I was kinda hoping Croyle would have done better

[Spider]

for Crazy horse ......... there is still time though

[Tombstone RJ]

I hope Croyle does just enough for the chefs not to draft a real QB with their first round pick next year...

[Spider]

I hope Croyle does just enough for the chefs not to draft a real QB with their first round pick next year...

I just want Crazy Horse to enjoy a damn good season

[tsiguy96]

I hope Croyle does just enough for the chefs not to draft a real QB with their first round pick next year...

second. the longer we keep all chiefs fans in football misery the better.

[theAPAOps5]

I just want Crazy Horse to enjoy a damn good season

We could adopt him as an Honorary Bronco fan. Then he will have a few good seasons.

But I get your point and I agree.

[Spider]

second. the longer we keep all chiefs fans in football misery the better.

No not Crazy Horse ...........if it helps , think of joe delany . a real hero and a chief

[Spider]

We could adopt him as an Honorary Bronco fan. Then he will have a few good seasons.

But I get your point and I agree.

;D I am just thankful Crazy isnt a Raiders fan .........

[cutthemdown]

I just want Crazy Horse to enjoy a damn good season

That's why the board helped him out a little so we can still hate the chefs

[Spider]

That's why the board helped him out a little so we can still hate the chefs

;D yeah but this year , no bashing of the chiefs from me ..........

[PaintballCLE]

;D yeah but this year , no bashing of the chiefs from me ..........

WTF did they give you at the ER??????? I think your still doped upHilarious!

[Spider]

WTF did they give you at the ER??????? I think your still doped upHilarious!

LOL I am felling pretty good right now , I have ot go back in couple of hours ..... we are starting to make some headway ;D

[DenverBrit]

I just want Crazy Horse to enjoy a damn good season

:thumbsup:

[crazyhorse]

I think most Chiefs fans understand this this is a work in progress. As much as I would like the Chiefs to have a big year, I have come to terms with the rebuilding project.

Damn nice thing to say though Spider. The sentiment is much appreciated.

If Edwards would have put Croyle in early last year we would know more about what to expect this season. He'll be better than last year, but probably a middle of the road QB at best by the end of the season.

Ya never know what will happen. But to be honest, I'm looking for another good draft before we start to come around. If Croyle doesn't improve, QB may be the 1st rounder for us next year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Compare Croyle's first two preseason games last year to this year. It's not even close. Last year he was an interception machine.

The kid hasn't even started 10 games in the NFL.

[Ironlung]

Seriously....No joke, I would be bummed if Croyle was the starter for my favorite football team.

[broncosteven]

Compare Croyle's first two preseason games last year to this year. It's not even close. Last year he was an interception machine.

The kid hasn't even started 10 games in the NFL.

so that makes him 0-10, I didn't know you could lose that many games and still be on an NFL squad.

[Bronx33]

Pork cracklins ARE a pregame meal! just ask brodie.

[cutthemdown]

Compare Croyle's first two preseason games last year to this year. It's not even close. Last year he was an interception machine.

The kid hasn't even started 10 games in the NFL.

exactly Croyle will struggle early this yr, if he looks better by end of the year then maybe he will be Chiefs starting qb for some yrs but I wouldn't say that is a lock yet.

Wouldn't you agree Cutler starting to look like a stud?

[broncosteven]

Broodie looks more comfortable in the pocket before he throws the ball away to kill a drive on 3rd down.

All the attributes to be nfl's winless wonder

[Killericon]

so that makes him 0-10, I didn't know you could lose that many games and still be on an NFL squad.

In before Bobo points it out...Croyle can't be 0-10 because he hasn't started 10 games yet.

[DeuceOfClub]

Meanwhile Herm is now $5,000,000 richer.

Enjoy your season.

[azbroncfan]

Compare Croyle's first two preseason games last year to this year. It's not even close. Last year he was an interception machine.

The kid hasn't even started 10 games in the NFL.

Weren't you the one saying he looked awesome last year?

[Kaylore]

Croyle will be lucky to be anything more than average. I realized what his problems are. Remember he's been in the league going on three years now and he still doesn't look much better than some QB's drafted this year.

The reason? Croyle isn't very bright. They had a special on Chiefs camp on NFL network and Brian Baldinger was talking to Croyle about the offense. Croyle said "Yeah the old system you had to say a lot of things and it was hard to keep straight and really complicated and things are much simpler now." Now remember, this was the same offense that guys like Trent Green and Damon Huard had no trouble running. It was a normal, NFL pro-style offense that was actually dumbed-down under Herm. Croyle struggled.

Now people can point to how he hasn't played that much and say that he's still learning, but the fact is other guys who have come in when he did and even after are ahead of him. When you look back it all makes sense; His slow development, his inability to beat out back up QB's - It's between the ears. At Alabama he didn't need to learn a complex offense. It was largely based on the run with a few simple reads. I've seen the guy and he doesn't seem very bright and it's pretty clear to me this guy is never going to be able look at defenses and demonstrate the type of mental ability that is necessary to be a really good QB. He has all the physical tools (aside from durability) he just doesn't have the gray matter.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That explains all the interceptions he's been throwing.

[Spider]

I think most Chiefs fans understand this this is a work in progress. As much as I would like the Chiefs to have a big year, I have come to terms with the rebuilding project.

Damn nice thing to say though Spider. The sentiment is much appreciated.

If Edwards would have put Croyle in early last year we would know more about what to expect this season. He'll be better than last year, but probably a middle of the road QB at best by the end of the season.

Ya never know what will happen. But to be honest, I'm looking for another good draft before we start to come around. If Croyle doesn't improve, QB may be the 1st rounder for us next year.

Hang in there , you still got LJ a great RB can make up for a weak QB

[DHallblows]

That explains all the interceptions he's been throwing.

Quality response as always

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well, it's true. If Croyle was SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer.

Where were all you haters when he had a GOOD appearance last week? Probably the same place you'll be the next time he plays well.

[tsiguy96]

Well, it's true. If Croyle was SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer.

Where were all you haters when he had a GOOD appearance last week? Probably the same place you'll be the next time he plays well.

youre right, well all disappear 2 or 3 weeks this year. until then, :blueflame

[Killericon]

Well, it's true. If Croyle was SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer.

Where were all you haters when he had a GOOD appearance last week? Probably the same place you'll be the next time he plays well.

Never has one troll squeezed so much juice out of one preseason game.

[Kaylore]

Never has one troll squeezed so much juice out of one preseason game.

Good QB's should look better and better as each preseason game goes along. Croyle looks worse. He's hot and cold and it's clearly his mental ability. I think Bob is so upset about this because deep down he knows I'm right.

I would say the comparison to Plummer is similar as we scaled the offense back for Plummer, but that had less to do with Plummer's mental ability and more to do with his poor work ethic during the week and offseason.

[crazyhorse]

Good QB's should look better and better as each preseason game goes along. Croyle looks worse. He's hot and cold and it's clearly his mental ability. I think Bob is so upset about this because deep down he knows I'm right.

I would say the comparison to Plummer is similar as we scaled the offense back for Plummer, but that had less to do with Plummer's mental ability and more to do with his poor work ethic during the week and offseason.

The KC offense was scaled back considerably for Huard as well. No rookie QB (which is what Croyle is whether you want to conceed that point or not) is going to come in a run an offense like the one KC was running without issue. You cited a perfect example of that in a previous post by using Huard as an example. While you say Huard was able to come in and run the offense well with little experience, the fact is he has quite a bit more experience than Croyle and the offense still had to be extensively simplified.

Another issue with scaling back the offense is the the continuety of the offenseive line. The offensive line was beginning to let Trent Green down before he moved on to Miami. When the older veterans started retiring the offense' success went with them. The effectiveness of the offense cant be blamed completely on Croyle. While I do think he needs to grow, it is obvious that you dont have the knowledge of the KC Chiefs to be making an informed decision about where they are as a team, or where Croyle is in his development.

The "dumbing down" of the offense has less to do with Croyle, and more to do with a youth movement in KC and trying to get young inexperienced players involved in an offense that took years of experience in it to be successful. The change in philosophy is for the good of the entire team, not just one person. If you had been more objective in your evaluation you would have been more accurate in yor assessment.

[Kaylore]

I think you can make a case for the philosophical adjustments, like going to a zone, being for the young guys and poor line play. That's definitely going to help. However your argument that the offense was scaled back for Huard doesn't hold water. Huard executed the offense in it's full form extremely well when he came in for an injured Trent Green. The next year they wanted Croyle to take over and even in that simplified form he couldn't beat out Huard. Huard wasn't supposed to be the starter last year. They were hoping Croyle would take the job and he couldn't out play him. Why? Because he didn't get the offense. It was too hard for him.

You say "well he's a rookie", but that's just untrue. He's in his third year there. Phillip Rivers was "a rookie" in his third year and he played well enough in preseason to establish that he knew what they were doing on offense. Other guys like Trent Edwards, Chad Henne and Colt Brennan showed very early that they had the ability to grasp the offense and make plays in it early - especially in preseason which is like "NFL lite" where things are simpler than the regular season. In fact all of them have played well in the preseason.

Croyle said himself it was too hard. I heard him and you can probably go find it on NFL.com. He said he had trouble with the offense and it was too complex. The game mentally is too big for him. Now maybe with a gimmicky offense of him running the boot with one or two reads and better run blocking there will be enough to allow your defense to get the Chiefs making some noise. It's not impossible and there might be enough there to get into the playoffs when the team gets better in a year or two. Unfortunately I think if that happens, the makeup will come off in the playoffs and when teams shut down the run Croyle will be exposed and his mental deficiencies will be too hard to overcome. We've been there.

But maybe I'll be wrong.

[crazyhorse]

I think you can make a case for the philosophical adjustments, like going to a zone, being for the young guys and poor line play. That's definitely going to help. However your argument that the offense was scaled back for Huard doesn't hold water. Huard executed the offense in it's full form extremely well when he came in for an injured Trent Green. The next year they wanted Croyle to take over and even in that simplified form he couldn't beat out Huard. Huard wasn't supposed to be the starter last year. They were hoping Croyle would take the job and he couldn't out play him. Why? Because he didn't get the offense. It was too hard for him.

You say "well he's a rookie", but that's just untrue. He's in his third year there. Phillip Rivers was "a rookie" in his third year and he played well enough in preseason to establish that he knew what they were doing on offense. Other guys like Trent Edwards, Chad Henne and Colt Brennan showed very early that they had the ability to grasp the offense and make plays in it early - especially in preseason which is like "NFL lite" where things are simpler than the regular season. In fact all of them have played well in the preseason.

Croyle said himself it was too hard. I heard him and you can probably go find it on NFL.com. He said he had trouble with the offense and it was too complex. The game mentally is too big for him. Now maybe with a gimmicky offense of him running the boot with one or two reads and better run blocking there will be enough to allow your defense to get the Chiefs making some noise. It's not impossible and there might be enough there to get into the playoffs when the team gets better in a year or two. Unfortunately I think if that happens, the makeup will come off in the playoffs and when teams shut down the run Croyle will be exposed and his mental deficiencies will be too hard to overcome. We've been there.

But maybe I'll be wrong.

The offense was limited with Huard in there even when he subbed for Green. Per Herm Edwards in his press conferences at the time.

No need to look whether Croyle said it was too complicated. I said it was too complicated for him or Huard and the offensive line. That pretty much covered the bases.

Using Rivers as an example running a different offense is a apples to oranges comparison.

You might be right. Croyle my not have the smarts to run an NFL offense. But you certainly dont have the information available to you to make that decision. Until you do, I'm just saying that your evaluation is more self serving than an accurate assessment of the progress of an NFL QB.

What you observe from the Chiefs is a direct reflection of a team in transition and not just a QB being plugged into an existing veteran NFL team. Every position on the offense is in flux with the exception of TE. Another notable point is Croyle has never played a regular season game with LJ at RB.

[LonghornBronco]

Hang in there , you still got LJ a great RB can make up for a weak QB

I'm confused... :saywhat: I thought you two were mortal enemies :confuzzle What the hell happened to the meet me at the truck stop so I can rearrange your face smack talk you two where spewing?:punched: :boxing:

[Inkana7]

Yeah, but he's got a hot wife.

[Kaylore]

Until you do, I'm just saying that your evaluation is more self serving than an accurate assessment of the progress of an NFL QB.
It is self-serving. Yeah, because I accomplish a lot for myself by making this statement. Oh wait. No I don't. Herm Edwards doesn't ask my opinion. And my opinion of Croyle has no effect on the Broncos. Actually my opinion doesn't serve me or anyone in any fashion beyond entertainment on a message board. Shucks.
What you observe from the Chiefs is a direct reflection of a team in transition and not just a QB being plugged into an existing veteran NFL team. Every position on the offense is in flux with the exception of TE. Another notable point is Croyle has never played a regular season game with LJ at RB.
LJ, if he can even come back and be nominal, will take some of the pressure off, but I'm not really speaking to how you guys plan to hide Croyle's deficiencies so much as Croyle on his own. I think he's football dumb.

[crazyhorse]

It is self-serving. Yeah, because I accomplish a lot for myself by making this statement. Oh wait. No I don't. Herm Edwards doesn't ask my opinion. And my opinion of Croyle has no effect on the Broncos. Actually my opinion doesn't serve me or anyone in any fashion beyond entertainment on a message board. Shucks.

LJ, if he can even come back and be nominal, will take some of the pressure off, but I'm not really speaking to how you guys plan to hide Croyle's deficiencies so much as Croyle on his own. I think he's football dumb.

You get great satisfaction in down playing all the Chiefs players. If you didn't, you would be more accurate. I think you probably have good judgement when your agenda doesn't get in the way. In this way, I consider your opinions self serving. I see the same agenda driven qualities when evaluating Broncos. You are equally as optimistic concerning the Broncos as you are pessimistic concerning the Chiefs. Nothing wrong with that.

No sense in getting bent out of shape. I'm certainly no expert on the matter. I don't try to come off like one either. Like some of us. I was simply trying to inject some variables concerning the state of the Chiefs offense and it's efficiency that apply here. Variables that played no part in your professional observations.

In the end we are both entitled to our opinion. But let's try to keep it civil.

[ZachKC]

You get great satisfaction in down playing all the Chiefs players. If you didn't, you would be more accurate. I think you probably have good judgement when your agenda doesn't get in the way. In this way, I consider your opinions self serving. I see the same agenda driven qualities when evaluating Broncos. You are equally as optimistic concerning the Broncos as you are pessimistic concerning the Chiefs. Nothing wrong with that.

No sense in getting bent out of shape. I'm certainly no expert on the matter. I don't try to come off like one either. Like some of us. I was simply trying to inject some variables concerning the state of the Chiefs offense and it's efficiency that apply here. Variables that played no part in your professional observations.

In the end we are both entitled to our opinion. But let's try to keep it civil.

:thanku:

[Spider]

I'm confused... :saywhat: I thought you two were mortal enemies :confuzzle What the hell happened to the meet me at the truck stop so I can rearrange your face smack talk you two where spewing?:punched: :boxing:

I am an asshole , but only to a point , most here knows what went down , I was in the wrong ...........and thats all you need to know

[Kaylore]

I'm being 100% honest when I say I think Croyle's not football smart. Will helping other areas of the Chiefs help Croyle? Of course. I don't think anyone is arguing they won't. You keep trying to change the subject to how the Chiefs will perform as a team and that if the team plays better so will Croyle. I'm not arguing that his teammates can't help him, and I haven't said much about the team beyond him being exposed against good rush defenses. I'm saying he's not smart and it's the biggest reason why he's developed so slowly and it will be a problem for him in the future. Bowe will help, so will Gonzo, so will better line play. It won't change the fact that when the chips are down, Croyle isn't smart enough to be more than "pretty good" and run a gimmicky offense. I would say the same thing about Michael Vick, and I don't care about the Falcons one way or the other.

Could I be wrong? Of course. But his slow development, his inability to grasp offenses even when they're simplified and his most recent comments all lead me to believe this way.

[KCStud]

If anybody was not smart it was Mike Solari. He couldn't formulate a gameplan to save his life.

Just watching Croyle so far this year is much different than last year. I think Gailey was the best OC we could have hoped for. Gailey, unlike Solari, can formulate a gameplan to fit his QB's strength which for Brodie is his speed and arm strength.

The reason we dumbed down the playbook was not because of Brodie. I don't know where anybody got that from. The reason we are making it more simple is because we have a vast amount of rookies on our team who will make big impacts.

Will Franklin, Jamaal Charles, Mike Cox, Brad Cottam and Branden Albert will make big strides this season and Gailey is making it easier for them.

Personally, I think Croyle is a better QB than Kellen Clemmons, John Beck, Alex Smith, Tavaris Jackson and any QB Chicago chooses to field.

I would be pleased if Croyle put up stats around 15 TD's and 10 INT's with 3,000 passing yards.

And another thing people need to understand is that Huard is looking good because he is playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers. Huard looked HORRIBLE last year with his worst game being against the Broncos at Arrowhead.

[Bronx33]

Well, it's true. If Croyle was SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer.

Where were all you haters when he had a GOOD appearance last week? Probably the same place you'll be the next time he plays well.



Brodie can only dream of reaching plummers level at this point.

[Spider]

Personally, I think Croyle is a better QB than Kellen Clemmons, John Beck, Alex Smith,

.

Lets not get carried away

[Steve Sewell]

Well, it's true. If Croyle was SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer.

Where were all you haters when he had a GOOD appearance last week? Probably the same place you'll be the next time he plays well.

I wasn't alive then

[DenverBrit]

Well, it's true.
If Croyle aspired to be SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer and would have won a regular season game by now. But he's not that good.


You have a point. :clown:

[broncosteven]

Well, it's true. If Croyle was SO GODDAMN STUPID he'd be playing like Jake Plummer.




Did I get the chance to point out that Jake won an NFL game in his 1st year as a Pro? Unlike the Winless Wonder?

[tsiguy96]

Did I get the chance to point out that Jake won an NFL game in his 1st year as a Pro? Unlike the Winless Wonder?

he also had like a 39-15 record as a bronco. no 0-8 :D

[Moon§hiner]

Brodie can only hope to come close to the career that Jake achieved. I'd bet bob, but everyone knows he is a welcher and his word is about as good as a vote of confidence from George Steinbrenner. Keep that in mind newbs when he wants to do any bets later on this season...you have been warned.