Proposal Would Rename SF Sewage Plant After Bush

[Taco John]

Proposal Would Rename SF Sewage Plant After Bush

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5 / KCBS) ― San Francisco voters may get the chance this November to make their city the first in the nation to name something after President Bush. However, it is not necessarily an honor the president would appreciate.

"San Francisco voters, help rename a sewage treatment plant after George W. Bush," announced Michael Jacinto, co-chair of the self-named San Francisco Presidential Memorial Commission, and gathering thousands of petition signatures. "To rename the Oceanside Wastewater Treatment Facility the George W. Bush Sewage Plant," he explained.

As of Monday, Jacinto's group already has more than 8,000 signatures needed by July 7th to qualify for this November's ballot.

Jacinto insists it's more than a simple pipe dream. "Just because it's funny doesn't mean it's not real," he offered. "And I feel like, you know, the political process could use a little bit of humor now and then."

San Francisco Republican Party Chairman Howard Epstein said it is a smear campaign and a waste of money.

"This is just some far-left loonies trying to play games with the city," Epstein said. "This is not going to go down without a fight."

The people who work the treatment plant find it insulting.

"It's not amusing to me, nor my folks who are true professionals," said Assistant Manager Tommy Moala. "And a lot of them have been here since the plant went online. They run it 24/7, 365 days a year."

Some residents were only too happy to sign the petition. "It seems like a good way to commemorate one of the people who is the most full of what's in the sewage plant," suggested James Chiancini.

http://cbs5.com/local/sewage.plant.bush.2.753368.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hilarious!

I love it!

[cutthemdown]

It is funny but really just another example of people wasting time when we should be voting on more important things. You can't tell me re-naming this sewage plant to lampoon Bush will in any way help anyone. Not to mention it sounds like the people who work there don't like the idea.

Why not name it ------- HEY KOBE!!!!! HOWS MY ASS TASTE?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It is funny but really just another example of people wasting time when we should be voting on more important things.

Not necessarily.

Doing something like this does not necessarily preclude getting other, more important things done at the same time.

You can't tell me re-naming this sewage plant to lampoon Bush will in any way help anyone.


Does it have to 'help' anyone?

Why can't it just be for fun?

It would probably help a lot of people heal from Bush's assault on America insofar as laughter is the best medicine. :D

[W*GS]

Let's be honest and just rename #2 as "Bush", as in, "Damn Taco Bell - I gotta go take a Bush again!"

[alkemical]

I do like that idea W*gs.

[Hotrod]

San Fran is a sewage plant

[enjolras]

San Fran is a sewage plant

Clueless.

Its easily one of Americas greatest cities. Its something all Americans should look on with a measure of pride. Its a cultural center. Its the epicenter of our modern day dominance of technology. Its a testament to the will of the American people (see: the fire of 1906).

P.S: Ya, those pesky liberals in San Fran are actual Americans just like you.

[Hotrod]

Clueless.

Its easily one of Americas greatest cities. Its something all Americans should look on with a measure of pride. Its a cultural center. Its the epicenter of our modern day dominance of technology. Its a testament to the will of the American people (see: the fire of 1906).

P.S: Ya, those pesky liberals in San Fran are actual Americans just like you.

dickless

SF is full of pot smoking hippy liberals and can fall into the sea for all I really care.

[alkemical]

dickless

SF is full of pot smoking hippy liberals and can fall into the sea for all I really care.


You do care, or you wouldn't hate them.

[cutthemdown]

Not necessarily.

Doing something like this does not necessarily preclude getting other, more important things done at the same time.



Does it have to 'help' anyone?

Why can't it just be for fun?

It would probably help a lot of people heal from Bush's assault on America insofar as laughter is the best medicine. :D

I agree things can be done just for fun. As long as no money is spent on it I guess it's not a waste and I have no problem with liberals wanting to have some fun.

[baja]

Sad that this is the best America can do to a president that caused such grave damage to our country

[Hotrod]

You do care, or you wouldn't hate them.

Dont go getting all deep with me :)

[alkemical]

hehehe

[Dudeskey]

Let's be honest and just rename #2 as "Bush", as in, "Damn Taco Bell - I gotta go take a Bush again!"

I like it, but what would that make Cheney?™

[alkemical]

I like it, but what would that make Cheney?™

Dude, he's already a Dick....

[Dudeskey]

Dude, he's already a Dick....

lol... yeah but... nevermind

[alkemical]

lol... yeah but... nevermind

lol

[Bob]

Clueless.

Its easily one of Americas greatest cities. Its something all Americans should look on with a measure of pride. Its a cultural center. Its the epicenter of our modern day dominance of technology. Its a testament to the will of the American people (see: the fire of 1906).

P.S: Ya, those pesky liberals in San Fran are actual Americans just like you.

Except they hate everything the founding fathers believed, and would undermine America's sovergn right to govern herself and give it to illegals and the UN... ;)

[alkemical]

Clueless.

Its easily one of Americas greatest cities. Its something all Americans should look on with a measure of pride. Its a cultural center. Its the epicenter of our modern day dominance of technology. Its a testament to the will of the American people (see: the fire of 1906).

P.S: Ya, those pesky liberals in San Fran are actual Americans just like you.

Except they hate everything the founding fathers believed, and would undermine America's sovergn right to govern herself and give it to illegals and the UN... ;)


Oh i think the "conservatives" have sold the country out just as much.

**** it, i just hate you all. **** you all, i hope you all die in a rotten pool of melted mercury that was pissed on by demon unicorns, and that you all die of the rare genital melting form of syphilis crab monkeys.

There, i said it.

[Play2win]

Thats going to be BUSH's only legacy... every sewage plant in America will be named after his sh*t

[Bob]

Oh i think the "conservatives" have sold the country out just as much.

Many Republicans have sold us out -- yup.

**** it, i just hate you all. **** you all, i hope you all die in a rotten pool of melted mercury that was pissed on by demon unicorns, and that you all die of the rare genital melting form of syphilis crab monkeys.

There, i said it.

Just so long as that pool of Mercury is not anywhere on Mother Earth?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I agree things can be done just for fun. As long as no money is spent on it I guess it's not a waste and I have no problem with liberals wanting to have some fun.

You're not suggesting that everyone who disapproves of Bush is a liberal, I hope?

~75% of Americans are liberals?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Clueless.


Indeed.

He is living proof that Bush is the patron saint of the willfully ignorant.

:mullet1:

[kappys]

You're not suggesting that everyone who disapproves of Bush is a liberal, I hope?

~75% of Americans are liberals?

I think that statement is remarkably true when you look at polling data. In fact by polling data most Americans are liberal or "left" of the Democratic party as well which is only a shade left of the Republicans.

75% majorities exist for US pullout of Iraq, Universal Healthcare, Nuclear arms disarmament treaties, Unilateral disarmament should effective treaties not be made, decreasing pentagon expenditures, increasing social spending(particulaly on public works), immigration control, etc.. A mjority though I don't think 75%(50-60%) believe in increasing UN influence/control, world court to adjudicate war crimes including US war crimes. A less than 50% group(I think 1/3 if I recall correctly) even supported giving up the Security council veto/dissolving the security council.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think that statement is remarkably true when you look at polling data. In fact by polling data most Americans are liberal or "left" of the Democratic party as well which is only a shade left of the Republicans.

75% majorities exist for US pullout of Iraq, Universal Healthcare, Nuclear arms disarmament treaties, Unilateral disarmament should effective treaties not be made, decreasing pentagon expenditures, increasing social spending(particulaly on public works), immigration control, etc.. A mjority though I don't think 75%(50-60%) believe in increasing UN influence/control, world court to adjudicate war crimes including US war crimes. A less than 50% group(I think 1/3 if I recall correctly) even supported giving up the Security council veto/dissolving the security council.

QFT.

Great post - sometimes it's easy to forget all of the above when the corporate/mainstream media does its best not to mention such facts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Hotrod]

Indeed.

He is living proof that Bush is the patron saint of the willfully ignorant.

:mullet1:


4 More years 4 more years

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Proposed George W. Bush Sewage Plant makes ballot

<!-- BEGIN STORY BODY --> Thu Jul 17, 8:27 PM ET

<!-- end storyhdr --> SAN FRANCISCO - A measure seeking to commemorate President Bush's years in office by slapping his name on a San Francisco sewage plant has qualified for the November ballot.

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Supporters say the idea is to commemorate the mess they claim Bush has left behind by actions such as the war in Iraq.

Local Republicans say the plan stinks and they will oppose it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080718/ap_on_fe_st/presidential_putdown

[cutthemdown]

You're not suggesting that everyone who disapproves of Bush is a liberal, I hope?

~75% of Americans are liberals?

did 75% of America vote for this sewage plant to be renamed? I don't think so. This is a small group of liberals doing this. I don't think 75% would agree with wasting time and voting infrastructure on this would they? San Fran is a liberal area and that's why this is going on. To imply that it's not the case is a joke.

[cutthemdown]

I think that statement is remarkably true when you look at polling data. In fact by polling data most Americans are liberal or "left" of the Democratic party as well which is only a shade left of the Republicans.

75% majorities exist for US pullout of Iraq, Universal Healthcare, Nuclear arms disarmament treaties, Unilateral disarmament should effective treaties not be made, decreasing pentagon expenditures, increasing social spending(particulaly on public works), immigration control, etc.. A mjority though I don't think 75%(50-60%) believe in increasing UN influence/control, world court to adjudicate war crimes including US war crimes. A less than 50% group(I think 1/3 if I recall correctly) even supported giving up the Security council veto/dissolving the security council.

really? Can you prove these numbers or are you just guessing? Since when do we get to just put % and have it be so?

[cutthemdown]

Also it's how you ask the question that matter.

If I ask do you support socialized medicine where the govt sets the price and what doctor you can see. How many people will then answer yes?

If you just say do we need healthcare reform and universal healthcare, then they will like it much more. Universal? hell what could be bad about universal healthcare. You use that buzzword universal and people will like it more.

[Bronco Jamus]

Universal Healthcare will lead to socalized Medicine.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Universal Healthcare will lead to socalized Medicine.


Right-Wing Health Care Mythology

by Joe Conason (http://www.observer.com/author/joe-conason) | October 9, 2007

This article was published in the October 15, 2007, edition of The New York Observer.


<!--meta--> Once among the most frightening and effective epithets in American political culture, “socialized medicine” seems to have lost its juju. These days, that phrase sounds awfully dated, like a song on a gramophone or a mother-in-law joke or a John Birch Society rant against fluoridated water.

Yet despite their antique quality, the old buzzwords still appear regularly in columns, press releases and speeches. Rudolph Giuliani, Mitt Romney and the rest of the Republican presidential pack run around squawking about socialism whenever anyone proposes to reform the broken health care system.

Syndicated columnist Robert Novak warns that the federally financed, state-run Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) is essentially a socialist conspiracy. So does President Bush, who has threatened to veto a modest increase in that program’s funding because he doesn’t want to “federalize health care.”

Although the red threat can still trigger an autonomic reaction among the party’s true believers, the rest of the country simply no longer twitches to that high-pitched, far-right whistle. Most polls not only show enormous majorities favoring the extension of health coverage to every child regardless of ability to pay, but substantial support for a radical change in how we pay and administer health insurance—including the possibility of a single-payer system overseen by government.

Why doesn’t the traditional propaganda work any more? Perhaps the demise of the Soviet Union and the withering of Communism in Communist China have had a delayed effect on public attitudes in this country. Both the Russians and the Chinese have turned more capitalist than the West, abandoning their former systems without substituting modern democratic protections, leading to predictably bad consequences. As unbridled capitalists, the ex-Communists are more of a threat to the health of their own societies than to us.

Most Americans may also have noticed that corporate bureaucracy and corruption, which both figure largely in the present health care system, are not preferable to government bureaucracy. The same doctors who used to wail about the dangers of Medicare have learned how unpleasant it is to deal with dozens of insurance companies, each of which is creating different rules to cut costs and deny care as often as possible. So have their patients.
This corporate model is more expensive and less efficient than the government plans that provide care in every other industrialized nation.

And most Americans may have learned by now that such systems prevail in Western countries that aren’t normally categorized as “socialist,” including the United Kingdom, Japan, Spain, Canada, Germany, France, Denmark, Norway and Sweden. All these nations manage to provide their citizens with high living standards, industrial and technological innovation, and broad political and economic freedom, even after 50 years of national health insurance in some form.

Meanwhile, the credibility of conservatives has diminished steadily.
These days they seem to have trouble achieving clarity on the meaning of their favorite clichés. For instance, the president hates federalized health care, but sponsors a Medicare prescription drug program that wastes hundreds of billions on drug companies and private insurers.

Right-wing definitions no longer seem so clear, either. When the government awards a billion dollars in sweetheart mercenary contracts to a wealthy Republican family in Michigan, that’s “private enterprise.” But when the government helps a struggling middle-class family in Maryland to send its children to the doctor, that’s creeping socialism.



Continued :
(http://www.observer.com/2007/right-wing-health-care-mythology?page=0%2C1)


http://www.observer.com/2007/right-wing-health-care-mythology

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

did 75% of America vote for this sewage plant to be renamed? I don't think so. This is a small group of liberals doing this. I don't think 75% would agree with wasting time and voting infrastructure on this would they? San Fran is a liberal area and that's why this is going on. To imply that it's not the case is a joke.

That wasn't the point.

The point was that the ~75% of Americans who do not approve of your boy Bush are not all liberals.

[Play2win]

socialized medicine would be better than oligarchical medicine...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

socialized medicine would be better than oligarchical medicine...

Exactly.

We've tried it the "let's privatize everything" advocates' way for the last eight years, and the results have been increasingly out-of-control health care costs (to go with the out-of-control oil prices and everything else.)

[Spider]

did 75% of America vote for this sewage plant to be renamed? I don't think so. This is a small group of liberals doing this. I don't think 75% would agree with wasting time and voting infrastructure on this would they? San Fran is a liberal area and that's why this is going on. To imply that it's not the case is a joke.

Dont need 75% of the people , just 75% of people in San Fransico ...... local community Issue , it is their ****ing sewage plant .........

[cutthemdown]

Dont need 75% of the people , just 75% of people in San Fransico ...... local community Issue , it is their ****ing sewage plant .........

Yeah but I was responding to LABF. I said what a bunch of Liberals caring about naming a stupid sewage plant when the peeps who work there oppose it. He fired back with it's not liberals doing this, 75% of america is against Bush. My point was that it wasn't 75% of America voting on this, it's a small group of Liberals trying to get this done at the expense of the Bush and the people who work at the plant.

I agree this local, liberal community, can do what they want.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah but I was responding to LABF. I said what a bunch of Liberals caring about naming a stupid sewage plant when the peeps who work there oppose it. He fired back with it's not liberals doing this, 75% of america is against Bush. My point was that it wasn't 75% of America voting on this, it's a small group of Liberals trying to get this done at the expense of the Bush and the people who work at the plant.

I agree this local, liberal community, can do what they want.

Your original post implied that only liberals didn't approve of Bush.

I called BS.

[cutthemdown]

That wasn't the point.

The point was that the ~75% of Americans who do not approve of your boy Bush are not all liberals.

yes but we are talking about a small locality that is voting on a local issue. Don't go straying from the point. The 75% of Americans who disapprove of the way Bush has handled the job would not be 75% in favor of renaming this plant. You don't know that anyways because its a local issue.

[cutthemdown]

My point stands, the people pushing this issue are a bunch of liberals.

I will concede though the 75% who don't approve of Bush are a mix of all.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

yes but we are talking about a small locality that is voting on a local issue. Don't go straying from the point. The 75% of Americans who disapprove of the way Bush has handled the job would not be 75% in favor of renaming this plant. You don't know that anyways because its a local issue.

OK - let's play your way:

Are you claiming that if you live in SF and if you do not support Bush then you are a liberal?

[Arkie]

If the proud people working at this plant hate Bush, why would they want their plant named the George W. Bush Sewage Plant?

The Oceanside Wastewater Treatment Facility sounds better.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

...why would they want their plant named the George W. Bush Sewage Plant?

I know it would put a smile on my face when I arrived to work each day. :D

[BroncoBuff]

The unveiling of the new GW sign on this sewage plant will be an excellent Christmas present to all.

[kappys]

really? Can you prove these numbers or are you just guessing? Since when do we get to just put % and have it be so?

Sorry hadn't looked at this thread for a long time so I missed this post. Go to www.worldpublicopinion.org. Its the link for the Program on International Policy Attitudes which does extensive surveys of populations across the world. It is run out of the University of Maryland. It is a pity how few of the polls get reported. Anways the numbers I mentioned are largely from there(I am unaware of other polling agencies that ask the same questions).

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

Bush Defended from Malodorous Tribute in WSJ

In one of the more asinine posts I have read lately the Wall Street Journal today ran an opinion piece titled "The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122584386627599251.html)," which I recommend to anyone needing a real howler to start the day after the stress and tension of a long and rancorous election season.

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro begins the piece by castigating San Franciscans for naming a sewage treatment plant (http://cbs2.com/politics/George.Bush.President.2.843151.html) after Bush which which calls "one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president."

I see a more delicious, if malodorous, whimsical irony in the "tribute" than disrespect or cruelty. But that's just me.

He decries Bush's record low approval ratings as if surprised that the public, the world and his own party would run screaming in revulsion from an arrogant and incompetent sociopath who has personally done so much to bring about the death, destruction displacement and impoverishment of so many.

Shapiro's plaintive cry, "What must our enemies be thinking?," has an easy answer from this point of view, his enemies appreciate him somewhat less than his "friends."

Shapiro's claim that Bush has been a bipartisan who has "reached out" to his political opponents must come from some parallel reality in Shapiro's tabloid imagination. There is no room in the mind of George Bush for concepts more complex than "us or them," or "for us or against us."

In Bush's mind the "forces of good" are represented by his "base" the bloated "haves" and the obscene "have mores," who so desperately want the oil and any other treasure that the "evil doers" are sitting on, and have commissioned young Bush to be the front man in their 21st century neo colonial resource "crusade."

He claims that Bush's "bipartisan efforts have been met with crushing resistance from both political parties. "Bi partisan? Not Bush, bi polar perhaps but never bi partisan.

Shapiro believes that Bush was unfairly treated in his manipulation of the judiciary.
[Bush's] "Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats.While decrying activist judges he proceeded to stack the supreme court with people guaranteed to take action against laws that have not only been on the books for decades, but have withstood a nearly continuous barrage of legal challenges. His appointments to the court have been purely political but the judicial activism of the right, of the oligarchs and theocrats among Bush's base is acceptable, the other sixty or seventy percent of the country be damned.

Having warmed to his lament Shapiro keens:
It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously disappointing the right. Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them.

Refugees?, orphans?, no, I don't blame these on Bush, he simply worked overtime to create millions of new ones. Wrecked economy? No, Bush didn't invent greed, he just enjoyed it so much that he helped to create a regulatory climate where it was seen as less venal and more fashionable, grand theft as the noblesse oblige of trickle down economics. Besides, the taxpayers will replace any shortfall from the bottom up. Creative socialism begins at the top you know and trickles down.

Original sin? No, the radical right pretty much pinned that on Bill Clinton a decade ago.
Like the president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us.

I'm curious, did he utter that before or after he declared the Constitution to be "just a goddamned piece of paper." Wasn't there also something about "one ring to bind them?"

Shapiro attempts to link Bush's "legacy" with Harry Truman in terms of poll numbers, and because Truman's stock has retroactively risen in our historical consciousness, he attempts to coattail Gerge W on the waistcoat of Harry S; where are the cartoonists when you really need them?

Not waiting for the laughter to subside, Shapiro charges like the Light Brigade to this stunning close:
The treatment President Bush has received from this country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue leading our nation during a very difficult time. Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House.

We, I take that to include me, "lack character and resolve," have "slandered" and treated George Bush cruelly, have been "disloyal" and are guilty of "arrogance and weakness that will haunt this nation ....." And so on.

In fact, George Bush's approval ratings far overestimate the man. The fact that he will probably retire to some gated brush pile of a "ranch" to live out his days as an extremely wealthy, carefully protected, moderately amusing if slightly goofy statesman of the harebrained right, and not in the prison cell he has earned for his wretched performance, is testimony to the incredible forbearance of the public he so mistreated.

WSJ says:
Mr. Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004.I suspect that Mr. Shapiro might have written this from a private and padded cell somewhere while recovering from his delusions, and the last statement goes a long way toward helping me to understand the Kerry debacle.

Bob Higgins

Worldwide Sawdust (http://www.worldwide-sawdust.com/)

[Rohirrim]

What about the "classless disrespect" Bush showed the American people?

I guess Bush can add this article to his presidential library, along with "My Pet Goat."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What about the "classless disrespect" Bush showed the American people?


Yep.

That this Shapiro dipsh*t would even suggest that a lying, thieving, murderous, sociopathic thug like Bush deserves "respect" is an affront to any human being with an I.Q. above 70 and a conscience.

[barryr]

Looks like the people of SF are real classy. Of course it's the same city that wants to harbor illegals and pedophiles, so what do you expect?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Looks like the people of SF are real classy. Of course it's the same city that wants to harbor illegals and pedophiles, so what do you expect?

Says the supporter of a party that harbors pedophiles (Mark Foley springs immediately to mind) and panders to the cheap labor conservatives who like illegals.

[alkemical]

What about the "classless disrespect" Bush showed the American people?

I guess Bush can add this article to his presidential library, along with "My Pet Goat."

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