What we've come to: The Horrors of Extraordinary Rendition

[That One Guy]

Wrong again.

The GOP was only able to win the '04 election via more electoral fraud and dirty tricks.

I bet everyone that voted for em did so because their family was being held hostage in an undisclosed location too. Them dirty, dirty republicans can't do anything legally... :wiggle:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I bet everyone that voted for em did so because their family was being held hostage in an undisclosed location too. Them dirty, dirty republicans can't do anything legally... :wiggle:

I guess it should come as no surprise that a guy who is just now learning about how Bush lied America into Iraq is oblivious to the GOP's proven/well-documented electoral frauds in '04.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Elections board workers take plea deal (http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/stats/redirect.cgi?r=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleveland.com%2Fm etro%2F2007%2F11%2Felections_board_workers_to_tak. html&page=http://search.cleveland.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Jacqueline+Maiden&x=21&y=10&rs=planetdiscover&re=click&rcrt=textlink&rcmp=search_blogs)
11/05/2007
Chuck Crow/Plain Dealer file Jacqueline Maiden, left, and co-defendant Kathleen Dreamer, flanked by attorney Roger Synenberg at a March court appearance. A special prosecutor ended a two-year drive to convict two county elections workers for r... - Blogs - Breaking News : Read More (http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/stats/redirect.cgi?r=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleveland.com%2Fm etro%2F2007%2F11%2Felections_board_workers_to_tak. html&page=nullhttp://search.cleveland.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Jacqueline+Maiden&x=21&y=10&rs=planetdiscover&re=click&rcrt=textlink&rcmp=search_blogs)
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<hr align="center" color="#dadfe1" size="1" width="99%"> <!-- datasiteid: 24/dataid:402029515-->Retrial of election workers on hold (http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/stats/redirect.cgi?r=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleveland.com%2Fm etro%2F2007%2F08%2Fretrial_of_elections_workers_o. html&page=http://search.cleveland.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Jacqueline+Maiden&x=21&y=10&rs=planetdiscover&re=click&rcrt=textlink&rcmp=search_blogs)
08/28/2007
An appeals court has put the brakes on the retrial of two Cuyahoga County Board of Elections workers charged with fudging a ballot recount. The trial was to begin today, but the 8th Ohio District Court of Appeals issued a stay of proceedings on M... - Blogs - Breaking News : Read More (http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/stats/redirect.cgi?r=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleveland.com%2Fm etro%2F2007%2F08%2Fretrial_of_elections_workers_o. html&page=nullhttp://search.cleveland.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Jacqueline+Maiden&x=21&y=10&rs=planetdiscover&re=click&rcrt=textlink&rcmp=search_blogs)
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<hr align="center" color="#dadfe1" size="1" width="99%"> <!-- datasiteid: 24/dataid:376355916-->Elections workers to get new trials (http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/stats/redirect.cgi?r=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleveland.com%2Fm etro%2F2007%2F08%2Felections_workers_to_get_new_t. html&page=http://search.cleveland.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Jacqueline+Maiden&x=21&y=10&rs=planetdiscover&re=click&rcrt=textlink&rcmp=search_blogs)
08/06/2007
By James F. McCarty Plain Dealer Reporter Plain Dealer photograph by Chuck Crow Ekections workers Jacqueline Maiden, left, and Kathleen Dreamer at their sentencing in March. They have been granted a new trial. Two Cuyahoga County Board of ... - Blogs - Breaking News : Read More (http://www.cleveland.com/cgi-bin/stats/redirect.cgi?r=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cleveland.com%2Fm etro%2F2007%2F08%2Felections_workers_to_get_new_t. html&page=nullhttp://search.cleveland.com/sp?aff=100&keywords=Jacqueline+Maiden&x=21&y=10&rs=planetdiscover&re=click&rcrt=textlink&rcmp=search_blogs)

[That One Guy]

Oh my.. anyone remember when this thread talked about terrorists and their treatment?

LABF, if he's committed so many crimes, shoot me a message when he goes on trial. Until then, let the obsession go. It's not healthy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF, if he's committed so many crimes, shoot me a message when he goes on trial. Until then, let the obsession go. It's not healthy.

What's "not healthy" is the sort of arrested moral development you exhibit here (via your implication that if a criminal escapes justice then no crime has been committed - move along, nothing to see here.)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't really have an opinion on the impeachment thing but I can agree completely on the rest. It's likely he lied, there's just no absolute proof. He could lose in a civil court but win in a criminal one with the evidence currently out there. We all know LABF's not one to quit though so if he says he's guilty, he'll find resources that agree with him until the internet runs out of letters to write articles with...Geeeezus, the Bush cartel absolutely lied this country into invading Iraq. Only about 8% of America doesn't know or understand that now or admit it.

[That One Guy]

Geeeezus, the Bush cartel absolutely lied this country into invading Iraq. Only about 8% of America doesn't know or understand that now or admit it.

Sure, I'll concede that's most likely the case (again). Now pin that guy down and convict him, I'll be waiting.

[That One Guy]

What's "not healthy" is the sort of arrested moral development you exhibit here (via your implication that if a criminal escapes justice then no crime has been committed - move along, nothing to see here.)

There's a difference in escaping justice and not knowing who to charge in the first place.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There's a difference in escaping justice and not knowing who to charge in the first place.

:bs:

1) It's not true that we don't know who to charge.

2) Even if you were right, there is a finite pool of suspects. Therefore it's just a matter of investigating them all. You are trying to argue, in essence, that if we don't know who to charge then we should just give everyone involved a pass.

[That One Guy]

:bs:

1) It's not true that we don't know who to charge.

2) Even if you were right, there is a finite pool of suspects. Therefore it's just a matter of investigating them all. You are trying to argue, in essence, that if we don't know who to charge then we should just give everyone involved a pass.

What's the old cliche about 10 guilty people going free before 1 innocent person goes to jail?

You're right there's a small pool of individuals. ONE of them is probably guilty of not telling the whole truth. We don't currently know with absolute certainty who it is though, there's your problem.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We don't currently know with absolute certainty who it is though, there's your problem.

Yes we do - the statements are a matter of public record.

Not undestanding this is your problem.

[That One Guy]

Yes we do - the statements are a matter of public record.

Not undestanding this is your problem.

I wish I could make a "Prove it" stamp for you. We're chasing our tails here. If you get absolute proof of who kept the secrets to themselves or if someone actually gets charged, let me know. I'll be interested in how it turns out. Until then, I'm done with your games. You're a man on a mission but your mission just leads you in circles.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I wish I could make a "Prove it" stamp for you.

I wish I could make a "reading comprehension" stamp for you.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Sure, I'll concede that's most likely the case (again). Now pin that guy down and convict him, I'll be waiting.It's not up to me to "convict him" but that's just a deflection by you.

Here's some reading for you though (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=55387&highlight=bush+timeline)...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[W*GS]

Which vice-president convinced his president to use extraordinary rendition by saying: "That's a no-brainer. Of course it's a violation of international law, that's why it's a covert action. The guy is a terrorist. Go grab his ass."