Marshall misses 2-3 games (M)

[Kaylore]

NFL network.

[BigPlayShay]

Can be reduced to 2 with counseling

No link from Total Access.

[jayman_37]

About what I expected, but it will hurt us. Can our other receivers get open against Oakland? I am worried about that game.

[CHANGSTER]

Damn it, couldn't they wait till after the SD game.

[SoCalBronco]

Well....in light of how often he has made a dumbass of himself, it is hard to say that this is excessive.

Hopefully he takes the counseling sessions so that it is only 2 games and not 3. I suspect that he will be compelled to take it by the team as its our ass on the line re: the effects of that extra missed game, although I suspect he would genuinely want to take it anyway as I think he probably really has gotten the point now and is trying to better himself.

If we can get a split in the first two, we'll be in good shape. It really comes down to that opener vs. Oak. Just win that and all is well.

[Prodigal19]

Sounds reasonable to me.

[DukeWoody]

Ok two games with counseling but we get to pick the games to be missed...deal.

[Kaylore]

Dam, does this mean he'll miss the Oakland game?

Gosh, let's see. Oakland is the first game....and he's going to miss at least two if not three games...so, hmmm. This is hard. Man. First game...and he misses two to three....DANG! It's HARD!

[ludo21]

Not too bad. I really hope this team comes together well and gets a win or 2 without him.

[Los Broncos]

Gosh, let's see. Oakland is the first game....and he's going to miss at least two if not three games...so, hmmm. This is hard. Man. First game...and he misses two to three....DANG! It's HARD!

Whatever man, I was just asking.

[Broncosfreak_56]

Gosh, let's see. Oakland is the first game....and he's going to miss at least two if not three games...so, hmmm. This is hard. Man. First game...and he misses two to three....DANG! It's HARD!

:spit:

[Broncosfreak_56]

Im pissed that its during 2 games that are against division teams.

[Killericon]

Gosh, let's see. Oakland is the first game....and he's going to miss at least two if not three games...so, hmmm. This is hard. Man. First game...and he misses two to three....DANG! It's HARD!

I'm taking a wild stab in the dark, and saying that he's using sarcasm to say that Oakland sucks.

[CHANGSTER]

Hilarious!

[Killericon]

Whatever man, I was just asking.

Or not.

[DukeWoody]

Well what if he appeals?..could an appeal push the suspension into a more favorable time in the schedule?

[Man-Goblin]

Well....in light of how often he has made a dumbass of himself, it is hard to say that this is excessive.

Hopefully he takes the counseling sessions so that it is only 2 games and not 3. I suspect that he will be compelled to take it by the team as its our ass on the line re: the effects of that extra missed game, although I suspect he would genuinely want to take it anyway as I think he probably really has gotten the point now and is trying to better himself.

If we can get a split in the first two, we'll be in good shape. It really comes down to that opener vs. Oak. Just win that and all is well.

It's hard to say that it is excessive unless you disagree with the comissioner's conduct policy altogether. To me, 2-3 games certainly falls in line with the penalties he has been giving out, considering the offenses involved.

That being said, if he goes to counseling (and who wouldn't for several thousand dollars) can he still appeal the thing down to 1 game?

[CHANGSTER]

This thread isn't supposed to be funny, but it is.

[bpc]

Best I was hoping for in the first 2 games was 1-1 anyways.

[BabyTO]

2 games, sounds pretty good. Schefter reported a few weeks ago that they might suspend him for 8 games. 2 games is nothing. He'll be back with a chip on his shoulder.

[CHANGSTER]

2 games, sounds pretty good. Schefter reported a few weeks ago that they might suspend him for 8 games. 2 games is nothing. He'll be back with a chip on his shoulder.

Yeah, thats pretty weird, he usually isn't off on his info like that.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Well, two games ain't that bad. There were talks of him missing 8 games so this is good news in a way.

[Triplelefthook]

we knew he was going to be suspended - this is about as good as we could have gotten.

[summerdenver]

I was expecting nothing less than 4, so, this is good news. PFT has this on their site now.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/03/suspension-coming-for-marshall/

[Sassy]

What bugs me is no set rules...and Goodell can do whatever he pleases with different situations...it's too inconsistent!

For example, Marshawn Lynch...
...and why doesn't he wait until after court dates to find out if they are guilty or not guilty.

[CHANGSTER]

Well, two games ain't that bad. There were talks of him missing 8 games so this is good news in a way.

Ahah, Perhaps Shefter was doing Bronco Nation a service by saying 8 games so we'd be happy with 2 or 3.

[theAPAOps5]

I like the counseling aspect. Thats what this young man needs. I am fine with two games. The Raiders suck and SD is pretty much a loss anyways.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Ahah, Perhaps Shefter was doing Bronco Nation a service by saying 8 games so we'd be happy with 2 or 3.

I'm definitely not happy but had it been 8 games we would be screwed!

If it's just the two games (and it better be, Marshall!), I still think we can beat Oakland and I was pretty sure that we would lose at SD anyway so it's a wash. BUT, if the Raiders beat us things will be looking ugly.

[SoCalBronco]

Scheff is going to have to come up huge for us the first few games.

[theAPAOps5]

Well I can tell you one thing the server transfer definitely has not occurred yet!

[HEAV]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports that Brandon Marshall has been suspended three games for violations of the Personal Conduct Policy, but could have it reduced to two by agreeing to undergo counseling.
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I pray the kid takes the counseling. Not so he can play one game this year, but to change his life and get away from or control the demons he has.

The kid has been on a very dangerous route for some time.

[CHANGSTER]

I pray the kid takes the counseling. Not so he can play one game this year, but to change his life and get away from or control the demons he has.

The kid has been on a very dangerous route for some time.

Agree

I cant imagine him not taking the counseling. I'd be surprised if their was ever a circumstance where a player didn't.

[chaz]

I think he deserves two games...and it's not enough to ruin the season by any means so hopefully it rattles his cage and gets him on the straight and narrow toward a game in february!

[Dagmar]

Well I can tell you one thing the server transfer definitely has not occurred yet!

Fon't, you'll get Buff started again...

[Kaylore]

I was prepared for two. This is really a two game suspension. I predicted at the beginning of the season that we'd drop a game against the Faiders but beat the boltz. I still feel that way. Here's some food for thought.

Shanahan's record on...

Monday Night Football Road: 3-9

Monday Night Football All time: 13-13

Against the Raiders on the Road on MNF: 1-1

Against the Raiders all time on the road: 8-4

Season Openers all time: 9-4*

So as it stands, there is a good chance that the Raider game could go either way. I tend to think without Marshall and with a jacked-up Raiders team on MNF that we'll lose in a close one. I do think we'll win the Chargers, game though. It's just a gut feeling I have, but I think the Boltz will show some hangover from all their injuries and our guys will want revenge from last year. The biggest thing is Shanahan's record in the first home game of the season.

First home game of the season: 12-1

It's going to be tough, but I think we can do better than people think. I'm personally curious how Cutler will look without Marshall. Obviously Marshall helps him out a lot, but many people say without him he'd suck and I think this is a great chance to show how that's not true.

*(Two loses were with Plummer who throughout his whole career turned the ball over 3 times or more in his season openers, regardless of where he played.)

[dekers]

2 games, sounds pretty good. Schefter reported a few weeks ago that they might suspend him for 8 games. 2 games is nothing. He'll be back with a chip on his shoulder.

Schefter is almost Never wrong when its about the Broncos , I think Rod Smith going with Marshall had a lot to do with it only being 3 games. I also think Rod might be a reason for the anger management counseling . Thanks Rod always a team player. I really hope Marshall can get his life together now not only for the broncos but for him self as well.

[Popps]

Nice job, "B-Marsh." You've been a ****ing circus all off-season and a total distraction to the team. Now you're screwing your teammates by missing two games.

What a schmuck.

[Memento]

I think Stuart Smalley would be a good counselor for Marshall. Hey, if it worked for Michael Jordan...

[watermock]

Thanks Brett...for letting YOU be the big story.

[summerdenver]

Personally, I think Oak game will come down to run game on both sides. Marshall or No Marshall, our O line will struggle with pass pro - on the road in a loud stadium if we can't run.

[Kaylore]

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/drew/DREW0731.gif

[Florida_Bronco]

Nice job, "B-Marsh." You've been a ****ing circus all off-season and a total distraction to the team. Now you're screwing your teammates by missing two games.

What a schmuck.

http://retardnews.com/uploads/2008/brett-favre-cry.jpg

[BlaK-Argentina]

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/drew/DREW0731.gif

ROFL! That's awesome.

[montrose]

Call me crazy, but I could see us stealing one against SD even without B-Marsh. It'll be the home opener, against a team that killed us last season to which the key will be running the ball and controlling the clock versus getting into a shoot out.

[Broncos4Life]

I think that 2 games is justified. I also think M. Lynch should of at least got a 1 game suspension.

[Broncos4Life]

Call me crazy, but I could see us stealing one against SD even without B-Marsh. It'll be the home opener, against a team that killed us last season to which the key will be running the ball and controlling the clock versus getting into a shoot out.

Young should definitely be more involved in the passing game with Marshall gone.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I was prepared for two. This is really a two game suspension. I predicted at the beginning of the season that we'd drop a game against the Faiders but beat the boltz. I still feel that way. Here's some food for thought.

Shanahan's record on...

Monday Night Football Road: 3-9

Monday Night Football All time: 13-13

Against the Raiders on the Road on MNF: 1-1

Against the Raiders all time on the road: 8-4

Season Openers all time: 9-4*

So as it stands, there is a good chance that the Raider game could go either way. I tend to think without Marshall and with a jacked-up Raiders team on MNF that we'll lose in a close one. I do think we'll win the Chargers, game though. It's just a gut feeling I have, but I think the Boltz will show some hangover from all their injuries and our guys will want revenge from last year. The biggest thing is Shanahan's record in the first home game of the season.

First home game of the season: 12-1

It's going to be tough, but I think we can do better than people think. I'm personally curious how Cutler will look without Marshall. Obviously Marshall helps him out a lot, but many people say without him he'd suck and I think this is a great chance to show how that's not true.

*(Two loses were with Plummer who throughout his whole career turned the ball over 3 times or more in his season openers,
regardless of where he played.)


I'm not sure why some people think the raiders may be decent this year, or why they'd be ready to go for the opening game. Sure, the defense is solid, but their offense features a QB that started one game, a patchwork O-line, (do they have anything at receiver?)...plus, its the raiders. i dunno, i could be real off on this one, i just think they will get worse before they get better.

[cutthemdown]

Call me crazy, but I could see us stealing one against SD even without B-Marsh. It'll be the home opener, against a team that killed us last season to which the key will be running the ball and controlling the clock versus getting into a shoot out.

crazy!!!!

[ZONA]

Be thankful one of the games is against the Raiderettes. I don't think we need Brandon in order to win that game. He would help no doubt, but I don't think it's a must he play in ordrer for us to win. We could go 2-0 without him but we shall see. I know for sure we can go 1-0 without him. Not worried at all and I'm not just saying that because of homerism. In fact, it's the direct opposite. I just think the Raiderettes suck that bad.

[broncofan2438]

Yup, its going to hurt but I still like our chances. Trust me here folks, i think our running game will help lighten the load of the receivers

[nickademus]

I know he has the dui coming up but didnt the charges for the other two arrests get dropped? I get how godell can suspend someone for conduct unbecoming but it sort of sucks that marshall has yet to be convicted of anything but he is still paying the price.

[That One Guy]

If you have enough money, you can get anything dismissed. Maybe money isn't a factor in this one but it is in so many, you have to be skeptical when you hear it.

[Pat Bowlen]

Are there more than one Oakland Raiders?

What am I missing here?

[Cosmo]

Damn Godell, he made it low enough that I can't get too mad, but I still think suspending him and letting Lynch off with nothing is a big joke.

and cah, Marshall doesn't have that much money dude, he still is playing on his 4th round pick salary.

I dont like him missing the San Diego game, I want that big mouth Rivers to lose, badly

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I know he has the dui coming up but didnt the charges for the other two arrests get dropped? I get how godell can suspend someone for conduct unbecoming but it sort of sucks that marshall has yet to be convicted of anything but he is still paying the price.

Cause he's a nazi:)

[BroncsRule]

I'm definitely not happy but had it been 8 games we would be screwed!

If it's just the two games (and it better be, Marshall!), I still think we can beat Oakland and I was pretty sure that we would lose at SD anyway so it's a wash. BUT, if the Raiders beat us things will be looking ugly.

week two is vs SD in Denver.. If we are going to split the series, we need that one.

[chaz]

ya as I said I agree with 2 games...but Marshawn getting off is a crock of ****. Clean record my ass...how many times do you have to hit a woman with your car and drive off before it starts to "count"

[ZONA]

week two is vs SD in Denver.. If we are going to split the series, we need that one.

Hoping he can get this down to one game, he sure would help us alot in that game. But still, if we pound the ball at SD and use the clock, it could be close. The key will be our DL and if they can get pressure and disrupt things back there. Frustrate LT early is the way to beat them. Getting some turnovers would really help us out also. We need to win that battle to win the game. Sounds cliche but in this case I think it's 100% accurate. We can't afford any INT's or fumbles if we want to win.

[broncocalijohn]

Hey Kaylore, does this mean he misses the San Diego game? How about the New Orleans game? Be nice to me too.

[Blueflame]

The seemingly-tireless efforts made toward sweeping the Pats' "Spygate" under the rug told me just about all I really needed to know about Goodell as the league commissioner.

[Hawaii_Guy]

I'm definitely not happy but had it been 8 games we would be screwed!

If it's just the two games (and it better be, Marshall!), I still think we can beat Oakland and I was pretty sure that we would lose at SD anyway so it's a wash. BUT, if the Raiders beat us things will be looking ugly.

You know what... I have seen a lot of this lately and I cannot say anything disappoints me more in Bronco fans then this type of talk. Why play the game if we are already going to say it is a loss? I mean we might as well let SD have the division title and not show up. I figure everyone that is going to travel to see the NE game or the SD game should just save their money and not cheer for their team, I mean we do not have a shot. We have not even seen one PS game and we do not know what SD is going to do this year. With Rivers as their QB I do not see them being top 5 in the AFC and if Jay plays to his potential we could take the division. Not only that we could look at these two games being a good thing for two reasons. First he could grow up and become a Man and get his stuff together. Second Jay needs to find another receiver he can trust when Marshal is taken out of the game. He has Tony but after those two he needs to gain trust in Colbert or Jackson and those two games and two weeks of practice could go a long way once B-Marsh comes back.

[TDmvp]

in case anyone has said , or is thinking about saying Chris Henry in this thread . http://www.artestuff.com/images/j-rail-white-screw.jpg that

[TheChamp24]

For people thinking it will be an easy victory over the Raiders on Monday Night without Marshall, don't get that win so locked in. I'm calling this now that it is going to be a very tough game, where either team has a good chance of winning.
San Diego, this game is just going to be hard to win, especially with Marshall out.
I could see us starting 0-2 or 1-1 to start the year, I don't know about 2-0 though.

[Dedhed]

This is still nothing more than media speculation. Yeah, Schefter has a pretty good bead on Broncos topics generally, but there is still no word on this from the league office. It was just a week ago that Schefter reported that Marshall would be getting 4-8 games. Despite his contacts, I doubt that Goodell confides in Schefter.

I'll wait for the official announcement from the NFL office.

[Drek]

I'm hoping it is 2-3 games and does come down soon. That would indicate that the league's private secret service squad had investigated the current allegations against Marshall and found them to be tenuous enough for Goodell to hand out the suspension now without the issue coming back up if he were found guilty of something a few months down the road.

I'm quite sure that is why they're holding back on doing anything with Marshawn Lynch. If he gets a conviction he's looking at a big ass suspension, so no point knocking him a game or two now and then have his attorney, agent, and team start crying doube jeopardy.

[TheReverend]

I'm more interested (and think it will have more of an impact) to see how the new defense and players play against LT and the Chargers than Marshall, personally.

Oh, and this suspension is bull****.

[Broncoman13]

I was hoping that this would be the case. Actually was expecting 4 and hoping to cut it down to 2 with "good conduct" or something. 3 that can be cut to 2 with some much needed counciling is more than fair. This needed to happen and the Commish actually handled this in a pretty fair way. Sure it sucks that we open with 2 division games, and I bet that played into the ruling. Fair is fair, go Brandon, get your act together and become that HOF player we all know you can be!!!

[TheReverend]

Pre-season games should count as half games towards his suspension, lol.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

We'll see how "mature" he really is now. Imagine Goodell's response to any further shennanigans.

[Borks147]

At least Cutler will be forced to develop chemistry with Djack and Royal.

[Hogan11]

This guy gets suspended for two games and people are cool with it? ???

Two games without our #1 WR and people are okay with it :nono: That's about as insane as people blaming Goodell for it all. Sure, it could've been worse, but at the end of the day, there's only one person to blame....and Marshall sees him everytime he looks in the mirror. Thanks a lot Brandon.

[TDmvp]

Yea Hogan I feel yas man ... I hope to god something clicks in this kids head and he grows up fast ...

[Dukes]

I like and agree with the ruling. He needs some kind of real punishment. As long as we can split the first two games we'll be in just fine.

[Northman]

Punishment fits the crime, actually he got off pretty easy considering his knack for finding trouble. We should be relieved that its just 3, possibly 2.

[Northman]

What bugs me is no set rules...and Goodell can do whatever he pleases with different situations...it's too inconsistent!

For example, Marshawn Lynch...
...and why doesn't he wait until after court dates to find out if they are guilty or not guilty.

Marshawn Lynch doesnt have a knack for getting into trouble every other week.

[Rabb]

the guilty versus non guilty thing just drives me crazy...it has zero to do with the deicision, we are not talking about Michael Vick here who told the commish one thing and then the legal process brought the truth out

it is all about the image of the league for the commish and right or wrong, that is what the suspensions are based on partially and it is probably an attempt to save some face and teach a budding star in the league a lesson to prevent anything in the future

flame me if you like, but the whole "I cannot believe he got suspended without being convicted" argument is just stupid

we, as fans, should consider ourselves lucky that is all he got

[Kaylore]

Hey Kaylore, does this mean he misses the San Diego game? How about the New Orleans game? Be nice to me too.

I don't know! I'm still stumped from the first question!!!!:crazy:

[TheReverend]

I'd be surprised if he didn't win an appeal of it.

[Kaylore]

I'd be surprised if he didn't win an appeal of it.

You're going to be surprised.

[BroncoFanatic]

I'd be surprised if he didn't win an appeal of it.

I could rest a whole lot easier with a 1 game suspension. None would be preferable, but not gonna happen.

Does anyone know if Marshall booted that punk-assed cousin of his out of the house? God I hope so

[clint7]

Freakin' San Diego's season is off to a great start. They get Carolina without Smith week 1 and then Denver without Marshall week 2.

[Prodigal19]

I kind of hope that he doesn't appeal considering that for one, his chances of winning would be very low so it would probably just be a waste of time. And second, I think that he can earn some respect from Goodell if he doesn't appeal. Just take his punishment like a man.

[TheReverend]

You're going to be surprised.

Meh, I'd think the Union would like to get involved with this one and challenge for some reasoning and consistency with Goodell's conduct policy.

I fully understand and agree with the "Lack of convictions is a poor argument" stance, but what about the "Lack of actual charges" stance?

To my knowledge (hopefully some of the "Crucify Brandon NOW" crowd can add to the list), these are the incidents he's ACTUALLY been charged with:

False Imprisonment - Which was thrown out for being stupid
DUI - Pending, but very dumb of Brandon, but also carries a ZERO game suspension for being first time

and........ nothing else.

[theAPAOps5]

When Der Furor is the one who conducts the appeal I don't think it will be favorable to Mister Marshall.

[Rabb]

Meh, I'd think the Union would like to get involved with this one and challenge for some reasoning and consistency with Goodell's conduct policy.

I fully understand and agree with the "Lack of convictions is a poor argument" stance, but what about the "Lack of actual charges" stance?

To my knowledge (hopefully some of the "Crucify Brandon NOW" crowd can add to the list), these are the incidents he's ACTUALLY been charged with:

False Imprisonment - Which was thrown out for being stupid
DUI - Pending, but very dumb of Brandon, but also carries a ZERO game suspension for being first time

and........ nothing else.

for the record, I agree with you 100% but my guess is that Goodell looks at it like the kid just has some knack for finding trouble whether warranted or not, and I bet that is what the counseling is focused on

it's like my 2nd grader, last year she had this asshole kid in her class she hung out with and they got in trouble together, the teacher told my wife and I that it was like 99% the other kid, but I was still not happy with mine and she got some talking to's because of it

moral is, I don't care if my kid is doing it or not...the fact is the spotlight was on her for who she was hanging out with enough that dad (commish) had to crack some ass after hearing from the teacher

[TheReverend]

for the record, I agree with you 100% but my guess is that Goodell looks at it like the kid just has some knack for finding trouble whether warranted or not, and I bet that is what the counseling is focused on

it's like my 2nd grader, last year she had this a-hole kid in her class she hung out with and they got in trouble together, the teacher told my wife and I that it was like 99% the other kid, but I was still not happy with mine and she got some talking to's because of it

moral is, I don't care if my kid is doing it or not...the fact is the spotlight was on her for who she was hanging out with enough that dad (commish) had to crack some ass after hearing from the teacher

Well, if your daughter was in a children's union, I'm sure she'd be winning an appeal on you too.

[Rabb]

Well, if your daughter was in a children's union, I'm sure she'd be winning an appeal on you too.

she may as well be, I hear "it's not my job" many times a week

[jsco70]

An open comment to Brandon Marshall...

This is your wake up call. You have been blessed with physical talent, and are fortunate to live in a society where you can to become a millionaire 100 times over for playing a kids game. I suggest you grow up and learn from your mistakes.

[Popps]

This guy gets suspended for two games and people are cool with it? ???

Two games without our #1 WR and people are okay with it :nono: That's about as insane as people blaming Goodell for it all. Sure, it could've been worse, but at the end of the day, there's only one person to blame....and Marshall sees him everytime he looks in the mirror. Thanks a lot Brandon.

No, dude... see.... he's "B-marsh." He's just keeping it real and you need to get on the B-marsh bandwagon.

Be proud!

It doesn't matter if the team suffers. Defend B-marsh at all costs.

[theAPAOps5]

No, dude... see.... he's "B-marsh." He's just keeping it real and you need to get on the B-marsh bandwagon.

Be proud!

It doesn't matter if the team suffers. Defend B-marsh at all costs.

Popps I respect your opinion on this and generally agree with you on a lot of topics. But for some reason you are reaching wolf like status with your obsession on calling people out over Marshall. Its kind of surprising.

[watermock]

I'm hoping it is 2-3 games and does come down soon. That would indicate that the league's private secret service squad had investigated the current allegations against Marshall and found them to be tenuous enough for Goodell to hand out the suspension now without the issue coming back up if he were found guilty of something a few months down the road.

I'm quite sure that is why they're holding back on doing anything with Marshawn Lynch. If he gets a conviction he's looking at a big ass suspension, so no point knocking him a game or two now and then have his attorney, agent, and team start crying doube jeopardy.

Lynch has allready been convicted. It's Marshall that isnt going to get due process before penalty, apparently.

[400HZ]

Your boy Williamson posted this on his ESPN blog:

Report: Broncos' Marshall will get three-game suspension

Rocky Mountain News

Sunday, August 3, 2008

It was reported during NBC's Hall of Fame Game broadcast Sunday night that Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall will receive a three-game suspension from the NFL for his violation of the personal conduct policy.
The report went on to say the suspension can be pared to two games if Marshall, who has had three arrests in 17 months along with other off-field incidents, agrees to undergo counseling.
A league source Sunday night said Marshall had not been apprised of any looming penalty. The league also is maintaining that no decision has yet been made, according to a second source.
A decision on Marshall's fate could come down as soon as today.
On Friday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said the league was in "the final stages" of reviewing Marshall's case and said he expected to make a decision early in the week.
Marshall, former Broncos wide receiver Rod Smith and Marshall's Denver-based attorney, Harvey Steinberg, met with Goodell last month.
If suspended, Marshall can keep practicing with the team until the week before the first regular-season game.

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[Popps]

An open comment to Brandon Marshall...

This is your wake up call. You have been blessed with physical talent, and are fortunate to live in a society where you can to become a millionaire 100 times over for playing a kids game. I suggest you grow up and learn from your mistakes.

Yea, because domestic disturbances, arrests, DUIs, stalking charges and suspensions are just about "growing up."

Oops! I stalked someone. Oops! I'm in the back of a squad car again.





Now if I may, my open letter to "B-marsh"...



Brandon,

You're a turd.

Love,

Popps

[Kaylore]

Meh, I'd think the Union would like to get involved with this one and challenge for some reasoning and consistency with Goodell's conduct policy.

I fully understand and agree with the "Lack of convictions is a poor argument" stance, but what about the "Lack of actual charges" stance?

To my knowledge (hopefully some of the "Crucify Brandon NOW" crowd can add to the list), these are the incidents he's ACTUALLY been charged with:

False Imprisonment - Which was thrown out for being stupid
DUI - Pending, but very dumb of Brandon, but also carries a ZERO game suspension for being first time

and........ nothing else.
Seems pretty consistent to me. DUI = 2 game suspension, ala Jared Allen. And again, the charges aren't the issue. Marshall keeps getting arrested for domestic violence, driving drunk, getting into fights, driving with no license and no insurance. He wants Marshall to wake up.

[TheReverend]

Seems pretty consistent to me. DUI = 2 game suspension, ala Jared Allen. And again, the charges aren't the issue. Marshall keeps getting arrested for domestic violence, driving drunk, getting into fights, driving with no license and no insurance. He wants Marshall to wake up.

DUI does NOT = 2 game suspension. Jared Allen was a multiple offender.

As for the rest, I get Pacman, I get Chris Henry, I get Tank, but there aren't even multiple CHARGES filed against Brandon.

[Popps]

Popps I respect your opinion on this and generally agree with you on a lot of topics. But for some reason you are reaching wolf like status with your obsession on calling people out over Marshall. Its kind of surprising.

Dude, I was calling him out before the suspension... and if you have followed my posts at all (which the word "surprising" would suggest).... you should know that I never go for the bull****.

I wanted Travis Henry off this team and fought his little fan club of ####-worshipers around here. (All of whom now rip the guy.)

Kircus, iHop, Dale Carter, etc..

Ripping on dip**** thugs on our team is not a new thing for me. There's no surprise at all in it.

[Kaylore]

DUI does NOT = 2 game suspension. Jared Allen was a multiple offender.

As for the rest, I get Pacman, I get Chris Henry, I get Tank, but there aren't even multiple CHARGES filed against Brandon.

It doesn't matter. It's not like the Police in three different states have a conspiracy against the kid. He has poor judgment and finds trouble with the greatest of ease. Goodell isn't stupid. He knows guys that keep getting arrested are a problem and are showing severe behavioral flaws. Whether there is enough evidence at each occurrence to press charges is irrelevant. Are you honestly telling me that you think in all these incidents he is but a poor helpless victim of misunderstanding? Give me a freaking break!

[Florida_Bronco]

The seemingly-tireless efforts made toward sweeping the Pats' "Spygate" under the rug told me just about all I really needed to know about Goodell as the league commissioner.

That, and not allowing Champ and John to wear #27 at the ProBowl for D-Will, but then turning around and allowing the Redskins players to wear Sean Taylor's the very next year.

Goodell is far from fair and consistent.

[Mountain Bronco]

Under the collective barganing, a player cannot get suspended for their first DUI. Allen was a two time offender. Goodell's stance has caused more problems than it has solved. Now pissed off girlfriends, hustlers, cousin's etc... know that all they have to do is toss around some B.S. claims, get the media involved and it will hurt whoever the player is because Goodell has a god complex.

That being said, employers can terminate employement for arrests, not convictions.

[Kaylore]

That being said, employers can terminate employement for arrests, not convictions.

We're a fire at will state. You get fired for nothing at all.

[Mountain Bronco]

That is true that we are an at will state, but if you fire and give no cause it creates problems for the employer, such as the employers, unemployment insurance goes up significantly and costs the employer. If you fire for cause, then the employers unemployment insurance does not get impacted, so most employers will try to fire for cause. Cause = arrest, not conviction.

[Rabb]

we are in an at will state, unless you are represented by a union...then it is a little different

my wife is union, she would have to try to get fired...I on the other hand (at the very same company) am an engineer and not "represented" so they could fire me for any reason

[TheReverend]

It doesn't matter. It's not like the Police in three different states have a conspiracy against the kid. He has poor judgment and finds trouble with the greatest of ease. Goodell isn't stupid. He knows guys that keep getting arrested are a problem and are showing severe behavioral flaws. Whether there is enough evidence at each occurrence to press charges is irrelevant. Are you honestly telling me that you think in all these incidents he is but a poor helpless victim of misunderstanding? Give me a freaking break!

Because in a domestic disturbance case, they HAVE to make an arrest after they show up. No charges is the most telling sign of validity.

Obviously he's not a helpless victim, but he's a 24 year old kid who loves pussy like the rest of us.

If the Union DOESN'T go after this, any crazy bitch with $ in her eyes can now get her man suspended by the NFL.

[jsco70]

Yea, because domestic disturbances, arrests, DUIs, stalking charges and suspensions are just about "growing up."

Oops! I stalked someone. Oops! I'm in the back of a squad car again.





Now if I may, my open letter to "B-marsh"...



Brandon,

You're a turd.

Love,

Popps


You're right. I should keep the "grow up" comment reserved for those who deserve it. Perhaps like obsessive, internet forum neat guys who like to impose their opinion on others and ridicule people with a different takes, because they have been fans of the team for 30 years. Know anyone who meets that description? I do.

[richpjr]

Under the collective barganing, a player cannot get suspended for their first DUI. Allen was a two time offender. Goodell's stance has caused more problems than it has solved. Now pissed off girlfriends, hustlers, cousin's etc... know that all they have to do is toss around some B.S. claims, get the media involved and it will hurt whoever the player is because Goodell has a god complex.


All the arguing about being charged or convicted or not skirts around the real issue - he keeps putting himself in the position where these things can happen to him. He and he alone is responsible for who he hangs out with and what he does. Why is it that most other players don't have six different 911 calls to there house? Or get restraining orders for stalking? Or DUIs? Or suspended licenses? So yeah, he hasn't been convicted in court of anything yet, but the repeated pattern of behavior is right there. Stop doing dumb things and the media and Goddell will have nothing to go after him for.


That being said, employers can terminate employement for arrests, not convictions.

It depends on the terms of employment. A lot of employers are now using employment at will, which basically means you can be let go at any time without notice or cause. I have no idea what an NFL players contract contains.

[theAPAOps5]

Dude, I was calling him out before the suspension... and if you have followed my posts at all (which the word "surprising" would suggest).... you should know that I never go for the bull****.

I wanted Travis Henry off this team and fought his little fan club of ####-worshipers around here. (All of whom now rip the guy.)

Kircus, iHop, Dale Carter, etc..

Ripping on dip**** thugs on our team is not a new thing for me. There's no surprise at all in it.

Didn't say calling Marshall out. I said your desire to call out fans who disagree with you. I know you have this knee jerk reaction regarding this but read a post before you go off on a rant with me.

[bronco militia]

But an NFL source said the Broncos were assured Sunday night that a final decision had not yet been made.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10088947

[TheReverend]

But an NFL source said the Broncos were assured Sunday night that a final decision had not yet been made.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10088947

It's high time Shanahan strapped the lie detector to Goodell.

[dbfan4life]

But an NFL source said the Broncos were assured Sunday night that a final decision had not yet been made.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10088947

but...but...he said....i mean they said....

i don't know what to believe anymore. is he suspended or not dammit?!

[bronco militia]

schefter's always a little wrong with his scoops.....but I'm sure we'll get the official word this week like the NFL stated

[TheReverend]

Probation + Counseling = Good Commissioner

[no-pseudo-fan]

They need to make a decision. If I were B Marsh I would be mad, "official reports" that are found out later not to be. He is going to go eat some babies and choke some hoes if they keep playing with him.

[Cosmo]

For those that dont like the suspension. Do what I did, email Goodell.


roger.goodell2@nfl.net

[Kaylore]

Because in a domestic disturbance case, they HAVE to make an arrest after they show up. No charges is the most telling sign of validity.

Obviously he's not a helpless victim, but he's a 24 year old kid who loves p***Y like the rest of us.

If the Union DOESN'T go after this, any crazy b**** with $ in her eyes can now get her man suspended by the NFL.
Even if all his problems are all on this woman, (and they aren't) then Marshall should stop dicking around with crazy women. Why is it the other 1635 players in the NFL aren't having a problem with this? They all seem to be able to weed out the nutjobs just fine. If they do fool around with some psycho, they are able to keep it out of the press and out of police's business. Good grief, let's keep perspective here. It's not like there's an epidemic of women ruining player's careers. Marshall is flying solo on that one and let this be a lesson to him to stay away.

[TheReverend]

Even if all his problems are all on this woman, (and they aren't) then Marshall should stop dicking around with crazy women. Why is it the other 1635 players in the NFL aren't having a problem with this? They all seem to be able to weed out the nutjobs just fine. If they do fool around with some psycho, they are able to keep it out of the press and out of police's business. Good grief, let's keep perspective here. It's not like there's an epidemic of women ruining player's careers. Marshall is flying solo on that one and let this be a lesson to him to stay away.

Good post and I think the answer, and the commissioner's decision should come down to a photo of the girl.

If she's insanely hot, no penalty.

If she's not, suspend.

[Kaylore]

Good post and I think the answer, and the commissioner's decision should come down to a photo of the girl.

If she's insanely hot, no penalty.

If she's not, suspend.

LOL

[bronco militia]

Good post and I think the answer, and the commissioner's decision should come down to a photo of the girl.

If she's insanely hot, no penalty.

If she's not, suspend.

AWESOME.

:giggle:

[broncofan2438]

Yea, we can all sit here and complain about the situation, but we all knew this was coming and hopefully the source was wrong and its no games and just a warning(prob not).

[Beantown Bronco]

They all seem to be able to weed out the nutjobs just fine. If they do fool around with some psycho, they are able to keep it out of the press and out of police's business. Good grief, let's keep perspective here. It's not like there's an epidemic of women ruining player's careers. Marshall is flying solo on that one and let this be a lesson to him to stay away.

Didn't follow Randy Moss much last year, did ya?

[Popps]

You're right. I should keep the "grow up" comment reserved for those who deserve it. Perhaps like obsessive, internet forum neat guys who like to impose their opinion on others and ridicule people with a different takes, because they have been fans of the team for 30 years. Know anyone who meets that description? I do.

People may disagree with you in life, kid.


Have a good cry. Get it out.

[Popps]

Didn't say calling Marshall out. I said your desire to call out fans who disagree with you. I know you have this knee jerk reaction regarding this but read a post before you go off on a rant with me.

It's not that they disagree with me. They disagree with logic and reality.

You either understand that Marshall has hurt this team or you are living in a sad, fantasy-world. (As many of his man-crush brigade clearly are.)

If you love the team, you hate this ****.

It's fairly simple.

For a guy who claims to pay attention around here... you should very vividly remember me having these same lock-ups with the Travis Henry man-crush brigade, which has since disbanded, naturally.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I'm most interested in knowing when the Nick Kaczur suspension is going down. Marshall's 2-3 games is quite fair for what he did. But it's not like he was schlepping 200 prescription pills in his car and made to wear a wire tap to bust alleged dealers. I know I'm preaching to the choir about Goodell's inconsistencies, but 0 games for Lynch and no word on Kaczur reeks of hypocrisy.

[TheReverend]

It's not that they disagree with me. They disagree with logic and reality.

You either understand that Marshall has hurt this team or you are living in a sad, fantasy-world. (As many of his man-crush brigade clearly are.)

If you love the team, you hate this ****.

It's fairly simple.

For a guy who claims to pay attention around here... you should very vividly remember me having these same lock-ups with the Travis Henry man-crush brigade, which has since disbanded, naturally.

Helped the team a lot more than "hurt it" (<---which is pending and unofficial as of yet)

[Kaylore]

They're now saying that a Marshall decision is "coming soon". I know Schefter is usually right, but his first pronouncement was wrong in 4-8 games. Now he's saying 2-3. I'm beginning to think Schefter's source isn't all that reliable and he's just going off what he thinks rather than what is.

[broncofan2438]

I'm most interested in knowing when the Nick Kaczur suspension is going down. Marshall's 2-3 games is quite fair for what he did. But it's not like he was schlepping 200 prescription pills in his car and made to wear a wire tap to bust alleged dealers. I know I'm preaching to the choir about Goodell's inconsistencies, but 0 games for Lynch and no word on Kaczur reeks of hypocrisy.

I totally agree here, Goodell has his **** backwards

[Popps]

Helped the team a lot more than "hurt it" (<---which is pending and unofficial as of yet)

It's been a side-show to such an extent that a 3rd year QB had to call him out in public, and the coach has to deal with it on almost a daily basis. I'm sure it's doing wonders for team chemistry.... just like Travis Henry did. (As almost every player interviewed admitted after the situation was resolved.)

Now, it appears he'll hurt the team directly by missing two key division games.

No one is arguing that Marshall has football ability.

[Kaylore]

Didn't follow Randy Moss much last year, did ya?

That's a good point. It was very similar except that there were two incidents with Marshall, the first being his first arrest here, so there is a track record. Also Moss wasn't facing two other arrests. Having said all that, I certainly don't suggest players replicate the on and off-field behavior of Randy Moss when looking for a role model.

[TheReverend]

It's been a side-show to such an extent that a 3rd year QB had to call him out in public, and the coach has to deal with it on almost a daily basis. I'm sure it's doing wonders for team chemistry.... just like Travis Henry did. (As almost every player interviewed admitted after the situation was resolved.)

Now, it appears he'll hurt the team directly by missing two key division games.

No one is arguing that Marshall has football ability.

Yeah. you're right. All the info out of training camp and from the Head Coach is that the team chemistry is crippled from the situation and it's so tense between him and Jay that he's not staring down Brandon in half of his drops...

...And show me those quotes on Henry. If he hadn't popped on that last test THIS off-season, he'd be playing... HERE.

[TheReverend]

That's a good point. It was very similar except that there were two incidents with Marshall, the first being his first arrest here, so there is a track record. Also Moss wasn't facing two other arrests. Having said all that, I certainly don't suggest players replicate the on and off-field behavior of Randy Moss when looking for a role model.

Moss also has a much more extensive and colorful past... including hitting a parking attendant with his SUV because it was amusing to him.

PS. I laughed.

[DukeWoody]

Helped the team a lot more than "hurt it" (<---which is pending and unofficial as of yet)

...And will continue to help this team tremendously for years to come..but hey if some people want to drag around a silly little beef against an NFL player on a message board, if that's theri thing, then hey so be it, whatever floats their boat...

[Rabb]

I just want this crap behind us all and to watch some drama-free Broncos football, sigh

[TheReverend]

I just want this crap behind us all and to watch some drama-free Broncos football, sigh

Sunday :kiss:

[DukeWoody]

Saturday :kiss:

Fixed it for you..

[TheReverend]

Fixed it for you..

Well I can't watch it until Sunday!

[DukeWoody]

Well I can't watch it until Sunday!

I guess i didn't really fix it for you after all..I'll be glued to the tube checking out all the PS action starting Thursday with da-Bears/chorfs game..

[Popps]

Yeah. you're right. All the info out of training camp and from the Head Coach is that the team chemistry is crippled from the situation and it's so tense between him and Jay that he's not staring down Brandon in half of his drops...

Oh, Jay is throwing the ball to his best receiver?

Well, ****. Forget everything I said, then. Everything must be peachy.

::)

[Popps]

...if some people want to drag around a silly little beef against an NFL player on a message board, if that's theri thing, then hey so be it, whatever floats their boat...

Right, and if someone wants to man-worship some schmuck who's causing the team they claim to love problems... then whatever floats their boat.

Again, sucking the #### of some guy who's screwing with our team doesn't make you a better fan.

[TheReverend]

Oh, Jay is throwing the ball to his best receiver?

Well, ****. Forget everything I said, then. Everything must be peachy.

::)

Then why don't you explain the irrepairable damage to team chemistry that you're predicting?

[Inkana7]

In other news, this means that, according to the current depth chart, Eddie Royal starts at WR opposite Darrell Jackson for at least two games. Go Eddie.

[Kaylore]

FYI they just announced that the second domestic violence charge from the Atlanta incident has been dropped.

[Raiders Rock]

I can already hear the excuses for getting your asses beat now

[bronco militia]

I can already hear the excuses for getting your asses beat now

there is no excuse for losing to the Raiders

[Inkana7]

there is no excuse for losing to the Raiders

Cosign.

[broncofan2438]

FYI they just announced that the second domestic violence charge from the Atlanta incident has been dropped.

Good, maybe they will drop the whole thing, and we can look like idiots for writing 6 pages about it

[worm]

In other news, this means that, according to the current depth chart, Eddie Royal starts at WR opposite Darrell Jackson for at least two games. Go Eddie.

1st NFL game as a rookie.....and you are the starting WR, KR and PR.

Wow.

If he can successfully rise to this challenge it would be absolutely amazing.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I can already hear the excuses for getting your asses beat now

Tubby McFat**** going to put the team on his double-wide back and carry the team to a victory?

[Rabb]

Tubby McFat**** going to put the team on his double-wide back and carry the team to a victory?

unless there is a table of donuts at the end, I doubt it

[Kaylore]

The fan is saying he is getting suspended three games likes it's gospel, but the press conference from Shanahan says that they still haven't heard anything from the league office yet.

[DukeWoody]

Right, and if someone wants to man-worship some schmuck who's causing the team they claim to love problems... then whatever floats their boat.

Again, sucking the #### of some guy who's screwing with our team doesn't make you a better fan.

WTF?

I'm sure this will undoubtably come to you as NO surprise what-so-ever, but you are a completely full blown, over the top fuggin DRAMA QUEEN!

Another thing, "NOBODY is a better fan of the Broncos or coach Shanahan then YOU",ra ra ra right Popps?...you know the spiel..

Like i said, whatever floats your boat drama...

[Rabb]

The fan is saying he is getting suspended three games likes it's gospel, but the press conference from Shanahan says that they still haven't heard anything from the league office yet.

today I am actually thankful I carpooled with Mrs. rabb, so i don't have to hear the crap Jim Armstrong has to say about it all

[bronco0608]

Gosh, let's see. Oakland is the first game....and he's going to miss at least two if not three games...so, hmmm. This is hard. Man. First game...and he misses two to three....DANG! It's HARD!

And how exactly does Marshall "misses two-three games" ?

[Irish Stout]

In other news, this means that, according to the current depth chart, Eddie Royal starts at WR opposite Darrell Jackson for at least two games. Go Eddie.

It will be nice to hear chants of "ED-EE, ED-EE" in Mile High again. Hopefully Royal can bring the crowd to their feet like Eddie Mac used to do.

[Man-Goblin]

So, is he going to miss the Oakland game, or not?

[theAPAOps5]

So, is he going to miss the Oakland game, or not?

If he is suspended, yes

[Kaylore]

And how exactly does Marshall "misses two-three games" ?

It's been reported it's a three game suspension with potential to have it reduced to two with good behavior.

[Kaylore]

So, is he going to miss the Oakland game, or not?

http://kevinchiu.org/emote/facepalm.jpg

[Beantown Bronco]

It's been reported it's a three game suspension with potential to have it reduced to two with good behavior.

He's making fun of the grammar tense of the title. By saying "misses" instead of "to miss", it implies that the suspension already happened.

[elsid13]

I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but Marshall does get to appeal. So it is possible that Marshall agrees to the counseling, for the two games suspense then request an appeal. Commish then reduce it to one game if Marshall goes to the counseling sessions. Following the precedent set by Jared Allen's DWIs.

[Raiders Rock]

http://popbytes.com/img/ronald-mcdonald-1.jpg

[Popps]

Then why don't you explain the irrepairable damage to team chemistry that you're predicting?

Never said irreparable, or "irrepairable" for that matter.

The point is, this team came off of a bad season filled with chemistry issues... on the heels of a tragic off-season before that.

The last thing we needed to start the year was a me-first, flavor-clown (copyright Hogan) getting his stupid ass suspended after an off-season of distractions.

Is it beyond repair? Of course not. Should any fan of this team be happy about it or making excuses for him?

Of course not.

[leon]

Marshall Is Damn Lucky!!!!!! He Needs To Get His A** Together And Leave That Trick Alone And Work On His Game!!! It Coluld Have Been Much Worst!!!

[ludo21]

Are we jumping to conclusions? or are the Broncos lying?

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/brandon.marshall.goodell.2.786854.html

The NFL Network reported Sunday that Marshall would receive a three-game suspension that could be reduced to two games if he agrees to counseling. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello, however, told The Associated Press on Monday that the league had nothing to report regarding Marshall.

"As soon as we have something, we will announce it," Aiello said.

[bronco militia]

Are we jumping to conclusions? or are the Broncos lying?

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/brandon.marshall.goodell.2.786854.html

The NFL Network reported Sunday that Marshall would receive a three-game suspension that could be reduced to two games if he agrees to counseling. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello, however, told The Associated Press on Monday that the league had nothing to report regarding Marshall.

"As soon as we have something, we will announce it," Aiello said.


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e138/dignonk/office_space.jpg
nahhhhhhhhhhhh

a few of us have been trying to point that out throughout this thread

[Inkana7]

Marshall Is Damn Lucky!!!!!! He Needs To Get His A** Together And Leave That Trick Alone And Work On His Game!!! It Coluld Have Been Much Worst!!!

How does one get their ass together?

[ludo21]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e138/dignonk/office_space.jpg
nahhhhhhhhhhhh

a few of us have been trying to point that out throughout this thread

ahh, one of those things.

[TheReverend]

Never said irreparable, or "irrepairable" for that matter.

The point is, this team came off of a bad season filled with chemistry issues... on the heels of a tragic off-season before that.

The last thing we needed to start the year was a me-first, flavor-clown (copyright Hogan) getting his stupid ass suspended after an off-season of distractions.

Is it beyond repair? Of course not. Should any fan of this team be happy about it or making excuses for him?

Of course not.

Thank goodness you're good at spelling, because you're absolutely horrible at this argument.

So earlier it messed up team chemistry... still waiting for one instance of how that actually happened...

Please don't quote Hogan. It's a very clever nickname but he has a sensible point of view on this subject... you're just on a tangent of angry rants. You're like the guy on the public toilet that needs to make angry racial comments while he's going #2.

As for the rest, you know professional people get paid very large sums of money to deal with these situations and make decisions on them, right? I mean, obviously knowing about 10% of the situations they know and less than 1% of the person they deal with everyday, you feel you could make better decisions. Good for you! :thumbsup:

Here comes the non-sensical barrage of insults in a post also riddled with the word "son". OH NO!

[80smith]

OK... If Marshall is gone for 2 or so games what is the possibilities of scheffler being the 2nd or 3rd wide reciever? He is a favorite target of Cutlers and that will keep Graham in the game to block. As a tight end, Scheffler can block and you can do more runs to his side this way. I know we have Stokley and Royal and all and dont see this happening on every down but I could see some good things here.

[BlaK-Argentina]

You know what... I have seen a lot of this lately and I cannot say anything disappoints me more in Bronco fans then this type of talk. Why play the game if we are already going to say it is a loss? I mean we might as well let SD have the division title and not show up. I figure everyone that is going to travel to see the NE game or the SD game should just save their money and not cheer for their team, I mean we do not have a shot. We have not even seen one PS game and we do not know what SD is going to do this year. With Rivers as their QB I do not see them being top 5 in the AFC and if Jay plays to his potential we could take the division. Not only that we could look at these two games being a good thing for two reasons. First he could grow up and become a Man and get his stuff together. Second Jay needs to find another receiver he can trust when Marshal is taken out of the game. He has Tony but after those two he needs to gain trust in Colbert or Jackson and those two games and two weeks of practice could go a long way once B-Marsh comes back.

I just said that I thought we would lose at SD. The game is in Denver, my bad. I do think we can beat them anytime, but I'm not too optimistic about it after they pretty much destroyed us the last four meetings. I never give up on the team, I'm always one of the few people in the chat room that tries to keep the hopes up even if we're losing.

I wasn't even going to post this but I saw you neg-repped me and thought I would let you know that I do believe in the team and always will, even when we're underdogs.

Anyway, go Broncos!!!

[garandman]

I think we will be fine, other players will step up. Look for Stokley, Sheffler and Royal to be playmakers and maybe a surprise in Daniel Graham..

[Dedhed]

It's not that they disagree with me. They disagree with logic and reality.

You either understand that Marshall has hurt this team or you are living in a sad, fantasy-world. (As many of his man-crush brigade clearly are.)

If you love the team, you hate this ****.

It's fairly simple.

For a guy who claims to pay attention around here... you should very vividly remember me having these same lock-ups with the Travis Henry man-crush brigade, which has since disbanded, naturally.You crappped your pants every time someone spoke out in opposition of either Jake Plummer or Tatum Bell in this same forum. Hardly a glowing example of sticking steadfast to logic and reality.

[theAPAOps5]

You crappped your pants every time someone spoke out in opposition of either Jake Plummer or Tatum Bell in this same forum. Hardly a glowing example of sticking steadfast to logic and reality.

Be prepared for a rant. You don't buy what he is saying word for word so he will attack you.

[Popps]

Thank goodness you're good at spelling,

Maybe just stick with simpler words. Try ones with less letters to avoid future confusion.


So earlier it messed up team chemistry... still waiting for one instance of how that actually happened.

Jay Cutler had to call the ****ing guy out in PUBLIC, he was so sick of his circus-act.

Beyond that, if you think this crap doesn't grate on coaches... you simply don't pay attention. Ask the folks in SF and Philly how T.O. effected their team's chemistry. (And soon, you'll be able to ask them in Dallas.)

Again, simple stuff if you're willing to embrace logic, reality and factual information.


Please don't quote Hogan. It's a very clever nickname but he has a sensible point of view on this subject.

You're right, and he's had many posts, including one on this very thread that make perfect sense.

This guy gets suspended for two games and people are cool with it? ???

Two games without our #1 WR and people are okay with it :nono: That's about as insane as people blaming Goodell for it all. Sure, it could've been worse, but at the end of the day, there's only one person to blame....and Marshall sees him everytime he looks in the mirror. Thanks a lot Brandon.

Gosh, sound familiar? Those are the exact same arguments I've put forth on this very thread.

So, if you need help... he's calling out the Brandon ####-worship brigade, choosing to be a fan of the TEAM, not an apologist for the flavor-clown. (C)

As for the rest, you know professional people get paid very large sums of money to deal with these situations and make decisions on them, right? I mean, obviously knowing about 10% of the situations they know and less than 1% of the person they deal with everyday, you feel you could make better decisions. Good for you!

Yea, I'm not sure what all that nonsense was. What I do know is that the majority of NFL players and professionals in life can get through a week without being arrested.

Brandon can't keep his dumb ass out of trouble and now he's ****ed his team. If you want to champion this guy, knock yourself out. Just don't ask sensible fans to join you.

[Popps]

Be prepared for a rant. You don't buy what he is saying word for word so he will attack you.

Hilarious!

Wow, tender ass, huh? "Attacked." So dramatic!

I don't care if you agree with me. You have your opinion and I have mine. You called me out, so I retaliated. If you're confident in your love for Brandon, what I say shouldn't matter.

I'm confident in my love for this team, so I've got a problem with his behavior.
I simply won't be joining "Bradon's Boys," or whatever the fan-club is this week.

[theAPAOps5]

See there you go. Because we don't join you in your utter disdain and hate for him we are labeled Brandon's Boys or are in his fan club. You really are acting like a 4 year old about this.

If it were just me saying this I would reevaluate my opinion but I see others agree.

Loving the Broncos doesn't mean you have to hate a player.

[Popps]

See there you go. Because we don't join you in your utter disdain and hate for him we are labeled Brandon's Boys or are in his fan club. You really are acting like a 4 year old about this.

If it were just me saying this I would reevaluate my opinion but I see others agree.

Loving the Broncos doesn't mean you have to hate a player.

Dude, I don't hate him. It just borders on comical to watch people scramble to apologize for and excuse this dope's behavior. "He's just young, he's immature, bla bla bla."

If this guy was a Raider, Chef or Charger... those same people would be ripping this guy six ways to Sunday and you know it.

Tell me I'm wrong.

Tell me if this guy was a Raider and was arrested six times, stalked people, drove with a suspended license, got a DUI, sliced his arm open "playing" with his friends and ultimately got suspended..... tell me you'd be making excuses for this guy and telling us all how we should be patient with him.

Go ahead. Tell me if this guy wore different colors we'd still be having this argument.

[Florida_Bronco]

See there you go. Because we don't join you in your utter disdain and hate for him we are labeled Brandon's Boys or are in his fan club. You really are acting like a 4 year old about this.

If it were just me saying this I would reevaluate my opinion but I see others agree.

Loving the Broncos doesn't mean you have to hate a player.

You're wasting your time buddy. As Kaylore described awhile back, Popps has pretty much become a caricature of himself. Shame too, since he used to be one of the better posters on this site.

[Popps]

You're wasting your time buddy. As Kaylore described awhile back, Popps has pretty much become a caricature of himself. Shame too, since he used to be one of the better posters on this site.

LOL

I'm all torn up about that, Florida. But, some agree with me. Some don't. I've never changed my opinion to make friends, which is probably what you liked about my past posts... and it's probably what you DON'T like about this topic.

Again, when you can tell me with a straight face that you'd be making the same excuses for "B-marsh" if he was a Raider, I'll believe you sincerely believe in your stance. Until then, it sounds like a blind fan, ignoring the facts.

It's funny, because we just went through this last year with Henry. I took all the same criticism from a handful of people for bagging on Henry's behavior. Now, those same people are talking **** about him.

[That One Guy]

Just a quick question. Who has more discipline problems, Jared Allen who got two DUIs or Marshall who's a constant concern for SOMETHING popping up?

Personally, I'd take Allen's problems. A DUI is very serious but it doesn't effect the team the way constantly being in the media does. We all bashed the hell out of Allen last year though, if only we'd known we'd have our own tool in a year...

[ludo21]

I think people are "ok" with the suspension because we thought it might be longer.

If anyone actually likes the suspension they are stupid. it hurts the team

[Popps]

Just a quick question. Who has more discipline problems, Jared Allen who got two DUIs or Marshall who's a constant concern for SOMETHING popping up?

Personally, I'd take Allen's problems. A DUI is very serious but it doesn't effect the team the way constantly being in the media does. We all bashed the hell out of Allen last year though, if only we'd known we'd have our own tool in a year...

That's the thing.

I'm O.K. with a little hopeful optimism that the guy will learn how to function like a non-criminal in society at some point. It's the hypocrisy of poo-poo'ing all of this guy's bull**** while condemning players on other team's that is so comical.

I hope he gets his **** together for his own sake, first. Then, I hope he can contribute as a football player once he learns how to be a human being.
But, I'm not going to play kissy-face with him until then.

**** that.

[worm]

Dude, I don't hate him. It just borders on comical to watch people scramble to apologize for and excuse this dope's behavior. "He's just young, he's immature, bla bla bla."

You don't hate Brandon nearly as much as you hate those that disagree with your rants. Marshall is just the latest fool-du-jour that lets you spit out your contempt for those that have different viewpoints in your very Slap-esque black and white World

After eight pages of this thread...the one constant isn't people 'scrambling to apologize for and excuse his behavior'...it's you demonstrating again and again that your issue is more with other people here than it is with Brandon.

You sound like an absolute joy to be around in the real world.

Get past your man-crush, Brandon-boys, stuck-on-repeat bull**** diatribe and you might find that people might really believe some of what they say in this thread....things like:

1) It sucks that the Broncos won't have him on the field for games that count.
2) Hope that this will serve as a lesson to change his ways
3) Not ready to give up on him.....yet.

[summerdenver]

Cosign.

+1

[broncofan2438]

So what is the word?

[Popps]

You don't hate Brandon nearly as much as you hate those that disagree with your rants.

I don't hate Brandon, and if you "hate" people on message boards, I suggest immediate therapy.

Y Marshall is just the latest fool-du-jour .

Well, you got one thing right.


After eight pages of this thread...the one constant isn't people 'scrambling to apologize for and excuse his behavior'...it's you demonstrating again and again that your issue is more with other people here than it is with Brandon.


Again, it's simple. I've stated it as plainly as I can.

1. No, I do not condone, support or apologize for the actions of a dip**** who screws the team over.

2. No, I am not going to join in the hypocrisy of making excuses for this guy.

Again, all you have to do is tell me you'd be arguing with me if he was a Raider. That's it. Just say it. If he was a Chief, tell me we'd be having this conversation.

[That One Guy]

What's really hillarious is how many of the same people were even arguing that Javon deserved what he got recently merely for showering the crowd in the bar. While Javon was a tool, I don't recall any laws of society that he's ever broken. Even he got more harshly criticized than Marshall is.

[Popps]

What's really hillarious is how many of the same people were even arguing that Javon deserved what he got recently merely for showering the crowd in the bar. While Javon was a tool, I don't recall any laws of society that he's ever broken. Even he got more harshly criticized than Marshall is.

Exactly.

Again, put a Raiders jersey on "B-marsh" and people would be comparing him to Vick and O.J. around here. Guaranteed. You honestly think anyone would be claiming that they couldn't "give up on him" if he wore silver and black?
He'd be a criminal scumbag. But, he's in our colors, so he's just "immature" and we really need to get behind him. People hope he just "grows up."

We went through this same thing with Travis Henry. Hopefully Marshall will learn to be a human being at some point in his life. I was happy to have Henry out of here and hoped the side-show criminal stuff would go away.
No such luck.

[TheReverend]

Maybe just stick with simpler words. Try ones with less letters to avoid future confusion.

Jay Cutler had to call the ****ing guy out in PUBLIC, he was so sick of his circus-act.

Beyond that, if you think this crap doesn't grate on coaches... you simply don't pay attention. Ask the folks in SF and Philly how T.O. effected their team's chemistry. (And soon, you'll be able to ask them in Dallas.)

Again, simple stuff if you're willing to embrace logic, reality and factual information.

You're right, and he's had many posts, including one on this very thread that make perfect sense.

Gosh, sound familiar? Those are the exact same arguments I've put forth on this very thread.

So, if you need help... he's calling out the Brandon ####-worship brigade, choosing to be a fan of the TEAM, not an apologist for the flavor-clown. (C)

Yea, I'm not sure what all that nonsense was. What I do know is that the majority of NFL players and professionals in life can get through a week without being arrested.

Brandon can't keep his dumb ass out of trouble and now he's ****ed his team. If you want to champion this guy, knock yourself out. Just don't ask sensible fans to join you.

Wow, you completely missed the point. Imagine that.

The point is, Hogan has had a consistent view of the situation and not made unsubstantiated claims, like you have, about "team chemistry". Pop open a camp report... he's dominating. If you don't like the OM ones, pop open any of them.

[TheReverend]

What's really hillarious is how many of the same people were even arguing that Javon deserved what he got recently merely for showering the crowd in the bar. While Javon was a tool, I don't recall any laws of society that he's ever broken. Even he got more harshly criticized than Marshall is.

I'll count myself among that, and here's why.

I can identify with drunk driving. It's not smart, but I have done it. I'd guess the majority of posters here have.

I can identify with crazy girls. Also not smart, but I've done it. Once again, I'm sure a lot of guys here have.

I can NOT identify with skipping the funeral of your "best friend" to party in Vegas and then turn it into a media spectacle that's all about "me".

I can NOT identify with shoving blame on everyone around me in every situation I find myself in.

I can NOT identify with an 11 million signing bonus and then sending $30,000 to that slain "best friend's" memory, and prevention fund, while I go spend the same amount nightly to shower people with Dom Perignon.

Any other questions?

[That One Guy]

I'll count myself among that, and here's why.

I can identify with drunk driving. It's not smart, but I have done it. I'd guess the majority of posters here have.

I can identify with crazy girls. Also not smart, but I've done it. Once again, I'm sure a lot of guys here have.

I can NOT identify with skipping the funeral of your "best friend" to party in Vegas and then turn it into a media spectacle that's all about "me".

I can NOT identify with shoving blame on everyone around me in every situation I find myself in.

I can NOT identify with an 11 million signing bonus and then sending $30,000 to that slain "best friend's" memory, and prevention fund, while I go spend the same amount nightly to shower people with Dom Perignon.

Any other questions?

I agree on drinking and driving, I agree on most of it. The simple fact though is that it's all illegal and Javon has the right to give whatever he wants. So he's not a saintly creature full of charity but at least he hasn't broken the law.

Marshall can't stop breaking one here and there.

[TheReverend]

I agree on drinking and driving, I agree on most of it. The simple fact though is that it's all illegal and Javon has the right to give whatever he wants. So he's not a saintly creature full of charity but at least he hasn't broken the law.

Marshall can't stop breaking one here and there.

People who break the law have charges filed against them and get convicted.

DUI pending. Driving without license and proof of insurance.

Oh no!

You wanna put that on the same level of the legal activities Javon has taken part in?

[Popps]

Wow, you completely missed the point. Imagine that.

The point is, Hogan has had a consistent view of the situation and not made unsubstantiated claims, like you have, about "team chemistry". Pop open a camp report... he's dominating. If you don't like the OM ones, pop open any of them.

Again, the fact that he catches footballs in camp is just wonderful. It's a real news flash that Marshall has talent, at this point. Guess what, someone just told me that Terrell Owens caught a ball in his training camp and that HE might have talent. Wow!

I'm sure the team is just thrilled about him missing two key division game. Not like they're going to say anything about it, though.

Oh wait, the LEADER OF THE OFFENSE ALREADY DID call him out in PUBLIC, basically telling him to GROW UP because he was ****ing up team chemistry.

Again, you can take the side of logic and reality here, or you can run in circles to protect the guy. I've chosen my side, as did Hogan.

You've chosen yours.

[dbfan4life]

I can't see BMarsh "the thug" that he's made out to be. Hell, I've had my run-ins with psycho ex's. I've even been the psycho ex before! I've had my share of encounters with law enforcement, too. But, that doesn't define me as a person. You live, you learn. Hopefully BMarsh realizes this just like I had to.

[TheReverend]

Again, the fact that he catches footballs in camp is just wonderful. It's a real news flash that Marshall has talent, at this point.

I'm sure the team is just thrilled about him missing two key division game. Not like they're going to say anything about it, though.

Oh wait, the LEADER OF THE OFFENSE ALREADY DID call him out in PUBLIC, basically telling him to GROW UP because he was ****ing up team chemistry.

Again, you can take the side of logic and reality here, or you can run in circles to protect the guy. I've chosen my side, as did Hogan.

You've chosen yours.

Or you can run around in circles creating arguments condemning this guy.

And what team chemistry was he "****ing up"? You've refered to this MANY times and I'm just dying to see an actual example of how the team has suffered in any way shape or form other than a POSSIBLE two whole game suspension.

[TheReverend]

I can't see BMarsh "the thug" that he's made out to be. Hell, I've had my run-ins with psycho ex's. I've even been the psycho ex before! I've had my share of encounters with law enforcement, too. But, that doesn't define me as a person. You live, you learn. Hopefully BMarsh realizes this just like I had to.

Careful! Now you don't follow "logic or reality" and you're running in circles defending him!

[Popps]

Or you can run around in circles creating arguments condemning this guy.
.

No circles needed. He's a ****-up. The circles are needed if you want to poo-poo what he's done, or kiss his ass. That's your forte.


And what team chemistry was he "****ing up"? You've refered to this MANY times .

Again, chemistry is not a tangible thing. I can't show it to you under a microscope. Perhaps you're new to sports, I don't know. But, when the leader of the team comes out TO THE PRESS, no less... and calls his receiver a ****ing baby, there is a major problem. Now, that same idiot he called out is ****ing his team by missing two key division games.

If you don't believe his teammates are somewhat upset by that, I don't know what to tell you. If you believe that because he caught a football in camp... the staff is just peachy with him getting suspended, you're entitled to your opinion.

You can believe whatever nonsense you want. But, most sensible fans are a little upset with this guy.

[BabyTO]

Poops = :clown:

[Popps]

I can't see BMarsh "the thug" that he's made out to be. Hell, I've had my run-ins with psycho ex's. I've even been the psycho ex before! I've had my share of encounters with law enforcement, too. But, that doesn't define me as a person. You live, you learn. Hopefully BMarsh realizes this just like I had to.

I hope the kid gets his life together. He's clearly had no discipline to speak of.

I can wish Brandon the best... and still think he's a ****ing dope, and still recognize that this **** is not conducive to the greater functioning of the team.

Flag this post for later review....

The funniest thing is going to be when Brandon scores his first touchdown. You're going to have a handful of dopes throwing up threads here saying "SEE POPPS! HE'S AWESOME!!"

As if I ever said the kid didn't have talent.

[Popps]

Poops = :clown:

OMG! Are you going to change your handle while Marshall is on suspension?

:rofl:

How about "I-Still-Heart-Bmarsh"

[TheReverend]

No circles needed. He's a ****-up. The circles are needed if you want to poo-poo what he's done, or kiss his ass. That's your forte.

When you go out of your way to paint a scenario where you actually say Marshall was extremely instrumental in DWills death, yeah YOU are running in circles to make him into a monster instead of a young adult that he is.

Again, chemistry is not a tangible thing. I can't show it to you under a microscope. Perhaps you're new to sports, I don't know. I'm extremely new to sports, thank goodness you're here to guide me with non-stop bull****. But, when the leader of the team comes out TO THE PRESS, no less... and calls his receiver a ****ing baby, Is that a direct quote? Link, please? there is a major problem. Now, that same idiot he called out is ****ing his team by missing two key division games.

And why is it such a big deal? If this were Brandon Marshall the 4th round H-Back Patrick Hape type, you could give 2 ****s about missing 2 games. But this is Brandon Marshall, the guy who gave his heart and soul to the team, became our #1 offensive player, and now that he's done everything he could for the Broncos ON THE FIELD, it's a big deal that he's missing two games. Boohoo for Popps!

If you don't believe his teammates are somewhat upset by that, I don't know what to tell you. If you believe that because he caught a football in camp... the staff is just peachy with him getting suspended, you're entitled to your opinion.

Show me a quote where anyone claimed him missing time is "peachy"? Quit going over the top because you don't have a leg to stand on. Team chemistry is fine. Many people get paid to handle that and none of them are you.

You can believe whatever nonsense you want. But, most sensible fans are a little upset with this guy.

:)

[Popps]

Look, I simply mentioned what one person AT THE SCENE reported, in that Marshall was the one in the beef with the gangsters, not D-will.

Those weren't my words. I wasn't there. Someone who WAS, said Marshall dragged the situation out, outside... and shots were later fired.

Again, not my words... not my implication. It's what an eye-witness said... and eye witness that this board was TOTALLY sympathetic with.....








... until he changed teams.




Then he became a liar. Weird.

[TheReverend]

Look, I simply mentioned what one person AT THE SCENE reported, in that Marshall was the one in the beef with the gangsters, not D-will.

Those weren't my words. I wasn't there. Someone who WAS, said Marshall dragged the situation out, outside... and shots were later fired.

Again, not my words... not my implication. It's what an eye-witness said... and eye witness that this board was TOTALLY sympathetic with.....








... until he changed teams.




Then he became a liar. Weird.

It's very fitting that YOU choose Walker as your witness.

Yeah, you're all about class-acts, aren't ya, Popps?

[Popps]

It's very fitting that YOU choose Walker as your witness.

Yeah, you're all about class-acts, aren't ya, Popps?

Oh, I didn't "choose" him. He spoke publicly.

I realize he switched teams so he's no longer a credible witness. But, the fact remains. He was an eye witness and he spoke publicly.

Sorry, sometimes all the facts don't line up with your fantasy.

[TheReverend]

Oh, I didn't "choose" him. He spoke publicly.

I realize he switched teams so he's no longer a credible witness. But, the fact remains. He was an eye witness and he spoke publicly.

Sorry, sometimes all the facts don't line up with your fantasy.

Switched teams?

Let's see.

Javon leaves GB blaming everyone.
Darrent gets shot.
Javon parties in Vegas instead of attending funeral like rest of team.
Javon then does HBO interview blaming Brandon and making situation about him instead of Darrent and family, even making a "Championship Belt" to attract even more attention.
Javon doesn't get Jay's focus after injury, again blames everyone around him and leaves team.
Javon gets new signing bonus, sprays crowd with Dom (more $ value than he donated to DWill memorial), and then lies to national public about events leading to mugging.

But right... it's because he "switched teams" duhh

[Popps]

Switched teams?

Let's see.

Javon leaves GB blaming everyone.
Darrent gets shot.
Javon parties in Vegas instead of attending funeral like rest of team.
Javon then does HBO interview blaming Brandon and making situation about him instead of Darrent and family, even making a "Championship Belt" to attract even more attention.
Javon doesn't get Jay's focus after injury, again blames everyone around him and leaves team.
Javon gets new signing bonus, sprays crowd with Dom (more $ value than he donated to DWill memorial), and then lies to national public about events leading to mugging.

But right... it's because he "switched teams" duhh


Hey, I'm not defending the kind of person Javon is. In fact, I think he and Brandon are very similar. Brandon just has just managed to get himself arrested more than Javon.

They're very similar guys. Why you choose to hitch your wagon to either is beyond me.

But, again... feel free to fall in love with this guy. I'm not sure why you need my approval for the affair. I have my opinion, you can have yours.

[TheReverend]

Hey, I'm not defending the kind of person Javon is. In fact, I think he and Brandon are very similar. Brandon just has just managed to get himself arrested more than Javon.

They're very similar guys. Why you choose to hitch your wagon to either is beyond me.

But, again... feel free to fall in love with this guy. I'm not sure why you need my approval for the affair. I have my opinion, you can have yours.

You just said the only reason I view Javon as uncredible is because he switched teams. I listed a timeline of his uncredible reputation. YOU hitch your wagon to his statements on Brandon. Bravo genius.

Oh, on team chemistry... do you have Sirius and have you been listening to Broncos camp? Every interview is praising Brandon's character and how he's a phenomenal teammate. Shanahan even called him a team leader and will be for years to come.

By all means though, continue hating and forcing your opinion on others and calling them "son". Wonderfully pleasant path to have chosen for yourself.

[Popps]

You just said the only reason I view Javon as uncredible is because he switched teams.

Well, he's basically the same guy as Brandon with different colors on his jersey. You are in love with Brandon and hate Javon.

What's that math tell you?

YOU hitch your wagon to his statements on Brandon. Bravo genius.

Nah.

Just quoting what an eye witness at the scene said. When you have another eye witness to quote, please let me know. I'll factor in his statements.

Sorry the reality doesn't mesh with your fantasy.


Oh, on team chemistry... do you have Sirius and have you been listening to Broncos camp? Every interview is praising Brandon's character and how he's a phenomenal teammate. Shanahan even called him a team leader and will be for years to come.

Right. We had the same love affair with Henry last off-season. Remember the fluf articles? Shanahan once referred to Kavika Pittman as a "Pro Bowl caliber player."

Again, it's nice that people are saying nice things in public. They said all the same things about Henry. Perhaps Marshall will eventually prove them right.
Right now, he's ****ing the team and the season hasn't even started.

Side show off-season followed by a suspension of two key division games.
Once again, if you applaud that behavior, that's your right.


By all means though, continue hating

Once again, never... used the word hate. That's part of your fantasy-world.


forcing your opinion on others and calling them "son". Wonderfully pleasant path to have chosen for yourself.

My path is fantastic. Sorry you're so torn up that someone on a message board doesn't agree with you. I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're a little sensitive if someone calling you son brings you to using words like hate and attacking people personally.

Maybe take a break for a while.

[TheReverend]

Well, he's basically the same guy as Brandon with different colors on his jersey. You are in love with Brandon and hate Javon.

What's that math tell you?

Other than being black guys that play the same position, by all means give me one example of how they're alike. Being "basically the same guy" that should be extremely easy

Nah.

Just quoting what an eye witness at the scene said. When you have another eye witness to quote, please let me know. I'll factor in his statements.

Sorry the reality doesn't mesh with your fantasy.

Yet you love quoting the "blame everyone but me" Javon Walker reality.

Right. We had the same love affair with Henry last off-season. Remember the fluf articles? Shanahan once referred to Kavika Pittman as a "Pro Bowl caliber player."

Really? Show me one reference where Shanahan refers to Travis as a team leader?

Again, it's nice that people are saying nice things in public. They said all the same things about Henry. Perhaps Marshall will eventually prove them right.
Right now, he's ****ing the team and the season hasn't even started.

Still no suspension levied, and he's brought all-pro talent to the team and rehabed his ass off to be ready FOR THE TEAM. Yeah, he ****ed us real good, huh?

Side show off-season followed by a suspension of two key division games.
Once again, if you applaud that behavior, that's your right.

Side-show? Yeah, that driving without a license sure was embarassing!

Once again, never... used the word hate. That's part of your fantasy-world.

My path is fantastic. Sorry you're so torn up that someone on a message board doesn't agree with you. I'm sure you're a great guy, but you're a little sensitive if someone calling you son brings you to using words like hate and attacking people personally.

Believe me, with how absurd you are and have always been, I'm actually VERY happy you don't agree with me. Can't wait till you have your Marshall flip-flop like you're already prepping yourself for Marcus Thomas

Maybe take a break for a while.

Put on your dunce cap and sit in the corner, clown.

[Popps]

Put on your dunce cap and sit in the corner, clown.

Wow, can we say obsessed!?

I don't think I've read a total of 10 of your posts, and probably for good reason. You've apparently lost some serious sleep over my opinions.

That's not healthy, dude. You need to get yourself well. Try Orangemane rehab or something.

Wow.

I'm almost flattered, but it's too creepy.

[Popps]

Other than being black guys that play the same position, by all means give me one example of how they're alike. Being "basically the same guy" that should be extremely easy

Wow, race is brought into this? That's odd behavior. You want to make a race issue out of this? The fun continues.

As for how they're similar, besides "being black" (because that's important to mention)....

-They've both been riddled with problems despite having great potential
-They're similar style players
-They both like to spray people with booze in public.
-They both have had run-ins with their teams and been called out by either coaches, players or both
-They both sustained injuries in very suspicious situations (putting it mildly)
-Neither of them has demonstrated that they are a true team leader in the Rod Smith mold

So, there are differences. Brandon has been arrested many more times than Javon. Brandon had more DUIs. I don't believe Walker has been accused of stalking.

But... most objective fans would look at them and say they face similar challenges in getting their careers back on track.

[TheReverend]

Wow, can we say obsessed!?

I don't think I've read a total of 10 of your posts, and probably for good reason. You've apparently lost some serious sleep over my opinions.

That's not healthy, dude. You need to get yourself well. Try Orangemane rehab or something.

Wow.

I'm almost flattered, but it's too creepy.

Classic Popps response. Completely beaten on all valid points, so let's deflect the subject to something else.

And you should try reading those posts then. YOU would certainly learn something.

[Popps]

Classic Popps response. Completely beaten on all valid points, so let's deflect the subject to something else.

And you should try reading those posts then. YOU would certainly learn something.

Again, you've offered your opinions in the face of facts and logic.

I've repeated that you're free to live in fantasy world if you'd like.

Most people recognize that Marshall's actions have hurt the team. Why you need my approval to hitch your wagon to the guy is beyond me.

I hope the kid gets it together. I hope he's a productive human being at some point. Right now, he's got serious issues. If you want to deny them or poo-poo them because he's a Bronco, I'm not going to stop you.

Just don't ask me to play pretend-world with you.

[TheReverend]

Other than being black guys that play the same position, by all means give me one example of how they're alike. Being "basically the same guy" that should be extremely easy

Wow, race is brought into this? That's odd behavior. You want to make a race issue out of this? The fun continues.

As for how they're similar, besides "being black" (because that's important to mention)....

It is when you're emphasizing how little they have in common. Something a decently intelligent human being would've picked up on.

-They've both been riddled with problems despite having great potential So all players with injuries are alike? Brandon's didn't cost him anytime...
-They're similar style players That's hilarious
-They both like to spray people with booze in public. Did you dislocate your shoulder reaching that far?
-They both have had run-ins with their teams and been called out by either coaches, players or both You've got to get VERY general to even remotely compare those situations. Contract disputes vs a "McDonald's" bag
-They both sustained injuries in very suspicious situations (putting it mildly) Dislocate your other shoulder?
-Neither of them has demonstrated that they are a true team leader in the Rod Smith mold And at this point in Rod's career he was convicted of battering his wife, and under Goodell would be suspended a lot longer than Brandon... awesome reference!

So, there are differences. Brandon has been arrested many more times than Javon. Brandon had more DUIs. I don't believe Walker has been accused of stalking.

So, there are differences, too. But... most objective fans would look at them and say they face similar challenges in getting their careers back on track.

Hilarious!

[TheReverend]

Again, you've offered your opinions in the face of facts and logic.

I've repeated that you're free to live in fantasy world if you'd like.

Most people recognize that Marshall's actions have hurt the team. Why you need my approval to hitch your wagon to the guy is beyond me.

I hope the kid gets it together. I hope he's a productive human being at some point. Right now, he's got serious issues. If you want to deny them or poo-poo them because he's a Bronco, I'm not going to stop you.

Just don't ask me to play pretend-world with you.

You're right. Our out-of-nowhere, drafted to be an H-back, superstar WR, offensive MVP, and one of our team leaders has done nothing but hurt this team.

Al Pacino: "HE'S TEARING THIS TEAM APART!!!"

[Rabb]

c'mon, hug it out

[Popps]

Reaching? Didn't they both spray people with booze in a club, both to some fairly unwanted results? I'd say spraying people with liquor (whether they like it or not) in a public place is a fairly unique trait.

Walker had run-ins with the front office. Marshall had run-ins with the coaching staff and basically got called a punk by his starting QB to the MEDIA. Both problems. Perhaps slightly different in nature, but problems.

Yea, we all know Rod Smith had a run-in with his wife. We also know he owned it, and his wife vehemently tried to get the charges dropped, and we also know the rest of Rod's history.

As I've stated, I hope for Brandon's case... he turns out as Rod did.

I'm just not going to pretend all of this isn't happening, as you're choosing to do.

Look, Rev. I know you need my approval. It's apparently important to you. You simply can't have me disagreeing with you. So, I'll make it simple for you.

Just say the following, and I'll respect your stance...

"If Marshall was a Raider, I would be defending his character and actions the same as if he were a Bronco."

I'm sure if the Raiders staff said he was a swell guy in training camp, you'd believe it to a T, right?

C'mon, boss. Own your position or don't.

I'm saying he's being a schmuck no matter what team he's own.

Tell the class that you'd defend him just as vehemently if he were a Raider.

[Kaylore]

:TJnPopps:

[Man-Goblin]

Tee hee. Those little guys never run out of green stuff.

[TheReverend]

Reaching? Didn't they both spray people with booze in a club, both to some fairly unwanted results? I'd say spraying people with liquor (whether they like it or not) in a public place is a fairly unique trait.

Walker had run-ins with the front office. Marshall had run-ins with the coaching staff and basically got called a punk by his starting QB to the MEDIA. Both problems. Perhaps slightly different in nature, but problems.

Yea, we all know Rod Smith had a run-in with his wife. We also know he owned it, and his wife vehemently tried to get the charges dropped, and we also know the rest of Rod's history.

As I've stated, I hope for Brandon's case... he turns out as Rod did.

I'm just not going to pretend all of this isn't happening, as you're choosing to do.

Look, Rev. I know you need my approval. It's apparently important to you. You simply can't have me disagreeing with you. So, I'll make it simple for you.

Just say the following, and I'll respect your stance...

"If Marshall was a Raider, I would be defending his character and actions the same as if he were a Bronco."

I'm sure if the Raiders staff said he was a swell guy in training camp, you'd believe it to a T, right?

C'mon, boss. Own your position or don't.

I'm saying he's being a schmuck no matter what team he's own.

Tell the class that you'd defend him just as vehemently if he were a Raider.

Why would I care enough to "vehemently" defend someone on the Raiders or any other team?

I DID say the Pacman suspension was excessive for someone with no convictions. Considering we have current NFL players that actually killed people and never missed a game, it's stupid.

I don't like the new commissioner. The Union NEEDS to take him to task for his interpretations. Everyone wants shiny, polished conduct, but people also want to see their highlight reels Sunday nights. Sometimes, they're not condusive to each other.

And no, I feel much better not having the approval of a clown like you, who hasn't had a decent post in years. I've stayed uninvolved in Marshall threads for about a month, but after watching you try to personally degrade everyone who didn't agree with you in this thread, then yeah, I just wanted to pop in and remind you that you're a jerk-off.

So by all means, don't respect my stance. Because nothing about you deserves any respect. You mention facts... we don't GET facts. We get what hits the newswire and the Denverpost. For someone with an attention span like you, that must be all well and good. Police get the facts. And guess what? How many incidents has he been charged with?

But you're always off to quick snap-judgements without an ounce of facts or truth involved. Two months ago, Marcus Thomas is a piece of **** that doesn't deserve a roster spot. Today you have high hopes for him. Can't wait till you flip-flop on Brandon as well.

[Popps]

W
Two months ago, Marcus Thomas is a piece of **** that doesn't deserve a roster spot. .

Funny fantasy.

Show me where I called him a piece of ****.

Show me where I said he should not be on the roster.

You won't be able to, because I didn't say it.

Talk about just pulling stuff out of your ass. But, I suppose it's all you can do.
You've pretty much talked yourself into a corner, and now it's about insults and fabrications.

Still haven't heard you say you'd defend Marshall if he was Raider. Still waiting. He'd still be a great guy in silver and black... right Rev? C'mon, say it.

[Raiders Rock]

I love to see Donks fight, but I am with Popps on this one, thats one thing I notice on this board more than any board I have seen is the amount of Homers that are here, nobody has a word to say about anyone until he is gone, take Lynch for example, the people that bashed him after his departure is about as low class as I have seen in a while.

[Rabb]

I love to see Donks fight, but I am with Popps on this one, thats one thing I notice on this board more than any board I have seen is the amount of Homers that are here, nobody has a word to say about anyone until he is gone, take Lynch for example, the people that bashed him after his departure is about as low class as I have seen in a while.

I know go figure, homers for the Broncos on a Broncos board

and re: Lynch bashing, I guess I missed it...I know I never bashed the guy

[Popps]

I know go figure, homers for the Broncos on a Broncos board

and re: Lynch bashing, I guess I missed it...I know I never bashed the guy

I didn't see any real bashing. I did see quite a hit of ho-hum about... and some sadness. I honestly expected to see a little more in the way of tribute for him around here, but maybe I held him in higher esteem than most people. He was really one of my favorites over the last decade, despite his short stay.

[Irish Stout]

I didn't see any real bashing. I did see quite a hit of ho-hum about... and some sadness. I honestly expected to see a little more in the way of tribute for him around here, but maybe I held him in higher esteem than most people. He was really one of my favorites over the last decade, despite his short stay.

Lynch was a great player, a great guy, and a genuine leader. His outs with the Broncos left a lot of questions and the way Lynch presented his reasons for leaving to the public left a slightly acrid taste in the mouth for most. It was quite clear that when Lynch came into Denver we had a special player, but one who was looking at the twilight of his career. The seasons Lynch spent with the Broncos were special, but not so special as to be very memorable. Yes, there were hard hits by Lynch and he was one of the few guys on our D who could tackle, but our ability to win football games did not increase exponentially because he was on the field (unlike Marshall).

The reason there hasn't been more tribute, in my opinion, is that people were sad, but more were let down by the way it all went down. Given that and the fact that we've had a lot of good players leave under similar and slightly disheartening scenarios - starting with Atwater, maybe along the lines of Sharpe, Wilson, Pryce, Plummer... people realize more and more every day its a business. Its hard to get too attached to one player when you don't feel your team has met its potential while they were there. And in this case, it was Lynch who wanted out of Denver, not Denver that wanted no more Lynch. For those reasons, people just don't feel like jumping out of there chairs to shake Lynch's hand as he walks out the door. Furthermore, the thought of him going to the Bolts has everyone just a wee bit perturbed I'm sure.

So we say: "Lynch, you were and are a great player. Unfortunately we can no longer afford to start you if we want to win games. We'd love to keep you around, but understand you want to leave. As you say yourself, we did not get a championship while you were here and for that we are all disappointed. Travel well, we're both looking to the future now." And to the future we look, looking back less and less and forgetting more and more what Lynch brought to this team.

Marshall is the future of this team, whether you like it or not. So we are now going to put our emotions on his shoulders... just like you've done. Some of us will try and keep our outlook positive and others will lay blame where they can.

[Popps]

Lynch was a great player

First off... very well put, top to bottom. Don't agree with all of it, but you make your case eloquently.

As for Lynch, I absolutely understand your position and you're probably right, it was fairly unceremonious in the way it went down. It's not uncommon for guys to want to compete for a starting gig, even if their skills may not render them capable. That said, it sure would be nice to know how it really all went down from the inside. Tough to think that Shanahan just flat out said no... and tough to think that Lynch refused to compete. Either way, it was sort of an abrupt, sad end of a guy who's tenure with us should really be celebrated.


Marshall is the future of this team, whether you like it or not.

Assuming he can stay on the field and out of jail, you're right. He's got amazing upside. I love the kid's ability. I was as stoked as anyone to see him emerge.

The problem I have with "keeping a positive attitude" about him is that it's a little hypocritical. We all bash **** ups like Chris Henry and players on other teams in far less trouble than Marshall... but then turn around and "stay positive" about a guy who's a side-circus, forced his QB into calling him out and now is suspended. What's next?

Again, I think it's just a fundamental philosophy issue. Most long-term fans I know don't put up with this stuff. IMO, the better posters around here have spoken pretty clearly on this issue. (Guys like Meck, Dr. B, Kaylore, BMF, Hogan and many others.) If you read the posts of long-time, hardcore fans such as those guys... you hear a tone that runs through their posts. They EXPECT certain things from their players. Not just performance, but level of professionalism. In other words, those kinds of fans are less likely to attempt to put a positive spin on repeated run-ins with the law, goofy non-football injuries, suspensions, etc. Basically, I fall into that category.
I love this team and I DON'T love anything that compromises it.

Can Marshall turn it around? Sure. Will I cheer him when he does? Of course. He's got work to do, though... and until he's there, I'm just not going to be waving his flag, trying to poo-poo what he's done.

Perhaps it's being a dad, too. I'm 39, but my kids are growing into Broncos fans. It probably biases me towards wanting to see decent people on the team. (People, not just players.)

I was proud of the 97-98 team as players and people. Sure, there were incidents, as there always are. But think about that team contrasted with the Cowboys of the 90s... and you see what I mean.

In any case... I don't "hate" Brandon and I think you're smart enough to understand that, even if some others aren't.

The funny part about all of this is... Marshall will only be the "future of this team" (as you put it) if he cleans himself up. That's the only way. Not coincidentally, that's EXACTLY what I'm insisting that the guy do.

Ironic, eh? Or not.

[wolf754life]

its over, popps wins, move along

[Killericon]

HOF thread right here.

P.S.
Anyone who thinks Marshall is the future of the team should be told that Jake Plummer is no longer the starting QB. We brought in a new guy.

[Inkana7]

HOF thread right here.

P.S.
Anyone who thinks Marshall is the future of the team should be told that Jake Plummer is no longer the starting QB. We brought in a new guy.

You're kidding, right?

[Killericon]

You're kidding, right?

Ummm...About Jake Plummer? No, not really. About the HOF thread business? :thanku:

[Ironlung]

How lucky are the que*r a** chargers? They avoid having to face Steve Smith week one, then Brandon Marshall week two. Must be nice. Oh well, its not like they'll win the SB or anything anyhow.

[sixtimeseight]

They are extremely unlucky because they're going to miss their 3 year window to win a championship because they have a replacement-level future journeyman at QB. Things are going to get really lean for them really soon.

[400HZ]

How lucky are the que*r a** chargers? They avoid having to face Steve Smith week one, then Brandon Marshall week two. Must be nice. Oh well, its not like they'll win the SB or anything anyhow.

Eh those games are gonna be blowouts either way. :flower:

[worm]

Eh those games are gonna be blowouts either way. :flower:

I agree that one will...just not the way you think.

[worm]

Assuming he can stay on the field and out of jail, you're right. He's got amazing upside. I love the kid's ability. I was as stoked as anyone to see him emerge.
I doubt you would get an argument from a single Bronco fan.


The problem I have with "keeping a positive attitude" about him is that it's a little hypocritical. We all bash **** ups like Chris Henry and players on other teams in far less trouble than Marshall... but then turn around and "stay positive" about a guy who's a side-circus, forced his QB into calling him out and now is suspended. What's next?
Expecting an entire board of viewpoints to be consistent across many different incidents, teams, players and variables is ridiculous. There will always be a broad spectrum of thoughts, ideas and personal biases.

Regardless...you espousing what you believe in ISN'T the issue. Your problem is that you expect everybody to think like you. If they don't then they are 'idiots', 'stupid', Brandon's boys, have a man-crush and a boatload of comments in almost every one of your posts about their stupidity and your brilliance. All delivered with arrogance. It must be tiring for you holding up those stone tablets all the time.



Again, I think it's just a fundamental philosophy issue. Most long-term fans I know don't put up with this stuff. IMO, the better posters around here have spoken pretty clearly on this issue. (Guys like Meck, Dr. B, Kaylore, BMF, Hogan and many others.) If you read the posts of long-time, hardcore fans such as those guys... you hear a tone that runs through their posts. They EXPECT certain things from their players. Not just performance, but level of professionalism. In other words, those kinds of fans are less likely to attempt to put a positive spin on repeated run-ins with the law, goofy non-football injuries, suspensions, etc. Basically, I fall into that category.
I love this team and I DON'T love anything that compromises it.

Wow dude. Get over yourself. No...Seriously.


Can Marshall turn it around? Sure. Will I cheer him when he does? Of course. He's got work to do, though... and until he's there, I'm just not going to be waving his flag, trying to poo-poo what he's done.

Perhaps it's being a dad, too. I'm 39, but my kids are growing into Broncos fans. It probably biases me towards wanting to see decent people on the team. (People, not just players.)


I sincerely hope that none of your children disappoint you by failing. I am not sure you are equipped to handle it. I hope for their sake that you have more tolerance, forbearance and support towards them than you are willing to demonstrate here.


In any case... I don't "hate" Brandon and I think you're smart enough to understand that, even if some others aren't.
Yes Popps....those that agree with you are smart and those that don't aren't. ::)


The funny part about all of this is... Marshall will only be the "future of this team" (as you put it) if he cleans himself up. That's the only way. Not coincidentally, that's EXACTLY what I'm insisting that the guy do.

Again. EVERYBODY can see that he is on a destructive path...a path that needs to change for him to be a member of this team much less a leader of it. The fact that you think you are the only one (oh and the rest of your 'smart posters' that agree with you) that thinks he needs to change is just not reality.

I have no idea what life has in store for Brandon. What IS clear is that he has some great things going for him (a very rare skillset, a support infrastructure like the Broncos , money)....and he has some challenges as well (a crappy family, a fatal attraction relationship, money).

He might succeed...he might fail....either way I will be pulling for him.

I honestly think I would be pulling for him no matter the color of his jersey. However if he continues to spiral out...I will wish him luck and hope he succeeds with a different team.