ApaOps5 goes to camp with Kaylor - Media Access - August 2, 2008

[theAPAOps5]

Okay camp report coming soon, along with pictures. Kaylor wrote the notes and I took the pics. We were able to get media access so we got press access.

Report and Pics to follow.

[PLOWHORSE]

Suwheeet! Good to see you guys teaming up together...Cant wait.

[Bronx33]

say his to fred for me.

[theAPAOps5]

say his to fred for me.

Fred was giving us **** asking who we were. We told him and he said what is that. I said its online on the internet. Something for us kids. It was awesome!

[Inkana7]

Good ol' Fred.

[theAPAOps5]

Pics are being uploaded now its going to take a while.

[Bronx33]

Thanks APA and chris..

[theAPAOps5]

Okay so I am uploading super huge files and that will take all day. I did 5 just to test and will share them. Then I will upload smaller and get it for you guys.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208049.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208109.jpg

[wolf754life]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208109.jpg

:notworthy everyone on their knees, bow down to the greatness that is 1 playoff win since january 1999.

[snowspot66]

Stop spamming dumb ass.

[theAPAOps5]

:notworthy everyone on their knees, bow down to the greatness that is 1 playoff win since january 1999.

keep this off my thread

[Los Broncos]

Cool pic of Marshall.

[Kaylore]

Hello everyone. I was able to meet up with Apa and we did get press credentials (though not without some minor trouble). Nevertheless we made it and even were able to meet up with Montrose and the guy that does the Mile High Report during todays practice.

Because today was the last practice before the team got the next day and a half off (no evening practice today and no Sunday practice) this was more spirited than usual. Let's get right to the report.

Defensive Alignment. Ok as promised I paid especially close attention to the defensive alignments as well as zone versus man coverage depending on the down and distance. So far it appears we have a base D and a nickel D and that is pretty much it. Lest I embarrass myself with my awkward use of defense nomenclature, I have instead designed out the defensive fronts as they appeared.

Here is the Base defense:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/306/baseuo4.png
This was used pretty much every first down and every running down. Engleberger played LDE and Dumervil RDE.

Here is their nickel package:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2908/nickellg3.png

This would take out the Mike and replace it with Foxworth.

We ran an overwhelming amount of zone coverage. It was almost entirely a traditional cover 2 defense. There were a few cases on blitzes when they would go to a cover 1. On one play it appeared that everyone played zone except for the corners as both tracked their receivers in out of other defender's zones. It was hard to tell if this just appeared this way or not.

Regardless, you can tell by this defense that they are putting an incredible emphasis on the run this year. This makes sense as it was our biggest weakness last year.

I want to point out that during install we so much more flavorful and exciting packages getting put in, but these are for later when preseason is winding down and all the press and the crowds go away. I'm sure TheReverend and Mediator12 can elaborate further based on the alignments I've presented. We also had Apa take some pre-snap photos to show some of the other looks that were shown.

[Inkana7]

Why is the "W", which I'm assuming is weakside LB, lining up on the strong side?

[theAPAOps5]

I am still uploading pictures. I will start posting what I have:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208008.jpg

[Los Broncos]

Why is the "W", which I'm assuming is weakside LB, lining up on the strong side?

Same thing I was thinking.

[theAPAOps5]

Clady is huge. When you stand right next to him it is amazing:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208016.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Nalen won't talk to media on the record much but you learn that he is friends with most the media:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208020.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Another of Clady:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208017.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Foxworth and Champ:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208087.jpg

[Los Broncos]

More cool pics, sweet.

[theAPAOps5]

More uploading

[theAPAOps5]

Sheffler

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208002.jpg

Stokely was giving Royal dance tips because he was leading it today:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208003.jpg

[Kaylore]

Now to my traditional report.

Quarterbacks: I am extremely excited about Cutler. He looks really comfortable and he is starting to really make strides. The big observations I noticed with him were that he is consistently stepping up into the pocket and even taking a few steps through it to but more time and let the offensive line wash the defenders out of the play. Plummer was very good at this and the other benefit is when a QB steps up into the pocket, it tends to force you to throw off the correct foot as you are moving forward. He is much better than he was last Saturday at looking off targets. I saw him stare down two targets and both were him waiting for them to get open and were good reads and great throws. The later was on a deep post on third and six where he picked up a 20+ yard gain on a great throw to Stokely. He still has some issues with allowing defensive linemen to read his eyes and bat passes down at the line. A pump fake or two would help with this.

Patrick Ramsey is the third best QB in camp. His throws are off, his timing is average and he gets intercepted most of all three QB's. His release is horribly slow as well.

Hackney is very impressive. He makes some of the best touch throws of the three QB's and you can tell he "gets" the system. He understands where he wants to go with the ball. My only knock on him is his height makes him really struggle when pressure is in his face.

Receivers: Marshall just destroyed today. You can tell he's back in football shape. He didn't take many knees. There were a few plays where he just flat beat his guy. On jump balls Marshall wins every time. In the red zone Marshall wins. On one play Foxworth had good coverage and after Marshall bobbled the ball he batted it back to himself. The best was a very tight coverage in the endzone that Cutler made the perfect throw on what appeared to be a drag route and Marshall scooped it up for the TD. He was visibly excited about this. Brandon Stokely is not garnering any attention, but he is the least coverable of all the receivers. His consistency and ability to make things easier on the QB's (no matter who is throwing) is taken for granted by the fans and media. Eddie Royal looked ok, but nothing all that impressive, at least from what I was looking at.

Matt Prater: Matt Prater made every kick. They kicked from both hashes starting at the 35 and moved back 5-7 yards until he made his final kick, a 68 yarder, to a booming applause. At the end of the day, during a hurry up drill where they needed a field goal in 1:00, Cutler moved them down field and then with 3 seconds left they stopped the clock and Prater nailed it from what looked like 48 yards. It was some very clutch kicking and everyone was ecstatic. If he can be somewhere close to as good as he was today we won't even think twice about Elam.

Offensive Linemen: Ryan Clady has been the most consistent player in camp. Even Champ has had Marshall occasionally get the better of him. Clady has been solid the entire time. What impresses most about Clady is how easy he makes it look. No one gets the better of him consistently. Ryan Harris is much better than he was last Saturday. He is giving less ground, is keeping his pad level low and holding leverage much better. I was actually impressed with him, especially considering his performance a week ago. I'm still impressed with Polumbus as well. Tyler is an extremely large man that moves better than you would think he does. Wiegman is doing ok at Center but he tends to get overpowered on occasion. Chris Kuper is doing much better than I thought he would. He is learning to use his wrapped hand to punch since he can't grab with it, and all things considered I think this will make a him a more rounded player when he gets healthy.

[theAPAOps5]

I love this Pic:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208081.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Another of Champ:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208085.jpg

Defensive Lineup:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208075.jpg

[summerdenver]

Thanks K. Great report as usual.

How do you compare this team to last year's unit in general and cutler in particular?

[Kaylore]

Secondary: Bailey got the better of Marshall today. He really struggled to get open on him. It's been nice to see them battle back and forth. Bly played well, but Foxworth has really come on of late. He had another interception today, but it was on a horrible throw by Patrick Ramsey. Josh Barret had some nice plays. There are still moments when he hesitates and the play develops past him. I think as things slow down he will be a better player in this regard. JMFW had several great plays, even defending a TD in the redzone on one throw. He plays very physical and this helps keep the receivers off their game. Paymah hasn't looked as good. It is very clear right now that the gap between Paymah and Foxworth is looking more like a chasm. McCree looks ok, but nothing amazing. He will do ok in our system.

Defensive Linemen: Dumervil actually blew up a running play int he backfield today. He is getting better at playing both ways, though his mass will always limit what he can do against a power running game. Moss had some nice moments and well and he is starting to take snaps on the first team. Mallard had a good day practice drawing high praise. Marcus Thomas is getting more comfortable in the system and the speed of the game is slowing down for him. I would say that the pressure on the offensive line overall was very good today.

Running backs: Ryan Torain had the best runs of the day followed by Andre Hall. Torain reminds me of Shaun Alexander. He doesn't waste a lot of movement, but he's shiftier than he looks. He doesn't use a lot of jukes or spins, it's mostly side-steps and stiff arms. Most importantly he always falls forward. In pass-pro he has some trouble recognizing what he should do. This will need to be worked on. Andre Hall also had a great day. He some very impressive runs and in protections was throwing himself at the guys full throttle. I know people aren't as high on him, but he looks very good and the staff like him, so keep an eye on him. Selvin Young did ok, but I didn't notice him too much.

Linebackers: Webster plays pretty jacked up. When he walked onto the field in the morning, he let out a loud scream. Boss was still out and early on Webster and DJ got yelled at for over-pursuit. They redeemed themselves later with some aggressive plays that helped shut things down. The zone defense we're using is pretty effective against the pass. We have a lot of LB's that can run right now. DJ dropped an int that the D tipped to him.

Tight Ends: So far Nate Jackson takes more snaps on the first team than Scheffler. I think this is just camp mind games. Jackson has made some nice plays, and Graham even caught as well as a nice pickup when Cutler checked to him on a blitz. Scheffler is the best true receiver of the bunch. On one play he caught a 40 yard TD pass during move the ball that ended the whole drill just as it was getting started. He can just run by guys and make it look like he's barely running at all.

Overall it was a good practice. There are still some weaknesses at backer and the offensive line getting gashed on occasion leads me to believe there will be some growing pains there. I am quite curious how we are going to match up against the Cowboys.

[broncofan2438]

Great Kaylore, I get so pumped reading your posts

[theAPAOps5]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208076.jpg

Defense:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208076.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Marshall vs Champ:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208053.jpg

[Kaylore]

Thanks K. Great report as usual.

How do you compare this team to last year's unit in general and cutler in particular?

The biggest difference is that the players have confidence in what they are doing. Last year there was disconnect between the coach, the scheme and the players last year and that let to too much thinking, which led to hesitation and a lack of confidence. Right now the guys know their job when they line up and this lets them explode into their assignment without having to process things cerebrally. You can see the confidence on the field. It doesn't necessarily mean this defense is going to be top five, but a confident team plays better than they are and having everyone on the same page is going to make a huge difference.

On offense there is confidence in Marshall and Cutler's abilities. Cutler especially has more of a swagger and he is ten times more intense on the field than he was last year. Marshall actually looks like he's been humbled a bit. He plays like a monster but he's very quiet when he isn't playing and just stands and listens to his teammates. Cutler is really starting understand how to move guys with his eyes and to anticipate what his receivers are going to do. He is also stepping up into the pocket more and this will increase his vision, mechanics and therefore accuracy.

[broncofan2438]

I still can't wait to see these guys in a game situation. Its nice to hear that some of our receivers are doing well as the Defense, but lets be honest here......each player knows how the other player plays and can take advantage of that.

[Kaylore]

Why is the "W", which I'm assuming is weakside LB, lining up on the strong side?

Because that's how they were lining up. The alignment didn't change even when the tight end was on the other side. This was probably because they were playing a base cover 2.

[Kaylore]

Oh, another thing: Spencer Larsen is avoiding me. Once again the day I come his wife magically goes into labor again. I'm not even sure if they had the child, but it seems like whenever I want to see him I don't get a chance to.

TheReverend asked me to look at Kory Lichtensteiger. I was unnable to do so as they mostly worked the ones and twos and 'Steiger plays on the third team.

[theAPAOps5]

Wide DE lineup:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208063.jpg

Engaged:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208064.jpg

[jsco70]

Great pictures and excellent notes. Thanks so much for taking the time to do all of this.

On to some questions for Kaylore if you don't mind. First, you put great detail into the defensive scheme. What about on offense? Is it the same old west coast hybrid offense? I'd like to see a more aggressive, downfield passing attack presuming Cutler has time. Second, based on what you saw today, is Darrell Jackson going to be the 2nd wideout? Who do you believe will start if Marshall is suspended? Thanks.

[hambone13]

Thanks once again for spending the time gents! Kudos on the press pass, I guess this stuff pays off every once in a while huh! The benefits of being hard corps fans coupled with some technology is a pretty sweet pay off!

[theAPAOps5]

Mediator specifically asked how far players were set up on D. Don't know if this helps gauge:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208046-1.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208047-1.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208091.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Still working on getting down to weight:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208094.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

DJ Williams:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208092.jpg

Barrett getting lots of love from the press:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208105.jpg

Champ:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208107.jpg

Prater with a press conference:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208103.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Torain, not Selvin

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Torain is number 42. Just look at the jersey.

[rovolution]

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Torain is number 42. Just look at the jersey.

you got me. but that sure doesnt look like Selvin

[Inkana7]

Torain is number 42. That is clearly a "3".

[theAPAOps5]

I am stupid I messed it up there too. Its Barrett.

Sorry I have over 90 pics and got confused.

[rovolution]

Torain is number 42. That is clearly a "3".

i got it, i was wrong, but i swear thats not Selvin. Selvin doesnt do Doo Rags and the skin color is to light to be Selvin

[theAPAOps5]

you got me. but that sure doesnt look like Selvin

You are running around trying to snap pics and in my mental roledex I screwed the two up. Thanks for pointing it out!

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Great jobs guys. Apaops5 you are Jimmy Olsen to Kahns Lois Lane. JK. You guys did great.

[rovolution]

You are running around trying to snap pics and in my mental roledex I screwed the two up. Thanks for pointing it out!

no prob and i should have looked at the number first before making myself look stupid.


I just look at the face before i look at the number, so i confused Barrett for Torain.

I found this pic of Torain on google and i thought if the dude on this pic was looking sideways, he would look kind of similar to Barrett in your pic.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/PROSPECT/PHOTO/RYANTORAIN11_2150.JPG

[theAPAOps5]

Mister Royal

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208104.jpg

[rovolution]

Mister Royal

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208104.jpg

Dang Hackney is a pudgy guy for a QB!

[theAPAOps5]

Yeah but he is the better of the two backups.

[broncosteven]

Now to my traditional report.

Offensive Linemen: Ryan Clady has been the most consistent player in camp. Even Champ has had Marshall occasionally get the better of him. Clady has been solid the entire time. What impresses most about Clady is how easy he makes it look. No one gets the better of him consistently. Ryan Harris is much better than he was last Saturday. He is giving less ground, is keeping his pad level low and holding leverage much better. I was actually impressed with him, especially considering his performance a week ago. I'm still impressed with Polumbus as well. Tyler is an extremely large man that moves better than you would think he does. Wiegman is doing ok at Center but he tends to get overpowered on occasion. Chris Kuper is doing much better than I thought he would. He is learning to use his wrapped hand to punch since he can't grab with it, and all things considered I think this will make a him a more rounded player when he gets healthy.

Why does my Browser shows this paragraph like this? I had to switch to a friends MAC to read the above!:

Chris Kuper looked at me. Cutler will have a HOF year behind Kuper. Kuper is no Gene Kranz but we could win the Superbowl every year for as long as Chris Kuper starts. I think Kuper was just looking into the crowd but I was in the crowd of people he glanced at. I hope Apa gets lots of pictures of Kuper.

LOL Just throwing some salt into a wound...

Great stuff as always guys!

[theAPAOps5]

Kupers Weapon:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208015.jpg

[hambone13]

Dang Hackney is a pudgy guy for a QB!

With the camera team from the Rocky movies, Hackney could almost be a J. Russell stunt double! 248 lbs! WOW, I'm glad none of the Raiders fans have caught on to that....

[theAPAOps5]

Seriously Clady dwarfs players:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208023.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208024.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208033.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Sorry not a great shot but this is Royal starting off today:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208018.jpg

[broncosteven]

Holy Sheet! Clady is huge.

I got the Orange fever boys!

Its that or the pain meds for my whiplash...

Either way I am buzzed...until Wolf posts again anyway...talk about a buzzkill.

[broncosteven]

Kupers Weapon:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208015.jpg

That looks like Thor's Hammer!

[Kaylore]

Great jobs guys. Apaops5 you are Jimmy Olsen to Kahns Lois Lane. JK. You guys did great.

Laugh all you want, but it adds a whole other dimension to the reports. We're going to force him into doing it next year too. ;D

[theAPAOps5]

I plan to take at least a week off.

[broncosteven]

Laugh all you want, but it adds a whole other dimension to the reports. We're going to force him into doing it next year too. ;D

PODCASTS!

You girls need to do PODCASTS!

It is not that hard. Do I need to fly out and help? WTF!

[hambone13]

The angles you got on your "Clady dwarfs players" shots are solid. You can really see how imposing he is physically.

I have a Professional grade DSLR with multiple lenses including telephoto and am not a bad photographer if you guys need some help w/ this stuff. Let me know.....

[Kaylore]

PODCASTS!

You girls need to do PODCASTS!

It is not that hard. Do I need to fly out and help? WTF!

I bet Alec would be able to do it. He'll be here next camp.

[theAPAOps5]

I would love to do Podcasts it would really help this site take another step. I bet with the new upgrade it will work.

Hambone, all these were done with a Fuji Finepix just below DSLR grade. One day I plan to upgrade.

[hambone13]

I bet Alec would be able to do it. He'll be here next camp.

I run MAC and Windows here at the house. I'm not sure how the MAC packages integrate with your forum software but it's pretty simple & not terribly expensive to do a lot of the multi-media stuff with a simple .MAC account. It wouldn't necessarily be "fully integrated" with the site but could be a nice redirection w/i your domain. If you want to chat about it let me know.

[broncosteven]

I bet Alec would be able to do it. He'll be here next camp.

Alec is gay.

Use some of the Donations to buy a small flash ram based recorder (or one of Pops's Mac's) and look here:

http://emusician.com/tutorials/emusic_rss_feed_basics/index.html

There are plenty of other HOWTO's to google but the above was pretty good.

[SureShot]

Look who's fancy! Pictures and everything. Great work guys unfortunately you have raised the bar for yourselves and I will except nothing less in the future.


Thanks again!

[theAPAOps5]

This is the play where Marshall bobbled it and then tipped it to himself. Actually its the celebration after wards:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1875.jpg

[nickademus]

Sweet job guys I really liked it!

Kaylore-
anything new on the #2 reciever battle? And have they been holding Drob out as they did in the off season? thanks again for the good work guys!

Apa- A pod cast would be sweet! seems like this site is starting to really turn things around! good job with the pictures!

[broncosteven]

Let me make it clear that although I am having fun at Khan's expense and pointing out the Podcast request I really appreciate that you guys take the time to do this!

I have rep'ed you for it but not said so in a post.

Keep it up guys!

[theAPAOps5]

Polumbus is huge:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1892.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1891.jpg

Another shot of DJ:
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1879.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

More shots for Mediator:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1873.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1872.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1871.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1874.jpg

[theAPAOps5]

Thats all I have. I will run through them and if I find any I will post it.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Gracias!!!

[broncofan2438]

Sick pictures here

[DukeWoody]

Thanks a bunch guys..

Polumbus is our future starting RT, book it..

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Laugh all you want, but it adds a whole other dimension to the reports. We're going to force him into doing it next year too. ;D

Trust me when I say that I enjoy reading your reviews of the team than my own. Quick question are you guys going tuesday?

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Polumbus is huge:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1892.jpg



Great pic. You see the look on her face. It says: "I but if I got on his shoulders I could see my house."

[watermock]

Great work everyone! Polumbus passes the eyeball test.Geez, what kind of bookends that would be!

[hambone13]

Great pic. You see the look on her face. It says: "I but if I got on his shoulders I could see my house."

"If I get on his shoulders, I could almost sit on his face."?

[ludo21]

Great work!!!

How did the #2 Battle look today? D Jack and Colbert?

[Los Broncos]

Sweet pics of Clady man, that man is big.

[socalorado]

THE MAN! Barrett is a BEAST!
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208105.jpg

[kmonty]

Next year baby... BroncoTalk will be there next year...

Will have video posts too... it's falling into place already... no guarantees but plans are being set in motion already :)

Thanks for the awesome reports and photos. Great great stuff.

[DukeWoody]

Great pic. You see the look on her face. It says: "I but if I got on his shoulders I could see my house."

LOL

I think with the noticable cat that ate the canary grin on her face, she like Apo, also thinks Tyler Polumbus is huge...:wiggle:

[kmonty]

LOL

I think with the noticable cat that ate the canary grin on her face, she like Apo, also thinks Tyler Polumbus is huge...:wiggle:

LOL Reminds me of that scene in Bedazzled with Brenden Fraser as the basketball player.

[hambone13]

LOL

I think with the noticable cat that ate the canary grin on her face, she like Apo, also thinks Tyler Polumbus is huge...:wiggle:

AMEN, She's wonderin' how HUGE his tongue is....

[That One Guy]

Whoa guys lets keep it clean in here. Remember Kaylor and I got media passes as professionals for this site. They very well could come in and see comments like this and yank them.

Ha! If they gave Mane reps a pass as professionals, the joke's on them!

Come on APA, you can't expect the site to change. Just remove "Media Access" and all the pass boasting and we can continue in the OM way. It is what it is.

[hambone13]

I am not asking the site to change at all. I am just asking they tone it down in this. Its not like we walked in and said we are from the orangemane and got passes. We had to talk to them show them the site and work from there. I don't want to ruin what could be a good thing for this site.

Its also not boasting. Its being proud that the site has come this far. Next year the plan is full coverage again. But its far from bragging.

Weren't you just telling a KC fan to go take his boy up the ass back on their own site, like 2 days ago? Keep in mind, "policy" needs to be rolled out uniformly.....

[theAPAOps5]

Ok I deleted my nancy boy posts about keeping it clean. Say what you want. If they read it and don't like it then there isn't much I can do!

[hambone13]

Ok I deleted my nancy boy posts about keeping it clean. Say what you want. If they read it and don't like it then there isn't much I can do!

They don't have time to police this stuff. Nobody's being ridiculous anyway. Who doesn't talk about sitt'n on face and huge tongues?

I mean look at this icons available too us? :twokisses

Who doesn't secretly want some 'O dat.....

[theAPAOps5]

Yeah you are right I had sand in the mangina tonight! Carry on with said face sitting!

[Orange_Beard]

Great stuff. Makes me feel like I was there.
Thank you.

[hambone13]

Yeah you are right I had sand in the mangina tonight! Carry on with said face sitting!

Was that a freudian slip? Do you really think he's HUGE? :giggle:

[That One Guy]

Yeah you are right I had sand in the mangina tonight! Carry on with said face sitting!

Nah man, it was justified. If we'd known there was a possibility of checking up, this would've never been an issue I'm sure. Everyone appreciates the access and loves the info, we coulda put on our nice clothes and combed our hair for ya (just this once!) if need be. Unfortunately, we didn't get the memo until the lady in the picture was already exhibiting her desire and it was already lost.

Good effort though APA, once we start though it's the old herding cats kinda deal.

[theAPAOps5]

Eh its all good. She was a nice lady though.

[That One Guy]

Eh its all good. She was a nice lady though.

Looks like it. She looks like someone I'd be willing to be friends with... if the wife didn't object. :wiggle:

[That One Guy]

By the way, It was April... it's now August and the picture is a big, red X... is it time to change the sig yet?

[hambone13]

Looks like it. She looks like someone I'd be willing to be friends with... if the wife didn't object. :wiggle:

It the chica you're talkin' about was the one in the "HUGE" picture, she looks pretty hot and in my experience, every chick likes to be described as a "hotty", especially the "hotties" cause they're quite frankly compete'n with the elite. Ask any woman who you respect to actually "know themselves and other women". They're all compet'n, especially the hotties...

[BMarsh615]

Seriously Clady dwarfs players:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208023.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208024.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/BroncosTC080208033.jpg

:spit: :thumbsup: Great pics that guy is....wow, and you guys think he is our most athletic Offensive Lineman?

[Broncoman13]

I think he is the most athletic lineman we have. Harris is pretty athletic as well. If he can get his game together... MAN, what a nice pair of bookends for the next several years. Tackles are hard to come by, but we've been successful with guards. Harris and Clady give me some good feelings going forward!

[theAPAOps5]

Harris was light years ahead of where he was last Saturday when we there.

[minibronco]

Thanks so much guys!!!

[LonghornBronco]

:thumbsup: Thanks a million guys... This sort of information is why I gave up DPO online and RMN online exclusivly for OM..

In your oppinion are any of the rookies outside of Clady going to see any significan playing time?

[summerdenver]

Harris was light years ahead of where he was last Saturday when we there.

Thats a very good sign. Do you guys feel if he has the bulk/strength to play RT?

[TheReverend]

Here is the Base defense:
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/306/baseuo4.png
This was used pretty much every first down and every running down. Engleberger played LDE and Dumervil RDE.


Awesome thanks!

And not much time at the moment... got a four year old that's getting ready to hit the pool, but I'll throw a quick few comments down.

This is 4-3 Over with the Will and Sam flipped. I'm not sure if they're doing this to keep gap responsibilities simpler for DJ/Boss (gap responsibilities flip for Will and Sam depending on whether it's Over or Under), or if they feel this alignment is unbeatable regardless of TE alignment (if TE is on the other side, this becomes the correct alignment for 4-3 Under).

Anyways, I'll spend more time looking at this tomorrow from "work". Thanks for the good work, guys.

[TheReverend]

Here is their nickel package:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2908/nickellg3.png


Well, Slowik learned something from Bates. This is new for him, from what I've seen, but certainly extremely familiar to Bronco fans watching the pass D last season. Notice how wide the DEs are. Also, note how they have the UT lined up in a 5 (that's a traditional 3-4 DE's line-up) and the nose over in the 3 on the other side... I have they have him crashing the center hard or DJ and Boss will have a lot more garbage to claw through on draws.

Expect Jarvis/Elvis to hit the edges (Jarvis vs TE=win), Robertson to crash the SS B-gap, and the NT to hit the A to push the pocket back.

If they switch up and play a press man to buy the front another 1-3 seconds, this should be extremely successful.

[Rohirrim]

Thanks guys. This is getting me pumped for the season. Kaylore, any indication what kind of coach Slowik is? Is he a screaming cusser or a quiet teacher. See anything from that angle?

[Broncoman13]

Harris was light years ahead of where he was last Saturday when we there.



That's what I've been hearing and it's music to my ears. He was getting beat like a drum early on and the last practice I watched I was fairly impressed with him. Sounds like he's getting better with each passing day! Foster II... not so fast!

[Broncoman13]

:thumbsup: Thanks a million guys... This sort of information is why I gave up DPO online and RMN online exclusivly for OM..

In your oppinion are any of the rookies outside of Clady going to see any significan playing time?

Eddie Royal is making it very difficult on the Broncos right now. He's played so well that the media is starting to ask him if he's still going to return kicks and punts, to which he responded, "Hell yeah!"

Hillis and Torain also look like they could get some decent playing time, provided Hillis gets healthy and picks up where he left off.

[Broncoman13]

Thanks guys. This is getting me pumped for the season. Kaylore, any indication what kind of coach Slowik is? Is he a screaming cusser or a quiet teacher. See anything from that angle?

Big time teacher and player favorite. He's spent a lot of time learning computers and animates his defense so that the players can really understand what they are supposed to do.

Like Rev, I noticed that he may be stealing a page from Bates as well. Jarvis has on occasion lined up in what I believe Bates called the 9tech? Correct me if I'm wrong Rev. But it is very similar to what I saw last year.

One other thing I noticed and it makes sense after talking to Med. When the Nickel comes in they move Bly inside to cover the slot. They also use him to blitz as he is a very effective blitzer. The reason this move makes so much sense though is b/c a lot of teams will move their best WR into the slot to try and create a mismatch. Bly is still a better cover guy than Fox but this is also Fox's best camp by far. Our pass D should be fairly opportunistic this year!

[TheReverend]

Oskie, you're right, that's called a 9 tech.

Spongebob squarepants bought me a temporary reprieve so I got to read the notes. Couple comments:

Marshall- But I could've sworn I read that he'd be on IR and would never be good again!?!?

Torain on pass pro- All rookie RBs have issues with this. That's what Pittman's here for.

Barrett- He's playing a mental position. Size and speed are there, once he gets situational awareness, experience and decisiveness in his reads, we've got a player.

Clady- I don't like that picture one bit. He's WAY too high in his stance showing that he's about to absorb the pass-rush. If he's doing this in any play that DOESN'T involve an empty backfield, then it's an EASY pre-snap read of pass/run.

Paymah- Sadly Paymah never translated to the NFL. He had a solid game last year which led to too many feel good articles, but it's way past time that he played that way with consistency.

Did you guys meet up with Montrose? And more Harris info please? Holland may end up in the doghouse to the point of Kuper staying at the RG

[Dark Helmet]

Maybe she just wants to do a big story?

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n224/ApaOps5/Broncos%20Training%20Camp%20080208/DSCF1892.jpg
Give it 110%

http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Bedazzled/elizabeth_hurley_brendan_fraser_bedazzled_001.jpg

[Dark Helmet]

Wow, Clady is a freaking hulk! I would start calling the defenders Frodo and Samwise.

[theAPAOps5]

Oskie, you're right, that's called a 9 tech.

Spongebob squarepants bought me a temporary reprieve so I got to read the notes. Couple comments:

Marshall- But I could've sworn I read that he'd be on IR and would never be good again!?!?

Torain on pass pro- All rookie RBs have issues with this. That's what Pittman's here for.

Barrett- He's playing a mental position. Size and speed are there, once he gets situational awareness, experience and decisiveness in his reads, we've got a player.

Clady- I don't like that picture one bit. He's WAY too high in his stance showing that he's about to absorb the pass-rush. If he's doing this in any play that DOESN'T involve an empty backfield, then it's an EASY pre-snap read of pass/run.

Paymah- Sadly Paymah never translated to the NFL. He had a solid game last year which led to too many feel good articles, but it's way past time that he played that way with consistency.

Did you guys meet up with Montrose? And more Harris info please? Holland may end up in the doghouse to the point of Kuper staying at the RG

It might be that picture. The picture was taken during drills before full 7v7 or move the ball. So that may be it.

Kaylor says he is doing great and he pretty much only watched the line.

[Kaylore]

Yeah all I'm going to say about Clady is he is the least of our problems. Does he need to keep his butt down? Yeah. Does it hurt him. No. Obviously he could be better and rookie linemen have a hard time keeping their head up and their tail down, but the guy is amazing for a rookie and gets over powered the least. He makes it all look easy.

[TheReverend]

Yeah all I'm going to say about Clady is he is the least of our problems. Does he need to keep his butt down? Yeah. Does it hurt him. No. Obviously he could be better and rookie linemen have a hard time keeping their head up and their tail down, but the guy is amazing for a rookie and gets over powered the least. He makes it all look easy.

I'm not overly concerned. Odds are it's just being exhausted from camp and being a little sloppy. It just better not happen in games. RDE sees that and yells "Pass" and it's a blown time-out or a sloppy audible.

[kmonty]

Oskie, you're right, that's called a 9 tech.

Spongebob squarepants bought me a temporary reprieve so I got to read the notes. Couple comments:

Marshall- But I could've sworn I read that he'd be on IR and would never be good again!?!?

Torain on pass pro- All rookie RBs have issues with this. That's what Pittman's here for.

Barrett- He's playing a mental position. Size and speed are there, once he gets situational awareness, experience and decisiveness in his reads, we've got a player.

Clady- I don't like that picture one bit. He's WAY too high in his stance showing that he's about to absorb the pass-rush. If he's doing this in any play that DOESN'T involve an empty backfield, then it's an EASY pre-snap read of pass/run.

Paymah- Sadly Paymah never translated to the NFL. He had a solid game last year which led to too many feel good articles, but it's way past time that he played that way with consistency.

Did you guys meet up with Montrose? And more Harris info please? Holland may end up in the doghouse to the point of Kuper staying at the RG

I didn't even notice, I'm really glad you brought that up. That was pretty bad in that picture actually. I'm hoping like you said in a later post, it's just sloppy late practice stuff. Get that ass down, Clady.

Rep.

[Premier-Ace55]

I'm a little concerned about our D-Line. Kaylore in your honest opinion how are they looking. Are we stopping the run do we look physical. We may have to wait until Dallas to get a true gage but I don't live in Denver and haven't seen them.

[hambone13]

Big time teacher and player favorite. He's spent a lot of time learning computers and animates his defense so that the players can really understand what they are supposed to do.

Like Rev, I noticed that he may be stealing a page from Bates as well. Jarvis has on occasion lined up in what I believe Bates called the 9tech? Correct me if I'm wrong Rev. But it is very similar to what I saw last year.

One other thing I noticed and it makes sense after talking to Med. When the Nickel comes in they move Bly inside to cover the slot. They also use him to blitz as he is a very effective blitzer. The reason this move makes so much sense though is b/c a lot of teams will move their best WR into the slot to try and create a mismatch. Bly is still a better cover guy than Fox but this is also Fox's best camp by far. Our pass D should be fairly opportunistic this year!

I love it when people recognize that everyone has some thing to teach them. Shanny even gave some kudos to crazy Al the other day. That's classy....

[dbfan21]

I was out of town all week last week and am now getting caught up on the latest. Awesome reports to all of you who have been covering bits and pieces of TC. Thank you! This is getting me very excited to see some live action.

Question: In light of Steve Smith's fight in Carolina, have any of you seen a lot of tempers flaring at camp?

[theAPAOps5]

The only jawing I saw was btw O-Line and D-Line players and it was more smack talk.

Someone else said there was some words exchanged with Bly and a WR. But there have been no fights yet.

[dbfan21]

Good to hear. It seems there is a lot of chemistry on this team, which should lead to victories on and off the field.

[Mediator12]

Awesome thanks!

And not much time at the moment... got a four year old that's getting ready to hit the pool, but I'll throw a quick few comments down.

This is 4-3 Over with the Will and Sam flipped. I'm not sure if they're doing this to keep gap responsibilities simpler for DJ/Boss (gap responsibilities flip for Will and Sam depending on whether it's Over or Under), or if they feel this alignment is unbeatable regardless of TE alignment (if TE is on the other side, this becomes the correct alignment for 4-3 Under).

Anyways, I'll spend more time looking at this tomorrow from "work". Thanks for the good work, guys.

That is the TB2 Over front. They always play the Will over the TE as they have the UT over the B gap. The WILL in their system follows the UT as opposed to the formation strength in their Over front. If they play Over Stem front then the SDE will play outside the TE like in Kaylore's diagram.

This is interesting as they described them playing the Under front earlier with the SAM right up on the LOS over the TE. Both are aggressive one gap schemes, i just hope they are better at penetration than they have been in the recent past. That has been their worst skill by far on the DL. If they can not get the POA going sideways they are going to get killed in the running game up the middle. Also, the pass rush will suck if the DT's can not push the pocket.

[TheReverend]

That is the TB2 Over front. They always play the Will over the TE as they have the UT over the B gap. The WILL in their system follows the UT as opposed to the formation strength in their Over front. If they play Over Stem front then the SDE will play outside the TE like in Kaylore's diagram.

This is interesting as they described them playing the Under front earlier with the SAM right up on the LOS over the TE. Both are aggressive one gap schemes, i just hope they are better at penetration than they have been in the recent past. That has been their worst skill by far on the DL. If they can not get the POA going sideways they are going to get killed in the running game up the middle. Also, the pass rush will suck if the DT's can not push the pocket.

Thanks for clearing that up. The Will/Sam flip had me confused.

Per your 2nd paragraph: Sam on the LOS over the TE is exactly a 4-3 over, but you called it under?

[Mediator12]

Thanks for clearing that up. The Will/Sam flip had me confused.

Per your 2nd paragraph: Sam on the LOS over the TE is exactly a 4-3 over, but you called it under?

Nope, that is the Under front. The UT is on the opposite side of the Line and the Sam is over the TE in that front, the Mike is over the Guard, and the Will is over the backside A gap. That is how the TB2 Over/under fronts are set up. The Will always follows the UT and covers a different gap based on the coverage. That is why I want to know what their base coverage is going to be, in order to find out what they are going to be trying to hide and how teams will attack it in both run and pass.

[TheReverend]

Nope, that is the Under front. The UT is on the opposite side of the Line and the Sam is over the TE in that front, the Mike is over the Guard, and the Will is over the backside A gap. That is how the TB2 Over/under fronts are set up. The Will always follows the UT and covers a different gap based on the coverage. That is why I want to know what their base coverage is going to be, in order to find out what they are going to be trying to hide and how teams will attack it in both run and pass.

It's still a base 4-3 Over... Your dirty TB2 **** is ass backwards! Thanks for some clarity.

[Mediator12]

It's still a base 4-3 Over... Your dirty TB2 **** is ass backwards! Thanks for some clarity.

Blame Tony Dungy, Monte Kiffin, and whoever the PIT DC was in the seventies, his name escapes me right now. I am just the messenger!

BTW, it is one of the main distinctions versus a standard one gap scheme. This is why the NFL is what it is, there are 3 variations on the basic one gap Scheme being widely run on the fronts. Several 4-3 read systems are still being employed, but most are in 3-4 fronts. And then there are the blitz heavy schemes of Jimmy Johnson in PHI and NYG's.

Football at this level is so different than the game we played in High school and college. It is way more complex, flexible, and adaptable to the team you are playing. And, Defense is a hell of a lot simpler than the offenses! I have not come close to getting all the crap they do down. The OL protection and run scheme DEN uses is about all I can handle at this point!

[vancejohnson82]

Blame Tony Dungy, Monte Kiffin, and whoever the PIT DC was in the seventies, his name escapes me right now. I am just the messenger!

BTW, it is one of the main distinctions versus a standard one gap scheme. This is why the NFL is what it is, there are 3 variations on the basic one gap Scheme being widely run on the fronts. Several 4-3 read systems are still being employed, but most are in 3-4 fronts. And then there are the blitz heavy schemes of Jimmy Johnson in PHI and NYG's.

Football at this level is so different than the game we played in High school and college. It is way more complex, flexible, and adaptable to the team you are playing. And, Defense is a hell of a lot simpler than the offenses! I have not come close to getting all the crap they do down. The OL protection and run scheme DEN uses is about all I can handle at this point!


that just made me think of that Hasselback commercial where he is talking about that one play that has 5 or 6 different versions to it.....

I used to be amazed at the way Jimmy Johnson ran the Philly defense and the way the blitzes came up....what a nightmare for the OCs...but like everything else, teams adapt and this years unstoppable scheme will be next years bust

[TheReverend]

Blame Tony Dungy, Monte Kiffin, and whoever the PIT DC was in the seventies, his name escapes me right now. I am just the messenger!

BTW, it is one of the main distinctions versus a standard one gap scheme. This is why the NFL is what it is, there are 3 variations on the basic one gap Scheme being widely run on the fronts. Several 4-3 read systems are still being employed, but most are in 3-4 fronts. And then there are the blitz heavy schemes of Jimmy Johnson in PHI and NYG's.

Football at this level is so different than the game we played in High school and college. It is way more complex, flexible, and adaptable to the team you are playing. And, Defense is a hell of a lot simpler than the offenses! I have not come close to getting all the crap they do down. The OL protection and run scheme DEN uses is about all I can handle at this point!

Completely agree. And I blame them all.

The strength of Denver's offense is it's simplicity. When Jake was in town and it was an "all bootleg all the time" team, everything looked exactly the same up front. Like one 3 hour acid trip. Now with Jay we're getting to where I don't even pay attention anymore and just cheer for the score and focus on when the D hits the field.

[alkemical]

Blame Tony Dungy, Monte Kiffin, and whoever the PIT DC was in the seventies, his name escapes me right now. I am just the messenger!


Isn't he their D-Cord now?

[TheReverend]

Isn't he their D-Cord now?

Dick LeBeau? No.

[Mediator12]

that just made me think of that Hasselback commercial where he is talking about that one play that has 5 or 6 different versions to it.....

I used to be amazed at the way Jimmy Johnson ran the Philly defense and the way the blitzes came up....what a nightmare for the OCs...but like everything else, teams adapt and this years unstoppable scheme will be next years bust

You know, that is a great reference!

It really is complicated. When Big plays happen, most of the time it is someone blew an assignment more than someone made a great play in the NFL.

Mentality wins ball games at this level, talent gets you in the door.

[Mediator12]

Isn't he their D-Cord now?

I looked it up, it was Bud Carson.

[alkemical]

This is why i thought of Lebeau:

As an assistant coach he is credited with inventing the "Fire Zone" or "zone blitz" defense, which employs unpredictable pass rushes and pass coverage from various players. His defenses typically employ 3-4 sets, with any of the 4 linebackers and frequently a defensive back among the pass rushers, while defensive linemen may drop back into short pass coverage zones to compensate for the pass rush coming from other positions. The design is intended to confuse the opposition's quarterback and frustrate its blocking schemes, as the offense may be unsure on each play of which defenders will rush the passer and which will drop into coverage. While often described as a "blitzing" scheme (implying more than the typical number of four pass rushers used by most defenses), the call on any particular "zone blitz" play may involve only three or four pass rushers but from unpredictable positions and angles. Although widely considered a defensive innovator, his stint as the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals was unsuccessful.

[BroncoBuff]

i got it, i was wrong, but i swear thats not Selvin. Selvin doesnt do Doo Rags and the skin color is to light to be Selvin

Aaaand ... defense wears white?


YAAA!

[Kaylore]

Mentality wins ball games at this level, talent gets you in the door.

That's really a great quote. People sometimes ask me who the fastest guy I see is or whatever and they don't realize that all these guys are at about the same athletic level. The fastest guy on the team is Sammie Parker. It's the stuff between the ears that makes one player better than another.