View Full Version : nyone here taking a active role in the 2008 campaign?
peacepipe
07-26-2008, 03:48 PM
I am doing volunteer work for the Obama campaign here in FL,such as voter registration,knocking on doors, etc. We had a org. meeting today that was quite impressive,we had to move it outdoors to accomodate all that showed up to help. I was curious to see if anyone here has been taking an active role in their city/town for either canidate?
Bronco_Beerslug
07-26-2008, 04:53 PM
I am doing volunteer work for the Obama campaign here in FL,such as voter registration,knocking on doors, etc. We had a org. meeting today that was quite impressive,we had to move it outdoors to accomodate all that showed up to help. I was curious to see if anyone here has been taking an active role in their city/town for either canidate?Not in the presidential race, I am for Mark Udall against Bob Schaffer in the race for Senate (http://www.markudall.com/).
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Pseudofool
07-26-2008, 05:14 PM
Campaigning for Obama in SW Michigan (Voter registration, just started canvassing).
In Kalamazoo (a pretty conservative city in MI) for the initial volunteer meeting we had 250 people show up at a small office.
Nope. None - won't give a thin dime to anyone, either.
OrangeDoofus
07-26-2008, 06:04 PM
Spent a couple of hour this morning knocking on doors for Obama. I'm in northern VA now, and a lot of people seem excited about the possibility of turning the state blue.
Why do people bother? Since when do politicians give a damn about anything other than increasing their power?
Anyone who believes otherwise is a naïve dupe.
peacepipe
07-26-2008, 06:56 PM
Spent a couple of hour this morning knocking on doors for Obama. I'm in northern VA now, and a lot of people seem excited about the possibility of turning the state blue.I'm going to be knocking on some doors tomorrow.
I used to live in alexandria,VA,lived in or around there for 14 yrs.
BroncoBuff
07-26-2008, 07:00 PM
I signed up for Hillary about a year ago, but she never really tapped the volunteer list. Plus Obama came along ... it's hard to believe one year ago he was just a Dodd, a Biden, a Kucinich.
No sense volunteering in the general, this state is solid blue.
peacepipe
07-26-2008, 07:05 PM
I signed up for Hillary about a year ago, but she never really tapped the volunteer list. Plus Obama came along ... it's hard to believe one year ago he was just a Dodd, a Biden, a Kucinich.
No sense volunteering in the general, this state is solid blue.
I wish I could say that about FL,with some luck & hard work it can happen.
frerottenextelway
07-26-2008, 07:08 PM
I signed up for Hillary about a year ago, but she never really tapped the volunteer list. Plus Obama came along ... it's hard to believe one year ago he was just a Dodd, a Biden, a Kucinich.
No sense volunteering in the general, this state is solid blue.
You can phonebank through their website for other states or work on whatever local races are competitive. Moving away from the tragedy of the past 8 years will take a working majority in Congress. :)
Spider
07-26-2008, 07:11 PM
Why do people bother? Since when do politicians give a damn about anything other than increasing their power?
Anyone who believes otherwise is a naïve dupe.
Yeah so ? who are you to be telling people what they can or can not do with their time ? are you some kind of commie bastard ?
Yeah so ? who are you to be telling people what they can or can not do with their time ? are you some kind of commie bastard ?
People can waste their time however they see fit. However, being a volunteer for a politician is less useful than, say, washing one's hair.
TexanBob
07-26-2008, 07:18 PM
I'm actively rooting for a do-over to avert the pending disaster if either Obama or McCain are elected.
Spider
07-26-2008, 07:24 PM
People can waste their time however they see fit. However, being a volunteer for a politician is less useful than, say, washing one's hair. so you think washing your hair is a waste of time . bet your co workers love you
And another misreading...
You need to go back to school for English.
frerottenextelway
07-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Why do people bother? Since when do politicians give a damn about anything other than increasing their power?
Anyone who believes otherwise is a naïve dupe.
Do you think our nation would've went to War in Iraq if Al Gore would've won 8 years ago?
If not - then it's safe to say who we elect makes a pretty big ****ing difference.
Do you think our nation would've went to War in Iraq if Al Gore would've won 8 years ago?
If not - then it's safe to say who we elect makes a pretty big ****ing difference.
Yes and no.
The point is that volunteering for a politician is a self-chosen form of exploitation; he/she doesn't give a rat's ass about you - you're just a means to the end, which is more power.
peacepipe
07-26-2008, 09:20 PM
I know someone who is a die hard GWB supporter who makes the same arguement that politicians are all the same & will do nothing for you. As if you should stay home & not vote. It's the hope everyone stays home strategy to get McCain elected. Low voter turn out always benefits republicans.
Pseudofool
07-26-2008, 09:21 PM
Wiggy, so I guess you spend all your time in non-wasteful manners. No TV no message boards etc., etc.,. We're all wasting our time, aren't we, like right now? Certainly getting out in the community, getting to know ones neighbors and those who think like oneself, even if for naive ends, is more useful than clamoring on internet message board. Again, thank god you're not my neighbor.
frerottenextelway
07-26-2008, 09:23 PM
Yes and no.
The point is that volunteering for a politician is a self-chosen form of exploitation; he/she doesn't give a rat's ass about you - you're just a means to the end, which is more power.
But I don't care if Al Gore cares(d) about me. I care about not fighting and dying in bull**** Wars.
Wiggy, so I guess you spend all your time in non-wasteful manners. No TV no message boards etc., etc.,. We're all wasting our time, aren't we, like right now?
There's wasting time posting here, and then there's wasting time helping a politician. Nothing of any consequence comes of the former; of the latter, however, a great deal of harm can come of it. I don't choose to be a dupe - but of course, others are free to let themselves be exploited.
Certainly getting out in the community, getting to know ones neighbors and those who think like oneself, even if for naive ends, is more useful than clamoring on internet message board.
That's debatable. Being a lemming seems good when surrounded by other lemmings, but to the rest of us, it's rather less so.
Again, thank god you're not my neighbor.
I leave others alone, which is anathema to you I'm sure. I deem it rude to pester people; if only you and folks like you would have the decency and respect to treat me likewise.
PS - Got that list of neo-con positions and policies done yet, so I can illustrate to you that your labeling me a "neo-con" is nothing more than a desperate slur?
frerottenextelway
07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
There's wasting time posting here, and then there's wasting time helping a politician. Nothing of any consequence comes of the former; of the latter, however, a great deal of harm can come of it. I don't choose to be a dupe - but of course, others are free to let themselves be exploited.
But you already copped to saying the Iraq War wouldn't have happened if Gore would've won in 2000. What exactly is of any consequence then?
But you already copped to saying the Iraq War wouldn't have happened if Gore would've won in 2000. What exactly is of any consequence then?
Posting here is completely irrelevant; helping a politician has dire consequences.
frerottenextelway
07-26-2008, 10:40 PM
Posting here is completely irrelevant; helping a politician has dire consequences.
Posting here is irrelevant (although highly entertaining!)
I don't get your second part. If Gore would've won - people I know - someone who went to my high school - wouldn't have a section of highway named after him. There is no doubt, the world will not be the same place no matter who we elect, there are real differences. I don't give a damn what motivates them (which seems to be your entire premise here), I give a damn about the bottom line.
I don't give a damn what motivates them (which seems to be your entire premise here), I give a damn about the bottom line.
Your attitude is what politicians want - you're easy pickings for their pandering.
frerottenextelway
07-27-2008, 12:30 AM
Your attitude is what politicians want - you're easy pickings for their pandering.
So, you believe who we elect does make a large difference in our lives and our children's lives (I think you've admitted to this above with the Iraq/Gore point I made), but we shouldn't care who gets elected because they pander and are self-absorbed?
I'm not trying to be a strawman here... I think that's your point here and it's a bit ... out there ...
Spider
07-27-2008, 12:42 AM
And another misreading...
You need to go back to school for English.
Ok I will do that but in the meantime , you go look up Sarcasm ......tell me what it says ..........Then when you are done with that assignment .. go back reread this thread , then write an essay on how you think gore would have got us into Iraq .......
So, you believe who we elect does make a large difference in our lives and our children's lives (I think you've admitted to this above with the Iraq/Gore point I made), but we shouldn't care who gets elected because they pander and are self-absorbed?
The best thing a President could do is resign. No recent President has obeyed his oath of office - and Obama will be no different.
He's a politician - which means he's a liar.
If you believe half of what he says, then he's got plenty of time left before the election to get you to believe the other half of the crap he's selling. I suspect you'll buy it.
Didn't claim that, Spider. I'm careful with what I say - a trait you ought to consider.
frerottenextelway
07-27-2008, 01:15 AM
The best thing a President could do is resign. No recent President has obeyed his oath of office - and Obama will be no different.
He's a politician - which means he's a liar.
If you believe half of what he says, then he's got plenty of time left before the election to get you to believe the other half of the crap he's selling. I suspect you'll buy it.
You seem to be saying it's all about their character as a person, and policy is irrelevant - therefore who we elect is irrelevant. Yet you seem to admit that policy does have a major impact on the world (and I would hope so!).
I think I've made my point here - so you can have last word with me if you wish.
Spider
07-27-2008, 01:22 AM
Didn't claim that, Spider. I'm careful with what I say - a trait you ought to consider.
you claimed it was a waste of time to help a politician , and what i am saying is If more people helped gore win , we are not in Iraq ........let me know if this point still misses , I will find someone to draw you a picture .and you forgot the meaning of sarcasm ......
Pseudofool
07-27-2008, 01:25 AM
There's wasting time posting here, and then there's wasting time helping a politician. Nothing of any consequence comes of the former; of the latter, however, a great deal of harm can come of it. I don't choose to be a dupe - but of course, others are free to let themselves be exploited.So then campaigning has consequences; thank you. (You can't argue that campaigning is both "meaningless" or "doesn't matter" and then argue that "it can cause a great deal of harm". There's substantial policies differences between the two candidates, it's troubling you don't see that. I'm not so foolish to think that Obama will grant me my own Unicorn, stop genocide in Dafur, and kick ass at Guitar Hero, but he's miles ahead of McCain for any reasonable, non-greedy person.
That's debatable. Being a lemming seems good when surrounded by other lemmings, but to the rest of us, it's rather less so.Do you really think I'm backing Obama because of his popularity, because that's the implication. I'll stack my principles, my education, my judgments against yours any days.
I leave others alone, which is anathema to you I'm sure. I deem it rude to pester people; if only you and folks like you would have the decency and respect to treat me likewise.I leave people alone, as well, but it doesn't take much judgment to tell when someone would appreciate a kind word, a helping hand, or a kick in the ass.
PS - Got that list of neo-con positions and policies done yet, so I can illustrate to you that your labeling me a "neo-con" is nothing more than a desperate slur?You've never really understood why people call you a neo-con. The reality is that you can live and benefit from a neo-con administration because what you value more than anything else is money (not freedom, as you'd have us believe), under a liberal administration, you're at risk for the gov't to take money away from you to use it benefit people other than you. Typically the gov't pisses away tax payers money on wars, no bid contracts, and nonsensical welfare systems; but what you're not willing to entertain is that Obama might be great administrator, and might save you money. You're the kind of guy who still can't connect poverty to crime and how crime is more costly to society than helping the impoverished.
BroncoInferno
07-27-2008, 02:18 AM
Why do people bother? Since when do politicians give a damn about anything other than increasing their power?
Anyone who believes otherwise is a naïve dupe.
Wrong. I would say you are a vigilant cynic. While I certainly wouldn't argue that there are many politicians who fit your description, to pretend that there are literally none who truly want to help their constituents is nothing more than a cynical position. Of course, every politician is human and will make mistakes. But that doesn't mean that their only motivation is increasing power.
Spider
07-27-2008, 09:22 AM
I would be willing to teach obama my people skills
So then campaigning has consequences; thank you.
The reason I say that campaigning for a politician is a waste of time is not because doing so has no consequences, it's because one's time would be best spent improving things. Since politicians screw things up, helping them is a very poor use of one's time and energy.
There's substantial policies differences between the two candidates, it's troubling you don't see that.
The differences between Obama and McCain differ only in that Obama will hose things A, B, and C; McCain will hose things D, E, and F. Unfortunately, we citizens will always pay the price for their screwups.
I'm not so foolish to think that Obama will grant me my own Unicorn, stop genocide in Dafur, and kick ass at Guitar Hero, but he's miles ahead of McCain for any reasonable, non-greedy person.
Spoken like a true lemming.
Do you really think I'm backing Obama because of his popularity, because that's the implication. I'll stack my principles, my education, my judgments against yours any days.
Go right ahead - so far, you've made unsubstantiated accusations against me and have all the symptoms of a True Believer (in a politician, no less!). Not an impressive set of qualities upon which to hang one's hat. Toss in an incredible amount of hubris, and your stack of principles, education and judgement looks quite short.
I leave people alone, as well, but it doesn't take much judgment to tell when someone would appreciate a kind word, a helping hand, or a kick in the ass.
Oh, the arrogance! It's best when you can tell them what the need, because they don't know themselves, right?
You've never really understood why people call you a neo-con. The reality is that you can live and benefit from a neo-con administration because what you value more than anything else is money (not freedom, as you'd have us believe), under a liberal administration, you're at risk for the gov't to take money away from you to use it benefit people other than you. Typically the gov't pisses away tax payers money on wars, no bid contracts, and nonsensical welfare systems; but what you're not willing to entertain is that Obama might be great administrator, and might save you money. You're the kind of guy who still can't connect poverty to crime and how crime is more costly to society than helping the impoverished.
I'm a neo-con because I'm a greedy SOB, eh? OK, so prove that I'm a greedy SOB.
Changing the words you use to slur me doesn't change the fact that you're doing so.
One big difference between us - I don't make accusations I can't back up. You have no problem with that, which makes me question your principles, education, and judgement.
Bronco_Beerslug
07-27-2008, 11:38 AM
The reason I say that campaigning for a politician is a waste of time is not because doing so has no consequences, it's because one's time would be best spent improving things. Since politicians screw things up, helping them is a very poor use of one's time and energy.
You are probably living in the wrong country then and need to find one that doesn't have free election politicians in it, like, I don't know, most African nations, the Middle East, etc...
peacepipe
07-27-2008, 12:01 PM
The reason I say that campaigning for a politician is a waste of time is not because doing so has no consequences, it's because one's time would be best spent improving things. Since politicians screw things up, helping them is a very poor use of one's time and energy.
The differences between Obama and McCain differ only in that Obama will hose things A, B, and C; McCain will hose things D, E, and F. Unfortunately, we citizens will always pay the price for their screwups.
Spoken like a true lemming.
Go right ahead - so far, you've made unsubstantiated accusations against me and have all the symptoms of a True Believer (in a politician, no less!). Not an impressive set of qualities upon which to hang one's hat. Toss in an incredible amount of hubris, and your stack of principles, education and judgement looks quite short.
Oh, the arrogance! It's best when you can tell them what the need, because they don't know themselves, right?
I'm a neo-con because I'm a greedy SOB, eh? OK, so prove that I'm a greedy SOB.
Changing the words you use to slur me doesn't change the fact that you're doing so.
One big difference between us - I don't make accusations I can't back up. You have no problem with that, which makes me question your principles, education, and judgement.
If you are not a neo-con cause your a greedy sob then why are you a neo-con?
Rohirrim
07-27-2008, 12:02 PM
The problem Wiggsy has is the problem all utopians have: If it can't be absolutely pure, it shouldn't exist. If government can't reflect the crystalline purity of Wiggsy's principles, there should be no government.
Meanwhile, in the rational world, we are left deciding between two imperfect choices. In that world, the choice of Obama is miles better than the choice of McCain as far as differences in the outcome for this country. We really can't take four more years of uniformed, incurious, neocon, shoot-from-the-hip, imperialist, cowboy unilateralism. So, for all the bad things Obama might represent, on the big issues he's the better of two evils. By far.
You are probably living in the wrong country then and need to find one that doesn't have free election politicians in it, like, I don't know, most African nations, the Middle East, etc...
America, love it or leave it.
Thanks for playing the right-winger's old standby. I was waiting.
If you are not a neo-con cause your a greedy sob then why are you a neo-con?
Amazingly incoherent and idiotic comment.
The problem Wiggsy has is the problem all utopians have: If it can't be absolutely pure, it shouldn't exist. If government can't reflect the crystalline purity of Wiggsy's principles, there should be no government.
I'm no Utopian - but I don't expect good to come out of bad, either. I leave that to the deluded - who think a stinking pile of feces can be made into a delicious T-bone. Have you convinced yourself of the taste yet, Ro? You're getting close!
Bronco_Beerslug
07-27-2008, 01:43 PM
America, love it or leave it.
Thanks for playing the right-winger's old standby. I was waiting.Not at all but how can you stand to be in a place where you can't stand anybody? You hate the entire government, etc... so why are you here?
Not at all but how can you stand to be in a place where you can't stand anybody? You hate the entire government, etc... so why are you here?
I don't "hate the entire government" - only about 3/4ths of it, i.e., the parts not expressly defined and allowed by the Constitution.
And the only people whom I dislike are the ones who believe they can run my life better than I can. Their arrogance and hubris is most disgusting.
OrangeDoofus
07-27-2008, 01:50 PM
Why do people bother? Since when do politicians give a damn about anything other than increasing their power?
Anyone who believes otherwise is a naïve dupe.
I guess if I were to engage in this discussion on that premise, I would say that I think Obama's self-serving power-hungry megalomaniacal machinations will do less damage to the country than McCain's self-serving power-hungry megalomaniacal machinations.
And another misreading...
You need to go back to school for English.
You really need to take the broomstick out of your ass.
I guess if I were to engage in this discussion on that premise, I would say that I think Obama's self-serving power-hungry megalomaniacal machinations will do less damage to the country than McCain's self-serving power-hungry megalomaniacal machinations.
And yet you willingly choose a self-serving power-hungry megalomaniac.
How clever!
Bronco_Beerslug
07-27-2008, 02:07 PM
I don't "hate the entire government" - only about 3/4ths of it, i.e., the parts not expressly defined and allowed by the Constitution.
And the only people whom I dislike are the ones who believe they can run my life better than I can. Their arrogance and hubris is most disgusting.Uh, that's not what you said earlier...
Why do people bother? Since when do politicians give a damn about anything other than increasing their power.
Anyone who believes otherwise is a naïve dupe.
So I responded to your TOTAL dislike for ALL politicians.
OrangeDoofus
07-27-2008, 02:15 PM
And yet you willingly choose a self-serving power-hungry megalomaniac.
How clever!
As I said, if I were willing to engage in the discussion on that premise.
Spider
07-27-2008, 02:18 PM
Hilarious!
So I responded to your TOTAL dislike for ALL politicians.
Government != politicians.
But true, I can't think of a politician I like.
TexanBob
07-27-2008, 02:54 PM
Do you think our nation would've went to War in Iraq if Al Gore would've won 8 years ago?
Of course not. Gore wouldn't have gone to war anywhere. War leaves a big ****ing carbon footprint and Gore cares too much about polar bears drowning to ever do something that might expel so much energy such as...well, saving America from further terrorist attacks.
If Gore were president, we'd be herded into sensitivity training sessions so we can all learn how not to piss off the Arabs and be given mandatory lessons on what a peaceful religion Islam is.
Spider
07-27-2008, 02:59 PM
Of course not. Gore wouldn't have gone to war anywhere. War leaves a big ****ing carbon footprint and Gore cares too much about polar bears drowning to ever do something that might expel so much energy such as...well, saving America from further terrorist attacks.
If Gore were president, we'd be herded into sensitivity training sessions so we can all learn how not to piss off the Arabs and be given mandatory lessons on what a peaceful religion Islam is.
LOL . is there a meeting you right wingers attend to get this **** ? Gore would have went into Afghanistan after Ladin
Crushaholic
07-27-2008, 03:10 PM
LOL . is there a meeting you right wingers attend to get this **** ? Gore would have went into Afghanistan after Ladin
Based on what? His former boss bombed an aspirin factory...:wave:
Spider
07-27-2008, 03:14 PM
Based on what? His former boss bombed an aspirin factory...:wave:
at least it was in the right country ;D
peacepipe
09-13-2008, 01:58 PM
just to give everyone a heads up, I've been doing alot of canvassing(polling)& for every house hold I'm going to & lately it's been hispnic households I'm finding a 10-2 margin in favor of Obama here in florida.(the I4 corridor to be more specific) I canvassed 61 households today & found that either they support Obama or are leaning towards obama. I expected a closer margin but the #s are what they are. Another person had 19-9 in favor of Obama. We ran into alot of homes where no one was home but those that were home we found strong support for Obama.