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Rigs11
07-28-2008, 12:23 PM
Hilarious!

White House projects record deficit for 2009

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The White House on Monday predicted a record deficit of $490 billion for the 2009 budget year, a senior government official told CNN.

The deficit would amount to roughly 3.5 percent of the nation's $14 trillion economy.

The official pointed to a faltering economy and the bipartisan $170 billion stimulus package that passed earlier this year for the record deficit.

The fiscal year begins October 1, 2008.

The federal deficit is the difference between what the government spends and what it takes in from taxes and other revenue sources. The government must borrow money to make up the difference.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing a lack of authorization to speak publicly ahead of an official briefing later Monday by Office of Management and Budget Director Jim Nussle.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the stimulus package was necessary, even if it increased the deficit.

"We do think the plan was the right one, and it will have an effect," Perino said. "And the best way to help reduce the deficit is to make sure you are keeping a lock on spending, but also that you can also try to help to build the economy. So we hope this will help us pull out of the economic downturn over the next few months because of the stimulus package.

"I remember that back when we were discussing the stimulus package, both parties recognized that the deficit would increase, and that would be the price that we pay in order to help improve the economy," she said.

President Bush inherited a budget surplus of $128 billion when he took office in 2001 but has since posted a budget deficit every year.

The Bush administration has spent heavily on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and faces a large budget shortfall in tax revenue because of Bush's tax cuts and a souring economy.

A Democratic point man on the budget, Sen. Kent Conrad of North Dakota, blasted the administration for its "reckless fiscal policies," blaming the president's tax cuts for driving the government into deficit and saying Bush "will be remembered as the most fiscally irresponsible president in our nation's history."

Conrad, who chairs the Senate's budget committee, accused the president of "squandering" the deficit he inherited from President Bill Clinton and said the increased debt the government has taken on to cover the deficit has undermined the value of the dollar and hurt the overall economy.

"If they gave out Olympic medals for fiscal irresponsibility, President Bush would take the gold, silver and bronze," Conrad said. "With his eight years in office, he will have had the five highest deficits ever recorded. And the highest of those deficits is now projected to come in 2009, as he leaves office."
But the senior administration official says the budgetary problems stem from what is believed to be inadequate defense, intelligence and homeland security resources that were handed down from Clinton.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office in March projected the deficit for the 2008 fiscal year, which ends September 30, would be $396 billion. It predicted the 2009 deficit to be $342 billion, if the president's proposals were adopted.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/28/2009.deficit/index.html

Crushaholic
07-28-2008, 12:43 PM
Fiscally speaking, Bush has been a horrible president. No question about it.

Garcia Bronco
07-28-2008, 12:54 PM
Him and Congress. I would like to see the next President put more onus on Congress. Good luck with that one.

Play2win
07-28-2008, 02:50 PM
Over the last eight years its been the same President but different congresses.

Their are two things that have remain constant over the last eight years: Bush and rash, immature, irresponsible and horrible spending leading to an outrageous deficit. Bush IS the source of this problem. Remove the CANCER, and give this country a little time to heal, and the economy will be up and healthy again.

The economy will be up and running again, given time, just by the sure fact of purging out of it the CANCER that IS George W. Bush.

Garcia Bronco
07-28-2008, 03:03 PM
Over the last eight years its been the same President but different congresses.

Their are two things that have remain constant over the last eight years: Bush and rash, immature, irresponsible and horrible spending leading to an outrageous deficit. Bush IS the source of this problem. Remove the CANCER, and give this country a little time to heal, and the economy will be up and healthy again.

The economy will be up and running again, given time, just by the sure fact of purging out of it the CANCER that IS George W. Bush.

Except you forget that the house ways and means committee and the senate appropriations committee spend the money. Furthermore the government can only spend money by creating a law. So before a bill even gets to the President's desk it's been through several committees and a vote by both houses of Congress. I am disappointed by the complete disregard for budget but put the credit/blame where it belongs.

Rohirrim
07-28-2008, 03:07 PM
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/28/1228433.aspx

Drek
07-28-2008, 06:27 PM
Except you forget that the house ways and means committee and the senate appropriations committee spend the money. Furthermore the government can only spend money by creating a law. So before a bill even gets to the President's desk it's been through several committees and a vote by both houses of Congress. I am disappointed by the complete disregard for budget but put the credit/blame where it belongs.
Congress and the Senate used to be under mostly republican control, Bush got us up to our eyeballs in his first term and has left the preceding congresses and senates with little other option than to keep spending in an attempt to bail the country out.

Fact is, he put through so much extra spending for the war, tax breaks for the rich, etc. that he left the national coffers bare for when things like a Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bail out came due. He used no foresight, or more accurately, just enough so the **** has only really started hitting the fan these last few years.

I largely blame Cheney as I think he was the mastermind behind 90% of Bush's political moves while Bush was basically a puppet leader who had his own strong stances but let the rest of the administration do as they pleased given it kept them out of his way, or running parallel to it.

Play2win
07-28-2008, 06:59 PM
Yeah, and who is the Bully Pulpit...

frerottenextelway
07-28-2008, 07:00 PM
Except you forget that the house ways and means committee and the senate appropriations committee spend the money. Furthermore the government can only spend money by creating a law. So before a bill even gets to the President's desk it's been through several committees and a vote by both houses of Congress. I am disappointed by the complete disregard for budget but put the credit/blame where it belongs.

Let's put it where it belongs - on the Bush tax cut to billionaires.

Play2win
07-28-2008, 07:10 PM
Let's put it where it belongs - on the Bush tax cut to billionaires.

It is a type of Oligarchy Rule for the Republican party. The only way one can get access to the Republican Presidential Nomination is by supporting, pushing for and getting the tax cuts for the upper 1%. It is really the one and only truly deciding factor. It usually comes with many other supporting issues, but it is the one, where "The buck stops HERE"...

Just ask McSame...

Bronco_Beerslug
07-28-2008, 07:11 PM
Except you forget that the house ways and means committee and the senate appropriations committee spend the money. Furthermore the government can only spend money by creating a law. So before a bill even gets to the President's desk it's been through several committees and a vote by both houses of Congress. I am disappointed by the complete disregard for budget but put the credit/blame where it belongs.Really, well the PRESIDENT sets the budget (Congress votes on it), remember that.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2008, 08:25 PM
Really, well the PRESIDENT sets the budget (Congress votes on it), remember that.

And the GOP-controlled Congress was just a rubber stamp for the chimperor.

Play2win
07-28-2008, 08:29 PM
And the GOP-controlled Congress was just a rubber stamp for the chimperor.

Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:

frerottenextelway
07-28-2008, 08:45 PM
Okay Folks - The Budget Problem 101

*** ~60% of the budget is non-discretionary spending

This spending is madated by law, such as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

*** ~40 of the budget is discretionary spending - which is what is negotiated between Congress and the President

Over half of this goes to military (not including the two Wars). Of the remaining ~20% of the overall budget, the majority of that goes to Health and Human Services, Education, Veterans Administration and the State Department. Interest on previous debt also eats up a big chunk here.

So, the pork everyone wants to discuss - while not completely irrelevant - isn't going to balance the budget at these tax rates, no matter how you cut it. In a utopian world, you might be able to trim $100 billion off our 500 billion a year debt problem - but even that is pushing any realistic scenario.

The bottom line is we have two options:

a.) keep the tax rates and elimate departments like education and severely cut back on the military

or

b.) go back to the previous tax rates

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2008, 09:08 PM
Roll back the Bush tax cuts for billionaires.

Eliminate subsidies and other corporate welfare for Big Oil.

BABronco
07-28-2008, 09:12 PM
Roll back the Bush tax cuts for billionaires.

Eliminate subsidies and other corporate welfare for Big Oil.

cut tons of useless gov organizations while we are at it

W*GS
07-28-2008, 09:21 PM
Really, well the PRESIDENT sets the budget (Congress votes on it), remember that.

Wrong.

The budget arises from the House, it and the Senate negotiate and confer on it, the President negotiates with Congress, and the taxpayer gets screwed.

The President hardly creates the budget and the Congress merely approves it.

Re-read your Constitution.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2008, 09:22 PM
Apparently W*GS isn't aware of Bush's (largely successful) efforts to establish a unitary executive.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2008, 09:28 PM
Bush Circumventing Congress on Domestic Policy

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/dec/15/nation/na-bush15

December 15, 2002

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-28-2008, 09:30 PM
Meet Your New OIRA Administrator, Susan Dudley

(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070404-4.html)
President Bush just installed Susan Dudley (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070404-4.html) as White House regulatory czar through a recess appointment. Dudley will now serve in the White House Office of Management and Budget as administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA).
Dudley (http://www.ombwatch.org/article/archive/455) is a triple threat when it comes to the federal regulatory process.

First, she is ideologically opposed to regulation of any kind. She is likely to roll back countless public protections, and will be loath to support any new rulemakings.
Second, Dudley is over-zealous when it comes to regulatory review and cost-benefit analysis. The policies she will pursue as OIRA administrator will likely result in "paralysis by analysis."
Third, Dudley is a friend of industry, and corporate executives are likely to have unprecedented access to the regulatory process. Three strikes … and now she's in. Moreover, Bush's choice to use a recess appointment circumvents Congress and shows disregard for the democratic process. "At a time when the American people are growing more frustrated with back-room, special interest dealings at the White House, Bush has bypassed the transparency afforded by the Senate confirmation process," said Rick Melberth, OMB Watch's Director of Regulatory Policy.
For more, read the OMB Watch press release (http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/3799/1/192?TopicID=5).

Bronco_Beerslug
07-28-2008, 10:09 PM
Wrong.

The budget arises from the House, it and the Senate negotiate and confer on it,Incorrect.

the President negotiates with Congress, and the taxpayer gets screwed.

The President hardly creates the budget and the Congress merely approves it.

Re-read your Constitution.Uh, you better find a newspaper somewhere and catch up a little.

The president SETS the budget and sends it to Congress. I've already corrected you on this before.

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WASHINGTON — President Bush set the stage Monday for an election-year battle over spending priorities by proposing a $3.1 trillion budget that cuts spending and taxes while more than doubling the federal deficit

Bush sent his 2009 budget to Congress over the Internet (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-02-03-bush-budget_N.htm), but it landed with a figurative thud on Capitol Hill. Democrats vowed to ignore most of the threatened cuts to Medicare and other domestic programs.