12:30 pm News Conf. from Ted Thompson Packer G.M.

[HEAV]

No report on what it is about. Speculate trade.

I just hope this circus ends.

[rovolution]

Brett to Tampa would be ideal for me b/c i have tickets to that game.

Would love to tell people i saw a shootout between two great ones (Cutler-Favre)

[Kaylore]

Does anyone else not really give a crap?

[crowebomber]

At this point, both sides look pretty bad. The only way this thing could get messier is if Jake showed up at TB training camp and said he decided to compete for the job.

[TheReverend]

Eastern, central or mountain?

I do care, Khan. I want to watch this buffoon destroy his legacy.

[HEAV]

FOX sports radio just anounced it was eastern. They say they will go live to it when it starts. Nothing yet.

[ludo21]

i want to see where this goes.

[HEAV]

Teddy just postponed the conference until later today...

Seems to be alot of things going on. Getting reports about Simms being sent to the Bears.

[ludo21]

Simms to Bears?

The Bears just desire mediocre QB's dont thay???

[BroncoFanatic]

It's certainly a more interesting story than the garbage overloading the Philadelphia media these days.

Shawn Andrew's myopic self indulgence is making me want to jump off a bridge. I'd rather listen to wall to wall Favre coverage than deal with this :hitself:

[Kaylore]

Eastern, central or mountain?

I do care, Khan. I want to watch this buffoon destroy his legacy.

Do you really think it will? I have my doubts about that. I mean no one remembers Namath as a Ram. No one remembers Unitas as a Charger. The Chiefs are the only people who think of Montana as anything but a Niner. I think in five years they'll look back and just show the same highlights of Favre in the green and yellow, and this whole thing will be a footnote.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/BDX/BDX403/two-pennies_~bxp142553.jpg

[vancejohnson82]

honestly, it wouldnt surprise me to see Favre lead a team like the Bucs deep into the playoffs...the guy is such a competitor...say what you want, but he LOVES to win

[Rabb]

pride is a sonofabitch and he is proving it, just bow out gracefully ffs

[TheReverend]

Do you really think it will? I have my doubts about that. I mean no one remembers Namath as a Ram. No one remembers Unitas as a Charger. The Chiefs are the only people who think of Montana as anything but a Niner. I think in five years they'll look back and just show the same highlights of Favre in the green and yellow, and this whole thing will be a footnote.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/BDX/BDX403/two-pennies_~bxp142553.jpg

A boy can dream. Try living in Wisconsin for 6 years as a Broncos fan, you'd have learned to hate that man with a passion too.

Regardless, best case scenario for me would've been ending up with a team rival, but anywhere will do as long as he plays terribly and ends up being benched for a mediocre/bad QB.

[Orange_Beard]

Tampa would be the idea place, with the rest of the retired people.

[BroncoBuff]

Even if Simms gos, the Bucs still hav WAY too many QBs.

Something is weird about that Gruden ...

[summerdenver]

A boy can dream. Try living in Wisconsin for 6 years as a Broncos fan, you'd have learned to hate that man with a passion too.

Regardless, best case scenario for me would've been ending up with a team rival, but anywhere will do as long as he plays terribly and ends up being benched for a mediocre/bad QB.

I lived in wisconsin for 2.5 years as a Bronco fan and I can say people are still bitter about the SB loss to Broncos. However, I don't hate Brett.

I think he genuinely loves the game and its amazing how he played thru all the injuries (Didn't he play 2004 with a broken thumb?).

Media overblows his image but that's not his fault. All he wanted to do is unretire and Packers have been stringing him along saying that they will neither take him back nor will not trade him. I can understand if they decide to go with Rogers but why not let Favre go? It is only after this PR debacle they are considering a trade. Even now they are reportedly demanding a 1st round pick for from TB.

I cannot imagine Broncos acting like this and say what you want about our poor drafting etc, but broncos are a class organization.

[Dagmar]

Serious question, is there any way the bucs can just retrade him to the Vikings? Or are there rules about that? Because I would laaaaaaaaaaaaaugh...

[Dudeskey]

Does anyone else not really give a crap?

I give a crap that I'm not on the "people who don't give a crap" list...™

[crowebomber]

Serious question, is there any way the bucs can just retrade him to the Vikings? Or are there rules about that? Because I would laaaaaaaaaaaaaugh...

They could, but the Packers probably put that in the trade clause so that if they do, the compensation would be much, much more like a couple first rounders, etc.

[Beantown Bronco]

Media overblows his image but that's not his fault. All he wanted to do is unretire and Packers have been stringing him along saying that they will neither take him back nor will not trade him. I can understand if they decide to go with Rogers but why not let Favre go? It is only after this PR debacle they are considering a trade. Even now they are reportedly demanding a 1st round pick for from TB.

Check out the yahoo article I posted in the Favre thread. You might not lean quite so much to the pro-Favre side.

And they'd be absolutely bat-sh*t crazy to just let him go for nothing. It's just not a remote possibility even. They'll get a good pick for him; you can count on that.

[Rabb]

Serious question, is there any way the bucs can just retrade him to the Vikings? Or are there rules about that? Because I would laaaaaaaaaaaaaugh...

Goodell will stomp on that before any trade happens, I can all but guarantee that he has already spoken to all teams involved and warned them no to play games

[backup qb]

I lived in wisconsin for 2.5 years as a Bronco fan and I can say people are still bitter about the SB loss to Broncos. However, I don't hate Brett.

I think he genuinely loves the game and its amazing how he played thru all the injuries (Didn't he play 2004 with a broken thumb?).

Media overblows his image but that's not his fault. All he wanted to do is unretire and Packers have been stringing him along saying that they will neither take him back nor will not trade him. I can understand if they decide to go with Rogers but why not let Favre go? It is only after this PR debacle they are considering a trade. Even now they are reportedly demanding a 1st round pick for from TB.

I cannot imagine Broncos acting like this and say what you want about our poor drafting etc, but broncos are a class organization.

I tend to agree with your point. I realize that with all the crap being reported that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. However, I cannot believe an organization would treat its' savior this way. I hope he goes to Tampa or wherever and plays well. I find it difficult to side with the Pack on this one(although I did in the beginning). I truly believe they thought they could strongarm him into staying retired.

[tsiguy96]

3 way trade coming.

[Beantown Bronco]

However, I cannot believe an organization would treat its' savior this way. I find it difficult to side with the Pack on this one(although I did in the beginning). I truly believe they thought they could strongarm him into staying retired.

?

HE supposedly cried and cried to come back and compete for the job. The organization granted his wish.

HE said just a few days ago that Green Bay was the only place he wanted to play. Now he says that he can't play for that organization because of things they said weeks and months ago.

HE is the one backing out. They gave in to his every demand short of guaranteeing him the starting role. Now he is the one saying that he can't go through with it.

Please, the guy is a drama queen.

[Man-Goblin]

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[summerdenver]

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HE supposedly cried and cried to come back and compete for the job. The organization granted his wish.


I don't think that's true. It appears from the latest comments of Brett that Packers Mgt have always privately told him that he will not be allowed back, while publicly proclaiming that Brett is not committed. Its hard to find fault with favre refusing to be committed be a backup (for Aaron freaking Rogers??). They only took him back because they had to after Commish reinstated him.

Brett could have easily stayed on the team and forced Packers hand. Packers did not have any choice but to release Brett before the beginning of the season as they would not want to pay him 12 mil from salary cap. Infact, they probably would have cut him before that because they would have been on the hook for salary if Brett had gotten hurt during camp.

He could have easily joined Vikings after that - granted he probably would have only started after the 4th game or so as he would have to learn the system. Brett took the high road and decided to not do that. What are the packers doing in return? They are reportedly trying to get the best deal out of it. What's the big deal in granting the wish of a player who had been the face of the franchise for 16 years and you don't want him on the team now. Packers are behaving as if it would be the end of the world if they only end up getting a 3rd round pick instead of a conditional 1st in compensation for a player who they don't want.

I don't get it - especially when i just saw Broncos let go Lynch so that he can get a better oppurtunity for him.

[Beantown Bronco]

Brett could have easily stayed on the team and forced Packers hand. Packers did not have any choice but to release Brett before the beginning of the season as they would not want to pay him 12 mil from salary cap. Infact, they probably would have cut him before that because they would have been on the hook for salary if Brett had gotten hurt during camp.

None of that is fact. They already counted that money against their cap this year, so they could have easily "eaten" it if they wanted to.

Packers are behaving as if it would be the end of the world if they only end up getting a 3rd round pick instead of a conditional 1st in compensation for a player who they don't want.

Evidence to back this up? I'm more under the impression that they would be ecstatic with a third right now. They may be secretly asking for a first rounder right now, because it's early, but there's no way they are going to hold out for a first round pick and first round pick alone.

Let me clue you in on how negotiations work. You ask for more than you want. The other side counters with something lower than you want and less then they are willing to pay. And then you usually settle on something in the middle.

I don't get it - especially when i just saw Broncos let go Lynch so that he can get a better oppurtunity for him.

Not even in the same remote ballpark. Lynch alone doesn't make anyone a contender. Favre immediately makes two division rivals (one in particular) serious contenders....even favorites for the Super Bowl. Would the Broncos have simply granted Elway his release in 1999 if they knew for a fact that he had ties to the Raiders and desperately wanted to play for them?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Its not so much Farve that's vying for attention, its the sports media in general that see this as the major sports story of the preseason.

Their zealous fervor got you guys interested enough to post about it on a Broncos board, didnt it?

Out of principal, shouldnt all Brett Farve threads be moved to the horses butt?

[Los Broncos]

Cant wait for him to tarnish his legacy, its going to be great.

[lookin' glass]

He has been going to 'retire' for a couple of years now, no? Didn't he muddle around last year and/or the year before through the free agent period and draft tying the Packers hands as it were on personel matters? Seems to me this 'saga' was a couple of chapters long before this year. So he finally 'retired'/booted this year - tears, microphones ect. and...... he's back but not really back. Just kinda back. Mostly back.

[Los Broncos]

He has been going to 'retire' for a couple of years now, no? Didn't he muddle around last year and/or the year before through the free agent period and draft tying the Packers hands as it were on personel matters? Seems to me this 'saga' was a couple of chapters long before this year. So he finally 'retired'/booted this year - tears, microphones ect. and...... he's back but not really back. Just kinda back. Mostly back.

I don't think he has the right mind set right now, how can he?

After all this drama I don't think he is ready for football.

[summerdenver]

Evidence to back this up? I'm more under the impression that they would be ecstatic with a third right now. They may be secretly asking for a first rounder right now, because it's early, but there's no way they are going to hold out for a first round pick and first round pick alone.

Let me clue you in on how negotiations work. You ask for more than you want. The other side counters with something lower than you want and less then they are willing to pay. And then you usually settle on something in the middle.



There were a couple of news reports that packers are trying to encourage a bidding war between jets and bucs. I get it that they will end up with a better pick in that scenario. However, whats the big deal in granting the wish of favre and sending him to TB? It just makes them look sleazy and petty minded,

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/ic/blogs/insider/index.shtml


Not even in the same remote ballpark. Lynch alone doesn't make anyone a contender. Favre immediately makes two division rivals (one in particular) serious contenders....even favorites for the Super Bowl. Would the Broncos have simply granted Elway his release in 1999 if they knew for a fact that he had ties to the Raiders and desperately wanted to play for them?

IMHO, what's the big deal if Brett goes to Min and wins a SB? Btw its not a given, however, lets say Min gets some good breaks and he wins a SB. Why should that have impact on the plans of GB? They are obviously planning to develop Rogers and hope that in the long run he gives them a better chance of winning a SB. Their success purely depends on how Rogers will play. It would have nothing do with whether Brett retires or plays well or flops with other team. Why can't packers let him go where he wants to - when they obviously don't want him?

I know I will be happy if Lynch goes to Chargers or even Oak and wins a SB this year. If we are not going to contend for a couple of years, whats the big deal if he wants one last shot at glory.

If Broncos decided to rebuild in 1999 with another QB, and forced Elway to be either be backup or retire, I would still call them petty. Its purely hypothetical but somehow I have a feeling that Bowlen would have granted Elways wish if he asked for it.

[Beantown Bronco]

IMHO, what's the big deal if Brett goes to Min and wins a SB?.

Walk around Lambeau Field this fall and try to sell that one.

Why can't packers let him go where he wants to - when they obviously don't want him?

1. He's not a FA.
2. We're talking a division rival here.
3. They would get no compensation.
4. The shareholders would vote them out of office in a second.

I know I will be happy if Lynch goes to Chargers or even Oak and wins a SB this year. If we are not going to contend for a couple of years, whats the big deal if he wants one last shot at glory.

Walk around Invesco during a game this season, preferably right after they shut off the beer taps, and start telling everyone you bump into that the Broncos aren't going to contend for a few years, so you hope Oakland or SD win it all because you like their safety. Let me know how that goes for you.

[Tombstone RJ]

?

HE supposedly cried and cried to come back and compete for the job. The organization granted his wish.

HE said just a few days ago that Green Bay was the only place he wanted to play. Now he says that he can't play for that organization because of things they said weeks and months ago.

HE is the one backing out. They gave in to his every demand short of guaranteeing him the starting role. Now he is the one saying that he can't go through with it.

Please, the guy is a drama queen.


While I think the pack are idiots for the way they've handled the situation (offering him $20m NOT to play and not just releasing him) the main idiot is Brett Favre. He's changed his mind so many times, that I don't know how anyone in the NFL can take his word seriously.

IMHO all the HC asked him to do was realize that the job is not his, and that he will have to earn the starting QB position, which means, he'll have to be at every meeting and every practice. It sounds to me like he just wanted the job to be given to him, and with the Pack refused to hand the reigns over to him, he said "this isn't working."

He's expecting the job to be given to him because, he's Brett freak'n Favre. He is not considering anyone else but himself, and to me, that is the antithesis of being a team player.

Well, now he gets to go to another team. I wonder how all the packer faithful who thinks the sun rises and sets with Favre will judge him now. After, it is all about Favre, and it always has been. He says he wants another SB ring, but IMO, he just wants every record in the book, regardless of who he has to step on to get it. Oh, and if he gets another ring, well, that'd be just fine with him too.

[Steve Sewell]

Does anyone else not really give a crap?

I don't care what happens either...I just want to see some football coverage, not coverage of this idiotic drama with Favre, which will continue ad nauseum upon his arrival in Tampa.

[Phantom]

In hindsite ... if he was rushed into a decision back in Feb, he should have said he was returning for another year. Then he could have pulled a Farve and changed his mind again and retired. Either way GB is dealing with his drama and the ever changing QB future, but then he would have gotten another year in GB if his wife said to play again. Which is now the case.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Simms to Bears?

The Bears just desire mediocre QB's dont thay???

i don't know. i like Simms. ever since his performance with internal bleeding i have been a fan of his. Tampa screwed him by bringing in Jeff Garcia, and he is an upgrade over Orton and Grossman.