Kissing Suzy Kolber Stirs the Pot

[telluride]

Sportsblogger KSK does a long takeout (http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/)of Stefan Fatsis' new book, and pulls out some juicy parts and some wild quotes from Jake, Shanny, and the lot. I'll go ahead and ignore fair use legalisms and just paste whole chunks of the thing:

Fatsis wrote his book after spending training camp with the Broncos as a place kicker and then covering the team through the 2006 season, a season that included Jake Plummer’s benching in favor of Jay Cutler, and Darrent Williams’ murder on the same day the 49ers knocked the Broncos out of the playoff hunt. Fatsis also did not take part in ANY contact drills. What a puss! Hey Fatsis, put a hat on and go hit someone, you timid little Greek bastard. I don’t care if you’re “too old”, or “too small” or “in possession of two reconstructed knees that could crumple any second”. NFL players routinely destroy their bodies purely for my enjoyment. I see no reason why you can’t do the same.

The most illuminating thing about the book is the fact that, by and large, most football players can’t stand their ****ing jobs. Oh, they like playing in games. But they only get to do that three hours a week. The rest of the week blows. The coaches are a-holes. The fans are a-holes. The media are a-holes. The pay isn’t really all that great if you’re just a practice squadder. You get hurt constantly. And chronically. And, when you do get hurt, you don’t get a card that everyone in the office signs like at my day job. You get fired.

There’s no job security unless you’re an All-Pro, and 99% of guys aren’t that. Most of the players can’t even figure out why they do it. They’re constantly being hired, then fired, then rehired, and the re-fired. Hundreds of guys are hired every year to bust ass through camp, despite management having no intention of keeping them when roster cuts come down. Your pay for going through camp? A few grand. Most of those guys never even earn the yearly minimum. Coaches constantly tell players their jobs are in jeopardy, yet refuse to clue them in as to where they stand. If your boss did this, you’d ****ing murder him.

In a way, it makes sense that NFL players are so jaded and cynical. Unlike most sports, football is the one sport where your time spent actually playing is but a mere fraction of the time you invest: lifting, practicing, going to boring as **** meetings, going to game “rehearsals” where you stand in formation 90 times over, etc. Compare that to baseball. Baseball players get to spend most of their time playing in REAL games. That’s fun. Football? Eh, not so much. You gotta sit through a whole lotta bull**** to get to Sunday.

You also come to learn a few other things from Fatsis’ book, like:

-Todd Sauerbrun is a total a-hole.

-I mean it. A real douche. But you probably already surmised that.

-Tight end Nate Jackson’s hip hop name is “Jack Nasty”

-Mike Shanahan can best be described as aloof, detached, insensitive, unemotional, manipulative, uncharismatic, controlling, uncommunicative, petty, and at times incompetent. And, of course, overly tan. But most players agree, he’s one of the BETTER coaches to play for.

-Jake Plummer’s a badass.

-Jason Elam is one of those Tebow-esque, Evangelical Christian overachievers who seems kinda cool to hang out with. Unless you’re gay. He might not like that.

There’s also no shortage of candid, profanity-laced quotes from people in the Broncos organization that, when extrapolated from the broader story, could be totally blown out of proportion by the media. So let’s go ahead and do that right now…

Jake Plummer: “Yeah, I missed some (offseason) workouts. And you know what? Mike Shanahan, you can kiss my ****ing ass for being pissed at that… I don’t want to be here every ****ing day in the offseason.”

Nate Jackson: “Half the guys out there **** up, basically, every single play.”

Ian Gold: “This is a business. When I’m here on this field, it is absolutely business. When I’m in the meeting rooms, it is business. Don’t hug me, don’t touch me, don’t call me your buddy, don’t tell me you love me, because I know you’ll mother**** me as soon as I leave the room.”

Mike Shanahan (after a bad practice): “Guys get their opportunity, they **** in their hat.”

Tom Nalen (to Fatsis after missing a kick that would have saved players 30 minutes of meeting time): “Thanks for ****ing us.”

Jake Plummer (to Pat Bowlen): “Hey, Mr. Bowlen, those are sweet boots. Where’d you get ‘em?”

Pat Bowlen (to Jake Plummer): “Aw, these are some ****in’ ostrich skin. You got to get yourself a pair of these, you little ****er.”

(NOTE: Bowlen will indeed become a new KSK kharakter. He’s like the Double-J’s brother.)

Jason Elam (regarding the theory of evolution): “You’ve got this goo man they want you to think we came from. It doesn’t make sense to me.” (Yeah, scientists! What’s with this half-assed goo man ****? There’s nothing in the New Testament about Swamp Thing!)

Ian Gold: “The hard part for me is dealing with a lack of loyalty, dealing with people who have such a lack of integrity that it’s just sickening… You have coaches that will smile in your face and they’ll **** on you the next second.”

Jake Plummer (to Mike Shanahan during a game): “Just call the plays. I’m going out there and playing ****ing football.”

Good stuff, Fatsis. You gave me a real glimpse inside the minds of NFL players. You got me to sympathize with them. Not enough to stop making fun of them, but a good amount nevertheless. I give your book a hefty FOUR THROWGASMS. I would have given you five, except that you say in the book that Matt Stover deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Pfft. Matt Stover can suck my balls.

[Inkana7]

Those quotes are both awesome and depressing at the same time.

Nails is the ****ing man.

[TheReverend]

Pat Bowlen (to Jake Plummer): “Aw, these are some ****in’ ostrich skin. You got to get yourself a pair of these, you little ****er.”

Jake Plummer (to Mike Shanahan during a game): “Just call the plays. I’m going out there and playing ****ing football.”

I laughed... SO hard

[Kaylore]

Jake is who we thought he was.

[TheReverend]

Jake is who we thought he was.

Cooler than everyone here but me?:pimp:

[Kaylore]

Cooler than everyone here but me?:pimp:

A maverick that played hard but played when he wanted to. I suppose that is "bad ass" as it goes, but it doesn't make for a great QB. He was like the cool kid that was skipping class all the time.

[DomCasual]

Just ordered the book on Amazon.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

There's a great little excerpt from the book:

PJ Alexander has a coffee cup that features a crazy looking Jake Plummer flashing two middle fingers. Underneath the picture it says GOOD MORNING DOUCHBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[telluride]

The Elam Creationist stuff confirms my dislike of him. Also, I bet Darwin could have kicked Elam's ass and managed to kick it out of the end zone.

[Dudeskey]

There's a great little excerpt from the book:

PJ Alexander has a coffee cup that features a crazy looking Jake Plummer flashing two middle fingers. Underneath the picture it says GOOD MORNING DOUCHBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL Where do I get one of those?

[2KBack]

A maverick that played hard but played when he wanted to. I suppose that is "bad ass" as it goes, but it doesn't make for a great QB. He was like the cool kid that was skipping class all the time.

I can't help but like Jake, if just for his maverick attitude. I mean, it wasn't great for Denver in the long run, especially since Jake could have probably actually been great if he had wanted to put forth the effort, but it makes for one hell of a cool guy. He's gone now, and we have our talented workaholic QB. Jake just kept the seat warm in exciting fashion.

[Northman]

I can't help but like Jake, if just for his maverick attitude. I mean, it wasn't great for Denver in the long run, especially since Jake could have probably actually been great if he had wanted to put forth the effort, but it makes for one hell of a cool guy. He's gone now, and we have our talented workaholic QB. Jake just kept the seat warm in exciting fashion.

Exciting for both teams.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

LOL Where do I get one of those?

i know right, i know my next xmas present for my friends (cept itll be a pic of me instead of jake)

[Kaylore]

I can't help but like Jake, if just for his maverick attitude. I mean, it wasn't great for Denver in the long run, especially since Jake could have probably actually been great if he had wanted to put forth the effort, but it makes for one hell of a cool guy. He's gone now, and we have our talented workaholic QB. Jake just kept the seat warm in exciting fashion.

I'll always appreciate Jake for that 13-3 season and for replacing Griese. We had some fun games with Jake and it was nice to finally have a QB that was fun to watch. His heart just wasn't in it enough to care and he finally petered out as his dedication early in the week went out the door.

[2KBack]

Exciting for both teams.

Blah blah, you don't like him, broken record.

Go back and watch the Griese years and remember how unlikable that guy was. It was great to have someone to root for again, someone with a little attitude.

The **** talking from this place drives me nuts sometimes. Jake was a warrior on sundays, and a great teammate. His flaw was that he didn't treat football like an obesssion. He's gone now, get over it.

[TheReverend]

I'll always appreciate Jake for that 13-3 season and for replacing Griese. We had some fun games with Jake and it was nice to finally have a QB that was fun to watch. His heart just wasn't in it enough to care and he finally petered out as his dedication early in the week went out the door.

I disagree. So he didn't shove his nose in the books everyday. He was still doing things with the team and for the team... only offensive player going to the weekly dinner with the defense.

...and things like that pay dividends... the team NEVER quit on Jake.

Disclaimer: Naturally, I still love Jay more.

[2KBack]

I'll always appreciate Jake for that 13-3 season and for replacing Griese. We had some fun games with Jake and it was nice to finally have a QB that was fun to watch. His heart just wasn't in it enough to care and he finally petered out as his dedication early in the week went out the door.

I agree with that. I think when Cutler was drafted Jake started to coast. He wasn't a fan of the out of game demands, and when he saw his replacement evident his efforts waned. A senior slack if you will. He was still fun to watch set Denver passing records, and then help guide the team to the AFC title game.

He also walked away when he decided it wasn't worth it anymore. I respect that personally.

[Kaylore]

I disagree. So he didn't shove his nose in the books everyday. He was still doing things with the team and for the team... only offensive player going to the weekly dinner with the defense.

...and things like that pay dividends... the team NEVER quit on Jake.

Disclaimer: Naturally, I still love Jay more.

I never disputed that. I was talking about honing his craft as a QB. He was a good leader and was his own man and his teammates respected that. I do think he lost the team his last year, though. You could tell there was doubt as his play declined. In football you lead with your play first and your off-field stuff second. If you don't have the former, they won't care what you think.

[Jason in LA]

A maverick that played hard but played when he wanted to. I suppose that is "bad ass" as it goes, but it doesn't make for a great QB. He was like the cool kid that was skipping class all the time.

If Plummer was about 3 inches taller and could see over the line from the pocket, he would have been great.

[Jason in LA]

Nate Jackson: “Half the guys out there **** up, basically, every single play.”

I was laughing really hard at that quote. He's right. But I wonder if he puts himself in the group that ***** up every single play.

[Killericon]

I wonder how long it'll be until every thread on the man that mentions Plummer DOESN'T get derailed and turn into a giant argument about the guy.

[2KBack]

I wonder how long it'll be until every thread on the man that mentions Plummer DOESN'T get derailed and turn into a giant argument about the guy.

about 21 days

[DenverBrit]

I agree with that. I think when Cutler was drafted Jake started to coast. He wasn't a fan of the out of game demands, and when he saw his replacement evident his efforts waned. A senior slack if you will. He was still fun to watch set Denver passing records, and then help guide the team to the AFC title game.

He also walked away when he decided it wasn't worth it anymore. I respect that personally.

Cutler wasn't drafted until after the AFC title game. It was the next season Jake slacked off.

I liked Jake. But I did get frustrated with some of his bonehead plays, but not his effort.

[TheReverend]

I never disputed that. I was talking about honing his craft as a QB. He was a good leader and was his own man and his teammates respected that. I do think he lost the team his last year, though. You could tell there was doubt as his play declined. In football you lead with your play first and your off-field stuff second. If you don't have the former, they won't care what you think.

I disagree. That last year they still kept fighting for him every play. It wasn't until he was pulled and Jay got the reigns that this disturbing trend of flat out quitting in games started.

Hopefully that's over now.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Jason Elam had it made. There are no FG meetings, PAT meetings, or kicking the ball into the net meetings.

[alkemical]

Cooler than everyone here but me?:pimp:

**** bro, you got some catchin' up to do. :)

[Smiling Assassin27]

Jake is who we thought he was.


ROFL!

Jake would be one fun ****fcker to sit on the back porch with drinking some Jim Beam and picking a guitar.

[alkemical]

Jake is who we thought he was.

I respect jake for doing what he wants to do. He made coin, he didn't blow it - i respect him for being able to live life by his rules.

[Northman]

Blah blah, you don't like him, broken record.

Go back and watch the Griese years and remember how unlikable that guy was. It was great to have someone to root for again, someone with a little attitude.

The **** talking from this place drives me nuts sometimes. Jake was a warrior on sundays, and a great teammate. His flaw was that he didn't treat football like an obesssion. He's gone now, get over it.

I never said i dont like him.

[Kid A]

Between these quotes, that article a while back on his new handball career, and the fact he gave up 7 million like it was nothing, I have to agree that Jake really is a bamf. Don't worry, I've still got a healthy man-crush on Jay, but if I was drafting NFL QBs to be friends with, Jake would be toward the top.

[TheReverend]

Remember after the Pats play-off game, when Tom Terrific met the media in his usual three piece suit with the hanky fashionably peeking from the breast pocket... then Jake comes out in a hoodie and barefoot.

[Kid A]

Also, lets not overlook the Plummer-Bowlen exchange. We already knew he was one of the best owners, but that quote was cracking me up.

[alkemical]

Remember after the Pats play-off game, when Tom Terrific met the media in his usual three piece suit with the hanky fashionably peeking from the breast pocket... then Jake comes out in a hoodie and barefoot.

That's what i'm talkin about!!!!

That's how i show up for work!

[Northman]

That's what i'm talkin about!!!!

That's how i show up for work!

My wife and i use to laugh at that all the time. Remember the little skit the team did before the Chiefs matchup where Mighty Mouse ran all over them? The one where Jake and Priest were doing the 70's hippy skit? Ha!

That was JAKE to a tee! Hilarious!

[Kaylore]

Don't forget Jesus Jake. It was hilarious and unnerving to have my QB take his helmet off and look like the Messiah.

And I will always appreciate how Jake stood up to the league to respect his friend Pat Tillman.

[Smiling Assassin27]

jake was kinda like our version of ken stabler...minus the drinking and DUI arrests...and the ring.

[Northman]

And I will always appreciate how Jake stood up to the league to respect his friend Pat Tillman.

Definitely. :strong:

[TheReverend]

How has no one already mentioned the greatest incarnation of Plummer?!?!

Porn-stache Jake!

[bpc]

Nate Jackson: “Half the guys out there **** up, basically, every single play.”

I was laughing really hard at that quote. He's right. But I wonder if he puts himself in the group that ***** up every single play.

Watch the majority of our offensive line play over the past three years. No joke.

[SouthStndJunkie]

How has no one already mentioned the greatest incarnation of Plummer?!?!

Porn-stache Jake!

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[Pat Bowlen]

Also, lets not overlook the Plummer-Bowlen exchange. We already knew he was one of the best owners, but that quote was cracking me up.
You should have seen Jake's face when I told him how much I paid for them. It was something like this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/plummmer.jpg

[TheReverend]

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...and that's why we should retire #16

[Northman]

...and that's why we should retire #16

Key Porn Music- Bow shan wicka bow wow

[2KBack]

I never said i dont like him.

that's true, and I guess you were right.

you still may have been thinking it though.

[Northman]

that's true, and I guess you were right.

you still may have been thinking it though.


Nah, im not one of his biggest fans but i do appreciate for what he did do while he was here. He was just limited to certain things and unfortuantely im left with the bad things he did before he left as my final thoughts on him. No harm, no foul. It is what it is and i hope he has found what he was looking for. I think everything has worked out for him and the team in the end. :thumbs:

[Eldorado]

about 21 days

Cant come soon enough.

[2KBack]

Cant come soon enough.

oooh, happy monday to me, it looks like it's actually 18 days

[TheReverend]

Nah, im not one of his biggest fans but i do appreciate for what he did do while he was here. He was just limited to certain things and unfortuantely im left with the bad things he did before he left as my final thoughts on him. No harm, no foul. It is what it is and i hope he has found what he was looking for. I think everything has worked out for him and the team in the end. :thumbs:

Retired multi-millionaire at 30? Check

Keep yourself busy playing handball? Check

Married a super-hot ex-cheerleader? Check

[alkemical]

Retired multi-millionaire at 30? Check

Keep yourself busy playing handball? Check

Married a super-hot ex-cheerleader? Check

paid off honda element (slightly dinged), check!

Wake & Bake on a lake, check!

[Smiling Assassin27]

one of the few people, let alone players to tell mike shanahan to **** off. check.

[24champ]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/jakereborn.jpg

[Popps]

I'll always appreciate Jake for that 13-3 season and for replacing Griese. We had some fun games with Jake and it was nice to finally have a QB that was fun to watch. His heart just wasn't in it enough to care and he finally petered out as his dedication early in the week went out the door.

That's about as fair as I've heard you be about the situation. Kudos for seeing both sides.

The only place I'll take exception is that I don't think his heart wasn't in it the whole time. I think he caved under Shanahan's pressure, just like Griese did. It took him longer because he had much more spine than Griese. But, if you believe all reports you hear about Shanahan, he's just not a player's coach. If you're not an elite talent, you can easily end up on his bad side and even if you ARE elite, you can still end up there. (See Shannon Sharpe.)

Jake busted his ass and utilized his very limited skills to fit the system well and Shanahan squeezed all he could out of him. But, when things got tough, Shanahan took his usual approach and Jake just caved under pressure and more likely just said **** it. If ever I've seen a guy just happily call it a career, it was Plummer and honestly, I can't blame him. Second best stats in Broncos history, a ton of wins... and people wanted to run him out of town almost the entire time he was there.

The bottom line is, it all worked out great. Jake had a good run in Denver (despite some people's inability to see it) .... and Shanahan got another elite QB prospect. I'll never quite understand why people are still so obsessed with bashing the guy at this stage. We've got our next great QB, it's time to move on... and.... oh, maybe address the defense that's been **** for a decade.

[epicSocialism4tw]

one of the few people, let alone players to tell mike shanahan to **** off. check.

Jake was one of the best characters to ever come through Denver.

[SleepingTiger]

is this a Jake appreciation thread?

[PLOWHORSE]

I'm kunfused....What does Suzy Kolber have to do with all this??

[Blueflame]

What? We didn't get enough Plummer discussion out of the other thread? ??? :P

[Kaylore]

That's about as fair as I've heard you be about the situation. Kudos for seeing both sides.

The only place I'll take exception is that I don't think his heart wasn't in it the whole time.
Oh I agree and I should have been more clear. I think the first three seasons he was totally into it. I think losing the AFCG, Tillman's death and finally drafting Cutler all kind of put him in "who cares?" mode. To that point he was as passionate and excited as you could hope.

[Popps]

What? We didn't get enough Plummer discussion out of the other thread? ??? :P

It's off-season. Try to pull yourself together.

[Popps]

As for the book I haven't read it but it looks to be about what I'd expect.

Most jobs: People hate their bosses - Check
NFL: People hate their bosses - Check

Most jobs: Very little security - Check
NFL: Very little security - Check

Most jobs: People backstab - Check
NFL: People backstab - Check

Most jobs: Some personalities work together, some don't - Check
NFL: Some personalities work together, some don't - Check



I will say this about Shanahan (as a guy who has defended him for years).... his alienation tactics might backfire on him as much as they work out.
Certainly, there's a time for it... but I also wonder if he's a one trick pony in that regard. Someone like Parcells knew when to kick a player's ass and when to reel them in. Seems to me like Shanahan is in ass-kick mode 100% of the time, and if you're not a veteran, experienced, highly talented team leader... you're in the ****-house. I wonder if that hasn't worn thin around Broncos headquarters as the talent pool has thinned out.

[Blueflame]

It's off-season. Try to pull yourself together.

Relax. I resisted the urge to merge the threads. I mean, since this one is basically a continuation of the discussion on the other one and all. At any rate, Plummer is pretty much irrelevant to the Denver Broncos unless one wants to revisit yesterday's news.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Relax. I resisted the urge to merge the threads. I mean, since this one is basically a continuation of the discussion on the other one and all. At any rate, Plummer is pretty much irrelevant to the Denver Broncos unless one wants to revisit yesterday's news.

He's as irrelevant as Craig Morton, Bubby Brister, Brian Greise, or even John Elway are at the moment.

[alkemical]

Personally - I like Jake. Football was a JOB to him. It wasn't his life. I give someone kudos for living life on their own terms.

[Popps]

Plummer is pretty much irrelevant to the Denver Broncos unless one wants to revisit yesterday's news.

He came up in the article.

John Elway and Terrell Davis are also irrelevant to the Broncos right now, but people may want to talk about them around here as well.

[Blueflame]

He came up in the article.

John Elway and Terrell Davis are also irrelevant to the Broncos right now, but people may want to talk about them around here as well.

Yes, he did come up in the article. And so did a lot of other people... which kinda was the point. I don't get the lingering fascination with Plummer to the exclusion of everyone else in the article particularly when we already have a current Plummer thread that has barely slid to Page 2.

[alkemical]

So...then....don't post here. I mean....It's like anti-smokers who cough at smokers. It's silly.

[24champ]

I am thinking of starting another Plummer thread...

[Blueflame]

So...then....don't post here. I mean....It's like anti-smokers who cough at smokers. It's silly.

I just found it amusing that some apparently still can't get enough Plummer talk.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I just found it amusing that some apparently still can't get enough Plummer talk.

Dude's a lightning rod.

[Meck77]

Retired multi-millionaire at 30? Check

Keep yourself busy playing handball? Check

Married a super-hot ex-cheerleader? Check

"Jay gives us the best chance to win right now!" Check?

"Bench Jake and insert Cutler and we go to the playoffs" Check?

Sorry I had to do it.

[Los Broncos]

Funny stuff...

[rovolution]

I disagree. That last year they still kept fighting for him every play. It wasn't until he was pulled and Jay got the reigns that this disturbing trend of flat out quitting in games started.

Hopefully that's over now.


selective memory on your part.


San Diego Sunday Night Football game was a travesty of a loss. Team gave up in that game and i dont care what anyone says.

[Dagmar]

I just finished the book and it was brilliant. I wish we could discuss the 500 pages of more in depth details than we will EVER get about a Broncos season that just Jake (who is awesome I will admit...).

[80smith]

I'm looking into reading this book. I was excited to find out that as a broncos fan there was a broncos player living just 3 blocks from me only to find out it was Todd S. He was sigining autographs at our towns 4th of july party this year.

[2KBack]

selective memory on your part.


San Diego Sunday Night Football game was a travesty of a loss. Team gave up in that game and i dont care what anyone says.

the 8 point loss or the 28 point loss?

[Popps]

I am thinking of starting another Plummer thread...

They'll merge it! Then you'll be sorry!!!

[Popps]

I just found it amusing that some apparently still can't get enough Plummer talk.

The QB is a hot-spot topic, period. You're not going to change that just because you happened to hate Plummer because he ran Griese out of town.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The QB is a hot-spot topic, period. You're not going to change that just because you happened to hate Plummer because he ran Griese out of town.

I'm still not sure what Griese offered in comparison to Plummer. Griese was a cold fish. Plummer played with fire.

[Blueflame]

The QB is a hot-spot topic, period. You're not going to change that just because you happened to hate Plummer because he ran Griese out of town.

Don't you ever get tired of making incorrect assumptions? ??? The fact is that I don't care a whit about either Plummer or Griese because neither is even remotely relevant to the Broncos (the rights to both of them being currently held by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I am not a Bucs fan, so I don't care). However, I don't think this means we necessarily need more than one thread on the main board devoted to discussing a former Bronco when there's really nothing new; everything's been hashed and rehashed endlessly already. If, for example, there was news that Plummer & his wife were expecting a baby, then yeah, a new thread is warranted. JMHO; YMMV.

[watermock]

cold fish

[Killericon]

Don't you ever get tired of making incorrect assumptions? ??? The fact is that I don't care a whit about either Plummer or Griese because neither is even remotely relevant to the Broncos (the rights to both of them being currently held by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I am not a Bucs fan, so I don't care). However, I don't think this means we necessarily need more than one thread on the main board devoted to discussing a former Bronco when there's really nothing new; everything's been hashed and rehashed endlessly already. If, for example, there was news that Plummer & his wife were expecting a baby, then yeah, a new thread is warranted. JMHO; YMMV.

It's July 7th...What the **** else do you want us to talk about?

[Hogan11]

cold fish

http://www.rockiebill.com/mxc/ken_vic_3.jpg

"Indeed"

[Blueflame]

It's July 7th...What the **** else do you want us to talk about?

A quick look at the topics on the main board would indicate that pretty much anything and everything is available to talk about. But I have yet to hear a valid reason why we need more than one current thread to rehash Jake Plummer on.

[24champ]

http://www.rockiebill.com/mxc/ken_vic_3.jpg

"Indeed"

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1177160695_1.jpg

"Oh ho ho, Guy like!"

[Killericon]

A quick look at the topics on the main board would indicate that pretty much anything and everything is available to talk about. But I have yet to hear a valid reason why we need more than one current thread to rehash Jake Plummer on.

I'm on your side, I was just bitching about the state of things.

[Blueflame]

I'm on your side, I was just b****ing about the state of things.

The offseason sucks... LOL

[Pat Bowlen]

I don't think this means we necessarily need more than one thread on the main board devoted to discussing a former Bronco when there's really nothing new; everything's been hashed and rehashed endlessly already. If, for example, there was news that Plummer & his wife were expecting a baby, then yeah, a new thread is warranted. JMHO; YMMV.
No offense, but until you start enough threads to fill the entire board and steer it in the direction you prefer it's just an annoyance to a) criticize a thread like this while you read/post in it and b)continue to do so while defending your actions.

[Blueflame]

No offense, but until you start enough threads to fill the entire board and steer it in the direction you prefer it's just an annoyance to a) criticize a thread like this while you read/post in it and b)continue to do so while defending your actions.

That's defined as "spamming" and is grounds for a "vacation". tsk tsk Annoyances abound on any public messageboard. Furthermore, I've taken no actions that could even conceivably require any "defending"... forming and expressing an opinion is what every poster here does.