Bed wetter unite , US tells Iran .....cooperation or confrontation

[Spider]

Another chance for bedwetters to support a war they dont have ot fight


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25733175
NBC, MSNBC and news services
updated 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
GENEVA - The United States said on Saturday after inconclusive international talks with Iran's nuclear envoy that Tehran must choose between cooperation or confrontation and give up sensitive nuclear work.

"We hope the Iranian people understand that their leaders need to make a choice between cooperation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only lead to further isolation," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in a statement after the talks.

Saturday's talks were the first to include the United States.
....... read the rst at the link

[cutthemdown]

If I just want them bombed if they don't stop does that mean I have to become a pilot?

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Seriously though it's looking more and more like it won't happen IMO. Iran will make some opening known that they don't want war and are willing to talk. Bush will stick his little toe in just a tad and warm things up but Iran won't fully agree until he's gone.

The new President IMO will get an agreement from Iran very soon into his first year in office. Iran will agree to halt enrichment and they will get there fuel from Russia. Of course all the while they probably will build a bomb.

[Spider]

If I just want them bombed if they don't stop does that mean I have to become a pilot?

or learn to fill a plane up with fuel , or sweep the deck , or cook , clean toilets , do laundry , hell even a more daring feat , even become a mechanic ........ but it should be obvious there is something someone can do

[cutthemdown]

or learn to fill a plane up with fuel , or sweep the deck , or cook , clean toilets , do laundry , hell even a more daring feat , even become a mechanic ........ but it should be obvious there is something someone can do

I actually know a former helicopter pilot that is trying to talk me into going helicopter mechanic school. I'm just not very mechanically inclined though.

For sure if I went in as a volunteer it would be into the music program. Every branch has some killer bands and you get promotions pretty quick.

I actually almost did that out of H.S but I guess I was a pussy. LOL.

I do try and do things to help. Mostly by giving money which isn't really that tough but also by giving some time. The other night at Fritz 2 I bought 2 pitchers of beer and a round of lap dances for 4 marines. They thought I was the coolest ****ing dude on the ****ing earth.

[cutthemdown]

I guess according to this guy Spider there is tons of growth potential in being a helicopter pilot. Way more so then for airplanes.

[Spider]

I actually know a former helicopter pilot that is trying to talk me into going helicopter mechanic school. I'm just not very mechanically inclined though. I am very mechanically inclined .i screw up everything

For sure if I went in as a volunteer it would be into the music program. Every branch has some killer bands and you get promotions pretty quick. ;D Nothing wrong with layin some Elvin Bishop tunes on the troops

I actually almost did that out of H.S but I guess I was a p***Y. LOL. well better then what I tried to do , I was going ot join for all of the wrong reasons

I do try and do things to help. Mostly by giving money which isn't really that tough but also by giving some time. The other night at Fritz 2 I bought 2 pitchers of beer and a round of lap dances for 4 marines. They thought I was the coolest ****ing dude on the ****ing earth.
LOL buy a lap dance for me ........ on second thought .naw I dont need another baby ;D

[cutthemdown]

When we get old Spider we would rather just have the pitchers of beer.

[Spider]

When we get old Spider we would rather just have the pitchers of beer.

LOL or lemonade and geritol ........

[TailgateNut]

I actually know a former helicopter pilot that is trying to talk me into going helicopter mechanic school. I'm just not very mechanically inclined though.

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I wouldn't want you to depend on you to insure the locknut is installed and wired to the Jesus Nut on my Huey. That's a scary thought.

[Rohirrim]

The Iranians will shower us with flowers when our tanks roll into Tehran. I guarantee it.

[cutthemdown]

I wouldn't want you to depend on you to insure the locknut is installed and wired to the Jesus Nut on my Huey. That's a scary thought.

You're finally right about something.

[cutthemdown]

The Iranians will shower us with flowers when our tanks roll into Tehran. I guarantee it.

no way there is a ground war in Iran. I would say that has 0% chance.

Iran has never invaded anyone and in the end will play ball with the nuclear stuff. Iran saw how far N Korea got away with going so they aren't worried IMO. They will hold out for a really good deal and the next President.

[Spider]

You're finally right about something.

LOL sorry tailgate but that was good

[Florida_Bronco]

I guess according to this guy Spider there is tons of growth potential in being a helicopter pilot. Way more so then for airplanes.

This is very true.

I wouldn't want you to depend on you to insure the locknut is installed and wired to the Jesus Nut on my Huey. That's a scary thought.

Army doesn't fly Hueys anymore.

[TailgateNut]

This is very true.



Army doesn't fly Hueys anymore.


I know that. they were transitioning to the UH-60s when I got out of the service, but the Huey was my horse while I served.

[Rohirrim]

This is very true.



Army doesn't fly Hueys anymore.

Somebody is flying them. Those olive drab birds go chattering over my house every once in awhile in twos and threes. Sure look like Hueys to me. And I used to ride around in them. It's not like I don't know what they look like.

[TailgateNut]

Somebody is flying them. Those olive drab birds go chattering over my house every once in awhile in twos and threes. Sure look like Hueys to me. And I used to ride around in them. It's not like I don't know what they look like.


I think they've been shipped to the NG and AR.

[Earendil]

Another chance for bedwetters to support a war they dont have ot fight


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25733175
NBC, MSNBC and news services
updated 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
GENEVA - The United States said on Saturday after inconclusive international talks with Iran's nuclear envoy that Tehran must choose between cooperation or confrontation and give up sensitive nuclear work.

"We hope the Iranian people understand that their leaders need to make a choice between cooperation, which would bring benefits to all, and confrontation, which can only lead to further isolation," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said in a statement after the talks.

Saturday's talks were the first to include the United States.
....... read the rst at the link
Someone really needs to tell the State Dept. we don't talk to evil. After all, that's why we can't vote for the evil Obama; he'd talk to terrorists (and if you don't believe it just ask John "we have to talk to Hamas because they're the government" McCain. ) At what point are we reduced to "screw it, we just wanna be in charge"?

What's really sad is they all seem to believe their own garbage, and that goes for more than politics....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

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Army doesn't fly Hueys anymore.Where in the hell did you come up with this sh*t? Do you even know what a Huey is?
Somebody is flying them. Those olive drab birds go chattering over my house every once in awhile in twos and threes. Sure look like Hueys to me. And I used to ride around in them. It's not like I don't know what they look like.They are all over Iraq and I see them almost daily here in Southern Colorado (from Ft. Carson & Peterson). Like you, I have my time riding around in them too (them and those fricking Chinooks).



http://www.militarypictures.info/d/1029-5/UH-1.jpg
Bell UH-1 Hueys in Iraq (http://www.militarypictures.info/helicopters/UH-1.jpg.html)



http://www.militarypictures.info/d/103-3/CH-47_Chinook_in_Bagram.jpg
US soldiers sling-load a Humvee to a CH-47 Chinook helicopter in Bagram, Afhghanistan. (http://www.militarypictures.info/helicopters/CH-47_Chinook_in_Bagram.jpg.html)

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My friend flew an hh-52 sikorskey (spelling?) fighting fires.

[Florida_Bronco]

I know that. they were transitioning to the UH-60s when I got out of the service, but the Huey was my horse while I served.

Just checkin'. Gotta love the old Hueys, things were workhorses for sure.

Somebody is flying them. Those olive drab birds go chattering over my house every once in awhile in twos and threes. Sure look like Hueys to me. And I used to ride around in them. It's not like I don't know what they look like.

The Marines and the Navy fly the twin engine version of the Huey, but those are usually gray. TGN mentioned that the NG has some now so maybe thats what you see.

[Florida_Bronco]

Where in the hell did you come up with this sh*t? Do you even know what a Huey is?
They are all over Iraq and I see them almost daily here in Southern Colorado (from Ft. Carson & Peterson). Like you, I have my time riding around in them too (them and those fricking Chinooks).



http://www.militarypictures.info/d/1029-5/UH-1.jpg
Bell UH-1 Hueys in Iraq (http://www.militarypictures.info/helicopters/UH-1.jpg.html)



http://www.militarypictures.info/d/103-3/CH-47_Chinook_in_Bagram.jpg
US soldiers sling-load a Humvee to a CH-47 Chinook helicopter in Bagram, Afhghanistan. (http://www.militarypictures.info/helicopters/CH-47_Chinook_in_Bagram.jpg.html)

Dude, I've been into aviation (especially helicopters) my whole life, I know what I'm talking about.

Those Hueys are the Marine twin engine version, not the single engine version the Army used to fly.

[Northman]

I fly the F-14 Tomcat Interceptor myself. Amazing piece of machinery.

[jhat01]

The Army leases a field from my father in law in Alabama. They use Hueys for training out of Ft Rucker. They practice landings and **** in one of his pastures, it's pretty cool to watch.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Dude, I've been into aviation (especially helicopters) my whole life, I know what I'm talking about.
Those Hueys are the Marine twin engine version, not the single engine version the Army used to fly.You said "Hueys" but the Army has NOT done away with them. They are still using them (UH-1Ds) in Iraq and various other places.


And this is what you said...
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Army doesn't fly Hueys anymore.

[Florida_Bronco]

You said "Hueys" but the Army has NOT done away with them. They are still using them (UH-1s) in Iraq and various other places.


And this is what you said...

Yes there are plenty of Hueys in Iraq...flown by the Marines and Navy...but the Army phased out their Hueys in the 90's, along with the AH-1 Cobra. They were replaced by the Blackhawks and Apaches. Any Hueys the Army still has are reserve/training fleet.

Edit: Looks like I was incorrect. The Army didn't completely phase out the Huey until 2004.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yes there are plenty of Hueys in Iraq...flown by the Marines and Navy...but the Army phased out their Hueys in the 90's, along with the AH-1 Cobra. They were replaced by the Blackhawks and Apaches. Any Hueys the Army still has are reserve/training fleet.

Edit: Looks like I was incorrect. The Army didn't completely phase out the Huey until 2004.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm
Uh, yeah, you were wrong and still are, that is why I said the Army is still using them in Iraq and the U.S. The Army is planning on trying to end using them next year (2009) now.

[Florida_Bronco]

Uh, yeah, you were wrong and still are, that is why I said the Army is still using them in Iraq and the U.S. The Army is planning on trying to end using them next year (2009) now.

That's not what this article says.

The Army continues to use Hueys to fly training missions at Fort Rucker, Ala.; transport Pentagon officials in and around metropolitan Washington, D.C., and conduct multi-national observer operations in Egypt’s Sinai Desert.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm

And I still haven't found anything mentioning the Hueys being used in Iraq by the Army.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's not what this article says.

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/issues/2004/Mar/Armys_Old.htm

And I still haven't found anything mentioning the Hueys being used in Iraq by the Army.Listen, you said the Army is NOT using them anymore and your own link shows you are wrong.

They were going to phase them out in 04 but couldn't because they didn't and don't have the replacements.

And also this from your article...
US Helicopter installs Huey II kits on existing UH-1 frames, and it upgrades UH-1s for customers who opt not to buy the kits. Customers can choose from a wide variety of optional add-ons, such as armor decking, upgraded avionics, cargo hooks, rescue hoists, fire-fighting buckets, extended-range fuel tanks and floats.

In all, over the past decade, the firm has upgraded 460 helicopters for the Army; National Guard; federal, state and local agencies, and 19 foreign countries. The leading foreign customer has been Colombia, which at last count had acquired 82 Hueys for use in its long campaign against drug smugglers and rebels. Other Hueys have gone to such countries as Jordan, Greece and Thailand.

“Five Huey IIs currently are flying in Pakistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom,” Fitzgerald said. When President Bush visited the Philippines in October, he promised to provide that country with 20 refurbished Hueys.

[Florida_Bronco]

Listen, you said the Army is NOT using them anymore and your own link shows you are wrong.

They were going to phase them out in 04 but couldn't because they didn't and don't have the replacements.

They are not being used in front line combat missions (like they were in Vietnam) which is what I was initially referring to. I still can't find any source that says the Hueys are being used in Iraq.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

They are not being used in front line combat missions (like they were in Vietnam) which is what I was initially referring to. I still can't find any source that says the Hueys are being used in Iraq.I don't know about that but you said the Army doesn't use them at all so that's why I responded. And I updated the previous post showing updated Hueys in use for the Army and NG and also being used in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't know about that but you said the Army doesn't use them at all so that's why I responded. And I updated the previous post showing updated Hueys in use for the Army and NG and also being used in Pakistan/Afghanistan.

Well thats my fault for not clarifying what I meant, but it was a friendly jab at TGN so I just threw it out there. I know the National Guard flies the Hueys alot.

[TailgateNut]

Just checkin'. Gotta love the old Hueys, things were workhorses for sure.



The Marines and the Navy fly the twin engine version of the Huey, but those are usually gray. TGN mentioned that the NG has some now so maybe thats what you see.


...and "Big Brother" flies the "black ones".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If I just want them bombed if they don't stop does that mean I have to become a pilot?

No, but if you did become a pilot, and if you did have the experience of actually dropping bombs and killing large numbers of people, then you might have a slightly different perspective, i.e., might not be such a rah-rah armchair cheerleader for pre-emptive war.

Like I said, if we re-instate the draft and chickenhawks like you are vulnerable, this thing is over so fast it makes your head spin.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Florida_Bronco]

...and "Big Brother" flies the "black ones".

That's why Gaff keeps his tinfoil hat on at all times.

[TailgateNut]

That's why Gaff keeps his tinfoil hat on at all times.



Are you insinuating that they do not? Although some are using the UH-60, the Huey is still being used by those types of organizations.

[alkemical]

Hey...I've actually SEEN a black helicopter. No lie. I mean the "conspiracy" ones too. It was before the first election (I think, i was working at Hershey then) - and Bush/Cheney campaign was going to be at the hershey stadium (outdoor venue)...

So i'm out smoking a cig and it's sorta late (i'm working the 4-12 shift - at the corporate office building - right near the state police barracks) - and i keep hearing this helicopter - but i can't find the damn thing. So i just figure somehow the sound is being bounced around and i'm hearing it. About i dunno 20min or so this helicopter flies up from down the hill in front of me (over looking the stadium) and flies up and over the building. No real lights, and it was "quiet" (for a helicopter).

Was sort of freaky.

[Earendil]

I fly the F-14 Tomcat Interceptor myself. Amazing piece of machinery.
Indeed, and some more attached IIRC. I remember my dad telling me how the last thing he did before he joined the Navy was go get his security clearance so they could put him to work on Sidewinders. That was in the mid-fifties, so how much service have we gotten from those things? He also told me when they did war games with the Air Farce, after it was over they had to report their position because they never let a fighter within 200 miles of that carrier. Go Navy! (And why isn't there a Mile High Salute smiley? What's WRONG with you people? :P)

[orinjkrush]

ok, play this iranian chess with me...

israel has to confront iranian nuke plants;
the US wont;
israel does with aircraft conventional strikes;
iran retaliates conventionally against cities;
israel retaliates nuclear against nuke development sites;
who joins in???