Apollo 14 Astronaut: Alien contact/cover-up has happened

[Taco John]

Didn't expect to see this in the news when I woke up this morning...



Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up

July 24, 2008 12:01am
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FORMER NASA astronaut and moon-walker Dr Edgar Mitchell - a veteran of the Apollo 14 mission - has stunningly claimed aliens exist.

And he says extra-terrestrials have visited Earth on several occasions - but the alien contact has been repeatedly covered up by governments for six decades.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

"I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real," Dr Mitchell said.

"It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it.

"I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit."


Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated.

He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction."

Mr Margerrison said: "I thought I'd stumbled on some sort of astronaut humour but he was absolutely serious that aliens are definitely out there and there's no debating it."

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.

'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.'


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24070088-13762,00.html

[Spider]

I have always wondered about my mother in law and a few posters here .....

[ludo21]

Need pictures!!!

[Spider]

Need pictures!!!

Ok if you insist .....Mother in law is the one on the right

[Hotrod]

This cat is 77 how old in Mccain???

[bronco militia]

yawn.....this thread was inspired by todays elway thread

[Spider]

This cat is 77 how old in Mccain???

LOL , no one knows for sure

[bronco610]

Ok if you insist .....Mother in law is the one on the right

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[OOJack]

yawn.....this thread was inspired by todays elway thread

Yeah, militia already sold his seats to the Aliens (a.k.a Faider fans) in exchange for immortality. I guess he like what he sees from the 200 year old Al Davis.

[BroncoBuff]

I love this stuff ... I'm pretty skeptical, but when there are reliable people who source these stories like this guy, it's fascinating stuff.

I dunno about this guy, I would want to see him on videotape to discern his coherence and lucidity, but we do know that there were bizarre small UFO bits that were positively catalogued on early space missions, that is fact, they were filmed with onboard devices. And NASA denied their existence for many years.

[Kaylore]

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs
So chilling!

[theAPAOps5]

Well this goes along with the purported alien on camera about to be shown in a documentary. Maybe George Noory isn't as looney as I thought.

[bronco militia]

Yeah, militia already sold his seats to the Aliens (a.k.a Faider fans) in exchange for immortality. I guess he like what he sees from the 200 year old Al Davis.

ummmm, what?

[Spider]

ummmm, what?

Yeah the guy is clearly a loon .Al Davis is only 197 years old

[OOJack]

ummmm, what?

My point is you're side stepping that aliens exist, because you sold out to them. Jackie!

[socalorado]

My point is you're side stepping that aliens exist, because you sold out to them. Jackie!

Where ARE the aliens?

[Orange_Beard]

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs l[/url]

No ****, most of us are using Windows.

[bronco militia]

My point is you're side stepping that aliens exist, because you sold out to them. Jackie!

I was disappointed with the article.

look someone else says aliens exist!

yawn.

[Spider]

Where ARE the aliens?

Washinton DC . place called Congress

[Spider]

No ****, most of us are using Windows.

hey now I love my windows 3.1 . they rock

[socalorado]

Washinton DC . place called Congress

Waitin for it. Nailed it.

[bronco militia]

hey now I love my windows 3.1 . they rock

Ha!

the mac guys hate you

[Spider]

Ha!

the mac guys hate you

LOL I have never drove a mack in my life ......

[Orange_Beard]

hey now I love my windows 3.1 . they rock

It is stable, faster then Vista.

[bronco militia]

LOL I have never drove a mack in my life ......

not that there's anythign wrong with that

:giggle:

http://www.applefactsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/appleswimsuit.jpg

[Spider]

not that there's anythign wrong with that

:giggle:

http://www.applefactsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/appleswimsuit.jpg

My eyes......... My eyes .......

[OOJack]

not that there's anythign wrong with that

:giggle:

http://www.applefactsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/appleswimsuit.jpg

so wrong

[Gcver2ver3]

well let's see...

the earth is just a dot to our solar system....which is a dot to our galaxy...which is a dot in our nebulas...which is a dot in the universe...

so do we really need someone to "reveal" to us that other intelligent life from exists?...

[Spider]

well let's see...

the earth is just a dot to our solar system....which is a dot to our galaxy...which is a dot in our nebulas...which is a dot in the universe...

so do we really need someone to "reveal" to us that other intelligent life from exists?...

so what are you saying ?

[alkemical]

I wonder if Richard Hoagland is really insane now....

[DenverBrit]

well let's see...

the earth is just a dot to our solar system....which is a dot to our galaxy...which is a dot in our nebulas...which is a dot in the universe...

so do we really need someone to "reveal" to us that other intelligent life from exists?...



The fact that aliens have not contacted us proves there is intelligent life in the universe. ;D

[alkemical]

JUST for something interesting:

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Grey.jpg

by Daniel V. Boudillion

Preface:

This report presupposes two very outlandish things: that there are "aliens", and that some people (occultists) have "magickal powers." It is not the point of this report to prove whether or not there are such beings or powers. What is known is that there are people who believe that there are such beings and believe that they have such powers. The crux of this report is based on what people believe, which may be very different from the way things really are. Please bear this in mind.



This report also recounts some very curious behavior on the part of a number of people. These behaviors and events actually did take place and are fact. However, the supposed results of these events are entirely subjective and entirely in the realm of belief. It is not my purpose to try to prove or disprove the beliefs of the people involved. It's what they did (and do) because of these beliefs that interest me.

Introduction:

I first became curious about a possible connection between the "grey aliens" of popular UFO culture and the activities of certain occultists after seeing several of UFO investigator Ray Fowler's books on the recommended reading list of a satanic website. In an idle moment I had done a Google search on Ray's book, The Watchers II, and one of the spots that listed it - much to my surprise - was the recommended reading list of a satanic group. (It is not my moral judgment that this group is satanic, the group itself calls itself satanic.)



I found this both disturbing and inexplicable - for what reason would a UFO book be included in the curriculum of a satanic group, and why Ray's book in particular? I emailed Ray and asked him if he had any insight into the situation, but he was as perplexed as I was. And there matters rested for a year or so until additional information came into my hands, information that may indicate - much as John Keel himself believed (Mothman Prophesies) - that occult activity may be an ingredient of the "grey alien" mystery.

The pictures below bear a resemblance and may hold the key. The first picture is a drawing made by occultist Alistair Crowley of an entity he had invoked repeatedly in 1918 and called "Lam." The second picture is a composite drawing by Ann Direnger (Contact of the 5th Kind - Imbrogno) of an "alien" type reported throughout 1980's in the Hudson Valley. Having noticed the similarity, I proceeded to investigate the connection.

[Kaylore]

not that there's anythign wrong with that

:giggle:

http://www.applefactsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/appleswimsuit.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5391/favre2speaks30608308an0.jpg

[bronco militia]

ha ha

[DomCasual]

Okay, now we're on to something interesting.

Look at THESE pictures - all together.

Methinks there's something diabolical happening here. :yep:

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Grey.jpg

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/david_gibbs.jpg

[socalorado]

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/5391/favre2speaks30608308an0.jpg

post of the day! Right there!

Damn, that is one freaky looking dude! :thumbs:
Is he the alien you nutjobs keep reffering to?

[bronco militia]

Okay, now we're on to something interesting.

Look at THESE pictures - all together.

Methinks there's something diabolical happening here. :yep:

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Grey.jpg

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/david_gibbs.jpg

:spit: :notworthy

[Hotrod]

Okay, now we're on to something interesting.

Look at THESE pictures - all together.

Methinks there's something diabolical happening here. :yep:

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Grey.jpg

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media/staff/david_gibbs.jpg

LOL classic

[BigPlayShay]

Okay, now we're on to something interesting.

Look at THESE pictures - all together.

Methinks there's something diabolical happening here. :yep:

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Grey.jpg


but what about...

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/foxworth_domonique_mug_06.jpg

[socalorado]

I feel sam cassell right around the corner

[Rock Chalk]

I liked this tidbit:

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned "we would be been gone by now".


Yeah, really? They travelled trillions of miles in a single lifetime at least and we are "not nearly as sophisticated". No ****. If aliens are here, if they really decided to visit alabama of the galaxy, they are pretty sophisticated. Stupid, but definately sophisticated.

[Rock Chalk]

also found this little tidbit:


Edgar Mitchell has long been interested in esoteric subjects, including paranormal phenomenon. He conducted private ESP experiments with some friends on Earth during his Apollo 14 flight. Later Edgar Mitchell founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences to conduct research into subjects he feels have been neglected by mainstream science, such as human consciousness and psychic phenomenon.


Take from that what you will.

[Hotrod]

also found this little tidbit:



Take from that what you will.


I take from it that dude has a book coming out in the near future.

[DenverBroncosJM]

I liked this tidbit:


Yeah, really? They travelled trillions of miles in a single lifetime at least and we are "not nearly as sophisticated". No ****. If aliens are here, if they really decided to visit alabama of the galaxy, they are pretty sophisticated. Stupid, but definately sophisticated.


Haha I thought the same thing.

[NaptownChief]

The easy route is to chuckle and claim others to be conspiracy theorist. However, there was enough different sources making similar claims during the Roswell incident for me not to think it is highly likely. Combine that with the US Government's scramble to classify and cover-up most of the details only adds to the likelihood.

What I don't completely understand is why the government would be so hell bent on covering it up. It is a matter of thinking that knowledge would cause panic amoung the masses? It is becasue it would rattle peoples religious beliefs and teachings? Assuming there has been cover-up I would be really interested into the thinking behind it.

[DenverBrit]

The easy route is to chuckle and claim others to be conspiracy theorist. However, there was enough different sources making similar claims during the Roswell incident for me not to think it is highly likely. Combine that with the US Government's scramble to classify and cover-up most of the details only adds to the likelihood.

What I don't completely understand is why the government would be so hell bent on covering it up. It is a matter of thinking that knowledge would cause panic amoung the masses? It is becasue it would rattle peoples religious beliefs and teachings? Assuming there has been cover-up I would be really interested into the thinking behind it.

It sure would start a religious debate..........everywhere. :wiggle:

[Rock Chalk]

Nappy, do you know about the radio broadcast of The War of the Worlds?

That's a pretty good indicator of how people will react.

[socalorado]

The easy route is to chuckle and claim others to be conspiracy theorist. However, there was enough different sources making similar claims during the Roswell incident for me not to think it is highly likely. Combine that with the US Government's scramble to classify and cover-up most of the details only adds to the likelihood.

What I don't completely understand is why the government would be so hell bent on covering it up. It is a matter of thinking that knowledge would cause panic amoung the masses? It is becasue it would rattle peoples religious beliefs and teachings? Assuming there has been cover-up I would be really interested into the thinking behind it.

Dude, if aliens could travel the trillion of light years from even the nearest star that could POSSIBLY have life, they would have to be so freaking advanced they wouldnt have to play little human "mind games" or form secret alliances with the bad government humans.
Thats the "human" element humans always try to force into the equation of aliens.
You watched too many "X-Files" episodes.

[alkemical]

Dude, if aliens could travel the trillion of light years from even the nearest star that could POSSIBLY have life, they would have to be so freaking advanced they wouldnt have to play little human "mind games" or form secret alliances with the bad government humans.
Thats the "human" element humans always try to force into the equation of aliens.
You watched too many "X-Files" episodes.

Maybe it's not a "Mind Game". Maybe it's like the movie "they live"

[TheReverend]

It is interesting to see a semi-credible source step forward. Even though the size of the universe actually makes it seem likely, I'm skeptical based solely on the fact that 99% of these fruits and their tales are absurd. I work with a guy that was "abducted by aliens" and believe me... we'd love for him to be taken back.

[NaptownChief]

they wouldnt have to play little human "mind games" or form secret alliances with the bad government humans.
Thats the "human" element humans always try to force into the equation of aliens.



If you don't mind, could you put that in English down at a level somebody as dumb as myself could understand?

What "mind games" are you speaking of and what "human" element are people trying to force into the equation?

[TheReverend]

Maybe it's not a "Mind Game". Maybe it's like the movie "they live"

Summarize film please.

PS. How you holding up?

[orinjkrush]

oh geez. maybe they created us and we're their little farm animals.

throw a little ET DNA at the chimpanzees and watch what develops.

monkeys with nukes.

[DomCasual]

Summarize film please.

PS. How you holding up?

Dude, if you haven't seen They Live - well, you've missed out. Go rent it. You won't be disappointed. Well, maybe you will.

What is Ames "holding up?"

[alkemical]

It is interesting to see a semi-credible source step forward. Even though the size of the universe actually makes it seem likely, I'm skeptical based solely on the fact that 99% of these fruits and their tales are absurd. I work with a guy that was "abducted by aliens" and believe me... we'd love for him to be taken back.

This is where i think a good bit of it - is a hemispheric dominance thing in the brain.

[TheReverend]

Dude, if you haven't seen They Live - well, you've missed out. Go rent it. You won't be disappointed. Well, maybe you will.

What is Ames "holding up?"

I'll go buy it then.

Banks.

[alkemical]

Summarize film please.

PS. How you holding up?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/plotsummary

Nada, a down-on-his-luck construction worker, discovers a pair of special sunglasses. Wearing them, he is able to see the world as it really is: people being bombarded by media and government with messages like "Stay Asleep", "No Imagination", "Submit to Authority". Even scarier is that he is able to see that some usually normal-looking people are in fact ugly aliens in charge of the massive campaign to keep humans subdued.

[TheReverend]

This is where i think a good bit of it - is a hemispheric dominance thing in the brain.

Oh! Well, duh! That makes perfect sense! :spit:

What's a hermaphrodite dominatrix in the brain!?!?!?

[alkemical]

Dude, if you haven't seen They Live - well, you've missed out. Go rent it. You won't be disappointed. Well, maybe you will.

What is Ames "holding up?"

Gravity.

Seriously Rev ~ I endorse it fully!

[Hotrod]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096256/plotsummary

Nada, a down-on-his-luck construction worker, discovers a pair of special sunglasses. Wearing them, he is able to see the world as it really is: people being bombarded by media and government with messages like "Stay Asleep", "No Imagination", "Submit to Authority". Even scarier is that he is able to see that some usually normal-looking people are in fact ugly aliens in charge of the massive campaign to keep humans subdued.

I'd trade those ****ty ass glasses for some with x-ray power.

[alkemical]

Oh! Well, duh! That makes perfect sense! :spit:

What's a hermaphrodite dominatrix in the brain!?!?!?

A spandex mind ****

[Rock Chalk]

They Live = Best Fight Scene Ever

[Beantown Bronco]

I'd trade those ****ty ass glasses for some with x-ray power.

Go work in airport security.

[socalorado]

Maybe it's not a "Mind Game". Maybe it's like the movie "they live"

See, thats what is known as FICTION. OR some people refer to it as "science fiction" (key word there is fiction).

Here let me give you a simple example of the absurdity or the really, really advanced ability of the "alien".

If you could trqvel to the nearest star outside our solar syatem it would be Alpha Centari.
No one on earth knows, but it could harbor life as a guess.
For the sake of the discussion, i will give you FANTASY TECHNOLOGY to explain how far Alpha Centari is.
Lets say you could travel 1 MILLION miles (think DR Evil) in a 24 hour period.
It would take you 70,000 light years to reach Alpha Centari.
Heres the human element:
If aliens were coming from other galaxies, they would be so mother****in technically advanced they would not need to play stupid mother****in mind games and hide behind the clouds and abduct cows and preform weird experiments on THE REV'S coworkers and then replace them twice as ****ed in the head as they already were.

[Hotrod]

See, thats what is known as FICTION. OR some people refer to it as "science fiction" (key word there is fiction).

Here let me give you a simple example of the absurdity or the really, really advanced ability of the "alien".

If you could trqvel to the nearest star outside our solar syatem it would be Alpha Centari.
No one on earth knows, but it could harbor life as a guess.
For the sake of the discussion, i will give you FANTASY TECHNOLOGY to explain how far Alpha Centari is.
Lets say you could travel 1 MILLION miles (think DR Evil) in a 24 hour period.
It would take you 70,000 light years to reach Alpha Centari.

If aliens were coming from other galaxies, they would be so mother****in technically advanced they would not need to play stupid mother****in mind games and hide behind the clouds and abduct cows and preform weird experiments on THE REV'S coworkers and then replace them twice as ****ed in the head as they already were.

We talked about this the other day and your prolly correct. BUT what if they have a sick sense of humor and just enjoy shoving metal rods up other life forms ass's............maybe its a reality television program back on their planet.

[socalorado]

Actually you know what???
I take it all back!
MAybe there are aliens and i am posting to them right now.

They LIVE!!! DAMMIT! THEY LIVE!

[NaptownChief]

If aliens were coming from other galaxies, they would be so mother****in technically advanced they would not need to play stupid mother****in mind games and hide behind the clouds and abduct cows and preform weird experiments on THE REV'S coworkers and then replace them twice as ****ed in the head as they already were.


Who says they would need or want to sneak around playing mind games or work a secret handshake with government officials? In the Roswell alleged story they all ended up dead from a crash.

[broncosteven]

also found this little tidbit:

Edgar Mitchell has long been interested in esoteric subjects, including paranormal phenomenon. He conducted private ESP experiments with some friends on Earth during his Apollo 14 flight. Later Edgar Mitchell founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences to conduct research into subjects he feels have been neglected by mainstream science, such as human consciousness and psychic phenomenon.

Take from that what you will.

Once again Alec hits this on the head.

Mitchell is likely the most unstable astronaut of the Apollo\gemini\mecury era. I think he and Scott Carpenter squeaked by on physical and flight talents.

Mitchell had set up an ESP experiment while on Apollo 14. He set it up with out Nasa's knowledge. After NASA declined to allow him to conduct the experiments in the schedule he arranged with some ESP group to think about certain shapes on cards at rest intervals while he was on the moon's surface while some ESP freaks on Earth turned cards over. They were supposed to match, they didn't.

I thought I had read that he gave up on ESP after that failed.

He was one of the Apollo guys that thought the streaks of light they were seeing was Alien transmissions or something. Buzz also thought at 1st that the streaks of light the astronauts were seeing was related to Alien influence. It is funny because I read in one book that when he told Neil about the streaks of light Neil ignored him, He didn't even respond to him and Buzz finally gave up on Neil he went to Mike Collins who said he saw one or 2 but was not concerned about it.

NASA later found that it was radiation that penetrated their brains and was visible when/if it crossed their retina's. Don't quote me i am going on memory here.

[NaptownChief]

. BUT what if they have a sick sense of humor and just enjoy shoving metal rods up other life forms ass's............maybe its a reality television program back on their planet.




Now that is funny and a reality TV show that I would actually watch.

[TheReverend]

We talked about this the other day and your prolly correct. BUT what if they have a sick sense of humor and just enjoy shoving metal rods up other life forms ass's............maybe its a reality television program back on their planet.

"Sick" sense of humor, or plain "hilarious" sense of humor?

[socalorado]

Now that is funny and a reality TV show that I would actually watch.

Wasnt there a South Park episode with this premise?

[Hotrod]

In a booming voice

"On this weeks edition of anal prob we get some amazing facial reactions from a group of sub-life forms known as humans"

[broncosteven]

BTW Charlie Duke felt that he had touched the face of God while on the Moon during Apollo 16. He had a "contact high" religious experience on the Moon and on the way back. I think he accepted Jesus after he got back to earth and his wife did a few years later.

His book was one of the more personal Astronaut books and a good read.

[alkemical]

See, thats what is known as FICTION. OR some people refer to it as "science fiction" (key word there is fiction).

Here let me give you a simple example of the absurdity or the really, really advanced ability of the "alien".

If you could trqvel to the nearest star outside our solar syatem it would be Alpha Centari.
No one on earth knows, but it could harbor life as a guess.
For the sake of the discussion, i will give you FANTASY TECHNOLOGY to explain how far Alpha Centari is.
Lets say you could travel 1 MILLION miles (think DR Evil) in a 24 hour period.
It would take you 70,000 light years to reach Alpha Centari.
Heres the human element:
If aliens were coming from other galaxies, they would be so mother****in technically advanced they would not need to play stupid mother****in mind games and hide behind the clouds and abduct cows and preform weird experiments on THE REV'S coworkers and then replace them twice as ****ed in the head as they already were.


Of course that's what they told you to believe so you wouldn't be onto their game. ;)

Really, you only see about 20% of what you "think" you see. The brain's construction of what is your perceived reality is amazing. Precognition, tracking, etc - it's an amazing piece of hardware - but really - scientists are starting to understand that you don't see nearly as much as you see.

It would be possible to put people "under a spell" so to speak. Maybe simple things like Fluoride in the water supply could be a catalyst ;) -

Of course, alls you'd need is to institute some systems of control (competing reality grids) - to keep people focused on the "drama" going on around them - and not really beyond the stage.

[Houshyamama]

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is "not nearly as sophisticated" as theirs.

...aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'


http://i38.tinypic.com/30icbhy.jpg

[socalorado]

Of course that's what they told you to believe so you wouldn't be onto their game.
Exactly! They just stopped by and re-explained it to me in a

very.........................



very....................................



non threatening.......
.....................




way...............


http://deliciousghost.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/men_in_black.jpg

[Phantom]

So why do aliens need colorful lights on the outside of their ships? Are there traffic jams in other galaxies? Or maybe to swerve and avoid the space deer in the road.

[Hotrod]

So why do aliens need colorful lights on the outside of their ships? Are there traffic jams in other galaxies? Or maybe to swerve and avoid the space deer in the road.

Thats like asking why does Hotrod need lots of chrome and custom wheels on his truck...............duh cuz hes a bad ass and has and image to uphold..

[socalorado]

Thats like asking why does Hotrod need lots of chrome and custom wheels on his truck...............duh cuz hes a bad ass and has and image to uphold..

If your gonna brag, post a pic, duh!

[alkemical]

So why do aliens need colorful lights on the outside of their ships? Are there traffic jams in other galaxies? Or maybe to swerve and avoid the space deer in the road.

Who do you think is pushing the Rave culture???? Think about THAT.

[alkemical]

Exactly! They just stopped by and re-explained it to me in a

very.........................



very....................................



non threatening.......
.....................




way...............


http://deliciousghost.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/men_in_black.jpg

Funny stuff -

However - seriously check out what i'm saying about the brain rendering what you see - it's very interesting:

Of course that's what they told you to believe so you wouldn't be onto their game. ;)

Really, you only see about 20% of what you "think" you see. The brain's construction of what is your perceived reality is amazing. Precognition, tracking, etc - it's an amazing piece of hardware - but really - scientists are starting to understand that you don't see nearly as much as you see.

It would be possible to put people "under a spell" so to speak. Maybe simple things like Fluoride in the water supply could be a catalyst ;) -

Of course, alls you'd need is to institute some systems of control (competing reality grids) - to keep people focused on the "drama" going on around them - and not really beyond the stage.


See if your library has the volume 18, number 2 2008 edition of Scientific American Reports - it's a special edition on perception using illusions. Then if you want more to understand where i'm coming from - I can give you some cool **** to read on linguistic control mechanisms/social engineering, etc. Some of it is really cool **** to read.

[bronco militia]

Who do you think is pushing the Rave culture???? Think about THAT.

you're probably right...no one in their right mind would go to those voluntarily

Ha!

[socalorado]

Funny stuff -

However - seriously check out what i'm saying about the brain rendering what you see - it's very interesting:

OK.....

So what are you sayin?

[Hotrod]

If your gonna brag, post a pic, duh!

Well ok I just figured everyone knew what chrome looked like

http://www.9jcg.com/tutorials/mario_malagrino/chrome_material/chrome_material_01_large.jpg

[alkemical]

OK.....

So what are you sayin?

Think about it. You only really see 20% of what you "think" you see. The other 80% is constructed by your brain.

I used the movie "they live" as a funny way to get my point across. But the mechanisms of control outlined in the movie - COULD work. Not to mention, once you get so much instituted into a culture (competing reality grid), it self perpetuates - where "tradition" (Ie, programming) is passed on in the family unit and society of that culture.

SO, IF there were aliens and they sorta had us "spellbound"/"sleepwalking" - would we EVEN really know? Since all your input that you "sense" is a chemical reaction in the brain, it is possible that "wonderland" ideas aren't so far fetched. Not to mention you'd be conditioned to accept what is outlined as "normal" and "real".

You control words, you control what people think.. You control what they think...you control what they see.

From my post above:

"See if your library has the volume 18, number 2 2008 edition of Scientific American Reports - it's a special edition on perception using illusions. Then if you want more to understand where i'm coming from - I can give you some cool **** to read on linguistic control mechanisms/social engineering, etc. Some of it is really cool **** to read."

[alkemical]

you're probably right...no one in their right mind would go to those voluntarily

Ha!

I did...wait....maybe i'm giving too much of myself away here :wave:

[bronco militia]

I did...wait....maybe i'm giving too much of myself away here :wave:

you're safe if it was for the chicks and/or drugs

[Kaylore]

The old "how do you know we're not all being brainwashed right now?" argument. Someone once asked me how I knew everyone around me wasn't an illusion and that it wasn't all my head - like a comma or Star Trek holodeck. I don't know that. There "could be" and infinite number of realities that are being obscured from me. But thinking about that is just mental masturbation. You can only deal with the reality you're given. I choose to believe my life experiences are reality.

[Hotrod]

The old "how do you know we're not all being brainwashed right now?" argument. Someone once asked me how I knew everyone around me wasn't an illusion and that it wasn't all my head - like a comma or Star Trek holodeck. I don't know that. There "could be" and infinite number of realities that are being obscured from me. But thinking about that is just mental masturbation. You can only deal with the reality you're given. I choose to believe my life experiences are reality.

That simply cant be all that rewarding.

[alkemical]

The old "how do you know we're not all being brainwashed right now?" argument. Someone once asked me how I knew everyone around me wasn't an illusion and that it wasn't all my head - like a comma or Star Trek holodeck. I don't know that. There "could be" and infinite number of realities that are being obscured from me. But thinking about that is just mental masturbation. You can only deal with the reality you're given. I choose to believe my life experiences are reality.

This is the key:

Does it matter if it's "real" or "real enough".

I live in several realities. :)

[socalorado]

The old "how do you know we're not all being brainwashed right now?" argument. Someone once asked me how I knew everyone around me wasn't an illusion and that it wasn't all my head - like a comma or Star Trek holodeck. I don't know that. There "could be" and infinite number of realities that are being obscured from me. But thinking about that is just mental masturbation. You can only deal with the reality you're given. I choose to believe my life experiences are reality.
We have found you MR.ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.geektimes.com/michael/site/archive/2003/05/images/evil-agent-smith.jpg

[alkemical]

you're safe if it was for the chicks and/or drugs

http://www.the-artfile.com/gallery/artists/giger/alien6.jpg

(Good he doesn't suspect anything!)

[BroncsRule]

That simply cant be all that rewarding.

If you think that, you're not doing it right.

[alkemical]

If you think that, you're not doing it right.

I agree....

[Florida_Bronco]

http://www.boudillion.com/lam/Lam.jpg

http://orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=19550&stc=1&d=1182238322

[Rock Chalk]

Alpha Centauri is a trinary star system and very very very unlikely to harbor any life outside of a remote possibility of microbial life.

Alpha Centauri is 4.2 light years away (roughly). At 1 million miles per day, it would take you 63 THOUSAND days (approx) to travel one light year. Doing the math on that it would take you 742.2 years to reach the NEAREST star which, as I stated, is very unlikely to harbor life much less intelligent life.

Why no life? Trinary star sytems are complex and any planets within them would not have stable environments in order for complex life to evolve.

Now, taking the nearest average dozen stars the distance between them is roughly twice that of Alpha Centauri and Sol (our sun). The 12 closest stars have an average distance of 8 light years apart. Or 63 TRILLION miles * 8.

Using current propulsion methods, there is not enough matter in the UNIVERSE to even reach the NEAREST star. That is to say, if we could somehow harness all the hydrogen and oxygen (the two gases we use for propulsion in space) in the whole of the universe, AND convert every heavier element and mid range element into those two elements, we could not get there. Ever.

So, the advances of an alien civilization that may have visited this remote, very sparsely populated, very resource "dry" area of the galaxy are extremely remote. But let's assume, for arguments sake, that they have some how managed to subvert all our known laws of physics and were able to travel by some method, faster than light speed.

If we could travel AT light speed, it would take us 4.2 years to reach our nearest neighbor. Even doubling that would take us 2.1 years. Quadruple-ing that would still take just over a year. That's just our nearest neighbor. In order to travel across the galaxy, one would need to go orders of magnitude faster than light or, by some means (worm holes, quantum tunneling, warping of space, space folding) shorten the distance between the stars.

To put this in perspective: Of the four ideas I mentioned, we are minimum 1,000 years away from being able to do that if any of them are even possible. Which means any alien species that MAY have traveled here, will be at MINIMUM 1,000 years more advanced than us.

Now, look back 1,000 years in human civilization and see where we were then and where we are now. That's how big the gap would be.

Mind games are just not an option. Fermi's paradox asks a great question: If alien life exists elsewhere, where are they? That is, given the scale of the galaxy and universe itself, and the time it has existed, and the possibility of life being able to travel faster than light, long long ago we should have picked up signals, or been directly visited by such aliens.

I think the answer to Fermi's paradox is simple: It is not possible to subvert the speed of light by any means. We are stuck on this rock, in this system, forever. God's way of saying "Hey, I built this great universe and populated it but everyone has their own section and no one gets to visit another, that's only for the after life". A big **** you to all the atheists out there.

[Gcver2ver3]

so what are you saying ?

man i don't even know...

[Kaylore]

We have found you MR.ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.geektimes.com/michael/site/archive/2003/05/images/evil-agent-smith.jpg

I reject your reality and substitute my own

http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/images/elrond/Elrond_3.jpg

[ksBRONCOfan]

But let's assume, for arguments sake, that they have some how managed to subvert all our known laws of physics and were able to travel by some method, faster than light speed.

http://static1.videosift.com/thumbs/s/pa/Spaceballs_Ludicrous_speed_GO.jpg[

http://www.psychonoble.com/archives/reviews/media/plaid2.jpg

[Hotwheelz]

A big **** you to all the atheists out there.

Wait, what?

[Atlas]

Dude, if aliens could travel the trillion of light years from even the nearest star that could POSSIBLY have life, they would have to be so freaking advanced they wouldnt have to play little human "mind games" or form secret alliances with the bad government humans.
Thats the "human" element humans always try to force into the equation of aliens.
You watched too many "X-Files" episodes.

Not really. The odds of any life form actually traveling trillions of miles like in a space shuttle type craft is remote. I would think that we are visted by aliens that are able to travel through worm holes. They can rip the fabric of time and just travel right through it.

[bowtown]

A big **** you to all the atheists out there.

Yeah because the atheists are the ones you have to worry about ****ing with another group of beings and their way of life. :unamused:

[Spider]

I read this entire thread , and despite what people say ....... I still believe Anal probes to be real

[Hotrod]

Alpha Centauri is a trinary star system and very very very unlikely to harbor any life outside of a remote possibility of microbial life.

Alpha Centauri is 4.2 light years away (roughly). At 1 million miles per day, it would take you 63 THOUSAND days (approx) to travel one light year. Doing the math on that it would take you 742.2 years to reach the NEAREST star which, as I stated, is very unlikely to harbor life much less intelligent life.

Why no life? Trinary star sytems are complex and any planets within them would not have stable environments in order for complex life to evolve.

Now, taking the nearest average dozen stars the distance between them is roughly twice that of Alpha Centauri and Sol (our sun). The 12 closest stars have an average distance of 8 light years apart. Or 63 TRILLION miles * 8.

Using current propulsion methods, there is not enough matter in the UNIVERSE to even reach the NEAREST star. That is to say, if we could somehow harness all the hydrogen and oxygen (the two gases we use for propulsion in space) in the whole of the universe, AND convert every heavier element and mid range element into those two elements, we could not get there. Ever.

So, the advances of an alien civilization that may have visited this remote, very sparsely populated, very resource "dry" area of the galaxy are extremely remote. But let's assume, for arguments sake, that they have some how managed to subvert all our known laws of physics and were able to travel by some method, faster than light speed.

If we could travel AT light speed, it would take us 4.2 years to reach our nearest neighbor. Even doubling that would take us 2.1 years. Quadruple-ing that would still take just over a year. That's just our nearest neighbor. In order to travel across the galaxy, one would need to go orders of magnitude faster than light or, by some means (worm holes, quantum tunneling, warping of space, space folding) shorten the distance between the stars.

To put this in perspective: Of the four ideas I mentioned, we are minimum 1,000 years away from being able to do that if any of them are even possible. Which means any alien species that MAY have traveled here, will be at MINIMUM 1,000 years more advanced than us.

Now, look back 1,000 years in human civilization and see where we were then and where we are now. That's how big the gap would be.

Mind games are just not an option. Fermi's paradox asks a great question: If alien life exists elsewhere, where are they? That is, given the scale of the galaxy and universe itself, and the time it has existed, and the possibility of life being able to travel faster than light, long long ago we should have picked up signals, or been directly visited by such aliens.

I think the answer to Fermi's paradox is simple: It is not possible to subvert the speed of light by any means. We are stuck on this rock, in this system, forever. God's way of saying "Hey, I built this great universe and populated it but everyone has their own section and no one gets to visit another, that's only for the after life". A big **** you to all the atheists out there.

Well atleast the last part was easy to understand Ha!

[watermock]

oh geez. maybe they created us and we're their little farm animals.

throw a little ET DNA at the chimpanzees and watch what develops.

monkeys with nukes.

Unfortunately, that's about it.

They can disable our nukes. allredy happened.

[broncosteven]

Alpha Centauri is a trinary star system and very very very unlikely to harbor any life outside of a remote possibility of microbial life.

Alpha Centauri is 4.2 light years away (roughly). At 1 million miles per day, it would take you 63 THOUSAND days (approx) to travel one light year. Doing the math on that it would take you 742.2 years to reach the NEAREST star which, as I stated, is very unlikely to harbor life much less intelligent life.

Why no life? Trinary star sytems are complex and any planets within them would not have stable environments in order for complex life to evolve.

Now, taking the nearest average dozen stars the distance between them is roughly twice that of Alpha Centauri and Sol (our sun). The 12 closest stars have an average distance of 8 light years apart. Or 63 TRILLION miles * 8.

Using current propulsion methods, there is not enough matter in the UNIVERSE to even reach the NEAREST star. That is to say, if we could somehow harness all the hydrogen and oxygen (the two gases we use for propulsion in space) in the whole of the universe, AND convert every heavier element and mid range element into those two elements, we could not get there. Ever.

So, the advances of an alien civilization that may have visited this remote, very sparsely populated, very resource "dry" area of the galaxy are extremely remote. But let's assume, for arguments sake, that they have some how managed to subvert all our known laws of physics and were able to travel by some method, faster than light speed.

If we could travel AT light speed, it would take us 4.2 years to reach our nearest neighbor. Even doubling that would take us 2.1 years. Quadruple-ing that would still take just over a year. That's just our nearest neighbor. In order to travel across the galaxy, one would need to go orders of magnitude faster than light or, by some means (worm holes, quantum tunneling, warping of space, space folding) shorten the distance between the stars.

To put this in perspective: Of the four ideas I mentioned, we are minimum 1,000 years away from being able to do that if any of them are even possible. Which means any alien species that MAY have traveled here, will be at MINIMUM 1,000 years more advanced than us.

Now, look back 1,000 years in human civilization and see where we were then and where we are now. That's how big the gap would be.

Mind games are just not an option. Fermi's paradox asks a great question: If alien life exists elsewhere, where are they? That is, given the scale of the galaxy and universe itself, and the time it has existed, and the possibility of life being able to travel faster than light, long long ago we should have picked up signals, or been directly visited by such aliens.

I think the answer to Fermi's paradox is simple: It is not possible to subvert the speed of light by any means. We are stuck on this rock, in this system, forever. God's way of saying "Hey, I built this great universe and populated it but everyone has their own section and no one gets to visit another, that's only for the after life". A big **** you to all the atheists out there.

Aren't the new "String Theory" guys essentially abandoning the expoloration of our galaxy and Universe and instead trying to theorize how to slip into another parallel universe along the lines that Ames is going?

I think man needs to research/travel as far as the moons of Jupiter just so we can rob resources, I don't see us getting to another star system for enons if ever.

Just a few years ago the Voyager crafts slipped out of the reach of the suns influence after a 30+ year journey...

[bronco610]

None of this will be proven in my life time probably, so, who cares?

[TDmvp]

:tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha :tinfoilha

[cutthemdown]

Take Me To Your Leader>>>>>>

[cutthemdown]

Aliens do visit earth because there fuel is made from cow guts. The only reason cattle became the main food source of the world is because they said if we didn't they would convert there engines to run on Bio-Human instead.

For some reason Bison clogged the injectors.

[maher_tyler]

I'm 100% sure aliens are fake...no way there are other living beings out there..i mean, the whole universe is lifeless completely..we're clearly the only intelligent beings..this guy is dilusional and is totally making this up cause thats what people that ago do..tell bogus stories for attention...what an idiot!!

[Bronx33]

I'm 100% sure aliens are fake...no way there are other living beings out there..i mean, the whole universe is lifeless completely..we're clearly the only intelligent beings..this guy is dilusional and is totally making this up cause thats what people that ago do..tell bogus stories for attention...what an idiot!!


The universe is pretty freaking big but as long as you're 100% sure.

[OABB]

Maybe it's not a "Mind Game". Maybe it's like the movie "they live"

"I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble gum."

actually, that movie was really about reaganomics....but I degress.

If things were really like that it would explain alot about these last seven years...

[watermock]

I think man needs to research/travel as far as the moons of Jupiter just so we can rob resources, I don't see us getting to another star system for enons if ever.


Boy, there must of been alot of dino crap on Titan to make those hydrocarbon oceans. Also, deep drilling off brazil is showing unlimited reserves. It is turning out we have plenty of oil, the shortage is created by the enemy...also, we cant use hydrocarbons much longer anyway, it's poisioning the planet.

We have to convert to solar/wind/fission till we can master fusion.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think the answer to Fermi's paradox is simple: It is not possible to subvert the speed of light by any means. We are stuck on this rock, in this system, forever. God's way of saying "Hey, I built this great universe and populated it but everyone has their own section and no one gets to visit another, that's only for the after life". A big **** you to all the atheists out there.Talk about some backward, medieval, archaic thinking. Is your Earth still flat too?

[NYBronco]

Life outside our earth is much easier for me to believe, in comparison to a/or God(s).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Life outside our earth is much easier for me to believe, in comparison to a/or God(s).I have no doubt there are some football gods out there and somehow we have pissed them off.

[maher_tyler]

The universe is pretty freaking big but as long as you're 100% sure.

I've seen the whole thing...black holes are a bitch to get out of let me tell ya

[Taco John]

A big **** you to all the atheists out there.


http://sadoldgoth.blogspot.com/cosmicbird.jpg

[Requiem]

No doubt aliens exist. :)

[Florida_Bronco]

I have no doubt there are some football gods out there and somehow we have pissed them off.

Why do you think that? We have been pretty well off lately, unlike the Chiefs, Raiders, Falcons...etc.

[Taco John]

Alec, there's a hole in your logic. You're forgetting about these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d2/Zeropointmodule.jpg/180px-Zeropointmodule.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Why do you think that? We have been pretty well off lately, unlike the Chiefs, Raiders, Falcons...etc.Signing all these douchebags plus Griese, Plummer, bad drafts, Cleveland retreads, etc... But yeah, it could be worse I guess, but after winning Superbowls, every year kinda feels like a failure.

[Florida_Bronco]

Signing all these douchebags plus Griese, Plummer, bad drafts, Cleveland retreads, etc... But yeah, it could be worse I guess.

Of course. Anytime I feel upset about the Broncos I just look at the Chiefs and Raiders and I suddenly feel better. :giggle:

[Taco John]

Here is the interview:

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[CHANGSTER]

Maybe it's not a "Mind Game". Maybe it's like the movie "they live"


I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.

[socalorado]

I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.


http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/They%20Live%20pic%202.jpg

[socalorado]

http://thisdistractedglobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/They%20Live%20pic%203.jpg

[alkemical]

"I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubble gum."

actually, that movie was really about reaganomics....but I degress.

If things were really like that it would explain alot about these last seven years...

Oh i know what the movie was about - but the "mechanisms" used in the movie - i could argue in some way could be accomplished. I mean the brain is a reality creating engine....

[alkemical]

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[watermock]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ed8_1182675172

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1bf_1182674119

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aca_1190538729

[watermock]

http://cdn.liveleak.com/2/xyz34/2006/Nov/7/LiveLeak-dot-com-11556-Hitler_With_Alien_Ufo_Vril_Haunebu_Ww2_Nazi.jpg

[Taco John]

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I remember seeing that show when I was a kid. Been a long time...

[Hogan11]

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/foxworth_domonique_mug_06.jpg

..and people wondered why I called him "Lightbulb head"