Are you a terrorist?

[Dudeskey]

Check out this flyer...
Front:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fbi01.jpg
Back:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fbi02.jpg

[Spider]

I didnt see raider fan on there

[Dudeskey]

I didnt see raider fan on there

No, maybe they're classified as a hate group...

[DenverBrit]

Hate Groups: 'Christian identity'?

I had not heard of them before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Are you a terrorist?Probably not but according to that flyer, LABF, gaffney and baja are toast.



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[DenverBrit]

Probably not but according to that flyer, LABF, gaffney and baja are toast.

:spit:

[alkemical]

according to that brochure, i am...

(Dudesky - look for my paranoia threads, and have fun :) )

[Rohirrim]

I didn't know you were considered a terrorist if you "Make numerous references to the U.S. Constitution." Guess my number is up.

[alkemical]

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[Meck77]

I was labeled a terrorist for standing up for private property rights at the Colorado capital last session. After testifying in front of the Transportation Council I was approached and was told I better be careful or could be charged as a home grown terrorist. I guess you are supposed to stay quite when the government attempts to steal your land from you. Isn't going to happen. In fact the heat is on them now and I suspect some will end up in jail in due time.

[alkemical]

Dissent In America To Be Relabeled 'homegrown Terrorism' (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63822)


H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=62373)


The State controls the language as to "what" a terrorist "is", and "does".

So by controlling language via media and educational systems, it coherces people into accepting what was called doublethink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink) (I use doublethink as a reference due to the accessibility of the book and it's illustration of how a technique like that can be used for social engineering.) - So while we have people calling for war on merits of freedom - and giving up freedoms in the name of freedom - they don't understand how contradictory they are (the beliefs they support vs. the actions happening).

So what The State is doing - is creating a scenario where everyone watches everyone. It creates paranoia - which is manipulated by fear instituted by The State (code yellow, code orange, your neighbor who cites the constitution, etc) - can be sighted as a terrorist - just due to ideas. Ideas of course are the most dangerous thing to The State which wants control. It has to control the minds of it's citizenry/subjects in order to maintain control.

[snowspot66]

I was labeled a terrorist for standing up for private property rights at the Colorado capital last session. After testifying in front of the Transportation Council I was approached and was told I better be careful or could be charged as a home grown terrorist. I guess you are supposed to stay quite when the government attempts to steal your land from you. Isn't going to happen. In fact the heat is on them now and I suspect some will end up in jail in due time.

If I were you I would carry a recording device in your pocket wherever you go. Catch something like that on tape and they are ****ed right up the ass.

[Rohirrim]

Don't taze me, bro! ;D

[baja]

Dissent In America To Be Relabeled 'homegrown Terrorism' (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63822)


H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=62373)


The State controls the language as to "what" a terrorist "is", and "does".

So by controlling language via media and educational systems, it coherces people into accepting what was called doublethink (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink) (I use doublethink as a reference due to the accessibility of the book and it's illustration of how a technique like that can be used for social engineering.) - So while we have people calling for war on merits of freedom - and giving up freedoms in the name of freedom - they don't understand how contradictory they are (the beliefs they support vs. the actions happening).

So what The State is doing - is creating a scenario where everyone watches everyone. It creates paranoia - which is manipulated by fear instituted by The State (code yellow, code orange, your neighbor who cites the constitution, etc) - can be sighted as a terrorist - just due to ideas. Ideas of course are the most dangerous thing to The State which wants control. It has to control the minds of it's citizenry/subjects in order to maintain control.

George W. Bush (SOTU 2004) "Either you are with US or you are against US."


Trouble is they never clarified just who the US consists of.


Bet you thought it included you all didn't you. Well it doesn't!!!

[alkemical]

Exactly baja

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://youthradioflows.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/harold-kumar-2-poster.jpg

[alkemical]

http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/173027

Two Pembroke teenagers have been charged in connection with a series of playing cards that were defaced with threatening writing and left at stores in Christiansburg and Pearisburg -- a gesture police said the teens admitted had been inspired by this summer's Batman movie, "The Dark Knight."

Justin Colby Dirico and Bryan Eugene Stafford, both 18, admitted to leaving cards that bore handwritten messages inside the Pearisburg Wal-Mart, according to police Chief J.C. Martin.

Martin would not say how they identified the suspects but said the teens admitted Tuesday during police interviews they were responsible for the cards, which they patterned after elements of "The Dark Knight." Both were charged with conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism.

[alkemical]

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-08-12-tsa_N.htm

Fliers without ID placed on TSA list

WASHINGTON — The Transportation Security Administration has collected records on thousands of passengers who went to airport checkpoints without identification, adding them to a database of people who violated security laws or were questioned for suspicious behavior.

The TSA began storing the information in late June, tracking many people who said they had forgotten their driver's license or passport at home. The database has 16,500 records of such people and is open to law enforcement agencies, according to the TSA.

Asked about the program, TSA chief Kip Hawley told USA TODAY in an interview Tuesday that the information helps track potential terrorists who may be "probing the system" by trying to get though checkpoints at various airports.

Later Tuesday, Hawley called the newspaper to say the agency is changing its policy effective today and will stop keeping records of people who don't have ID if a screener can determine their identity. Hawley said he had been considering the change for a month. The names of people who did not have identification will soon be expunged, he said.

Civil liberties advocates have been fearful that the database includes passengers who have done nothing wrong yet may face extra scrutiny at airports or questioning by authorities investigating possible terrorism. "This information comes back to haunt people," said Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union.

The TSA has been expanding an electronic database that started a couple of years ago to keep track of people who violated security regulations, most often by bringing a dangerous item to a checkpoint.

The agency then began adding names of people who were questioned by police but not necessarily charged after an airport screener saw them acting suspiciously. In those cases, the TSA can keep records for 15 years of someone's name, address, Social Security number, nationality, race and physical features, as well as identifying information about a traveling companion, according to a report by the Homeland Security Department privacy office.

Hawley said the database will still be used but it will not contain people's names who forgot their identification. Such a database helps the TSA spot patterns of activity that may indicate terrorist planning and refer people to the FBI for possible questioning. "It's just like if a police officer chats to somebody. It's part of the investigative process," Hawley said.

Travelers without ID were added in June after the TSA barred them from airplanes. The agency wanted to identify all passengers to check them against watch lists. Previously, passengers without ID could board airplanes after facing additional searches.

Hawley said the TSA will stop tracking people without ID because they do not automatically represent a security threat. The TSA will still keep records of people who go to checkpoints without ID and then give a false name to screeners.

[alkemical]

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35561

U.S. May Ease Police Spy Rules
Submitted by Chip on Mon, 2008-08-18 03:56.

* Congress
* Evidence
* General Discussion
* Spying

U.S. May Ease Police Spy Rules
By Spencer S. Hsu and Carrie Johnson | WashingtonPost.com

The Justice Department has proposed a new domestic spying measure that would make it easier for state and local police to collect intelligence about Americans, share the sensitive data with federal agencies and retain it for at least 10 years.

The proposed changes would revise the federal government's rules for police intelligence-gathering for the first time since 1993 and would apply to any of the nation's 18,000 state and local police agencies that receive roughly $1.6 billion each year in federal grants.

Quietly unveiled late last month, the proposal is part of a flurry of domestic intelligence changes issued and planned by the Bush administration in its waning months. They include a recent executive order that guides the reorganization of federal spy agencies and a pending Justice Department overhaul of FBI procedures for gathering intelligence and investigating terrorism cases within U.S. borders.

Taken together, critics in Congress and elsewhere say, the moves are intended to lock in policies for Bush's successor and to enshrine controversial post-Sept. 11 approaches that some say have fed the greatest expansion of executive authority since the Watergate era.
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Supporters say the measures simply codify existing counterterrorism practices and policies that are endorsed by lawmakers and independent experts such as the 9/11 Commission. They say the measures preserve civil liberties and are subject to internal oversight.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto said the administration agrees that it needs to do everything possible to prevent unwarranted encroachments on civil liberties, adding that it succeeds the overwhelming majority of the time.

Bush homeland security adviser Kenneth L. Wainstein said, "This is a continuum that started back on 9/11 to reform law enforcement and the intelligence community to focus on the terrorism threat."

Under the Justice Department proposal for state and local police, published for public comment July 31, law enforcement agencies would be allowed to target groups as well as individuals, and to launch a criminal intelligence investigation based on the suspicion that a target is engaged in terrorism or providing material support to terrorists. They also could share results with a constellation of federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and others in many cases.

Criminal intelligence data starts with sources as basic as public records and the Internet, but also includes law enforcement databases, confidential and undercover sources, and active surveillance.

Jim McMahon, deputy executive director of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, said the proposed changes "catch up with reality" in that those who investigate crimes such as money laundering, drug trafficking and document fraud are best positioned to detect terrorists. He said the rule maintains the key requirement that police demonstrate a "reasonable suspicion" that a target is involved in a crime before collecting intelligence.

"It moves what the rules were from 1993 to the new world we live in, but it maintains civil liberties," McMahon said.

However, Michael German, policy counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the proposed rule may be misunderstood as permitting police to collect intelligence even when no underlying crime is suspected, such as when a person gives money to a charity that independently gives money to a group later designated a terrorist organization.

The rule also would allow criminal intelligence assessments to be shared outside designated channels whenever doing so may avoid danger to life or property -- not only when such danger is "imminent," as is now required, German said.

On the day the police proposal was put forward, the White House announced it had updated Reagan-era operating guidelines for the U.S. intelligence community. The revised Executive Order 12333 established guidelines for overseas spying and called for better sharing of information with local law enforcement. It directed the CIA and other spy agencies to "provide specialized equipment, technical knowledge or assistance of expert personnel" to support state and local authorities.

And last week, Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey said that the Justice Department will release new guidelines within weeks to streamline and unify FBI investigations of criminal law enforcement matters and national security threats. The changes will clarify what tools agents can employ and whose approval they must obtain.

The recent moves continue a steady expansion of the intelligence role of U.S. law enforcement, breaking down a wall erected after congressional hearings in 1976 to rein in such activity.

[alkemical]

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/chertoff_threatens_governor_governor_threatens_che rtoff

Subject: Chertoff threatens governor, governor threatens Chertoff

We knew that the state of Montana was resisting the REAL ID Act, but we just learned some of the details of that resistance. The story is so good we had to share it, in case you hadn't heard . . .

Brian Schweitzer, the governor of Montana, wrote a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. The letter informed Chertoff that Montana would not be complying with the REAL ID Act. Our quote of the day supplies one of the reasons for Governor Schweitzer's rebellion. In response to the letter . . .

Secretary Chertoff called Governor Schweitzer and threatened him. Chertoff told Schweitzer that Montana residents would be banned from airplanes, or subjected to severe, time-consuming inspections at airports.

The Governor countered with his own threat, “How about we both go on 60 Minutes a few days after the DHS starts patting down Montana driver’s license-holders who are trying to get on the planes and both of us can tell our side of the story.”

Chertoff didn't like that suggestion. He said, “I see the problem. We need to get this fixed.”

So far, the "fix" involves granting Montana and all other rebellious states an extension of the deadline for complying with the REAL ID Act.

[alkemical]

http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=lossofcivilliberties


Loss of Civil Liberties Since 9/11

Open-Content investigative project managed by Paul, blackmax

This is the home page for the Loss of Civil Liberties Since 9/11 investigative project, one of several grassroots investigations being hosted on the History Commons website. The data published as part of this investigation has been collected, organized, and published by members of the public who are registered users of this website.

[Dudeskey]

http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/chertoff_threatens_governor_governor_threatens_che rtoff

Subject: Chertoff threatens governor, governor threatens Chertoff

We knew that the state of Montana was resisting the REAL ID Act, but we just learned some of the details of that resistance. The story is so good we had to share it, in case you hadn't heard . . .

Brian Schweitzer, the governor of Montana, wrote a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff. The letter informed Chertoff that Montana would not be complying with the REAL ID Act. Our quote of the day supplies one of the reasons for Governor Schweitzer's rebellion. In response to the letter . . .

Secretary Chertoff called Governor Schweitzer and threatened him. Chertoff told Schweitzer that Montana residents would be banned from airplanes, or subjected to severe, time-consuming inspections at airports.

The Governor countered with his own threat, “How about we both go on 60 Minutes a few days after the DHS starts patting down Montana driver’s license-holders who are trying to get on the planes and both of us can tell our side of the story.”

Chertoff didn't like that suggestion. He said, “I see the problem. We need to get this fixed.”

So far, the "fix" involves granting Montana and all other rebellious states an extension of the deadline for complying with the REAL ID Act.

Finally, a Democrat with some balls to push back on this.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Finally, a Democrat with some balls to push back on this.

Now that guy obvioulsy know the meaning of the phrase "opposition party."

Schweitzer for VP! :thumbs:

[orinjkrush]

ok. let's just DNA/retinal eye scan/ fingerprint everyone everywhere. Bet our collective credit scores would go up. Want a credit card, GI?