Denver's first round pick in '09

[JCMElway]

Well, Lynch's departure highlights the need at the Safety position. With the wealth of good Safeties next year, there's a very good chance the Broncs go that way. If the Broncos have a poor year, at least we'll have a shot at getting the first guy on the list.

Any thoughts about these guys?

# 1 Taylor Mays*, SS/FS, USC
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
5/19/09: Taylor Mays' size and speed combination is sick, and what could ultimately allow him to be the first safety taken in April 2009. Mays plays free safety at USC, but I see him as more of a strong safety at the next level.

2007: A 6-4, 225-pound safety who runs a 4.3? Pretty sick. As a freshman, Taylor Mays started 12 games, recorded 62 tackles and picked off three passes.

#2 Myron Rolle*, SS, Florida State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2009): Top 20 Pick.
5/19/09: Myron Rolle's triangle numbers pale in comparison to Taylor Mays', but a 4.4 from a 6-2, 218-pound safety ain't too shabby. Rolle has 23 consecutive starts entering the 2008 campaign.

2007: A player with no weaknesses in his game, Myron Rolle started the final 10 games of his freshman year, finishing third on the team with 77 tackles.

#3 William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri
Height: 6-1. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2009): Top 20 Pick.
5/19/09: Looks to be a good fit at either safety position at the next level. William Moore had an incredible 2007 campaign, notching seven picks and qualifying as a second-team All-American.

2007: An interception machine and the leader of Missouri's defense. Voted as a Second-Team All-American.


#4 Kam Chancellor*, SS, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.
2007: An extremely athletic safety - seems like this draft class is laden with guys like that.

[bpc]

Man, it's just going to be so tough to invest more into this secondary when we could possibly have questions at HB, WR, OL, DT, and MLB.

I think Mays is very good, haven't watched the other guys too much but it's just going to be tough to pull that trigger.

[NFLBRONCO]

Man, it's just going to be so tough to invest more into this secondary when we could possibly have questions at HB, WR, OL, DT, and MLB.

I think Mays is very good, haven't watched the other guys too much but it's just going to be tough to pull that trigger.

I have S as a high priority in 09 but, it depends where we pick and who's available. Your right we have lots of needs so we could easily go several directions.

[JCMElway]

All that being said, if Trevor Mays is on the board, take him. Period. (Unless we're in the top 5 draft picks, but that's not very likely.)

[lex]

I wouldnt be upset with Mays, however Id rather go in a different direction in the first round. I think there are other very solid options for safety that will be available later and also, I would like Maualuga or Duke Robinson. Id like to focus closer to the LOS. Also, I realize Mays has a great measurables but safety is a position that is also reliant on read and react and since Mays plays for USC, a who's who of NFL talent, its hard to say if there might be a better option who can compensate for being a little slower than Mays but one who has better read & react. But I think theres a lot of value at safety in round 2. I would also not be averse to getting Beanie Wells but I think he will be out of our reach.

[socalorado]

I wouldnt be upset with Mays, however Id rather go in a different direction in the first round. I think there are other very solid options for safety that will be available later and also, I would like Maualuga or Duke Robinson. Id like to focus closer to the LOS. Also, I realize Mays has a great measurables but safety is a position that is also reliant on read and react and since Mays plays for USC, a who's who of NFL talent, its hard to say if there might be a better option who can compensate for being a little slower than Mays but one who has better read & react. But I think theres a lot of value at safety in round 2. I would also not be averse to getting Beanie Wells but I think he will be out of our reach.

Heres my take on DEN as of today.
Barrett is looking more and more like a really solid pick that was overlooked.
All camp reports point to him being a solid playmaker at SS. I see him taking over for the "Whiffer" in no time flat.
But DEN has a HUGE need at FS. They desperatley need a fleet footed, patroller for the FS position.
This draft will be deep at Safety, and DEN has needs elsewhere.
Round 1 Rey Maualuga MLB
Round 2 Derek Pegues FS

Derek Pegues, FS, Mississippi State
Height: 5-10. Weight: 196.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
5/19/09: Doubling as a return man, Derek Pegues managed 50 tackles and five interceptions in 2007.

2007: Derek Pegues is a lightning-quick jack of all trades; he can play cornerback, free safety and kick returner. He started every game as a sophomore and picked off four passes. (SoFoxy and Paymah want to leave?!?! No prob, Jack motherF***ing Williams and Pregues are more than able to take the vacant spots if needed in a pinch.)

Get a guy who's a true FS. A ball hawk, with INT skills, who can play in tandem with the big hitter that is BARRETT.
OR, go after Chung. Lots of versatility, but hes also alot more of a SS type.

Round 3 Max Unger, OT,C Oregon
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: An extremely athletic and smart center who can also play offensive tackle. Max Unger's not as strong as some GMs would like, but he'll be an effective pass protector in a zone scheme.
2007: Possibly a candidate for a team with a zone-blocking scheme.
OR
Round 3 Xavier Fulton, OT Illinois
Height: 6-6. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: For a guy coming off a season-ending knee injury, Xavier Fulton played pretty well in 2007. A former defensive lineman, Fulton's athleticism will make him a good fit in a zone-blocking scheme.

[lex]

Heres my take on DEN as of today.
Barrett is looking more and more like a really solid pick that was overlooked.
All camp reports point to him being a solid playmaker at SS. I see him taking over for the "Whiffer" in no time flat.
But DEN has a HUGE need at FS. They desperatley need a fleet footed, patroller for the FS position.
This draft will be deep at Safety, and DEN has needs elsewhere.
Round 1 Rey Maualuga MLB
Round 2 Derek Pegues FS

Derek Pegues, FS, Mississippi State
Height: 5-10. Weight: 196.
Projected 40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round (2009): 2.
5/19/09: Doubling as a return man, Derek Pegues managed 50 tackles and five interceptions in 2007.

2007: Derek Pegues is a lightning-quick jack of all trades; he can play cornerback, free safety and kick returner. He started every game as a sophomore and picked off four passes.

Get a guy who's a true FS. A ball hawk, with INT skills, who can play in tandem with the big hitter that is BARRETT.
OR, go after Chung. Lots of versatility, but hes also alot more of a SS type.

Round 3 Max Unger, OT,C Oregon
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: An extremely athletic and smart center who can also play offensive tackle. Max Unger's not as strong as some GMs would like, but he'll be an effective pass protector in a zone scheme.
2007: Possibly a candidate for a team with a zone-blocking scheme.
OR
Round 3 Xavier Fulton, OT Illinois
Height: 6-6. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: For a guy coming off a season-ending knee injury, Xavier Fulton played pretty well in 2007. A former defensive lineman, Fulton's athleticism will make him a good fit in a zone-blocking scheme.

I agree. I think we'll have to be drafting int he top 12 again though to have a shot at Maualuga...maybe higher, depending on who else is drafting high and whether they need an MLB and whether they like Laurinaitis more. I think if we have a shot at Maualuga, we should draft him. Same with Beanie Wells, although he is even less likely to be available. I think Duke Robinson is more likely to be available at where we will be picking. Offensive and defensive line is so hugely important that its easily justifiable. Obviously a lot of the season needs to play out but I wouldnt rule out feeling good about Larsen and/or Barrett going into next year. One unavoidable need on the horizon though is OLine.

[Broncoman13]

Man, it's just going to be so tough to invest more into this secondary when we could possibly have questions at HB, WR, OL, DT, and MLB.

I think Mays is very good, haven't watched the other guys too much but it's just going to be tough to pull that trigger.


HB isn't a problem bro. Aldridge and Torain are very good pick-ups this year and Selvin and Andre Hall have both looked good. We have 4 good system RBs at this point.

MLB, OL, DT still are problems. I think WR is okay as well. Royal is a hit and Marshall and DJack look to round out a fairly good receiving corps. We do need to lock DJack up for the next 4 years though.

[Doggcow]

I say we draft Max Unger because his name is Max Unger.

[peacepipe]

I think we'll go RB or LB in the 1st.

[Elway777]

My pre season mock drafti f the Broncos make playoffs 1 William Moore 2 Max Unger 3 Danny Beckworth 4 B.j Raja 5 Branion Marion. The Broncos target Lee Evans in free agency .

[theAPAOps5]

Kaylor, Sports Guru, and I were talking with some of the local media at camp today and we all pretty much agreed that MLB should and could be the position we spend our first pick on.

Webster is not the answer and it appears Niko isn't either. Although listening to Seahawks fans I was really excited. He just hasn't risen to the top in camp. Its a key position that must be addressed.

[oubronco]

MLB or D-Lineman

[NFLBRONCO]

MLB OL DT S would be my #1 choices.

[SpringStein]

MLB isn't a "premium" position - top ones don't usually go until mid-late teens. Was Ray Lewis something like 17? So if we pick from 17-22 area, that could be a nice fit. The same for safety. Those would be my two top choices at this point.

[NFLBRONCO]

MLB isn't a "premium" position - top ones don't usually go until mid-late teens. Was Ray Lewis something like 17? So if we pick from 17-22 area, that could be a nice fit. The same for safety. Those would be my two top choices at this point.

I'd love Oher most :)

[elsid13]

I'd love Oher most :)

So do I, but I think he might be the first OT off the board.

[Doggcow]

I wouldnt mind Maualuga. He's a beast at SC

[ReillyB]

We need a MLB. If Laurinitis' stock would drop a little bit to wherever we pick I would getting him.

[Elway777]

I like to go for Moore or Mays in the first then get Brinkley or Unger in the second .Then 3 round look at Running back or Defensive tackle The Broncos then go for Lee Evans and maybe Middle linebacker in free agency. The Broncos should have a ton of money next year for for agents.

[NFLBRONCO]

I like to go for Moore or Mays in the first then get Brinkley or Unger in the second .Then 3 round look at Running back or Defensive tackle The Broncos then go for Lee Evans and maybe Middle linebacker in free agency. The Broncos should have a ton of money next year for for agents.

Who would you pick in 09 if we drafted

6-10-

11-15-

16-20-

[Elway777]

Who would you pick in 09 if we drafted

6-10-

11-15-

16-20-

6-10-Wells.Maualaga,Laurititus, Mays
11-15- Lauriitius,Mays .Moore
16-20 Mays,Moore . Spikes

[NFLBRONCO]

6-10-Wells.Maualaga,Laurititus, Mays
11-15- Lauriitius,Mays .Moore
16-20 Mays,Moore . Spikes

Thanks nice job

[BroncoMan4ever]

i believe that if Niko doesn't pan out they go MLB in the 1st, but if he does, i expect Shannahan to take a RB in the 1st. Young is good but can;t take the pounding and as much as Shannahan says he is fine with the RBBC crap, he is full of ****. ever since TD he has wanted a feature back and a change of pace guy for 5-10 carries a game.

[lex]

6-10-Wells.Maualaga,Laurititus, Mays
11-15- Lauriitius,Mays .Moore
16-20 Mays,Moore . Spikes


You dont think there is sufficient value for S in the second round to wait on taking a S?

[lex]

i believe that if Niko doesn't pan out they go MLB in the 1st, but if he does, i expect Shannahan to take a RB in the 1st. Young is good but can;t take the pounding and as much as Shannahan says he is fine with the RBBC crap, he is full of ****. ever since TD he has wanted a feature back and a change of pace guy for 5-10 carries a game.


Why do you think Shanahan would take a RB in the 1st though and not, say, the second? Look at our OLine. Its treacherously thin when you look at this year and beyond...on the interior at least. Numerous guys have age and health question marks. And you can even add Holland to the list. If his weight continues to be a problem, he wont be around long either.

Nalen-- retirement
Wiegman-- retirement
Hamilton-- concussions
Harris-- back

In the fold, possibly:
Clady
Kuper
Lichtensteiger


So basically, theres only 3 OL to feel good about being around in the foreseeable future. And since we rely tremendously on our running game, why not take a OG when you have someone like Robinsons there?

[socalorado]

Why do you think Shanahan would take a RB in the 1st though and not, say, the second? Look at our OLine. Its treacherously thin when you look at this year and beyond...on the interior at least. Numerous guys have age and health question marks. And you can even add Holland to the list. If his weight continues to be a problem, he wont be around long either.

Nalen-- retirement
Wiegman-- retirement
Hamilton-- concussions
Harris-- back

In the fold, possibly:
Clady
Kuper
Lichtensteiger


So basically, theres only 3 OL to feel good about being around in the foreseeable future. And since we rely tremendously on our running game, why not take a OG when you have someone like Robinsons there?

Yeah. after safety and MLB, DEN has to continue to address the O-line.

Round 3 Max Unger, OT,C Oregon
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: An extremely athletic and smart center who can also play offensive tackle. Max Unger's not as strong as some GMs would like, but he'll be an effective pass protector in a zone scheme.
2007: Possibly a candidate for a team with a zone-blocking scheme.
OR
Round 3 Xavier Fulton, OT Illinois
Height: 6-6. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: For a guy coming off a season-ending knee injury, Xavier Fulton played pretty well in 2007. A former defensive lineman, Fulton's athleticism will make him a good fit in a zone-blocking scheme.

[kdissette]

I know we have alot of needs but if knowshon moreno comes out and hes still on the board I would feel like a kid on christmas if we took him.

[lex]

Yeah. after safety and MLB, DEN has to continue to address the O-line.

Round 3 Max Unger, OT,C Oregon
Height: 6-5. Weight: 300.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: An extremely athletic and smart center who can also play offensive tackle. Max Unger's not as strong as some GMs would like, but he'll be an effective pass protector in a zone scheme.
2007: Possibly a candidate for a team with a zone-blocking scheme.
OR
Round 3 Xavier Fulton, OT Illinois
Height: 6-6. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
5/24/08: For a guy coming off a season-ending knee injury, Xavier Fulton played pretty well in 2007. A former defensive lineman, Fulton's athleticism will make him a good fit in a zone-blocking scheme.

No, OL is just as legitimate of a need as any other position. Weve already discussed that theres value in the 2nd for safety too. I really hope we hold off on drafting a RB, unless its Wells, assuming he stays healthy.

[lex]

I know we have alot of needs but if knowshon moreno comes out and hes still on the board I would feel like a kid on christmas if we took him.

Why?

[socalorado]

No, OL is just as legitimate of a need as any other position. Weve already discussed that theres value in the 2nd for safety too. I really hope we hold off on drafting a RB, unless its Wells, assuming he stays healthy.

I am not saying to not draft O-line! I want to! Even if it means in the 1st round. I doubt it, and i think MLB is a more important position as of now, but i am not wary of getting a OT in round 1.
Safety later. I agree. Bigger needs and safety is deep.

[nickademus]

I think we can expect a MLB in the first after following the camp news as much as possible it doesnt seem either Niko or helmet popper are really enough. I like the kid from USC but the road warrior JR. should be available also. I agree that we need to adress the depth on the O-line and could see a second or a third and then a late pick or two to get this done. I am not sure that Shanny didnt sign Niko so that he wouldnt have to use a 1st for a mlb and would then be able to grab wells (who would be a beast in denver) but this just doesnt seem to have worked that way. although we did win a superbowl with Donnie freakin Spragen so to say that shanny will take a mlb for sure is not really a lock.

[lex]

I think we can expect a MLB in the first after following the camp news as much as possible it doesnt seem either Niko or helmet popper are really enough. I like the kid from USC but the road warrior JR. should be available also. I agree that we need to adress the depth on the O-line and could see a second or a third and then a late pick or two to get this done. I am not sure that Shanny didnt sign Niko so that he wouldnt have to use a 1st for a mlb and would then be able to grab wells (who would be a beast in denver) but this just doesnt seem to have worked that way. although we did win a superbowl with Donnie freakin Spragen so to say that shanny will take a mlb for sure is not really a lock.

The thing is though that if we dont draft in the top 15, both Maualuga and Laurinaitis could easily be gone by then. Guards, on the other hand, might easily be found at 15-25. Its all about value. If Robinson is better than the MLBs available AND if the dropoff from Robinson than exists at other positions, Duke Robinson, becomes not such a bad pick. Here is how I would go:

1-10: Wells or Maualuga
10-15: Taylor Mays....maybe.
15-32: Duke Robinson

And actually, more important than MLB, is DT. Im not saying dont draft Maualuga but if you get in the third round and are looking at MLBs or DTs, a DT might be a better way to go given Robertsons knee.

[mattob14]

I agree with Lex that we can't forget about DT. I'm glad we picked up Robertson and I think he'll be solid, but I don't think we can count on him being here for more than 2-3 years. More depth on the inside wouldn't hurt either.

I'd rather not pick Mays in the 1st. It has nothing to do with abilities, but Safety should be deep next year and it's not a premium position anyway, so we should be able to get a good one in round 2 or 3.

I wouldn't be surprised to see another OT in the 1st next year. Unless Harris or Polumbus step up this year, we don't have a great option at RT. Find a bookend for Clady next April, leave Kuper at one Guard spot, and possibly take another mid-late round OG next year. 3 or 4 OL positions would be filled (depending on Holland's status and Leichtenstiger's development) and we could focus on Safety in round 2.

[Elway777]

I think the Broncos make playoffs and pick around 22. My draft if the Broncos pick the best player available1 Moore, A ball hawking safety that is a great tackler 2 Unger, He could play Rt 3, Jasper Brinkley, Brinkley could be the run stopper the Broncos need at Mike 4 B.J Rada ,320 defensive tackle to really stop the running game. The Broncos shore up offensive line and improve the middle of defense. The Broncos could look at maybe signing a wid receiver like Lee Evans in free agency. They could also look at another Running back maybe Brandon Jacobs or even Ricky Williams.Morris from seattle might also be a good pickup.

[bpc]

I'll come right out and say it, I would be happy if we went OL in the first two rounds next year. This team ultimately, will only go as far as Jay Cutler takes it. Give him all the protection and linemen he needs. Better blockers keeps him protected and also helps the no-named running unit we have.

We just have to keep chipping away on defensive talent and hope the guys that we drafted last year pan out on the DLine.

Dream draft would be to land these two guys in the first two rounds for me:

Andre Smith - OT - Alabama: Instantly improves the running game. Provides a bookend for Ryan Clady on the line at RT.

Alex Mack - C - Cal: The next Olin Kruetz.

We of course, would have to draft very high to get either of these guys in these respective rounds. Easily top 5 picks in the 1st and 2nd round.

[Rohirrim]

I would sell out next year's draft for Maualuga (the next Junior Seau). IMO, the difference he would make to the Bronco's D would be phenomenal. DJ, Rey and Woodyard. :~ohyah!:

[bpc]

Something scares me about Maualuga. Namely the fact that he's been nicked up a lot at USC.

Great player when he's going though. It would be hard to complain about landing him.

[lex]

I'll come right out and say it, I would be happy if we went OL in the first two rounds next year. This team ultimately, will only go as far as Jay Cutler takes it. Give him all the protection and linemen he needs. Better blockers keeps him protected and also helps the no-named running unit we have.

We just have to keep chipping away on defensive talent and hope the guys that we drafted last year pan out on the DLine.

Dream draft would be to land these two guys in the first two rounds for me:

Andre Smith - OT - Alabama: Instantly improves the running game. Provides a bookend for Ryan Clady on the line at RT.

Alex Mack - C - Cal: The next Olin Kruetz.

We of course, would have to draft very high to get either of these guys in these respective rounds. Easily top 5 picks in the 1st and 2nd round.

We just drafted Lichtensteiger.

[Premier-Ace55]

I think we need to Middle linebacker, OLine or maybe even DE, Our DE's we need more production there. Does anybody know anything about Ciron Black from LSU?

[bpc]

We just drafted Lichtensteiger.

And we drafted Ryan Harris the year before we took Ryan Clady.

Before the end of this year, Nalen and Hamilton could be forced into retirement or purged off the roster based on different issues.

[lex]

And we drafted Ryan Harris the year before we took Ryan Clady.

Before the end of this year, Nalen and Hamilton could be forced into retirement or purged off the roster based on different issues.

There are twice as many tackles as there are centers. Plus the same emphasis isnt placed on center as it is with LT.

[socalorado]

There are twice as many tackles as there are centers. Plus the same emphasis isnt placed on center as it is with LT.

Lich is a solid pick. I think that RT spot is a much more needy position as of right now, unless theres big improvement. Keeping Cutler upright is the biggest concern. I would like to see Kuper at RT instead of Harris for a game.
Get Holland back in there. We'll see.

I still say go MLB and trade up to get one if DEN has to. Get Maualuga in the 1st, and deal with the need on the O-line in the 2nd. Or safety. I wouldnt mind seeing a FA DT come in during the offseason. I am kinda pissed DEN didnt get a solid guy this last offseason. Whatever.
I think after Rey Rey and Laurinitus theres a big drop off in MLB talent.
As for injuries, Rey has just had small nagging injuries, and during that time he STILL put up huge #s. Didnt seem to slow him down. Hes a freakin machine.
Maualuga had 75 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, three sacks and a fumble recovery in 2007 . Had 78 tackles, two sacks and one pick in 2006, qualifying for the All-Pac-10 First Team.
Seems like those injuries didnt have much of an effect.

[lex]

Lich is a solid pick. I think that RT spot is a much more needy position as of right now, unless theres big improvement. Keeping Cutler upright is the biggest concern. I would like to see Kuper at RT instead of Harris for a game.
Get Holland back in there. We'll see.

Yeah, thats why Hollands weight problem affects us beyond simply plugging in someone else at RG. Im optimistic about Kuper there. If we can get an upper echelon tackle then, fine but I think Loadholt, Smith and Oher will likely go top 10, due to a premium placed on tackles. If one of them is available at where we pick, by all means, take one. Beyond that, I would be more than happy with Kuper at RT and Robinson at OG.

I still say go MLB and trade up to get one if DEN has to. Get Maualuga in the 1st, and deal with the need on the O-line in the 2nd. Or safety. I wouldnt mind seeing a FA DT come in during the offseason. I am kinda pissed DEN didnt get a solid guy this last offseason. Whatever.
I think after Rey Rey and Laurinitus theres a big drop off in MLB talent.
As for injuries, Rey has just had small nagging injuries, and during that time he STILL put up huge #s. Didnt seem to slow him down. Hes a freakin machine.
Maualuga had 75 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss, three sacks and a fumble recovery in 2007 . Had 78 tackles, two sacks and one pick in 2006, qualifying for the All-Pac-10 First Team.
Seems like those injuries didnt have much of an effect.

Im not averse to drafing Maualuga but Im not an advocate of trading up as I think he will be a top 10 pick. I think Laurinaitis is overrated. Id rather lay off Laurinaitis and maybe take McKillop or someone later. Besides, if we bolster our DT, that would also help the MLB situation. Maybe we could bring in a MLB too?

[oubronco]

Phil Loadholt, Duke Robinson, or a badass MLB

[Premier-Ace55]

I'm not sold on the OU tackles they looked very strong and athletic but there is something about Phil Loadholt in the bowl game he didn't seem that great.

How deep is the DE class this year I may still go with great DE or MLB those positions are still huge ??? for me

[Elway777]

Another guy nobody talks about the Broncos could draft is Brandon Spikes. The Bronco trade down in the first pick up extra 3 rounder and take Spikes. My new 7 round mock 1. Brondon Spikes,hits like a ton of brinks had 130 tackles but also good in coverage. 2. Vince Oghobasse., 6-6 and is a great run stopper. Sonething the Broncos don't have at defensive tackle 3a Andrew Gardner,4 year starter at Lt plus is a good run Blocker 3b Stafon Johnson, 6 ft and 213 pounds plus runns a 4-4 and average 6.9 per carry. 4a Rahard Johnson, had 92 tackles plus 8 passes broken up plus runs 4.44. 5 .Rasmus Brorden. had 1467 yards with 18 touchdowns and average over 25 yard per catch. Maybe another Bradon Marshall . 6. Kory Sperry, Practice squad TE 7.Josh Pinkard, had Acl plus DWi but runs 4.45 and could be steal in 7 round like Barnett

[socalorado]

Another guy nobody talks about the Broncos could draft is Brandon Spikes. The Bronco trade down in the first pick up extra 3 rounder and take Spikes. My new 7 round mock 1. Brondon Spikes,hits like a ton of brinks had 130 tackles but also good in coverage. 2. Vince Oghobasse., 6-6 and is a great run stopper. Sonething the Broncos don't have at defensive tackle 3a Andrew Gardner,4 year starter at Lt plus is a good run Blocker 3b Stafon Johnson, 6 ft and 213 pounds plus runns a 4-4 and average 6.9 per carry. 4a Rahard Johnson, had 92 tackles plus 8 passes broken up plus runs 4.44. 5 .Rasmus Brorden. had 1467 yards with 18 touchdowns and average over 25 yard per catch. Maybe another Bradon Marshall . 6. Kory Sperry, Practice squad TE 7.Josh Pinkard, had Acl plus DWi but runs 4.45 and could be steal in 7 round like Barnett

Pinkard will be a steal. He just needs to grow up. Hopefully, he does this season, and he will be a steal! Dude can play CB or FS.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Why do you think Shanahan would take a RB in the 1st though and not, say, the second? Look at our OLine. Its treacherously thin when you look at this year and beyond...on the interior at least. Numerous guys have age and health question marks. And you can even add Holland to the list. If his weight continues to be a problem, he wont be around long either.

Nalen-- retirement
Wiegman-- retirement
Hamilton-- concussions
Harris-- back

In the fold, possibly:
Clady
Kuper
Lichtensteiger


So basically, theres only 3 OL to feel good about being around in the foreseeable future. And since we rely tremendously on our running game, why not take a OG when you have someone like Robinsons there?

are you kidding? look at Shanny's track record. he has only taken 2 OL in the 1st round in all the time he has been here. both of those were OT. this team drafts lineman later in the draft, that is how this franchise operates. i can't see Shannahan actually use a 1st round pick on a guard or on the o-line in consecutive years although i wouldn't be surprised if he possibly drafted a center, but that was why Lichtensteiger was drafted this year to take over for Nails. So with that logic, i say he drafts a big bruising badass RB or a MLB in the 1st, and then later in the draft he starts picking up o-line players like he always does.

[lex]

are you kidding? look at Shanny's track record. he has only taken 2 OL in the 1st round in all the time he has been here. both of those were OT. this team drafts lineman later in the draft, that is how this franchise operates. i can't see Shannahan actually use a 1st round pick on a guard or on the o-line in consecutive years although i wouldn't be surprised if he possibly drafted a center, but that was why Lichtensteiger was drafted this year to take over for Nails. So with that logic, i say he drafts a big bruising badass RB or a MLB in the 1st, and then later in the draft he starts picking up o-line players like he always does.

It depends on how this season plays out and where one sees us drafting. Beyond Maualuga and Laurinaitis, theres not an obvious choice if you think we'll be drafting after 15. Plus there are age and health concerns on the interior. If you can pick someone earlier and they deliver your chances of him contributing right away increase vs the projects we've taken on in the past. The era your describing had us taking OLinemen late and letting them work their way into the lineup after a couple of years. The old method would have discouraged us from taking Clady especially after Foster didnt work out. Plus, there was a different source of input on drafting personnel in the past.

[Elway777]

I'll come right out and say it, I would be happy if we went OL in the first two rounds next year. This team ultimately, will only go as far as Jay Cutler takes it. Give him all the protection and linemen he needs. Better blockers keeps him protected and also helps the no-named running unit we have.

We just have to keep chipping away on defensive talent and hope the guys that we drafted last year pan out on the DLine.

Dream draft would be to land these two guys in the first two rounds for me:

Andre Smith - OT - Alabama: Instantly improves the running game. Provides a bookend for Ryan Clady on the line at RT.

Alex Mack - C - Cal: The next Olin Kruetz.

We of course, would have to draft very high to get either of these guys in these respective rounds. Easily top 5 picks in the 1st and 2nd round. I would not mind drafting both these guys in the first and second then take a Mlb in the 3 round. This is a real deep draft for MLB so the Broncos could still get a good MLB in the 2 or 3. That would be a great offensive line Clady,Hamilton,Mack,Kuper,Smith. The Broncos could then target someone like Tank Johnson in free agency to play behind Robinson and Thomas. I Still have the Broncos taken Best Mlb in the first then going for Dt like Oghobasse or Ganger in the second.

[bpc]

Well i'm going to come right on out and say it, Ryan Harris keep proving me wrong. The guy is looking VERY good in his first two preseason games. If he keeps this up, we won't need to go OT in back to back years but i'm still open to taking a center like Mack early. I don't know what we have with Lichtensteiger but I know what we would be getting with Mack and if this team keeps performing the way it has, we'll be pushing for a playoff spot.

I'm moving WR's up as a priority for me as well. SURE, we'll be fine this year with Marshall, Royal, DJack, and Stokely but the latter two don't have that much more time IMO. Cutler is the type of player who is going to make WR's look good but with that in mind, we need to keep putting targets out there that can get open so he can use that rocket right arm.

After the 1st two games, MLB is still a huge concern although I think we have depth. I love Spencer Larson but it's hard to say what kind of chance he's going to be given at MLB when they are asking him to learn FB as well. Doesn't look good.

DL is general is a concern still, especially with depth at tackle and Roberson's knee. Safety can be thrown in there as well.

SO if it was me, I would have a draft that looks something like this... BTW, feel free to flame away. (My intent is to treat Cutler like how Indy treats Manning... build around the player who is going to take you to the top.)

1. Percy Harven - WR - Florida:

Draft Scout Snapshot: 2007: 11 GP; 10 GS; Rush: 83-764-9.2-6; Rec: 59-858-14.5-4; Started 10 games while seeing game action in 11… Missed games against South Carolina and Florida Atlantic due to illness… Second team All-SEC selection by the AP and coaches... 2006: 13 GP; 5 GS; Rush: 41-428-10.4-3; Rec: 34-427-12.6-2; Named to the Freshman All-America team presented by Scripps/FWAA… Collected second-team Freshman All-America honors from The Sporting News…Chosen as the SEC Freshman of the Year by the league's coaches.

2. Alex Mack - C - Cal:

Draft Scout Snapshot: 2007: Selected as a finalist for the Rimington Trophy as the top center in the nation ... earned the Morris Trophy as the top offensive lineman in the Pac-10 as voted on by the league's defensive linemen ... one of just three players to be a unanimous first-team All-Pac-10 selection ... a first-team All-American at center by The Sporting News and an honorable mention All-American by SI.com ... honored as the midseason first-team All-American center by Phil Steele's Magazine as well as a midseason first-team All-American by SI.com and Rivals.com ... rated as the No. 1 junior center in the nation by Mel Kiper ... also a semifinalist for the Rotary Lombardi Award ... anchored offensive line which allowed just 11 sacks (best in the Pac-10, third in the nation) ... voted the team's Most Outstanding Offensive Lineman (Brick Muller Award) ... led the team in pancakes, knockdowns and cuts...2006: Garnered first-team All-Pac-10 honors after starting all 13 games at the center position ... second team Pac-10 All-Academic selection ... voted the team's Most Improved Offensive Lineman ... finished the regular season with team-highs of 25.5 pancakes and 57.5 knockdowns...2005: Spent the season as the backup to two-time first-team all-league center Marvin Philip ... got in some quality reps over the course of the year, playing in seven games ... had five pancake blocks ... an honorable mention Pac-10 All-Academic selection. 2004: Redshirt.

3. Derek Pegues - FS - Miss. St:

Draft Scout Snapshot: 2007: 13 GP; 13 GS; PR: 27-268-9.9-1 KR: 24-544-22.7-0; 32 Sol-50 TT, 2 TFL, 5 INT, 7 PBU, 1 FR; Named first-team, All-Southeastern Conference at free safety by the Associated Press and by national web site Rivals.com . . . Earned second-team, All-SEC by the league's coaches . . . Started all 13 games at free safety for the Bulldogs as a junior . . . Registered 50 tackles, including two for loss (minus 3 yards) . . . Had five pass interceptions (120 yards and one touchdown) and seven pass deflections . . . His interception total was sixth highest single-season mark in school history . . .Credited with one fumble recovery . . . Returned 24 kickoffs for 544 yards, a 22.7-yard average . . . Finished 10th in the SEC in kick return average (22.7) . . . Also returned 27 punts for 268 yards, a 9.9-yard average, with one touchdown . . . Finished fourth in the SEC in punt return average (9.9) . . . Made a spring move from cornerback to safety where he quickly established himself as an all-star performer . . . Pre-season all-Southeastern Conference candidate by both the league's coaches and writers. 2006: 12 GP; 12 GS; PR: 25-350-14-1 KR: 29-687-23.7-0; 26 Sol-32 TT, 1.5 TFL, 4 INT, 5 PBU

4. Jason Phillips - ILB - TCU:

Draft Scout Snapshot: 2007: 13 GP; 13 GS; KR: 1-0-0-0; 61 Sol-87 TT, 11 TFL, 2 SK, 2 INT, 6 PBU; Named the State's Best Linebacker by Dave Campbell's Texas Football ... was also on the Dave Campbell's first-team All-Texas College Team ... a second-team All-Mountain West Conference selection ... named all-conference for the third consecutive season ... TCU's leading tackler with 87 stops ... has increased his tackle total each season ... has 231 career stops to top all active Frogs ... his 10.5 tackles for a loss tied for second on TCU ... tied for fourth on the Frogs with six pass break-ups ... started every game for the third consecutive season ... appeared on watch lists for the Rotary Lombardi Award and Dick Butkus Award...2006: 13 GP; 13 GS; 38 Sol-73 TT, 6 TFL, 1 SK, 1 INT, 2 PBU, 1 FR; First-team All-Mountain West Conference... the Frogs' second-leading tackler with 73 stops... closed the regular season by tying a career-high with 10 tackles, seven solo, against Air Force... had a tackle for a loss and a sack in that total...2005: 12 GP; 12 GS; 41 Sol-71 TT, 8.5 TFL, 1 SK, 1 PBU; A second-team Freshman All-American by The Sporting News... named the Mountain West Conference Freshman of the Year by CollegeFootballNews.com... became the first freshman defensive player in Mountain West Conference history to earn first- or second-team All-MWC honors... was a second-team pick... started all 12 games in topping the Horned Frogs with 71 tackles... tied for third on the team with 8.5 stops for a loss... recorded a tackle behind the line of scrimmage in nine of the 12 contests...2004: Redshirted as a true freshman fullback.

5. George Hypolite - DT - CU:

Draft Scout Snapshot: 2007: 13 GP; 12 GS; 28 Sol-51 TT, 11 TFL, 6 SK, 1 INT, 1 PBU, 3 QBH; First team All-Big 12. 2006: 12 GP; 12 GS; 31 Sol-50 TT, 13 TFL, 2.5 SK, 3 PBU, 7 QBH; He earned honorable mention All-Big 12 honors by the league coaches, and was also an honorable mention All-Colorado performer as selected by the state's chapter of the National Football Foundation. He played in all 12 games, including eight starts at defensive tackle, and was in for 601 snaps from scrimmage. He had 50 tackles (31 solo), with his 13 tackles for loss the second most on the team; his two-and-a-half quarterback sacks tied for the third most. He also had seven hurries, four third down stops, two fumble recoveries, one caused, and three passes broken up. 2005: 11 GP; 0 GS; 5 Sol-10 TT, 1 TFL, 1 PBU, 3 QBH; He saw action in 12 games including the Champs Sports Bowl (no starts), playing for the first time against New Mexico State in the second game of the year. He saw most of his action at tackle, but he did play some at end, especially around midseason when the position was hit hard by injury. In playing 203 snaps from scrimmage, he was in on 10 tackles (five solo), with one for a loss; he also registered three third down stops, three quarterback hurries and a chasedown (near sack). The coaching staff never considered redshirting him after the first impressions he made at the start of fall camp.

[Rohirrim]

I'm going to have the easiest time of it during the next draft. All I want is Maualuga. I don't care if the Broncos have to give up five picks to go to #2 and get him. What would you give to have another Junior Seau anchoring the middle of the Broncos front seven for the next fifteen years? As Jon Luc Piccard used to say, "Make it so."

The Broncos O is going to be damn good, IMO. The pieces are coming together (although I agree with the idea of the Mack pick). The reason we don't need to spend our top draft picks on more WRs is because this Oline is going to be good and Cutler is going to be even better. In other words, together they will make a good WR look much better than he is. Marshall, Royal and Stokely are a truly solid core that by themselves will be extremely difficult to defend against. Why go for an embarrassment of riches when you've got weaknesses elsewhere? The investment must be made on D. That's the weak spot. Right up the middle.

[lex]

I would not mind drafting both these guys in the first and second then take a Mlb in the 3 round. This is a real deep draft for MLB so the Broncos could still get a good MLB in the 2 or 3. That would be a great offensive line Clady,Hamilton,Mack,Kuper,Smith. The Broncos could then target someone like Tank Johnson in free agency to play behind Robinson and Thomas. I Still have the Broncos taken Best Mlb in the first then going for Dt like Oghobasse or Ganger in the second.

Do you mean the same Granger that was busted last year for shoplifting?

[bpc]

I'm going to have the easiest time of it during the next draft. All I want is Maualuga. I don't care if the Broncos have to give up five picks to go to #2 and get him. What would you give to have another Junior Seau anchoring the middle of the Broncos front seven for the next fifteen years? As Jon Luc Piccard used to say, "Make it so."

The Broncos O is going to be damn good, IMO. The pieces are coming together (although I agree with the idea of the Mack pick). The reason we don't need to spend our top draft picks on more WRs is because this Oline is going to be good and Cutler is going to be even better. In other words, together they will make a good WR look much better than he is. Marshall, Royal and Stokely are a truly solid core that by themselves will be extremely difficult to defend against. Why go for an embarrassment of riches when you've got weaknesses elsewhere? The investment must be made on D. That's the weak spot. Right up the middle.

Cutler will make his targets look good. Then again so did Peyton Manning and he had Marvin Harrison yet that didn't stop them from taking Reggie Wayne. Look at them now, a super bowl victory later and a annual 12-4, 13-3 team.

I would totally model our team after the Colts. Their defense had some rough years but that offense has always been unstoppable and a great buffer for their organization building itself up in other areas.

[lex]

Cutler will make his targets look good. Then again so did Peyton Manning and he had Marvin Harrison yet that didn't stop them from taking Reggie Wayne. Look at them now, a super bowl victory later and a annual 12-4, 13-3 team.

I would totally model our team after the Colts. Their defense had some rough years but that offense has always been unstoppable and a great buffer for their organization building itself up in other areas.


I think if we could run the ball like we once could, we would. We had a HOF QB then and still dictated terms by running the ball. We dont really have that kind of a running game now. We are passing more out of necessity, ie because we are stronger at passing than we are at running. Instead of modeling ourselves after the Colts, Id rather see us model our acquisitions with our SB teams in mind.

[BroncoMan4ever]

It depends on how this season plays out and where one sees us drafting. Beyond Maualuga and Laurinaitis, theres not an obvious choice if you think we'll be drafting after 15. Plus there are age and health concerns on the interior. If you can pick someone earlier and they deliver your chances of him contributing right away increase vs the projects we've taken on in the past. The era your describing had us taking OLinemen late and letting them work their way into the lineup after a couple of years. The old method would have discouraged us from taking Clady especially after Foster didnt work out. Plus, there was a different source of input on drafting personnel in the past.

i see your point and i think with the guys on the roster and practice squad, we can continue that way of drafting lineman later in the draft. also, considering that Denver is becoming a passing team it will no longer take a later round draft pick 3 years to learn the system. so it isn't necessary to spend a 1st on o-lineman.
had Lepsis not retired there is no way that Denver would have drafted Clady, and currently Stewart would be our stud RB.

[bpc]

If we continue to play this 4-3 with the SS walked up, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Denver goes after Mays. That SS has to be one bad ass dude because he's going to have to be physical on the LOS and able to turn and run to get into coverage. It's almost a little bit like a 'cowboy/bandit' or 'rover' position that Atwater used to play. You have to be talented as hell to do it though. I love the defense but we don't have the right player for the position at this current time though. Neither Hamza, Manual or Barrett are going to be physical or consistent enough to do it.

I'll be watching Taylor Mays a lot this year.

[lex]

i see your point and i think with the guys on the roster and practice squad, we can continue that way of drafting lineman later in the draft. also, considering that Denver is becoming a passing team it will no longer take a later round draft pick 3 years to learn the system. so it isn't necessary to spend a 1st on o-lineman.
had Lepsis not retired there is no way that Denver would have drafted Clady, and currently Stewart would be our stud RB.


We're a passing team because we are stronger at the pass than we are at the run. I think we'd prefer to be equally strong at the run, namely in the short yardage situations, and a good way to address that is by bolstering your interior OLine. I also think that Lepsis wasnt going to prevent us from addressing our problem at OT. I think Shanahan knowing what he has in Cutler wants to give him every chance to succeed and Lepsis wasnt getting it done. What kind of tells me that is that we not only took Clady but also a WR in the 2nd along with signing 3 WRs.

[bpc]

It would be nice to get an every down HB but with Cutler being the face, I think we can afford to take one later and give them more time to break through.

Really, it just sucks that Torain went down because he will remain an unknown quantity until next season.

[Rohirrim]

If we continue to play this 4-3 with the SS walked up, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Denver goes after Mays. That SS has to be one bad ass dude because he's going to have to be physical on the LOS and able to turn and run to get into coverage. It's almost a little bit like a 'cowboy/bandit' or 'rover' position that Atwater used to play. You have to be talented as hell to do it though. I love the defense but we don't have the right player for the position at this current time though. Neither Hamza, Manual or Barrett are going to be physical or consistent enough to do it.

I'll be watching Taylor Mays a lot this year.

Actually, that's the role I thought Woodyard could play in Denver when I was watching him in Kentucky.

[bpc]

I love Woodyard's instincts but he doesn't have those quick twitch fibers which his straight line speed would suggest. I hear you though. I thought he could work at safety since he was such a tweener.

I don't think he's even on DJ's level in terms of athleticism. It might be he is thinking too much and reacting slower.

I do like him as a player, just want to make that part clear.

[BroncoMan4ever]

We're a passing team because we are stronger at the pass than we are at the run. I think we'd prefer to be equally strong at the run, namely in the short yardage situations, and a good way to address that is by bolstering your interior OLine. I also think that Lepsis wasnt going to prevent us from addressing our problem at OT. I think Shanahan knowing what he has in Cutler wants to give him every chance to succeed and Lepsis wasnt getting it done. What kind of tells me that is that we not only took Clady but also a WR in the 2nd along with signing 3 WRs.

good point, but even if your offensive line is great you still need at least a decent RB who can fight for yardage. Our RB's can get a couple yards a pop just based on the line getting some push and creating a hole, but the problem comes when after the 2 or 3 yards the RB got because of the o-line working, a single LB or DB hits our no talent RB's and they drop as easily as a hooker drops to her knees.

our o-line is not as great as they have been in years past, but they are still good enough to get a RB some yardage. Now the difference between getting good yards and some rushing TD's out of the line we have lies with the RB. our weak RB's are not strong enough or talented enough to get anything good out of what the line gives, but a stud RB could get a lot out of what our current line offers.

And we are becoming a passing team because Jay is a really good passing QB, and we are more talented at receiver than at RB

[lex]

good point, but even if your offensive line is great you still need at least a decent RB who can fight for yardage. Our RB's can get a couple yards a pop just based on the line getting some push and creating a hole, but the problem comes when after the 2 or 3 yards the RB got because of the o-line working, a single LB or DB hits our no talent RB's and they drop as easily as a hooker drops to her knees.

our o-line is not as great as they have been in years past, but they are still good enough to get a RB some yardage. Now the difference between getting good yards and some rushing TD's out of the line we have lies with the RB. our weak RB's are not strong enough or talented enough to get anything good out of what the line gives, but a stud RB could get a lot out of what our current line offers.

And we are becoming a passing team because Jay is a really good passing QB, and we are more talented at receiver than at RB

Id like to get a RB too...with a 1st or 2nd round pick. No one championed that idea more than I did before the last draft. It was good year for junior running backs but we ignored them and took the path we did. With that in mind, I actually think we're a couple drafts away (2010) from taking one that high...unless we can get someone like Beanie Wells next year which seems unlikely (or maye this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQfITF1oPQ). No other position is maximized like a RB in Denver but the overwhelming myth seems to be that a mid tier running back is either good enough or as good as a top tier RB. People often forget that a top tier RBs ability is also enhanced by playing here by the same factor I would have to say. As a matter of fact this idea Im describing of a utilization factor, diminishes draft risk and actually makes 1st round picks the least risky if we take a RB high. Because the difference in RBs is amplified by the utilization factor Ive mentioned, there is more value in RBs than if you take a 1st rd DT vs a 2nd round DT. Relatively speaking the difference between a 1st round DT and a 2nd round DT is marginal in comparison to how the difference in running backs are amplified. Sorry, thats probably too muddled and too much math but I think people have bought the idea that we're better off not drafting a RB in the first, when in reality to not put an emphasis on our running game is minimizing a strength. Thats why I wanted us to go RB this year. But we didnt.

But to be truthful with you, I disagree with your analysis. One of our biggest problems last year was not being able to finish long runs by putting it in the end zone. Selvin Young gave us a lot last year considering where he was drafted and he had a lot of long runs but a lot of long runs that ended inside the 20 and not in the end zone. Inside the 20 is where we struggle. So really, you can look at from that stand point that someone who would convert those would be just as useful as the guy you want who gets 3 instead of 2 yards.

Another part of the argument for a RB last year was that if you take a RB, you at least have a good RB but it actually takes 5 guys to play line...so by taking RB you can knock out a big part of it. But since we took Clady, we are incrementally closer to building our OLine. Thats why I think Robinson would make sense.

[Elway777]

I love Woodyard's instincts but he doesn't have those quick twitch fibers which his straight line speed would suggest. I hear you though. I thought he could work at safety since he was such a tweener.

I don't think he's even on DJ's level in terms of athleticism. It might be he is thinking too much and reacting slower.

I do like him as a player, just want to make that part clear. I think the Broncos keep him as a special teams ace for one or two years and let him try to add 15 pounds of muscle then play him at stongside linebacker.I also think the Broncos could keep 7 liebackers with Green and Beck figthing for the 7 spot.

[BroncoMan4ever]

As LEX pointed out a few posts ago. In Denver a RB's talent is increased and shown better making him seem like a better player than he actually is. Now with that thought in mind, wouldn't it make sense to get a top flight RB with skills that would look good on a ****ty team to come to Denver and look like a football god in our offense.
For example, we have fielded scrubs in our offense and they are all hitting huge yards because of it. Portis is still good in Washington, but he will never again get near 1600 yards and 15TD's in a season again. Olandis Gary had 1200 rushing yards and then was let go and did nothing, Mike Anderson was rookie of the year with 1500 rushing yards left Denver and is nothing. Mike Bell looked like he could be a beast in the league, and now no team will touch him.
So i say get a RB that could put up good numbers in a place like KC and in Denver he runs for 1700 and 15 TD's and in turn Jay's passing numbers go up and as a result our offense leads the team back into elite status.

[lex]

As LEX pointed out a few posts ago. In Denver a RB's talent is increased and shown better making him seem like a better player than he actually is. Now with that thought in mind, wouldn't it make sense to get a top flight RB with skills that would look good on a ****ty team to come to Denver and look like a football god in our offense.
For example, we have fielded scrubs in our offense and they are all hitting huge yards because of it. Portis is still good in Washington, but he will never again get near 1600 yards and 15TD's in a season again. Olandis Gary had 1200 rushing yards and then was let go and did nothing, Mike Anderson was rookie of the year with 1500 rushing yards left Denver and is nothing. Mike Bell looked like he could be a beast in the league, and now no team will touch him.
So i say get a RB that could put up good numbers in a place like KC and in Denver he runs for 1700 and 15 TD's and in turn Jay's passing numbers go up and as a result our offense leads the team back into elite status.

One thing that should be pointed out though is that our OLine has been in a state of erosion since we have been trying to acquire CBs hand over fist. Like others Im optimistic about Clady but you still have Hamilton with concussion concerns and Nalen who is getting up there in years. And now we have Holland who lets himself go in the offseason. Not to mention Harris' back problems which may require Kuper to play RT.

[GarretBarnes]

Well, Lynch's departure highlights the need at the Safety position. With the wealth of good Safeties next year, there's a very good chance the Broncs go that way. If the Broncos have a poor year, at least we'll have a shot at getting the first guy on the list.

Any thoughts about these guys?

# 1 Taylor Mays*, SS/FS, USC
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick.
5/19/09: Taylor Mays' size and speed combination is sick, and what could ultimately allow him to be the first safety taken in April 2009. Mays plays free safety at USC, but I see him as more of a strong safety at the next level.

2007: A 6-4, 225-pound safety who runs a 4.3? Pretty sick. As a freshman, Taylor Mays started 12 games, recorded 62 tackles and picked off three passes.

#2 Myron Rolle*, SS, Florida State
Height: 6-2. Weight: 218.
Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round (2009): Top 20 Pick.
5/19/09: Myron Rolle's triangle numbers pale in comparison to Taylor Mays', but a 4.4 from a 6-2, 218-pound safety ain't too shabby. Rolle has 23 consecutive starts entering the 2008 campaign.

2007: A player with no weaknesses in his game, Myron Rolle started the final 10 games of his freshman year, finishing third on the team with 77 tackles.

#3 William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri
Height: 6-1. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.45.
Projected Round (2009): Top 20 Pick.
5/19/09: Looks to be a good fit at either safety position at the next level. William Moore had an incredible 2007 campaign, notching seven picks and qualifying as a second-team All-American.

2007: An interception machine and the leader of Missouri's defense. Voted as a Second-Team All-American.


#4 Kam Chancellor*, SS, Virginia Tech
Height: 6-4. Weight: 225.
Projected 40 Time: 4.50.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.
2007: An extremely athletic safety - seems like this draft class is laden with guys like that.

Myron Roll definitely stands out there. He may be the best safety in the class, the one question is if we want a SS. If not than Mays or Moore would both be great picks. But until then let's focus on our last draft. All :notworthy Eddie Royal!

[theAPAOps5]

MLB anything else would be stupid.

[BroncoMan4ever]

One thing that should be pointed out though is that our OLine has been in a state of erosion since we have been trying to acquire CBs hand over fist. Like others Im optimistic about Clady but you still have Hamilton with concussion concerns and Nalen who is getting up there in years. And now we have Holland who lets himself go in the offseason. Not to mention Harris' back problems which may require Kuper to play RT.

Harris has come back from the back problem after having it fixed with surgery, add in that he had a year to condition and get himself into great shape.
Clady is better than even some of us thought he could be this season
After this offseason i am sure that Holland won't let himself go. He basically went through 3 weeks of torture due to his weight gain.
Kuper can play ever spot on the line except center and Lichtensteiger was drafted to take over for Nails in a year or 2. and this season Weigman can step in for him if he is too hurt to play.
Gandy has experience as a starting LG with Indianapolis so he can play.
Polumbus has talent and is going to the practice squad where he will get another year experience and be ready to take over RT is Harris gets hurt.

also PJ Alexander and Pears are available in case of emergency.

I think the line has pretty good depth and is not a major issue considering we have a mix of veterans with young guys.

[lex]

Harris has come back from the back problem after having it fixed with surgery, add in that he had a year to condition and get himself into great shape.
Clady is better than even some of us thought he could be this season
After this offseason i am sure that Holland won't let himself go. He basically went through 3 weeks of torture due to his weight gain.
Kuper can play ever spot on the line except center and Lichtensteiger was drafted to take over for Nails in a year or 2. and this season Weigman can step in for him if he is too hurt to play.
Gandy has experience as a starting LG with Indianapolis so he can play.
Polumbus has talent and is going to the practice squad where he will get another year experience and be ready to take over RT is Harris gets hurt.

also PJ Alexander and Pears are available in case of emergency.

I think the line has pretty good depth and is not a major issue considering we have a mix of veterans with young guys.

I dont want guys who can can play. I want guys who can play well. I remember the optimism with Pears last year because there was a wide perception that he was a good LT when filling in for Lepsis the prior season. Pears was awful last year but you heard the same types of things said about him based on what he had done previously. In stead of using duct tape on the offensive line, Id rather have someone who is a fully functional piece of the line.

[oubronco]

D-Tackle, D-Tackle, D-Tackle, oh and MLB

[NFLBRONCO]

If a stud OL is available we should consider it. I think LB will be high priority unless LB corp plays like demons this year. DT is also a great way to go.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I dont want guys who can can play. I want guys who can play well. I remember the optimism with Pears last year because there was a wide perception that he was a good LT when filling in for Lepsis the prior season. Pears was awful last year but you heard the same types of things said about him based on what he had done previously. In stead of using duct tape on the offensive line, Id rather have someone who is a fully functional piece of the line.

what i was getting at, is we have a good mix of youth and age on the line. We have guys with experience all over the line, so i don't think o-line should be top priority in the first round next year. Should we draft some o-line guys next season.....Hell yes! but i don't think it is necessary to use our 1st day of picks on the line. I would much rather in round 1-3 draft MLB, RB, DT then on day 2, OL, DL, WR, S.

I think Barrett and Rodgers will emerge as our starting safeties by the end of the year and i don't think it is going to be a an area of major need.

[TheChamp24]

I'm expecting us to pick between 12-18 this year, and that probably would mean one of these guys:
James Laurinaitis
Taylor Mays
William Moore
Darry Beckwith
Duke Robinson

Laurinaitis and Beckwith for MLB, I think this needs to be adressed.
Mays and Moore for Safety
Duke for getting a beast at Guard

[bpc]

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Solidify the center spot and we'll have the best line in the league in a few short years.

[lex]

I have a question for you guys. If the following are in the draft in 2009, should we take one of them with a 1st or 2nd?

Knowshon Moreno
James Davis
CJ Spiller
DeMarco Murray
Lesean McCoy

I would have listed Wells but unless were picking in the top 10.

[lex]

I went through a site looking for some more athletic linemen correlating 40 time to athleticism and identified the following. Im a little more familiar with Petrus. He is very athletic but not exactly the strongest guy. Sims gave Arkansas interior OLine fits. But the guy can definitely move as he is converted from another position and very athletic. Does anyone know about any of these guys?


Mitch Petrus, Arkansas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.17.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
5/25/08: In his first full season as a starter, Mitch Petrus qualified for the All-SEC second team, thanks to the production of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones.


Andy Kemp, Wisconsin
Height: 6-5. Weight: 318.
Projected 40 Time: 5.14.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.


Ray Feinga, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 329.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
5/25/08: Despite missing one game for violating team rules, Ray Feinga, who's pretty quick for a monstrous lineman, qualified for the All-Mountain West first team.

[TheChamp24]

I have a question for you guys. If the following are in the draft in 2009, should we take one of them with a 1st or 2nd?

Knowshon Moreno
James Davis
CJ Spiller
DeMarco Murray
Lesean McCoy

I would have listed Wells but unless were picking in the top 10.

I'm already not very fond of Murray, I don't think he is that great of a RB. He has talent, and could be a decent RB in the NFL, but nothing "great", so no 1st or 2nd on him.
Honestly, for drafting a RB, it all depends on how Young, Hall and Torrain do this year. If we don't have a 2,000 yards rushing and 12 rushing TD's as a team, then I say it is a possibility.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I went through a site looking for some more athletic linemen correlating 40 time to athleticism and identified the following. Im a little more familiar with Petrus. He is very athletic but not exactly the strongest guy. Sims gave Arkansas interior OLine fits. But the guy can definitely move as he is converted from another position and very athletic. Does anyone know about any of these guys?


Mitch Petrus, Arkansas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.17.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
5/25/08: In his first full season as a starter, Mitch Petrus qualified for the All-SEC second team, thanks to the production of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones.


Andy Kemp, Wisconsin
Height: 6-5. Weight: 318.
Projected 40 Time: 5.14.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.


Ray Feinga, BYU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 329.
Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
Projected Round (2009): 5-6.
5/25/08: Despite missing one game for violating team rules, Ray Feinga, who's pretty quick for a monstrous lineman, qualified for the All-Mountain West first team.

i am not so sure that Denver is going to continue on its usual drafting of smaller lineman who are really fast and athletic. I am thinking they are changing into bigger guys who are strong but ave good technique and footwork.

[lex]

i am not so sure that Denver is going to continue on its usual drafting of smaller lineman who are really fast and athletic. I am thinking they are changing into bigger guys who are strong but ave good technique and footwork.


Perhaps you should check out the weight on the guys listed. Theyre hardly small. I hope youre right. I hope they start taking bigger guys who are mobile enough instead of mobile guys that they hope are strong enough. I acknowledge that bigger isnt necessarily better but you have a better margin for error than when you pick someone so small he has to be almost technically perfect. Weve had that before but its not safe to assume thats what youll get when you take someone small.

[Broncos_OTM]

The safety class is DEEP. i think we should wait to the second and try to take nic harris if avaiable. Defensive End and MLB are my biggest glaring needs.

[ohiobronco2]

The safety class is DEEP. i think we should wait to the second and try to take nic harris if avaiable. Defensive End and MLB are my biggest glaring needs.


Boy, wouldn't it be nice to be able to make a run at Julius Peppers. I don't know if we will have the cap room, but that would be sweet. Depending on how we play this year, we may also have a shot at either Rey or James, both look like very talented MLB's.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Perhaps you should check out the weight on the guys listed. Theyre hardly small. I hope youre right. I hope they start taking bigger guys who are mobile enough instead of mobile guys that they hope are strong enough. I acknowledge that bigger isnt necessarily better but you have a better margin for error than when you pick someone so small he has to be almost technically perfect. Weve had that before but its not safe to assume thats what youll get when you take someone small.

that's what i said. Nails is under 300lbs so is Hamilton Kuper is right at about 300 and so is Harris. I am thinking eventually the line will be in the 320-330lbs range

[Broncos_OTM]

Boy, wouldn't it be nice to be able to make a run at Julius Peppers. I don't know if we will have the cap room, but that would be sweet. Depending on how we play this year, we may also have a shot at either Rey or James, both look like very talented MLB's.

especially after seeing peppers Bull rush his tackle right into the QB

[ohiobronco2]

especially after seeing peppers Bull rush his tackle right into the QB

And that wasn't just any tackle either. Was Chris Samuels, who is a pro bowl caliber player. Atleast he has been. :approve:

[Kaylore]

If Lichtensteiger develops we can afford to go late round again on O-line. Right now it looks like MLB is going to be our biggest need followed by safety.

[elsid13]

I have a question for you guys. If the following are in the draft in 2009, should we take one of them with a 1st or 2nd?

Knowshon Moreno - Nice player, potential to be a Ronnie Brown type back. Worth a late 1st
James Davis - Solid player reminds me of Clinton Portis. Second rounder
CJ Spiller - Fastest player I ever seen with ball in his hands. To small to be a full time back in the NFL. He reminds me of taller Slaton. I think he 3rd rounder if he comes out.

DeMarco Murray - Haven't seen enough to make informed comment
Lesean McCoy Haven't seen enough to make informed comment

I would have listed Wells but unless were picking in the top 10.

My comment in red

[Rohirrim]

I'm watching USC beat up on Virginia. For the first time ever I would advise the Broncos to deal their entire draft for one player: Rey Maualuga. He runs like DJ and weighs 260. He blows up play after play. You see a player like this once every thirty years, maybe.

[lex]

I'm watching USC beat up on Virginia. For the first time ever I would advise the Broncos to deal their entire draft for one player: Rey Maualuga. He runs like DJ and weighs 260. He blows up play after play. You see a player like this once every thirty years, maybe.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2040425&postcount=53

[JCMElway]

If Lichtensteiger develops we can afford to go late round again on O-line. Right now it looks like MLB is going to be our biggest need followed by safety.

agreed.

[bpc]

Jeff Owens down for UGA, probably for the year. There's another top prospect gone at a very shallow position.

[Elway777]

Moreno look pretty good. He had like 3 touchdowns on 8 carries. I think Wells or Moreno could also be possibly first round picks. Maybe the Broncos then could target Dansby to play middle linebacker in free agency or Ray Lewis. I also like what I saw from Caldwell from Alabama. Caldwell would make a good 3 round pick to replace Nalen. This would be a Dream Draft 1. Moreno 2 . Spikes 3 Caldwell .

[socalorado]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2040425&postcount=53
Sorry, LEX. But if this guy is there, its a no brainer.
Dont get all wound up trying to make a case for a RB in the 1st again, only to disappoint yourself when DEN takes the best MLB to come out in years.

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[skpac1001]

Sorry, LEX. But if this guy is there, its a no brainer.
Dont get all wound up trying to make a case for a RB in the 1st again, only to disappoint yourself when DEN takes the best MLB to come out in years.



If we do use a 1st rounder on a mlb, I hope its this guy, or somebody currently off the radar. I am no expert, but the Ohio State MLB leaves me a little cold as a 1st round pick.

[*Famous*]

Please Please take Rey Rey!! Just think of how much of an upgrade this would be to our Defense, and we haven't even played a single game this season. The problem is, i don't think that we will have a pick low enough to get him. That means we will have to trade up, and we never do that!

[SpringStein]

Please Please take Rey Rey!! Just think of how much of an upgrade this would be to our Defense, and we haven't even played a single game this season. The problem is, i don't think that we will have a pick low enough to get him. That means we will have to trade up, and we never do that!

Traded up from 21 to 17 with Bengals and selected DJ Williams.

Traded up with Atlanta to #15 from late 20's and then with Rams to #11 to get Cutler.

Traded up from 21 to 17 to draft Jarvis Moss.

Traded a bunch of picks to move up to 4th round to get Thomas.

Not sure you can say we never trade up to get a guy we want...

[NFLBRONCO]

Traded up from 21 to 17 with Bengals and selected DJ Williams.

Traded up with Atlanta to #15 from late 20's and then with Rams to #11 to get Cutler.

Traded up from 21 to 17 to draft Jarvis Moss.

Traded a bunch of picks to move up to 4th round to get Thomas.

Not sure you can say we never trade up to get a guy we want...

Hi buddy

The Moss trade up still is a head scratcher to me. Have I ever told you how much I wanted Nelson or Meriweathwer more?

[SpringStein]

Hi buddy

The Moss trade up still is a head scratcher to me. Have I ever told you how much I wanted Nelson or Meriweathwer more?

No you didn't. ;)

I was thinking when the announcement of the trade up was made it was for Jon Beason. I remember sending an IM to Blitzing Dog saying did we really have to trade up to get Beason? I would have liked Nelson at the time as well- but have given up on the Broncos ever spending a high pick on a S.

[Inkana7]

Jags would never have let us trade up for Nelson.

[lex]

Sorry, LEX. But if this guy is there, its a no brainer.
Dont get all wound up trying to make a case for a RB in the 1st again, only to disappoint yourself when DEN takes the best MLB to come out in years.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fePeNodKSf9g/610x.jpg


Reading is fundamental. He's not talking about "if he is there." If you read any of my posts Im an advocate of Maualuga but not trading all of our picks to get him. And actually, Ive been a stronger proponent of OG. And its not really so much me as much as its guys like you and your obsession with that overhyped program.

[Rohirrim]

Reading is fundamental. He's not talking about "if he is there." If you read any of my posts Im an advocate of Maualuga but not trading all of our picks to get him. And actually, Ive been a stronger proponent of OG. And its not really so much me as much as its guys like you and your obsession with that overhyped program.

Aha! The worms come out. It's "that overhyped program." Ha!

[lex]

Aha! The worms come out. It's "that overhyped program." Ha!

Not every player but several. Like I said, Id take Maualuga in a heartbeat but I definintely do not blindly accept that because someone is from USC he must be good like some people here. But I wouldnt trade every pick to move up for him either as much as I like him.

[Rohirrim]

Not every player but several. Like I said, Id take Maualuga in a heartbeat but I definintely do not blindly accept that because someone is from USC he must be good like some people here. But I wouldnt trade every pick to move up for him either as much as I like him.

Frankly, I don't care what school he went to. He's one of the most explosive MLBs I've ever seen. I don't know if you watched USC/VA last weekend but I suggest you catch a game. Rey is extremely disruptive. Like I said, he's as fast as DJ and weighs 260. He can take out blocking linemen and cover passes. He blitzes like a madman. Every play the offense must plan for him, and then it doesn't matter because he can move all over the field. I haven't seen this good of a MLB for a long time. IMO, he'd be worth a draft.

[lex]

Frankly, I don't care what school he went to. He's one of the most explosive MLBs I've ever seen. I don't know if you watched USC/VA last weekend but I suggest you catch a game. Rey is extremely disruptive. Like I said, he's as fast as DJ and weighs 260. He can take out blocking linemen and cover passes. He blitzes like a madman. Every play the offense must plan for him, and then it doesn't matter because he can move all over the field. I haven't seen this good of a MLB for a long time. IMO, he'd be worth a draft.

I just told you that I like him too. But not so much that Id give up the whole draft for him.

[socalorado]

Aha! The worms come out. It's "that overhyped program." Ha!

Relax, me and LEX have longstanding college draft opinions and occasionally we drink our own kool aid and even sometimes attempt to drown in it.
Yes, USC is WAAAY overhyped at times, and their are players taken from USC that have NO buisness being taken as high as they were/are.
2 1st rounders last year come to mind. no names,people. I 'll leave it to your own imaginations.
Anyways, LEX makes a good point that O-line is STILL a huge concern, and keeping Cutler upright with all day to make plays will benefit this team in the long run. As for RB, if its between REY REY and a RB, jeez, i would be hard pressed to see DEN not take Rey. He really is a true top 10 franchise MLB.

[socalorado]

Frankly, I don't care what school he went to. He's one of the most explosive MLBs I've ever seen. I don't know if you watched USC/VA last weekend but I suggest you catch a game. Rey is extremely disruptive. Like I said, he's as fast as DJ and weighs 260. He can take out blocking linemen and cover passes. He blitzes like a madman. Every play the offense must plan for him, and then it doesn't matter because he can move all over the field. I haven't seen this good of a MLB for a long time. IMO, he'd be worth a draft.

Yeah. He was just a freakin BEAST huh!
He always plays like that too!
Hes worth alot, and many teams will be looking at him.

[NFLBRONCO]

Well unless we have a top 10 selection it won't happen.

[SpringStein]

Well unless we have a top 10 selection it won't happen.


I love to disagree with you! ;)

I predict he goes between 10-15. MLBs aren't valued like QB, LT, CB, DE and even RB and WR.

OTOH, you are right, still would take a good move up to get him.

[NFLBRONCO]

I love to disagree with you! ;)

I predict he goes between 10-15. MLBs aren't valued like QB, LT, CB, DE and even RB and WR.

OTOH, you are right, still would take a good move up to get him.

10 is in top 10 silly I asuume you mean 11-15. Hey you are smarter then I am with this stuff. I'm lucky to have you as a friend thanks. Its fun that we disagree one of us will be right that way :).

[SpringStein]

Ten is double digits - so I don't count it as top 10. Same as I always said that Clarrett was 4th round pick - supplemental pick AFTER round 3 was over.

;)

[SpringStein]

There are certain scouts I respect - and one of those is from scoutsnotebook.com. Here is his insight on Laurinaitis vs. Maualuga:

I prefer Laurinaitis, but only in a very general way.

Rey doesn't look like the world's greatest athlete to me. He's got solid straight-line speed, but I don't see him as a quick, agile guy. Rey reminds me of a better version of Jeremiah Trotter. In the right defense he could be a monster. Let him attack the line of scrimmage and play downhill football. Put him in the Tampa 2 and you're sorta wasting him. Rey isn't made to drop into space and play off the ball as much. He's not a tackling machine type of player. According to NCAA.com he's never had more than 7 solo tackles in a game and he's only had more than 5 solo stops three times in his career.

Laurinaitis is a better athlete. You lose the inside run stuffing and ability to shed blocks, though. James has better range and is the guy who will fly around the field and make plays all over. You won't get the same kind of impact hits, but you'll get more plays. Rey has 3 INTs and 4 FF's in his career to this point. James has 7 INTs and 3 FF's. Laurinaitis has more solo tackles and assists.

I don't think either guy will go Top 5 because of the way MLB is valued these days. I'd love to see the Ravens get Rey. They'd use him creatively. I think he'd be an interesting fit in St Louis. They could slide Witherspoon to the WLB spot and that would greatly improve their run D. James could really fit onto almost any defense. Some teams could even consider him as a WLB.

Both players are outstanding. Really comes down to what each team prefers in a MIKE. Size and power? Rey. Instincts and athleticism? James. I can't wait to see how they perform in the big game on the 13th. That should be a great game. Wouldn't you just love to see Rey get put in a FB for one play so we could see him and Laurinaitis butt heads?

[ohiobronco2]

There are certain scouts I respect - and one of those is from scoutsnotebook.com. Here is his insight on Laurinaitis vs. Maualuga:

James is a darn good linebacker. Pretty solid overall. He doesn't wow you like Rey, but he is a more consistent playmaker. Problem is, consistency is boring, everybody likes the big plays/hits. Which is what Rey delivers.

[NFLBRONCO]

James is a darn good linebacker. Pretty solid overall. He doesn't wow you like Rey, but he is a more consistent playmaker. Problem is, consistency is boring, everybody likes the big plays/hits. Which is what Rey delivers.

IMO Denver needs a guy or two on D that makes big plays and hits over consistant play types esp right now.

[lex]

If we're going to take Laurinaitis, it might make more sense to just take Spikes or Beckwith. I live in Big Ten country and I dont see why everyone is so enamored with Laurinaitis. Im not saying he is not good but I dont see why he is so much better than some other Mikes.

[lex]

What about something like this:

1. William Moore (could be there with Mays and Rolle in this draft)
2. Darry Beckwith (if Draft scout is accurate)
3. Vance Walker
4. Andy Kemp
5. Lawrence Sidbury
6. Jamaal Westerman ( I remember him beating Otah last year)


or maybe:

1. Vince Oghobaase
2. Darry Beckwith
3. Patrick Chung
4. Andy Kemp
5. Lawrence Sidbury
6. Jamaal Westerman ( I remember him beating Otah last year)

But theres also Jasper Brinkley who is slotted to the low rounds that has a nice size speed ratio.

[socalorado]

What about something like this:

1. William Moore (could be there with Mays and Rolle in this draft)
2. Darry Beckwith (if Draft scout is accurate)
3. Vance Walker
4. Andy Kemp
5. Lawrence Sidbury
6. Jamaal Westerman ( I remember him beating Otah last year)


or maybe:

1. Vince Oghobaase
2. Darry Beckwith
3. Patrick Chung
4. Andy Kemp
5. Lawrence Sidbury
6. Jamaal Westerman ( I remember him beating Otah last year)

But theres also Jasper Brinkley who is slotted to the low rounds that has a nice size speed ratio.

Yeah. If DEN does not get REY REY, then forget it. Go with oneof the above plans, because Laurinitus is not all that, and the team has other needs and their are other good, solid MLBs in this draft.
(sorry for the run on)
Also, LEX i think William Moore will be the 1st Safety off the board.
Just a gut feeling. He seems to me, to be a Rodney Harrison clone. just my opinion.

[ohiobronco2]

When James goes to pro bowl after pro bowl, many on here are going to be eating a lot of crow. I'm not saying he's better than Rey, but to say he isn't good is just plain foolish. You don't have the success that he has had and not be a good football player.

[elsid13]

When James goes to pro bowl after pro bowl, many on here are going to be eating a lot of crow. I'm not saying he's better than Rey, but to say he isn't good is just plain foolish. You don't have the success that he has had and not be a good football player.

The "Boz" was very successfully college linebacker and just wasn't a very good PRO. I not saying that Laurinaitis isn't a good college backer, but there is a difference between being a really good college player and a good starting pro. Past success doesn't automaticall mean great MLB in NFL.

Right now, pro scouts will be trying to determine which player has lower risk of failure and most upside. It still a long process to decide that.

[mattob14]

What about something like this:

1. William Moore (could be there with Mays and Rolle in this draft)
2. Darry Beckwith (if Draft scout is accurate)
3. Vance Walker
4. Andy Kemp
5. Lawrence Sidbury
6. Jamaal Westerman ( I remember him beating Otah last year)


or maybe:

1. Vince Oghobaase
2. Darry Beckwith
3. Patrick Chung
4. Andy Kemp
5. Lawrence Sidbury
6. Jamaal Westerman ( I remember him beating Otah last year)

But theres also Jasper Brinkley who is slotted to the low rounds that has a nice size speed ratio.

I could get on board with Oghobasse in round 1, but I don't know about a safety. There's just so much depth, we could do really well in round 2.

I'd rather see:
1. Brandon Spikes
2. Courtney Greene
3. Jeff Owens (a risk, but if he comes back and works out fairly well, he could be a risk worth taking)

[mattob14]

So, it's only September and I just posted my first Bronco's mock for the year. I guess that makes me a draft addict?

[anton]

Frankly, I don't care what school he went to. He's one of the most explosive MLBs I've ever seen. I don't know if you watched USC/VA last weekend but I suggest you catch a game. Rey is extremely disruptive. Like I said, he's as fast as DJ and weighs 260. He can take out blocking linemen and cover passes. He blitzes like a madman. Every play the offense must plan for him, and then it doesn't matter because he can move all over the field. I haven't seen this good of a MLB for a long time. IMO, he'd be worth a draft.

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[Elway777]

My new 7 round mock draft 1. The Broncos take the best middle linebacker between Rey Rey, Laurinatis or Spikes. Most likely Spikes. 2a The Broncos go with best Defensive tackle either Vance Walker or Demascus Granger 3. The Broncos grap short SS Emanuel Cook. I read he could be best tackler in draft. Maybe the Broncos use 2 round pick on him if he flies up draft board. 4.Ramses Barden ,could be the best sleeper in draft. 6-6 and 220 pounds and caught 18 touchdowns plus over 26 yarrds per reception. 5 Jremiah Johnson,best stiff arm in college football but not overly fast but runs for a high yard per carry average. 6 Terrill Byrd ,he just make plays, 7a Rashard Jennings, running back the Broncos keep on practice squad. 7b Josh Pinkard

[SpringStein]

I'm going to throw out a wild idea - we take a CB in round one. Before you boo me soundly, let me make the case that with all the new rules favoring the O, the CB role has been somewhat diminished. As a result, a guy who 5 years ago was picked #10, is more likely to go around 15 today. I could see if we are picking in the 20's that a CB of good value could be there.

In addition, with both our starters over 30 and only 4 CBs currently on the squad, drafing a CB in round 1 to replace Bly in a year or two I'd be more than OK with that.

[mattob14]

I'm going to throw out a wild idea - we take a CB in round one. Before you boo me soundly, let me make the case that with all the new rules favoring the O, the CB role has been somewhat diminished. As a result, a guy who 5 years ago was picked #10, is more likely to go around 15 today. I could see if we are picking in the 20's that a CB of good value could be there.

In addition, with both our starters over 30 and only 4 CBs currently on the squad, drafing a CB in round 1 to replace Bly in a year or two I'd be more than OK with that.

I can appreciate the thought, but I'd probably need a new TV if we took a CB in round 1. There are far too many holes in the front 7 to invest more resources into, arguably, our strongest position. Personally, I'd go WR, RB, OL, DT, DE, MLB, and S before CB. If we fill most of those holes this off-season, CB could get a long look next year, though.

[CEH]

I'm going to throw out a wild idea - we take a CB in round one. Before you boo me soundly, let me make the case that with all the new rules favoring the O, the CB role has been somewhat diminished. As a result, a guy who 5 years ago was picked #10, is more likely to go around 15 today. I could see if we are picking in the 20's that a CB of good value could be there.

In addition, with both our starters over 30 and only 4 CBs currently on the squad, drafing a CB in round 1 to replace Bly in a year or two I'd be more than OK with that.

Hi SS

Shanny said on the radio JFMW was the reason they traded Foxy and will be a player for the team. Basically 2 INTs for TD can't be ignored. I could see another CB on day two

[SpringStein]

Hi SS

Shanny said on the radio JFMW was the reason they traded Foxy and will be a player for the team. Basically 2 INTs for TD can't be ignored. I could see another CB on day two


Great to see you Chris! Hold down the games the next two weeks - I'll be out of the country.

No doubt Jack is the "wild card" here. I see home more as an excellent nickle. Hope I'm wrong, but if he is seen as an ideal nickle and we can draft a starter, it's why I threw this out there.

[NFLBRONCO]

I'm going to throw out a wild idea - we take a CB in round one. Before you boo me soundly, let me make the case that with all the new rules favoring the O, the CB role has been somewhat diminished. As a result, a guy who 5 years ago was picked #10, is more likely to go around 15 today. I could see if we are picking in the 20's that a CB of good value could be there.

In addition, with both our starters over 30 and only 4 CBs currently on the squad, drafing a CB in round 1 to replace Bly in a year or two I'd be more than OK with that.

I agree with you SS we do need to get younger and more depth at CB I hope we can replace Bly very soon. Of course I think we will be picking higher then you do.

[mattob14]

I agree with you SS we do need to get younger and more depth at CB I hope we can replace Bly very soon. Of course I think we will be picking higher then you do.

Depth at CB is one thing, and I could see a mid-rounder again, but do we need to use our first for a CB next year? I think an impact DL or even MLB would do more for the pass defense than another corner. Start at the point of attack and build back to the secondary.

[ZONA]

It's way to early to give names of who we want but I would look at the draft in this order of needs.......

MLB - get the best one available. PERIOD !!!

Safety - Safety's usually don't go fast in the draft so we should be able to find a very solid guy right here. Somebody with speed and more speed.

DT - get a pysical speciman here. He will be raw at this round but that's fine. Ideal guy will probably be somebody who hasn't played the game long but just is a beast in the weight room with good size.

WR - take a shot at another smaller college freak like Brandon Marshall was. Looking for that guy who is big and physical with speed regardless of competition.

MLB - use this pick on another LB. Maybe a guy who had a few good years and now had a down year to poor team or injury. Or a guy who you feel is a phycial freak but maybe played for a small college.

MLB - yes, another MLB. This time, you are just going for the most rock solid taclker you can find here. He don't have to be fast or too smart. Chances are he won't be at this round. But you can find a bada$$ who wants to hurt people and can tackle a rhino if you ask him to.

[NFLBRONCO]

Depth at CB is one thing, and I could see a mid-rounder again, but do we need to use our first for a CB next year? I think an impact DL or even MLB would do more for the pass defense than another corner. Start at the point of attack and build back to the secondary.

CB in round 1 isn't my top choice either but, if a CB was available and was bpa I would be cool with taking one. Our starters are over 30 Bly isn't that great. Your right I expect MLB DE DT most of all we need to get tougher in front 7.

[lex]

Deltha ONeal
Willie Middlebrooks
Clinton Portis
George Foster
Tatum Bell
Darrent Williams
Dominique Foxworth
Karl Paymah


Who am I missing? We had to use all these draft picks to find our current starting CBs, and even at that, none of our current starters were drafted by us. Granted, Goodman may be better at finding a CB but still. Im sick of burning draft picks on CBs.

[NFLBRONCO]

Deltha ONeal
Willie Middlebrooks
Clinton Portis
George Foster
Tatum Bell
Darrent Williams
Dominique Foxworth
Karl Paymah


Who am I missing? We had to use all these draft picks to find our current starting CBs, and even at that, none of our current starters were drafted by us. Granted, Goodman may be better at finding a CB but still. Im sick of burning draft picks on CBs.

I'm more confident with our drafting these days though. You can't be afraid to draft certain positions. Heck we sucked at drafting WR's and now we have Royal and BM so see we can hit the mark so why not a CB.

[SoCalBronco]

I think they are starting to get pissed off that they invested a 1st and a 2nd in DEs and havent gotten squat out of it. They have to be REALLY PISSED that no one beat out Engelberger. If Moss and Crowder continue to be buried on the depth chart by the end of the year, is it out of the realm of possibility that they go back to DE in Round 1?

Personally, I think that would be a bad move and too reckless/instant gratification-ish. However, its the kind of move that I can easily see Shanny doing.

[NFLBRONCO]

I think they are starting to get pissed off that they invested a 1st and a 2nd in DEs and havent gotten squat out of it. They have to be REALLY PISSED that no one beat out Engelberger. If Moss and Crowder continue to be buried on the depth chart by the end of the year, is it out of the realm of possibility that they go back to DE in Round 1?

Personally, I think that would be a bad move and too reckless/instant gratification-ish. However, its the kind of move that I can easily see Shanny doing.

Happy Birthday bud yeah I have DE MLB as Denver's top 2 choices in round 1 at this point.

[SoCalBronco]

Happy Birthday bud yeah I have DE DT MLB as my top 3 choices in round 1.

I think with Thomas and Robertson we'll be alright at DT. I want another rotational guy though, maybe in the 3rd. I am expecting good things from Thomas this year.

I want them to move WWIII to MLB right now and put him on a weight gain program. Let him practice with the 2nd team at MLB so we can evaluate some tape of him at the position over the course of the year as he gains weight. It's not the same as game tape to be sure, but we should at least try to make a semi-informed decision on whether we need to invest a 1 at MLB or not. For all we know, he might be able to do it. I don't think we should invest a 1st in a MLB until we do this and evaluate his practice tape at the position over the course of the whole year.

[NFLBRONCO]

I think with Thomas and Robertson we'll be alright at DT. I want another rotational guy though, maybe in the 3rd. I am expecting good things from Thomas this year.

I want them to move WWIII to MLB right now and put him on a weight gain program. Let him practice with the 2nd team at MLB so we can evaluate some tape of him at the position over the course of the year as he gains weight. It's not the same as game tape to be sure, but we should at least try to make a semi-informed decision on whether we need to invest a 1 at MLB or not. For all we know, he might be able to do it. I don't think we should invest a 1st in a MLB until we do this and evaluate his practice tape at the position over the course of the whole year.

I dropped DT from my post because I forgot about Robertson. I agree I want to see WWIII can do. Any chance OLB is considered high?

[SoCalBronco]

I dropped DT from my post because I forgot about Robertson. I agree I want to see WWIII can do. Any chance OLB is considered high?

I can't see how they could justify it. They've just made a combined investment of 20.5 million (13 DJ, 7.5 Boss) in guaranteed money alone in their starting OLBs (much less base salaries over the next few years). Unless Boss proves himself to be a complete p***Y this year and keeps getting hurt over and over, I can't really see OLB in the first four rounds.

[NFLBRONCO]

I can't see how they could justify it. They've just made a combined investment of 20.5 million (13 DJ, 7.5 Boss) in guaranteed money alone in their starting OLBs (much less base salaries over the next few years). Unless Boss proves himself to be a complete p***Y this year and keeps getting hurt over and over, I can't really see OLB in the first four rounds.


I have CRS tonight I forgot about Boss and Robertson errr. How is DE class in 09?

[Elway777]

My top 4 choices right now are 1. Chis Wells.could be another AD 2. Knowshon Moreno, has 6 touchdowns in the first 2 weeks and reminds people of Portis 3. Rey Rey , He is the most physical player in college football 4. Laurinatitis,Super instinctive and his ability to tell if its a pass or run will help any defence. If all these players are gone then look at Spikes,Mays ,Moore and maybe Hardy.

[lex]

I'm more confident with our drafting these days though. You can't be afraid to draft certain positions. Heck we sucked at drafting WR's and now we have Royal and BM so see we can hit the mark so why not a CB.


Yes you can. Its not like this is the same thing as when we missed on Foster either. Foster was one pick. We used 7 picks to get our current corners and theyre not even anyone we drafted.

[Broncos_OTM]

It's way to early to give names of who we want but I would look at the draft in this order of needs.......

MLB - get the best one available. PERIOD !!!

Safety - Safety's usually don't go fast in the draft so we should be able to find a very solid guy right here. Somebody with speed and more speed.

DT - get a pysical speciman here. He will be raw at this round but that's fine. Ideal guy will probably be somebody who hasn't played the game long but just is a beast in the weight room with good size.

WR - take a shot at another smaller college freak like Brandon Marshall was. Looking for that guy who is big and physical with speed regardless of competition.

MLB - use this pick on another LB. Maybe a guy who had a few good years and now had a down year to poor team or injury. Or a guy who you feel is a phycial freak but maybe played for a small college.

MLB - yes, another MLB. This time, you are just going for the most rock solid taclker you can find here. He don't have to be fast or too smart. Chances are he won't be at this round. But you can find a bada$$ who wants to hurt people and can tackle a rhino if you ask him to.
we already have a grip of linebackers on board so plus we drafted some which would make the ones we have ... ehhh.. never mind..

[gyldenlove]

We HAVE to draft Patrick Chung!

If we can get him in the 2nd round (probably no such luck) we will have our starting safety, he will flat out decapitate people. If we have him and JMFW in the same secondary the earth could start rotating the other way.

[Orange_Beard]

we already have a grip of linebackers on board so plus we drafted some which would make the ones we have ... ehhh.. never mind..

What is a grip of linebackers? is that like a prode of lions or a schiil of fish?

[socalorado]

We HAVE to draft Patrick Chung!

If we can get him in the 2nd round (probably no such luck) we will have our starting safety, he will flat out decapitate people. If we have him and JMFW in the same secondary the earth could start rotating the other way.

Sure. OR Kevin Ellison. They are basically carbon copies of each other.
And i would say Ellison's even the bigger hitter. I watched both of them all last year, and they are both very good.

[mattob14]

Yes you can. Its not like this is the same thing as when we missed on Foster either. Foster was one pick. We used 7 picks to get our current corners and theyre not even anyone we drafted.

I don't want to pick a CB either, but we can't make our future decisions based on what happened in the past. And besides, it's not like that list is all that bad. Middlebrooks was a bad pick, but O'Neal's made a couple of Pro Bowls (even if he didn't deserve those), Foxworth is a solid nickel back (not bad for a 3rd), Paymah still has a chance, and DW had a very promising career cut short. Add JMFW, who's already earned the nickel role, and we've found some solid talent through the middle rounds.

[lex]

I don't want to pick a CB either, but we can't make our future decisions based on what happened in the past. And besides, it's not like that list is all that bad. Middlebrooks was a bad pick, but O'Neal's made a couple of Pro Bowls (even if he didn't deserve those), Foxworth is a solid nickel back (not bad for a 3rd), Paymah still has a chance, and DW had a very promising career cut short. Add JMFW, who's already earned the nickel role, and we've found some solid talent through the middle rounds.

Yes we can.

[mattob14]

Yes we can.

Come on lex, with picks like Nash, Lelie, and Watts, our WR drafting was much worse than our results at CB. And I don't see anyone complaining about "wasting" picks on Marshall and Royal now. Even Hixon doesn't look to be a bad player. It's a new regime and, until they prove me wrong, I'm willing to trust them. So far the 2006 and 2008 drafts look to be excellent and even 2007 is looking better with Harris emerging as a solid starter. If either Moss or Crowder would bust out, I'd put our recent draft history up against anyone's.

[lex]

Come on lex, with picks like Nash, Lelie, and Watts, our WR drafting was much worse than our results at CB. And I don't see anyone complaining about "wasting" picks on Marshall and Royal now. Even Hixon doesn't look to be a bad player. It's a new regime and, until they prove me wrong, I'm willing to trust them. So far the 2006 and 2008 drafts look to be excellent and even 2007 is looking better with Harris emerging as a solid starter. If either Moss or Crowder would bust out, I'd put our recent draft history up against anyone's.

Im not saying dont take one in the 4th, which is where Marshall was taken. But the idea of taking one with a high pick is what should be avoided.

[SoCalBronco]

If they resign Paymah, I wouldnt touch corner in the draft unless like a 3rd round talent fell to the 5th round.

If they don't resign him and we have essentially two aging vets and only one young prospect in JMFW, we probably would have to address this in the 3rd round.

[24champ]

If they don't resign him and we have essentially two aging vets

One looks like an aging vet.

[Elway777]

I read the idea of drafting Arron Curry and moving him to middle linebacker. That would leave 4 guys the Broncos could draft in the first round to play middle linebacker. 1. Rey Rey 2. Lauurinatis 3.Spikes 4 .Curry.

[Broncos_OTM]

What is a grip of linebackers? is that like a prode of lions or a schiil of fish?

aww are you still butt hurt for blasting you about what sense it made in calling me Broncos_ATM... lol a grip as in Alot...

[bpc]

We have room to improve across the board. It's much too early to know where we are going next season in the draft because of how many spots we could pick. I think we are in a position to go BPA on a lot of selections.

I am inclined to believe that we'll be going on the offense next year during the 1st round of the draft.

I see KR/PR being an issue on this squad and something Shanahan could try to knock out by taking a talented young WR or possibly a DB especially with the emergence of Eddie Royal.

I think the biggest need area is MLB, Safety and HB... there could already be answers on the roster though.

[bpc]

It's way to early to give names of who we want but I would look at the draft in this order of needs.......

WR - take a shot at another smaller college freak like Brandon Marshall was. Looking for that guy who is big and physical with speed regardless of competition.



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[mattob14]

We have room to improve across the board. It's much too early to know where we are going next season in the draft because of how many spots we could pick. I think we are in a position to go BPA on a lot of selections.

I am inclined to believe that we'll be going on the offense next year during the 1st round of the draft.

I see KR/PR being an issue on this squad and something Shanahan could try to knock out by taking a talented young WR or possibly a DB especially with the emergence of Eddie Royal.

I think the biggest need area is MLB, Safety and HB... there could already be answers on the roster though.

It's going to be interesting, but I do agree we may just be able to go BPA. Fortunately, there's depth at out biggest positions of need: MLB, S, DL (assuming some of the juniors come out), RB and OG/C.

Two players who've been mentioned here, but stood out to me today were Mack and Maclin. Mack is big, strong, mobile and has a nasty streak. The personal foul today was stupid, but I can't count the number of plays he got to the second level in the running game and was able to get a piece of 2-3 players. He finishes his blocks, too. Maclin is just a playmaker. He'd be an ideal compliment to our current WR's and with him, I don't think there'd be any doubt our WR's would be the best in the league. The return game would be outstanding too.

[bpc]

Man after watching the SD game, I don't think there is any way we can avoid going LB/S close to rounds 1 and 2. Sproles was moving around far to easily. We need a disciplined heat seaker with some wheels to keep these guys at bay.

BTW, Karl Paymah = garbage.

[gyldenlove]

Man after watching the SD game, I don't think there is any way we can avoid going LB/S close to rounds 1 and 2. Sproles was moving around far to easily. We need a disciplined heat seaker with some wheels to keep these guys at bay.

BTW, Karl Paymah = garbage.

CB! There is no way we can not draft a CB on day 1. Paymah really needs to man up to get a contract next year, Bly is getting expensive to have around and we only have JMFW for depth. I am still on the Patrick Chung band wagon, but I would settle for a CB.

[Elway777]

Greg Hardy is someone the Broncos should also think about drafting unless Moss starts to produce. A draft of 1. Greg Hardy 2. Granger,Walker or Oghabasse in the second 3. Beckwith , Phillstine, or Brinkley in the 3 round or Hamlin or Cook would also be good 3 round picks. I also have the Broncos making a run at Sharper to play free safety in free agency. I think the Broncos should be about 40 million under the cap and they should sign a couple of free agents.

[mattob14]

CB! There is no way we can not draft a CB on day 1. Paymah really needs to man up to get a contract next year, Bly is getting expensive to have around and we only have JMFW for depth. I am still on the Patrick Chung band wagon, but I would settle for a CB.

I still don't see it. If we can't stop the run or pressure the passer, it won't matter who is playing CB. This team needs an upgrade right up the middle, with more depth at DT, a MLB, and a S. An every-down DE wouldn't hurt either. Until those needs (or at least the majority of them) are addressed, I don't see how we can spend anything more than a mid-rounder on another corner.

[driver]

I still don't see it. If we can't stop the run or pressure the passer, it won't matter who is playing CB. This team needs an upgrade right up the middle, with more depth at DT, a MLB, and a S. An every-down DE wouldn't hurt either. Until those needs (or at least the majority of them) are addressed, I don't see how we can spend anything more than a mid-rounder on another corner.

agree 100% we've been giving big yds and 1st downs to backs on swing routes & te on flat routes. Bad lb and saftey play because of weak line?

[U4EA]

There are just too many guys getting open on short routes. There's a huge space between the line and the secondary where a quarterback can always find someone open. It was like the Grand Canyon for Phil Rivers on Sunday. We can't have that. I'm still willing to give the young guys on the D-line time to grow but we're tragically short on talent at Safety and coverage-quality linebackers.

[Elway777]

I was in favor of going for a Mike in the first round but our defensive line has not been able to put the heat on the QB. I think the Broncos sign Vilma who wants to play with DJ again and draft 2 defensive lineman in the first 2 rounds. Greg Hardy in the first and Vance Walker in the second,Both players are good against the run and pass.The Broncos should be around 40 million under the cap with enough money to extend Marshall contract at 6 million per year ,sign Vilma at 5 million plus sign a safety like Sharper at 4 million per year.The Broncos can pick up a younger ss later in the draft .

[lex]

I was in favor of going for a Mike in the first round but our defensive line has not been able to put the heat on the QB. I think the Broncos sign Vilma who wants to play with DJ again and draft 2 defensive lineman in the first 2 rounds. Greg Hardy in the first and Vance Walker in the second,Both players are good against the run and pass.The Broncos should be around 40 million under the cap with enough money to extend Marshall contract at 6 million per year ,sign Vilma at 5 million plus sign a safety like Sharper at 4 million per year.The Broncos can pick up a younger ss later in the draft .

Thats an awful way to go about it. Its typical of how we have done it in the past where we have built the defense from back to front. Denver should either sign Peppers or Suggs. The offense is too good to be wasted on waiting for another DE to develop into the player we're hoping for. Then if Vilma wants to play here at a discount, fine. But its easier to find a safety in the draft than a DE.

[lex]

I read the idea of drafting Arron Curry and moving him to middle linebacker. That would leave 4 guys the Broncos could draft in the first round to play middle linebacker. 1. Rey Rey 2. Lauurinatis 3.Spikes 4 .Curry.

Yeah, Pro Football Weekly loves Curry. They also like Beckwith more than some of the places Ive seen. But they spoke more glowingly of Curry I would say.

[gyldenlove]

I still don't see it. If we can't stop the run or pressure the passer, it won't matter who is playing CB. This team needs an upgrade right up the middle, with more depth at DT, a MLB, and a S. An every-down DE wouldn't hurt either. Until those needs (or at least the majority of them) are addressed, I don't see how we can spend anything more than a mid-rounder on another corner.

We stop the run just fine compared to how we do against the pass. We get no pressure on the passer because they can just throw the ball to the first option every time as long as he is not lined up against Champ. We have no coverage at ALL, even Russell had no problem finding recipients to his passes.

I would love to go for an MLB or a rangy S, but they won't make nearly the impact of a cover corner. Lets be honest here, Bly doesn't have long to go and Champ will be over the hill in a couple of years too. Paymah is clearly not the answer to any question that doesn't involve one of the worst nickel corners in the league. That leaves us with 0 depth.

I could go for a DE as well, we need impact on that position. I think drafting DT in the 1st right now is just beyond a bad idea. You are better off getting an impact DE than any amount of super DTs. If you don't believe this look at Minnesota, they have the best duo of DTs in the league and their pass rush is even worse than ours.

[lex]

We stop the run just fine compared to how we do against the pass. We get no pressure on the passer because they can just throw the ball to the first option every time as long as he is not lined up against Champ. We have no coverage at ALL, even Russell had no problem finding recipients to his passes.

I would love to go for an MLB or a rangy S, but they won't make nearly the impact of a cover corner. Lets be honest here, Bly doesn't have long to go and Champ will be over the hill in a couple of years too. Paymah is clearly not the answer to any question that doesn't involve one of the worst nickel corners in the league. That leaves us with 0 depth.

I could go for a DE as well, we need impact on that position. I think drafting DT in the 1st right now is just beyond a bad idea. You are better off getting an impact DE than any amount of super DTs. If you don't believe this look at Minnesota, they have the best duo of DTs in the league and their pass rush is even worse than ours.

No way. Once again, another idea to build the team back to front.

[gyldenlove]

No way. Once again, another idea to build the team back to front.

We can do like the Chiefs and keep throwing away high draft picks on non impact players or we can get playmakers who can contribute.

[lex]

We can do like the Chiefs and keep throwing away high draft picks on non impact players or we can get playmakers who can contribute.

KC might be good down the road. Theyre a very young team. Its way too early to say theyve wasted draft picks. They also need a QB.

[Elway777]

Thats an awful way to go about it. Its typical of how we have done it in the past where we have built the defense from back to front. Denver should either sign Peppers or Suggs. The offense is too good to be wasted on waiting for another DE to develop into the player we're hoping for. Then if Vilma wants to play here at a discount, fine. But its easier to find a safety in the draft than a DE. I don't know when you get the idea of Broncos building defence back to front when I have the Broncos taking 2 defensive lineman with the first 2 picks and signing Vilma as my primary target in free agency, I would love to get Peppers but he most likely will get Franchised. I also would not mind trading a 3 round pick for Jarvis Green from New England then going Mike in the first and and defensive tackle in the second. Maybe Moss could become a good situational pass rusher.

[lex]

I don't know when you get the idea of Broncos building defence back to front when I have the Broncos taking 2 defensive lineman with the first 2 picks and signing Vilma as my primary target in free agency, I would love to get Peppers but he most likely will get Franchised. I also would not mind trading a 3 round pick for Jarvis Green from New England then going Mike in the first and and defensive tackle in the second. Maybe Moss could become a good situational pass rusher.

You were talking about Vilma and Sharper when we'd be better getting Dline if anything.

[mattob14]

We stop the run just fine compared to how we do against the pass. We get no pressure on the passer because they can just throw the ball to the first option every time as long as he is not lined up against Champ. We have no coverage at ALL, even Russell had no problem finding recipients to his passes.

I would love to go for an MLB or a rangy S, but they won't make nearly the impact of a cover corner. Lets be honest here, Bly doesn't have long to go and Champ will be over the hill in a couple of years too. Paymah is clearly not the answer to any question that doesn't involve one of the worst nickel corners in the league. That leaves us with 0 depth.

I could go for a DE as well, we need impact on that position. I think drafting DT in the 1st right now is just beyond a bad idea. You are better off getting an impact DE than any amount of super DTs. If you don't believe this look at Minnesota, they have the best duo of DTs in the league and their pass rush is even worse than ours.

The only way this team stops the run is with 8 in the box. That's a lot of the reason the pass D is terrible- there just isn't anyone back in coverage. Besides, an improved pass rush will make a huge difference in the pass D too.

[CasinoRoyal]

Safety or RB

[Premier-Ace55]

I don't think that we should target any one postion in the first round. I think we need to just draft the best defensive player available and if there is a impact running back draft him. we can patient on everything else.

[bpc]

I don't think that we should target any one postion in the first round. I think we need to just draft the best defensive player available and if there is a impact running back draft him. we can patient on everything else.

I agree. We still have a long shopping list of things we ideally need but if we can keep this core offense around Jay and continue to have good pass blocking, we'll be able to compete for playoff spots.

I'm saying we need to just take the BPA in each round. If that happens to be a HB in round 1 this year, so be it. If it's another offensive linemen like Alex Mack, it won't hurt us.

I've been paying more attention to Aaron Curry. He had a huge game yesterday from the highlights. The thing I like about him is he's always around the ball. We need that type of player on our team. He can close fast and finds ways to create turnovers.

[bpc]

If I had to draw up a mock right now:

1st round: a. Jeremy Maclin *He'll be a top 10 pick but he would be my number 1 guy. A force catching the football and on special teams.* b. Aaron Curry OLB/MLB *LEADER* c. Alex Mack Center *LEADER* d. William Moore *highly athletic safety who can cover a ton of space and make plays.*

2nd round: a. James Davis HB *slip sliding stock right now because Bowden doesn't know how to use his guys* b. Javon Ringer *slightly undersized guys who has great ability in run and pass game* c. Phil Loadholt OT *I still would prepare myself if I were Denver for anything that could happen to the two incumbent starters at tackle. Depth is never a bad thing and its hard to find any as large and quick as this guy.

[elsid13]

Nice Picks BPA

I am not really excited by any the running backs that could potential come out in this draft.

The players that keep catching my eye are Rolle- FSU safety, May - USC safety, Aaron Kelly - Clemson WR, Mike Thomas - WR Arizona and CJ Gable RB USC and Brian Cushiing USC OLB.

[bpc]

Nice Picks BPA

I am not really excited by any the running backs that could potential come out in this draft.

The players that keep catching my eye are Rolle- FSU safety, May - USC safety, Aaron Kelly - Clemson WR, Mike Thomas - WR Arizona and CJ Gable RB USC and Brian Cushiing USC OLB.

I need to watch more film on the safeties. We really suck in that area right now. McCree plays a tough brand of football but I don't think he's a very heady player. Manual just sucks in my opinion. There are a lot of talented safeties out there but it's hard to say who has the goods or not. It's one of the hardest positions to evaluate because FS/SS is such a different spot. Unless you're looking at a Troy Polumalu or a Bob Sanders, not of a lot of them stickout on defense outside of a highlight here or there.

I like Mike Thomas too. I think Shanahan has to be watching WR this year. We have Eddie Royal. BMarsh is on thin ice with the NFL because of his off the field incidents. Something else goes wrong in light of his domestic issues going public and there is going to be a harsher punishment down the line. Stokely/Jackson have maybe one year left.

After experiencing the type of points we can put up with a good protection in front of Jay and WR's to throw to, I know Shanahan will be bound and determined not to let him going without playmakers. I don't blame him. This defense will only go as far as Jay's arm takes them.

[elsid13]

If we go WR, I wonder if Shanahan and the Goodmans will go with the traditional big WR for the WCO or will move to the quick short guys like royal.

[bpc]

If we go WR, I wonder if Shanahan and the Goodmans will go with the traditional big WR for the WCO or will move to the quick short guys like royal.

I mean if it came down to it, (Hypothetical) I would drop a 1st round pick on Anquan Boldin. Give him a little scratch and get a great possession receiver. I think his style of play would fit perfectly here. He's not a burner, but he's a guy you have to account for in every phase of the game. He still has about 4-5 high end years left on his career too. Cutler has such a strong arm, WR's don't need to get a ton of seperation. Possession guys work perfectly when they can shield defenders away from the ball. Bmarsh and Boldin are very similar players... big YAC guys who pick up tons of 1st downs and are big time blockers in the run game and red zone targets. I think it would be a natural fit. That would move Royal over to the slot where he can really use his speed to get off the line and create mismatches against the defense. If something happens to Marshall, Boldin fits perfectly in his role too.

If we draft somebody (more likely), like I said before, Maclin would be a dream come true. That guy is going to be a great player in the NFL and will have a huge impact on ST's if he goes that route. I think if he enters the draft though, he's a top 10 guy.

Derrick Williams is a top end special teams guy who could cause mis-matches in the slot if we draft late in the first round which could be the case this year. He's got some gamebreaker in him.

Jarrett Dillard and Mike Thomas are 3rd round guys to me who are intrigueing players. All they've done is produced at the highest level against their competition.

Ramses Barden is probably a 3rd round guy right now that will remind people of James Hardy from Indiana last year, minus the off the field issues. He's had a big time career on the I-AA level. He could be a steal down the road a la BMarsh coming out of Central Florida. It will be interesting to see the 40 time he runs.

[lex]

I need to watch more film on the safeties. We really suck in that area right now. McCree plays a tough brand of football but I don't think he's a very heady player. Manual just sucks in my opinion. There are a lot of talented safeties out there but it's hard to say who has the goods or not. It's one of the hardest positions to evaluate because FS/SS is such a different spot. Unless you're looking at a Troy Polumalu or a Bob Sanders, not of a lot of them stickout on defense outside of a highlight here or there.

I like Mike Thomas too. I think Shanahan has to be watching WR this year. We have Eddie Royal. BMarsh is on thin ice with the NFL because of his off the field incidents. Something else goes wrong in light of his domestic issues going public and there is going to be a harsher punishment down the line. Stokely/Jackson have maybe one year left.

After experiencing the type of points we can put up with a good protection in front of Jay and WR's to throw to, I know Shanahan will be bound and determined not to let him going without playmakers. I don't blame him. This defense will only go as far as Jay's arm takes them.


Im not saying Maclin isnt a good player but I think we'd be better off with someone like Spiller than Maclin. He also can return, he has great hands (esp for a RB) and can run the ball and cash in on long runs that are there. He would also be another weapon but both in the running game and as a check down. There was a run by Hall (Raider game I think) where he took the yardage that was there and it was a solid run but had he just been able to slip behind the overpursuing LB (instead of maintaining his own line), he could have gone for 65 and 6...but he didnt see it. I think Spiller sees these openings better than everyone we have.

[elsid13]

Im not saying Maclin isnt a good player but I think we'd be better off with someone like Spiller than Maclin. He also can return, he has great hands (esp for a RB) and can run the ball and cash in on long runs that are there. He would also be another weapon but both in the running game and as a check down. There was a run by Hall (Raider game I think) where he took the yardage that was there and it was a solid run but had he just been able to slip behind the overpursuing LB (instead of maintaining his own line), he could have gone for 65 and 6...but he didnt see it. I think Spiller sees these openings better than everyone we have.

I like Spiller, but I see him more of 3rd down back in the league. At his best he could be an Eric Metcalf clone, at worse Reggie Bush lite

Maclin has the size to be every down player

[lex]

I like Spiller, but I see him more of 3rd down back in the league. At his best he could be an Eric Metcalf clone, at worse Reggie Bush lite

Maclin has the size to be every down player

I think he might be a better 1st and 2nd down runner than people think. The dude is just so explosive and with Turner coaching him, I think he could really surprise some people. This year he is already changing his running style by trying being more north and south. At about 195 he could probably carry about 15-17 times a game. And then you also have the receiving.

[U4EA]

It's the defense, stupid! We need huge help at LB and Safety. Case closed.

[Inkana7]

Don't forget DE.

[Br0nc0Buster]

Outside of Jackson from LSU I am not sure what kind of good Dlinemen will be there worthy of a late teen pick or possibly early twenties.

We should get the best available dlinemen who can play in a 4-3 if the value is there.
I think we need to also spend 2 picks in our first 4 rounds on safeties

[TheChamp24]

If we spend a 1st round pick on a freakin WR, I will crap a brick and throw it at Broncos headquarters.

[bpc]

I dont' think we're as bad as we've shown the last few weeks on defense. On the other hand if we had a couple of shut outs I would say we weren't that good either.

Until further notice I'm on BPA alert as some positions in the draft just stink this year.

[CasinoRoyal]

Why would we need a WR that will go top 5 next year when we have Royal and Marshall??

Thats pretty laughable

[Breaker]

The news about Tom Nalen really changes things next year in the draft. He was getting old to begin with but now with him going on IR, that could really impact us in the future. Assuming we are going to be a late round draft selection, and I truly believe that impact players such as Rey Rey, Mays, and Laurinitis will be gone, the guy that might be available is Mack from California, the best center in CF. The guy is a beast and possibly with our second rounder we could pick up Rolle.

[Ratboy]

Taylor Mays or Rey Maualuga would be excellent choices because of our areas of need.

Before our line turned out to be a huge brick wall, i'd say go with a OG (Ryan Harris failure, eh.. i guess not). Duke Robinson would be a stud. We won't go offensive lineman.

Runningback is an option too. I think that's our weakest position on offense by far (man, i'm a genius!).

[socalorado]

As of right now, DEN cant afford to give away a 1st round pick for Boldin. thats just too much. I would LOVE to do it. DEN would score 50 a game, but lose 10 games a year with this crap defense.
To me, the needs are STILL as follows,
MLB- Just go get get the best and be done with it! Trade up and get REY REY. After laurinitus, the rest arent even close. Curry isnt even in the same ballpark as REY REY or james. *sighs*
DE- I say find one in FA. Drafting 1 hasnt worked.
Safety- PLENTY of talented safeties to be had in later rounds. Forget William Moore or Taylor Mays. And Rolle is a injury prone player. Look for Chung or Ellison in the 2nd or 3rd round. Kam Chancellor is also an option. Hes a HUGE player! These guys are talented players.
DT-
No reason to go offensive line even with Nails injury (retirement)
We have depth for the O-line.

[TheChamp24]

I dont' think we're as bad as we've shown the last few weeks on defense. On the other hand if we had a couple of shut outs I would say we weren't that good either.

Until further notice I'm on BPA alert as some positions in the draft just stink this year.

Not as bad? What are you watching then? We are a bottom tier defense and need to address that, but you think we need to look at WR? Or trade for Boldin?
Thats like people saying we should trade Champ.

If we do go offense in the 1st next year, RB and C are basically the only positions worth selecting. Maybe OG.
But defense, we could select from every position. DE, DT, MLB, CB and S. Gotta believe one player from one of those positions will be of value for us.

[mattob14]

The news about Tom Nalen really changes things next year in the draft. He was getting old to begin with but now with him going on IR, that could really impact us in the future. Assuming we are going to be a late round draft selection, and I truly believe that impact players such as Rey Rey, Mays, and Laurinitis will be gone, the guy that might be available is Mack from California, the best center in CF. The guy is a beast and possibly with our second rounder we could pick up Rolle.

I honestly don't see the Nalen news impacting next year's draft at all. It's not like the team was relying on him beyond this season. I still think Mack could be an option, but no more so than I did a week ago.

[mattob14]

I don't want to put too much emphasis on one game, but today's loss really highlighted our weaknesses on both sides of the ball.

Offensively, Cutler stuggled and we just could not establish the running game. Harris and Clady are youngsters known more for pass-blocking skills and I'm sure they'll continue to improve in the ground game, but I really would be all for adding another big, nasty interior lineman early in the draft. Also, a power RB is a must-have right now. If that player is Torrain, all the better, but if not one will have to be drafted.

Defensively, we were exposed right up the middle again. KC played with a short field all day and the D did make a couple big stops to hold them to FG's, but they couldn't make the big play when they really needed to. I'm hoping Powell can come back and have some impact on the DT position, but MLB and S are an absolute mess right now.

With all that said, we desperately need to find a way to add another pick on day 1. If Doom can get us that, take it, although I don't think the value's there at this point. If not, use a couple of those mid-rounders to move up.

I'd look at guys like Mack, Brandon Spikes, James Davis and Patrick Chung as good value picks in the late-1st to 2nd round who would bring a nasty edge to the field. Find a way to get 2 or 3 of these guys and we could see a quick turnaround next year.

[bpc]

Not as bad? What are you watching then? We are a bottom tier defense and need to address that, but you think we need to look at WR? Or trade for Boldin?
Thats like people saying we should trade Champ.

If we do go offense in the 1st next year, RB and C are basically the only positions worth selecting. Maybe OG.
But defense, we could select from every position. DE, DT, MLB, CB and S. Gotta believe one player from one of those positions will be of value for us.

Nothing like losing to one of the top 5 worst teams in the NFL to make me look silly.

Still, if I was to rate what we need the most right now it would be DT, LB, WR, HB, and then S.

There isn't a lot at DT this year from the guys I've seen play.

Most of the impact MLB's will be gone.

There most likely will be some quality WR's, HB's and S's on the board.

I still think we have to do this the good ol' fashion way. Draft the BPA and not reach on players.

[U4EA]

Best Defensive Player Available! Sure, if we see a depth receiver or lineman on day two, get him but it's still the defense, stupid!

[oubronco]

can we draft a kickasss D-line coach Burney sucks

[JCMElway]

Nothing like losing to one of the top 5 worst teams in the NFL to make me look silly.

Still, if I was to rate what we need the most right now it would be DT, LB, WR, HB, and then S.

There isn't a lot at DT this year from the guys I've seen play.

Most of the impact MLB's will be gone.

There most likely will be some quality WR's, HB's and S's on the board.

I still think we have to do this the good ol' fashion way. Draft the BPA and not reach on players.


I agree, but Shanny is really liking Torrain when he comes back from injury. We'll see if that's the spark we need. I hope we load up with 2 LBs and 2 Safeties.

[MVP-06]

I used to think we needed to go MLB first, however I believe after the first 4 games Safety is a huge hole. Manuel and Mcree suck.........see article http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10623429

Were pretty much throwing warm bodies in there much like we did with the DL a few years ago. I'll take Moore or the kid from USC in the late teens, early twenties picks

[socalorado]

I used to think we needed to go MLB first, however I believe after the first 4 games Safety is a huge hole. Manuel and Mcree suck.........see article http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_10623429

Were pretty much throwing warm bodies in there much like we did with the DL a few years ago. I'll take Moore or the kid from USC in the late teens, early twenties picks

Moore will be the 1st Safety off the board man.

His name is Chung, Patrick Chung.

[socalorado]

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[MVP-06]

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predicted to be a 2-3rd rounder right now from what ive read. i'll admit I haven't seen him play a whole lot though

[nickademus]

I usually watch a whole lot more college ball but for whatever reason I just havent this season so far. But I am lucky in that my Father in law is a scout for the jets and he will tell me what he thinks about different players if I ask.

[socalorado]

predicted to be a 2-3rd rounder right now from what ive read. i'll admit I haven't seen him play a whole lot though

I should have explained. i dont want Chung in the 1st. He will be sought after in the 2nd most likely. Thats where i would like to see him taken by DEN.
This guy is a ballhawking playmaker with a great tackle skillset as well. Really good up in the box, or in coverage. Hes a gamer. He also returned punts and KOs for ORE. Hes could come in right now and take either position from day 1.

[mattob14]

I should have explained. i dont want Chung in the 1st. He will be sought after in the 2nd most likely. Thats where i would like to see him taken by DEN.
This guy is a ballhawking playmaker with a great tackle skillset as well. Really good up in the box, or in coverage. Hes a gamer. He also returned punts and KOs for ORE. Hes could come in right now and take either position from day 1.

Agreed 100%. Chung was a guy I wanted last year until he withdrew and I think he'll be a great value this year. He may not have the measurables of Mays, or even Moore, but he's still a solid athlete who's extremely productive. A tough, all-around Safety who can tackle is just what the doctor ordered for that defense right now.

[socalorado]

Agreed 100%. Chung was a guy I wanted last year until he withdrew and I think he'll be a great value this year. He may not have the measurables of Mays, or even Moore, but he's still a solid athlete who's extremely productive. A tough, all-around Safety who can tackle is just what the doctor ordered for that defense right now.

Not only do i want DEN to draft Chung, but i really like this guy as well. If Barrett doesnt pan out, i would like to see this guy drafted by DEN as well.

Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Height: 6-0. Weight: 189.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
5/19/09: A member of the first team All-SEC, Rashad Johnson had 94 tackles 5.5 tackles for loss and eight pass breakups.

2007: Made his first start against Hawaii last year and hasn't looked back. Rashad Johnson has become an important part of Alabama's secondary. He can help in the return game at the next level.

[mattob14]

Not only do i want DEN to draft Chung, but i really like this guy as well. If Barrett doesnt pan out, i would like to see this guy drafted by DEN as well.

Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama
Height: 6-0. Weight: 189.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
5/19/09: A member of the first team All-SEC, Rashad Johnson had 94 tackles 5.5 tackles for loss and eight pass breakups.

2007: Made his first start against Hawaii last year and hasn't looked back. Rashad Johnson has become an important part of Alabama's secondary. He can help in the return game at the next level.

Yeah, it'd be nice to add a centerfield type too. There are usually quality Safeties available late, so why not take a flier on 1?

Speaking of 'Bama, I'd give just about anything for Julio Jones in 2011. The kid is special. If he were eligible this year, I really think he'd be the top WR off the board as a Freshman.

[oubronco]

I kinda like Crabtree from Texas Tech

[socalorado]

Yeah, it'd be nice to add a centerfield type too. There are usually quality Safeties available late, so why not take a flier on 1?

Speaking of 'Bama, I'd give just about anything for Julio Jones in 2011. The kid is special. If he were eligible this year, I really think he'd be the top WR off the board as a Freshman.

Heres another guy i always liked as a darkhorse. he is playing fantastic right now for SC. Take a flier on this guy. he can play CB as well.

Josh Pinkard, FS, USC
Height: 6-1. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2009): 6-FA.
5/19/09: I'd like to see Josh Pinkard catch a break. He's missed most of the past two seasons. He's a dynamic talent but just can't get on the field.

2007: Josh Pinkard is out for the year with a torn ACL. He may get a medical redshirt.

Pinkard was arrested in May on DUI charges. He wasn't convicted yet, but the news will likely bring down his draft stock.

Had season-ending knee surgery in September, so it remains to be seen if Josh Pinkard can still run that 4.44. If he can, he's the top-rated free safety eligible for the 2008 Draft. Can also play corner.

[mattob14]

Heres another guy i always liked as a darkhorse. he is playing fantastic right now for SC. Take a flier on this guy. he can play CB as well.

Josh Pinkard, FS, USC
Height: 6-1. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Projected Round (2009): 6-FA.
5/19/09: I'd like to see Josh Pinkard catch a break. He's missed most of the past two seasons. He's a dynamic talent but just can't get on the field.

2007: Josh Pinkard is out for the year with a torn ACL. He may get a medical redshirt.

Pinkard was arrested in May on DUI charges. He wasn't convicted yet, but the news will likely bring down his draft stock.

Had season-ending knee surgery in September, so it remains to be seen if Josh Pinkard can still run that 4.44. If he can, he's the top-rated free safety eligible for the 2008 Draft. Can also play corner.

I haven't paid much attention to Pinkard, but he sounds like a good athlete. A 215 pound CB? What position is he playing this year?

[footstepsfrom#27]

Just gimme this beast.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2089/2474800985_b5a604ef9d.jpg?v=0

[socalorado]

I haven't paid much attention to Pinkard, but he sounds like a good athlete. A 215 pound CB? What position is he playing this year?

Both! Mostly Safety though.

[SoCalBronco]

2007: Josh Pinkard is out for the year with a torn ACL. He may get a medical redshirt.

Pinkard was arrested in May on DUI charges. He wasn't convicted yet, but the news will likely bring down his draft stock.

.

We were really impressed with his sophomore tape and what he did in the community as a sophomore as well.

[socalorado]

We were really impressed with his sophomore tape and what he did in the community as a sophomore as well.

Hes comin around! :sunshine:

[mattob14]

Hes comin around! :sunshine:

You've got me sold, at least with one of our late rounders. I'll have to watch for him next time I catch an SC game.

[bpc]

Everett Brown. He'll be a difference maker for us in the 4-3 or 3-4. This defense needs more difference makers.

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[socalorado]

Everett Brown. He'll be a difference maker for us in the 4-3 or 3-4. This defense needs more difference makers.

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Ah, i dont think Everett is coming out this year. Hes a sophmore.
Would LOVE to have him in DEN though.

[bpc]

Ah, i dont think Everett is coming out this year. Hes a sophmore.
Would LOVE to have him in DEN though.

Are you sure? Nfldraftscout has him listed as a junior.

[oubronco]

that duck move won't work in the NFL but man he's fast off the line

[socalorado]

Are you sure? Nfldraftscout has him listed as a junior.


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RS Junior

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Stantonsburg, NC

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Beddingfield

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6-4 / 252

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DE

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So hes a red shirt Junior!??!
Way to confuse everyone!

Or is that "returning starter" junior?
*sighs*