts...and selvin whenever we go to single back,3wr or when the d is expected to line up in nickel formations. I know shanny is smart, so he will probably agree with me here.http://www.orangemane.com/BB/images/smilies/approve.gif