Evidence Obama's Birth Certificate Is Fake?

[TexanBob]

...and not from the right wing, either. These are Hillary supporters who say the document was Photoshopped by an Obama supporter and the proof is that his original has a minor flaw which shows up on the Daily Kos' version of the birth certificate* as well as the "Stop The Smears" version:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/update-daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certificates/#more-432

The story has also been picked up in Israel:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

Of course, we must keep in mind that some Democrats still think the blatantly fake CBS Bush National Guard documents are real so there may be a steep learning curve for some folks on the Left.

The real question behind this is: If this document is a fake, what is Obama hiding since his campaign apparently accepts the document as real by posting it on their "Stop The Smears" website? Is it that he can't produce a real one or is it that the real one would reveal something unsettling to the electorate or, possibly worse, disqualifying him for the office of the president?

And, for the loonies who see a Republican evil gremlin behind everything you can't accept or explain, note that the GOP gains nothing for this to be exposed now when the Democrats can still correct the problem. Surely, if they were behind it, the Republicans would wait until October when it is too late for the Democrats to put forth a different candidate.

* - technically, this is a "certification of live birth" which may have different legal standing than the traditional "birth certificate" most American-born people receive.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

...and not from the right wing, either. These are Hillary supporters who say the document was Photoshopped by an Obama supporter and the proof is that his original has a minor flaw which shows up on the Daily Kos' version of the birth certificate* as well as the "Stop The Smears" version:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/update-daily-kos-an-obama-activist-and-forged-birth-certificates/#more-432

The story has also been picked up in Israel:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

Of course, we must keep in mind that some Democrats still think the blatantly fake CBS Bush National Guard documents are real so there may be a steep learning curve for some folks on the Left.

The real question behind this is: If this document is a fake, what is Obama hiding since his campaign apparently accepts the document as real by posting it on their "Stop The Smears" website? Is it that he can't produce a real one or is it that the real one would reveal something unsettling to the electorate or, possibly worse, disqualifying him for the office of the president?

And, for the loonies who see a Republican evil gremlin behind everything you can't accept or explain, note that the GOP gains nothing for this to be exposed now when the Democrats can still correct the problem. Surely, if they were behind it, the Republicans would wait until October when it is too late for the Democrats to put forth a different candidate.

* - technically, this is a "certification of live birth" which may have different legal standing than the traditional "birth certificate" most American-born people receive.

Don't you have any "evidence" of Obama being hatched on Mars or something? This crap here doesn't work for anyone.

[TexanBob]

Have you bothered to look, Slug, or are you just dismissing it out of hand?

And do you claim to speak for everyone on the board now?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Have you bothered to look, Slug, or are you just dismissing it out of hand?
And do you claim to speak for everyone on the board now?I went, I looked, I said WOW, this is some potent sh*t here, then I poured another cold one and thought, is TX Bob bored again tonight?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Of course, we must keep in mind that some Democrats still think the blatantly fake CBS Bush National Guard documents are real so there may be a steep learning curve for some folks on the Left.

What we must keep in mind is that some repugs still can't make the distinction between questions about the origins of a memo and questions about the veracity of its claims (and that some repugs continue to ignore the fact that we don't need the CBS memo to prove Dim Son was AWOL from the ANG - there is already more than enough proof.)


And, for the loonies who see a Republican evil gremlin behind everything you can't accept or explain...

Riiiiiight - ~75% of Americans are just 'loonies' because they can't see that the repugs are really boy scouts and GeeDubya is one of the greatest presidents ever and about as far from "evil" as it gets. :D

[TexanBob]

In the effort of full disclosure, there are some on the Left who also think John McCain's birth records disqualify him from the office he is seeking.

And, frankly, I'd be thrilled if they were both disqualified. Then, maybe America can have a do-over. :egbgb:

[theAPAOps5]

Are you ****ing kidding me.

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/kk355/jimj_07/anomalyDailyKosnewObamaBCerthigherc.jpg


I just looked at my birth certificate and it has marks like this too. I am off to figure out how on earth my parents forged my documents and find out if I really am from Zimbabwe.

[TexanBob]

Completely true: My older brother's birth certificate was a form document with blanks to be filled in. Our doctor filled in the blanks but he did not "close his a's" when he wrote script so where it says "Sex: ________ ", my brother's birth certificate says "Mule". Hilarious!

Fortunately, he bought a typewriter by the time I was born. Ha!

[Spider]

I heard Obama is really an Alien , and is here as a front man to pave the way for an Alien invasion , but the Aliens dont want war cause I guess Water is bad for them ....... Kinda covert take over of earth ......

[Florida_Bronco]

I heard Obama is really an Alien , and is here as a front man to pave the way for an Alien invasion , but the Aliens dont want war cause I guess Water is bad for them ....... Kinda covert take over of earth ......

I thought he was a reincarnation of Hitler, Stalin and Satan all rolled into one ???

[Taco John]

Here's undeniable proof that he's a Muslim plant:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/02/24/obama_muslim_garb.jpg

[BroncoBuff]

The story has also been picked up in Israel!
Oh my gosh ..... the it MUST be true!


Knothead, do you really, truly believe Obama was born outside the United States? And this is a "Manchurian Candidate" thing? Really?

[theAPAOps5]

I heard Obama eats baby seals and craps fur coats. PETA will be all over this.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

That's some funny sh*t, guys.

This thread is finally getting the treatment it deserves. :thumbs:

[Pseudofool]

Does anyone believe this crap? Does Texan Bob even believe it? Absurd.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Does anyone believe this crap? Does Texan Bob even believe it? Absurd.

TexasBoob might very well believe it - considering that you have to believe things that are WAY more far-fetched than this to be a Bush supporter or a republican these days. :D

Or, this thread might simply be an indication that this sort of Enquirer stuff is all the republi-cons have left in the tank.

[peacepipe]

what's sad is that there are some morons out there that will believe this sh!t.

[Play2win]

Simple-minded is too complex of a concept for Some people to even understand...


Like I used to say... Shesh... Some peoples' CHILDREN...

[gunns]

Of course, we must keep in mind that some Democrats still think the blatantly fake CBS Bush National Guard documents are real so there may be a steep learning curve for some folks on the Left.


Out of this whole thread this is the part I find may have been blatantly fake. The document might have been fake but I wonder how much of the content hits the nail on the head.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Out of this whole thread this is the part I find may have been blatantly fake. The document might have been fake but I wonder how much of the content hits the nail on the head.

Typical of modern lefty ethics...its okay to lie and cheat if you get your way.

[alkemical]

Oh my gosh ..... the it MUST be true!


Knothead, do you really, truly believe Obama was born outside the United States? And this is a "Manchurian Candidate" thing? Really?

ThoughtCriminal!

[Northman]

In the effort of full disclosure, there are some on the Left who also think John McCain's birth records disqualify him from the office he is seeking.

And, frankly, I'd be thrilled if they were both disqualified. Then, maybe America can have a do-over. :egbgb:

I like that option already.

[peacepipe]

In the effort of full disclosure, there are some on the Left who also think John McCain's birth records disqualify him from the office he is seeking.

And, frankly, I'd be thrilled if they were both disqualified. Then, maybe America can have a do-over. :egbgb:The fact that McCain was born in panama was brought into question,but was a result of his parents being stationed there at the time which still made McCain a US citizen.

[TexanBob]

Does anyone believe this crap? Does Texan Bob even believe it? Absurd.

I don't know if I believe it or not but this "crap" is coming from Clinton supporters, not the right wing and the info it provides doesn't conclude that Obama is not a U.S. resident or anything else but what it does imply is that the certificate presented on the Daily Kos website may not be authentic.

For those who lack the reading comprehension, let me give you the shorthand. A blank copy of the "certificate of live birth" exists in .jpg form on a Photobucket website of a higher resolution quality than the examples on Daily Kos and "Stop the Smears". That photo has a minor defect which also shows up on the two Obama certificates on the other sites meant to prove Obama is American-born.

If the certificates were photoshopped from the blank form supplied on Photobucket, then they clearly aren't authentic which leads us to ask why the Daily Kos and "Stop The Smears" (which is run by the Obama campaign) would post a fake document as proof, particularly when it would be easy enough for Obama to obtain a legitimate copy from the State of Hawaii if it says the exact same thing.

Now, there is another explanation and that is that the defect exists in the printed forms owned by the State of Hawaii and that all copies of birth certificates would include this defect because it was a defect in the printing of the form. So, there's the other side.

I don't know which to believe. All I know is that some Hillary supporters apparently aren't satisfied that Obama's certificate is authentic and they give a plausible reason to support their claim.

I think if the Obama campaign wants to put the issue to rest, they can ask the State of Hawaii to mail a notarized copy of the certificate by registered mail in an official state envelope and open up the envelope live before reporters. It would be very hard to refute that sort of chain of evidence.

If the whole issue is a red herring, why not prove it and shut up the doubters?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Typical of modern lefty ethics...its okay to lie and cheat if you get your way.

:oyvey:

You must be positively dizzy from the amount of spinning it took to assign that kind of meaning to Gunns' post.

[JCMElway]

So, what's everyone eating on the 4th? I had Turkey with barbecue sauce and green bean casserole.

[baja]

I'm fasting, I'm in the 4th day.

[Odysseus]

Why no evil eyes thrown on the guy born in Panama?

http://www.biography.com/search/article.do?id=9542249

[baja]

He's also a short fuucker.

PS How the hell are ya QT.

[BroncoBuff]

So, what's everyone eating on the 4th? I had Turkey with barbecue sauce and green bean casserole.
Pan-fried salmon steaks in some kind of dill marinade. Very nice.

[gunns]

Typical of modern lefty ethics...its okay to lie and cheat if you get your way.

WHAT? :kiddingme:

I think you posted just to get a jab at "lefties". I doubt you even read most posts, just look at who's posting them. Stupid.

[baja]

http://static.flickr.com/102/291797208_7e29a6534f.jpg

[TexanBob]

http://static.flickr.com/102/291797208_7e29a6534f.jpg

Nice of you to show us a picture of your date, Baja! But isn't she just a little young for you? :rofl:

[peacepipe]

So, what's everyone eating on the 4th? I had Turkey with barbecue sauce and green bean casserole.
I had some rice & beans with 1 pound bone in ribeye with a 6 pack of natural ice.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nice of you to show us a picture of your date, Baja! But isn't she just a little young for you? :rofl:

That's TexanBoob for you: always backing the wrong guy.

[BroncoBuff]

That's TexanBoob for you: always backing the wrong guy.
I don't mind so much if somebody is Republican, or thinks Obama is too inexperienced, whatever. What I mind is people "clinging to" bizarre, way-outside-the-fringe source facts to promote bizarre threories, like Obama cannot be president (or 9-11 truthers for that matter). This whole thing goes back to two recent themes around here that I simply cannot stress enough:1. "Conclusion-based reality," or, people seeking only the information that backs up their opinion (however bizarre), and discarding the rest, is bad, BAD for America, bad BAD for mankind. An agreeable set of base facts is absolutely necessary for any reasoned discourse, and the Internet, along with gullible dimwittery, is a constant threat to reasoned discourse.

2. The "mainstream" news media could never, and would never hide such a story. Not ABC, NBC or CBS; not Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC; not the New York Times, Washingon Post, L.A. Times, or wire services. There are literally hundreds of national news reporters, some of whom I know personally, that would give a year's pay to crack this story. Ever see All the President's Men?

Now let's kill this thread.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't mind so much if somebody is Republican, or thinks Obama is too inexperienced, whatever....

I was speaking of TexanBoob's support for llama in this discussion.

[BroncoBuff]

I was speaking of TexanBoob's support for llama in this discussion.
I know, I was just referring to the idea that Texas Bob - or anybody - can think enough of this foolishness to attempt to convince others of its newsworthiness. I feel insulted that he posted such a weakly supported, nonsense rumor from such a highly dubious source .... as if he thought maybe somebody here might believe it. I find that insulting. I wish there was less nonsense, and more facts. Not just here, but in society in general. It's like the "UFO-Ufologist" mindset has metasticized into every area of news and information. And the Internet (and gullible dimwittery) are entirely responsible for this dumbing down.

Actually, we were at a 4th party yesterday, and I was shocked at the number of people who, a) believed in astrology, b) believed in UFOs, and c) thought Obama was a Muslim and was hiding it.

I think people used to be smarter. Or less gullible. Or both :(

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I know, I was just referring to the idea that Texas Bob - or anybody - can think enough of this foolishness to attempt to convince others of its newsworthiness. I feel insulted that he posted such a weakly supported, nonsense rumor from such a highly dubious source .... as if he thought maybe somebody here might believe it. I find that insulting. I wish there was less nonsense, and more facts. Not just here, but in society in general. It's like the "UFO-Ufologist" mindset has metasticized into every area of news and information. And the Internet (and gullible dimwittery) are entirely responsible for this dumbing down.

Actually, we were at a 4th party yesterday, and I was shocked at the number of people who, a) believed in astrology, b) believed in UFOs, and c) thought Obama was a Muslim and was hiding it.

I think people used to be smarter. Or less gullible. Or both :(

:yep:

That's SOP for TexanBoob and every other unrepentant Bush apologist on the OM, I'm afraid.

[theAPAOps5]

DramaLlama in the house.

My 4th of July meal consisted of Chicken Burgers, Potato Salad, and Sweet Corn. It was awesome.

[baja]

I'm still fasting quit talking about food ;D

[peacepipe]

I know, I was just referring to the idea that Texas Bob - or anybody - can think enough of this foolishness to attempt to convince others of its newsworthiness. I feel insulted that he posted such a weakly supported, nonsense rumor from such a highly dubious source .... as if he thought maybe somebody here might believe it. I find that insulting. I wish there was less nonsense, and more facts. Not just here, but in society in general. It's like the "UFO-Ufologist" mindset has metasticized into every area of news and information. And the Internet (and gullible dimwittery) are entirely responsible for this dumbing down.

Actually, we were at a 4th party yesterday, and I was shocked at the number of people who, a) believed in astrology, b) believed in UFOs, and c) thought Obama was a Muslim and was hiding it.

I think people used to be smarter. Or less gullible. Or both :(I hate to think this is the case but these type of post/threads may be a reflection of the opinion he has of those who post on this board.

[BroncoBuff]

I'm still fasting quit talking about food ;D
Try Atkins ... I'm on Atkins "Induction Phase" right now. Having roasted pork medallions wit shredded Mozarella cheese on top. Mmmmmm :thumbs:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I hate to think this is the case but these type of post/threads may be a reflection of the opinion he has of those who post on this board.

He's trying to appeal to the rest of the GOP base.

As we get closer to November, they will all be marching in lockstep with the Rove playbook.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Try Atkins ... I'm on Atkins "Induction Phase" right now. Having roasted pork medallions wit shredded Mozarella cheese on top. Mmmmmm :thumbs:

Had some awesome curry chicken and rice while watching "The Patriot" with friends on the 4th.

Sad to be reminded how the same kind of men America's founders battled for our nation's independence now occupy the WH.

[BroncoBuff]

He's trying to appeal to the rest of the GOP base.

As we get closer to November, they will all be marching in lockstep with the Rove playbook.
Yes they will.

I suppose there's a parallel here ... Dan Rather making news out of the phony GWB military records. Like TexanBob, Dan Rather made the mistake of believing a forgery. But unlike Rather, you can count on TB to make many, many more similar mistakes.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yes they will.

I suppose there's a parallel here ... Dan Rather making news out of the phony GWB military records. Like TexanBob, Dan Rather made the mistake of believing a forgery. But unlike Rather, you can count on TB to make many, many more similar mistakes.

The difference is that although the origins of the CBS memo were in question the substance its claims were not.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

McCain Surrenders to Rove; Obama Plays Retro Politics (http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/15658)

The possibility is growing for a wholesale public revolt against everyone in Washington, with the nominees of both parties giving away their specialness as political brands.


John McCain is the worst offender, following Bush 44 policies and now bringing in the Karl Rove team to run his campaign. Barack Obama similarly has made so many tactical moves away from his primary campaign that one needs a scorecard to keep track.


McCain on energy sounds like J.R. Ewing from “Dallas.” He plays the pander-of-the-week on issues and his maverick brand is in tatters. He is strangely moving to the right from the right. McCain will not solve his problem; he will decisively destroy his brand by bringing in the Rove team, which suggests he is now reduced to nothing more than demeaning Obama.

[baja]

Try Atkins ... I'm on Atkins "Induction Phase" right now. Having roasted pork medallions wit shredded Mozarella cheese on top. Mmmmmm :thumbs:

You kidden Atkins died of heart failure you think I'm going to follow his diet besides I'm a vegetarian, living foodest actually.

[BroncoBuff]

You kidden Atkins died of heart failure you think I'm going to follow his diet besides I'm a vegetarian, living foodest actually.
Well, actually Dr. Atkins himself died when he fell on the ice on a NYC sidewalk and bashed his head.

But you're right about vegetarianism ... you can't do Atkins as a vegetarian.

[baja]

Here's the new eating plan that is all the rage;

http://www.foodnsport.com/811/index.html

The Ratio for Humans … By Design
People ask me how the 80/10/10 diet can apply equally well to people of all ages, sizes, activity levels, etc. “Aren’t we all individuals, with different nutritional requirements and different bodily makeups?” they ask.

Despite all the hype about metabolic typing, I do not believe this ratio varies to any appreciable degree on the basis of our individual needs. (See the sidebar entitled “What about individual differences?” on page 242.)

Like high-performance race cars, the human body is designed to get its best results from a very specific fuel mixture. Think about it: can you find any example in nature of a mammalian species
whose individual members eat foods from completely different categories, based upon their blood type, their geographical location, their metabolic type, or any other factor? Can you imagine a “kapha” bear eating more fat than a “pitta” bear? Or a “fast-oxidizing”monkey avoiding bananas because they are too high in sugar? This is nonsense.


Don't let anyone tell you that humans are the one exception in the animal kingdom.
The fact is, Nature has seen fit to provide the ideal food for every creature on Earth, and all creatures of similar type eat similarly. For example, horses—and all creatures that look like horses (zebras, donkeys, mules)—eat from essentially the same category of foods—those for which their biological systems were designed. Do not let anyone tell you that humans are the one exception to this rule (called the law of similars) in all of the animal kingdom, for there are no exceptions: animals that are anatomically and physiologically similar thrive on similar foods. Cows eat grass, leopards eat meat, and hummingbirds eat nectar. There is simply no need to complicate this simple program, presented in perfection by nature in thousands of examples.

All of the creatures that are anatomically and physiologically like us (known as the anthropoid primates: gorillas, orangutans, chimpanzees, and bonobos) thrive on a low-fat diet that is predominated by fruits and vegetables. Their caloronutrient ratios closely approximate 80/10/10. With the exception of the gorilla, whose great weight makes it almost impossible to climb the skinny branches of trees to procure fruit, they get more than 80% of their calories from the carbohydrates in fruit. The combined caloronutrient average for chimpanzees, bonobos, and orangutans is about 88/7/5. Add in the gorilla’s numbers, which come closer to 70% carbohydrate, and the average decreases, making the ratio almost exactly 80/10/10 for all of our anthropoid relatives.

The actual foods humans eat differ according to season, geography, availability, personal preference, etc., but not according to anything pertaining to our physiology. The total number of calories each person needs varies according to many factors, including gender, size, age, activity level, fitness goals, health status, and so forth. But the ratio of carbohydrates to protein to fats we need remains relatively the same. This is true regardless of the dietary specifics, food choices, or total volume consumed. As I explain in Chapter 5, no amount of adaptation or relocation has changed the basic digestive physiology with which we have been endowed since the beginning of time.

[alkemical]

http://static.flickr.com/102/291797208_7e29a6534f.jpg

I think he likes flock of seagulls...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Another lefty extravaganza! Hear, hear!

[alkemical]

Seriously man, if you'd just laugh it off - it wouldn't be so funny.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Seriously man, if you'd just laugh it off - it wouldn't be so funny.

Just laugh it off? Laugh what off?

[alkemical]

All of it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

All of it.

All of what?

[alkemical]

It

[epicSocialism4tw]

It

Okay. Whatever. I have no idea what you are talking about.

[alkemical]

You take everything so seriously.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You take everything so seriously.

How would you know?

[alkemical]

How would you know?

Uhm, have you read your own posts?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Uhm, have you read your own posts?

You are reading messages on a message board. Forgive me if my smilie qoutient is abnormally low.

Sarcasm is something that doesnt come across well in this environment.

But I am glad that you guys are concerned over the state of my humor.

[baja]

But I am glad that you guys are concerned over the state of my humor

I'm not

[alkemical]

Well, it's an important State. Maybe THE most important state. Not the greatest nation though...that's Urination.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm not

Youre not glad that you are concerned about the state of my humor?

Cheer up, buttercup.

Were all giggles and smiles in this thread.

[baja]

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