If Ramsey has been as bad in camp as has been reported... [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Broncoman13

08-03-2008, 08:37 AM

Hackney has been really good in camp. I think he's going to end up the #2 and while I don't think he can take us to a SB and win it, I do believe that if Jay were to go down in the middle of a game against a middle of the pack team, he could come in and guide us to a win. I don't believe he's good enough to lead us to wins over the Pats, Chargers, or Saints... but if we were playing the Chiefs, Raiders, or Dolphins, he could come in and still get us the win. Pretty much all you can ask for from a back up QB. And, it would save the team money to go with Hackney.

TheChamp24

08-03-2008, 08:37 AM

Are you kidding me?
Do you see Colts worrying about their backup QB?
Or how about Pats worrying about their backup QB?

Hogan11

08-03-2008, 09:20 AM

I just waiting for bring back BVP chants to start.

Local Denver bartenders need the extra cash

The team already has enough guys to play S

montrose

08-03-2008, 09:51 AM

I just waiting for bring back BVP chants to start.

Local Denver bartenders need the extra cash

There were BVP chants in my section yesterday after Ramsey's 2nd pick.

theAPAOps5

08-03-2008, 10:27 AM

That is so Gay. BVP would make Ramsey look like a starter.

kmonty

08-03-2008, 10:41 AM

Are you kidding me?
Do you see Colts worrying about their backup QB?
Or how about Pats worrying about their backup QB?

Luckily they also have two of the best offensive lines in the league. Cutler was getting pummeled out there.

hades

08-03-2008, 11:30 AM

Why not go after Brett? :rofl:

BroncoMan4ever

08-03-2008, 11:49 AM

Are you kidding me?
Do you see Colts worrying about their backup QB?
Or how about Pats worrying about their backup QB?

exactly, teams with elite QB's simply have a backup QB because league rules say a team has to have a number 2 QB in games.

Cito Pelon

08-03-2008, 12:02 PM

There were BVP chants in my section yesterday after Ramsey's 2nd pick.

That's unbelievably insulting. Go to TC to harass a guy?

Atlas

08-03-2008, 12:06 PM

Why haven't we brought Leftwich, or Culpepper, or Holcomb, or Nall, or Rattay to kick the tires? As far as I can tell, either reports of Ramsey's demise are greatly exaggerated, or Hackney's the guy. Does anyone else think we should have another arm in camp?

There hasn't even been a preseason game yet.

wolf754life

08-03-2008, 12:27 PM

what you've done is put yourself between a bullet and a target!

BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 01:12 PM

That is so Gay. BVP would make Ramsey look like a starter.
Thank you very much. :thumbsup:

Ramsey has started slow, but I think he did last year too. Anybody who can start as a rookie - for rookie head coach and noted QB killer Steve Spurrier - in football crazed DC - and not fall flat on his face, has a pretty steely constitution, and is worthy of respect.

Patrick Ramsey reminds me of Kyle Boller ... had a couple-three decent years as a starter, but couldn't q u i t e fill the bill as a fulltime NFL starting quarterback (his career numbers are as good or better than Boller's). And if you jog your memory, Ramsey played really really well vs. Dallas last pre-season, and even played well (under the circumstances) in Detroit.

I think we're fortunate to have him, I think he's a first-class NFL backup with a skill-set that mirrors Jay, and he's smart, an Academic All-America at Tulane, and I hope he'll be Cutler's backup for 10+ years.

Maybe we should mellow out judging players so much these first 6 days of camp ...
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BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 01:14 PM

Ramsey does have very similar numbers to Boller. I'll be that surprises all the haters:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3535/ramseyvsbollersc3.jpg

Los Broncos

08-03-2008, 01:24 PM

Doesn't Ramsey always look bad in camp?

I have more confidence in him than Hackney.

Killericon

08-03-2008, 01:26 PM

Because they suck, suck, retired, already on a team, have a noodle arm.

Nall is an FA. (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency)

Hey, I'm a Ramsey fan, but so far everyone has just been ripping into him in their training camp reports. I don't really know, but I would've thought that we would've brought someone else in.

theAPAOps5

08-03-2008, 01:41 PM

Bronx33

08-03-2008, 01:42 PM

looks like ramsey is a fumbling / INT machine ohhhhh wait his is, we are ****** if cutler goes down.

BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 01:44 PM

looks like ramsey is a fumbling / INT machine ohhhhh wait his is, we are ****** if cutler goes down.
:oyvey: Dude ... I posted the freaking stats above. You're wrong on both counts. :nono:
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elsid13

08-03-2008, 01:46 PM

Thank you very much. :thumbsup:

Ramsey has started slow, but I think he did last year too. Anybody who can start as a rookie - for rookie head coach and noted QB killer Steve Spurrier - in football crazed DC - and not fall flat on his face, has a pretty steely constitution, and is worthy of respect.

Patrick Ramsey reminds me of Kyle Boller ... had a couple-three decent years as a starter, but couldn't q u i t e fill the bill as a fulltime NFL starting quarterback (his career numbers are as good or better than Boller's). And if you jog your memory, Ramsey played really really well vs. Dallas last pre-season, and even played well (under the circumstances) in Detroit.

I think we're fortunate to have him, I think he's a first-class NFL backup with a skill-set that mirrors Jay, and he's smart, an Academic All-America at Tulane, and I hope he'll be Cutler's backup for 10+ years.

Maybe we should mellow out judging players so much these first 6 days of camp ...
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He did fell flat on his face. And when Gibbs came in he lost his job to Brunell who couldn't hit the side of a barn and was shell of real former self. In fact in year 2, Gibbs was looking to replace him after naming him starter, after Brunell stink up the place the previous year. That was on team that was in max protect most of the time.

He also couldn't be beat out an injuried weak arm Pendington in NY. Like last year if Ramsey comes in, were shooting for a top 5 draft pick!

His claim to fame is the Danny Synder personnel scouted him and fell in love with big arm. Danny Synder that never played in the league, never had in NFL personnel experience.

Bronx33

08-03-2008, 01:46 PM

:oyvey: Dude ... I posted the freaking stats above. You're wrong on both counts. :nono:
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huh? 24 nfl games with 30 ints and 27 fumbles that sir is a turnover machine and hes allllllllll ours. Ha!

BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 02:19 PM

huh?
What's not to get? If you wanna call Ramsey an "Int and fumble machine," you gotta call Boller the same thing. Ramsey's QB rating is very respectable.

Besides, I never said he was a proper starter, in fact I said quite the opposite - that he was not quite an NFL caliber starter, but he's a very good backup. Didn't you see last pre-season against Dallas, or the Detroit game? That Lions game was perhaps the worst imagineable situation for a backup to come into ... and he had an excellent game, drove the ball down numerous times. You wanna laugh at the Rogers pick, sure. But that was more happenstance than anything else. Look, it was his only game last year, and it was the classic Broncos blowout scenario ... on the road in a dome. And yet he threw 29/46 262 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int and 1 fumble lost. In those circumstances, that is VERY respectable. Sorry if you can't see that.
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BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 02:24 PM

huh? 24 nfl games with 30 ints and 27 fumbles that sir is a turnover machine and hes allllllllll ours. Ha!
Dude ... are you math-impaired or something? There's no 24 games anywhere ... and you NEVER count QB's fumbles, because they get a fumble stat on all botched snaps. You gotta count fumbles LOST.

Now ... I compared him to Boller ... and Boller is MUCH WORSE on turnovers than Ramsey. He has (well, I'll do the math for you), 63 turnovers in 53 games. Ramsey has 36 turnovers in 43 games.

Now, you were saying?
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Bronx33

08-03-2008, 02:38 PM

Dude ... are you math-impaired or something? There's no 24 games anywhere ... and you NEVER count QB's fumbles, because they get a fumble stat on all botched snaps. You gotta count fumbles LOST.

Now ... I compared him to Boller ... and Boller is MUCH WORSE on turnovers than Ramsey. He has (well, I'll do the math for you), 63 turnovers in 53 games. Ramsey has 36 turnovers in 43 games.

Now, you were saying?
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Great ramsey is better than boller Hilarious! and why do you have to be a douchebag did i shoot your dog or something? i counted the games he started meaning games he had complete control from start to finish i cut him some slack on games he had to take over for the starter.

BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 03:02 PM

Great ramsey is better than boller Hilarious! and why do you have to be a douchebag did i shoot your dog or something? i counted the games he started meaning games he had complete control from start to finish i cut him some slack on games he had to take over for the starter.
Don't mean to be a dooosh, I just don't like when people misunderstand topics like backup QBs. And this thread is filled with misunderstanding of the value and role of a backup QB, including you. Doesn't it mean anything to you that Shanahan brought in ZERO QBs this year? Well that MEANS something if you care to look. The only other year he did that was when Buerlein was the backup.

Suffice to say that Ramsey will be our backup for however long he stays under contract, and Shanahan won't bring in anybody to push him. If you wanna insist, I'll give you 5 to 1 odds :wiggle: .... (proceeds go to the OrangeMane).

Oh, and elsid is very wrong about both Brunell and Ramsey in Washington. Brunell was terrific in Washington, just old. In fact, he was so NOT washed up, that in both '05 and '06 his QB-rating was higher than his career average ... he even got some nominal buzz at midseason '05 for NFL MVP (two years after you called him a shell). That's just the facts. He was NAILS in 2005 ... in the year we went 13-3, he was an Ian Gold fingernail away from beating us in Invesco. Again, hat's just a fact:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2946/brunellkw3.jpg

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BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 03:07 PM

Why haven't we brought Leftwich, or Culpepper, or Holcomb, or Nall, or Rattay in to kick the tires?
Because Patrick Ramsey is a very good backup, whome we're lucky to have, that's why. Would you prefer BVP? Maybe matt Mauck would serve you ... Dany Kanell? Is this sinking in?

Does anyone else think we should have another arm in camp?
Only those who don't understand the role and market for backup QBs in the National Football League.
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BroncsRule

08-03-2008, 03:15 PM

Thank you very much. :thumbsup:

Ramsey has started slow, but I think he did last year too. Anybody who can start as a rookie - for rookie head coach and noted QB killer Steve Spurrier - in football crazed DC - and not fall flat on his face, has a pretty steely constitution, and is worthy of respect.

Patrick Ramsey reminds me of Kyle Boller ... had a couple-three decent years as a starter, but couldn't q u i t e fill the bill as a fulltime NFL starting quarterback (his career numbers are as good or better than Boller's). And if you jog your memory, Ramsey played really really well vs. Dallas last pre-season, and even played well (under the circumstances) in Detroit.

I think we're fortunate to have him, I think he's a first-class NFL backup with a skill-set that mirrors Jay, and he's smart, an Academic All-America at Tulane, and I hope he'll be Cutler's backup for 10+ years.

Maybe we should mellow out judging players so much these first 6 days of camp ...
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These were exactly my sentiments last year when we signed him.

I was kind of hoping for some progression from a 7 year vet in his second season in the system. Not ready to flush him yet - wait and see what he does in preseason games. But the camp reports are discouraging.

Tombstone RJ

08-03-2008, 04:03 PM

Does anyone have access to some kind of article that shows how Kubiak did in training camp? Was he good, bad, so-so?

Fact is, it's probably not all that important that the designated backup QB perform well in training camp. Ramsey may just be at a stage in his career where he understands his roll. He is the back up, he's not a gunslinger who moves the ball up and down the field, displaying his skillzzz. As long as he knows the offense, his job is simple: know your place, and play well when you are called into the game due to an injury to the starting QB.

In preseason games, this is where Ramsey will shine. I seriously doubt the Broncos will cut him, unless he has a crappy attitude, and plays poorly in the preseason games.

elsid13

08-03-2008, 06:54 PM

Oh, and elsid is very wrong about both Brunell and Ramsey in Washington. Brunell was terrific in Washington, just old. In fact, he was so NOT washed up, that in both '05 and '06 his QB-rating was higher than his career average ... he even got some nominal buzz at midseason '05 for NFL MVP (two years after you called him a shell). That's just the facts. He was NAILS in 2005 ... in the year we went 13-3, he was an Ian Gold fingernail away from beating us in Invesco. Again, hat's just a fact:

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your butt. Brunell was horrible his first season in DC, and so-so his second. He completion rate was high because all he could was throw check downs. You evidently didn't watch any of the games, but trust me living in DC when I say Brunell sucked and Ramsey was worse. The skins laugh when you tell them Ramsey is Denver back-up.

Kaylore

08-03-2008, 07:12 PM

I'd rather have Danny Kannell than Byron Leftwich.

BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 08:02 PM

I'd rather have Danny Kannell than Byron Leftwich.
I'd rather have Patrick Ramsey than either one.

In fact, Patrick Ramsey is the Broncos BEST BACKUP QB since Gary Kubiak, with the exception of that one year Frerotte was the backup. And I suppose arguably Brister was about as good, but he was backup for one of the greatest offenses in the history of the game. Geez, Khan or I couldda won a few games under center for the '96-'98 Broncos. ;D
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BroncoBuff

08-03-2008, 08:08 PM

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your butt. Brunell was horrible his first season in DC, and so-so his second. He completion rate was high because all he could was throw check downs. You evidently didn't watch any of the games, but trust me living in DC when I say Brunell sucked and Ramsey was worse. The skins laugh when you tell them Ramsey is Denver back-up.
"so-so his second"?! Man, all you gotta do is look ... the stats are a few posts above ^^^. Yes, it looks like he really s***ed his first year. Nine starts, but just 7 TDs and a putrid 49 rating :oyvey: But elsid you simply cannot argue with the fact that Brunell's QB ratings in both 05 and 06 were higher than his career average rating. That's no joke, and he played great. But at 37, you're not going anywhere with him ... and THANK GOD Gibbs realized that, or else we wouldn't have Jay Cutler! ;D

I love happy endings ....
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broncogary

08-03-2008, 08:08 PM

Inkana7

08-03-2008, 08:51 PM

The Mane's eye for talent has something very wrong with it if we're calling for Craig Nall.

elsid13

08-03-2008, 09:25 PM

"so-so his second"?! Man, all you gotta do is look ... the stats are a few posts above ^^^. Yes, it looks like he really s***ed his first year. Nine starts, but just 7 TDs and a putrid 49 rating :oyvey: But elsid you simply cannot argue with the fact that Brunell's QB ratings in both 05 and 06 were higher than his career average rating. That's no joke, and he played great. But at 37, you're not going anywhere with him ... and THANK GOD Gibbs realized that, or else we wouldn't have Jay Cutler! ;D

I love happy endings ....
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Dude stats don't mean ****, the guy sucked. Did you watch any of his games??? Yes or No?

Bronx33

08-03-2008, 09:31 PM

I'd rather have Danny Kannell than Byron Leftwich.

May god strike you down..

Bronx33

08-03-2008, 09:39 PM

I'd rather have Patrick Ramsey than either one.

In fact, Patrick Ramsey is the Broncos BEST BACKUP QB since Gary Kubiak, with the exception of that one year Frerotte was the backup. And I suppose arguably Brister was about as good, but he was backup for one of the greatest offenses in the history of the game. Geez, Khan or I couldda won a few games under center for the '96-'98 Broncos. ;D
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How many snaps has this guy had as bronco how many games has he won or helped finish as a W? i will let you tell me since my math is so poor. :clown: and i remember brister winning a few games when we really needed him too ( elway injury?) so how is ramsey better than brister?

TDmvp

08-04-2008, 03:38 AM

i really thought Byron Leftwich was going to be good coming out of college ... Kinda bums me out that he went down hill so fast ...

CHANGSTER

08-04-2008, 04:49 AM

I'd rather have Patrick Ramsey than either one.

In fact, Patrick Ramsey is the Broncos BEST BACKUP QB since Gary Kubiak, with the exception of that one year Frerotte was the backup. And I suppose arguably Brister was about as good, but he was backup for one of the greatest offenses in the history of the game. Geez, Khan or I couldda won a few games under center for the '96-'98 Broncos. ;D
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Knocking Brister? Shame! He was Definitely a better back up than Ramsey.

And technically Plummer was the best back up we've had since Kubes.

Hogan11

08-04-2008, 07:40 AM

Sign him up!

:haw!:

At least you'd know for sure who'd lead the pledge drives in the clubhouse for players fines then ROFL!

2KBack

08-04-2008, 08:03 AM

Northman

08-04-2008, 08:04 AM

Why haven't we brought Leftwich, or Culpepper, or Holcomb, or Nall, or Rattay in to kick the tires? As far as I can tell, either reports of Ramsey's demise are greatly exaggerated, or Hackney's the guy. Does anyone else think we should have another arm in camp?

Maybe its because all those guys suck just as bad?

elsid13

08-04-2008, 04:28 PM

Which Skins fans are you talking to? All the ones I know around here were pissed at how Ramsey was treated and think that signing and playing Brunell set the franchise back years. It was the first time I've ever heard redskins fans start questioning Gibbs.

Guys that had season tickets since the 70s. What set the franchise back was Synder picking Ramsey and hiring Spurrier to coach him.

Killericon

08-04-2008, 05:59 PM

Guys that had season tickets since the 70s. What set the franchise back was Synder picking Ramsey and hiring Spurrier to coach him.

God ****ing dammit, this bull**** pisses me off. You say "Guys that had season tickets since the 70s." as if it's some sort of trump card. As if people who have had season's tickets since the 70's are a far more reliable source than most fans. As if all the people who have had tickets that long are knowledgeable guys. As if what they say must be true. As if they ever have a unified voice. As if it's not a matter of opinion. As if it's so simple an issue.

As if how good of a fan or how smart you are in matter you are is directly related to how long you've been a fan. **** that ****. I've only been a football fan for about 5-6 years, and I'm a die-hard fan. Maybe it's just because I live in Canada, and rarely come across NFL fans nearly as hardcore as I am, but I think I'm a pretty good fan, and that I know what I'm talking about a pretty good portion of the time, and I'm only 18. Screw off with the elitism bull****, please.

elsid13

08-04-2008, 06:10 PM

God ****ing dammit, this bull**** pisses me off. You say "Guys that had season tickets since the 70s." as if it's some sort of trump card. As if people who have had season's tickets since the 70's are a far more reliable source than most fans. As if all the people who have had tickets that long are knowledgeable guys. As if what they say must be true. As if they ever have a unified voice. As if it's not a matter of opinion. As if it's so simple an issue.

As if how good of a fan or how smart you are in matter you are is directly related to how long you've been a fan. **** that ****. I've only been a football fan for about 5-6 years, and I'm a die-hard fan. Maybe it's just because I live in Canada, and rarely come across NFL fans nearly as hardcore as I am, but I think I'm a pretty good fan, and that I know what I'm talking about a pretty good portion of the time, and I'm only 18. Screw off with the elitism bull****, please.

You're rant over, or are you still going for the Mane Award this year???

I answered his questions about who I was talking to. I still stand by claim Ramsey sucks! Go ask the idiots over Extreme Skins if you want.

Bronx33

08-04-2008, 06:40 PM

Knocking Brister? Shame! He was Definitely a better back up than Ramsey.
And technically Plummer was the best back up we've had since Kubes.

I fully agree ramsey is simply the best ( i use the term lightly) available back up and is still here only because he knows shanahans playbook lets pray to god his feet never have to hit the field, i hope iam wrong but i have never liked the guy as a QB what has he done for the broncos other than learn a complicated playbook. Brister atleast won a few games to keep the ball rolling with elway injured if i remember correctly.

hambone13

08-04-2008, 06:42 PM

That is so Gay. BVP would make Ramsey look like a starter.

The guys should have taken the offer to invest in him trying to make the transition to safety. I think he might have had that in him....

elsid13

08-04-2008, 06:42 PM

I fully agree ramsey is simply the best ( i use the term lightly) available back up and is still here only because he knows shanahans playbook lets pray to god his feet never have to hit the field, i hope iam wrong but i have never liked the guy as a QB what has he done for the broncos other than learn a complicated playbook.

You're assuming that he has learned the playbook. We don't know because we aren't in the meetings.

UboBronco

08-04-2008, 06:46 PM

The only QB that I would look at if the Bucs let him go is Chris Simms...
Always thought he would be good in our system..

But I can definitely live having Ramsey around as the main backup for many years.

hambone13

08-04-2008, 06:49 PM

Its not that I hate him its just when I have been at camp he has made abysmal passes. His INT's in camp have been horrid. Think Jay Cutler in the San Fran game playing with a concussion bad.

But lets face it if Cutler goes down any hopes for this season go with it so does it really matter who is number 2.

Shouldn't the back-up be out in Atlanta with the boys in the off season? Since he wasn't, he's just warming up. I find it almost obvious that Ramsey's a back up cause he wants to be....steady, mediocre and likes it there....shouldn't take that much to understand someone being happy there. I like the fact that he's been a starter and perhaps doesn't want the pressure of the FT job behind a potential future star. I think he's just gotta work out the kinks of his off-season soccer dad responsibilities. Maybe he could be our kicker?

BroncoBuff

08-04-2008, 09:05 PM

But I can definitely live having Ramsey around as the main backup for many years.
What? Haven't you read elsid's and Bronx33's posts here? Ramsey is no good, and he'll be cut any minute. We haven't brought anybody in yet ... but we will. The only reason Ramsey hasn't been cut already is we need a guy to throw in practice, otherwise he would have been cut already.

theAPAOps5

08-04-2008, 09:07 PM

Shouldn't the back-up be out in Atlanta with the boys in the off season? Since he wasn't, he's just warming up. I find it almost obvious that Ramsey's a back up cause he wants to be....steady, mediocre and likes it there....shouldn't take that much to understand someone being happy there. I like the fact that he's been a starter and perhaps doesn't want the pressure of the FT job behind a potential future star. I think he's just gotta work out the kinks of his off-season soccer dad responsibilities. Maybe he could be our kicker?

I'm not arguing that they bring in other guys. I am saying that no matter what if Cutler goes down so does our season.

Killericon

08-04-2008, 09:26 PM

You're rant over, or are you still going for the Mane Award this year???

I answered his questions about who I was talking to. I still stand by claim Ramsey sucks! Go ask the idiots over Extreme Skins if you want.

Yeah, sorry about that. I just seem to get a lot of **** for being a greenhorn fan, and the way you phrased it kind of ticked me off.

As far as Ramsey is concerned, I like the guy. It just seemed that everyone was ripping into him pretty hardcore in the camp reports, and I was wondering if anyone thought he should be replaced. I think I have my answer(I'm glad to have kicked up this much discussion, though).

Rausch 2.0

08-04-2008, 09:45 PM

I'm not arguing that they bring in other guys. I am saying that no matter what if Cutler goes down so does our season.

Pshaw. I was reassured not long ago that you guys had the best starter/backup QB tandem in the league.

theAPAOps5

08-04-2008, 10:00 PM

Pshaw. I was reassured not long ago that you guys had the best starter/backup QB tandem in the league.

Got a link to that?

BroncoBuff

08-05-2008, 12:26 PM

Dude stats don't mean ****, the guy sucked. Did you watch any of his games??? Yes or No?
Wow ... right in my wheelhouse, thanks.

Since you asked .... I have undoubtedly seen more of Patrick Ramsey than anybody on this Board other than Redskins fans. In 2002 I was in a large fantasy league in LA, and when Spurrier FINALLY benched his Gator sycophants Danny Wuerffel and Shane Matthews (neither played another down after that season) and started rookie Patrick Ramsey, I picked him up as my backup QB. I had Sunday Ticket back then (actually every year until this one), and because the Broncos play late, I saw every down Ramsey played. I drafted him in 2003 too.

Here's the real story: Ramsey's problem was never turnovers, his biggest problems were, a) Holding onto the ball and taking sacks, b) Horrible offensive line, and c) The Gator clique. I recall Verne Lundquist talking about how Spurrier and Wuerffel and Matthews were a close-knit trio, and when Snyder forced the issue of Ramsey starting, they resented it. I did notice that when Ramsey came to the sidelines, Wuerffel and Matthews did not join the conversation.

elsid, I can't believe you say "stats don't mean ***." You really think that? :oyvey: Well, you can read them, so read these. I didn't see his first two starts early in the year, he was obviously awful, sacked a ridiculous 6 and 7 times, and the defense gave up ungodly points. But when he was named starter later and I picked him up, he looked damn good, especially for a rookie. His first start for my fantasy team was on the road against the Eagles, and he was NAILS. They lost because of the defense ... but Ramsey won the last two games of the season. Numbers don't lie:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1862/ramseyrookiewj9.jpg

He started in 2003 from Week 1, but it was a crazy "Spurrier Watch" all year. Other than lots of sacks, he was excellent early, starting 3-2, all close games. But the wheels came off against Tampa when the Bucs defense - in its awesome peak prime - just destroyed them. Spurrier melted down after that, starting 3 diferent QBs. But Ranmsey finished with a respectable 14-9 TD to interception and a 75 rating:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/302/ramsey2ndum4.jpg

The next year Gibbs came in and Brunell came with him. And completely contrary to elsid's nonsense, Brunell was EXCELLENT in '05 - like I said he came an Ian Gold fingenail from beating the 13-3 Broncos in Invesco - and his cumulative Redskins QB efficiency rating was HIGHER than his career average:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2946/brunellkw3.jpg

Finally elsid ... killericon is right, you can't just say "guys who've had tickets since the 70s" like that makes them experts or something. MileHighMojo has been a Broncos fan since the 60s .... I rest my case.

BroncoBuff

08-05-2008, 12:27 PM

How many snaps has this guy had as bronco how many games has he won or helped finish as a W? i will let you tell me since my math is so poor. :clown: and i remember brister winning a few games when we really needed him too ( elway injury?) so how is ramsey better than brister?Knocking Brister? Shame! He was Definitely a better back up than Ramsey. And technically Plummer was the best back up we've had since Kubes.Well, I suppose Plummer was a backup for half a season or so, but I wasn't actually counting him. And Brister, really guys? Brister?! I've got two concepts for you: 1) Top 5 offense in the history of football, and 2) couldn't beat out a churlish 2nd-year Brian Griese when handed the keys to the Ferrari on a silver platter.

No, Gus Frerotte was definitely our best backup since Kubiak, and I suppoooose Plummer was 2nd. Buerlein was about 3rd (although he never actually played well when called on in games), and Ramsey is third or fourth.

Ramsey played very well in what little time he played last year. Against the Cowboys in pre-season he was very good (131 QB Rating), and in Detroit he proved his mettle as a serious backup - to me, anyway. You can laugh all you want about the Shaun Rogers TD, I'll even laugh with you. But that was the worst imagineable situation for any QB to come into ... a Broncos road blowout in an early game on turf. And yet, he played damn well: 29-46 262 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT (Rogers). You gotta realize the situation was WAY out of hand when he came in, and he calmed the offense and really moved the ball. On a horrible day, at least the silver lining was that we had our long-term Cutler backup.

Which Skins fans are you talking to? All the ones I know around here were pissed at how Ramsey was treated and think that signing and playing Brunell set the franchise back years. It was the first time I've ever heard redskins fans start questioning Gibbs.
Thank you VERY much ... this is exactly correct.

Look, I don't deny Ramsey looks crappy in camp this first week, and it bugs me a lot. I think he's a quiet guy basically, and very smart. He was an academic All-America and played his entire senior season after he had basically already graduated at Tulane. I wish he would have gone with the guys to Atlanta in the offseason, but he has a wife and kids, and that trip was a single guys trip ... even Scheffler left early because of family things.

I guess the knockout blow to win this for me ... the trump card is: Shanahan brought in ZERO other quarterbacks this camp. That means something, if you care to look. It means Shanahan himself says I win this argument ;D

Bronx33

08-05-2008, 01:30 PM

Well we will get to see if the guy every hits the field (god forbid) and what exacty did you win? i don't care that the guy is smart it has zero to do with QB skills the guy has proven absolutely squat to me other than he can learn a playbook. Why is he not a starting QB somewhere if hes so good? sure a few skins fans are saying (would shoulda coulda) when brunell failed what the hell else are they going to blame it on they are football fans for christ sakes lol. Iam going to say shanahan didn't pick up another back up based on (ramsey knows the playbook) it takes time to learn it also who the hell else was there that was worth picking up? (who?) and to top it off give him the time to learn the playbook? (no brainer) keep ramsey.

When ramsey hits the field we can say who won until then it's just a matter of opinion.