Wesley Woodyard

[cmhargrove]

I haven't watched the whole game yet, just got to see some of the 4th quarter on the Justin.tv link.

What the hell happens with Woodyard?
That kid was everywhere.
If he is "small" I just didn't see it. When he hit his man, his man went down.

I know, I know - he was competing against third string scrubs, but the talent is definitely there. Great motor, great instincts. Where does he fit on this team?

[Garcia Bronco]

I had wood for Woodyard. If he plays with that kind of intensity we should be good on Special Teams.

[Kaylore]

I wish they would give him more playing time. I hope they let the guys that can play get more reps this time around.

[Tombstone RJ]

STs is gonna be his spot. If he continues to make plays without freelancing too much, then he'll make the 53 for STs and LB depth.

[cutlerfan]

He is a bad boy! Another SEC guy! I would like to see him get more time. He is from Kentucky. As you probably know he lead our team with eight Tackles Satuturday!

[Willynowei]

I wish they would give him more playing time. I hope they let the guys that can play get more reps this time around.

I agree Woodyard needs more snaps. I want to see him get a stint at ILB at some point, who knows, its worth a shot. The kid looks like a demon.

[PRBronco]

No joke, hopefully he's second team will next game, maybe they can slide Winborn over to sam (not implying he should actually play there, just in the interests of getting everyone on the field for evaluation).

[Punisher]

He looked better then Niko that's for sure....

[Tombstone RJ]

If Woodyard can be a Zack Thomas type of player, he'd be great at MLB for the Broncos. This defense needs a leader, an identity. Perhaps Woodyard can provide that.

[TheReverend]

You give him time. He looks great on the third team and maybe throughout pre-season he works his way into Winborn's spot (which should probably happen NOW so Winborn can shift to 2nd team Sam), and let him develop in practice and special teams so he can be a player for the franchise if/when he's ready.

[broncofan2438]

I wish they would give him more playing time. I hope they let the guys that can play get more reps this time around.

Same here, I think we should see him play more in the Dallas game. He's a hard hitter

[socalorado]

You give him time. He looks great on the third team and maybe throughout pre-season he works his way into Winborn's spot (which should probably happen NOW so Winborn can shift to 2nd team Sam), and let him develop in practice and special teams so he can be a player for the franchise if/when he's ready.


Overview
The leading tackler in the SEC over the past two years, Woodyard is a bit of a 'tweener for the next level. He plays an aggressive brand of football and has proven himself to be a reliable open-field tackler. However, he lacks the size and strength teams prefer at linebacker, really struggling with holding up at the point of attack. Woodyard's rare straight-line speed and fine instincts make him a potential fit as an in-the-box strong safety.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2354.jpg
Height:
6'1" Weight:
219 College:
Kentucky
I say put him at SS and stop dicking around. This guy has TONS of potential.
Barrett proved he has the speed to cover, guy was around the ball ALOT on Saturday. Barrett had 7 tackles to Woodyards 8!
Barrett has the coverage speed and size to patrol over the middle, and Woodyard has the in-the-box SS size and ability.
I swear, instead of screwing around, they should just put their "players" in the spots they would excel at, and let them play.
At least give it a shot, and see what happens against DAL. Why not!!?!?!

[2KBack]

Well the guy is currently listed at 230, which is only 2lbs less than Boss, so Linebacker isn't out of the question.

[socalorado]

Well the guy is currently listed at 230, which is only 2lbs less than Boss, so Linebacker isn't out of the question.

Dude, these guys are always over listed at their weight. His actual weight is most likely around 220-222. Hes been asked to gain weight, for LB, but his best postion at the NFL level is SS.
He would be a flat out beast at SS.

[Rabb]

yeah in my post-game review, he was a positive

kid's energy was just what I would like to see more of...at any position, but it was terrific to see on special teams and at LB

[PRBronco]

Yeah right after the draft I was so pumped on Lynch tutoring him as a SS, but Shanny's made it pretty clear he sees him as a linebacker. It's also pretty clear he's friggin good at it, so let's see where this goes! :)

[2KBack]

Dude, these guys are always over listed at their weight. His actual weight is most likely around 220-222. Hes been asked to gain weight, for LB, but his best postion at the NFL level is SS.
He would be a flat out beast at SS.

if everyone is listed over their actual weight, then the discrepancy in size is still the same.

[socalorado]

if everyone is listed over their actual weight, then the discrepancy in size is still the same.

No. I mean those "tweener" guys. Depending on where they are, they get overlisted at their weight.

I think its a shame he isnt playing at SS, but whatever!
I just want to see him playing because he is a freakin beast on the field, and its a shame that alot of the other guys dont have his intensity out there.

[BroncoMan4ever]

if he is playing at 230, which is possible because he did not look like a small LB or S, maybe he can put on another 10 pounds and become our MLB. because right now, Niko and Nate look like ****

[socalorado]

Did you guys notice this!?!?!
the underlined!?!?!
Overview
The leading tackler in the SEC over the past two years, Woodyard is a bit of a 'tweener for the next level. He plays an aggressive brand of football and has proven himself to be a reliable open-field tackler. However, he lacks the size and strength teams prefer at linebacker, really struggling with holding up at the point of attack. Woodyard's rare straight-line speed and fine instincts make him a potential fit as an in-the-box strong safety.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2354.jpg

[Ratboy]

He was all over the place. I liked what he was doing, if he keeps it up, he'll make the team.

[2KBack]

No. I mean those "tweener" guys. Depending on where they are, they get overlisted at their weight.

I think its a shame he isnt playing at SS, but whatever!
I just want to see him playing because he is a freakin beast on the field, and its a shame that alot of the other guys dont have his intensity out there.

I agree that he should see more time on the field, I'm just worried about the LB position right now and the idea of him calms me down

[Rabb]

as luck would have it, he might have a future at the strong side

[oubronco]

he'll get plenty of playing time the next few weeks then we'll see what he has for shanny

[telluride]

What all this praise for WW shows is that none of us are particularly confident in our LBs right now. Niko brought nothing in Houston. Boss may not make a full season. Webster is Webster, which means okay but nothing special. As of now, we seem to have one established LB, which is DJ.

I like the option offered a few posts above, which is to let the high-energy kids have a shot.

[Cosmo]

Niko didn't play all that bad guys. He got very little playing time tbh but when he did play he played a lot of zone coverage stuff on pass plays and on run plays he was near the ball each time. He was mostly overshadowed by Woodyard being to the ball first every time.

I was less impressed with Nate. He overshoots plays, misses tackles and goes for the knock out hit too often. He's a showboat and we need a steady player at MLB with Boss & DJ playing the outsides. Niko is exactly what we need in the middle.

Woodyard is got to be our backup Will LB, he played like a beast. Nothing more needs to be said, this guy needs to be on our team, period.

Larsen is similar to Niko, ideal for MLB.

Honestly, I'd like to see Boss, Niko, DJ as our starters. Nate, Larsen, Woodyard as our backups. Nate can play Sam as well, so that helps his cause.

Oh, I almost forgot about Beck. The dude can play, not sure we have room for him or not. We need to get these guys playing against 1st string to see who shines and who doesn't though.

[Killericon]

Niko didn't play all that bad guys. He got very little playing time tbh but when he did play he played a lot of zone coverage stuff on pass plays and on run plays he was near the ball each time. He was mostly overshadowed by Woodyard being to the ball first every time.

I was less impressed with Nate. He overshoots plays, misses tackles and goes for the knock out hit too often. He's a showboat and we need a steady player at MLB with Boss & DJ playing the outsides. Niko is exactly what we need in the middle.

Woodyard is got to be our backup Will LB, he played like a beast. Nothing more needs to be said, this guy needs to be on our team, period.

Larsen is similar to Niko, ideal for MLB.

Honestly, I'd like to see Boss, Niko, DJ as our starters. Nate, Larsen, Woodyard as our backups. Nate can play Sam as well, so that helps his cause.

Oh, I almost forgot about Beck. The dude can play, not sure we have room for him or not. We need to get these guys playing against 1st string to see who shines and who doesn't though.

What about Winborn?!?

I think you PS Larsen.

[Irish Stout]

Anyone who was in the chatroom at the time of the game probably got tired of me cracking "I've got a woody for Woody!" statements... although I wasn't the only oen. But it was true. Woodyard looks like he will develop into a great backer.

I had a good friend telling me over and over that this was a great pickup and the kid was a beast. I kind of ignored him since there is so much speculation during the off season anyway. Then I never really noticed his name in Training camp reports... so I was surprised to see Woodyard coming from everywhere in the second half of the Houstons game. If Woodyard wasn't making the tackle, he always seemed to be about 2 feet away from making the tackle. Not only that, but a couple times he got great backfield pressure.

[Broncojef]

Guys like Woodyard play their asses off seem like good options never seem to get a shot at LB when the real games start...we'll be watching Niko, Winborn and other struggle all year. Comon Shanny give him a real shot, he's nothing worse than the starting scrubs we have at this position and he can tackle.

[Cosmo]

Winborn did nothing special.

[sixtimeseight]

If Woodyard can be a Zack Thomas type of player

lol. Let's wait until he plays against someone other than the Texans' 3rd team scrubs before we start comparing him to one of the best MLBs of all time.

[Irish Stout]

lol. Let's wait until he plays against someone other than the Texans' 3rd team scrubs before we start comparing him to one of the best MLBs of all time.

I agree with that comment, but Woody was one of the very few LB or safeties that was wrapping up and actually tackling. After watching the last three years of defenders just running into or at WRs and RBs hoping they'd go down, I love seeing guys who actually hit, wrap, drop. The hustle Woody showed, his ability to get to the ball... the kid has a lot of potential. Its early, but I am calling it now that this guy will be a starter before the year is out. Hope Shanny sees it too.

[Broncojef]

I agree with that comment, but Woody was one of the very few LB or safeties that was wrapping up and actually tackling. After watching the last three years of defenders just running into or at WRs and RBs hoping they'd go down, I love seeing guys who actually hit, wrap, drop. The hustle Woody showed, his ability to get to the ball... the kid has a lot of potential. Its early, but I am calling it now that this guy will be a starter before the year is out. Hope Shanny sees it too.

The good news is if the other LBs can't stay healthy the coaching staff will be forced to play him more. I know it was third string but I agree he looked good.

[BroncoBuff]

I wish they would give him more playing time. I hope they let the guys that can play get more reps this time around.
With Green out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Woodyard make the team ... he's a lot younger than Winborn ... and some people just have a knack for the game that can't be quantified by measurables. Woodyard racked up sick TFL numbers at Kentucky ... that shows me instinct.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Why is Woodyard considered so small?

Isnt he like 230 lb?
Is he really short or something?

Regardless of his size, he was one of the few players that showed up for our defense Saturday night.

[hambone13]

Why is Woodyard considered so small?

Isnt he like 230 lb?
Is he really short or something?

Regardless of his size, he was one of the few players that showed up for our defense Saturday night.

Isn't Zack Thomas like 220? I agree with the earlier comment that we shouldn't start comparing them but his size seems to get mentioned a LOT. Additionally, wasn't Singletary like 225ish? He was always considered small especially considering he played in the 4-6?

Let's see how he does. I'm quite sure Shanny noticed him, how couldn't you.....

[PRBronco]

Isn't Zack Thomas like 220? I agree with the earlier comment that we shouldn't start comparing them but his size seems to get mentioned a LOT. Additionally, wasn't Singletary like 225ish? He was always considered small especially considering he played in the 4-6?

Let's see how he does. I'm quite sure Shanny noticed him, how couldn't you.....

No Zack Thomas is short, he's like 5'-11", that's why he gets mentioned in size convos. Pretty sure he's like 250 lbs though, haha. I'm trying to think of any MLBs under 240 pounds, i'm struggling.

[hambone13]

No Zack Thomas is short, he's like 5'-11", that's why he gets mentioned in size convos. Pretty sure he's like 250 lbs though, haha. I'm trying to think of any MLBs under 240 pounds, i'm struggling.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3569
5'11" 228......

Woodyard listed @ 6'1" 230?

If the rumors of players getting listed higher, you'd think they would be pretty similar? For being 3" taller, he sure wrapped up like a stouter build....

[PRBronco]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=3569
5'11" 228......

Woodyard listed @ 6'1" 230?

If the rumors of players getting listed higher, you'd think they would be pretty similar? For being 3" taller, he sure wrapped up like a stouter build....

Daaang, shows what I know! Wow I had no idea he was such a lightweight.

But about Woodyard, I was thinking I'd like to see him at mike, just for the fact that he's such a stout tackler. I mean he had over 400 tackles in college, and it's not like he was playing against scrubs. We'd have to have some pretty skookum tackles keeping his jersey clean though :-/ It doesn't help that he played Will all through college.

[2KBack]

No Zack Thomas is short, he's like 5'-11", that's why he gets mentioned in size convos. Pretty sure he's like 250 lbs though, haha. I'm trying to think of any MLBs under 240 pounds, i'm struggling.

Look no further than our own Nate Webster...6' 232lbs

http://www.nfl.com/players/natewebster/profile?id=WEB768167

[Tombstone RJ]

lol. Let's wait until he plays against someone other than the Texans' 3rd team scrubs before we start comparing him to one of the best MLBs of all time.

Point being is that Zach Thomas is NOT a big guy. I believe he is currently listed as 5'11" and 228lbs.

Hmmmm.

Well, WW is about the same size. Can WW be a Zach Thomas type of MLB for the Broncos?

That is the million dollar question.

[TheReverend]

Point being is that Zach Thomas is NOT a big guy. I believe he is currently listed as 5'11" and 228lbs.

Hmmmm.

Well, WW is about the same size. Can WW be a Zach Thomas type of MLB for the Broncos?

That is the million dollar question.

It's more of a 100 million dollar question and you can be 99.9% sure the answer is a resounding "NO"

[Bob]

Everyone thought that Zach Thomas was too small -- early in his career he was a great find. Elvis is too small as well -- great football players, with great speed, aggressivness, and instincts can make up for 20 pounds.

TD played way bigger than he was, Walter Payton was 187 (small by NFL standards in 1985.) Darrel Green played for 19 years at CB, he was 5 foot nothing -- but again had great speed and great football smarts.

Contrast TD with the Boz, or worse yet that Bozo QB number 2 pick by the Chargers. Hell, I cant even remember his name he was such a bust. Great measurables may help, but please remember back-flip boy 375 pounds, who if he had half the heart and work ethic of and average NFL player may have been able to have an NFL career. In the NBA you cant be 6 foot center but make it up with a great heart or insti ncts -- but in the NFL Doug Flutie was able to have a long career. If America's favorite midget can have a career in the NFL, than this guy has a chance. But maybe we should see if he makes the team first, remember Kasper, who is now a Ghost.

[bap454]

Honesty ... Woodyard looks considerably bigger than he did at the combine, Senior bowl, and the couple of games I caught last year. That was my first thought when I seen him in the Broncos uni last night. He is a TACKLING MACHINE!! I have been a big fan since even before the draft. I have to say he was the rookie that I was most excited about on draft day ( or the day after to be exact).

[telluride]

Let's just go ahead and give him his nickname now:

WWIII

[jsco70]

With Green out, I wouldn't be surprised to see Woodyard make the team ... he's a lot younger than Winborn ... and some people just have a knack for the game that can't be quantified by measurables. Woodyard racked up sick TFL numbers at Kentucky ... that shows me instinct.

Great point. Some players simply make plays regardless of other circumstance. Now that Green and Boss are out, Woodyard will get his opportunity to make the team. If he plays against Dallas the same as Saturday night, I'll put his name in ink on my 53 man roster.

[broncogary]

if everyone is listed over their actual weight, then the discrepancy in size is still the same.

Yeah, JaMarcus Russell is listed at 260. LOL

[Bronx33]

I like to see guys take advantage of opportunities and woodyard took full advantage i don't care it was against the scrubs the guy showed incentive and a nose for the ball. This team needs a leader on D and somebody has to step up woodyard could be that guy (down the road) iam rootin for the guy non the less.

[Drek]

Overview
I say put him at SS and stop dicking around. This guy has TONS of potential.
Barrett proved he has the speed to cover, guy was around the ball ALOT on Saturday. Barrett had 7 tackles to Woodyards 8!
Barrett has the coverage speed and size to patrol over the middle, and Woodyard has the in-the-box SS size and ability.
I swear, instead of screwing around, they should just put their "players" in the spots they would excel at, and let them play.
At least give it a shot, and see what happens against DAL. Why not!!?!?!


Maybe because as a safety he's a one dimensional player, only capable of being used on running downs, a la what we were going to do with John Lynch this year though obviously minus that kind of illustrious career and football fundamentals?

And maybe because we already have two promising youngsters at safety already with Abdullah and Barrett?

Woodyard should stay at linebacker. His best attribute is his nose for the ball and impressive tackling fundamentals for such a young player. You want to put him closer to the action on running plays, not further away from it. Also, his pass pro skills actually play as good for a linebacker, while they're decidedly lacking for a safety.

I've said all summer long that his best shot at making this team is by stealing Louis Green's job. Well he was just given a big opening on Saturday night when Green got hurt early and he capitalized on it big time. If he keeps it up he'll be on the 53 man with ample chances to prove what he can do.

Personally I don't like the idea of playing him at MLB. Again, nose for the ball, plus speed, and very good open field tackler. Why do we want to put that inside the hash marks and make him bang and pound around, filling gaps and watching plays bounce outside? He isn't going to suddenly go from being a SS/OLB to a standout MLB overnight, while at OLB, right or left, his skills play very well. Keep him outside and we might actually see him make a difference this year.

He's already added the weight, he's already playing and doing well at LB in pre-season. Lets see if he can take Louis Green's job, Bailey's recent injury might give him a shot to get on the field sooner than later when the games actually count.

[24champ]

I'm going to make sure that Woody plays...section 502 will be chanting Woooooddy! Wooooddy! Wooooddy!

ala Rudy.

http://www.irishlegends.com/image/july03/RudyStill3.jpg

^5

[Dedhed]

For those of us that haven't seen the game yet, where did they have Woodyard lined up on Saturday?

[TheReverend]

Let's just go ahead and give him his nickname now:

WWIII

I love it.

[BroncoBuff]

Guys like Woodyard play their asses off seem like good options never seem to get a shot at LB when the real games start...we'll be watching Niko, Winborn and other struggle all year. Comon Shanny give him a real shot, he's nothing worse than the starting scrubs we have at this position and he can tackle.
Nothing is set among backup LBs ... outside the starters plus Niko, it's wide open. Louis Green and Boss Bailey were both injured, and both will be out at least a week ... Jamie Winborn is getting kinda old (9th year), and Larsen was moved to FB (not a good sign for him imo). So things are really looking up for Wesley Woodyard.

I'm looking at Woodyard and Josh Barrett to really liven up the roster ... a couppla huge college performers who were lightly regarded in the draft ... big hitters who could make contributions right away

And I pimped both of them before the draft :thanku:

[BroncoBuff]

That is ^^^ alotta LBs injured and moved ... anybody notice Jordan Beck the other night? Does he have a shot? Shanahan praised him during mini-camp, but I haven't heard anybody mention him lately ???

[Rohirrim]

Nothing is set among backup LBs ... outside the starters plus Niko, it's wide open. Louis Green and Boss Bailey were both injured, and both will be out at least a week ... Jamie Winborn is getting kinda old (9th year), and Larsen was moved to FB (not a good sign for him imo). So things are really looking up for Wesley Woodyard.

I'm looking at Woodyard and Josh Barrett to really liven up the roster ... a couppla huge college performers who were lightly regarded in the draft ... big hitters who could make contributions right away

And I pimped both of them before the draft :thanku:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1835531&highlight=wesley+woodyard#post1835531

See post #3. :~ohyah!:

[TallyBronco]

I didn't notice Larsen at all against Houston. I think the play ran into Beck more often than Beck ran into the play. But Woodyard was going opposite field, and several times was the only supporting cast within five yards when a CB or S was making the tackle. His major mistake was biting on a QB bootleg (which apparently is something we teach to all of our linebackers).

And Webster, dear lord, he's the overpursuit specialist. Any RB with a modest cutback can swing him off the play in a blink.

[BroncoBuff]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1835531&highlight=wesley+woodyard#post1835531

See post #3. :~ohyah!:
Right on ... high character too? How tf did he not get drafted? He had toms of tackles and sick tfl numbers in college, and he's an excellent tackler. I remember pimping him in the Draft Room as better than Beau Bell. I wasn't even sure I believed it myself at the time, but it's gonna be fun watching to find out.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I would like to point out that I was second on his bandwagon:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1961475#post1961475

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1960889#post1960889

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1961546#post1961546

Now go ahead and crown my ass..... bitches

[BigPlayShay]

For those of us that haven't seen the game yet, where did they have Woodyard lined up on Saturday?

Weakside

[Drek]

Nothing is set among backup LBs ... outside the starters plus Niko, it's wide open. Louis Green and Boss Bailey were both injured, and both will be out at least a week ... Jamie Winborn is getting kinda old (9th year), and Larsen was moved to FB (not a good sign for him imo). So things are really looking up for Wesley Woodyard.

I'm looking at Woodyard and Josh Barrett to really liven up the roster ... a couppla huge college performers who were lightly regarded in the draft ... big hitters who could make contributions right away

And I pimped both of them before the draft :thanku:

Larsen recently changed his number so that he could be FB or LB eligible without having to check in with a ref. I think he's going to be more of a super sub option that they want around for versatility and special teams while they find a real home for him. Maybe he becomes a starting MLB, or maybe he's another Keith Burns leader of the STs type.

Woodyard's shot is taking Green's job. Larsen's shot is taking Winborn's or Webster's. He's got the harder battle, but his diverse skillset will also help him potentially land one of the last two or three spots that are up for grabs regardless of position.

I think he's more likely to wind up on the PS though and be our first call-up if any LB or FB goes down.

[DukeWoody]

Some more 'wood' for Woodyard!

http://www2.gazette.com/broncos/display.php?id=1333564

[lex]

I agree Woodyard needs more snaps. I want to see him get a stint at ILB at some point, who knows, its worth a shot. The kid looks like a demon.

ILB? The guy is a S/OLB tweener.

[maher_tyler]

STs is gonna be his spot. If he continues to make plays without freelancing too much, then he'll make the 53 for STs and LB depth.

Yep, remember how TD got his spot on the roster...ST's!! Play your ass off no matter where you play and the coaches will notice.

[lex]

I kind of wish we would be more willing to see what guys can do when we dont exactly have stellar guys at the top of the depth chart. Why not give Larsen more of a chance? Why not give Woodyard more of a chance? We basically know what we have in Webster...he's been on the roster for a while.

[Rohirrim]

Right on ... high character too? How tf did he not get drafted? He had toms of tackles and sick tfl numbers in college, and he's an excellent tackler. I remember pimping him in the Draft Room as better than Beau Bell. I wasn't even sure I believed it myself at the time, but it's gonna be fun watching to find out.

Every year somebody slips through the cracks. This year it was Wesley.

[skpac1001]

I would like to point out that I was second on his bandwagon:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1961475#post1961475

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1960889#post1960889

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1961546#post1961546

Now go ahead and crown my ass..... b****es

Wow, you see that guy in the first page of the second thread who calls for Woodyard and Hillis late in the draft? He has got to be feeling pretty good about himself. Obviously a smart guy, and I bet modest too.

[2KBack]

I can't seem to find it again, but I was reading somewhere yesterday that said Woodyard is running with the 2nd team defense. This is mostly due to injury, but he'll be getting his shot to show his skills some more.

[Irish Stout]

That is ^^^ alotta LBs injured and moved ... anybody notice Jordan Beck the other night? Does he have a shot? Shanahan praised him during mini-camp, but I haven't heard anybody mention him lately ???

Truth is we're all man crushing over Woodyards hustle and desire and haven't really digested Beck's role. Truth is I think he looked pretty good. He didn't do anything stellar, but didn't make any big mistakes. He looked more sure footed out there than Niko and IMO he could very easily develop over the next year into a definite starter and quality player. I'm actually very curious to see what Beck does the rest of this preseason.

[BroncoBuff]

Larsen recently changed his number so that he could be FB or LB eligible without having to check in with a ref. I think he's going to be more of a super sub option that they want around for versatility and special teams while they find a real home for him. Maybe he becomes a starting MLB, or maybe he's another Keith Burns leader of the STs type.

Woodyard's shot is taking Green's job. Larsen's shot is taking Winborn's or Webster's. He's got the harder battle, but his diverse skillset will also help him potentially land one of the last two or three spots that are up for grabs regardless of position.

I think he's more likely to wind up on the PS though and be our first call-up if any LB or FB goes down.
Excellent scenario for Larsen, I hope that works out because he seems pretty awesome.

Drek, I've never totally bought into the "Jamie Winborn is a diamond in the rough," or that he'll be a starter for us. After all, were his 4th team in 9 seasons (and 4th in 4 years), and he has just 20 starts in his career. He did bring a refreshing energy to a shell-shocked defense last year, but that doesn't mean we should assume he has a job, especially after watching Woodyard and hearing Shanahan's high praise for Beck during mini-camp.

[Tombstone RJ]

It's more of a 100 million dollar question and you can be 99.9% sure the answer is a resounding "NO"

I think there is alot of similarities between ZT and WW. Both are smallish, both were tackling machines in college, both were overlooked coming out of college and both have that all important nose for the ball.

What makes ZT so great is not his physique or measurables, it's his ability to read a play and get to the ball. Some LBs just have an instinctual ability to get to the ball and certainly, ZT has this. Perhaps WW has it too.

Another great LB was Mike Singletary. He was not a big guy, but he had great instincts and tenacity. Sure, he had alot of talent around him, but he produced big plays and made big tackles.

Who knows if WW has that same dimension. However, he sure looks like he has that type of potential. Esp. if he plays the game with a chip on his shoulder.

[sixtimeseight]

hahahaha now we are not only comparing Woodyard to Zach Thomas, but also to Mike ****ing Singletary? Come on man, get a grip. There is much higher likelyhood that Woodyard gets cut before the season starts then him ever even being a starter in the NFL, let alone anywhere near those HOF linebackers. I know it's preseason and there's not much to talk about, but come on...

[skpac1001]

hahahaha now we are not only comparing Woodyard to Zach Thomas, but also to Mike ****ing Singletary? Come on man, get a grip. There is much higher likelyhood that Woodyard gets cut before the season starts then him ever even being a starter in the NFL, let alone anywhere near those HOF linebackers. I know it's preseason and there's not much to talk about, but come on...

At one of the post senior bowl interviews Mike ****ing Singletary said Woodyard reminds him of himself. I would think he has a pretty good grip on things.

[sixtimeseight]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game. Deal?

[Broncojef]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game. Deal?

Evidently you haven't watched our LB corp lately...yeah I'll take that bet.

[sixtimeseight]

How much?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game. Deal?

I'l take the bet for two hundred. Deal?

[sixtimeseight]

Yea, I'll take that bet. My only stipulation is that he can't get the start purely due to injuries to other backers.

edit: and obviously he has to start at LB, not special teams.

[Broncojef]

Yea, I'll take that bet. My only stipulation is that he can't get the start purely due to injuries to other backers.

edit: and obviously he has to start at LB, not special teams.

You're starting to waffle dude. Injuries will open the door for him but based on what I saw he's every bit as good with his tackling and nose for the ball as any LB we have on our roster (not saying much). I can't imagine Shanny at some point in the season not needing him, he looked solid. By the way I bet one cold one at Invesco.

[sixtimeseight]

No, I'm not waffling, I made the bet to illustrate that based on his talent, he's more likely to be out of the NFL in a year than to be a starting LB. If a few of our LBs ahead of him on the depth chart get injured and he starts, it's not because of his skill, it's because we don't have another choice.

It would be like if I thought Hackney was the best QB on the roster and that he would eventually start a game for the Broncos, if you bet the other side of that, I'm guessing you'd want an injury provision.

Oh and yes, I'll take your bet for one cold one at Invesco.

[DBroncos4life]

I wish we would have signed Thomas or traded for Urlacher. I will fill much better with a true leader in the middle.

[theAPAOps5]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game. Deal?

Is that the only argument you have? Do I need to school you again on how scouts aren't exactly the best judges either. Man you have an unnatural love for Scouts for some reason. I don't want to break out facts as you will just disappear again.

[sixtimeseight]

Pointing out three examples of high draft picks that didn't pan out isn't exactly "schooling" me. Feel free to try a different argument though.

[theAPAOps5]

Pointing out three examples of high draft picks that didn't pan out isn't exactly "schooling" me. Feel free to try a different argument though.

Dance puppet dance. It was more than just 3. Quick, run I hear a scout in trouble.

[Rohirrim]

How many players have scouts missed on because the player didn't have the "measurables?" Big number. The same scouts who said Jerry Rice was too slow and Rod Smith could go undrafted. Woodyard led the SEC in tackles. I can't imagine how anybody would think that stat wouldn't translate to the NFL.

[cmhargrove]

A little blip from Denverbroncos.com from Tuesday:

WOODYARD IMPRESSING

One player who made a splash in Houston Saturday night, and also spoke to the media after practice, was undrafted rookie Wesley Woodyard, who led the team with eight solo tackles.

"Anytime I am on the field I am going to give it my all," Woodyard told reporters Saturday, after the game. "I am trying to make the team so anything I can do to make the team, I am going to try and do."

At the University of Kentucky, the 6-foot-1, 230-pounder earned first-team All-SEC accolades for both his junior and senior campaigns. In 2007, he led the SEC with 10.6 tackles-per-game and tied for 14th in the nation with 139 total stops.

Though fellow SEC standout linebackers Jerod Mayo from Tennessee and Jonathan Goff from Vanderbilt were both drafted, in the first and fifth rounds respectively, Woodyard beat them both out in numerous events at the NFL Scouting Combine in February. Woodyard's impressive 4.51 second 40-yard dash time edged out both Mayo and Goff, and he also surpassed them in the 20-yard shuttle run with a 4.25.

Though his stats standout, scouts have labeled him undersized. But that hasn't stopped him from making the most of his opportunity with the Broncos, showing a good nose for the ball in training camp and translating that onto the field against the Texans.

"That's why I went out there on Saturday, to make sure that every opportunity I got out on the field that somebody noticed what I was doing," Woodyard said after practice Monday. "You're always an injury away, so you've got to be ready. When your opportunity comes, you've got to be out there and step in just like you're a first-teamer and be ready to play."

[sixtimeseight]

Dance puppet dance. It was more than just 3. Quick, run I hear a scout in trouble.

So you want to take my bet then? How much can I put you down for? With a fat mouth like yours, I'm guessing at least $1k. Let me know soon champ, I want to get this thing booked before he gets cut.

[worm]

His goal should be to be the backup Will and become a beast on special teams.

To try to turn him into something else is unfair to a kid having to already overcome huge obstacles in order to stick.

The savior for this season at MLB is NOT going to be WW.

The best shot for a middle of the road D this year is to pray for DRob to hold up in the middle and demand consistent double teams. The DEs to take advantage of their one-on-one match ups. And Niko to be solid albeit unspectacular in the middle.

Next year you draft MLB #1.

More than the crappy drafts Denver has had prior to the past couple of years....the premature loss of Al Wilson was the #1 devastating blow to the credibility of this D.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Yea, I'll take that bet. My only stipulation is that he can't get the start purely due to injuries to other backers.

edit: and obviously he has to start at LB, not special teams.

Oh... so cracking the starting lineup by the very means that most undrafted free agents get their break doesn't count? I thought the bet was "cut before he ever starts." No stipulations.

[sixtimeseight]

If he's as good as everyone around here seems to think he is, he should be able to get a start regardless, especially considering how bad our LBs corp is right now. See my example above about Hackney, I'm not going to lose the bet because Boss, Niko and Webster all get injured in a game and Woodyard gets an emergency start.

[theAPAOps5]

If he's as good as everyone around here seems to think he is, he should be able to get a start regardless, especially considering how bad our LBs corp is right now. See my example above about Hackney, I'm not going to lose the bet because Boss, Niko and Webster all get injured in a game and Woodyard gets an emergency start.

You are calling someone big mouthed. You spout off more than anyone on this site. Anyways, I am just laughing at you not standing up for Woodyard. Count me out of the starting or playing group.

[sixtimeseight]

You are calling someone big mouthed. You spout off more than anyone on this site. Anyways, I am just laughing at you and standing up for Woodyard. Count me out of the starting or playing group.

Yea, didn't think so. Kinda sucks getting called out after running your mouth, huh?

[theAPAOps5]

Yea, didn't think so. Kinda sucks getting called out after running your mouth, huh?

What did you call me out on. Man you are not only the biggest talker but the dumbest poster too. Hurry, a heard someone is talking smack about a scout in another thread. go save them.

[sixtimeseight]

You ran your mouth, I told you to put up or shut up, and you ran away like a little bitch. See ya later.

[theAPAOps5]

You ran your mouth, I told you to put up or shut up, and you ran away like a little b****. See ya later.

God you are dumb. I ran my mouth about you! Not this stupid argument. Jesus did you flunk out of school, your reading comprehension sucks.

[sixtimeseight]

Ok, so you're just trolling me. You go on ignore now. Buh bye. Shame I won't get to read another one of your mediocre "camp reports."

[theAPAOps5]

Oh so you can't handle someone calling out your BS attitude here. So you put someone on ignore and make a juvenile attack on something for the site. Yeah I smell jealousy along with stupidity from you.

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Great rebuttal and I look forward to a lot more of the same from you.

[Drek]

Excellent scenario for Larsen, I hope that works out because he seems pretty awesome.

Drek, I've never totally bought into the "Jamie Winborn is a diamond in the rough," or that he'll be a starter for us. After all, were his 4th team in 9 seasons (and 4th in 4 years), and he has just 20 starts in his career. He did bring a refreshing energy to a shell-shocked defense last year, but that doesn't mean we should assume he has a job, especially after watching Woodyard and hearing Shanahan's high praise for Beck during mini-camp.

Winborn is a solid backup, good special teamer, and he can handle both OLB jobs.

I don't think he's capable of being a good starter, but he's not a bad guy to have on the roster. Woodyard, Larsen, and Niko might all be that same category of player though as well. I don't think Winborn will step out of it, any of those three could, but we need at least one, preferably two, of them to do that.

[ColoradoBuff]

So you want to take my bet then? How much can I put you down for? With a fat mouth like yours, I'm guessing at least $1k. Let me know soon champ, I want to get this thing booked before he gets cut.

What a blowhard you are sixtimeseight.......get your boots on fella's, the shiat's getting DEEP in here! But remember......sixtimeseight knows it ALL!:notworthy

[ColoradoBuff]

Winborn is a solid backup, good special teamer, and he can handle both OLB jobs.

I don't think he's capable of being a good starter, but he's not a bad guy to have on the roster. Woodyard, Larsen, and Niko might all be that same category of player though as well. I don't think Winborn will step out of it, any of those three could, but we need at least one, preferably two, of them to do that.


I agree Drek.....Winborn is a solid linebacker and special teamer but I think he is an average at best starting LB. Would love to see Woodyard get the chance to take over for the injured Boss Bailey. The one thing that stands out with Woodyard is that he loves the game, plays with passion...may not have all the measureables of a Boss Bailey but you just don't lead the SEC in tackles 2 years in a row on accident!

[theAPAOps5]

What a blowhard you are sixtimeseight.......get your boots on fella's, the shiat's getting DEEP in here! But remember......sixtimeseight knows it ALL!:notworthy

Don't challenge him with anything that resembles facts. He will shy away and result to personal attacks. Keep it up though I found when he is challenged beyond his 3rd grade level he results to ignore. Its awesome!

[Dr. Broncenstein]

If he's as good as everyone around here seems to think he is, he should be able to get a start regardless, especially considering how bad our LBs corp is right now. See my example above about Hackney, I'm not going to lose the bet because Boss, Niko and Webster all get injured in a game and Woodyard gets an emergency start.

So... you are retracting your original bet. Got it.

[sixtimeseight]

Uh yea, except not. So you honestly think that him getting a cheap emergency start because everyone ahead of him on the depth chart is injured is a legitimate reflection of his skill? Because that's what you're saying.

How about this bet instead.... I say Brandon Marshall will play this year, you take the position that you vehemently defended all offseason, that he will be out all year because of his arm. Since you're a doctor and all and clearly know more about his injury than me, this should be easy money for you.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game. Deal?

This was your bet. Coming in after the fact with "stipulations" and outright new bets is a b!tch move.

[ColoradoBuff]

This was your bet. Coming in after the fact with "stipulations" and outright new bets is a b!tch move.


Would you expect anything less? Look who you are dealing with!

[sixtimeseight]

Sounds like you don't have much faith in your boy Woodyard if you don't even think he can crack the starting roster without essentially every other LB on the team getting injured. The bet is essentially a no-lose proposition for you if you think he can stay on the 53 man roster, as the only way you lose is if he gets cut.

So do you also think that the "stipulation" that he has to start as a LB, not a special teamer shouldn't apply? Because if we are going by the strict wording of my original post, I would lose if he started as a special teamer. But that obviously wasn't the point of my original bet, which was to discredit Woodyard as a talented player, which is why I proposed the bet. Him making it to the starting lineup not through talent, but through injury is a cheap way out of the bet and obviously goes against the original point.

I see you glossed over the Marshall bet, good move.

[sixtimeseight]

Would you expect anything less? Look who you are dealing with!

Who the **** are you? Bet me or go away.

[ColoradoBuff]

Who the **** are you? Bet me or go away.

Who the **** are you? Oh, that's right.....you're just a loud mouth that likes to biatch and complain about stuff and talk out his ***. Why would any sane man take a bet with you? You're no better than the lardass welcher Bob! Now STFU!

[Dr. Broncenstein]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game (see below). Deal?

Please realize that by "start" I mean inserted into the starting lineup on merit. The term "start" is null and void in the event of the following: anyone else is injured, the talent pool of Bronco linbackers is deemed insufficient by a panel of talent scouts determined by myself, unfavorable winds, or rising oil costs. Please also note that I reserve the right to revise or change alltogether the conditions of the bet if I should see fit.

Fixed it for you.

[ColoradoBuff]

Fixed it for you.

LOL 6x8 is Bob's long lost brother!

[sixtimeseight]

Who the **** are you? Oh, that's right.....you're just a loud mouth that likes to biatch and complain about stuff and talk out his ***. Why would any sane man take a bet with you? You're no better than the lardass welcher Bob! Now STFU!

Uh... ok

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Much better. Also I couldn't help notice while putting you on ignore that you're like 32 years old... And you type like you're 13. Kinda sad, you might want to work on that.

[sixtimeseight]

Fixed it for you.

Ok, so you're too afraid to take a bet that you know you can't win, so you need to squirm out on a technicality. Good to know.

And how about that Brandon Marshall? I sincerely hope for your sake that IF you're a real doctor, none of your patients saw that whole debacle cause that would put your credibility in serious doubt.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Sounds like you don't have much faith in your boy Woodyard if you don't even think he can crack the starting roster without essentially every other LB on the team getting injured. The bet is essentially a no-lose proposition for you if you think he can stay on the 53 man roster, as the only way you lose is if he gets cut.

So do you also think that the "stipulation" that he has to start as a LB, not a special teamer shouldn't apply? Because if we are going by the strict wording of my original post, I would lose if he started as a special teamer. But that obviously wasn't the point of my original bet, which was to discredit Woodyard as a talented player, which is why I proposed the bet. Him making it to the starting lineup not through talent, but through injury is a cheap way out of the bet and obviously goes against the original point.

I see you glossed over the Marshall bet, good move.

Again, you offered the bet and ran for cover as soon as you realized your mistake. Changing the terms and alltogether changing the subject is a lame attempt to detract from your poor judgement in issuing a money-backed challenge.

[sixtimeseight]

Ran for cover? Hardly. I am protecting myself against the freak possibility of 2 or 3 LBers getting injured in the same game. If that's too much for you, I suggest you stay away from the world of betting, it's clearly too much for you to handle.

[crowebomber]

Sounds like you don't have much faith in your boy Woodyard if you don't even think he can crack the starting roster without essentially every other LB on the team getting injured. The bet is essentially a no-lose proposition for you if you think he can stay on the 53 man roster, as the only way you lose is if he gets cut.

So do you also think that the "stipulation" that he has to start as a LB, not a special teamer shouldn't apply? Because if we are going by the strict wording of my original post, I would lose if he started as a special teamer. But that obviously wasn't the point of my original bet, which was to discredit Woodyard as a talented player, which is why I proposed the bet. Him making it to the starting lineup not through talent, but through injury is a cheap way out of the bet and obviously goes against the original point.

I see you glossed over the Marshall bet, good move.



Dude, you're always going to be able to point to a linebacker down the line who got injured, giving Woodyard the bump up. I mean if Woodyard starts next year, you'll point to how Louis Green got the concussion which bumped Woodyard up another notch. "If Louis Green doesn't go down in the 2008 preseason , he'd still be sitting behind Green."

Plus, the majority of guys who start out as backups and earn a starting role get their opportunity when someone else goes down. If you want to back out of a bet, just admit that you shouldn't have opened your mouth in the first place instead of putting in all these rediculous provisions.

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[sixtimeseight]

Dude, you're always going to be able to point to a linebacker down the line who got injured, giving Woodyard the bump up. I mean if Woodyard starts next year, you'll point to how Louis Green got the concussion which bumped Woodyard up another notch. "If Louis Green doesn't go down in the 2008 preseason , he'd still be sitting behind Green."

Plus, the majority of guys who start out as backups and earn a starting role get their opportunity when someone else goes down. If you want to back out of a bet, just admit that you shouldn't have opened your mouth in the first place instead of putting in all these rediculous provisions.

Ridiculous provisions? lol....

Alright, I'm going to spell this out one more time for all the slow people here. I don't think Woodyard is an NFL quality LBer. Lots of people here think that he is the second coming of Mike Singletary. As such, I am offering a simple wager. If Woodyard becomes a starter at linebacker for the Broncos, you win. If he gets cut, I win. If he starts because everybody ahead of him on the depth chart gets injured IN THE SAME GAME, it's a push. If the entire season goes by without any of these things happening, it's a push. Please, no more stupid posts like the one above.

[crowebomber]

Ridiculous provisions? lol....

Alright, I'm going to spell this out one more time for all the slow people here. I don't think Woodyard is an NFL quality LBer. Lots of people here think that he is the second coming of Mike Singletary. As such, I am offering a simple wager. If Woodyard becomes a starter at linebacker for the Broncos, you win. If he gets cut, I win. If he starts because everybody ahead of him on the depth chart gets injured IN THE SAME GAME, it's a push. If the entire season goes by without any of these things happening, it's a push. Please, no more stupid posts like the one above.

OK, so now he has to start this season? Didn't have that one in there either. Maybe you should have thought before you typed.

[ColoradoBuff]

OK, so now he has to start this season? Didn't have that one in there either. Maybe you should have thought before you typed.

Give it up Crowebomber....he's a lost cause. No one can help that douchebag!

[Play2win]

LOL 6x8 is Bob's long lost brother!

Or maybe... LEX's ;D

[theAPAOps5]

No keep it up. I want to see how many people he puts on ignore. he does it to anyone who challenges him!

[Play2win]

And, as a tribute to MOCK... Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:



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[sixtimeseight]

OK, so now he has to start this season? Didn't have that one in there either. Maybe you should have thought before you typed.

What, you want the bet to just go indefinitely, as long as he's in the league? What if he's still a backup 6 years from now? Seriously, just stop being stupid.

[ColoradoBuff]

No keep it up. I want to see how many people he puts on ignore. he does it to anyone who challenges him!

Or how many people put him on iggy and have him hopefully leave!

[Pat Bowlen]

What, you want the bet to just go indefinitely, as long as he's in the league? What if he's still a backup 6 years from now? Seriously, just stop being stupid.
If he's still a backup and hasn't been cut, then the bet should still stand until he gets cut or starts. I don't think logic is your strong suit.

[crowebomber]

What, you want the bet to just go indefinitely, as long as he's in the league? What if he's still a backup 6 years from now? Seriously, just stop being stupid.

Uh, no, until he gets cut from the Broncos or starts. That's the bet you made.

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Did somebody fart? Freakin stinks in here!

[Pat Bowlen]

While I'm annoyed, there is nothing more backwards than pointing out the fact that you have someone on ignore.

[ColoradoBuff]

While I'm annoyed, there is nothing more backwards than pointing out the fact that you have someone on ignore.

Hey Pat...how's practice going? Did Jerry fly up with the team?

[Crushaholic]

Awesome...I check this thread to see why a thread devoted to some scrub is still active and I find some guy trying to make convoluted "bets" with everyone. I love the offseason...ROFL!

And, yes...It's still offseason to me...

[sixtimeseight]

Uh, no, until he gets cut from the Broncos or starts. That's the bet you made.

First of all, I haven't made any bets yet. Second of all, are you done being stupid?

[BroncoBuff]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8484/woodyardwesleymh0.jpg


Check this out ... from his sophomore year on, he was the picture of a consistent big-play maker.

Add up his: Sacks + TFL + PBU + Int, starting his sophomore year. The total is right at ONE big play per game - which is a mega-blast of fresh air after Ian Gold (and even DJ). I've always felt that big plays are a knack that can't be measured at a combine. Plus his tackles are consistently very high all three years, 100-139, progressively more each year. And all this is in the SEC.

I don't get the "exceptionaly undersized" line ... 230 is not so bad for a rookie OLB.

[Tombstone RJ]

Since I'm the poster who's thrown sixtimeseight into a fit of rage with my comparison of WW to ZT and MS let me explain my comparisons.

First, I never said WW is ZT or MS, I simply said his potential to become a productive LB in the NFL LIKE a Zack Thomas or LIKE a Mike Singletary seems entirely POSSIBLE.

Now, will that happen, will WW be the next ZT? I don't know. However, I do see viable similarities between the two players, which I have already illustrated.

As for Mike Singletary, I'm comparing WW attitude, tenacity and love of the game with a player like Mike Singletary. What MS lacked in size and speed, he made up for in attitude, tenacity and love of the game. Consequently, he become a HOF on a SB winning team with one of the best defenses ever in NFL history.

Now, am I saying WW is the next Mike Singletary? NO!!

I'm simply saying he has the potential to become a Mike Singletary type of linebacker, that is, not physically imposing, but extremely productive nonetheless.

So sixtimeseight, I'm sorry to throw you into such a rage that you have gotten yourself into a betting situation where you have backed yourself into a corner and now are being exposed as a fraud and a predisposed welcher.

Sad.

[gyldenlove]

The problem is that he is 6 feet and a pube, he can't add a whole lot of weight without turning into a fatbody. If he had been 6-2 he could add the 10 pounds he needs and nobody would think anything of it.

[Tombstone RJ]

lol. Too bad NFL scouts actually know what they're doing and don't have to listen to Mike Singletary to form their opinions on who to draft. There's a reason he went undrafted and it's not because he's the next Mike Singletary. In fact, I'll bet anybody here any amount of money that Woodyard gets cut from this team before he starts a game. Deal?

Here's the original bet, it seems pretty clear to me what you are saying.

[sixtimeseight]

Since I'm the poster who's thrown sixtimeseight into a fit of rage with my comparison of WW to ZT and MS let me explain my comparisons.

First, I never said WW is ZT or MS, I simply said his potential to become a productive LB in the NFL LIKE a Zack Thomas or LIKE a Mike Singletary seems entirely POSSIBLE.

Now, will that happen, will WW be the next ZT? I don't know. However, I do see viable similarities between the two players, which I have already illustrated.

As for Mike Singletary, I'm comparing WW attitude, tenacity and love of the game with a player like Mike Singletary. What MS lacked in size and speed, he made up for in attitude, tenacity and love of the game. Consequently, he become a HOF on a SB winning team with one of the best defenses ever in NFL history.

Now, am I saying WW is the next Mike Singletary? NO!!

I'm simply saying he has the potential to become a Mike Singletary type of linebacker, that is, not physically imposing, but extremely productive nonetheless.

So sixtimeseight, I'm sorry to throw you into such a rage that you have gotten yourself into a betting situation where you have backed yourself into a corner and now are being exposed as a fraud and a predisposed welcher.

Sad.

Welcher, ok buddy. Obviously any bet I'd make would require escrow as I wouldn't trust a single one of you to pay me if I won. That's nice that you know so much about me from a couple posts but I think you should probably stick to what you do best; making idiotic, unfounded and laughable comparisons between undrafted scrubs and hall of fame players. I could almost guarantee you've compared such players as Todd Devoe, Adrian Madise and Terry Pierce to Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Brian Urlacher.

Oh, and I don't get mad at words on a screen, that's clearly your deal. Good luck with that, seek therapy.

[PRBronco]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8484/woodyardwesleymh0.jpg


Check this out ... from his sophomore year on, he was the picture of a consistent big-play maker.

Add up his: Sacks + TFL + PBU + Int, starting his sophomore year. The total is right at ONE big play per game - which is a mega-blast of fresh air after Ian Gold (and even DJ). I've always felt that big plays are a knack that can't be measured at a combine. Plus his tackles are consistently very high all three years, 100-139, progressively more each year. And all this is in the SEC.

I don't get the "exceptionaly undersized" line ... 230 is not so bad for a rookie OLB.

Too lazy to look it up, but I think he ran an even faster 40 at the combine. He also lit **** up at the senior bowl.

[Broncosmang]

I don't know how he slid as far as he did. You add up production plus athletic ability and he should have at least been a mid rounder. Hell, if Ian Gold can start in this league for years there's no reason Woodyard can't have an impact

[2KBack]

The problem is that he is 6 feet and a pube, he can't add a whole lot of weight without turning into a fatbody. If he had been 6-2 he could add the 10 pounds he needs and nobody would think anything of it.

That's not true at all, Al Wilson was only 6 feet tall and weighed 240. Woodyard would be just fine at 230-235.

[cmhargrove]

Is there any way we can keep this thread about Woodyard?

[Irish Stout]

I just fall more in love with this guy everyday... Can't wait to see his action on Saturday!

Posted from the Boulder Daily Camera:

Annoyed
Two things annoy Wesley Woodyard: people who act surprised by his standout game against Houston last Saturday and people who call him "Woodward" instead of "Woodyard."
Woodyard had eight solo tackles and "wasn't surprised at all."
"I'm a guy that gives 100 percent every time out," he said.
He demonstrated that type of ability at Kentucky, where he was first-team All-SEC his last two seasons and led the conference with 10.6 tackles per game as a senior.
"Every game I play I try to turn heads," Woodyard said. "I want to make an impact on people whatever I'm doing."
Denver's defensive coordinator was already impressed with Woodyard. His impressions were reinforced in the Houston game.
"I saw Woodyard did a heck of a job jumping in once the lights went on," Slowik said.
Woodyard says people mispronounce his name all the time, but he has a solution.
"They'll get it right if I continue to make plays," he said.

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/aug/13/ex-dallas-fan-relishes-game-with-cowboys/

[Killericon]

Is there any way we can keep this thread about Woodyard?

I'm surprised we're not talking about the Chiefs yet.

[SBboundBroncos]

That's not true at all, Al Wilson was only 6 feet tall and weighed 240. Woodyard would be just fine at 230-235.

exactly, even if he did add some fat it wouldnt hurt him that much just maybe make it a little easier to hold his ground

but he is 6-1 231 i beleive is that the broncs have him listed

i mean Boss is 6-3 233, winborne 5-11 230, niko 6-2 238,

so hes what like 6-10 pounds light . . . . big deal if he can play

[colonelbeef]

being large does not a good ballhawking football player make. There are plenty of examples of guys who were "undersized" turning into stars out of nowhere. You can't teach size, but you also can't teach heart, or instinct for the ball and where it is headed. Woodyard is by no means tiny, he just isn't the ideal size according to NFL standards. this means nothing. Ryan Leaf had the perfect size and arm strength for the NFL. Blair Thomas was a can't miss prospect coming out of Penn State. Tony Mandarich was going to revolutionize the LT position with his amazing size and dexterity.

How did those guys turn out?

Woodyard can play, who cares if he is 1 inch and 20 pounds shorter than the ideal NFL LB.

[BroncoBuff]

but he is 6-1 231 i beleive is that the broncs have him listed

i mean Boss is 6-3 233, winborne 5-11 230, niko 6-2 238,

so hes what like 6-10 pounds light . . . . big deal if he can play
Ian Gold was just 223.

[Inkana7]

Ian Gold was just 223.

Soaking wet.

[bcbronc]

put DJ back at Mike and play WW on the outside. then let Nate and Niko compete to back up strong side (for all the games BB will miss) and the middle. Beck, Green and Winborn can fight for a final roster spot (Beck will probably go PS imo).

then when DJ gets sick of moving around and leaves, we draft a MLB with our 1st.

[Inkana7]

put DJ back at Mike and play WW on the outside. then let Nate and Niko compete to back up strong side (for all the games BB will miss) and the middle. Beck, Green and Winborn can fight for a final roster spot (Beck will probably go PS imo).

then when DJ gets sick of moving around and leaves, we draft a MLB with our 1st.

That would be the worst possible move this team could make.

[UboBronco]

Who was the guy that played in the USFL, then for the Saints, who was only 5'9" and 230lbs? I believe it was Ricky something..

I also believe he had cancer and coached for the Panthers during their super bowl season. RSVP I believe.. But he was not a "big" middle linebacker.. Just had heart and fire to play.

He was totally undrafted, as Woodyard... So yes, there is hope that we have another diamond in the rough as a free agent.

[lookin' glass]

Sam Mills.

[UboBronco]

Thanks for the reminder, I just could not recall his name. But I feel this is a very good comparison possibility for Woodyard.

Thanks again...

[lookin' glass]

You're welcome. I believe he passed away a few years ago.

[Broncojef]

Whatever his height and weight he's getting noticed at an extreme position of need for us. Consider me a fan with or without a bet he'll be fun to watch this year. Nice to see a rookie stepup and compete for a job like it means something to him.

[Dedhed]

Given Boss's penchant for missing games, and the unknowns at MLB, having Woodyard step up and shine when the lights come on is a huge positive. I rarely put much stock in size or measurables, because when it comes down to it they don't matter if the guy can play football. This kid looks like he can play football, and the Broncos may need him to.

[BowlenBall]

Wow... 153 posts and 2700 page views for a thread about a rookie free agent linebacker. Must be the pre-season....

"Good Night, Wesley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely cut you in the morning."
- The Dread Pirate Shanahan

[BowlenBall]

Wow... 153 posts and 2700 page views for a thread about a rookie free agent linebacker. Must be the pre-season....

"Good Night, Wesley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely cut you in the morning."
- The Dread Pirate Shanahan

Having said that (is it narcissistic to quote oneself?), here's a scouting profile from Gil Brandt on another SEC linebacker in the 2006 draft:

5. DeMeco Ryans, Alabama (6-11/4, 236; 4.68)
He had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran two 40s in 4.65 and 4.72 seconds. He also ran the short shuttle in 4.17 and the three-cone drill in 7.19. In addition, he had a 39-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot-9 broad jump and 23 bench presses. In high school, he played linebacker and made the academic all-state team. At Alabama, he was a three-time member of the SEC all-academic team. He played as a true freshman with one start, then started 36 of 37 games over the next three seasons. He set a school record with 25 tackles against Arkansas in 2003. He's a very instinctive player. He has good range and makes plays all over the field (307 career tackles). He's an outstanding competitor with a great passion for the game. He has great character and works hard to be the best. He's a good, but not great, athlete who's not real big. But he's very smarter and should be a solid pro.

Sounds eerily similar, doesn't it?

[socalorado]

Wow... 153 posts and 2700 page views for a thread about a rookie free agent linebacker. Must be the pre-season....

"Good Night, Wesley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely cut you in the morning."
- The Dread Pirate Shanahan

"3 years he said this, every night. ""Good Night, Wesley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely cut you in the morning."
"It was a fine time for me - I was learning to read defenses, tackle, anything anyone would teach me. The dread pirate Shanny and I eventually became friends. And then it happened.
ExPatFan: What? Go on.
Wesley: Well, Shanny had grown so rich, he wanted to retire. He took me to his mansion and told me his secret. 'I am not the Dread Pirate Shanny,' he said. 'My name is Kubiak. I inherited this ship from the previous Dread Pirate Shanny, just as you will inherit it from me."

[Irish Stout]

Anyone here how Woodyard saved all the children from the burning orphanage while battling mutant flying laser wielding sharks?

Somebody please explain physics to the kid, I'm sure he'll solve cold fusion after that.

[wolf754life]

find your way back!

[PRBronco]

Anyone here how Woodyard saved all the children from the burning orphanage while battling mutant flying laser wielding sharks?

Somebody please explain physics to the kid, I'm sure he'll solve cold fusion after that.

Yes but the guy who usually saves the orphans from the sharks is an inch or two taller and 20 pounds heavier, erego, Wesley should not be doing it.

I've been trying to find a linebacker who's had success with size similar to Woodyard's, and I think our best bet is to look at the Colts, guys like Cato June and Freddy Keiaho have been effective in their scheme, and both are around 220 lbs, but both play will, as far as I know.

[socalorado]

Yes but the guy who usually saves the orphans from the sharks is an inch or two taller and 20 pounds heavier, erego, Wesley should not be doing it.

I've been trying to find a linebacker who's had success with size similar to Woodyard's, and I think our best bet is to look at the Colts, guys like Cato June and Freddy Keiaho have been effective in their scheme, and both are around 220 lbs, but both play will, as far as I know.

I dont think he is only able to play LB. The fact that he has given hope to alot of posters for his stellar play so far is a great thing, but i dont even think he will play LB eventually.
I see him as did alot of analysts when he came out, as a SS.
I dont doubt that Shanny will eventually play him there too.

[PRBronco]

I dont think he is only able to play LB. The fact that he has given hope to alot of posters for his stellar play so far is a great thing, but i dont even think he will play LB eventually.
I see him as did alot of analysts when he came out, as a SS.
I dont doubt that Shanny will eventually play him there too.

That'd be tight, and it was what I was hoping for when we drafted him, but I figured shanny would have tried it by now if that's what he was thinking :-/

[socalorado]

That'd be tight, and it was what I was hoping for when we drafted him, but I figured shanny would have tried it by now if that's what he was thinking :-/

Dude, its EARLY!
Shanny has PLENTY of time to get WW III time at SS.
Hes just experimenting with these guys right now.
WW III could lose 15 lbs in a week and be at SS playing weight.
Give it time, man.

[Irish Stout]

I may have missed it, but did Oskie or Kaylore note how Woodyard looked at practice yesterday?

[Kaylore]

Wow... 153 posts and 2700 page views for a thread about a rookie free agent linebacker. Must be the pre-season....

"Good Night, Wesley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely cut you in the morning."
- The Dread Pirate Shanahan
I can see the Chargers now.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f210/miss1212/inconceivable.jpg
"He sacked Rivers?!? Inconceivable!"

[BowlenBall]

I can see the Chargers now.
http://sportsreport.freedomblogging.com/files/2007/12/rivers1214.jpg
"He sacked me?!? Inconceivable!"

Fixed it for you.

[Irish Stout]

This from the Broncos blog from camp today:

- Wesley Woodyard wasn’t fooled by a reverse, and when the running back flipped the ball to Isaiah Stanback running the other way, Woodyard was ready for a big stop in the backfield.

I wonder if he's solved the credit crisis yet?

[BowlenBall]

- Wesley Woodyard wasn’t fooled by a reverse, and when the running back flipped the ball to Isaiah Stanback running the other way, Woodyard was ready for a big stop in the backfield.


"Good Night, Wesley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely cut you in the morning."

[Dedhed]

Dude, its EARLY!
Shanny has PLENTY of time to get WW III time at SS.
Hes just experimenting with these guys right now.
WW III could lose 15 lbs in a week and be at SS playing weight.
Give it time, man.
Why on earth would you want to take Woodyard from the position where he played in college, and where the Broncos are weak, and where he's showing great instict, and move him to a new position where the Broncos have plenty of young talent in front of him?

[socalorado]

Why on earth would you want to take Woodyard from the position where he played in college, and where the Broncos are weak, and where he's showing great instict, and move him to a new position where the Broncos have plenty of young talent in front of him?

Woodyard shows many of the same abilities in coverage as Tampa Bay linebackers Derrick Brooks and Cato June, two longtime Cover-2 defenders. Woodyard would have to get with a Cover-2 team to realistically have a shot at making an impact in the NFL. The zone-oriented scheme perfectly suits Woodyard’s abilities, and he would look good in a Bucs uniform next fall learning from masters Brooks and June. Woodyard is actually similar to former Oregon safety Sabby Piscitelli, who was a Bucs 2006 draft-pick. The Bucs still have Piscitelli at safety, but the general consensus before the draft was that Sabby would have to move to linebacker in the NFL and play for a Cover-2 team, even though he had no prior linebacker experience. With his size limitations and coverage abilities, Woodyard seems likely to go to a Cover-2 team such as Tampa, Indy or Chicago.

While his stat totals look pretty, Woodyard is neither a blow-up tackler nor solid wrap-up tackler. He has a tendency to lunge at ball carriers and drag them down. He is involved in his share of plays, obviously, but can get washed out of plays or eliminated completely by much larger blockers. Large wide receivers and tight ends give him trouble as well, with Louisville’s WR Mario Urrutia coming to mind.

Few linebackers Woodyard’s size succeed in the NFL. The chances of Woodyard having a long career are slim to none. He needs to add mass and strength without compromising his speed, which is nothing spectacular to begin with. There is a long list of college linebackers who were outstanding, but just don’t meet the physical criteria of what it takes to be NFL linebackers. Come off-season workouts, many teams will see that too. He should be drafted, but it likely he will be a Day-2 pick.
He is a player listed at linebacker who would benefit greatly to a position change to strong safety for his best long term success at the next level.

read
http://www.gridironevaluations.com/tabid/62/wesley-woodyard/1602/Default.aspx

[Drek]

read
http://www.gridironevaluations.com/tabid/62/wesley-woodyard/1602/Default.aspx

You keep feeding off these old scouting report websites when by all accounts he's added 10-15 pounds and is looking like a pretty solid LB.

My question for you is this: Do you believe the scouting reports that say he doesn't have a future in the NFL as anything more than an 8th man in the box safety/special teamer? If so then what the hell do you care where we play him, he'd never make the roster with that mediocre skill set.

If you think he can be more than that then please explain how a guy who has all the perfect skills for a cover 2 LB, on a cover 2 team, with weaknesses in our starting LBs and a lack of young LB depth, should be moved to safety. I eagerly await your response.

[socalorado]

You keep feeding off these old scouting report websites when by all accounts he's added 10-15 pounds and is looking like a pretty solid LB.

My question for you is this: Do you believe the scouting reports that say he doesn't have a future in the NFL as anything more than an 8th man in the box safety/special teamer? If so then what the hell do you care where we play him, he'd never make the roster with that mediocre skill set.

If you think he can be more than that then please explain how a guy who has all the perfect skills for a cover 2 LB, on a cover 2 team, with weaknesses in our starting LBs and a lack of young LB depth, should be moved to safety. I eagerly await your response.

I think he will make the roster with his skill set. I just dont think he will work out as a LB because he wont be able to keep the weight on, which is not just my opinion, but all scouts and NFL coaching staffs opinion of the guy.

I am all for him making it as a LB if he can. But his true size and speed would best fit as a SS, which by the way is NOT a position of depth for DEN.
Also, i dont think he needs to be moved to SS right away, but i would like to see him play there. If the coaching staff wants to keep him at LB, great. i am all for it. But he more than likely isnt big enough to play there and will get washed out of plays due to his lack of size. hopefully he proves me wrong.

Also, you seem really emotionally charged over this subject and might consider decaffeinated products.

[2KBack]

I think he will make the roster with his skill set. I just dont think he will work out as a LB because he wont be able to keep the weight on, which is not just my opinion, but all scouts and NFL coaching staffs opinion of the guy.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is one coaching staff that doesn't have that opinion yet

[TheReverend]

People are really worked up over this guy from 1 pre-season game's actions and his college career, huh?

What he did at Houston was very encouraging and everyone should be extremely happy for him, but let's also face a little reality, jumping from college to the pros and playing successfully against regular season complex offenses is NOT an easy task.

Anytime you throw a rookie into that situation you can COUNT on blown reads and assignments as the rookie WILL get overwhelmed and fall back on his instincts and athleticism.

No one is taking chances and opportunity away from WWIII. If he continues performing the way he did against Houston he continue earning better opportunities.

Woodyard played his way into optimism, but keeping that optimism semi-grounded is actually being FAIR to this kid. Let him develop so he doesn't disappoint over-inflated expectations and create message board enemies like Hamza somehow has.

[socalorado]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there is one coaching staff that doesn't have that opinion yet

Give it time. Like i said, i am all for him making it as a LB. That would be great, unfortunately its a long season and keeping his weight and size on throughout the season will be tough.
Hopefully he pulls it off.

[Drek]

I think he will make the roster with his skill set. I just dont think he will work out as a LB because he wont be able to keep the weight on, which is not just my opinion, but all scouts and NFL coaching staffs opinion of the guy.

I am all for him making it as a LB if he can. But his true size and speed would best fit as a SS, which by the way is NOT a position of depth for DEN.
Also, i dont think he needs to be moved to SS right away, but i would like to see him play there. If the coaching staff wants to keep him at LB, great. i am all for it. But he more than likely isnt big enough to play there and will get washed out of plays due to his lack of size. hopefully he proves me wrong.

Also, you seem really emotionally charged over this subject and might consider decaffeinated products.

I'm not worked up on this at all, the odds are still much more slanted towards him washing out than ever being a legit contributor on a good team.

But when you make a statement that "all scouts and NFL coaching staffs opinion of the guy." is that he can't cut it at LB, when even at his college weight he's the same size as many WLBs across the league, and that you champion online scouting reports that say he's best served as only a situational safety and somehow that is more valuable than him potentially actually playing LB, well, then I got to call bull**** on you. Because that is what it is.

At the combine a lot of different coaches were checking him out as a linebacker. There is a reason he was listed and ran all his drills as a LB, and it wasn't because most coaching staffs around the league saw him as a future safety. In fact, I'd say the consensus among those who know was that his coverage skills weren't good enough for safety, and that his only chance to play in the NFL was adding weight and staying at LB.

Also, for a 6'1" guy it isn't that hard to add 10-15 pounds of permanent weight. He's not that compactly built, with a legitimate training program he could easily put on the couple extra pounds that he'd need for greater linebacker versatility. But again, even at his collegiate weight he's the same size as many WLBs in the league.

You're basing your opinion off pre-draft scouting reports from random websites. I'm basing my statements off what the Broncos are currently doing, how the NFL chose to work him out at the combine, and what he is doing on the field currently. Who do you think has their opinions based more on fact and less on emotion of the two here?

[socalorado]

I'm not worked up on this at all, the odds are still much more slanted towards him washing out than ever being a legit contributor on a good team.

But when you make a statement that "all scouts and NFL coaching staffs opinion of the guy." is that he can't cut it at LB, when even at his college weight he's the same size as many WLBs across the league, and that you champion online scouting reports that say he's best served as only a situational safety and somehow that is more valuable than him potentially actually playing LB, well, then I got to call bull**** on you. Because that is what it is.

At the combine a lot of different coaches were checking him out as a linebacker. There is a reason he was listed and ran all his drills as a LB, and it wasn't because most coaching staffs around the league saw him as a future safety. In fact, I'd say the consensus among those who know was that his coverage skills weren't good enough for safety, and that his only chance to play in the NFL was adding weight and staying at LB.

Also, for a 6'1" guy it isn't that hard to add 10-15 pounds of permanent weight. He's not that compactly built, with a legitimate training program he could easily put on the couple extra pounds that he'd need for greater linebacker versatility. But again, even at his collegiate weight he's the same size as many WLBs in the league.

You're basing your opinion off pre-draft scouting reports from random websites. I'm basing my statements off what the Broncos are currently doing, how the NFL chose to work him out at the combine, and what he is doing on the field currently. Who do you think has their opinions based more on fact and less on emotion of the two here?

You seem to be clearly emotionally charged and frustrated with this discussion. Sorry, man.
I am simply explaining my opinion using yes, draft experts opinions and websites. Whats wrong with that? Its still waaaay to early to go off of 1 single 2nd half of a game and some training camp reports. Woodyard wasnt even mentioned in the majority of the TC reports up until after the HOU game. I wouldnt want anyone to champion a tiny amount of TC reports and a preseason game on one rookie, but if that how you feel i totally understand.
And again he is projected to play SS at the NFL level.
Also, most coaching staffs saw Woodyard as a SS and not a LB at the NFL level. OR at the very least a tweener type player.
Which is obviously why he wasnt even drafted.
I dont think there was a real controvery at the combine as to which group he should stand with.
He was/is considered a tweener player. Nothing wrong with that. And theres nothing wrong with him playing exceptionally well against HOU in the 3rd and 4th quarter of a preseason game. I for one was cheering for him.
He also has stated when asked if he would move to SS, that he played their at Kentucky and would not have a problem playing there. I remember him saying that he does however like playing LB.
Hopefully you can understand that this is simply a site of opinions from fans and that using experts and drafts sites is a common occurance on these types of sites.
Apparently the guys who write for this site feel the same way. Or according to you, they are just full of bull$h!t.
http://www.orangemane.com/
Of note is Wesley Woodyard, the leading tackler in the SEC. Wesley studies hours of game film and could project as a strong safety in the NFL.
A simple example
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/wesley-woodyard?id=2354
Overview
The leading tackler in the SEC over the past two years, Woodyard is a bit of a 'tweener for the next level. He plays an aggressive brand of football and has proven himself to be a reliable open-field tackler. However, he lacks the size and strength teams prefer at linebacker, really struggling with holding up at the point of attack. Woodyard's rare straight-line speed and fine instincts make him a potential fit as an in-the-box strong safety.

Hopefully Wesley proves to be a great player no matter what position he plays, and we can all be satisified in the fact that hes a Bronco.

[Irish Stout]

Tied for second in tackles against Dallas last night.

[watermock]

4.51 but stiff...Barrett ran 4.35

[SoCalBronco]

The funniest moment from last night's game was when someone in the game day thread, justifiably disgusted with Ramsey's performance, was calling for Shanny to put WW3 in at QB.

[Drek]

The funniest moment from last night's game was when someone in the game day thread, justifiably disgusted with Ramsey's performance, was calling for Shanny to put WW3 in at QB.

I'm a big proponent of Lorne Sam being our #2 QB, running the option. :)

[lex]

I just saw Woodyard make an incredibly athletic play to deflect a Dallas pass down close to the goal line. Did anyone else see that? That was pretty incredible. The more I see this guy, the more I like him.

[bap454]

For all you naysayers.... Woodyard put up fantastic back to back games.

THE MOVING WOODYARD TO SAFETY dreams should be put to sleep now, along with every moron that believes this.

On the very first special teams play he absolutely destroys one of the cowboy players (# 34 i believe). The guy cant even get back to his feet, his legs are jello. Finally after falling on his face several times the staff helps him off..lmao. Second special team play he lays out a LINEMEN on a block.

Still dont believe... just watch the last 5 min. of the game. Compare Woodyard against Larsen. (Caution .... all you Larsen fanboys might want to skip to the next post.) Larsen is a joke. He is slow, continously out of position, and was weak at the point of attack. Woodyard was playing Strong side while Larsen was the MLB. Over and Over Woody would blow past Larsen and hustle across the field to make the play.

[lex]

For all you naysayers.... Woodyard put up fantastic back to back games.

THE MOVING WOODYARD TO SAFETY dreams should be put to sleep now, along with every moron that believes this.

On the very first special teams play he absolutely destroys one of the cowboy players (# 34 i believe). The guy cant even get back to his feet, his legs are jello. Finally after falling on his face several times the staff helps him off..lmao. Second special team play he lays out a LINEMEN on a block.

Still dont believe... just watch the last 5 min. of the game. Compare Woodyard against Larsen. (Caution .... all you Larsen fanboys might want to skip to the next post.) Larsen is a joke. He is slow, continously out of position, and was weak at the point of attack. Woodyard was playing Strong side while Larsen was the MLB. Over and Over Woody would blow past Larsen and hustle across the field to make the play.


Larsen is a Mike and Woodyard is not. I dont see what Larsen has to do with Woodyard. I agree with you about Woodyard although, it wouldnt have been all bad for him to play S but I can also live with him at OLB if this is what he's going to do.

[bap454]

Larsen is a Mike and Woodyard is not. I dont see what Larsen has to do with Woodyard. I agree with you about Woodyard although, it wouldnt have been all bad for him to play S but I can also live with him at OLB if this is what he's going to do.

Your right they are diffrent positions... I have just hit my limit on all the "Larsen should start bs floating around. ;)

[cmhargrove]

Even as a LB (which I think he should be), imagime if we used Wesley against the superstar TE's like we did with Sam Brandon.

He is a LB, that can cover like a safety - that seems like an asset. Woodyard seems like he could be our best coverage LB against Gates, Gonzo, Watson, etc.

Just another thought on how he could be valuable for the team.