What do you guys think about the Chiefs stealing your offense?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

If you watched KC at all the other night, you saw it. Bootlegs out the wazoo, the old Terrell Davis downhill toss, stretch plays w/cutback action.

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's. What do you think about it? Does that play in Denver's favor or is Brodie Croyle going to make your defensive ends look like a chump on the bootleg this year?

[Irish Stout]

Seems like if it were really "our" offense, then we should be well prepared for it since thats all our D goes against during the preseason. Not quite as many bootlegs in the past year though since Jay took over.

[Popps]

Join the club. Seems like every team in the league has tried to implement our system. Atlanta, Green Bay, now you clowns.

It's not something that works overnight, unless you have Gibbs and already have the talent in place.

What a boring, ****ty team you guys are.

[Florida_Bronco]

All the better. They'll spend three years discovering that Brodie sucks in that system too, then they'll have to start all over with some other scrub.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

All the better. They'll spend three years discovering that Brodie sucks in that system too, then they'll have to start all over with some other scrub.

What's wrong with Brodie? He has good mobility for the bootleg and of course a very strong arm.

[Florida_Bronco]

Boy, is that a loaded question.

[BroncoMan4ever]

What's wrong with Brodie? He has good mobility for the bootleg and of course a very strong arm.

i will give u the fact that he has good mobility and a strong arm, but physically he is very small and kinda fragile, and with your current o-line i don't see him staying healthy year in and year out. and mentally i am not sure he has it, he just doesn't strike me as that type of QB who can rally the troops.

So i am kinda glad that they are trying to copy our system because it will take 2-3 years before it shows any rewards and by then, LJ will be used up, and Brody will be looking for a job as a backup or injured and out of the NFL and the Chiefs will be bringing in a new QB and probably having to start up using an entirely new system to accomodate that QB which will basically keep the Chiefs from contending for awhile

[Florida_Bronco]

i will give u the fact that he has good mobility and a strong arm, but physically he is very small and kinda fragile, and with your current o-line i don't see him staying healthy year in and year out. and mentally i am not sure he has it, he just doesn't strike me as that type of QB who can rally the troops.

So i am kinda glad that they are trying to copy our system because it will take 2-3 years before it shows any rewards and by then, LJ will be used up, and Brody will be looking for a job as a backup or injured and out of the NFL and the Chiefs will be bringing in a new QB and probably having to start up using an entirely new system to accomodate that QB which will basically keep the Chiefs from contending for awhile

Brodie is a poor man's Jake Plummer. Unfortunately for them, they are even close to as good as the teams Jake had around him.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Brodie is a poor man's Jake Plummer.

This is honestly a horrible comparison.

Plummer had an average arm and wasn't accurate.

Croyle has a cannon and has good accuracy.

Plummer had a poor work ethic and didn't have great character.

Croyle has a great work ethic and is a ****ing saint.

[broncofan2438]

Who gives a crap? You have to have good players to make it work moron. Herm is clearly loosing it and knows he ended up in a crappy situation

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Who gives a crap? You have to have good players to make it work moron. Herm is clearly loosing it and knows he ended up in a crappy situation

Are you under the impression the Chiefs don't have good players?

I'd say the Chiefs and the Broncos have very similar talent on the offensive side of the ball. The Chiefs, of course, have a running back. The Broncos... Hilarious!

[Florida_Bronco]

Plummer's arm was just as strong, if not stronger then Croyles, and NO ONE was more accurate on a rollout than Plummer.

Plummer had good work ethic, and anyone doubting his character is...well...Bobo.

Then again, I gotta remember who I'm talking to here.

[cutthemdown]

If you watched KC at all the other night, you saw it. Bootlegs out the wazoo, the old Terrell Davis downhill toss, stretch plays w/cutback action.

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's. What do you think about it? Does that play in Denver's favor or is Brodie Croyle going to make your defensive ends look like a chump on the bootleg this year?

No one is scared of Croyle.

[Killericon]

Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

[Atwater His Ass]

i know, let's talk chefs football on a bronco board, oh wait...

[Atwater His Ass]

No one is scared of Croyle.

and boy is that an understatement if i ever heard one

[maher_tyler]

Plummer's arm was just as strong, if not stronger then Croyles, and NO ONE was more accurate on a rollout than Plummer.

Plummer had good work ethic, and anyone doubting his character is...well...Bobo.

Then again, I gotta remember who I'm talking to here.

I agree with everything (especially the accuracy on the boot legs) but the arm strength, plummer didn't have that good of arm strength..i always remember WR's having slowing down to catch the ball on a lot of deep throws

[Orange_Beard]

This is honestly a horrible comparison.

Plummer had an average arm and wasn't accurate.

Croyle has a cannon and has good accuracy.

Plummer had a poor work ethic and didn't have great character.

Croyle has a great work ethic and is a ****ing saint.

You forgot....

Both make poor decisions

[Dedhed]

If you watched KC at all the other night, you saw it. Bootlegs out the wazoo, the old Terrell Davis downhill toss, stretch plays w/cutback action.

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's. What do you think about it? Does that play in Denver's favor or is Brodie Croyle going to make your defensive ends look like a chump on the bootleg this year?
If you're following, you're always a step behind.

[DukeWoody]

What's wrong with Brodie?

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:6CGS-WH5gv-Y3M:http://www.geocities.com/tvtrayner/stickman.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/tvtrayner/stickman.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/tvtrayner/SiteIndex.html&h=1124&w=538&sz=43&hl=en&start=132&um=1&tbnid=6CGS-WH5gv-Y3M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=72&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstickman%2Bpics%26start%3D120%26ndsp% 3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4RNWN_enCA228CA2 29%26sa%3DN)

LOL Brodie(FAIL)Frail! Ha!

[Kaylore]

Those dirty, cheating, cut-blocking....Chiefs?

/Chief fans:giggle:

[Northman]

Is Broil going to make our D-ends look like chumps this year? Hmmm, let me think about that. Emm, no. We had one of the worse defenses last year and and yet KC could only manage to score 18 points against us in 2 games. Meanwhile we put up 68 points in those same games. Nope, im not worried. Funny topic though.

[Beantown Bronco]

What's wrong with Brodie?

0-7

[Kaylore]

0-7

Hey now, Croyle won his first victory of his NFL career. Granted it was preseason, but to this point he'd never even won one of those. Give they guy some credit! :~ohyah!:

[sisterhellfyre]

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. What's next, changing the Chef colors to blue & orange?

Regards,
m.

[Taco John]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

[Atlas]

I can see why the Chefs offense switched to it since it works so well on their defense.

[SoDak Bronco]

With Brodie at the helm, I don't care what kind of offense you run..You guys will be looking to draft a new QB in the next few years especially after you guys suck it up again this year...

[Br0nc0Buster]

I guess Chief fans need to get excited about something. They have one of the worst head coaches, and they will probably be one of the worst teams in the league again this year.

[TheChamp24]

Are you under the impression the Chiefs don't have good players?

I'd say the Chiefs and the Broncos have very similar talent on the offensive side of the ball. The Chiefs, of course, have a running back. The Broncos... Hilarious!

Lets take a comparison look, shall we:

QB - Brodie Croyle vs. Jay Cutler
Winner: Jay Cutler, 1-0 Broncos
RB - Larry Johnson vs. Selvin Young
Winner: If healthy, Johnson, 1-1
FB - whoever you guys are trotting out vs. Sapp/Hillis
Winner: Sapp/Hillis, 2-1 Broncos
WR1 - Dwayne Bowe vs. Brandon Marshall
Winner: Wash, 2-1-1
WR2 - Devard Darling vs. Darrell Jackson
Winner: Jackson, 3-1-1
WR3 - Will Franklin vs. Brandon Stokley
Winner: Stokley, 4-1-1
TE: Tony Gonzalez vs. Dan Graham/Scheffler
Winner: Gonzalez, 4-2-1
LT: Brandon Albert vs. Ryan Clady
Winner: Unknown, gotta play regular season games first
LG: Brian Waters vs. Ben Hamilton
Winner: Waters, 4-3-1
C: Rudy Niswanger vs. Tom Nalen
Winner: Nalen, 5-3-1
RG: Adrian Jones vs. Montrae Holland/Chris Kuper
Winner: Holland/Kuper, 6-3-1
RT: Damien McIntosh vs. Kuper/Ryan Harris
Winner: Wash, 6-3-2

[Crushaholic]

Hey now, Croyle won his first victory of his NFL career. Granted it was preseason, but to this point he'd never even won one of those. Give they guy some credit! :~ohyah!:

The sarcasm is duly noted, but I wouldn't even go that far. He wasn't in long enough to "earn" anything. If that was a baseball game, he wouldn't get credit for the win. He had one good drive (the opening drive) and one horrible drive (their second offensive series).

[bombquixote]

Sweep.

[cmhargrove]

OK Bob,
If you really look at a dangerous bootleg attack, it also has to do with the downfield mobility of the QB. Plummer was damn good at picking up 8-10 yards on foot if necessary - and could take a hit.

Brodie may get the roll out, but what he does when the D-end stays home is a whole other deal. I'm not saying he can't do it, but when he has a LB or a DE on the backside of the play, we'll see what he's got.

It will be fun to watch.

[BroncoMan4ever]

This is honestly a horrible comparison.

Plummer had an average arm and wasn't accurate.

Croyle has a cannon and has good accuracy.

Plummer had a poor work ethic and didn't have great character.

Croyle has a great work ethic and is a ****ing saint.

Plummer won games in Denver every season he played

Croyle is winless

[Inkana7]

I had no idea the Chiefs were planning on implementing an offense that can score points.

[broncosteven]

If you watched KC at all the other night, you saw it. Bootlegs out the wazoo, the old Terrell Davis downhill toss, stretch plays w/cutback action.

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's. What do you think about it? Does that play in Denver's favor or is Brodie Croyle going to make your defensive ends look like a chump on the bootleg this year?

So is KFC forced to go away from the LJ Left, LJ right, LJ up middle, Punt O because he can't take another 400+ carry season?

This would be actual news if KFC had more than 3 NFL playmakers on O: LJ, TG, and that young WR who's name I cannot remember.

If KFC had a QB that has won an NFL game it might be more scary...

[Tombstone RJ]

So is KFC forced to go away from the LJ Left, LJ right, LJ up middle, Punt O because he can't take another 400+ carry season?

This would be actual news if KFC had more than 3 NFL playmakers on O: LJ, TG, and that young WR who's name I cannot remember.

If KFC had a QB that has won an NFL game it might be more scary...

That'd be Dee-Wayne Bowe (aka "the rainbow").

[Peoples Champ]

Of coarse they took it, because it works.

People copy stuff that works.

[Kaylore]

The Kc obsession with being the Broncos goes one further.

[sixtimeseight]

WR1 - Dwayne Bowe vs. Brandon Marshall Winner: Wash, 2-1-1 No, Marshall >> Bowe

[ZachKC]

No, Marshall >> Bowe

ROFL!

[sixtimeseight]

102 rec, 1325 yards, 7 TDs <br>70 rec, 995 yards 4 TDs. <br> <br> Yep, we can close the book on that one. <br> <br>Next.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Plummer's arm was just as strong, if not stronger then Croyles

Wow. You're completely clueless. It's amazing.

[Breaker]

Well if it hasn't worked for us without Elway and Davis I am pretty damn sure it won't work for you with Croyle and Johnson.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Comparing Brodie Croyle to Jake Plummer is an insult to Plummer. Plummer was not great, but he had a ton of 4th quarter comebacks and was very durible.

Brodie has the build of a kicker. Last year he had to be carted off the field for a wrist injury......:spit:

[Bronx33]

Comparing Brodie Croyle to Jake Plummer is an insult to Plummer. Plummer was not great, but he had a ton of 4th quarter comebacks and was very durible.

Brodie has the build of a kicker. Last year he had to be carted off the field for a wrist injury......:spit:


Him and bob have something in common. :~ohyah!:

[Greybeard]

If you watched KC at all the other night, you saw it. Bootlegs out the wazoo, the old Terrell Davis downhill toss, stretch plays w/cutback action.

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's. What do you think about it? Does that play in Denver's favor or is Brodie Croyle going to make your defensive ends look like a chump on the bootleg this year?

Hmmm . . . well, I guess the squaws figured nothing else has worked . . .

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[broncosteven]

You play to win the game.

Too bad Broody has yet to win a game...

[Atwater His Ass]

Arm strength means nothing when you're a crappy QB (hi2u jeff george). If Croyle can ever lead his team to the AFC Championship, you can compare him to Plummer. Until then, he's not even in the same league.

As far as Bowe vs. Marshall...Marshall is the better WR, but let's not downplay Bowe. The guy played very well on perhaps the worst offensive team in the league. It's more a testament to how good Marshall really is to say he's better than Bowe. That's not to say Bowe isn't a good player and could perhaps be special.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bowe had a much better rookie season than Marshall, I know that much.

[Inkana7]

Put Javon Walker and Rod Smith on the Chiefs last year and lets see Bowe put up the same numbers.

[azbroncfan]

Bowe had a much better rookie season than Marshall, I know that much.

M. Clayton of the bucs had a better rookie season than Bowe so what you getting at? To run the Broncos O you a quality QB is a must need along with a good OL. The queefs have neither.

[BMarsh615]

Brodie Croyle is a joke. I cant see how any chief fans can actually think he is a longterm answer at QB. Honestly I am not worried about the Chiefs stealing our offense as much as I am the Raiders.

[Atwater His Ass]

Brodie Croyle is a joke. I cant see how any chief fans can actually think he is a longterm answer at QB. Honestly I am not worried about the Chiefs stealing our offense as much as I am the Raiders.

Because it's too hard to admit you have absolutely nothing at the most critical position in the game and no legitimate answer in the near future.

So they make stuff up and point to things like he has a strong arm to help them sleep at night but start deflecting the moment you point out his many many flaws.

KC is a trash team with a trash QB with a trash front office. As football fans, I actually feel pity for them. Their only light at the end of the tunnel is King Carl will probably be done in a season or two. Then they can spend the next 10 years rebuilding again. God it must suck to be a queef fan.

[BMarsh615]

agreed ^

[broncosteven]

This Offensive philosphy (s/p?) change should ensure Broodie his 1st NFL win by week 15 for sure!

[BlaK-Argentina]

Bowe had a much better rookie season than Marshall, I know that much.

Too bad he has **** at QB. I feel sorry for the guy, he seems like a class act and a really good player who will be stuck on that sorry ass team for a while.

Still, I wouldn't take him over Marshall ON the field.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Brodie may get the roll out, but what he does when the D-end stays home is a whole other deal. I'm not saying he can't do it, but when he has a LB or a DE on the backside of the play, we'll see what he's got.


Like this?

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4163/coxsa5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Florida_Bronco]

Great pass! Just 3 yards past the LOS!!!!

BRODIE CROYLE IS T3H L33T WIN!11!!!!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Great pass! Just 3 yards past the LOS!!!!

BRODIE CROYLE IS T3H L33T WIN!11!!!!!

Yes, he should have thrown a touchdown pass off his back foot.

By the way, it was a 12-yard gain and on the next snap we scored a touchdown. Brodie Croyle SUCKS.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Brodie Croyle SUCKS.

.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Like this?

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4163/coxsa5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I've always wondered, what software do you use to make those gifs? They are great. (no, not the content of the gifs, just the quality of them)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I've always wondered, what software do you use to make those gifs? They are great. (no, not the content of the gifs, just the quality of them)

Jasc Animation shop.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Jasc Animation shop.


Thanks.

Back to the Croyle bashing now. :twokisses

[broncosteven]

Maybe all they are trying to do is teach the KFC _efence how to recognize the bootleg.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm tired of you guys ripping on our defense. Yours is far worse. Go piss up a rope.

[azbroncfan]

Like this?

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4163/coxsa5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

That is a classic Herm play PA pass to the flat to a RB. Real aggressive play call.

[BlaK-Argentina]

I'm tired of you guys ripping on our defense. Yours is far worse. Go piss up a rope.

Maybe I'm missing something but if you're "tired" of us ripping on your defense maybe you should stop coming here?

[Miss I.]

My first posting so please bear with me, but I don't think you missed anything on that one.

If he was looking for support for KC, it isn't something one is likely to find in a Broncos posting area.
Besides, he started the post so if he can't take it don't dish it.
The other thing is here are the stats for Defense from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2008&seasonType=PRE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

In 2007, KC was 13th, Denver was 19th. I would hardly call that staggeringly worse then KC. And in the end 4-12 KC vs 7-9 for Denver, says something too. And in Preseason 2008, so far Denver is ranked 18th and KC 25th (though preseason is pretty meaningless really for stats). And without Jared Allen, the Chiefs may struggle, no matter who they picked up in the draft.
And really, gonna put Croyle in the same arena as Plummer? Not a great QB by any means, but for three years he had winning stats in CO and heck even gave the Cards a playoff win when he was there. And attacking his character, really? Though as an AZ alumnus, not a fan of any Sun Devil, I have heard Jake talk about Pat Tillman and he was pretty eloquent and sounded pretty human. While, flipping off fans and road rage incidents aren't exactly great PR, in general the guy didn't really have a character issue in the way I see players having issues (drugs, guns, murdering exwives, impregnating exgirlfriends and being an absentee daddy, killing dogs). He just seemed human, fallible. And as a Bronco, he just tried to do some stuff he shouldn't have (more then he was capable of perhaps, an oversimplification I know, but still). I believe Favre, Romo and I would imagine a few others have tried pushing plays they should not have.

[JCMElway]

Wish I could have gotten into this on page one instead of page 3, but:

I think I'm going to go have some Frosted Flakes before I crash. Yummy!

[BlaK-Argentina]

My first posting so please bear with me, but I don't think you missed anything on that one.

If he was looking for support for KC, it isn't something one is likely to find in a Broncos posting area.
Besides, he started the post so if he can't take it don't dish it.
The other thing is here are the stats for Defense from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2008&seasonType=PRE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

In 2007, KC was 13th, Denver was 19th. I would hardly call that staggeringly worse then KC. And in the end 4-12 KC vs 7-9 for Denver, says something too. And in Preseason 2008, so far Denver is ranked 18th and KC 25th (though preseason is pretty meaningless really for stats). And without Jared Allen, the Chiefs may struggle, no matter who they picked up in the draft.
And really, gonna put Croyle in the same arena as Plummer? Not a great QB by any means, but for three years he had winning stats in CO and heck even gave the Cards a playoff win when he was there. And attacking his character, really? Though as an AZ alumnus, not a fan of any Sun Devil, I have heard Jake talk about Pat Tillman and he was pretty eloquent and sounded pretty human. While, flipping off fans and road rage incidents aren't exactly great PR, in general the guy didn't really have a character issue in the way I see players having issues (drugs, guns, murdering exwives, impregnating exgirlfriends and being an absentee daddy, killing dogs). He just seemed human, fallible. And as a Bronco, he just tried to do some stuff he shouldn't have (more then he was capable of perhaps, an oversimplification I know, but still). I believe Favre, Romo and I would imagine a few others have tried pushing plays they should not have.


Great first post! Welcome!
I totally agree on Jake. I'll always have fond memories of the guy. I think Croyle will be lucky to reach his level one day. At least in the W department.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

In 2007, KC was 13th, Denver was 19th

Please. You had the NFL's 28th ranked scoring defense. The Chiefs were 14th.

HUGE GAP. HUGE.

[Orange_Beard]

I'm tired of you guys ripping on our defense. Yours is far worse. Go piss up a rope.

Your D is pretty good compared to your O.

[Greybeard]

My first posting so please bear with me, but I don't think you missed anything on that one.

If he was looking for support for KC, it isn't something one is likely to find in a Broncos posting area.
Besides, he started the post so if he can't take it don't dish it.
The other thing is here are the stats for Defense from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2008&seasonType=PRE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

In 2007, KC was 13th, Denver was 19th. I would hardly call that staggeringly worse then KC. And in the end 4-12 KC vs 7-9 for Denver, says something too. And in Preseason 2008, so far Denver is ranked 18th and KC 25th (though preseason is pretty meaningless really for stats). And without Jared Allen, the Chiefs may struggle, no matter who they picked up in the draft.
And really, gonna put Croyle in the same arena as Plummer? Not a great QB by any means, but for three years he had winning stats in CO and heck even gave the Cards a playoff win when he was there. And attacking his character, really? Though as an AZ alumnus, not a fan of any Sun Devil, I have heard Jake talk about Pat Tillman and he was pretty eloquent and sounded pretty human. While, flipping off fans and road rage incidents aren't exactly great PR, in general the guy didn't really have a character issue in the way I see players having issues (drugs, guns, murdering exwives, impregnating exgirlfriends and being an absentee daddy, killing dogs). He just seemed human, fallible. And as a Bronco, he just tried to do some stuff he shouldn't have (more then he was capable of perhaps, an oversimplification I know, but still). I believe Favre, Romo and I would imagine a few others have tried pushing plays they should not have.


Good first post. Just wanted to point out one item: Jake flipped off one fan,
a non-stop heckler right behind him.

I am a UA fan, too, and I hated Jake (as a football player, not a person) when
he was in college because he was so good, especially against UA. And, far as
I'm concerned, when he retired as a pro, Jake had to have cast iron cajones
to walk out still a man, after all he had been through.

Croyle as a long, long way to go before he could fill Jake's shoes, IMO.

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[Bob's your Information Minister]

Croyle as a long, long way to go before he could fill Jake's shoes, IMO.

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You're correct. I don't see Croyle ever approaching 20 interceptions in a single season.

[socalorado]

I'm tired of you guys ripping on our defense. Yours is far worse. Go piss up a rope.

Theres no need for this emotional attack on us, bobo.
Cmon,:sunshine:

[Mediator12]

If you watched KC at all the other night, you saw it. Bootlegs out the wazoo, the old Terrell Davis downhill toss, stretch plays w/cutback action.

The Chiefs are running an offense that looks a hell of a lot like Denver's. What do you think about it? Does that play in Denver's favor or is Brodie Croyle going to make your defensive ends look like a chump on the bootleg this year?

There is this old saying that rings true here:

"If you can not beat them, join them" ROFL!

[bowtown]

Yes, he should have thrown a touchdown pass off his back foot.


Oh, you mean like this?

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I guess a dump off is almost as good.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You know very well those two plays represent completely different situations.

[Greybeard]

You're correct. I don't see Croyle ever approaching 20 interceptions in a single season.

Much less 4,000 yards.

Now, when Croyle has directed the squaws to three playoff years in a row,
then you'll have something to talk about. But that will be tough, in that Croyle
is the fourth best QB in the Division.

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[DHallblows]

You're correct. I don't see Croyle ever approaching 20 interceptions in a single season.

Or 28 td in the same season...
Or a 90.2 qb rating

[gyldenlove]

You're correct. I don't see Croyle ever approaching 20 interceptions in a single season.

Jake took the Cards to the playoffs, lets see Croyle take the Chiefs there, the team Jake took the postseason had comparable talent to this years Chiefs.

[JJJ]

Arm strength means nothing when you're a crappy QB (hi2u jeff george). If Croyle can ever lead his team to the AFC Championship, you can compare him to Plummer. Until then, he's not even in the same league.



Remember you said this the next time you bash my boy Rivers.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Thing is, anyone with half a brain knows Plummer didn't lead the Broncos anywhere. He rode the coattails of a running game and a defense, that's all. Good for him.

[sixtimeseight]

Much less 4,000 yards.

Now, when Croyle has directed the squaws to three playoff years in a row,
then you'll have something to talk about. But that will be tough, in that Croyle
is the fourth best QB in the Division.

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Fourth best? I'd say about seventh best, I'd rather have Cutler, Rivers, Volek, Russell, Ramsey, Huard and maybe even Hackney than Croyle.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Man, you guys are going to eat some huge plates of crow over Brodie Croyle.

Not saying he's going to the Pro Bowl. But he's going to be a solid player. You all have him cast as Ryan Leaf pt2.

[scorpio]

Man, you guys are going to eat some huge plates of crow over Brodie Croyle.

Not saying he's going to the Pro Bowl. But he's going to be a solid player. You all have him cast as Ryan Leaf pt2.

I agree, it's a ridiculous comparison. People actually thought Ryan Leaf would be good.

[KCStud]

Brodie did remind me of Plummer last week, but there are some differences.

Plummer makes better throws on the run.

Croyle DOES have the stronger arm. Brodie can zip the ball to his receivers while Plummer could not.

Croyle makes better decisions that Plummer. Don't even argue this. So many times Plummer would make a stupid play to cost you (see left handed pass by Plummer).

Looks to me like Croyle is comfortable in KC's new offense. I could see KC's offense being legit with this system.

Oh and Bowe is just as good as Marshall. Marshall had 32 more catches
than Bowe did.
Marshall is slightly better at YAC and Bowe is slightly better at catching the ball, especially the jump balls

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

You're correct. I don't see Croyle ever approaching 20 interceptions in a single season.

you're right.












































i see him eclipsing it.

[ZONA]

* Plummer was accurate when rolling out and bootlegging
* Plummer was NOT accurate standing in the pocket or throwing left handed
* Plummer has good character, just marches to a different tune then most
* Plummer was a good QB, not a franchise QB, not a Superbowl QB
* Croyle does NOT have a cannon for an arm. A broken cannon maybe.................a big maybe


* Bowe is a good young WR. Bowe is NO Brandon Marshall. Teams don't game plan around Bowe. Marshall scares DB's. Big differece. Which player would you rather have on your team? Only 32 more catches. That's like saying one QB only had 10 more TD passes. Like saying that RB only had 350 more yards. 32 catches is is a BIG difference. What planet are you on?

ONLY 32 more catches - ONLY 400 more yards - that right there is good commedy my friend. WTF ??????????

[2KBack]

Brodie did remind me of Plummer last week, but there are some differences.

Plummer makes better throws on the run.

Croyle DOES have the stronger arm. Brodie can zip the ball to his receivers while Plummer could not.

Croyle makes better decisions that Plummer. Don't even argue this. So many times Plummer would make a stupid play to cost you (see left handed pass by Plummer).

Looks to me like Croyle is comfortable in KC's new offense. I could see KC's offense being legit with this system.

Oh and Bowe is just as good as Marshall. Marshall had 32 more catches
than Bowe did.
Marshall is slightly better at YAC and Bowe is slightly better at catching the ball, especially the jump balls

uh...32 more catches and 400 more yards= better, not the same. Or is Bowe the same as a WR that only caught 38 passes for 600 yards, because that's the same ratio of difference between Marshall and Bowe?

[Kaylore]

Dwayne Bowe played on a garbage team with crap throwing him the ball and almost put up 1,000 yards while missing the first week or so of training camp - all in his rookie year. Marshall wasn't close. Now Bowe was a first round pick out of the SEC and Marshall was a more raw fourth rounder out of Conference USA, so Bowe had some advantages in terms of learning game speed, but I don't think anyone can say Marshall is that much better than Bowe, especially when you consider the off field issues and how crappy Croyle was last season.

[2KBack]

keep in mind Kaylore, Marshall was injured his rookie season and was playing behind Rod Smith and a healthy Javon Walker, there's no telling what he would have done if he was actually a starter.

[Sodak]

Who?

[ZONA]

Dwayne Bowe played on a garbage team with crap throwing him the ball and almost put up 1,000 yards while missing the first week or so of training camp - all in his rookie year. Marshall wasn't close. Now Bowe was a first round pick out of the SEC and Marshall was a more raw fourth rounder out of Conference USA, so Bowe had some advantages in terms of learning game speed, but I don't think anyone can say Marshall is that much better than Bowe, especially when you consider the off field issues and how crappy Croyle was last season.

Yes we can. 32 more catches and 400 more yards is a huge difference. That was basically Marshall's rookie season. If you think Bowe is the same WR that Marshall is then you can see it that way but your're dead wrong, as of right now. Bowe might get better but there are a ton of great NFL minds who have said Marshall has the likes of something very special at WR. TO type of special.

[broncosteven]

Man, you guys are going to eat some huge plates of crow over Brodie Croyle.

Not saying he's going to the Pro Bowl. But he's going to be a solid player. You all have him cast as Ryan Leaf pt2.

The difference between Broodie and Leaf is the fact that Leaf actually won an NFL game.

[Kaylore]

keep in mind Kaylore, Marshall was injured his rookie season and was playing behind Rod Smith and a healthy Javon Walker, there's no telling what he would have done if he was actually a starter.
Maybe, but we can't start arguing what-if scenarios.

If you think Bowe is the same WR that Marshall is
Yeah, that's what I said. That Marshall is the same player as Dwayne Bowe. :oyvey:

[broncosteven]

Maybe, but we can't start arguing what-if scenarios.




What would the world be like if Broodie had won an NFL Game?

I think the earth would have spun off it's axis and hurdle itself into the sun.

[Greybeard]

Man, you guys are going to eat some huge plates of crow over Brodie Croyle.

Not saying he's going to the Pro Bowl. But he's going to be a solid player. You all have him cast as Ryan Leaf pt2.

No, no . . . now, that's not true. If Ryan Leaf were still in the league, I would have Croyle rated above Leaf . . .



. . . I think . . .



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[broncosteven]

Man, you guys are going to eat some huge plates of crow over Brodie Croyle.

Not saying he's going to the Pro Bowl because you have to win more than Zero games to go to the Pro Bowl But he's going to be a solid player. You all have him cast as Ryan Leaf pt2.

Wheres my plate of Brodiey CROWle?

[Greybeard]

Brodie did remind me of Plummer last week, but there are some differences.

Plummer makes better throws on the run.

Croyle DOES have the stronger arm. Brodie can zip the ball to his receivers while Plummer could not.

Croyle makes better decisions that Plummer. Don't even argue this. So many times Plummer would make a stupid play to cost you (see left handed pass by Plummer).

Looks to me like Croyle is comfortable in KC's new offense. I could see KC's offense being legit with this system.

Oh and Bowe is just as good as Marshall. Marshall had 32 more catches
than Bowe did.
Marshall is slightly better at YAC and Bowe is slightly better at catching the ball, especially the jump balls

Wow. All I can say is you're giving Fantasy Football a new meaning . . .

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[broncosteven]

Wow. All I can say is you're giving Fantasy Football a new meaning . . .

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That's ok, The Cheef fans Fantasize about Brodiey Crowle's 1st win.

[KCStud]

The reason why teams didn't plan to stop Bowe was because we had DamINT throwing the ball (or standing in the pocket like a statue ready to get sacked) and teams didn't think KC could throw the ball. They all stacked the box to stop the run.

The Broncos had a good passing game last year and Marshall was their best receiver. Bowe was not the best receiver on his team last year. Our HOF TE was ...

This year teams will most definitely be planning to stop Bowe...he is the most most lethal weapon we have now IMO

[Eldorado]

Remember you said this the next time you bash my boy Rivers.

**** rivers

[Eldorado]

Thing is, anyone with half a brain knows Plummer didn't lead the Broncos anywhere. He rode the coattails of a running game and a defense, that's all. Good for him.

bs. his streak for most completions w/out a pick that year, made his season.

[Greybeard]

Remember you said this the next time you bash my boy Rivers.

Who? Phyllis?? Phyllis didn't lead anywhere. Phyllis followed.

Had Brees stayed with the dolts, the dolts would have won the Super Bowl, let alone go to it.

And LT wouldn't have had to blubber about losing to the Patriots. Twice.



. . . And to think Croyle isn't even as good as Phyllis.



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[Kaylore]

Did anyone watch NFL network? They did a special on the Chiefs offense and interviewed Mr. Croyle. Apparently Croyle, by his own words, was too stupid to run the offense. He said it was too complicated and "had too many things to say in the huddle" and that this new offense "is much simpler" for them. I'm not exaggerating. Not it all makes sense: his slow development, why he couldn't beat out a back up, why other QB's looked better sooner than him.

Croyle isn't smart. So that alone will prevent him from being even a pretty good QB. He'll only succeed in simplified offenses that keep his reads basic.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Croyle is plenty smart.

And you're going to eat a mountain of ****ing crow.

By the way, John Beck is dumb as a box of rocks.

[DHallblows]

By the way, John Beck is dumb as a box of rocks.

I don't know why I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here...

That was sarcasm, right?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, it must be true, because John Beck sucks far, far worse than Brodie Croyle.

[Kaylore]

I don't know why I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here...

That was sarcasm, right?

:rofl: Poor Bob. He's reduced to ripping on QB's on other teams to defend Brody.:giggle:


Oh, and Beck got a 34 on the Wonderlic and played for a school with actual academic standards. He can also articulate a sentence without sounding like white trash from 'bama.:~ohyah!:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

:rofl: Poor Bob. He's reduced to ripping on QB's on other teams to defend Brody.:giggle:


Oh, and Beck got a 34 on the Wonderlic and played for a school with actual academic standards. He can also articulate a sentence without sounding like white trash from 'bama.:~ohyah!:

Too bad his football smarts are in the trash.

JOHN BECK WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS BRODIE CROYLE. EVER.

[Greybeard]

Too bad his football smarts are in the trash.

JOHN BECK WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS BRODIE CROYLE. EVER.

Wow. Beck is that bad, huh? ???

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[Los Broncos]

CROYLE is better than Beck? who knew.....

[Bob's your Information Minister]

CROYLE is better than Beck? who knew.....

NOT KAYLORE!

[Los Broncos]

Anubis is better than CROYLE.

[Atwater His Ass]

CROYLE is better than Beck? who knew.....

the better question is who gives a ****

[Los Broncos]

the better question is who gives a ****

Yeah, who cares...:strong:

[Gort]

What do you guys think about the Chiefs stealing your offense?

i'm more worried about Larry Johnson breaking in and stealing my TV set.

not because he's black. because he went to Penn State. :D

[Kaylore]

the better question is who gives a ****

ROFL!

[Miss I.]

Did anyone watch NFL network? They did a special on the Chiefs offense and interviewed Mr. Croyle. Apparently Croyle, by his own words, was too stupid to run the offense. He said it was too complicated and "had too many things to say in the huddle" and that this new offense "is much simpler" for them. I'm not exaggerating. Not it all makes sense: his slow development, why he couldn't beat out a back up, why other QB's looked better sooner than him.

Croyle isn't smart. So that alone will prevent him from being even a pretty good QB. He'll only succeed in simplified offenses that keep his reads basic.

Is this the interview you are referring to?
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80a07e59

I don't think there's really a definitive answer on Croyle at this point since he hasn't been under center long enough and had a weak offensive line blocking for him. Now that he's officially the starter there will be more preasure on him to actually step up. I understand why KC picked him, at least in theory, he had a decent record in college, he was one of the Golden Arm Award nominees or whatever that is (I believe it went to USC's Leinhert that year) and KC hasn't really ever had a franchise QB and that's what they want. (Even Len Dawson started out somewhere else). And as for evaluating a football player's intellect based on his school, well, while I suspect you will get a higher quality intellect out of a Vanderbilt or Stanford QB, most football players spend very little time in classes anyway. I mean, Matt Leinhert went to USC and while it is a sports happy school, it actually has some decent educational programs, none of which seem to have helped him that much.

And did I get this correctly, a Chief fan slamming Huard? IF I am not mistaken, isn't this the guy a couple seasons back, helped save it when Green went down? He does get sacked too much, he isn't that mobile, but he's been a good back up QB.

And one other thing about your great defense. I will openly say that your defense was a lot better then it was in 2005 when I lived in KC. What is interesting, when I was there the Chiefs fans hated their defense and were calling for the defensive coordinator to quit. Their offense was getting it done even with a weaker defense. Of course they had Willie Roaf and Trent Green was a better QB in terms of passing yards. Now you have a defensive coach who helped improve the defense (though losing Jared Allen may come back to haunt, no matter how many draft picks you got) and the offensive line is weak. The win record got worse. A great defense is important, but it is fundamentally useless if you don't have a semi-decent offense. Using the NYG as an example, yes their defense was primarily what won the Superbowl (I don't know I have ever seen Tom Brady sacked that much, have to say I enjoyed it). But if Manning hadn't made plays on offense and got his team down field to score points, they would've lost.

Until Croyle gains confidence as a QB and unless the pass protection improves, KC is going to continue to struggle. Even with LJ, Bowe and TonyG, without a decent passing game, it will be a struggle. And frankly, Cutler has more on his side, a offensive minded coach, Marshall, Scheffler, etc and also he seems to really be taking to the leadership role.

I kind of hope the Chiefs get better, not better then the Broncos of course, but it would be nice to see the AFC west become a tough division to play in and against again. Really competition should improve everyone.

[Bronx33]

Ok bob what's the next line of defense on this touchy subject put you fingers in your ears and yell nanananananananananana (i can't hear you)?

[broncosteven]

Too bad his football smarts are in the trash.

JOHN BECK WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS BRODIE CROYLE. EVER.

Funny but neither John Beck or Broodiey Crowle has ever won an NFL Game.

Who will get their 1st win? I am thinking Beck.

I need to get an account on CP to point this out the the Mullet heads.

[DenverBrit]

Croyle be plenty smart, he bin edumacated......nearly made it to high school too.

And I'm going to eat a mountain of ****ing crow pie with pizza slices and meatloaf......al a mode.

By the way, Clayton Wendler is as dumb as a box of rocks.....well, the ones he didn't eat.

How's that South Beach diet going?? Getting used to the sand yet?

[cutthemdown]

As long as they steal last yrs offense and not the 97-98 offenses I will be ok with it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Brodie 2 for 2 tonight so far. LET'S ROLL!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

3 for 4

[Bob's your Information Minister]

4 for 5

MOVING THE BALL

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Brodie throws it away. Smart.

[rovolution]

played against the chorfs in madden 09 today and Brodie had 6 INTs, 4 by Champ alone.

It was a great game. 41-14 Broncos win at arrowhead. Cutler 5 TDs before halftime.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Brodie 5 for 7 on the drive, Chiefs take 3-0 lead.

[ludo21]

Kc Winning!!! Woah

[Inkana7]

Anybody ever have Pizza Hut's Supremo Sandwich? Oh my Jehova is it good!

[ludo21]

Warner's turn, lets go AZ!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Arizona 3 and out.

Pay attention, Donk fans. That's what a defense looks like.

[KCStud]

Croyle looks so much more comfortable in this offense. He is really stepping up by making better decisions.

Oh and Brandon Flowers looks for real. He went stride for stride with Boldin and knocked the ball away

[Inkana7]

Average?

[Los Broncos]

KC is winning a pre seasoner, wow!

[SportinOne]

Join the club. Seems like every team in the league has tried to implement our system. Atlanta, Green Bay, now you clowns.

It's not something that works overnight, unless you have Gibbs and already have the talent in place.

What a boring, ****ty team you guys are.

Excellent use of the word "clowns".

[bronco610]

kansas City on a Denver board? Who cares???

[KCStud]

Arizona 3 and out.

Pay attention, Donk fans. That's what a defense looks like.

Calm down Bob. This is the Leinart-less Cardinals with a vanilla offense...

[Atwater His Ass]

Wow, talking smack over a pre-season game, lmfao. chefs fans have a hit a new low.

[Bronx33]

bob always blows his wad early.

[Inkana7]

Wow, talking smack over a pre-season game, lmfao. chefs fans have a hit a new low.

At least it's a step up from http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=69865

That.

[cutthemdown]

Croyle biggest problem is 8 attempts only 32 yrds so far. At some point his YPA has to go up. YPA and Yards per play are very under-valued stats most fans overlook.

[KCStud]

Wow, talking smack over a pre-season game, lmfao. BOB has a hit a new low.

Fixed it for you...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Croyle biggest problem is 8 attempts only 32 yrds so far. At some point his YPA has to go up. YPA and Yards per play are very under-valued stats most fans overlook.

LOL...preseason.

Last week Croyle's YPA was higher than Cutler's.

[cutthemdown]

see how warner has over 40 yrds on 6 attempts at this point. The vet gets a higher YPA because he makes more difficult throws on his reads.

Cryole has a long ways to go.

[Bronx33]

If it only mattered in some small way........................if only.

[cutthemdown]

Cutler has a lot to learn also BOB but he has shown me a lot more to this point.

[cutthemdown]

LOL...preseason.

Last week Croyle's YPA was higher than Cutler's.

first you want to say look at a real defense Broncos fans, but now it's only preseason and doesn't matter. Which is it?

[Steve Sewell]

What's wrong with Brodie? He has good mobility for the bootleg and of course a very strong arm.

"reality" is not in your deck of cards bobby.

[Bronx33]

CUTLER 16/20 178 1

FLOATIE 7/13 38



teeeee heeee

[Inkana7]

Hey, 53% is still over half!

[broncosteven]

CUTLER 16/20 178 1

FLOATIE 7/13 38



teeeee heeee

So Broodie throws 7 times for 38 yards and that is considered a good performance? Too bad most drives are 80-60 yards.

BTW KFCDud, Was Broodie comfortable in the pocket when he had to "throw it away"?

[Bronx33]

Hey, 53% is still over half!


Thats bob good.

[skpac1001]

CUTLER 16/20 178 1

FLOATIE 7/13 38



teeeee heeee

Ramsey 8/13 67

Discuss....

[BlaK-Argentina]

Ramsey 8/13 67

Discuss....

Oh no, you didn't... :rofl:

[azbroncfan]

Brodie real impressive averaging 5 yards a completion.

[DHallblows]

Ramsey 8/13 67

Discuss....

:rofl: ooooh man. Gotta love being out performed by your rival teams backup...

[KCStud]

So Broodie throws 7 times for 38 yards and that is considered a good performance? Too bad most drives are 80-60 yards.

BTW KFCDud, Was Broodie comfortable in the pocket when he had to "throw it away"?

Brodie has looked much more comfortable in this new sytem. The offense is putting points on the board and Brodie isn't locking on Bowe like I thought he would be. He has been spreading the ball around to different receivers.

Last year Brodie would make the mistake of throwing the ball away and it being intercepted. So far Brodie has been making the easy throws and it has helped him. He's not forcing passes anywhere near as much as he has.


Oh and I see Bronco fans fail to mention that LJ had 61 yards on 14 carries with a 4.3 average.
From the talk on this board, LJ was finished...

[Atwater His Ass]

LJ is finished. We've already had this discussion.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LJ is finished. We've already had this discussion.

Larry looked like a beast tonight.

[Greybeard]

Ramsey 8/13 67

Discuss....

Ramsey (Denver backup) gets better completion percentage and nearly twice as many yards as Croyle (squaws starter).

Discussion over . . .

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[Atlas]

I'm happy with KC using Denver's offense as long as they execute it like Kansas City and not like Denver.

[KCStud]

I'm happy with KC using Denver's offense as long as they execute it like Kansas City and not like Denver.

we shall see...

[Spider]

Stole our 0ffense ? the exact same offense we stole from Walsh ? that offense ?

[Inkana7]

Last I checked Denver didn't run a Rob Johnson check down and throw to the flat offense.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Brodie's longest pass was 7 yards......

It is going to take the Chiefs 11 + plays each drive to score a TD with Brodie at the helm

[Bronx33]

They stole it and have no idea how to plug it in or turn it on herm has resorted to shaking it real hard and throwing it across the the room, word is brody resembles a spider monkey trying to open a jar of peanutbutter only to throw it down in frustration.

[Spider]

They stole it and have no idea how to plug it in or turn it on herm has resorted to shaking it real hard and throwing it across the the room, word is brody resembles a spider monkey trying to open a jar of peanutbutter only to throw it down in frustration.
well they really cant steal it , not with the coaching staff they have , they can try and duplicated it , bu never run our system of zone blocking ....... this thread is nothing but a joke

[Bronx33]

well they really cant steal it , not with the coaching staff they have , they can try and duplicated it , bu never run our system of zone blocking ....... this thread is nothing but a joke


Question is how dumbed down can they dumb it down for brodie ROFL!

[Spider]

Question is how dumbed down can they dumb it down for brodie ROFL!

LOL , I havent seen Brodie play yet , but he doesnt strike me as a deep ball threat , he could move the chain's at 5 yards per crack , But he has to be able to manage a game , I don think Croyle is there yet , but what else are you going to do with a QB like Croyle ?

[Bronx33]

LOL , I havent seen Brodie play yet , but he doesnt strike me as a deep ball threat , he could move the chain's at 5 yards per crack , But he has to be able to manage a game , I don think Croyle is there yet , but what else are you going to do with a QB like Croyle ?


Baby steps ;D

[broncosteven]

Brodie has looked much more comfortable in this new sytem. The offense is putting points on the board and Brodie isn't locking on Bowe like I thought he would be. He has been spreading the ball around to different receivers.

Last year Brodie would make the mistake of throwing the ball away and it being intercepted. So far Brodie has been making the easy throws and it has helped him. He's not forcing passes anywhere near as much as he has.


Oh and I see Bronco fans fail to mention that LJ had 61 yards on 14 carries with a 4.3 average.
From the talk on this board, LJ was finished...

OMG Talk about spinning!

How is putting up 9 points all on FG's putting points on the board? They get their only TD in the 4th Q.

You guys might be protecting Floatie now but when you are losing games 17-27 in regular season your going to start getting pissed.

BTW your right about LJ's 4.3 ypc being avg. At that rate it would take him 23 carries to break 100 yards. That is league avg production, not elite production.

Couple LJ's 4.3 ypc with Floatie having to throw the ball away on 3rd down to end drives and LJ will be lucky to handle the ball 20 times a game.

[Paladin]

I think the mullets lost to Arizona. Badly? I only saw a passing reference to it.

That is a pun.

For mullet fans, you see.

[broncofan2438]

Now what do you think of the mullets offense bob?