NFL Network Tonight - Top 10 Hall of Fame Show

[B-Love]

The NFL Network's Top Ten shows are pretty good shows and tonight's episode has me curious. With the Hall of Fame ceremony coming this weekend, tonight's episode will be the "Top 10 Players Who Should be in the Hall of Fame".

I'll be watching to see if Randy Gradishar will make the list and also to see if they will reference the disgraceful lack of Broncos in the Hall in general.

Emjoy.

[RonDaChamp24]

I saw that too, and it had me wondering, but not about Gradishar. About Terrell Davis. Davis dominated the NFL for the few years that he played, and he belongs in the hall. Not as a first balloter maybe, but he definitely belongs. So does Gradishar. No doubt in my mind, one of the biggest snubs ever.

[kmonty]

Floyd Little.

[Kaylore]

I bet you Tombstone is on that list. Steve Sabol really liked him.

[Dukes]

You could fill half the list with Broncos

[The Moops]

Anyone watching this?

I'm sure they'll forget about #44 . . . probably will mention Terrell Davis though. After all, he's on the NFL network!

I'm sure they'll mention Bob Hayes and Ken Stabler. Two guys of "high" character . . .

[SlipperyPete]

They mentioned Gradishar's name along with a few other LBs like Kevin Greene as a lead-in to Derrick Thomas, who was #2 on the list.

They spent considerably more time showing ex-Raiders complaining about guys from their team who weren't in. The only mention of a lack of Broncos was at the very end of the show, with a sportswriter naming off Broncos who weren't in the HOF, and the show cutting to another sportswriter saying "no" to each name. Except Gradishar, who he gave a "maybe" to.

There was no such retort given to the Oakland players listing the Raiders they felt should be in.

[Tombstone RJ]

Ah yes, just what Al Davis needs to justify his huge ego, more faiders players from the 1970s in the stupid HOF.

Forget about the Broncos, they are not worthy...

[The Moops]

Who were the sportswriters, anyone know?

These guys are so short-sighted. When in doubt they name players from good teams during the 70s-80s, as if guys who toiled on weak teams sucked. It's always let's put in more Raiders, Cowboys, Steelers, Dolphins and 49ers.

Most of them are beat writers who push guys from the teams they covered. Rick Gosselin always pushing Cowboys, Chiefs, and Lions. John McClain always pushing Oilers and Cowboys, because he grew up a Cowboys fan. Ira Miller always pushing 49ers and Raiders. And NY guys like Peter King and Dr. Z pushing Giants, Jets with King throwing a Bengal and Patriot in there once in a while because he spent time on those areas...

It's beyond sickening, and the league does nothing about it.

[Kaylore]

The end was pretty cool. They mentioned Gradishar and Jackson. Dr. Z is a tombstone Jackson fan! They went through the list of Broncos not in and this douche bag kept say "no" to every one. The Broncos are absolutely screwed when it comes to the HOF.

[lex]

The problem I have with it is similar to what many others have. To sustain the level of success Denver has had as an organization, essentially going back to the 1970s, there has to be some reason behind it, whether its John Elway, Mile High Magic (fans, altitude, etc), other great players, or some combination. The problem is that if the majority of these sports writers attribute Denvers success to one guy, then John Elway should be regarded in absolute terms as the greatest QB to ever live -- but they dont regard him as the GOAT in absolute terms. If its because of Mile High Magic, then the fan base should be referred to more glowingly. If its because of other players, then they should get into the HOF. But when you measure Denvers historic success and compare that with discussion of Denver as a franchise, something doesnt reconcile. Unfortunately, Woody Paige is Denvers representative in HOF voting and it has been made known that he, not surprisingly, does an amazingly poor job and lobbying for Denvers players and, in fact, doesnt really take the task seriously.

[Rausch 2.0]

I understand I'll get no love for this but DT deserves in.

I won't claim he was the most humanitarian or modest of those left out but he was a completely unblockable pass rusher.

The argument doesn't stick that he wasn't a complete LB. He wasn't asked to be until his final year. His job was to play hand down and rush the passer.

The fact that he did that for a decade and his team didn't suffer (essentially playing with only 2 LB's) should bolster his clout. He had multiple sack games vs. HOF tackles. He downed hard to sack QB's like Elway and Marino.

To me it's like saying Barry Saunders doesn't get in because he couldn't block.

Yeah, true, but what he did do was so amazing it changed the way a team played you. For that game any given team had to ammend their strategy and philosophy.

And FTR TD is a HOF player. He didn't have the longevity but he had the production. In the freaking SUPER BOWL his play alone made the opponent say "Yeah, we're going to give them this touchdown."

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU a touchdown.

Think about that...

[lex]

I understand I'll get no love for this but DT deserves in.

I won't claim he was the most humanitarian or modest of those left out but he was a completely unblockable pass rusher.

The argument doesn't stick that he wasn't a complete LB. He wasn't asked to be until his final year. His job was to play hand down and rush the passer.

The fact that he did that for a decade and his team didn't suffer (essentially playing with only 2 LB's) should bolster his clout. He had multiple sack games vs. HOF tackles. He downed hard to sack QB's like Elway and Marino.

To me it's like saying Barry Saunders doesn't get in because he couldn't block.

Yeah, true, but what he did do was so amazing it changed the way a team played you. For that game any given team had to ammend their strategy and philosophy.

And FTR TD is a HOF player. He didn't have the longevity but he had the production. In the freaking SUPER BOWL his play alone made the opponent say "Yeah, we're going to give them this touchdown."

WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU a touchdown.

Think about that...


DT deserves to be in the HOF. He was a huge part of KCs winning, before and after they brought in Joe Montana. Their defense was always the foundation for success for the entire time Marty was there. They were never able to get over the hump but their defense gave them a chance.

During 1997, KC didnt give up a rushing TD at home until TD scored 2 in that playoff game. But since its KC and not NY and also because KC didnt win a SB, he gets ignored.

[The Moops]

Jeff Legwold is the Broncos HOF representative now and, I think, is doing a good job. You're right about Paige. He squandered so many Broncos chances for induction. I've been told he was either unprepared during presentations, made jokes, and was even smashed half the time. Adam Shefter is another one. Good guy but knows nothing about the legendary players like Floyd Little, Rich Jackson, Lionel Taylor. He only knows Elway-players from 1990 on.

[BroncoBuff]

What network is this you speak of? ???
.

[TomServo]

ahh, my standard rock solid response to any hof thread.
6 superbowls. one of the top five D's (orange crush) of all time and one count em one-at this date- h o famer?
f the hof.

[SlipperyPete]

Who were the sportswriters, anyone know?

I think the guy listing Broncos was Rick Reilly, but I wouldn't swear to it. If it was, that would really only bolster the point you were making, since Reilly started his career in CO.

The guy saying "no", I'm not sure who it was.

[SlipperyPete]

I understand I'll get no love for this but DT deserves in.

I won't claim he was the most humanitarian or modest of those left out but he was a completely unblockable pass rusher.

The argument doesn't stick that he wasn't a complete LB. He wasn't asked to be until his final year. His job was to play hand down and rush the passer.

The fact that he did that for a decade and his team didn't suffer (essentially playing with only 2 LB's) should bolster his clout. He had multiple sack games vs. HOF tackles. He downed hard to sack QB's like Elway and Marino.

To me it's like saying Barry Saunders doesn't get in because he couldn't block.

Yeah, true, but what he did do was so amazing it changed the way a team played you. For that game any given team had to ammend their strategy and philosophy...

Of the 10 players they listed, it seemed obvious that everyone thought Derrick Thomas (#2) and Cris Carter (#3) will get in soon. The reactions were more of a "why aren't they in there already?" kind of thing. Which in Carter's case is a little silly, since he was only up for the vote one time.