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Killericon
08-01-2008, 12:51 AM
Gotta Love MIT.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/oxygen-0731.html

'Major discovery' from MIT primed to unleash solar revolution
Scientists mimic essence of plants' energy storage system

Anne Trafton, News Office
July 31, 2008

In a revolutionary leap that could transform solar power from a marginal, boutique alternative into a mainstream energy source, MIT researchers have overcome a major barrier to large-scale solar power: storing energy for use when the sun doesn't shine.

Daniel Nocera describes new process for storing solar energy
View video post on MIT TechTV

Until now, solar power has been a daytime-only energy source, because storing extra solar energy for later use is prohibitively expensive and grossly inefficient. With today's announcement, MIT researchers have hit upon a simple, inexpensive, highly efficient process for storing solar energy.

Requiring nothing but abundant, non-toxic natural materials, this discovery could unlock the most potent, carbon-free energy source of all: the sun. "This is the nirvana of what we've been talking about for years," said MIT's Daniel Nocera, the Henry Dreyfus Professor of Energy at MIT and senior author of a paper describing the work in the July 31 issue of Science. "Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited and soon."

Inspired by the photosynthesis performed by plants, Nocera and Matthew Kanan, a postdoctoral fellow in Nocera's lab, have developed an unprecedented process that will allow the sun's energy to be used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Later, the oxygen and hydrogen may be recombined inside a fuel cell, creating carbon-free electricity to power your house or your electric car, day or night.

The key component in Nocera and Kanan's new process is a new catalyst that produces oxygen gas from water; another catalyst produces valuable hydrogen gas. The new catalyst consists of cobalt metal, phosphate and an electrode, placed in water. When electricity -- whether from a photovoltaic cell, a wind turbine or any other source -- runs through the electrode, the cobalt and phosphate form a thin film on the electrode, and oxygen gas is produced.

Combined with another catalyst, such as platinum, that can produce hydrogen gas from water, the system can duplicate the water splitting reaction that occurs during photosynthesis.

The new catalyst works at room temperature, in neutral pH water, and it's easy to set up, Nocera said. "That's why I know this is going to work. It's so easy to implement," he said.
'Giant leap' for clean energy

Sunlight has the greatest potential of any power source to solve the world's energy problems, said Nocera. In one hour, enough sunlight strikes the Earth to provide the entire planet's energy needs for one year.

James Barber, a leader in the study of photosynthesis who was not involved in this research, called the discovery by Nocera and Kanan a "giant leap" toward generating clean, carbon-free energy on a massive scale.

"This is a major discovery with enormous implications for the future prosperity of humankind," said Barber, the Ernst Chain Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College London. "The importance of their discovery cannot be overstated since it opens up the door for developing new technologies for energy production thus reducing our dependence for fossil fuels and addressing the global climate change problem."
'Just the beginning'

Currently available electrolyzers, which split water with electricity and are often used industrially, are not suited for artificial photosynthesis because they are very expensive and require a highly basic (non-benign) environment that has little to do with the conditions under which photosynthesis operates.

More engineering work needs to be done to integrate the new scientific discovery into existing photovoltaic systems, but Nocera said he is confident that such systems will become a reality.

"This is just the beginning," said Nocera, principal investigator for the Solar Revolution Project funded by the Chesonis Family Foundation and co-Director of the Eni-MIT Solar Frontiers Center. "The scientific community is really going to run with this."

Nocera hopes that within 10 years, homeowners will be able to power their homes in daylight through photovoltaic cells, while using excess solar energy to produce hydrogen and oxygen to power their own household fuel cell. Electricity-by-wire from a central source could be a thing of the past.

The project is part of the MIT Energy Initiative, a program designed to help transform the global energy system to meet the needs of the future and to help build a bridge to that future by improving today's energy systems. MITEI Director Ernest Moniz, Cecil and Ida Green Professor of Physics and Engineering Systems, noted that "this discovery in the Nocera lab demonstrates that moving up the transformation of our energy supply system to one based on renewables will depend heavily on frontier basic science."

The success of the Nocera lab shows the impact of a mixture of funding sources - governments, philanthropy, and industry. This project was funded by the National Science Foundation and by the Chesonis Family Foundation, which gave MIT $10 million this spring to launch the Solar Revolution Project, with a goal to make the large scale deployment of solar energy within 10 years.

Well, it certainly SOUNDS nice, but colour me more than a bit skeptical. If it's for real, though... :notworthy

want2bAbronco2
08-01-2008, 12:58 AM
I got a video of someone that turned salt water into energy and could run lights/engines yesterday. Was on some news channel, pretty cool. But of course the gas compines will buy it up so it will never see the light of day.

CHANGSTER
08-01-2008, 01:08 AM
I didn't understand most of it, but it sounds cool.

tsiguy96
08-01-2008, 01:18 AM
I didn't understand most of it, but it sounds cool.

sun create energy, taht energy is used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, they click their heels together and spin in a circle and you have stored solar energy.

Killericon
08-01-2008, 01:21 AM
sun create energy, taht energy is used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, they click their heels together and spin in a circle and you have stored solar energy.

Platinum and Cobalt are involved somehow.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Gnomes_plan.png

BroncoBuff
08-01-2008, 01:29 AM
WOW. Let's hope they keep the greedy industrial big money / big oil people away from this. Let's do this right ...

CHANGSTER
08-01-2008, 01:34 AM
sun create energy, taht energy is used to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, they click their heels together and spin in a circle and you have stored solar energy.

You really broke it down, you must be involved with the project.:thumbsup:

cutthemdown
08-01-2008, 01:48 AM
It's going to take projects like this for America to stay dominant. Once the full force of American ingenuity is unleashed into alternative energy people are going to be amazed at the progress. What an exciting time to live. We are going to see some amazing changes over the next 20 yrs.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2008, 01:50 AM
It's going to take projects like this for America to stay dominant. Once the full force of American ingenuity is unleashed into alternative energy people are going to be amazed at the progress. What an exciting time to live. We are going to see some amazing changes over the next 20 yrs.

If we vote in government officials that support alternative technology and...ya know, not BS like off shore drilling. We shoulda been starting this stuff 8 years ago.

tsiguy96
08-01-2008, 01:52 AM
We shoulda been starting this stuff 8 years ago.


werd. hydrogen cars + all this solar shenanigans = goodness.

ZONA
08-01-2008, 03:13 AM
If we vote in government officials that support alternative technology and...ya know, not BS like off shore drilling. We shoulda been starting this stuff 8 years ago.

Indeed. What most people don't realize, and they should, is that.........

#1 ) Oil drilling is a crap shoot to begin with. Even with today's technology, it's very hard to determin just how much oil is in any particular area. They sorta can see some degree of concentrations but it really is guess work. Oil companies often lose millions when drilling sites don't pan out and then they have to move on to the next site, which costs a crap load of money to move all that equipment.

#2) Even if they do find a significant amount of oil, it takes years and years and years before it's ready to hit the market.

But some politicians don't really care. They just say "lets drill" because they think that's what people want to hear, even when they damn well know it will not make any difference on gas prices for the next 10 years. By that time, if we don't have alternate fuel and energy solutions, we won't have to worry about terrorists, this country will fall apart from inside out.

400HZ
08-01-2008, 06:31 AM
It's going to take projects like this for America to stay dominant. Once the full force of American ingenuity is unleashed into alternative energy people are going to be amazed at the progress. What an exciting time to live. We are going to see some amazing changes over the next 20 yrs.

Co-sign! Let's just hope that Scaramanga doesn't steal the Solex Agitator again.

maher_tyler
08-01-2008, 06:52 AM
I got a video of someone that turned salt water into energy and could run lights/engines yesterday. Was on some news channel, pretty cool. But of course the gas compines will buy it up so it will never see the light of day.

Why do something like that when you can pollute the earth and melt the ice caps leaving billions homeless...i mean we could just build huge walls along the coast so coastal cities don't go under water no big deal ^5 oil companies can eat **** and go to hell!!!!!!!!!

Rock Chalk
08-01-2008, 07:55 AM
I saw this two weeks ago or thereabouts. Great breakthrough and all but 20 years before its available commercially.

NYBronco
08-01-2008, 08:15 AM
I got a video of someone that turned salt water into energy and could run lights/engines yesterday. Was on some news channel, pretty cool. But of course the gas compines will buy it up so it will never see the light of day.

My thoughts as well except all the current and traditional energy suppliers will buy it up and mothball it. They are not about to give up their current control and power of the world's population... too much at stake for them.

alkemical
08-01-2008, 08:16 AM
I find it so funny in some ways - that it's taken us THIS long to figure out that nature can be our friend and has many answers to the problems we wish to find...

Sometimes, we really are stupid monkeys.

chickennob2
08-01-2008, 10:20 AM
Well, its not too complicated. There are 3 steps involved.

1. They use photocells that you see every day to collect sunlight and create electricity. If you're interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaic_cells#Theory

2. A step I did for the science fair in 5th grade. By running a current through water, in a process called electrolysis, you can split a water molecule (H20, 2 hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atoms per molecule) into hydrogen and oxygen gas. I did it with a bucket and a car battery (poorly, I should add), but it's a fairly simple process. This hydrogen and oxygen can be stored and, as the article said, used to create energy when the sun isn't shining.

3. The hydrogen and oxygen are used in a fuel cell. I am not too sure on the chemistry going on here, but the wikipedia may help if youre interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell
In detail, I don't really know how it works. But conceptually you can imagine it as being the opposite of electrolysis, the 2nd step. So you are consuming the hydrogen and oxygen and creating water and electricity.


The big breakthrough they have made in this article is how they do step 2. They have discovered/created two materials to use as electrodes that are (A) far more effecient at turning electricity into hydrogen/oxygen and (B) can do so with plain water at pH 7 (water's normal pH without anything in it). So a system that can use plain water at pH 7 is very simple to set up and takes nothing to maintain, as the fuel cell reforms water molecules as its "waste" product.

In essence, this is just pure awesome.


... go us

rugbythug
08-01-2008, 11:39 AM
I got a video of someone that turned salt water into energy and could run lights/engines yesterday. Was on some news channel, pretty cool. But of course the gas compines will buy it up so it will never see the light of day.


I have a video of Lebron James hitting 10 full court shots in a row. Your video involves radio waves, you end up with a net loss in energy. This is why no one has bought the technology.

Bladerunner
08-01-2008, 11:53 AM
this is neat stuff...hydrogen fuel cell are quite efficient in their energy storage/production so, they do make a nice option for this...much better than batteries...and thank goodness that MIT isn't trying to sell us a Protein Injector self-perpetuating hydrogen fuel cell along with some coffee mugs and panties!