Mike Bell Cut Today

[theAPAOps5]

Just got the text from cbs4

[Traveler]

Now there's a shocker! About a season to late. Now the team should retire TD's #30.

Wonder if Dnever is still his favorite team after such a dramatic fall?

[socalorado]

Just got the text from cbs4

No suprise.
His name is Torain. Get used to it.

Hey fellas, so who do you think is the next to be cut?

[theAPAOps5]

Its says he expects to be cut Monday. Which I take to mean today. I agree its time to retire old number 30

[theAPAOps5]

No suprise.
His name is Torain. Get used to it.

Hey fellas, so who do you think is the next to be cut?

Man you are really high on this guy. I hope he pans out. Watched him against CU and he was impressive.

[SoDak Bronco]

Sammie Parker is next

[SoDak Bronco]

I wonder if this means we are bringing in Weasley for a look?

[NaptownChief]

The legend that is Mike Bell? Say it isn't so.

[socalorado]

Sammie Parker is next

Thats a good bet right there.

[theAPAOps5]

The legend that is Mike Bell? Say it isn't so.

I know I remember just yesterday when he was Barry Sanders in camp. My how they mighty have fallen!

[Traveler]

Sammie Parker is next

Nah. Brett Pierce is next. Then they can also retire Shannon's #84.

[Kaylore]

The difference between this board and Broncomania is that on Broncomania there were several people predicting Bell would turn things around and be the starter and over here we knew his getting cut was inevitable.

[Hotrod]

First the claw, then Hixon and now Bell.

Mansion-a-han needs to go

[bronco militia]

First the claw, then Hixon and now Bell.

Mansion-a-han needs to go

LOL

[NaptownChief]

I know I remember just yesterday when he was Barry Sanders in camp. My how they mighty have fallen!


Yep...Every team has the occassional player that shows a little bit and the fan base wants to believe that got the next great find but you would think that Bronco fans of all people wouldn't be fooled by no name RB's after all these years.

[bronco militia]

:welcome:

[Jens1893]

Yep...Every team has the occassional player that shows a little bit and the fan base wants to believe that got the next great find but you would think that Bronco fans of all people wouldn't be fooled by no name RB's after all these years.

Mike Bell being a Broncos fan probably is the main reason why some people predicted him to be our starter .... would´ve been a really nice story, but he just can´t get it done.

[DomCasual]

I know I remember just yesterday when he was Barry Sanders in camp. My how they mighty have fallen!

I thought that was Quentin Griffith. ???

[Atlas]

To me this is strange. Not really that he got cut but just his whole saga. He had a great rookie year ran for 175 yards against Indi. He averaged 4.3 YPC and then the next year he never got a shot. He doesn't seem to be lazy. It seems to be a very strange fall from grace that no one really knows why.

[bowtown]

Yep...Every team has the occassional player that shows a little bit and the fan base wants to believe that got the next great find but you would think that Bronco fans of all people wouldn't be fooled by no name RB's after all these years.

Once again, your post makes absolutely no sense. It's the opposite... Broncos fans of all people SHOULD be fooled by no name running backs, since they consitently get 1200 here. It's teams like the Browns, Lions and Chiefs who then go out and trade for or sign our no name running backs that should know better than to be fooled again.

[CHANGSTER]

First the claw, then Hixon and now Bell!!#!%!

Mansion-a-han needs to go!!%&!!!

:rofl: Little tweak

[kupesdad]

Its says he expects to be cut Monday. Which I take to mean today. I agree its time to retire old number 30

He was released today..It's too bad because he is a really good kid. There has been 5 teams that have expressed interest.

[Jens1893]

To me this is strange. Not really that he got cut but just his whole saga. He had a great rookie year ran for 175 yards against Indi. He averaged 4.3 YPC and then the next year he never got a shot. He doesn't seem to be lazy. It seems to be a very strange fall from grace that no one really knows why.

I could have seen him as a short yardage specialist as he did have some nice TD runs in 06, but not as a full time RB. I am not sold on Selvin Young being a full time guy, either ... but he will at worst be a very decent 3rd down back like Kevin Faulk.

[Man-Goblin]

Mike Bell will have a job this year, somewhere. This is good for him if only to end that silly fullback experiment.

[ludo21]

Hillis moving up the depth chart...

I still think Young will be the Day 1 Starter, but Torrain will probably split carries with him.

[Jetmeck]

To me this is strange. Not really that he got cut but just his whole saga. He had a great rookie year ran for 175 yards against Indi. He averaged 4.3 YPC and then the next year he never got a shot. He doesn't seem to be lazy. It seems to be a very strange fall from grace that no one really knows why.

EXACTLY

[telluride]

Let's all take a moment and thank Mr. Bell. He had some good games, was a solid citizen, revered the Broncos and TD, and all-in-all was an asset to the team. (I'll ignore the several ill-timed fumbles.) So, God Speed, Mike!

Now then. Couldn't we have gotten something for him? A conditional late rounder, at least? He'll be on another team by mid-week.

[sixtimeseight]

The 17th "Next Terrell Davis" (according to this board) got cut. What a surprise. The 18th "Next Terrell Davis" to get cut will be Selvin Young.

[dbfan21]

To me this is strange. Not really that he got cut but just his whole saga. He had a great rookie year ran for 175 yards against Indi. He averaged 4.3 YPC and then the next year he never got a shot. He doesn't seem to be lazy. It seems to be a very strange fall from grace that no one really knows why.

I think Shanny pulled the trigger b/c of Bell's tendency to be hot and cold. When he was hot (i.e. Indy), he was great. But when he was cold (i.e. fumbled the football), Shanahan wasn't sure which Bell was going to show up. With the depth we have at RB/FB this year, Bell was the inevitable casualty. Hopefully, he will get a shot to play somewhere else (outside of the AFCW).

Thanks, Mikey!!!

[Orange_Beard]

Yep...Every team has the occassional player that shows a little bit and the fan base wants to believe that got the next great find but you would think that Bronco fans of all people wouldn't be fooled by no name RB's after all these years.

Is that LJ you speak of?

[Dendave]

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/bell.broncos.mike.2.776033.html
DENVER (CBS4) ― Broncos running back Mike Bell told CBS4 Broncos Insider Gary Miller he was expecting to be cut from the team Monday and the Broncos made it official Monday afternoon.

Bell went to a scheduled meeting with Jim Goodman, Director of Player Personnel, Monday afternoon, Miller reported.

Bell left the meeting but didn't talk to reporters.

Goodman returned a call to Miller confirming Bell was cut.

[Cito Pelon]

:rofl: Little tweak

Another Cyber-Sister chimes in. Isn't that cute.

[rugbythug]

This looks to me like a favor for Bell. He saw that he had a sub 20% chance to make the team. Asked if he could be cut now so he had a better chance at sticking on his next team and was granted his release.

[broncofan7]

totally irrelevant post here on my behalf, but when I cut M Bell in madden (:>) after drafting a RB in my franchise mode, he was signed by AZ and did very well. book it! ;)

[labronx]

I know I remember just yesterday when he was Barry Sanders in camp. My how they mighty have fallen!

Its all Kaylores fault.

[Greybeard]

First the claw, then Hixon and now Bell.

Mansion-a-han needs to go

I understand your comment about Watts. But Hixon was a 4th rounder and Bell was a UFA. I don't know how you would hold the latter two against Shanahan.
Most UFAs end up gettting pink slips anyway, and 4th rounders are "maybe's."
Besides, it isn't as if Hixon just busted out of football. He's wearing a ring now.

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[elsid13]

He was released today..It's too bad because he is a really good kid. There has been 5 teams that have expressed interest.

This sucks because I do think he has strong chance to start in this league and be productive. Hopefully he moves to team that will that run ZBS that plays to his strength.

[bronco militia]

ummmmmmmmmm........if you're not good enough to play RB in Denver, you're probably not good enough to make it in this league

[bowtown]

I hope Mike Bell likes the weather in Houston.

[BigPlayShay]

Chicago game last year: 1 carry, 0 yards, 1 Fumble.

I think that about sealed the deal.

[Kaylore]

My feelings on Mike Bell are that he's an over-achiever that loves the Broncos. People love stories like that. A kid gets to play on the team that he rooted for growing up and even score some TD's. Unfortunately he doesn't play special teams and isn't very athletic. Those are two things Shanahan hates. I think he probably resented being moved to fullback, but if Mike Anderson did it then why couldn't Mike Bell?

My feeling is he got in the dog house and never got out as better players came in. He's just not as gifted and you need to do more things well than just run if you aren't as gifted as the others. Thanks for the memories, Mike. Good luck to you.

[DukeWoody]

I just hope mr.Bell teaches a few players that fantastic little shimmy\shiver move he does in celebration after picking up a few yards...if he leaves without doing so, i'll be so SEVERLY DISAPOINTED and never forgive him..

[Hotrod]

I understand your comment about Watts. But Hixon was a 4th rounder and Bell was a UFA. I don't know how you would hold the latter two against Shanahan.
Most UFAs end up gettting pink slips anyway, and 4th rounders are "maybe's."
Besides, it isn't as if Hixon just busted out of football. He's wearing a ring now.

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All wasted moves/draft picks/roster spaces etc. I wonder how Bowlin feels about Bust-o-han wasting some more of his $. Failed experiament after experiament. I guess we now know exactly who won those SB's dont we. Shanny owe half his paycheck to John Elway and 99% of his rep.

[Greybeard]

My feelings on Mike Bell are that he's an over-achiever that loves the Broncos. People love stories like that. A kid gets to play on the team that he rooted for growing up and even score some TD's. Unfortunately he doesn't play special teams and isn't very athletic. Those are two things Shanahan hates. I think he probably resented being moved to fullback, but if Mike Anderson did it then why couldn't Mike Bell?

My feeling is he got in the dog house and never got out as better players came in. He's just not as gifted and you need to do more things well than just run if you aren't as gifted as the others. Thanks for the memories, Mike. Good luck to you.

Best post of the thread, so far, IMO. In my four years of following Bell here in
Tucson at the UA, this is really what I saw in him.

When he first joined the Broncos as a UFA, a thread appeared over on Mania,
inquiring as to what kind of RB he was. I responded at that time that he
wasn't even the best RB on his team, that Chris Henry was. But Mike was a
better kid, in terms of character.

It really breaks my heart to see him get cut. But in this business, you can't
go by your heart; you need to go by your head. From the standpoint of pure
talent, I couldn't see his beating out Young, Hall, or Torain, and the arrival of
Hillis drove the final nail, IMO.

Good luck, Mike. I'll be a fan of yours wherever you go . . .

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[PLOWHORSE]

He'd be fine if he signed on here in AZ. The Cards need some good depth at RB. I'm no Cards fan per se, but he did go to UofA.

[BroncoBuff]

That fumble against the Bears was deadly ... just when he was poking his nose outta the doghouse, too.


BTW - Gerrett Hartley, rookie PK from Oklahoma, was also cut.

Prater is the only PK left ... maybe watching the 'spot' instead of Leach's rear end has helped after all Uhh

[Inkana7]

Hartley was cut? Wow.

[Greybeard]

All wasted moves/draft picks/roster spaces etc. I wonder how Bowlin feels about Bust-o-han wasting some more of his $. Failed experiament after experiament. I guess we now know exactly who won those SB's dont we. Shanny owe half his paycheck to John Elway and 99% of his rep.

Damn, I think I just repped you accidentally for this post. Oh well, you have
come up with a lot of good ones, despite this one. ;D So I will attribute it to
one of those.

Meanwhile, I don't understand how you can refer to FAs as "wasted moves,"
but oh well . . . ???

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[Greybeard]

He'd be fine if he signed on here in AZ. The Cards need some good depth at RB. I'm no Cards fan per se, but he did go to UofA.

You're not one of the Cardinals' five fans here in Tucson?

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[PLOWHORSE]

You're not one of the Cardinals' five fans here in Tucson?

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Nope...not even a Cardinals fan at all. Broncos born & bred!

[Hotrod]

Damn, I think I just repped you accidentally for this post. Oh well, you have
come up with a lot of good ones, despite this one. ;D So I will attribute it to
one of those.

Meanwhile, I don't understand how you can refer to FAs as "wasted moves,"
but oh well . . . ???

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You mean the FA's that cost Mr. Bowlin $. The FA's that suck up valueable roster spots. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want but its another in along line of Shan-a-bluders mistakes.

[elsid13]

You mean the FA's that cost Mr. Bowlin $. The FA's that suck up valueable roster spots. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want but its another in along line of Shan-a-bluders mistakes.

That it, we're buying you a hooker. The lack of sex has made you think like Bobo the Retard Master

[Hotrod]

That it, we're buying you a hooker. The lack of sex has made you think like Bobo the Retard Master

I know this offseason needs to end already. I'm dying for some football news other then fluff pieces about our coaching staff etc....

Can we just play ball already ???

I think I'll go back to serious Hotrod now. My psychiatrist seems to prefer him anyway...

[Greybeard]

You mean the FA's that cost Mr. Bowlin $. The FA's that suck up valueable roster spots. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want but its another in along line of Shan-a-bluders mistakes.

Dedicated to Shanahan:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Goofies/Lipstick-on-a-Pig-37282.jpg

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[watermock]

Blame Henry's and Walker's conduct if anything, the rest are gnats financially.

[eddie mac]

You mean the FA's that cost Mr. Bowlin $. The FA's that suck up valueable roster spots. You can put lipstick on this pig all you want but its another in along line of Shan-a-bluders mistakes.

You're seriously taking the piss with that post Hotrod. Bell was an undrafted free-agent who cost the Broncos a whopping $25k in guaranteed money and in return gave the Broncos 56pts in the 2006-2007 season.

Sure have a go for the Walker's, Henry's, Rice's etc of this world but Mike Bell's career at Dove Valley was a positive considering he went undrafted and scored 8TD's in a season. It's just a shame he couldn't keep it up or else he'd have been an absolute steal. Post me a list of the UDFA's who've put up those kind of numbers in a year.

[bronco militia]

hotrod is a friggen troll god

[bronco militia]

Dedicated to Shanahan:

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Goofies/Lipstick-on-a-Pig-37282.jpg

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bwahaha

[Paladin]

Mustard will be cut next......

[Jens1893]

Mustard will be cut next......

And resigned shortly before the game against Oakland in Week 1.

[CBF1]

Where is the picture of that Lombardi trophy when you need it :???:

[Jens1893]

Where is the picture of that Lombardi trophy when you need it :???:

Ever heard of Google?

[Paladin]

No. Was he cut?

[elsid13]

No. Was he cut?

Actually just signed to take over Fred spot. Fred got promote to Bronco official liaison with the mane

[CHANGSTER]

Another Cyber-Sister chimes in. Isn't that cute.

I don't get it. It hurts though.

So Hartley too eh. That gives me a bad feeling for some reason. I was at least hoping to see Prater in a couple pre season games before taking away his competition.

[Los Broncos]

Wearing #30 worked out well for him.

[rovolution]

That fumble against the Bears was deadly ... just when he was poking his nose outta the doghouse, too.


Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

That brings back memories of the Chicago game when Diedorf used the telestrator to draw a doghouse around a sulking Mike Bell on the sidelines after he fumbled!!!

[CBF1]

We cut google too :???: Damn it Shanny

[Broncos_OTM]

thanks for the meories mike.. (Indy) good luck where ever you land next

[theAPAOps5]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

That brings back memories of the Chicago game when Diedorf used the telestrator to draw a doghouse around a sulking Mike Bell on the sidelines after he fumbled!!!

That was a page from Madden Telestration 101. Good stuff, too bad for Mike Bell once a pattern of fumbles start you don't recover.

[2KBack]

That was a page from Madden Telestration 101. Good stuff, too bad for Mike Bell once a pattern of fumbles start you don't recover.

uh...Mike Bell has 2 career fumbles. Let's not remake history or anything

[wolf754life]

at least theres a method to the madness, lets give our fg kicker who is 1 for 4 in PRESEASON kicks absolutely ZERO competition!

can you all feel 12 wins! I CAN!

[Kid A]

We're not kicking field goals this season, dammit. With our new and improved o-line we're scoring TDs every drive and going for 2, Madden style.

[~Crash~]

He was released today..It's too bad because he is a really good kid. There has been 5 teams that have expressed interest.

I hope he signs with the Texans !! I think he will get a real shot there..

[theAPAOps5]

uh...Mike Bell has 2 career fumbles. Let's not remake history or anything

Yes but 2 inopportune fumbles is a streak in Shanny's mind. But for some reason I thought it was more. That is only Fumbles lost right? Didn't he fumble a few that they were fortunate to recover?

[Jens1893]

Yes but 2 inopportune fumbles is a streak in Shanny's mind. But for some reason I thought it was more. That is only Fumbles lost right? Didn't he fumble a few that they were fortunate to recover?

You mixing Mike up with Tatum FumBell? :P

Mike only fumbled twice (AZ, CHI), losing one.

[theAPAOps5]

You mixing Mike up with Tatum FumBell? :P

Mike only fumbled twice (AZ, CHI), losing one.

Whoops then I am just being a biased hater. I stand corrected guy thanks for the information.

I will miss the patented Mike Bell leap from the 5yd line for a TD!

[2KBack]

Yes but 2 inopportune fumbles is a streak in Shanny's mind. But for some reason I thought it was more. That is only Fumbles lost right? Didn't he fumble a few that they were fortunate to recover?

nope 2 total fumbles and only 1 lost. The only fumble he lost was that Chicago game, which is kinda bull**** seeing as how he hadn't touched the ball almost all season then was thrown into a rain game. That's why I think there is more to this than what we've seen. M. Bell was very productive as a rookie, just as successful as Young last year. For some reason though Young was promoted after last season, while T. Henry was brought in after Bells.

I'm not arguing that Bell is better than Young or Henry. I just think it's interesting that a guy who for all accounts seems to be a great kid, and was one of the few bright spots on offense in 2006, has gotten rather unceremoniously humiliated and dumped. I mean with all the red zone struggles last year, wasn't it curious that Denver's best goalline back was inactive most of the season?

[theAPAOps5]

Very interesting, he obviously fell out of favor with Shanny or more likely Turner. Didn't he have a bad camp last year. Again my memory has failed me with him but I wonder if Kaylor or Socal had something on it. I will have to go look.

[Jens1893]

I never was too high on Mike Bell as a full time starter, but I thought he could or rather would have a future in Denver as a guy for short yardage and goalline situations.

[BroncoBuff]

nope 2 total fumbles and only 1 lost. The only fumble he lost was that Chicago game, which is kinda bull**** seeing as how he hadn't touched the ball almost all season then was thrown into a rain game. That's why I think there is more to this than what we've seen. M. Bell was very productive as a rookie, just as successful as Young last year. For some reason though Young was promoted after last season, while T. Henry was brought in after Bells.

I'm not arguing that Bell is better than Young or Henry. I just think it's interesting that a guy who for all accounts seems to be a great kid, and was one of the few bright spots on offense in 2006, has gotten rather unceremoniously humiliated and dumped. I mean with all the red zone struggles last year, wasn't it curious that Denver's best goalline back was inactive most of the season?
Interesting angle...

I'm still wondering about how he sulked last pre-season when he was beaten out by Young and Hall, and moved to FB. I recall he asked to be traded in the media, Shanny set him up with a cople deals, then he pulled back and stayed as a FB. Maybe he's not as "nice" a kid as we think.

[elsid13]

Very interesting, he obviously fell out of favor with Shanny or more likely Turner. Didn't he have a bad camp last year. Again my memory has failed me with him but I wonder if Kaylor or Socal had something on it. I will have to go look.

He was running with the second team, until he got hurt. At the point Young took advantage of his opperunity and grab the spot and Bell was moved to FB.

Like I said before I do think Bell would have been very productive back for Denver. I think the thing that hurt him was inconsistency that he show game to game as rookie. Remember the Pittsburgh game when he did nothing and Shanahan deactivated him the next game. IMO that played in the coaches mind last season. Hopefully he will get a job somewhere else and show he skills.

[Killericon]

To me this is strange. Not really that he got cut but just his whole saga. He had a great rookie year ran for 175 yards against Indi. He averaged 4.3 YPC and then the next year he never got a shot. He doesn't seem to be lazy. It seems to be a very strange fall from grace that no one really knows why.

Exactly, and it's almost as baffling why everyone around here seems to be celebrating his release. It's really confusing.

[Greybeard]

No. Was he cut?

LOL

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[Hogan11]

He was a nonentity that hung on much longer than he should've, period.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Mike Bell has limited athletic ability and upside.

Shanny thinks he has seen the best that Mike Bell has to offer and thinks the other backs have higher upside/potential. It's as simple as that.

[Earendil]

The difference between this board and Broncomania is that on Broncomania there were several people predicting Bell would turn things around and be the starter and over here we knew his getting cut was inevitable.
The difference between this board and Broncomania is that this board still exists and that one has turned into the horror that is Broncos Country. Moving on....

Anyone who guaranteed Mike Bell was a HoFer was an idiot. So was anyone who guaranteed this cut (and he could very easily be picked up by someone else, probably will be.) He had a fair amount of native talent and ability, some flaws and rough edges, but real potential. That potential was never realized so now he's gone. He showed a lot of heart against Indy two years ago though; how many 50 yard runs did he have? At the end he was just flat out of gas and we had to kick a FG and give them the ball back but I can't really blame a rookie being a little tired after yet another 50 yard run. Or how about when we were third and long against Cincy two years ago, knowing we had to win out or miss the playoffs? Who ran for a first down that kept us in a game we won and our season going? At least he doesn't put the ball on the ground every 50 carries. On the other hand, one of if not the first fumble ever charged to Cutler was the result of a handoff against Seattle when we were driving; Bell bobbled and dropped it, but the fumble is charged to the QB.

He was no GoAT, but he was no goat either. He couldn't give us what we wanted but he did try and I wish him well in future endeavors.

[minibronco]

Do I have old news, or is Art Carmody still available?

[Kaylore]

Anyone who guaranteed Mike Bell was a HoFer was an idiot. So was anyone who guaranteed this cut
Um, no. How can someone who guaranteed he would get cut be an idiot if they were right? That's pretty idiotic.
He had a fair amount of native talent and ability, some flaws and rough edges, but real potential.
No. He was probably the most limited player on the team in terms of talent and potential.

At least he doesn't put the ball on the ground every 50 carries.
You're right. Last year it only took him one! :rofl:

[Kaylore]

Since we cut Hartley in addition to Bell, that makes me think JMFW is going to be signed soon. ;D

[montrose]

Good luck to Mike, I always liked him. Per the RB position, some seem to be dismissing Andre Hall who played very well in limited action last year, knows the system well and has been constantly praised by Shanahan. Everyone here seems pretty excited about Torain but I still see him beginning the season as the #3, inactive, with Young, Hall, Sapp and Hillis handling the backfield.

[Broncojef]

Exactly, and it's almost as baffling why everyone around here seems to be celebrating his release. It's really confusing.

Mike Bell was like alot of other Broncos we've put up with on this team lately, serviceable non high end talent that will produce average results. We need some play makers, gamebreakers and people with more potential than Mike Bell. Nice kid but he's more of a generic run up the middle and hold onto the football back than a guy with playmaking skills to open up the passing lanes for Jay. I wish him well but addition by subtraction IMO.

[That One Guy]

It's outrageous that the same people who were thoroughly impressed with Bell two years ago are at the forefront of the "he didn't deserve to be here anyways" chatter now. After last year, the writing was on the wall but simply because something must've happened for him to get as little opportunity as he had. That's the only thing that changed from 2 years ago - he wasn't getting the ball anymore. The same guy that showed heart and destroyed Indy is the same no-talent hack that got released today. Everyone was cheering for him and pleased as could be with him then, today he's yesterday's garbage that stayed in the can too long and we couldn't wait to get rid of.

We all saw it coming, nobody here can explain exactly what happened though and to say it's based on skills is absurd. I'd be willing to bet that just about any established poster was caught in the midst of "the next TD" 2 years ago, only those who weren't truly have the right to call him a scrub now. Anything else is disservice to what good he did do here and a sad attempt to pay yourself on the back.

I for one, really wish Mike Bell could've improved on his rookie season and been the star for years to come. I think he had the potential if he'd worked at it a bit more but circumstances dictated it wont happen here. Who knows if it will happen elsewhere, I look forward to seeing it though.

[wolf754life]

SHANNAHAN is GOD..............

Alien abductors want Shannarat to abduct THEM...........

[Atlas]

It's outrageous that the same people who were thoroughly impressed with Bell two years ago are at the forefront of the "he didn't deserve to be here anyways" chatter now. After last year, the writing was on the wall but simply because something must've happened for him to get as little opportunity as he had. That's the only thing that changed from 2 years ago - he wasn't getting the ball anymore. The same guy that showed heart and destroyed Indy is the same no-talent hack that got released today. Everyone was cheering for him and pleased as could be with him then, today he's yesterday's garbage that stayed in the can too long and we couldn't wait to get rid of.

We all saw it coming, nobody here can explain exactly what happened though and to say it's based on skills is absurd. I'd be willing to bet that just about any established poster was caught in the midst of "the next TD" 2 years ago, only those who weren't truly have the right to call him a scrub now. Anything else is disservice to what good he did do here and a sad attempt to pay yourself on the back.

I for one, really wish Mike Bell could've improved on his rookie season and been the star for years to come. I think he had the potential if he'd worked at it a bit more but circumstances dictated it wont happen here. Who knows if it will happen elsewhere, I look forward to seeing it though.

He'll probably be signed by some other team within 2 weeks.

[DBroncos4life]

Tatum Bell is still better.

[wolf754life]

Tatum Bell was the 7th selection of the 2nd round

[Killericon]

Um, no. How can someone who guaranteed he would get cut be an idiot if they were right? That's pretty idiotic.

No. He was probably the most limited player on the team in terms of talent and potential.


You're right. Last year it only took him one! :rofl:

What the hell?

Okay. I can understand thinking that Mike Bell was a goalline back at best, and, realistically a fringe talent, but why the hell are you guys trashing him? He stepped up to the bat for us in his rookie year. We didn't pay him a hell of a lot, and he had a pretty good reason for wanting a trade. He put up 600 yards, and he was relegated to 2nd string FB. From a player's standpoint, that's a pretty ****ing big slap to the face, and yet he took it.

The way you guys are dancing around this news baffles me. It's more than an "I told you so." type deal...This is in the same vein as if a 1st round, malcontent bust were getting cut. I'm really confused by the reaction.

[wolf754life]

why? because BUSTOHAN signed off on this deal, so the mindless clones will follow suit and agree and worship all things MIKE ONE PLAYOFF WIN IN 10 YRS O HAN !

thats why..........stop thinking rationally, homer up Buddie, you'll like it here much better!

[Earendil]

Um, no. How can someone who guaranteed he would get cut be an idiot if they were right? That's pretty idiotic.
There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons. If you have such a great crystal ball, where were you last February when I could've used you?

No. He was probably the most limited player on the team in terms of talent and potential.
Maybe after we cut Cooper Carlisle....
You're right. Last year it only took him one! :rofl:
One fumble proves nothing. When he matches Taters '06 total gimme a call.

Point is all the sideline and armchair prognosticators are just that. Remember when Courtney Brown was the top pick in the Draft? 'Nuff said.

[TheReverend]

There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons. If you have such a great crystal ball, where were you last February when I could've used you?


Maybe after we cut Cooper Carlisle....

The only difference is cooper has been an NFL STARTER several years running.

One fumble proves nothing. When he matches Taters '06 total gimme a call.

Gimme a call when he matches Tater's yardage total

Point is all the sideline and armchair prognosticators are just that. Remember when Courtney Brown was the top pick in the Draft? 'Nuff said.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?



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[Drek]

Very interesting, he obviously fell out of favor with Shanny or more likely Turner. Didn't he have a bad camp last year. Again my memory has failed me with him but I wonder if Kaylor or Socal had something on it. I will have to go look.

From what I recall he basically saw the Tatum Bell trade as him being given the #1 job. When we then signed Henry he stopped putting in that same kind of effort that had him climbing the depth chart his rookie season.

Nothing gets you in the dog house in Denver faster than a lack of effort in camp or practice, especially if that lack of effort is at a position we're used to generating significant competition at. Bell apparently did just that and so he's gone.

As for the RB position as a whole. I think our HB setup will be Young as the primary back with Torain and Hall as the backups, each of whom will see 5-10 carries a game. If Young gets injured Torain steps into the primary role, but Hall would see an increased part time role.

Young has put on enough muscle and is far enough removed from his serious injuries in college to potentially be a #1 back. Torain has the size and power, and is recuperating from a broken bone (typically not anything that becomes chronic). Hall is a scat back type, too small to be an every down guy but he could be very explosive as a situational ball carrier, and that is the role I think Shanahan and Turner have defined for him, very similar to how we used Tatum Bell in '05 (though with fewer carries). We'll have a HB/FB tweener to take Torain's place if he gets hurt, and Alldrige on the PS for when/if Young or Hall go down.

At FB I'm expecting us see Hillis starting by pretty early in the season. Sapp's future with Denver depends largely on his own versatility and that of Michael Pittman. If Pittman can show some solid FB skills he could be the 'tweener HB/FB, if not well we know Sapp can handle that job. Spencer Larsen will be the emergency FB should we get hit with a ton of injuries for some reason.

[Bronco Jamus]

Best of luck to Mike Bell. It seemed as if he was in own worst enemy out there and just never put in the time to get the most out of it.

[Kaylore]

It's outrageous that the same people who were thoroughly impressed with Bell two years ago are at the forefront of the "he didn't deserve to be here anyways" chatter now.
I don't think anyone here has said he didn't deserve to be here. I checked most of the posts.
We all saw it coming
That's all anyone is saying. I'm not sure what's so "outrageous" about that.


There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons. If you have such a great crystal ball, where were you last February when I could've used you?
First of all, where were you? You joined just this month. As it happens several of us did see this coming as far back as October of 2007.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63541
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=61685

Maybe after we cut Cooper Carlisle....
Carlisle was solid here and one of the best linemen on the Raiders. Since they signed him and adjusted their scheme their line has played much better.

One fumble proves nothing. When he matches Taters '06 total gimme a call.
One fumble on one carry proved enough to Shanahan to keep him out of the game. He can't play special teams and isn't fast enough to play tailback. Right now he's off the team. That proves a lot of things...

Point is all the sideline and armchair prognosticators are just that. Remember when Courtney Brown was the top pick in the Draft? 'Nuff said.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Courtney Brown was a very good player that just couldn't stay healthy. What that has to do with Mike Bell, I have no idea.

[2KBack]

Kaylore, why do you keep saying he can't play special teams? He returned several kickoffs in 2006.

[Bronco Jamus]

I don't think anyone here has said he didn't deserve to be here. I checked most of the posts.

That's all anyone is saying. I'm not sure what's so "outrageous" about that.



First of all, where were you? You joined just this month. As it happens several of us did see this coming as far back as October of 2007.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63541
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=61685

Carlisle was solid here and one of the best linemen on the Raiders. Since they signed him and adjusted their scheme their line has played much better.


One fumble on one carry proved enough to Shanahan to keep him out of the game. He can't play special teams and isn't fast enough to play tailback. Right now he's off the team. That proves a lot of things...


I have no idea what you're talking about. Courtney Brown was a very good player that just couldn't stay healthy. What that has to do with Mike Bell, I have no idea.



I don't want to walk on Bell's grave, but he also put the ball on the ground in training camps. There is much more to it than what we see on Sundays.

[Kaylore]

Kaylore, why do you keep saying he can't play special teams? He returned several kickoffs in 2006.

Because he wasn't very good at it. He also can't tackle or block very well - in general. I remember last camp the staff kept yelling at him specifically during ST drills.

[2KBack]

Because he wasn't very good at it. He also can't tackle or block very well - in general. I remember last camp the staff kept yelling at him specifically during ST drills.

sounds like he was fitting in with the rest of the special temas then.

I'm not upset that Bell is gone really, it's the nature of the NFL, but the way it happens just seems wierd to me. I really don't feel like he was treated very well for what he had shown on gameday. All last season I couldn't help but wonder why he wasn't out there more with all the struggles the offense had, especially in the red zone.

There are few Wildcats that this Sundevil is willing to support, and he was one of them. I can't help but think that picking up a douche like Henry then crushing this kid was a sad mistake.

[TheReverend]

sounds like he was fitting in with the rest of the special temas then.

I'm not upset that Bell is gone really, it's the nature of the NFL, but the way it happens just seems wierd to me. I really don't feel like he was treated very well for what he had shown on gameday. All last season I couldn't help but wonder why he wasn't out there more with all the struggles the offense had, especially in the red zone.

There are few Wildcats that this Sundevil is willing to support, and he was one of them. I can't help but think that picking up a douche like Henry then crushing this kid was a sad mistake.

Not that Henry wasn't a douche... but he helped win games, and had he not popped on the most recent test, he'd probably still be on the ballclub. Bell... not so much.

[2KBack]

Not that Henry wasn't a douche... but he helped win games, and had he not popped on the most recent test, he'd probably still be on the ballclub. Bell... not so much.

God I hope not, he'd give us 3 good games before getting hurt again and then be a gameday decision the rest of the season. Any wonder why he isn't on another team yet?

[socalorado]

sounds like he was fitting in with the rest of the special temas then.
I'm not upset that Bell is gone really, it's the nature of the NFL, but the way it happens just seems wierd to me. I really don't feel like he was treated very well for what he had shown on gameday. All last season I couldn't help but wonder why he wasn't out there more with all the struggles the offense had, especially in the red zone.
There are few Wildcats that this Sundevil is willing to support, and he was one of them. I can't help but think that picking up a douche like Henry then crushing this kid was a sad mistake.

Dont worry about it. lets just move on to bigger, and better!












http://images.athlonsports.com/d/5581-1/RyanTorain.jpg

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5206142-lg.jpg

[2KBack]

Dont worry about it. lets just move on to bigger, and better!


http://images.athlonsports.com/d/5581-1/RyanTorain.jpg


Can't argue there. I'm all about Torrain

[Borks147]

Dont worry about it. lets just move on to bigger, and better!




http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5206142-lg.jpg

ouch....

[Kaylore]

sounds like he was fitting in with the rest of the special temas then.
LOL Then let's be grateful the staff is doing something about it.
I'm not upset that Bell is gone really, it's the nature of the NFL, but the way it happens just seems wierd to me. I really don't feel like he was treated very well for what he had shown on gameday. All last season I couldn't help but wonder why he wasn't out there more with all the struggles the offense had, especially in the red zone.

There are few Wildcats that this Sundevil is willing to support, and he was one of them. I can't help but think that picking up a douche like Henry then crushing this kid was a sad mistake.
I liked Mike Bell the guy. As a player his vision was undeniable. He was one of the few backs we've had that seemed to understand how to run in this system (when to take the cutback and when to follow the line). That said, he was not a great athlete and didn't do enough of the other things Shanahan likes well enough to stick. People keep pointing to the Indy game and forget that everyone and their mom ran against Indy like that that year. Their run defense was terrible. It was fun, but if you take away that game, what is it he's really done? There is also a side we don't see. We don't see how committed he is in the weight room. We don't see how he gets things upstairs and we don't see how he practices during the season. That's a lot of information we're missing so of course some moves aren't going to make sense.

I think the staff liked Bell enough to let him go now so he can make a team somewhere. Given the lack of playing time, it's pretty clear they weren't going to stay with Bell for too long. Good luck to Mike Bell and hopefully he carves a niche for himself somewhere.

[socalorado]

ouch....

Gonna go out on limb on this one, and just assume that theres a couple guys up in Wash that are really, really glad Torains out of college ball.





http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5180127-lg.jpg

[2KBack]

yeah, he must have started slacking as he started sliding down the depth chart. Too bad, that's not how you stick around. Hopefully he'll catch on somewhere with renewed effort.

[theAPAOps5]

Sometimes a door closes and another opens. Maybe he can start over with a refreshed view of what it takes to stick with a team/depth chart.

[lex]

What they should do is they should either start making Broncos Teddy Bears for all the scrubs that are inexplicably fan favorites....you could have them for guys like Mike Bell and Jake Plummer. Either that or they should just break down and buy a customized Mike Bell MacFarlane. This way their attachment to the players can be directed towards these figures/bears and it might be less traumatic when they no longer become Broncos.

[Beantown Bronco]

What they should do is they should either start making Broncos Teddy Bears for all the scrubs that are inexplicably fan favorites....you could have them for guys like Mike Bell and Jake Plummer.

You couldn't be more wrong here. How can anyone say that Plummer being a fan favorite was "inexplicable"? It's extremely easy to explain, actually.

[Kaylore]

You couldn't be more wrong here. How can anyone say that Plummer being a fan favorite was "inexplicable"? It's extremely easy to explain, actually.

You fool! The starting QB who stuck up for his dead friend? Who would like that guy?! FOOL!

[TheReverend]

God I hope not, he'd give us 3 good games before getting hurt again and then be a gameday decision the rest of the season. Any wonder why he isn't on another team yet?

Because he failed a drug test and will be suspended all season....

Was that a serious question?

[theAPAOps5]

You fool! The starting QB who stuck up for his dead friend? Who would like that guy?! FOOL!

Well he did flip off an obnoxious fan and bitch out a gossip reporter. Wait that makes me like him more, DAMN IT. I hate that I like him. I hate rooting for those inexplicable fan favorites.


God Lex has to be one of the stupidest posters to have joined here lately.

[TheReverend]

Well he did flip off an obnoxious fan and b**** out a gossip reporter. Wait that makes me like him more, DAMN IT. I hate that I like him. I hate rooting for those inexplicable fan favorites.


God Lex has to be one of the stupidest posters to have joined here lately.

Don't forget he rear-ended some jerk off on the road.

That's a daily fantasy of mine.

[bronco militia]

That's a daily fantasy of mine.

not that there's anything wrong with that

[TheReverend]

not that there's anything wrong with that

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

I can't rep enough for that! I'd edit that into an entirely less-gay wording but that's too funny.

[bronco militia]

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

I can't rep enough for that! I'd edit that into an entirely less-gay wording but that's too funny.

:thumbsup:

[That One Guy]

I don't think anyone here has said he didn't deserve to be here. I checked most of the posts.

That's all anyone is saying. I'm not sure what's so "outrageous" about that.


He was a nonentity that hung on much longer than he should've, period.

Now there's a shocker! About a season to late.

No. He was probably the most limited player on the team in terms of talent and potential.



And there were about 10 of those last comments stating he didn't have enough talent to make it. Again, the same people ready to crown him 2 years ago now figure he didn't have enough talent to make it. I wonder how many backs had 150+ carries and managed 4.3 YPC 2 years ago? Especially rookie UDFAs. The guy had talent, he just couldn't get things going last year.

If Bell was the least talented player on the team, we should damn well be looking at SB this year. If every player was capable of being at the top of their respective positions as UDFA rookies, they should all be dominating them at this point. NOW we need that trophy pic...

[Kaylore]

And there were about 10 of those last comments stating he didn't have enough talent to make it.
You said people said he didn't deserve to be here. That's not the same thing as saying he isn't physically gifted.

Again, the same people ready to crown him 2 years ago now figure he didn't have enough talent to make it. I wonder how many backs had 150+ carries and managed 4.3 YPC 2 years ago? Especially rookie UDFAs. The guy had talent, he just couldn't get things going last year.

If Bell was the least talented player on the team, we should damn well be looking at SB this year. If every player was capable of being at the top of their respective positions as UDFA rookies, they should all be dominating them at this point. NOW we need that trophy pic...
I can tell you're pretty sore over this but the bottom line is you don't know what the coaches do and it's pretty clear that while Mike Bell did some good things, like cut back and see the hole, he didn't do enough of the other things well to stay on the team. In his one start last year he absolutely failed. He also lacked the speed and explosiveness, God-given things, to be a legit every down running back at the pro level.

[That One Guy]

You said people said he didn't deserve to be here. That's not the same thing as saying he isn't physically gifted.


I can tell you're pretty sore over this but the bottom line is you don't know what the coaches do and it's pretty clear that while Mike Bell did some good things, like cut back and see the hole, he didn't do enough of the other things well to stay on the team. In his one start last year he absolutely failed. He also lacked the speed and explosiveness, God-given things, to be a legit every down running back at the pro level.

OK, I guess we're being caught up on the word choice I used. By my perception, someone saying he should've already been cut or that he never had the talent in the first place is just another way of saying he didn't deserve to be there. So while deserve may not be the right word, you guys are saying he wasn't good enough to have the roster spot he held last year. That's completely untrue. There's not many players that can sit on the bench for weeks on end, get 2 or 3 reps, then go back to the bench and really accomplish much. When he had a real opportunity and his head was in it, he managed 4.3 ypc and had some very good games. Not always, but games like the Pitt game 2 years ago were absolutely terrible for the Oline. Nobody can make the holes and run the ball too.

Bell had the potential to be the team's RB, he showed it two years ago. He didn't last year. I'm not arguing that he should still be here, I'm simply saying that had he stayed and been given the opportunity (if his head was on straight) he had the physical talent to make it. As you said, we don't know why he isn't still here but it is not lack of talent.

[Domostick]

Mike Bell's vision and cutback ability amounted to many 10+ yard runs but never many 20+ runs that amounted in touchdowns because he didn't have to speed or agility.

Selvin Young and Andre Hall have both shown their above average vision and cutback ability while having excellent top end speed to break the defense.

That's why they are both still here and Mike Bell isn't.

[Bladerunner]

I liked Mike Bell in 06...I didn't think he was inredibly special, but he would at least trust his line and hit the holes at full speed. He was pretty limited once he got to the second level though, and the grass snakes had it out for him. I still liked him though.

I liked Selvin Young even better in 07. Not quite as good of vision, but clearly better speed and agility. I was not surprised to see that Young stayed higher on the chart.

The team liked Bell enough to give him a shot at FB, but he proved to not be versatile enough.

I'm a little bummed, cause I liked him, but I don't think the Broncos are making that big of a mistake here, if it's a mistake at all.

[2KBack]

Because he failed a drug test and will be suspended all season....

Was that a serious question?

It was, because I forgot about his recent failed test.

[TheReverend]

It was, because I forgot about his recent failed test.

It's all good. Pot'll do that to ya.

[lex]

You couldn't be more wrong here. How can anyone say that Plummer being a fan favorite was "inexplicable"? It's extremely easy to explain, actually.

I dont know if a majority of the Broncos fans are/were pro-Plummer, but the numbers are significant and his cult of followers is fiercely loyal. I guess theres a huge demographic for faux rebels who like to throw picks with their non throwing hand.

[Eldorado]

Jake was fun in '05 when he nearly set records for most completions w/out a pick.

[Kaylore]

you guys are saying he wasn't good enough to have the roster spot he held last year.
That's not true. I never felt like he shouldn't have been on the team last year. Hogan suggested as much, but I think this year it was time for him to move on.

Bell had the potential to be the team's RB, he showed it two years ago. He didn't last year. I'm not arguing that he should still be here, I'm simply saying that had he stayed and been given the opportunity (if his head was on straight) he had the physical talent to make it. As you said, we don't know why he isn't still here but it is not lack of talent.
Agree to disagree on this. I don't know that he'll ever be a regular, every down running back. Situational in the red-zone and short yardage, maybe.

[Bronco Jamus]

I guess people don't remember that Mike Bell couldn't run the length of the field in a game without running out of gas in 06. My guess is the next year he lacked the focus, lacked the endurance, and Selvin Young was just better. So then he gets moved to fullback. Then he gets pulled into a must win game and proceeds to put the ball on the ground right out the gate and it cost the team.

[Hogan11]

And there were about 10 of those last comments stating he didn't have enough talent to make it. Again, the same people ready to crown him 2 years ago now figure he didn't have enough talent to make it.

Correction, I was never one of those people ready to crown him anything but some flash in the pan overachiever who had a high fan sentiment because he was a Broncos fan, saluted and wore the #30.

[Hogan11]

That's not true. I never felt like he shouldn't have been on the team last year. Hogan suggested as much, but I think this year it was time for him to move on.

I was shocked twice last year when it came to Bell:

First when he made the roster and secondly when he remained on it after his lone carry resulted in a fumble....I would've bet the house he was going to be cut the next day judging by Shanahan's reaction....glad I didn't.

[Popps]

I liked him. He played hard from what I could tell. Maybe he didn't practice well. I actually thought he was improving greatly as a blocker.

That said, losing him won't be an issue either way, really. He certainly wasn't starting back material. But, you could do much worse for a back-up.

[kmonty]

Geez, some people are all over this guy. He was great for a UDFA, but he wasn't that great, or else two UDFA's wouldn't have trumped him on the depth chart the very next year!

Moving on...

[That One Guy]

Just to set the record straight, I'm all for moving on and think the ones we have now (Selvin at least) definitely have more potential. I just thought many were undervaluing his contribution.

I really do think this year's RBs have a chance to be awesome; a lot of people seem really high on Torrain.

[Cito Pelon]

I honestly thought last season signing Henry was a mistake, they should have just stuck with MBell and made the most of it rather than blowing such big money on Henry. Gawd it would have been nice to sweeten the deal to Kerney instead of blowing money on Henry. That's gonna be a 'what if' thing to me for a long, long time. What if Kerney was signed and we didn't use a 1 and 3 on Moss? But Shanny was totally in love with Henry, he had him hand-picked as one of those 'one or two guys.'

[Cito Pelon]

Not that Henry wasn't a douche... but he helped win games, and had he not popped on the most recent test, he'd probably still be on the ballclub. Bell... not so much.

What?

[Merlin]

I liked Selvin Young even better in 07. Not quite as good of vision, but clearly better speed and agility. I was not surprised to see that Young stayed higher on the chart.
I thought Selvin had better vision than Mike and was better at everything else (except health, we'll see this yr). Young could see when a lane was not going to open and turn it the other way. Mike could never do that (partly due to speed, but I also think he did not see the lane not opening as well as Young)

[Broncomutt]

Yah, that happens when you fumble in crucial situations...several times over.

[theAPAOps5]

What?

After Travis Henry was cut he flunked a pee test. Thus, thats why he hasn't emerged on another team. He was referencing Henry.

[PaintballCLE]

Seriously, I wonder if Mike and Tatum made a bet to see who could fumble the most without getting cut???

[Inkana7]

Mike Bell has 2 or 3 career fumbles. Knock him for anything but that.

[PaintballCLE]

Mike Bell has 2 or 3 career fumbles. Knock him for anything but that.

yeah i know it was just a joke..... but if memory serves me correctly.... he did have 2 fumbles in 6 rushing attempts last year.....

[Greybeard]

yeah i know it was just a joke..... but if memory serves me correctly.... he did have 2 fumbles in 6 rushing attempts last year.....

So, in other words, he had absolutely no fumbles in all the rest of his carries?

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[Greybeard]

I dont know if a majority of the Broncos fans are/were pro-Plummer, but the numbers are significant and his cult of followers is fiercely loyal. I guess theres a huge demographic for faux rebels who like to throw picks with their non throwing hand.

So how many times did that happen?

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[lex]

So how many times did that happen?

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Too many.

[orange 4 life]

So how many times did that happen?

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the answer is one.
you know, the same number that cutler (and brady) has.

oh yeah, he ALSO had a lefty TD toss.

[orange 4 life]

the fact that some bronco fans STILL harp on the ONE lefty interception (in a game we won) shows how lousy this guy was treated. it was a shame considering how well he played and how good he was in the community.

[theAPAOps5]

the answer is one.
you know, the same number that cutler (and brady) has.

oh yeah, he ALSO had a lefty TD toss.

I don't believe Cutler threw an interception with the wrong hand. In fact I believe it was a reception.

[2KBack]

yeah i know it was just a joke..... but if memory serves me correctly.... he did have 2 fumbles in 6 rushing attempts last year.....

it serves you incorrectly, we covered this. He has 2 CAREER fumbles, one in each season, and he only lost 1. That's 2 fumbles in about 160 carries, his first 160 carries. A equal or better fumble to carry ratio than any Denver RB since Olandis Gary.

Call him slow, curse his work ethic or conditioning, but Fumbles were not his problem.

[orange 4 life]

I don't believe Cutler threw an interception with the wrong hand. In fact I believe it was a reception.

it was techinically a fumble, though he was ATTEMPTING to throw it left handed.
i'm sure others here will remember, 'cause it was his 1st start, and it DRIPPED of irony considering so many people never let plummer live down that one play.

ps- unlike plummers lefty toss, cutlers DID cost us the game.

pps- i am NOT anti-cutler in ANY way. i think the young man is a pleasure to watch. that said, i loved plummer too, and in point of fact we wouldnt gone to the playoffs had he stayed in in 2006. cutler was NOT the better option THAT season, no matter what we were told.

[Inkana7]

it was techinically a fumble, though he was ATTEMPTING to throw it left handed.
i'm sure others here will remember, 'cause it was his 1st start, and it DRIPPED of irony considering so many people never let plummer live down that one play.

ps- unlike plummers lefty toss, cutlers DID cost us the game.

pps- i am NOT anti-cutler in ANY way. i think the young man is a pleasure to watch. that said, i loved plummer too, and in point of fact we wouldnt gone to the playoffs had he stayed in in 2006. cutler was NOT the better option THAT season, no matter what we were told.

Is that why our PPG went up after he went in? By about a TD, too..

[Greybeard]

the answer is one.
you know, the same number that cutler (and brady) has.

oh yeah, he ALSO had a lefty TD toss.

Thank you.

I hereby appoint you as Lex's math tutor.

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[Earendil]

The only difference is cooper has been an NFL STARTER several years running.
I just never understood why. My working theory was "because it's all we've got" and recent games have vindicated that.

One fumble proves nothing. When he matches Taters '06 total gimme a call.

Gimme a call when he matches Tater's yardage total
Yards are worthless if you put the ball on the ground. The 199...2? Texas Aggies would've been 13-0, beaten Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl and possibly had a National Championship after Rodney Thomas' 30+ yard TD run--except he fumbled the ball at the 1 and it rolled out the back of the endzone: Touchback.

Point is all the sideline and armchair prognosticators are just that. Remember when Courtney Brown was the top pick in the Draft? 'Nuff said.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Google him. He was the #1 overall pick, just like Tim Kennedy was #6. Where are they now and what did they accomplish?

[lex]

Thank you.

I hereby appoint you as Lex's math tutor.

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Negative. I could likely be your math tutor.

[Eldorado]

Lex,

There is an alien thread next door. I think they are looking for you.

[TheReverend]

I just never understood why. My working theory was "because it's all we've got" and recent games have vindicated that.


Yards are worthless if you put the ball on the ground. The 199...2? Texas Aggies would've been 13-0, beaten Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl and possibly had a National Championship after Rodney Thomas' 30+ yard TD run--except he fumbled the ball at the 1 and it rolled out the back of the endzone: Touchback.


Google him. He was the #1 overall pick, just like Tim Kennedy was #6. Where are they now and what did they accomplish?

There is absolutely nothing in this post that should give anyone an inkling that you have a clue on what you're talking about.

[Eldorado]

There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons. If you have such a great crystal ball, where were you last February when I could've used you?


Maybe after we cut Cooper Carlisle....

One fumble proves nothing. When he matches Taters '06 total gimme a call.

Point is all the sideline and armchair prognosticators are just that. Remember when Courtney Brown was the top pick in the Draft? 'Nuff said.

Your not going to start talking about 'opportunity cost', are you?

[DidISayThat?]

When players are cut the negativity abounds, misinformation is passed on to support these outlandish claims. It comes down to the broncos not willing to give mike the opportunity he deserved. Yet this is nothing new with the broncos, and I guess with any other team as well. I wish Mike well in his continued career as a running back. He is headed to the Pats, who have interest in his services
:afro: .

[ZONA]

I never was too high on Mike Bell as a full time starter, but I thought he could or rather would have a future in Denver as a guy for short yardage and goalline situations.

Why would you think that? Torrain has even more power then Bell and his toughness is off the charts. I think you will see Torrain taking alot of those short yardage carries and goal line stuff. As I said before, what makes Torrain the perfect short yardage back is that he will scrap for every blade of grass further he can get. Lots of guys say that and by and by they mean very well to try and do it but this guy lives for it and DOES it. You just don't seem him go down after first contact often or even by one player. He's not a home run hitter like LT or guys like that but if you need short stuff, he's gonna get it done at a very high percentage. Bell had really good vision I think but he doesn't have the same "Brute" strength Torrain does.

[theAPAOps5]

When players are cut the negativity abounds, misinformation is passed on to support these outlandish claims. It comes down to the broncos not willing to give mike the opportunity he deserved. Yet this is nothing new with the broncos, and I guess with any other team as well. I wish Mike well in his continued career as a running back. He is headed to the Pats, who have interest in his services
:afro: .

Please he was given his chances. He didn't perform better than the ones above him. Sounds to me like you are a jilted Mike Bell lover.

[orange 4 life]

Is that why our PPG went up after he went in? By about a TD, too..

youre making an argument you cant win.

if you actually DONT think we wouldve beat san fran and seattle, then i dont even know what to say. you'd be on an island all by yourself with that opinion.

[theAPAOps5]

youre making an argument you cant win.

if you actually DONT think we wouldve beat san fran and seattle, then i dont even know what to say. you'd be on an island all by yourself with that opinion.

I don't think thats outlandish. Plummer was a sieve and getting worse each week. The defense couldn't carry them all year. I don't think either would have won those games.

[orange 4 life]

.....and again, for the record, i'm a huge cutler supporter.
can't wait to see what the young gunslinger can do healthy (knock on wood!!) for a full season.
i understand getting him some reps in '06 to better prepare him for last year and this year, but to argue that he was the better option AT THAT TIME is just silly, and the manner in which we played out that season proved it.

[orange 4 life]

I don't think thats outlandish. Plummer was a sieve and getting worse each week. The defense couldn't carry them all year. I don't think either would have won those games.

did you watch those games?

there's NO doubt in my mind (or cutlers mind for that matter) that we win those games with plummer under center.

[theAPAOps5]

did you watch those games?

there's NO doubt in my mind (or cutlers mind for that matter) that we win those games with plummer under center.

I did and was at the San Fran game and re-watched it. I feel confident saying after watching Plummer consistently making mistakes and getting worse that they would have lost worse with him. Yeah I said it, thats what I think. Cutler wasn't much better. Fact is that year we had zero good QB's.

[Earendil]

Your not going to start talking about 'opportunity cost', are you?
No, because, once again, that wasn't my point. My point is anyone who predicts the Hall OR flipping burgers for a player based on a few games and pre-seasons is reaching. The truth is usually somewhere between, but even when you get it right occasionally all it really "proves" is the Law of Averages: If you sound off way too early on everyone enough times even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

And somehow we worked in a Jake vs. Jay debate; just like old times... anyone seen JR...? :P

[Eldorado]

oh. well, good.

My point was m bell sucked. And right now flipping burgers seems more realistic.

[Hogan11]

oh. well, good.

My point was m bell sucked. And right now flipping burgers seems more realistic.

He'll end up working at a Payless somewhere, bank on it.