Bush Says Kill Him

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ah, the power and responsibility of God, er, I mean the president.

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Bush OKs execution of Army death row prisoner (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080729/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_military_execution_10)

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush on Monday approved the execution of an Army private, the first time in over a half-century that a president has affirmed a death sentence for a member of the U.S. military.

With his signature from the Oval Office, Bush said yes to the military's request to execute Ronald A. Gray, the White House confirmed. Gray had had been convicted in connection with a spree of four murders and eight rapes in the Fayetteville, N.C., area over eight months in the late 1980s while stationed at Fort Bragg.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080728/capt.1a7730c12318449e8f9ed9aa5d607f92.bush_militar y_execution_ncfay201.jpg?x=255&y=345&sig=FRwK2KP2jVF3AwClTwSohQ--
This April 1988 picture shows Ronald A. Gray in handcuffs and chains, escorted by military police leaving a Fort Bragg, N.C. courtroom. President Bush on Monday, July 28, 2008 approved the execution of the Army private, the first time in over a half-century that a president has affirmed a death sentence for a member of the U.S. military. Gray was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg.
(AP Photo/The Fayetteville Observer, Marcus Castro)

"While approving a sentence of death for a member of our armed services is a serious and difficult decision for a commander in chief, the president believes the facts of this case leave no doubt that the sentence is just and warranted," White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

In the military courts, "Private Gray was convicted of committing brutal crimes, including two murders, an attempted murder and three rapes. The victims included a civilian and two members of the Army. ... The president's thoughts and prayers are with the victims of these heinous crimes and their families and all others affected."

Unlike in the civilian courts, a member of the U.S. armed forces cannot be executed until the president approves the death sentence. Gray has been on death row at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., since April 1988.

Members of the U.S. military have been executed throughout history, but just 10 have been executed by presidential approval since 1951 when the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the military's modern-day legal system, was enacted into law.

President Kennedy was the last president to stare down this life-or-death decision. On Feb. 12, 1962, Kennedy commuted the death sentence of Jimmie Henderson, a Navy seaman, to confinement for life.

President Eisenhower was the last president to approve a military execution. In 1957, he approved the execution of John Bennett, an Army private convicted of raping and attempting to kill an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He was hanged in 1961.

The death penalty was outlawed between 1972 and 1984, when President Reagan reinstated it.
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[spdirty]

good.

[Crushaholic]

May God have mercy on his soul. He certainly didn't have any mercy for his victims...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush Says Kill Him

Just like old times, eh?

[That One Guy]

I think he's referring to Bush's Texas execution record/spree...

[TDmvp]

I think he's referring to Bush's Texas execution record/spree...

i stand corrected .... I forgot L.A. aint Gonzo for a min. and had temporary head in @$$ ...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think he's referring to Bush's Texas execution record/spree...

Ding ding ding!

[sisterhellfyre]

Bush Says Kill Him

Just like old times, eh?

OK, LABF & Slug, come on now. This has very little to do with Dubya. Trying to slag him for it is just ridiculous. This case has been working its way thru both the civilian and military justice systems for almost 20 years, and the death sentence has been upheld at every level of appeal.

Regards,
m.

[TDmvp]

If we are going to have a the death pent. this seems like a type deal where it would a no clearer , worthy use of it ... 4 murders and 8 rapes i mean IF we are going to kill the worst criminals this seems like one of those times ...
I'm not for the death pent unless there is unreal amount of proof the person is the guilty person , cause i have seen where DNA is now freeing people jailed for crimes they didn't do so it has to be just clear cut with a confession / dna / and no loose ends ... But i'm for it for the worst of us ...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

OK, LABF & Slug, come on now. This has very little to do with Dubya. Trying to slag him for it is just ridiculous. This case has been working its way thru both the civilian and military justice systems for almost 20 years, and the death sentence has been upheld at every level of appeal.

Regards,
m.

Yeah, what was I thinking?

How could I possibly associate Bush and capital punishment in my mind? ;)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

OK, LABF & Slug, come on now. This has very little to do with Dubya. Trying to slag him for it is just ridiculous. This case has been working its way thru both the civilian and military justice systems for almost 20 years, and the death sentence has been upheld at every level of appeal.

Regards,
m.Bush likes the idea of murdering people as punishment, he has a proven history of it. I suspect he somewhat enjoys the power of deciding who lives and who dies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush likes the idea of murdering people as punishment, he has a proven history of it. I suspect he somewhat enjoys the power of deciding who lives and who dies.

That's correct.

Who could forget Karla Faye Tucker?

From 1995 to 2001, George W. Bush presided over more than 150 executions, more than any governor in modern times. He signed death warrants the way Britney Spears signs autographs. He refused to allow stays, even for DNA testing, and he answered concerns about the fairness of the system by mouthing empty platitudes about justice and the purity of jury verdicts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-mapes/the-ghosts-bush-left-behi_b_55814.html


http://www.bartcop.com/death-loves-bush.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Channeling Bush’s Inner Sadist: An Insight Into His Obsession with Torture


We were writing a review of a BuzzFlash premium of a collection of Garry Trudeau's "Doonesbury" cartoons last weekend when we serendipitously came across this tidbit, posted in a 2004 Associated Press article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5439743) (watch for the end of the excerpt):Cartoonist Garry Trudeau, who has skewered politicians for decades in his comic strip "Doonesbury," tells Rolling Stone magazine he remembers Yale classmate George W. Bush as "just another sarcastic preppy who gave people nicknames and arranged for keg deliveries."

Trudeau attended Yale University with Bush in the late 1960s and served with him on a dormitory social committee.

"Even then he had clearly awesome social skills," Trudeau said. "He could also make you feel extremely uncomfortable ... He was extremely skilled at controlling people and outcomes in that way. Little bits of perfectly placed humiliation."

…. Trudeau said he penned his very first cartoon to illustrate an article in the Yale Daily News on Bush and allegations that his fraternity, DKE, had hazed incoming pledges by branding them with an iron.

The article in the campus paper prompted The New York Times to interview Bush, who was a senior that year. Trudeau recalled that Bush told the Times "it was just a coat hanger, and ... it didn’t hurt any more than a cigarette burn."
We now vaguely recall the article when it first came out, but at that point Bush’s torture obsession didn’t have the horrific longevity and toll that it has acquired by this point in 2007.

For a boy who allegedly shot BB guns at his brothers and did who knows what to small animals, Bush as recalled by Trudeau offers no small insight into what is clearly a sadistic (and as we have repeatedly said, sociopathic) individual.

Bush has continued to insist that his administration does not conduct torture by merely redefining what torture is, as distinct from how it is outlawed under International law and agreements. You can see how he accomplishes this "redefining" by his claim to The New York Times, while he was at Yale, that branding fraternity pledges was not cruel because "it didn’t hurt any more than a cigarette burn."

The Democrats have long treated the torture issue as though it were a public policy issue and not an outgrowth of a psychological deviancy on the part of Bush (along with the Cheney/Addington "we are accountable to no one" worldview).

As BuzzFlash has long argued, Bush is a model narcissistic sociopath, who is devoid of the ability to empathize. It is the characteristic of such people to have the ability to "appear" to be concerned about others, but that is just for show. The inner heart is empty. You can knock all you want, but you won’t find anyone home in the empathy department when it comes to sociopathic personalities.

The long-ago forgotten recollection of Garry Trudeau, as corroborated in the Yale Daily News and The New York Times, indicates quite clearly Bush’s mindset: inside of the "great hugger" is a "great sadist."

That may explain why Bush's latest appointment for Attorney General has been so brazenly coy in claiming that he has not made up his mind yet on whether or not water boarding is torture. (Not to mention Mukasey’s Stepford-like assertion of the doctrine of "unitary authority" for the executive branch, which is what grants the White House its ability to torture at will.)

The Bush Administration’s obsession with torture is deep-seated and personal. George’s love of it in particular is not so much for what it might do in assisting in the war on terror, as it is a perverse exercise in humiliation and the exercise of absolute power to inflict pain on other people through the use of unaccountable and an all-powerful authority.

What we have been seeing unfold before us since the rendition and Abu Ghraib stories first broke (and there were earlier indications in Afghanistan of mass killings and torture, although not as widely reported) is the elevation of a sadistic fraternity head to the highest office in the land, but his delight at "harmlessly" branding pledges has just progressed to the next level: torture, murder (remember the tortured to death cadavers at Abu Ghraib), and the "disappeared."

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/227

[Hotrod]

Kill him twice and do it slow

[Meck77]

The "Save this asshole" crowd would be first in line to pull the trigger if was their sister that was raped.

Waste the SOB and put it on CNN.

[Dudeskey]

Good riddance, ****er

[W*GS]

What powers does the governor of Texas have regarding executions?

We need to know that before we judge Bush to be a happy killer during his tenure.

[alkemical]

He did pardon the death penalty for a serial killer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Lee_Lucas#Clemency_and_death), so he isn't all bad...right?

[OrangeDoofus]

Okay, so this doesn't have anything to do with the article, but look at the guard next to Gray in the picture. Look right above his mouth. What the hell is that?

(a) a shadow from his nose that just happens to look like a Hitler mustache (doesn't seem like it judging by the other shadows in that pic).

(b) a smudge on the camera/negative/scanner/whatever that looks like a Hilter 'stache.

(c) a photoshopped Hitler 'stache.

(d) an actual Hitler 'stache.

Anyone have an idea?

[DenverBrit]

Unlike in the civilian courts, a member of the U.S. armed forces cannot be executed until the president approves the death sentence. Gray has been on death row at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., since April 1988.


So who here is suggesting that Bush commute this thug's sentence??

If the appeal process hadn't taken so long, Clinton could have been the one approving the court decision to execute.

I can only imagine the outrage here had Bush commuted his sentence.

I can't stand Bush, but this is one decision he's made that should be acceptable.

WTF has this to do with his execution rate in Texas??
Death sentences have always been popular in Texas.
The only surprise is that they are not public and televised.......hosted by a hypocritical TV evangelist wearing a sky blue polyester suit and a cheap toupee.

[Rohirrim]

I'm opposed to the death penalty on principle. Put this guy in a hole three stories down in Florence and let him rot with the Unabomber and the idiots who bombed the WTC, never to be heard from again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So who here is suggesting that Bush commute this thug's sentence??

Not me. He deserves what he's getting.

Just pointing out that it's just like old times for "The Texicutioner."

It's one thing to approve the death penalty - it's another thing to get a boner at executions.

[TDmvp]

Not me. He deserves what he's getting.

Just pointing out that it's just like old times for "The Texicutioner."

It's one thing to approve the death penalty - it's another thing to get a boner at executions.

So you agree with it ... but just want to Bish about Bush ... OK we got it ...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So you agree with it ... but just want to Bish about Bush ... OK we got it ...

You don't like it when people pick on your boy - we get it.

[TDmvp]

You don't like it when people pick on your boy - we get it.

nah bish/pick all you want , i was just maken sure i understood ... I hate all suits so calling Bush my boy is like saying i also love hip hop music , the ban on weed , and haters .

But least now i know that ... Yes you agree with Bush ... YES you just want to bish at least once in every thread about HIM even if you agree ...

you two should just get a room and hug it out and get it over with ...
A beer or 2 and a little mood music and spooning and you would be over your rage ... i hear W loves to cuddle ..
I may write a love song about it ... :)

[DenverBrit]

It's one thing to approve the death penalty - it's another thing to get a boner at executions.

Personal experience with Dubya??
You're much closer to Bush than you admit. Hilarious!

[DenverBrit]

You don't like it when people pick on your boy - we get it.

A classic 'straw man' comment.......distort and misrepresent.
C'mon LABF, admit it, you're the biggest 'scarecrow' on the Mane. Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Personal experience with Dubya??
You're much closer to Bush than you admit. Hilarious!

This from the guy who believes Dubya's version of what happened on 9/11 is unassailable?

That's rich. Ha!

A classic 'straw man' comment.......distort and misrepresent.

Yeah - what was I thinking?

It doesn't bother him one bit that I criticize his boy Dubya.

This fact wasn't a motive in his last post.


C'mon LABF, admit it, you're the biggest 'scarecrow' on the Mane.

It's pretty clear from your last few posts that you smoked the scarecrow - and that he's made of Thai sticks. :D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The "Save this a-hole" crowd would be first in line to pull the trigger if was their sister that was raped.
Waste the SOB and put it on CNN.If I caught someone murdering or raping someone in my family or a friend I'd probably kill them. But I do not believe in murdering a human as "justice" or punishment for a crime in a court of law. Man, killing man, to prove killing man is wrong, is not acceptable behavior if humans want to ever advance as a species.

Putting murderers and the like who commit these horrible crimes in a place that doesn't provide fringes like cable TV, radio, weight machines or any other type of recreation or entertainment and confine them in cells, not exercise yards, feeding them only the most basic and cheap foods, can't be a place anyone would desire to be in the rest of their lives.

[TDmvp]

If I caught someone murdering or raping someone in my family or a friend I'd probably kill them. But I do not believe in murdering a human as "justice" or punishment for a crime in a court of law. Man, killing man, to prove killing man is wrong, is not acceptable behavior if humans want to ever advance as a species.

Putting murderers and the like who commit these horrible crimes in a place that doesn't provide fringes like cable TV, radio, weight machines or any other type of recreation or entertainment and confine them in cells, not exercise yards, feeding them only the most basic and cheap foods, can't be a place anyone would desire to be in the rest of their lives.


Murders don't think that way ... i figure that is why people fight for Life sent. and not just Go HEY F it , i'll take the death pent..


And great post Meck ...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Murders don't think that way ... i figure that is why people fight for Life sent. and not just Go HEY F it , i'll take the death pent..
And great post Meck ...I don't know how you would know that, want to explain?

Anyway, every study shows the death penalty absolutely does NOT deter murderers. Also, it cost taxpayers far more money to try and murder a murderer than sending him into prison for the rest of his life.

[TDmvp]

i was just going by the fact that most people on trial with a chance of getting the death pent. fight like a crazy man to just get life ... so going by that you could say murderers would rather have the life style you spoke of with no perks over death is all i ment ...


edit ... and i never said it deter murderers , But i think it is fair that you know if you do murder someone , you might just die for it ...

[DenverBrit]

This from the guy who believes Dubya's version of what happened on 9/11 is unassailable?

Wrong straw man. notsofast
It's your crazy version that Bush planned 911 and demolished the WTC that I don't buy. :tinfoilha :loopy:

Yeah - what was I thinking?
Lie, smear & distort
:thought:


You don't really want to open the 911 and THC threads again, do you?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You don't really want to open the 911 and THC threads again, do you?

If you're that kind of a glutton for punishment, then knock yourself out.

In the meantime, it looks like you're already well on your way to jacking every other thread in this forum in the service of your personal vendetta.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

i was just going by the fact that most people on trial with a chance of getting the death pent. fight like a crazy man to just get life ... so going by that you could say murderers would rather have the life style you spoke of with no perks over death is all i ment ...
edit ... and i never said it deter murderers , But i think it is fair that you know if you do murder someone , you might just die for it ...Well, sure read that way but how many civilized countries do you know that still kill man to prove killing man is wrong?

[Spider]

anyone who has been here awhile knows how I would react if i caught someone trying to kill or rape someone I cared about .........
Killing this guy might be the right thing to do , but no one should be happy bout it

[TDmvp]

anyone who has been here awhile knows how I would react if i caught someone trying to kill or rape someone I cared about .........
Killing this guy might be the right thing to do , but no one should be happy bout it

absolutely ... totally on all accounts from your reaction if you caught someone doing it ... to not being happy about having to do it ...

[DenverBrit]

In the meantime, it looks like you're already well on your way to jacking every other thread in this forum in the service of your personal vendetta.

You're the one who jacked the thread with 911 and THC references.
But you've never been fussy about the facts, have you?

As for a vendetta.
I've always campaigned against liars and stupidity, so if you take it personally, I understand.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You're the one who jacked the thread with 911 and THC references.
But you've never been fussy about the facts, have you?

You seldom encounter a fact you're not willing to ignore.

I was posting on topic right up until you and your buddy TDmvp started whining about me picking on Dubya and making it personal.


I've always campaigned against liars and stupidity...

Then you must engage in quite a bit of self-loathing and self-abuse.

[DenverBrit]

You seldom encounter a fact you're not willing to ignore.



Being lectured on facts by you is: Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[TDmvp]

you have serious people issues L.A. , i used to be in a band with a guy who acted just like you . even when he was happy he was just Fing miserable like the SnL skit Debbie Downer , if she did crack , and use any excuse to $hit on people and push your agenda down peoples throats and spew your repetitive spiel ... I bet if there was a thread on the TV show Night Court , you would turn it into a fight over Bush ...

I mean you agree with the man "W" on this issue and you have done nothing but bish about him in this thread , and call anyone that thinks you are wrong is bush's buddy and insult them ... so we agree with him on the issue , you agree with him on this issue , but anytime you post in any thread you have to bash bush non the less and make every thread about you , not the issue ... hence why you never post any forum but this one on the mane ...

Stuck on yourself much ???


I personally think you just love to act like a Fing classless punk and run your mouth non stop , EVEN IF SOMEONE TRIES TO BE CIVIL TO YOU , you still just run your month like someone who thinks like your opinion is better then other peoples and more worthy , like somebody Fing owes you something ... get Fing real , climb down off that cross you love to hang yourself from and use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER YOURSELF ...
cause you have serious issues with anyone who just slightly disagrees with you , to someone who thinks you are just bat$hit crazy .... you treat everyone the same , Like they are trash and you are Fing sooooo Fing smart.


Stuck on yourself much ???

furthermore I think i have made myself more then clear on like say 100 occasions that sometimes i agree with the left sometimes i agree with the right and you ignore that and anything you don't want to see cause that is how your type works .

People on here always say you ignore facts , i think it is more like you ignore anything you want that make you be able to Bish and trash people more ... even if what you say about them or the issue is the farthest thing from the truth ...

Have fun with that ...

[ScottXray]

LABF, I think you are off base with this "particular" case, as far as GWB goes.

The guy did multiple murders and rapes, and is getting what he should.
Our justice system is skewed , but if we aren't going to lobotomise/castrate murderers and multiple rapists then I don't want to pay the bill for his life imprisonment. Kill him and be done with it. We have already paid for his defense and supported him (albeit in an unpleasant environment) for years. He committed capital murder, so even the recent SC judgement doesn't protect him. While GB may get a hard on by signing the death warrant, that is between him and his creator, and only they really know.

The occasional case that may eventually be found to have been wrongfully convicted is going to occur, no matter what. Mistakes happen because we have an imperfect justice sytem. Keeping many thousands in prison for life is much more expensive to society ( financially , not morally) than finding a way to end this.

I believe that people who commit crimes of this type (multiple murders, etc) are probably beyond our ability to reform. Their "human" rights become forfeit when they forgo their humanity, and become beasts. A kindler gentler'
world would be nice. Unfortunately, we live in this one.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF, I think you are off base with this "particular" case, as far as GWB goes.

The guy did multiple murders and rapes, and is getting what he should.


I'm not sure you're following me here - I said I agreed that the guy deserved what he got.

I also said executions give Bush a chub.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you have serious people issues L.A. , i used to be in a band with a guy who acted just like you . even when he was happy he was just Fing miserable like the SnL skit Debbie Downer , if she did crack , and use any excuse to $hit on people and push your agenda down peoples throats and spew your repetitive spiel ... I bet if there was a thread on the TV show Night Court , you would turn it into a fight over Bush ...

I mean you agree with the man "W" on this issue and you have done nothing but bish about him in this thread , and call anyone that thinks you are wrong is bush's buddy and insult them ... so we agree with him on the issue , you agree with him on this issue , but anytime you post in any thread you have to bash bush non the less and make every thread about you , not the issue ... hence why you never post any forum but this one on the mane ...

Stuck on yourself much ???


I personally think you just love to act like a Fing classless punk and run your mouth non stop , EVEN IF SOMEONE TRIES TO BE CIVIL TO YOU , you still just run your month like someone who thinks like your opinion is better then other peoples and more worthy , like somebody Fing owes you something ... get Fing real , climb down off that cross you love to hang yourself from and use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER YOURSELF ...
cause you have serious issues with anyone who just slightly disagrees with you , to someone who thinks you are just bat$hit crazy .... you treat everyone the same , Like they are trash and you are Fing sooooo Fing smart.


Stuck on yourself much ???

furthermore I think i have made myself more then clear on like say 100 occasions that sometimes i agree with the left sometimes i agree with the right and you ignore that and anything you don't want to see cause that is how your type works .

People on here always say you ignore facts , i think it is more like you ignore anything you want that make you be able to Bish and trash people more ... even if what you say about them or the issue is the farthest thing from the truth ...

Have fun with that ...

Ha ha ha! ROFL!

That was such a nutty rant that it made me laugh.

[TDmvp]

well laughing is a start , cause your just so angry .
you really should stop bashing me for smoking weed ... cause if i know anyone who would benefit from mellowing out a little , it is you man ...

[Breaker]

you have serious people issues L.A. , i used to be in a band with a guy who acted just like you . even when he was happy he was just Fing miserable like the SnL skit Debbie Downer , if she did crack , and use any excuse to $hit on people and push your agenda down peoples throats and spew your repetitive spiel ... I bet if there was a thread on the TV show Night Court , you would turn it into a fight over Bush ...

I mean you agree with the man "W" on this issue and you have done nothing but bish about him in this thread , and call anyone that thinks you are wrong is bush's buddy and insult them ... so we agree with him on the issue , you agree with him on this issue , but anytime you post in any thread you have to bash bush non the less and make every thread about you , not the issue ... hence why you never post any forum but this one on the mane ...

Stuck on yourself much ???


I personally think you just love to act like a Fing classless punk and run your mouth non stop , EVEN IF SOMEONE TRIES TO BE CIVIL TO YOU , you still just run your month like someone who thinks like your opinion is better then other peoples and more worthy , like somebody Fing owes you something ... get Fing real , climb down off that cross you love to hang yourself from and use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER YOURSELF ...
cause you have serious issues with anyone who just slightly disagrees with you , to someone who thinks you are just bat$hit crazy .... you treat everyone the same , Like they are trash and you are Fing sooooo Fing smart.


Stuck on yourself much ???

furthermore I think i have made myself more then clear on like say 100 occasions that sometimes i agree with the left sometimes i agree with the right and you ignore that and anything you don't want to see cause that is how your type works .

People on here always say you ignore facts , i think it is more like you ignore anything you want that make you be able to Bish and trash people more ... even if what you say about them or the issue is the farthest thing from the truth ...

Have fun with that ...

****ing Rep that **** everyone ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh oh - the right-wing circle jerk has started.

[Breaker]

Oh oh - the right-wing circle jerk has started.

Any circle jerk probably ends with you swallowing the results huh LABF

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Any circle jerk probably ends with you swallowing the results huh LABF

You sound like a man of experience.

[TDmvp]

You sound like a man of experience.

LOL i was thinking the same thing when you said hey look a right wing circle jerk ... but i just didn't want to be a @$$hole ... :)

[Breaker]

You sound like a man of experience.

Says the guy that has never even been with a woman :rofl:

[ScottXray]

I'm not sure you're following me here - I said I agreed that the guy deserved what he got.

I also said executions give Bush a chub.

I meant that this particular case is not one that I would use as a criticism of Bush, which is what you have done. I don't particularly like GWB , and maybe he does get a boner signing execution orders , but you are drawing that inference based on really weak stuff, and not any credible FACTS. I have no personal knowledge of GB getting the mentioned chub, and neither do you. The only Fact in evidence is he signed the excution order, and he signed a lot more while he was governor of Texas. The order signed for this case seems to be justified, which we both agree on.

Spouting crap, whether it is right wing crap (Obama is a muslim) , or other crap (Bush gets a hardon killing people), is still crap. It doesn't win points in any book that I know of, other than the book of lies, and adopting the techniques of dis and mis-information that is so popular with our current government and media outlets does not make anything presented truth. It just raises the noise level.

[TDmvp]

you have serious people issues L.A. , i used to be in a band with a guy who acted just like you . even when he was happy he was just Fing miserable like the SnL skit Debbie Downer , if she did crack , and use any excuse to $hit on people and push your agenda down peoples throats and spew your repetitive spiel ... I bet if there was a thread on the TV show Night Court , you would turn it into a fight over Bush ...

I mean you agree with the man "W" on this issue and you have done nothing but bish about him in this thread , and call anyone that thinks you are wrong is bush's buddy and insult them ... so we agree with him on the issue , you agree with him on this issue , but anytime you post in any thread you have to bash bush non the less and make every thread about you , not the issue ... hence why you never post any forum but this one on the mane ...

Stuck on yourself much ???


I personally think you just love to act like a Fing classless punk and run your mouth non stop , EVEN IF SOMEONE TRIES TO BE CIVIL TO YOU , you still just run your month like someone who thinks like your opinion is better then other peoples and more worthy , like somebody Fing owes you something ... get Fing real , climb down off that cross you love to hang yourself from and use the wood to build a bridge and GET OVER YOURSELF ...
cause you have serious issues with anyone who just slightly disagrees with you , to someone who thinks you are just bat$hit crazy .... you treat everyone the same , Like they are trash and you are Fing sooooo Fing smart.


Stuck on yourself much ???

furthermore I think i have made myself more then clear on like say 100 occasions that sometimes i agree with the left sometimes i agree with the right and you ignore that and anything you don't want to see cause that is how your type works .

People on here always say you ignore facts , i think it is more like you ignore anything you want that make you be able to Bish and trash people more ... even if what you say about them or the issue is the farthest thing from the truth ...

Have fun with that ...


****ing Rep that **** everyone ^5


and then he don't Rep me ... tough room :) ... hehe

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't particularly like GWB , and maybe he does get a boner signing execution orders , but you are drawing that inference based on really weak stuff, and not any credible FACTS. I have no personal knowledge of GB getting the mentioned chub, and neither do you.

That's bullsh*t.

Have you ever heard of Karla Faye Tucker?

Much has been written about Bush's sadism by those who have known him personally.

When he was Governor of Texas, he signed death warrants like Brittney Spears signs autographs.

[TDmvp]

i have heard of her ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker








On June 11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_11), 1983 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983), "MY BIRTHDAY" Tucker and her friends and sisters got high on drugs and alcohol at a party, where she heard that Shawn had broken up with her abusive husband a week earlier. Tucker decided to get even with him. Two days later, having spent the day doing drugs with Garrett, she entered Jerry Dean's home at 2:00 AM with Garrett and James Leibrant to steal Dean's motorcycle. During the robbery, Dean heard the commotion, and Garrett struck him numerous times with a hammer. His girlfriend, Deborah Thornton, entered the bedroom to find Garrett striking Dean on the head, and hid under the covers, where Tucker discovered her hiding. Tucker then hacked Deborah to death with multiple pickax blows, before Garrett embedded the axe in Deborah's heart.






Her plea drew support from abroad and also from some leaders of American conservatism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism). Among those who appealed to the State of Texas on her behalf were Waly Bacre Ndiaye, the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) commissioner on summary and arbitrary executions, the World Council of Churches, Pope John Paul II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II), Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romano_Prodi), the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Newt Gingrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich), and televangelist Pat Robertson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson). The warden of Texas's Huntsville prison testified that she was a model prisoner and that, after 14 years on death row, she likely had been reformed.<sup class="noprint Template-Fact">[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]</sup> Despite these pleas, the Texas Board of Pardons and Parole (http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/) denied her request for clemency.
In the year following her execution, a journalist questioned Governor Bush about how the Board of Pardons and Parole had arrived at the determination on her clemency plea. The journalist, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson), alleged that Bush, alluding to an televised interview which Karla Faye Tucker had given to talk show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_show) host Larry King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_King), smirked and spoke mockingly about her on account of her clemency plea:<sup id="cite_ref-6" class="reference">[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker#cite_note-6)</sup>
<dl><dd> <dl><dd>In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin%2C_Texas) to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them", he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_King) either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked — ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel — because he immediately stops smirking.</dd></dl> </dd></dl> Journalist Carlson followed up on Bush's alleged remark by reviewing a videotape of the interview on Larry King's show. Carlson found that Tucker had in fact not uttered the entreaty, "Please don't kill me" nor words to that effect.<sup id="cite_ref-7" class="reference">[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karla_Faye_Tucker#cite_note-7)</sup> Bush denied Carlson's allegations. No other witness corroborated Carlson's story.

[ScottXray]

That's bullsh*t.

Have you ever heard of Karla Faye Tucker?

Much has been written about Bush's sadism by those who have known him personally.

When he was Governor of Texas, he signed death warrants like Brittney Spears signs autographs.

Bushes sadism is an opinion, not a fact. Yes, he comes off as cruel, and smiling about this is an indication of an internal personality that I wouldn't care to know on a personal basis. It still is not something we can ever know.

Personally, I despise him , and consider him an evil man. That is an opinion, and has no more bearing than any other opinion. The fact that I consider him evil does not make it so. Even if a 100 or 200 million people have that opinion, it doesn't mean its true.

Saying Bush feels just like old times is your opinion, and yet you say the guy deserves what he is getting in this case. That makes this a poor case to attack Bush for his previous record of execution, which is my point.

[Chupacabra]

I'm not sure you're following me here - I said I agreed that the guy deserved what he got.

I also said executions give Bush a chub.

Damn LABF, why do you always talk about Bush and chubs. You must really have a hard on for the guy you so clearly hate.

[That One Guy]

Oh no... someone else asking LABF for facts. Be weary of that road... LABF will bring you opinions and articles till your eyes bleed. I'm not even certain the guy knows what the word fact means... maybe we just need to get a fund together and get him a book set - a dictionary so he can answer questions correctly and a thesaurus so he can have a seemingly new idea occasionally.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh no... someone else asking LABF for facts. Be weary of that road... LABF will bring you opinions and articles till your eyes bleed. I'm not even certain the guy knows what the word fact means... maybe we just need to get a fund together and get him a book set - a dictionary so he can answer questions correctly and a thesaurus so he can have a seemingly new idea occasionally.

When it comes to facts, you're living proof that you can lead a horse to water...

(That you are still asking for proof that Bush lied us into Iraq is proof of this.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bushes sadism is an opinion, not a fact.

BS again.

How does a psychologist derermine someone is a sadist (or exhibits sadistic traits?)

By observing his behavior!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Damn LABF, why do you always talk about Bush and chubs.

Always?

Got some proof of that?

[ScottXray]

BS again.

How does a psychologist derermine someone is a sadist (or exhibits sadistic traits?)

By observing his behavior!

Youré assuming that a psychologist calling someone a sadist makes it a fact. Not so. It's the psychologists opinion, and not necessarily a fact. He may have several degrees in the discipline, but that still doesn't mean more than he might be considered to have some depth of experience in evaluating human interactions. His opinion isn't necessarily correct, even though it might be, it is just an opinion.

As far as that goes, psychology is a very unscientific field of study, and is not one I'd say is grounded in reliable science, although there are tendencies that MAY be true, under some accepted psychiatric dogmas. The problem is that there are multiple interpretations of certain human behaviors, and the reasons for those behaviors, and therefore multiple psychiatric theories and disciplines. The statement that X psychologist determines that X person has X tendencies does not make it a fact. He may have 20 other psychologists agree with him, and it still is not a fact. It is just an opinion, and since its made by a human, and therefore fallible, has about the same level of credence as the bible, or less. A nice story , written by numbers of unknown persons, none of which can be proved to be a fact. It IS generally a good way to live your life, but the truth of whether it is the word of God is something, that by the definition of it, is to be taken on faith.

I digress, and the point is that most of what goes on here is only opinion.

My opinion is that criticising Bush signing the execution order in this case ( by bringing up his previous executions and that part of this thread ) does more to harm your other arguments, than help. That is what I was trying to get across. Sometimes you have to give a little in order to further the agenda you want to pursue. I normally enjoy a lot of what you have to say and post, but your stubborness and refusal to bend on some positions does you a lot of harm. I mean that.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Youré assuming that a psychologist calling someone a sadist makes it a fact. Not so. It's the psychologists opinion, and not necessarily a fact.

It's called a "diagnosis" - not an "opinion."

And it's based on observable patterns of behavior.

According to your logic, if a man is arrested for theft several times each year, it's just an "opinion" that he is a "thief."

[ScottXray]

It's called a "diagnosis" - not an "opinion."

And it's based on observable patterns of behavior.

According to your logic, if a man is arrested for theft several times each year, it's just an "opinion" that he is a "thief."

There is a difference between a diagnosis of a psychological condition and behavior in breaking laws, but until proven guilty the thief is a suspect, not a thief. The cops who arrest him may have the opinion that he is a thief, and once allowed to present their evidence they may get a jury and the justice system to declare him the same. The jury is still out on GWB, although it is likely that he is a sadist, as you have said. We cannot know what is truly in his mind, since we aren't in his mind.

The biggest problem I have in this whole thread is that your sole response in most exchanges is to attack the message that criticises in order to defend your position, instead of LISTENING! Not every position is one of merit, and although you are very quick, you are not always right.

Peace!

[Spider]

President Bush is living proof Indians ****ed Buffalo

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There is a difference between a diagnosis of a psychological condition and behavior in breaking laws, but until proven guilty the thief is a suspect, not a thief.

Proven guilty, yes, I know - but the analogy was intended to show that a diagnosis of a psychological condition or a mental disorder is based on observable behavior.

And in my analogy I used the case of a man who was routinely arrested for theft.