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BroncoBuff
08-09-2008, 02:34 AM
According to Sporting News, anyway. Somebody might've posted this, but I missed it.

Cowboys land 4 DBs in top 25 ....

Ranking the top 25 NFL defensive backs
July 22, 2008
War Room scouts

The best cornerbacks in the NFL often don't get their names called, because quarterbacks are always throwing away from their direction. The best safeties, however, like to get to familiar with as many ballhandlers as possible, often driving right in their direction.

Whether it's in coverage or run support, it's important for the modern NFL defensive back to get physical with the opposition. Here are 25 who deliver for their teams in that way:

1. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos. A high-character team leader who is generally accepted as the best cover corner in the game. Bailey has the skills to hold up to any style of play, and the Broncos are never afraid to single him up on the opponent's best receiver. He is a solid tackler and willing player in run support, and he has the recognition skills to decipher plays quickly and make plays on the ball.

2. Bob Sanders, S, Indianapolis Colts. A fast, aggressive player who plays bigger than his size and has emerged as one of the game's hardest-hitting safeties. Although he is at his best playing down in the box to defend the run, he also is a physical presence for receivers across the middle and can take them out of the game, both mentally and physically. His lack of ideal size and his intensity on the field has led to several injuries, and he has yet to play a full 16-game slate in his career. But his skills and playmaking ability make Sanders--when healthy--the best safety in the game.

3. Troy Polamalu, S, Pittsburgh Steelers. A terrific strong safety who plays with great hustle. He excels in pursuit and never gives up on plays. He has great range and can quickly get to any spot on the field from his pre-snap location. Polamalu's speed makes him a great blitzer, and his physical style makes him a punishing tackler, both as a run defender and across the middle of the field against the pass. He gambles often and sometimes gets caught out of position, and injuries have limited him the past two seasons, but he is still a game-changing player.

4. Nate Clements, CB, San Francisco 49ers. An aggressive corner who is physical and excels in man coverage. He can smother receivers at the line of scrimmage and knock them off routes, and he still has the speed to turn and run with any receiver to make up for mistakes caused by his aggressive style. He has tremendous ball skills, change-of-direction ability and closing speed. Clemens shuts down an entire side of the field in the 49ers' secondary.

5. Antonio Cromartie, CB, San Diego Chargers. Cromartie led the NFL in interceptions (10) and passes defensed (28) while starting only eight games in 2007 and earned Pro Bowl honors as a result. He's a smart, explosive player with the speed to make plays on the ball and then take it to the house from anywhere on the field. We need to see him do it again this year, but based on the raw skills he has already displayed, Cromartie is clearly already among the game's top defensive playmakers.

6. Ed Reed, S, Baltimore Ravens. Reed had a down year in '06 but bounced back with seven interceptions and 20 passes defensed in '07, ranking in the top ten in the NFL in both categories. He has great size and physical tools, and his speed and instincts allow him to cover plenty of ground and make plays on the ball. Reed tends to gamble and get out of position, but he still has the recovery and ball skills to make plays even when you think he can't. A big-time playmaker, he can dominate a game from the deep safety spot.

7. Rashean Mathis, CB, Jacksonville Jaguars. At 6-1, 200 pounds, Mathis is a big, physical corner who is also blessed with great speed and strength. He's an excellent press corner and plays aggressively against the run. Opponents threw away from him last year after he posted a career-high eight interceptions in 2006, but he is one of the NFL's best shutdown corners and is still improving.

8. Chris McAlister, CB, Baltimore Ravens. His size, strength and agility make him a rare talent. He is a physical player who can shut down one side of the field and is comfortable going one-on-one with the league's best receivers. He can also take risks in coverage thanks to the pressure applied by the Ravens' front seven.

9. Antoine Winfield, CB, Minnesota Vikings. Although the Vikes were terrible against the pass last season, it didn't have a whole lot to do with Winfield. Teams tended to throw away from him given his aggressive style of coverage. He's one of the best tackling corners in the game, and is a top run support corner. Winfield is tough with his jam; some receivers never even get into their routes against him. He occasionally gets beat deep, but the rest of his work earns him a spot high on this list.

10. DeAngelo Hall, CB, Raiders. Hall's athleticism is what jumps out when you watch him play. He displays great speed, quickness, change-of-direction skills and leaping ability. He also goes after the ball aggressively. He's not a top corner technique-wise, but he has the speed to turn and run with anyone in the NFL. His confidence and swagger will instantly make the Raiders' defense better, and the change of scenery may be what Hall needs to put a tough couple years with the Falcons behind him and reclaim his spot among the NFL's elite corners.

11. Terence Newman, CB, Cowboys. Newman is an explosive athlete who shows great speed and agility. He can be overaggressive in coverage but has the makeup speed to get back in position. He has learned to play with greater maturity and better technique. He also has become more of a playmaker, with eight interceptions and 144 tackles over the past two seasons. His improved coverage skills are the reason Anthony Henry sees so many balls come his way.

12. Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia Eagles. Unlike the players ahead of him on this list, Samuel doesn't possess elite physical skills, but he is a smart, instinctive player who always puts himself in position to make plays on the ball. He has sufficient range and rarely makes mistakes in coverage. Samuel is also a great open-field tackler and a strong corner in run support. With the pressure the Eagles put on the QB, look for Samuel to get his hands on a lot more passes this season.


13. Brian Dawkins, S, Philadelphia Eagles. Smart and instinctive, Dawkins does it all, even at an advanced age. He tracks the ball well in coverage, has good range and makes plays on the ball. He is an aggressive, physical tackler against the run. He has the speed and savvy to attack the line as a blitzer in Philadelphia's zone-pressure schemes. The addition of Samuel will take some heat off Dawkins' coverage responsibilities in '08.

14. Al Harris, CB, Green Bay Packers. Although mileage is beginning to become a concern, Harris is an experienced DB who benefits from having Charles Woodson on the opposite side. Harris excels in press coverage, is a physical tackler and works well in short areas. He struggles when asked to run with top wideouts for too long, but that weakness is hidden by the Pack's improved pass rush and the overall play of the front seven. This is likely Harris' last season on this list.

15. Dre' Bly, CB, Denver Broncos. Bly is a top cover corner with great speed and coverage skills. Because of Bailey's presence on the opposite side of the defense, quarterbacks are more likely to attack Bly, which gives him good chances to make plays on the ball. Bly has top-end speed and the ability to turn and run with receivers. He can also close quickly on the ball and the receiver. He is an ideal man-to-man cover corner and shows a great set of hands when making plays on the ball.

16. Charles Woodson, CB, Green Bay Packers. Another aging corner who possesses an outstanding combination of size, speed and athleticism. He is physical at the line of scrimmage, has the height to compete for balls in the air, and is playing with an improved attitude in Green Bay. Woodson and Harris give the Pack one of the league's best corner duos.

17. Marcus Trufant, CB, Seattle Seahawks. Trufant had a great season in '07. He's a big corner who can shut down top receivers with his ability to cover deep and close quickly on the ball on shorter routes. He has good hands and is a dangerous runner after the catch. He has improved every year and continues to work his way toward being an elite corner. Once again, he will helped by the Seahawks' prolific pass rush.

18. Leigh Bodden, CB, Detroit Lions. Bodden has the coverage skills and physical tools (6-1, 195 pounds) to be a top corner. He began to tap into that potential in '07, when he ranked in the top five in the NFL in interceptions and passes defensed. Bodden can be beat deep, but he counters with a strong jam at the line and good instincts that always seem to put him in position to make plays on the ball. A good run defender and a physical tackler, Bodden will excel in the Lions' cover-2 scheme.

19. Roy Williams, S, Dallas Cowboys. Williams is a big, physical safety who is at his best playing close to the line of scrimmage. Although he's a big-time tackler and playmaker who can separate ballcarriers from the ball, he has always struggled in coverage, and teams are learning to exploit that weakness. Dallas has the depth in the secondary to use multiple personnel groupings to try to hide Williams' deficiencies. But the fact remains, he has become a nearly one-dimensional player, which is why he is so low on this list.

20. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland Raiders. Most fans have already heard about how fast Asomugha is, but few people realize just how big he is until they see him in person. He has a 6-2, 210 frame. As a result, he is not super-athletic and is best in bump-and-run coverage. He still is improving his route recognition skills and technique, but nine interceptions over the past two seasons point toward his becoming a top cover man.

21. Dunta Robinson, CB, Houston Texans. Robinson is a matchup corner who can line up across from any receiver in the NFL and run with him. He has great athleticism and is a natural playmaker, but he needs to stay healthy. He will likely still be feeling the effects of ACL and hamstring injuries suffered last year come Week 1, but even with a shortened season he can have an impact.

22. Donte Whitner, S, Buffalo Bills. Whitner is an instinctive playmaker who can make plays in traffic or in the open field. This rising young player will be helped even more in '08 with the return of Ko Simpson, another young safety, and the addition of rookie cover corner Leodis McKelvin.

23. Kerry Rhodes, S, New York Jets. A consistent playmaker, Rhodes has already been to a Pro Bowl. He has great range in the secondary and does a good job tracking balls in zone coverage -- he has nine interceptions over the past two seasons. Rhodes has also become an effective blitzer and is comfortable playing near the line of scrimmage.

24. Adam Jones, CB, Dallas Cowboys. Jones is both physical and athletic, and he plays bigger than his size. He can run with anyone and make big plays on the ball, and he is a threat to score from anywhere on the field. The issue, of course, is that his body of NFL work is limited, as is his ability to make good decisions off the field. If his head is on straight, Jones has the skills to be one of the NFL's very best.

25. Ken Hamlin, S, Cowboys. Hamlin ranked in the top 10 in the league in passes defensed last season, and was fourth among safeties with five interceptions. He has great range and can track down a lot of balls while playing in center field. Hamlin is at his best jumping routes in zone coverage, but he can also match up with both tight ends and slot wide receivers. He provides a strong complement to Roy Williams and is the player who may best be able to keep Williams on the field.

Maybe next year?

The top breakout candidates to crack the top 25 for '09:

Darrelle Revis, CB, New York Jets, and O.J. Atogwe, S, St. Louis Rams. The future is bright for the Jets at corner. Revis started every game as a rookie last season and showed some playmaking flair with three interceptions and a forced fumble. He displays good technique, size, instincts and toughness and will continue to excel in the Jets' zone coverage schemes.

Atogwe is another young player with smarts and good instincts. He plays deep coverage in the Rams' scheme and has benefitted from the pressure fronts they play. He has improved greatly on his read-and-react skills and began showing a great break on the ball last season. He ranked second in the NFL with eight interceptions and tied for eighth in the league with 20 passes defensed. Experience will just make him better.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=437105

BroncoMan4ever
08-09-2008, 03:04 AM
where the **** is Jack mother****ing Williams????

FireFly
08-09-2008, 03:08 AM
Bob Sanders is good. There's no denying that, I just don't know that he's the second best defensive back in all of football.

And I really don't think that Nnamdi Asomugha should be lower than Hall.

GloomyWeather
08-09-2008, 04:19 AM
War Room Scouts seems a bit off here. While I would love for Dre Bly to be better than Roy Williams (S) and Nnamdi Asomugha (CB), I know he isn't. He gambles a bit too much and is a bit inconsistent when it comes to tackling/run support/deep coverage... especially for a #2. The #2 CB should keep the opposition in front of him, even if it requires a bit of help from the FS. Discipline and playing within one's limits. Let Champ jump routes and make plays.

That said, I have few complaints with Bly opposite of Bailey. Especially if Denver's front 4 is able to get some pressure this season. A player like Bly thinks like a #1 and preys on rushed and broken routes. Pressure would undoubtedly allow Bly to notch up a few more takeaways than people like me might expect this season. 3rd and long has solidified many a lucrative contract in this league (i.e. Asante Samuel, Deltha O'Neal, etc.).

Again, I am not complaining about Bly as a #2. However, given the money he is making, it would be interesting to see how Foxworth would do with a youngster like JMFW behind him given the spend restrictions Denver put in place this offseason.

Obviously, the Broncos have bigger concerns than CB, but Shanahan has allocated many picks and FA dollars in recent seasons to shore up this position. Depending on Bly's performance this season, this might be a good place to trim cap space for '09.

Atlas
08-09-2008, 04:23 AM
War Room Scouts seems a bit off here. While I would love for Dre Bly to be better than Roy Williams (S) and Nnamdi Asomugha (CB), I know he isn't. He gambles a bit too much and is a bit inconsistent when it comes to tackling/run support/deep coverage... especially for a #2. The #2 CB should keep the opposition in front of him, even if it requires a bit of help from the FS. Discipline and playing within one's limits. Let Champ jump routes and make plays.

That said, I have few complaints with Bly opposite of Bailey. Especially if Denver's front 4 is able to get some pressure this season. A player like Bly thinks like a #1 and preys on rushed and broken routes. Pressure would undoubtedly allow Bly to notch up a few more takeaways than people like me might expect this season. 3rd and long has solidified many a lucrative contract in this league (i.e. Asante Samuel, Deltha O'Neal, etc.).

Again, I am not complaining about Bly as a #2. However, given the money he is making, it would be interesting to see how Foxworth would do with a youngster like JMFW behind him given the spend restrictions Denver put in place this offseason.

Obviously, the Broncos have bigger concerns than CB, but Shanahan has allocated many picks and FA dollars in recent seasons to shore up this position. Depending on Bly's performance this season, this might be a good place to trim cap space for '09.


Roy Williams?? He shouldn't even be on the list. He is terrible in coverage and I know the local media has been on him for the plays he gives up.

Bly will look better this year. Denver did not get any pressure on the QB last year outside of Doom, and that really makes your CBs look worse than they are. Denver will blitz more like they did in 2005 and get a lot more pressure on the QB forcing him into quick throws.

Pat Bowlen
08-09-2008, 11:33 AM
Pretty dumb list. The only thing they got right was the spot at the top.

cabronco
08-09-2008, 11:51 AM
Wait a minute..during last nights game Raiders announcer said they now have the two best corners in the league ! ::)

broncofan2438
08-09-2008, 12:01 PM
Wait a minute..during last nights game Raiders announcer said they now have the two best corners in the league ! ::)

Yea, I heard that and I just started laughing.

Los Broncos
08-09-2008, 12:17 PM
Wait a minute..during last nights game Raiders announcer said they now have the two best corners in the league ! ::)

Heard the same, "Oakland has the two best shut down corners in the league".

Popps
08-09-2008, 01:02 PM
Wow, awfully friendly to Dre Bly in this one.

Champ obviously deserves his spot. Bly the 15th best DB (not just CB, but DB!?) ... interesting, at best.

sixtimeseight
08-09-2008, 01:40 PM
Bob Sanders is good. There's no denying that, I just don't know that he's the second best defensive back in all of football.

Agreed. The best safety in the league is no more valuable than about the 10th best CB in the league by my estimation. It's just not nearly as important of a position.

sixtimeseight
08-09-2008, 01:49 PM
Wow, awfully friendly to Dre Bly in this one.

Champ obviously deserves his spot. Bly the 15th best DB (not just CB, but DB!?) ... interesting, at best.

I'll never understand why so many Broncos' fans underrate Bly so badly. I'm glad the rest of the league and the national media see him for what he truly is, an elite #2 CB who would be #1 on a lot of teams. Maybe he's not top 15 DBs, but he's definitely top 15 CBs.

Popps
08-09-2008, 02:02 PM
I'll never understand why so many Broncos' fans underrate Bly so badly. I'm glad the rest of the league and the national media see him for what he truly is, an elite #2 CB who would be #1 on a lot of teams. Maybe he's not top 15 DBs, but he's definitely top 15 CBs.

Talk to any Lions fan and you'll get your answer. He's a play-maker on one play, gets burned on the next. He takes chances which pay off sometimes. He's a decent cover guy but will almost give up big plays against better WRs.

He's also got a rep for doing what he can to avoid contact.

He's an INT specialist, which is great when it works out. But to put him above some of the guys on that list (like Williams) is just silly.

BroncoBuff
08-09-2008, 02:05 PM
Heard the same, "Oakland has the two best shut down corners in the league".
DeAngelo Hall is so WILDLY overrated ... Alex Smith/Roy Williams overrated (Williams has NO business on that list).

I recall when Mora was coaching the Falcons, and they played the Eagles ... after the game he made a huge deal congratulating Hall for "shutting down T.O." True, TO had no touchdowns in the game, but he went off for like 115 yards. ROFL!

Plus, with the incredible premium on corners, doesn't it seem like the Falcons would've made him a decent offer? As I recall, they kinda dropped out of the bidding pretty quick on the guy, and the suckers in Oakland jumped right in.

sixtimeseight
08-09-2008, 02:09 PM
Talk to any Lions fan and you'll get your answer. He's a play-maker on one play, gets burned on the next. He takes chances which pay off sometimes. He's a decent cover guy but will almost give up big plays against better WRs.

He's also got a rep for doing what he can to avoid contact.

He's an INT specialist, which is great when it works out. But to put him above some of the guys on that list (like Williams) is just silly.

I don't need to talk to a Lions' fan to form my opinion on him. I watched him play for an entire season. While he gets burned from time to time, so does every corner, even the almighty Champ Bailey. The mark of a good corner is how well you do on those other 98% of the plays, the one's where it isn't obvious that you got burnt.

PaintballCLE
08-09-2008, 02:09 PM
If they have Bodden at 17, Then there is no way this is accurate.

Popps
08-09-2008, 02:15 PM
I don't need to talk to a Lions' fan to form my opinion on him.

If you didn't watch him play for the last few years in Detroit, many people did.

Point being, there's a history there to draw on to help you understand what kind of player he is. If you choose to ignore it, that's your business.

I While he gets burned from time to time, so does every corner, even the almighty Champ Bailey.

There's no point in comparing him to Bailey. He's not in the same universe.

Saying that "Champ Bailey gets burned, too" is like me saying because I miss a 15 foot jump-shot from time to time, I must be as good as Michael Jordan because he used to miss some, too.

Bly is fine. He's a hit or miss player. More hit than miss, usually. But, he's nowhere near Bailey's league and I think this poll is very kind to him.

BroncoBuff
08-09-2008, 02:17 PM
I don't need to talk to a Lions' fan to form my opinion on him. I watched him play for an entire season. While he gets burned from time to time, so does every corner, even the almighty Champ Bailey. The mark of a good corner is how well you do on those other 98% of the plays, the one's where it isn't obvious that you got burnt.
We sure did pay him alotta money ... do Popps and the rest think Shanny f'd up?

I will say he was better in run support that I thought he would be... he's a bit of a weenie with contact, but he sticks his shoulder in there every time.

I wanna see how he covers when we don't have the worst DTs in the league.

sixtimeseight
08-09-2008, 02:18 PM
If you didn't watch him play for the last few years in Detroit, many people did.

Point being, there's a history there to draw on to help you understand what kind of player he is. If you choose to ignore it, that's your business.




That's nice. The point is that I don't care what kind of player he was in Detroit. That was a completely different system and he had different responsibilities, different coaches and he was generally matched up against #1 receivers. I am more concerned with his play as a Denver Bronco, which has been nothing less than stellar.

Killericon
08-09-2008, 02:20 PM
DeAngelo Hall is so WILDLY overrated ... Alex Smith/Roy Williams overrated (Williams has NO business on that list).

I recall when Mora was coaching the Falcons, and they played the Eagles ... after the game he made a huge deal congratulating Hall for "shutting down T.O." True, TO had no touchdowns in the game, but he went off for like 115 yards. ROFL!

Plus, with the incredible premium on corners, doesn't it seem like the Falcons would've made him a decent offer? As I recall, they kinda dropped out of the bidding pretty quick on the guy, and the suckers in Oakland jumped right in.

Ummm...The Falcons traded him to the Raiders.

BroncoBuff
08-09-2008, 02:36 PM
Ummm...The Falcons traded him to the Raiders.
Sorry ... what'd they get? I do recall they let him go pretty cheap.

Inkana7
08-09-2008, 02:53 PM
Agreed. The best safety in the league is no more valuable than about the 10th best CB in the league by my estimation. It's just not nearly as important of a position.

It is in a Cover 2. Especially in the defense that Indy runs.

That One Guy
08-09-2008, 03:12 PM
Sorry ... what'd they get? I do recall they let him go pretty cheap.

I wanna say it was a 2nd and some change? I don't believe he came cheap.

sixtimeseight
08-09-2008, 03:24 PM
http://football.about.com/b/2008/03/20/hall-traded-to-oakland.htm

That took me about 10 seconds using google.

Popps
08-09-2008, 03:39 PM
his play as a Denver Bronco, which has been nothing less than stellar.

Hilarious!

Wow. Okee doke.

I'll just leave it alone after reading that.

sixtimeseight
08-09-2008, 03:46 PM
Cool, please do. I need some sad old man trolling me like I need a hole in the head. But feel free to continue forming your opinions on players based on what fans of their former teams think of them. Really makes you look informed.

BroncoBuff
08-09-2008, 03:49 PM
Cool, please do. I need some sad old man trolling me like I need a hole in the head. But feel free to continue forming your opinions on players based on what fans of their former teams think of them. Really makes you look informed.
Wow, just wow. Trolling? He's a long-time veteran of this board, six. And you call him a "troll?!" .... because he doesn't agree with you that Dre Bly's play was "stellar"?!

That's just sad.

:nono:

ANIMAL24
08-09-2008, 03:56 PM
Ive been watching him since he was a rookie on the rams. the boy is a playmaker. he might not be neon deon but he is a fine number 2. all you weenies who doubt him are spoiled ass people. name five better number 2 in the league

Killericon
08-09-2008, 04:27 PM
Sorry ... what'd they get? I do recall they let him go pretty cheap.

A 2nd and a 5th.

Popps
08-09-2008, 04:34 PM
Wow, just wow. Trolling? He's a long-time veteran of this board, six. And you call him a "troll?!" .... because he doesn't agree with you that Dre Bly's play was "stellar"?!

That's just sad.

:nono:

He's a dope. I wouldn't worry about it. His football smarts are immediately apparent when he makes a statement that Dre Bly's season was nothing less than Stellar last year. I can't imagine how football illiterate you have to be to make that statement.

But, what would an old man like me know. (39)

ROFL!