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SoDak Bronco
08-15-2008, 02:30 PM
http://www.gazette.com/sports/nfl_39336___article.html/broncos_sabol.html

By FRANK SCHWAB
THE GAZETTE
ENGLEWOOD • The Denver Broncos and the HBO reality show "Hard Knocks" don't seem like natural partners.

The Dallas Cowboys were a perfect fit for the current season of the show, which presents every part of a team's operation through its training camp. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones enjoys having his team in the spotlight. NFL Films produces the show, and its cameras have been at the joint practices between the Broncos and Dallas Cowboys this week.

The Broncos rarely seek media attention but NFL Films president Steve Sabol wants to feature the Broncos next year. He said Denver was his second choice this season, but Dallas was his first and accepted.

Sabol said the Broncos have everything the show wants: a winning tradition, a successful and well known coach in Mike Shanahan and a training camp that is outdoors, which is important for the aesthetic value of the show.

"The Broncos, we'll be knocking on their door next year," Sabol said.

Shanahan said he was asked about doing "Hard Knocks" years ago, but said, "I didn't feel comfortable with it." Sabol said he doesn't remember asking Shanahan about doing "Hard Knocks." Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said he didn't know if he would want to do the show.

"I'm not averse to it, but I'm not all that into it," Bowlen said.

"Hard Knocks" has cameras in training rooms, meeting rooms and on the practice field and shows some uncomfortable situations, such as players getting cut or dealing with injuries. Most NFL teams are uneasy granting that kind of access.

A couple of years ago Wall Street Journal reporter Stefan Fatsis set out to write a book on being a kicker in a NFL training camp. He said about 20 teams turned him down before Bowlen agreed. Most teams told him they were worried he would be a distraction.

"The NFL controls, regulates and restricts media access with as much precision as the plays on the field," Fatsis said.

Fatsis' book, "A Few Seconds of Panic," has some passages that don't reflect too positively on the NFL or Broncos. In one of the more revealing parts, quarterback Jake Plummer ripped Shanahan after he was benched. However, Fatsis said he didn't hear any negative feedback during a visit this year to Broncos training camp.

Fatsis said he was aware of Shanahan's reputation as a controlling coach, but Shanahan gave him unfettered access. Neither Shanahan nor Bowlen asked for any editorial control of the book. Fatsis said he thought Shanahan viewed the book as a diversion for the players in training camp and figured the marketing opportunity appealed to Bowlen.

"I think Pat recognized that, ‘Why not, if someone's going to document a NFL team in the 21st century, why shouldn't it be my team?'" Fatsis said.

Fatsis added that he thought the Broncos might do "Hard Knocks" if they decided it wouldn't be a distraction.

Sabol said teams have different reasons to host "Hard Knocks," which has featured the Ravens, Chiefs and the Cowboys twice. A main reason is the constant attention from the cameras can add some spice to the grind of camp.

Brian Billick coached the 2001 Baltimore Ravens when they were featured on the show's inaugural season. The Ravens were defending Super Bowl champions, and Billick said he thought having cameras around might help fight complacency. He also wanted to bring attention to the franchise, which isn't in a huge media market, and he thought the exposure would dispel misconceptions about his players such as linebacker Ray Lewis.

Billick said he has had other coaches ask him about "Hard Knocks," and he tells them he enjoyed it. He said the cameras weren't obtrusive and the players handled themselves well.

"It was a very positive experience for us," said Billick, who is in his first season as a game analyst for NFL on Fox.

Although the Broncos don't seem open to the idea of hosting "Hard Knocks," Sabol is undeterred. He said he has a great relationship with Shanahan, and is persuaded he can bring the show to Denver.

"I can only speak for the relationship Mike and I have but I think I'd have a shot at it," Sabol said. "In two Super Bowls, the most pressure-packed situations of his career, he wore a mic for us. I would think he'd let us spend a summer with him."Some former Colorado College football players chuckled when the HBO show "Hard Knocks" premiered.

Colorado College roots

NFL Films president Steve Sabol, who played football at Colorado College, was struggling to come up with a name for a new reality show before its 2001 premiere. He finally stumbled upon his idea, pulled from longtime CC coach Jerry Carle's speeches before practice.

"In summer camp he'd say ‘This afternoon we're going hard knocks, so be sure to pad up,'" Sabol said.

Sabol took the name hard knocks, which meant a full scrimmage in Carle's vernacular, and used it for the show. Sabol said when the show began, he got calls from former teammates.

"The guys said ‘That's coach's expression!'" Sabol said. "It got to be an inside joke among us

Bob's your Information Minister
08-15-2008, 02:32 PM
I approve. I want to know how much of an asshole Mike Shanahan REALLY is.

SoDak Bronco
08-15-2008, 02:32 PM
'Hard Knocks' will come knocking in Denver (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-2-272/-Hard-Knocks--will-come-knocking-in-Denver.html) http://assets.espn.go.com/profile/i/trans/icon_report_hi.gif (http://myespn.go.com/profile/violation?ou=afcwestadmin&at=7&vid=1218821418809)
August 15, 2008 1:30 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson

Here is a fascinating story (http://www.gazette.com/sports/nfl_39336___article.html/broncos_sabol.html) from the Colorado Springs Gazette.
"Hard Knocks" wants the Denver Broncos.
NFL Films president Steve Sabol tabbed the Broncos as his second choice behind Dallas this year and wants Denver next year to partake in the HBO summer look inside an NFL camp. In this story, Denver owner Pat Bowlen suggests the Broncos will take a rain check. But you never know.
The Broncos gave full access to a writer two summers ago and it appears to have been a decent experience for everyone. From all the happenings in Denver in recent years, it would likely be good TV.

SoDak Bronco
08-15-2008, 02:35 PM
I approve. I want to know how much of an a-hole Mike Shanahan REALLY is.

Kinda like it showed how incompetent Herm and Co. were last year?

2KBack
08-15-2008, 02:36 PM
While I would certainly watch the show. I have trouble believing Shanahan would go for this.

BroncoFanatic
08-15-2008, 02:42 PM
I approve. I want to know how much of an a-hole Mike Shanahan REALLY is.

Looking for competition?

GoBroncos84
08-15-2008, 02:55 PM
I'd love it, the chance to have that kind of access into our team. Get to know the guys better as individuals. Can you imagine how entertaining B-Marsh and Nate Webster would be? Denver is a very well run organization, with a very stable coach and owner. Our team would not come off poorly like KC did, no way. I would love to see the guys as they really are, swearing and not holding back like they have to when talking with the media.

rovolution
08-15-2008, 02:57 PM
I'd love it, the chance to have that kind of access into our team. Get to know the guys better as individuals. Can you imagine how entertaining B-Marsh and Nate Webster would be? Denver is a very well run organization, with a very stable coach and owner. Our team would not come off poorly like KC did, no way. I would love to see the guys as they really are, swearing and not holding back like they have to when talking with the media.

If you read Fatsis' book, Shanny comes off as quite the potty mouth, which seems rather strange when you watch his bland press conferences to think of him as someone who swears alot.

Paladin
08-15-2008, 03:01 PM
I did not watch that show but I hear KC all looked like the hicks and mullets they are. They were who we thoiught they were, as it were.....

Man-Goblin
08-15-2008, 03:01 PM
If you read Fatsis' book, Shanny comes off as quite the real potty mouth, which seems quite strange when you watch his bland press conferences to think of him as someone who swears alot.

I'm reading it now. It's pretty damn good.

I would love to see Hard Knocks at Dove Valley.

GoBroncos84
08-15-2008, 03:02 PM
If you read Fatsis' book, Shanny comes off as quite the real potty mouth, which seems quite strange when you watch his bland press conferences to think of him as someone who swears alot.

That doesn't bother me at all. I think it would be very insightful to have an inside look at the organization. I have watched all of the Hard Knocks, and every year I have hoped Denver would be next. I have not yet read that book, but I do plan on reading it.

Gcver2ver3
08-15-2008, 03:06 PM
if the broncos are really going to be on hard knocks...i'll actually have to subscribe to HBO...

El Guapo
08-15-2008, 03:13 PM
if the broncos are really going to be on hard knocks...i'll actually have to subscribe to HBO...

ditto.

Ive always been opposed to the idea, but when it comes down to it I think it would be great to be an "insider." Living in an outside market, and a different NFL market at that, I find it real frustrating trying to find watchable news on the Broncos. Man, I miss it...

watermock
08-15-2008, 03:16 PM
We don't need it...and get Dallas' **** off my yard!

BroncoFanatic
08-15-2008, 03:18 PM
if the broncos are really going to be on hard knocks...i'll actually have to subscribe to HBO...

That's what torrents are for...:ninja:

SonOfLe-loLang
08-15-2008, 03:18 PM
If you read Fatsis' book, Shanny comes off as quite the potty mouth, which seems rather strange when you watch his bland press conferences to think of him as someone who swears alot.

haha not as much as bowlen! "you like these ****in cowboy boots, why dont ya get a ****ing pair, you little ****er" hehe or whatever he said

broncofan2438
08-15-2008, 03:40 PM
Not sure if I like it.....i guess i have to watch the Cowboys one to know

Gcver2ver3
08-15-2008, 03:49 PM
ditto.

Ive always been opposed to the idea, but when it comes down to it I think it would be great to be an "insider." Living in an outside market, and a different NFL market at that, I find it real frustrating trying to find watchable news on the Broncos. Man, I miss it...

ditto...

Gcver2ver3
08-15-2008, 03:50 PM
That's what torrents are for...:ninja:

good point...

PRBronco
08-15-2008, 03:55 PM
Aww, too bad we've lost two of our most candid interviewees in DWill and Lynch, I bet Hard Knocks would have loved to be here when they were around. Who on the team gives good interviews now? Marshall always seems jovial provided they're not asking him about legal crap.

Man I'd kills for a Nails interview.

RaiderH8r
08-15-2008, 03:56 PM
I'd love it, the chance to have that kind of access into our team. Get to know the guys better as individuals. Can you imagine how entertaining B-Marsh and Nate Webster would be? Denver is a very well run organization, with a very stable coach and owner. Our team would not come off poorly like KC did, no way. I would love to see the guys as they really are, swearing and not holding back like they have to when talking with the media.

I want a mic on Nalen 24/7 for this show. I guarantee you Nails is piss yourself laughing kind of funny. He just has to be that old salty bastard.

"Thanks for f_____g us."
-Tom Nalen commenting on Fatsis' missed FG.

telluride
08-15-2008, 04:03 PM
This would be a bad idea and a major distraction for the us. The teams on this series always seem to implode in a mess of outsized expectations and egos.

Just say no.

BroncoMan4ever
08-15-2008, 04:04 PM
I approve. I want to know how much of an a-hole Mike Shanahan REALLY is.

winners can be assholes. so in that case, Herm and the rest of the entire Chiefs franchise must be choir boys.

GoBroncos84
08-15-2008, 04:37 PM
I want a mic on Nalen 24/7 for this show. I guarantee you Nails is piss yourself laughing kind of funny. He just has to be that old salty bastard.

"Thanks for f_____g us."
-Tom Nalen commenting on Fatsis' missed FG.


Agreed. I would like to see the personal dynamic of the entire offensive line, they sure don't give the media much, but they sound like a very intriguing group, with Nalen at the top of the list

BroncoMan4ever
08-15-2008, 10:32 PM
Agreed. I would like to see the personal dynamic of the entire offensive line, they sure don't give the media much, but they sound like a very intriguing group, with Nalen at the top of the list

i don't think they would get anything from the o-line. it isn't exactly the orange hush anymore, but Nails isn't going to do any extra interviews than he has to, and the rest of the line are basically young guys who aren't exactly up to calibur of player(YET) that non-die-hard fans are going to care about or want to hear from.
i don't really want to see the team on that show anytime soon

Beantown Bronco
08-16-2008, 09:18 AM
I seriously doubt Nalen will be around for this if it happens.

fdf
08-16-2008, 11:08 AM
winners can be a-holes.

Well, so can losers.

Hogan11
08-16-2008, 11:15 AM
If Shanahan "didn't feel comfortable with it" and Bowlen's "not all that into it"..then I wouldn't hold my hand over my azz waiting for it to happen.

Los Broncos
08-16-2008, 11:30 AM
I was watching the Cowgirls on ESPN last night, next week they will show them in Denver.

Irish Stout
08-20-2008, 04:12 PM
When exactly is the Cowboys Hard Knocks episodes with the Broncos on? I'm asking a friend with HBO to record it for me.

SoDak Bronco
08-20-2008, 04:17 PM
THe show airs tonight at 10 Eastern...Anyone know if we can watch last weeks episode on NFL.com yet?

montrose
08-20-2008, 04:33 PM
While I'd personally love to see it, I'd prefer to pass for the team's sake. I see no good coming of it.