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Bronco_Beerslug
07-09-2008, 07:00 PM
Wow, what a grinder they had been put through for years by Boulder's DA's.

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DA: New DNA evidence clears Ramseys in JonBenet murder (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/09/new-dna-evidence-reportedly-clears-ramsey-family/)
The Rocky
Originally published 12:50 p.m., July 9, 2008

Boulder's district attorney apologized to the Ramsey family today, saying new DNA evidence convinces her that no member of the family is under suspicion for the 1996 death of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.


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Photo by Courtesy Ramsey Family
Family photos of Jon Benet Ramsey, her mother Patsey, father John and brother Burke. Authorities announced Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006, the arrest of a suspect in the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey, who was found dead in her Boulder home the day after Christmas 1996.


In a letter to John Ramsey, DA Mary Lacy said her office recently got results back on a new "touch DNA" process in which technicians can scrape places where there are no stains or other signs that DNA may be present.

The samples from JonBenet's long johns — "probably handled by the perpetrator during the course of this crime" — revealed male DNA, but none of it matched anyone in the Ramsey family, she said.

The unexplained DNA from both the long johns and the underwear is "very significant and powerful evidence," Lacy said today.

"To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in the crime, I am deeply sorry," Lacy wrote in the letter to the family.

Pam Paugh, sister of Patsy Ramsey, said: "Patsy didn't get to hear anyone apologize to her, and there were so many that were cruel. But she and John knew in their hearts what the truth was."

Patsy, JonBenet's mother, died in 2006 of ovarian cancer.


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John Ramsey looks on as his wife, Patsy, holds an advertisement promising a reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the murderer of their 6-year-old daughter, JonBenet, during an interview Thursday, May 1, 1997, in Boulder, Colo. It was the Ramsey's first meeting with reporters since the days after their daughter was found slain in the basement of their family's home in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 26, 1996. No arrests have been made in the girl's death.

"It's not for our family but for everyone else, so they can say we're so sorry, the Ramseys didn't have anything to do with this, and we spent years crucifying them," Paugh said. "Patsy died knowing she absolutely did nothing to her child but give her life and give her love."

"I'm glad the world now knows what we always knew," Paugh said. "It's just 12 years too late."

In the letter, DA Lacy said, "No innocent person should have to endure such an extensive trial in the court of public opinion."

She added: "I am very comfortable that our conclusion that this evidence has vindicated your family is based firmly on all the evidence."

The DNA match on JonBenet's long johns "makes it clear to us that an unknown male handled these items," Lacy said.

The DNA also matched the DNA found on the underwear JonBenet was wearing at the time of the murder, she said. Earlier, there was speculation that the DNA on JonBenet's underwear could have been left innocently by a garment worker who made the panties.

But with the same DNA found on two different articles of clothing JonBenet was wearing on the night of her murder, that speculation no longer makes sense.

Lacy added that after 11-plus years of investigation "there is no innocent explanation for its incriminating presence in three sites on these two different items of clothing that JonBenet was wearing at the time of the murder."

She told Ramsey that it is important to give him the DA office's opinion that "your family was not responsible for this crime."

And she added that her office is "comfortable" that the profile now in the DNA national database "is the profile of the perpetrator of this murder."

John Ramsey and his wife, Patsy, were considered prime suspects after JonBenet's garroted body was found in the basement of their large home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996. The Ramseys were the butt of jokes by Jay Leno, David Letterman and other comedians. Patsy Ramsey died from cancer two years ago.

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watermock
07-09-2008, 07:08 PM
Wow, that is so sad. That investigation was piss poor.

Los Broncos
07-09-2008, 07:14 PM
That took forever, kind of sad.

CoopDawg
07-09-2008, 08:22 PM
My defensive coordinator during high school football was the Ramsey's close friend, as well as their defense attorney. He always maintained that the DA had unfairly pointed the finger at the Ramseys during the media frenzy that followed JonBenet's murder. For his sake I am glad to know he was telling the truth all along. This will certainly go down as one of the saddest stories I ever watched unfold. Too bad Patsy didn't live to see her innocence verified.

Tombstone RJ
07-09-2008, 08:23 PM
The Boulder PD and DA so completely screwed that investigation up it was hard to fathom how anything could get done. Moreover, if memory serves me, the Ramseys contaminated the crime scene pretty badly, of course, now in hindsight, it might look more innocent, at the time of the murder, it just looked well, wrong.

KipCorrington25
07-09-2008, 08:31 PM
I still think they did it.

Triplelefthook
07-09-2008, 09:31 PM
the Bouler PD is a joke. any "evidence" they put forth doesn't mean jack to me. i don't believe that the parents did it, but it has nothing to do with anything the Boulder idiots say

broncofan7
07-09-2008, 09:32 PM
Glad to hear the Patrick will now be able to focus on his duties as Jay's understudy.........

Bronco_Beerslug
07-09-2008, 09:49 PM
My defensive coordinator during high school football was the Ramsey's close friend, as well as their defense attorney. He always maintained that the DA had unfairly pointed the finger at the Ramseys during the media frenzy that followed JonBenet's murder. For his sake I am glad to know he was telling the truth all along. This will certainly go down as one of the saddest stories I ever watched unfold. Too bad Patsy didn't live to see her innocence verified.Very sad for that family, a real tragedy.

Taco John
07-09-2008, 10:29 PM
I never understood why anyone would believe that they would murder the daughter that they turned into a pageant princess - which I personally found sick in itself.

Hogan11
07-09-2008, 11:23 PM
Victims of media sensationalism...it's the way of the west.

TexanBob
07-09-2008, 11:24 PM
I still think they did it.

I still think they knew who did it and obstructred the investigation until there was nothing left to build a solid case with. Still left unanswered is how a child predator would know which upstairs bedroom to find JonBenet, take her down to the basement, rape her and kill her then go back upstairs to find Patsy's yellow tablet and scrawl a rambling two-page ransom note where he asks for the same amount of money John Ramsey had recently received as a bonus, leave the ransom note at the foot of the stairs and then sneak out without leaving any fingerprints and without anyone detecting his presence in the home or outside of it. Certainly, this criminal was either the luckiest ****-up in the history of crime or he knew the layout of the house enough to wander all over it without being detected. If the Ramseys didn't do it themselves, I believe they know who did and were running interference for reasons only they know.

PaintballCLE
07-09-2008, 11:34 PM
hmmmmmm did anyone question patrick???????

Popps
07-10-2008, 12:39 AM
Gut-wrenching story.

BigPlayShay
07-10-2008, 12:46 AM
If you have your kids teeth filed and enter them into pageants you're guilty of something.

Kaylore
07-10-2008, 02:53 AM
I never understood why anyone would believe that they would murder the daughter that they turned into a pageant princess - which I personally found sick in itself.

Because it would be "shocking" and people will believe what they want to. Look at this thread. Already two people are insisting that they did it despite additional evidence to the contrary. ::)

TexanBob
07-10-2008, 03:22 AM
Technically, all the DNA proved was that the family didn't match the DNA found in the girl's pants. It doesn't mean they couldn't be accessories.

There is one scenario, sick as it is, that the Ramseys were actually prostituting their daughter and something went terribly wrong. It would explain a lot of other strange behaviors in this case (which would explain why the Ramseys might want to be part of a cover-up yet also supports the "intruder" scenario). The problem with that scenario is that the Ramseys didn't need the money and one can't fathom any parent putting their child through such a thing at such a young age. And yet it does make all the pieces fit like nothing else does.

I'm guessing if that DNA matched, the DA would have had a case a long time ago so it is not all that surprising that it doesn't match. But it doesn't mean they had nothing to do with it - only that there was one person outside the family involved.

BroncoInferno
07-10-2008, 07:04 AM
Wasn't there an uncle or something with a molestation record who was briefly investigated? If so, he would seem the most likely culprit and would explain why the killer knew the lay-out of the house.

oubronco
07-10-2008, 07:53 AM
I still think they did it.

yea i'm with you i think the dad did it but i also think OJ killed his woman

rugbythug
07-10-2008, 08:27 AM
I am dumber than I was 5 minutes ago

Beantown Bronco
07-10-2008, 08:40 AM
I am dumber than I was 5 minutes ago

Impossible.

Phantom
07-10-2008, 09:43 AM
Most likely some perv that enjoyed the five year old swim suit beauty pagent alittle too much. Those contests are disturbing, not that it make anything right or deserved, I'm just saying.

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2008, 10:21 AM
Most likely some perv that enjoyed the five year old swim suit beauty pagent alittle too much. Those contests are disturbing, not that it make anything right or deserved, I'm just saying.

I agree....there is something creepy about parading your own kid around at that age as if they were 15 years older than they are.

That is just a recipe for enticing a child predator.

Kaylore
07-10-2008, 10:38 AM
Wasn't there an uncle or something with a molestation record who was briefly investigated? If so, he would seem the most likely culprit and would explain why the killer knew the lay-out of the house.

70% of child abductions are committed by someone the family knows.

Beantown Bronco
07-10-2008, 10:39 AM
I agree....there is something creepy about parading your own kid around at that age as if they were 15 years older than they are.

That is just a recipe for enticing a child predator.

Slippery slope alert. Is it time for women to stop wearing revealing clothing because it may "invite" a rapist to attack them? What about NFL cheerleaders? Those girls are just asking to be attacked after every game, aren't they.

It's one thing to point out the age of the child involved and say, nope, let's not push a child that young to do certain things we want them to do because it may rob them of their childhood and scar them for life. Fine. That at least can be proven based off of what we see from 99% of child movie stars in Hollywood. But to say that such behavior entices child predators? I'm not buying it.

Thousands of kids do pageant-like events every year in this country alone and they aren't raped and murdered. Let's keep our eye on the ball here and stop "blaming the victim."

Kaylore
07-10-2008, 10:46 AM
Slippery slope alert. Is it time for women to stop wearing revealing clothing because it may "invite" a rapist to attack them? What about NFL cheerleaders? Those girls are just asking to be attacked after every game, aren't they.

It's one thing to point out the age of the child involved and say, nope, let's not push a child that young to do certain things we want them to do because it may rob them of their childhood and scar them for life. Fine. That at least can be proven based off of what we see from 99% of child movie stars in Hollywood. But to say that such behavior entices child predators? I'm not buying it.

Thousands of kids do pageant-like events every year in this country alone and they aren't raped and murdered. Let's keep our eye on the ball here and stop "blaming the victim."

I think it's a different story when children are involved. You expect an adult woman to understand what she's doing and take appropriate precautions to protect themselves. This is different because the kids aren't old enough to take care of themselves. I agree that they are essentially exploiting the kids.

But let's set the whole "they are tempting predators" thing aside and look at the point. I mean what good can putting a young girl through all that bring? She's going to be judged and scrutinized at a young age based on her looks and she's not even in the double digits yet? That just seems wrong...

Beantown Bronco
07-10-2008, 10:47 AM
I agree and conceded that point in my second paragraph. It's simply the "enticing child predator" comment that I took issue with.

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2008, 10:48 AM
I am blaming the parents....not the 'victim'.

If you think it is ok to parade 5 year old girls around in bikinis with full makeup to be judged and to award a winner....based on what?....then that is fine.

It is simply my opinion that 5 is too young to introduce those things to a child.

vancejohnson82
07-10-2008, 10:53 AM
i think they KNOW who did it....

SouthStndJunkie
07-10-2008, 10:59 AM
I agree and conceded that point in my second paragraph. It's simply the "enticing child predator" comment that I took issue with.

I guess I can see your point....however someone obviously wanted to sexually assault her. My point is that dressing 5 year old girls up in makeup and parading them around in skimpy outfits as if they were 20 years old is something that sexual predators of children probably find appealing.

Beantown Bronco
07-10-2008, 11:04 AM
I am blaming the parents....not the 'victim'.

Criminology also views the parents as victims in such cases.

Sassy
07-10-2008, 05:08 PM
i think they KNOW who did it....

The brother.

Smiling Assassin27
07-10-2008, 05:43 PM
Don't rule out Patrick Ramsey...I'm sure these bumbling idiot investigators haven't...

broncocalijohn
07-10-2008, 06:00 PM
Glad to hear the Patrick will now be able to focus on his duties as Jay's understudy.........

Before I posted this same thought, made sure somebody didnt steal my thunder. You did. Kudos!
Rep ya beatch.

Orange_Beard
07-10-2008, 06:14 PM
oops, see above.