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BABronco
01-24-2009, 12:09 AM
cops are way to heavy handed and our prisons need reform and reorganization.

agreed

TDmvp
01-31-2009, 02:54 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486108,00.html


really ? ....

cutthemdown
01-31-2009, 03:42 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486108,00.html


really ? ....

as bad as some police are that was my first thought. Even the most crass and brutal cops IMO won't be shooting a guy just for the hell of it, especially when his partner down so close to the suspect.

Either that or a clever defense to get out of a murder charge.

I would think this cops record comes into play. Any other complaints of unreasonable force? is he trigger happy.

watermock
01-31-2009, 03:50 AM
FBI: Burgeoning gangs behind up to 80% of U.S. crime
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Los Angeles Police Department officers question MS-13 members in 2007. The ubiquitous gang, which originated among Salvadoran refugees settling in L.A. in the 1980s, has spread to 42 states, with cells in suburban and rural areas.



MS-13 SPREADING

The violent Salvadoran gang MS-13 has cells, or "cliques," in 42 states. States reporting no MS-13 presence:

• Alaska
• Delaware
• Maine
• Minnesota
• North Dakota
• New Hampshire
• New Mexico
• Vermont

Source: FBI






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Criminal gangs in the USA have swelled to an estimated 1 million members responsible for up to 80% of crimes in communities across the nation, according to a gang threat assessment compiled by federal officials.
The major findings in a report by the Justice Department's National Gang Intelligence Center, which has not been publicly released, conclude gangs are the "primary retail-level distributors of most illicit drugs" and several are "capable" of competing with major U.S.-based Mexican drug-trafficking organizations.

"A rising number of U.S.-based gangs are seemingly intent on developing working relationships" with U.S. and foreign drug-trafficking organizations and other criminal groups to "gain direct access to foreign sources of illicit drugs," the report concludes.

The gang population estimate is up 200,000 since 2005.

Bruce Ferrell, chairman of the Midwest Gang Investigators Association, whose group monitors gang activity in 10 states, says the number of gang members may be even higher than the report's estimate.

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"We've seen an expansion for the last 10 years," says Ferrell, who has reviewed the report. "Each year, the numbers are moving forward."

'Growing threat' on the move

The report says about 900,000 gang members live "within local communities across the country," and about 147,000 are in U.S. prisons or jails.

"Most regions in the United States will experience increased gang membership … and increased gang-related criminal activity," the report concludes, citing a recent rise in gangs on the campuses of suburban and rural schools.

Among the report's other findings:

•Last year, 58% of state and local law enforcement agencies reported that criminal gangs were active in their jurisdictions, up from 45% in 2004.

•More gangs use the Internet, including encrypted e-mail, to recruit and to communicate with associates throughout the U.S. and other countries.

•Gangs, including outlaw motorcycle groups, "pose a growing threat" to law enforcement authorities along the U.S.-Canadian border. The U.S. groups are cooperating with Canadian gangs in various criminal enterprises, including drug smuggling.

Assistant FBI Director Kenneth Kaiser, the bureau's criminal division chief, says gangs have largely followed the migration paths of immigrant laborers.

He says the groups are moving to avoid the scrutiny of larger metropolitan police agencies in places such as Los Angeles. "These groups were hit hard in L.A." by law enforcement crackdowns, "but they are learning from it," Kaiser says.

MS-13 far-flung from L.A. incubator

One group that continues to spread despite law enforcement efforts is the violent Salvadoran gang known as MS-13.

Michael Sullivan, the departing director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, says the gang's dependence on shocking violence to advance extortion, prostitution and other criminal enterprises has frustrated attempts to infiltrate and disrupt the insular group's activities.

"MS-13's foothold in the U.S. is expanding," Sullivan says.

Kaiser says the street gang is in 42 states, up from 33 in 2005. "Enforcement efforts have been effective to a certain extent, but they (gang members) keep moving," he says.

MS-13 is the abbreviation for the gang also known as Mara Salvatrucha. The group gained national prominence in the 1980s in Los Angeles, where members were linked to incidents involving unusual brutality.

Since then, it has formed cells or "cliques" across the U.S., says Aaron Escorza, chief of the FBI's MS-13 National Gang Task Force.

The task force was launched in 2004 amid concerns about the gang's rapid spread. Gang members were targeted in broad investigations similar to those used to bust organized crime groups from Russia and Italy.

Among law enforcement efforts:

•Omaha: The last of 24 MS-13 members swept up on federal firearms charges and conspiracy to distribute methamphetamine were sentenced last year in the largest bust since the group emerged there in 2004.

The gang's strength dimmed as a result, but the nine-month probe did not eradicate the group, says Ferrell, who assisted in the investigation.

•Nashville: During the last two years, 14 MS-13 members pleaded guilty on charges ranging from murder to obstruction of justice.

Davidson County, Tenn., Sheriff Daron Hall, whose jurisdiction includes Nashville, says MS-13 started growing there about five years ago, corresponding with an influx of immigrant labor.

Last April, county officials began checking the immigration status of all arrestees. "We know we have removed about 100 gang members, including MS-13," to U.S. authorities for deportation, Hall says.

•Maryland: Earlier this month, federal authorities said they had convicted 42 MS-13 members since 2005. More than half were charged in a "racketeering conspiracy" in which members participated in robberies and beatings and arranged the murders of other gang members, according to Justice Department documents.

In one case, Maryland gang members allegedly discussed killing rivals with an MS-13 leader calling on a cellphone from a Salvadoran jail, the documents say.

Escorza says a "revolving door" on the border has kept the gang's numbers steady — about 10,000 in the U.S. — even as many illegal immigrant members are deported.

The FBI, which has two agents in El Salvador to help identify and track members in Central America and the United States, plans to dispatch four more agents to Guatemala and Honduras, Escorza says.

"They evolve and adapt," he says. "They know what law enforcement is doing. Word of mouth spreads quickly."

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Spider
01-31-2009, 07:20 AM
my theory is , the more non lethal weapons cops get , the more brutality we will get , cop is likely IMHO to use force , if the force isnt deadly , for example pulling out a service firearm and using it has dire consequences , such as investigations , mental trauma ,etc .. where as using a stun gun = no big deal ...
more cops with stun guns will use them instead of their managing skills ...guy gets mouthy with cop stun gun time and say he was resisting arrest ..... where as a cop only has a service firearm , he is more likely to talk you down and take control of the situation..........

Florida_Bronco
01-31-2009, 11:12 AM
as bad as some police are that was my first thought. Even the most crass and brutal cops IMO won't be shooting a guy just for the hell of it, especially when his partner down so close to the suspect.

Either that or a clever defense to get out of a murder charge.

I would think this cops record comes into play. Any other complaints of unreasonable force? is he trigger happy.

Agreed. I think the reactions of everyone there made it clear that he didn't intend to shoot the guy. Extremely negligent, but unintentional.

TailgateNut
01-31-2009, 01:26 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486108,00.html


really ? ....


That's a good one.ROFL!

alkemical
02-02-2009, 07:43 AM
my theory is , the more non lethal weapons cops get , the more brutality we will get , cop is likely IMHO to use force , if the force isnt deadly , for example pulling out a service firearm and using it has dire consequences , such as investigations , mental trauma ,etc .. where as using a stun gun = no big deal ...
more cops with stun guns will use them instead of their managing skills ...guy gets mouthy with cop stun gun time and say he was resisting arrest ..... where as a cop only has a service firearm , he is more likely to talk you down and take control of the situation..........

Dude, that's not just your theory - that's been studied now for sometime. I actually agree. The more nonlethal tools someone has at their disposal, the more frequently they are probably going to use them.

Spider
02-02-2009, 09:47 AM
Dude, that's not just your theory - that's been studied now for sometime. I actually agree. The more nonlethal tools someone has at their disposal, the more frequently they are probably going to use them. i am not shocked , I should have researched it ........ hell if people will study cow farts ,it should have dawned on me people would study this ;D

alkemical
02-02-2009, 10:36 AM
i am not shocked , I should have researched it ........ hell if people will study cow farts ,it should have dawned on me people would study this ;D

It started gaining traction after some well publicized "tazings".

Bronco Bob
02-03-2009, 08:28 PM
It started gaining traction after some well publicized "tazings".

Don't taze me, bro.

alkemical
02-04-2009, 06:44 AM
that being one of them.

cutthemdown
02-04-2009, 08:15 AM
would you rather cops not have tasers? They will just use batons more like the good ole days. Either way if cops want to put you down, they will put you down.

What we need is more and better training for police. Also they need be willing to fire the ones who are obviously not good at the job. I have several friends that are local cops and they tell me even if a guy is worst cop ever the union protects him and he keeps job. They don't fire them until they kill someone on accident or get caught on tape beating someone. Or get caught doing a crime etc.

If it's just people saying this cop beat me, other cops knowing the dude is heavy handed, that won't get you off force. The union protects all but the worst smoking gun type incident.

Florida_Bronco
02-04-2009, 09:05 AM
would you rather cops not have tasers? They will just use batons more like the good ole days. Either way if cops want to put you down, they will put you down.

What we need is more and better training for police. Also they need be willing to fire the ones who are obviously not good at the job. I have several friends that are local cops and they tell me even if a guy is worst cop ever the union protects him and he keeps job. They don't fire them until they kill someone on accident or get caught on tape beating someone. Or get caught doing a crime etc.

If it's just people saying this cop beat me, other cops knowing the dude is heavy handed, that won't get you off force. The union protects all but the worst smoking gun type incident.

Good point about the batons. The new ones they have now are aluminum and can break bones with relative ease. Personally, I'd much rather get hit with the taser and a few seconds of pain versus the baton.

More training is, IMO, not really feasible. The nationwide norm is around 10 months from the time a recruit begins the academy until the end of their field training. I don't think police departments are going to want to make any significant extensions on that, especially with the way this economy has hit them so hard.

BABronco
02-12-2009, 05:54 PM
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watermock
02-12-2009, 08:01 PM
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The cop sees that he is being taped and can see "Oh Sh!t" from his behavior.

TailgateNut
02-13-2009, 07:05 AM
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The cop sees that he is being taped and can see "Oh Sh!t" from his behavior.


Enter Fla.Bronco stage right.;)

TheReverend
02-13-2009, 07:14 AM
Seriously... wtf is wrong with people with a badge? Think that authority position makes them a big man despite the low income pay? Wtf... seriously?

ElwayMD
02-13-2009, 07:19 AM
Compare our police force to other police forces in the world. At least in this country 95% of the officers are actually out to preserve the law and protect the public. In the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Africa, South America, and parts of Asia people live in fear of the police since they are just extensions of their corrupt govt. and are worse than some of the criminals in those nations.

alkemical
02-13-2009, 07:30 AM
Seriously... wtf is wrong with people with a badge? Think that authority position makes them a big man despite the low income pay? Wtf... seriously?

Nah, they are just showing the citizens how free they are.

TailgateNut
02-13-2009, 07:37 AM
Compare our police force to other police forces in the world. At least in this country 95% of the officers are actually out to preserve the law and protect the public. In the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Africa, South America, and parts of Asia people live in fear of the police since they are just extensions of their corrupt govt. and are worse than some of the criminals in those nations.


That should justify this Officers' behavior?

alkemical
02-13-2009, 07:47 AM
http://www.unknownnews.org/cops.html

just a sample:

Cops you won't see on TV's COPS

Latest update: Feb. 11, 2009

Cop gets five years in prison for kiddie porn

Cops force kid to lie down on road and be run over

Police officer admits sexual assault at traffic stop

Former NYPD Sgt. admits sexual abuse of child

Los Angeles will pay $13-million to settle lawsuits over 2007 police riot

Cop gets seven years for sexual assault of two pre-teens

It was a joke, says cop's attorney at sentencing for pocketing $6,000 in planted money

Cop who lied to investrigators about drug-dealing connections gets home detention

Two New York cops are charged with framing innocent men on cocaine charges

Texas law lets cops steal anything they want

Police open fire on an unarmed couple during routine traffic stop

Cop convicted for robbing drug dealers before and after he was fired

Retired cop gets probation for committing lewd acts on six underage boys

City of Grand Forks pays $100,000 after cops force man to stand in dangerous cold

Cop is fined $1,200 for assaulting reporter in her home

Police officer convicted in theft case

Sudden deaths among people being held by police in California increased sixfold in the first year after police departments there began using Taser stun guns

Cop who boinked hooker gets "special probation"

Jury to decide fate of ex-cop accused of stealing from drug dealers

New York cops' raid on bar, vandalism and theft of cash all caught on video

Shoved Wal-Mart greeter sues suspended policeman

Killer cop in Oakland changes story, now says he was trying to taser victim when he shot and killed him instead

ElwayMD
02-13-2009, 09:49 AM
That should justify this Officers' behavior?

Did anything I write excuse the behavior of those officers? The answer...no. I was putting things in perspective. Stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't one. We probably have the worlds largest (don't know about china or India) police force and the amount of good officers greatly outnumbers the idiots who bring a bad name to cops. Of course it doesn't justify any bad behavior by police. Just be thankful that the corruption and abuse of power is not widespread like it is in many countries.

alkemical
02-13-2009, 10:42 AM
Did anything I write excuse the behavior of those officers? The answer...no. I was putting things in perspective. Stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't one. We probably have the worlds largest (don't know about china or India) police force and the amount of good officers greatly outnumbers the idiots who bring a bad name to cops. Of course it doesn't justify any bad behavior by police. Just be thankful that the corruption and abuse of power is not widespread like it is in many countries.

Yet...

TailgateNut
02-13-2009, 02:09 PM
Did anything I write excuse the behavior of those officers? The answer...no. I was putting things in perspective. Stop trying to pick a fight where there isn't one. We probably have the worlds largest (don't know about china or India) police force and the amount of good officers greatly outnumbers the idiots who bring a bad name to cops. Of course it doesn't justify any bad behavior by police. Just be thankful that the corruption and abuse of power is not widespread like it is in many countries.

I was just another "we have it better than" ......excuse for behavior which should not and cannot be tolerated regardless of how often it occurs.
Don't get your panties in a wad.

Paladin
02-13-2009, 02:15 PM
http://www.unknownnews.org/cops.html

just a sample:

Cops you won't see on TV's COPS

Latest update: Feb. 11, 2009

Cop gets five years in prison for kiddie porn

Cops force kid to lie down on road and be run over

Police officer admits sexual assault at traffic stop

Former NYPD Sgt. admits sexual abuse of child

Los Angeles will pay $13-million to settle lawsuits over 2007 police riot

Cop gets seven years for sexual assault of two pre-teens

It was a joke, says cop's attorney at sentencing for pocketing $6,000 in planted money

Cop who lied to investrigators about drug-dealing connections gets home detention

Two New York cops are charged with framing innocent men on cocaine charges

Texas law lets cops steal anything they want

Police open fire on an unarmed couple during routine traffic stop

Cop convicted for robbing drug dealers before and after he was fired

Retired cop gets probation for committing lewd acts on six underage boys

City of Grand Forks pays $100,000 after cops force man to stand in dangerous cold

Cop is fined $1,200 for assaulting reporter in her home

Police officer convicted in theft case

Sudden deaths among people being held by police in California increased sixfold in the first year after police departments there began using Taser stun guns

Cop who boinked hooker gets "special probation"

Jury to decide fate of ex-cop accused of stealing from drug dealers

New York cops' raid on bar, vandalism and theft of cash all caught on video

Shoved Wal-Mart greeter sues suspended policeman

Killer cop in Oakland changes story, now says he was trying to taser victim when he shot and killed him instead

I never knew the National Inquirer carried such "interesting" stories!!!! All I ever heard was they wrote a lot about Roswell.......

alkemical
02-16-2009, 08:03 AM
I never knew the National Inquirer carried such "interesting" stories!!!! All I ever heard was they wrote a lot about Roswell.......

At least we know you are summers eve fresh.

BABronco
02-19-2009, 08:31 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/21856891/cop_tasers_crying_driver.htm

Havent found the youtube for this one yet. It personally made me sick.

BABronco
02-19-2009, 08:40 PM
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figure i might as well post something funny.

BABronco
02-19-2009, 08:49 PM
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back to serious

Bronco Bob
02-20-2009, 09:52 PM
If you want to see a fun movie about the Los Angeles police department
in the late 1920's, check out the movie Changeling, starring Angelina Jolie
and directed by Clint Eastwood.

BABronco
02-20-2009, 11:23 PM
If you want to see a fun movie about the Los Angeles police department
in the late 1920's, check out the movie Changeling, starring Angelina Jolie
and directed by Clint Eastwood.

Checked it out and then read most of the case reports. Really sickening.

TailgateNut
02-21-2009, 06:15 AM
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figure i might as well post something funny.

That about sum's it up!Hilarious!

BABronco
02-27-2009, 04:39 PM
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Dukes
02-27-2009, 05:17 PM
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back to serious

That is fing disgusting

BABronco
02-27-2009, 05:43 PM
That is fing disgusting

true that ... i can't believe he was convicted of two counts of assaulting an officer

Dukes
02-27-2009, 06:09 PM
true that ... i can't believe he was convicted of two counts of assaulting an officer

His attorney must not have been bright enough to get this video into evidence.

BABronco
02-28-2009, 11:56 AM
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If you administered this type of a punishment as a parent you would be spending many many years behind bars.

BABronco
02-28-2009, 02:24 PM
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/025593.html

February 28, 2009
Our Domestic Torture State: Hero Cop Beats Teenage Girl in Seattle
Posted by William Grigg at February 28, 2009 01:11 AM

Deputy Paul Schene of the King County Sheriff's Department, an eight-year law enforcement veteran, was videotaped beating a 15-year-old in a holding cell last November. The video was pried out of police hands just days ago by a Seattle television station that filed an official request under Washington's open records law.

After being arrested and booked on a charge of auto theft (the car belongs to her parents, and she was a passenger, not the driver), the teenager displayed a "lippy" disposition toward Schene and another officer. As the door to her cell was being closed, she was ordered to remove her shoes. She complied by kicking one of them in Schene's direction.

Perhaps Schene is well-versed in Arab culture and perceived this to be a grave insult to his masculinity, such as it is. In any case, he charged into the cell, kicked her in the stomach, slammed the girl's head against the wall, threw the girl (who weighed roughly half of what he did) face-first to the floor, and -- with the assistance of his fellow tax-feeder -- handcuffed her while striking her twice to the back to the head.

Once she was shackled, the girl was pulled to her feet and dragged out of the cell by her hair:

In his official report, Schene did what police almost always do in such circumstances: He lied, in the serene (albeit misplaced) confidence that nobody would review the video from the holding cell, or at least take it seriously.

Schene claimed that the girl "provided resistance and failure to comply with instructions"; in fact, it was her compliance with instructions that precipitated the beating. The deputy wrote that his response was merely to "place" her in handcuffs, while omitting mention of kicking her in the stomach, beating her head against the wall, hitting her twice while she was prone and pinned down by two men twice her size, and then dragging her out by her hair.

He also reported that the shoe hurled by the detainee injured him so severely that he -- fragile, delicate creature that he is -- had to be treated at a nearby hospital. If that injury occurred, it was entirely self-inflicted: The video shows him banging his shin against the toilet as he attacked the terrified girl.

The video record documents that after the assault the girl, who understandably had difficulty breathing, required medical treatment. Schene described the treatment as necessary to deal with a "panic attack," a dishonest way of describing the reaction of a traumatized teenage girl to being gang-beaten by two adult males.

The video was discovered weeks later by a detective assigned to investigate the auto theft. Schene has been charged with fourth-degree assault, a gross misdemeanor with a maximum penalty of one year in jail.

Several years ago, Schene shot and killed an unarmed, mentally disturbed man following a traffic stop that degenerated into a "knock-down, drag-out" fight. The shooting was ruled "justifiable." Shortly after that incident, he was stopped for driving under the influence (apparently of prescription medication). He was given a deferred sentence and placed on probation, so that he could continue to bless the people of King County with his singular professionalism.

cutthemdown
02-28-2009, 08:33 PM
Jesus that girl got it worst then the guy who threw his shoes at Bush.

I'd have to say that was excessive force but I'm sure Flabronco will be along to tell us because she kicked shoes and then resisted she got what she deserved.

watermock
03-01-2009, 12:26 AM
Obama's plan has pigs salivating for more recruits. Especially more roadside checkpoints. Cops are salivating about potential incresed revenue.

Bronco Bob
03-12-2009, 12:03 AM
Here's one for the dump on the cops thread.

Highway robbery? Texas police seize black motorists' cash, cars

Suit says cops force motorists, largely black, to forfeit cash and cars—or be charged with trumped-up crimes


A Texas senator aims to rein in search-and-seizure practices like those used in Tenaha, where scores have been targeted but never charged with any crime.
TENAHA, Texas— You can drive into this dusty fleck of a town near the Texas-Louisiana border if you're African-American, but you might not be able to drive out of it—at least not with your car, your cash, your jewelry or other valuables.

That's because the police here allegedly have found a way to strip motorists, many of them black, of their property without ever charging them with a crime. Instead they offer out-of-towners a grim choice: voluntarily sign over your belongings to the town, or face felony charges of money laundering or other serious crimes.

More than 140 people reluctantly accepted that deal from June 2006 to June 2008, according to court records. Among them were a black grandmother from Akron, who surrendered $4,000 in cash after Tenaha police pulled her over, and an interracial couple from Houston, who gave up more than $6,000 after police threatened to seize their children and put them into foster care, the court documents show. Neither the grandmother nor the couple were charged with any crime.

Officials in Tenaha, situated along a heavily traveled highway connecting Houston with popular gambling destinations in Louisiana, say they are engaged in a battle against drug trafficking and call the search-and-seizure practice a legitimate use of the state's asset-forfeiture law. That law permits local police agencies to keep drug money and other property used in the commission of a crime and add the proceeds to their budgets.
"We try to enforce the law here," said George Bowers, mayor of the town of 1,046 residents, where boarded-up businesses outnumber open ones and City Hall sports a broken window. "We're not doing this to raise money. That's all I'm going to say at this point."

But civil rights lawyers call Tenaha's practice something else: highway robbery. The attorneys have filed a federal class-action lawsuit to stop what they contend is an unconstitutional perversion of the law's intent, aimed primarily at blacks who have done nothing wrong.

Tenaha officials "have developed an illegal 'stop and seize' practice of targeting, stopping, detaining, searching and often seizing property from apparently non-white citizens and those traveling with non-white citizens," asserts the lawsuit, which was filed in U.S. District Court in the Eastern District of Texas.

The property seizures are not just happening in Tenaha. In southern parts of Texas near the Mexican border, for example, Hispanics allege that they are being singled out.

According to a prominent state legislator, police agencies across Texas are wielding the asset-forfeiture law more aggressively to supplement their shrinking operating budgets.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-texas-profiling_wittmar10,0,6051682.story

BABronco
05-07-2009, 08:24 AM
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TheReverend
06-09-2009, 11:12 AM
CINCINNATI, OH -- A Blue Ash family is outraged after returning home to find their dog had been shot and killed by a police officer.

The dog was a Chihuahua-mix named ?Jack? that Scott and Sharon Bullock had given to their 12-year-old son for his birthday a few years ago.

When the Bullocks returned home from a family member's funeral on Friday, they found blood and three bullets on their front porch ? along with a note to call the Blue Ash Police Department about their dog.

The Bullocks were shocked to learn that Jack had gotten out of the backyard and two officers who tried to catch him, ended up shooting and killing him right on the family's front porch.

"He was cornered on the porch and scared," said Sharon Bullock. "The officer bent down bare-handed to pick up Jack, and Jack bit him."

"My five-year-old cried himself to sleep the night before last, wanting his dog," said Sharon Bullock.

"He ?barks? for him" added Scott Bullock. "He'd ?bark? and Jack would always come to him, so he's outside going ?Bark bark bark,? hoping he's gonna come back. It's heartbreaking."

The Bullocks told their five-year-old and three-year-old sons that Jack ran away.

The Bullocks admit they were at fault for leaving their dog outside, and are sorry the officer was bitten, but they say their dog was not a vicious animal and had never bitten anyone before.

They're wondering why the officers didn't call the SPCA to catch the dog.

"They didn't make that phone call other than to come scoop the dog off the porch after they shot him," said Scott Bullock. "Two grown men that can't gather up a five-pound dog ? and they're trained police officers ? sounds ridiculous to me."

That officer later explained to the family that he was following procedure.

The Blue Ash Police Department has not returned 9News? calls for comment on this incident.

The family says there were two officers involved. One was bitten. The other officer tased, then shot the dog three times.

http://www.wcpo.com/media/news/6/7/8/678c8aa3-f772-40d4-a537-997fbc8d3579/Story.jpg

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http://www.blueash.com/content/85/171/173/default.aspx

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Cops will serial killer tendencies... that's just great.

Cliffs:
5 lb chihuahua mix is outside.
Police are called.
Football sized dog bites one officer.
Other officer tazes then shoots the dog three ****ing times.
Wow.

TailgateNut
06-09-2009, 11:17 AM
Brave "MEN" in blue!

BABronco
06-09-2009, 03:33 PM
Brave "MEN" in blue!

I wouldn't want to mess with that beast. They should have shot it with a shotgun or atleast unloaded a full mag on the monster. For christ sake somebody could have been killed.

TailgateNut
06-10-2009, 06:53 AM
I wouldn't want to mess with that beast. They should have shot it with a shotgun or atleast unloaded a full mag on the monster. For christ sake somebody could have been killed.

A Bazooka might have slowed that mangy beast.

TheReverend
06-10-2009, 07:05 AM
I miss the days where we citizens could put together an angry mob, storm the PD, and make them give the idiot over to the people.

The people who invented nerve agents, tear gas, and riot gear are pussy assholes.

alkemical
06-10-2009, 07:58 AM
word to that rev.

cutthemdown
06-10-2009, 08:34 AM
Thank some neighbor for calling the police about a dog. I mean police aren't out patrolling looking for dogs.

In my neighborhood we try to handle things ourselves before we call the cops on a neighbor.

When you call people who carry guns you increase your chance of being shot. Or in this case of getting your neighbors dog shot.

I mean the story leaves out, unless I missed it, the part where they say who called them to begin with.

TailgateNut
06-10-2009, 08:38 AM
I mean the story leaves out, unless I missed it, the part where they say who called them to begin with.

Maybe Garfield called them, or the morons saw this BEAST running loose scaring people.:rofl:

cutthemdown
06-10-2009, 08:41 AM
Obama's plan has pigs salivating for more recruits. Especially more roadside checkpoints. Cops are salivating about potential incresed revenue.

Police are not efficient. They waste money on things like fancy cars that drive fast so they can chase people and endanger us. They don't investigate enough of the real crimes and instead arrest tons and tons of low level punks, drug users and 2 bit drug pushers. Petty thieves and people who drive drunk etc etc.

Let's face it they add more and more cops and the crime levels seem to ebb and flow with a mind of there own. Sure you can crack down like NY city did but has anyone looked at how much they spend on police.

Here in California we have a Highway Patrol that runs around being assholes to everyone and there budget is just bloated. Do they even solve any real crimes or are they just pulling people over 100 people a day and figure hell 3-4 of them will be doing something they aren't supposed to?

I mean do we need to spend millions of traffic cops? IMO we don't. If they like the cameras so much then why not just put them everywhere on freeways and get rid of highway patrol?

TailgateNut
06-10-2009, 08:52 AM
Police are not efficient. They waste money on things like fancy cars that drive fast so they can chase people and endanger us. They don't investigate enough of the real crimes and instead arrest tons and tons of low level punks, drug users and 2 bit drug pushers. Petty thieves and people who drive drunk etc etc.

Let's face it they add more and more cops and the crime levels seem to ebb and flow with a mind of there own. Sure you can crack down like NY city did but has anyone looked at how much they spend on police.

Here in California we have a Highway Patrol that runs around being a-holes to everyone and there budget is just bloated. Do they even solve any real crimes or are they just pulling people over 100 people a day and figure hell 3-4 of them will be doing something they aren't supposed to?

I mean do we need to spend millions of traffic cops? IMO we don't. If they like the cameras so much then why not just put them everywhere on freeways and get rid of highway patrol?



The ticket-authors (cops) here in Colorado are busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. I do a daily commute to Evergreen and I can't recall ever seeing as many piglets pulling people over for minor traffic infractions. GOTTA MAKE THAT BUDGET WORK!

TheReverend
06-11-2009, 11:22 AM
In this newest development, our fine public servants taser a 72 year old great-grandmother.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/09/police-taser-great-grandm_n_213218.html

More evidence that real men avoid the military and join the police force. These guys are hardcore.

BABronco
06-12-2009, 07:19 PM
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BABronco
06-12-2009, 07:23 PM
A Chicago police officer is being held in lieu of $350,000 bail this afternoon after being charged with criminal sexual assault in an attack on an underage girl.

William Greenwood, 43, a nine-year department veteran, was charged late Wednesday. He was arrested Tuesday at Little Company of Mary Hospital in Evergreen Park, sources said.

Chicago police confirmed an officer had been relieved of police powers after being charged with the sex crime, but refused to release his name, citing terms of a union contract. Other sources said Greenwood worked in the Wentworth District on the South Side.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/06/chicago-cop-charged-with-sex-assault.html

BABronco
06-14-2009, 10:18 AM
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BABronco
06-16-2009, 05:49 PM
http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2009/jun/14/officer/

PORT ST. LUCIE — Angie Morales-Pena, 44, always thought she and her twin brother, Manny, would die at about the same age.

On Sunday, sitting with her parents in the home they shared with her brother for almost five years, she cast some of the blame upon herself for his death earlier in the day.

But she also questioned why the Port St. Lucie police needed to gun Manny down in his bedroom.

“I called for help, to come talk to my brother, and they killed him. I don’t understand,” Morales-Pena said.

“I’m stunned, in shock, we haven’t slept, our lives have been changed forever. He’s my brother and I will miss him.”

Manuel Salvador “Manny” Morales Jr., shot twice on his left side below the chest, was pronounced dead early Sunday morning, shortly after being taken to Lawnwood Regional Medical Center & Heart Institute’s trauma center in Fort Pierce.

According to Port St. Lucie Police spokesman Officer Tom Nichols, two officers confronted an armed Morales in a bedroom of the four-bedroom Southwest Croquet Street home at about 1 a.m. Sunday.

“When the officers went into the bedroom, they gave Mr. Morales several commands and he failed to comply,” Nichols said. “Therefore the officers felt their lives were in jeopardy.”

Officer Albert Riccardi fired two shots with his department issued Glock .40 caliber handgun.

The officers had to force their way through a closed door to enter the bedroom, Nichols said. Police did not release how Manny Morales was armed.

Manuel Morales Sr. said he was looking into the bedroom from the back yard and it appeared police used a taser on his son before the shooting. No one at the Morales home Sunday said they saw the shooting or if Manny Morales was armed.

Angie Morales-Pena said they found a butter knife in the bedroom after the police left.

“We need to know what happened in that room,” she said. “We have no weapons, all we have in this house is a B.B. gun.”

Morales-Pena had returned home from the movies with her 12-year-old daughter and a friend at about 12:30 a.m. A short time later, she found her brother in the kitchen threatening himself with knives.

They started to argue and she called police in fear that her brother would hurt himself.

Manny Morales, a former peer counselor with the 19th Circuit Public Defender’s Office, had grown depressed looking for work, his sister said. He had recently been treated for schizophrenia and was drinking Saturday night, Morales-Pena said.

“He just needed help at that moment,” she said. “Now I’ll never see my brother again.”

Riccardi, who has been with the department for about a year and a half, has been placed on administrative leave with pay as the department continues to investigate the incident, Nichols said.

The department’s investigation may take about a week before the results are presented to a grand jury.

BABronco
08-16-2009, 03:32 PM
They did everything they could to keep her quiet.

The disgraced NYPD officers charged with raping an intoxicated Manhattan woman in her apartment in December stole her cellphone and contacted her mother and brother in an attempt to frighten her into silence, newly disclosed legal papers allege.

The bombshell details are in a notice of claim filed by the woman against the city and the two cops. The woman, named as Jane Doe in the filing, is seeking $5 million in damages.

The alleged betrayal of the badge occurred in the early hours of Dec. 7, when Officers Kenneth Moreno and Franklin Mata of the Ninth Precinct responded to a 911 call from a cabby requesting help getting a drunken passenger into her East Village apartment.

The officers escorted the 27-year-old woman into her home and returned two more times by lying to a resident to gain entry, investigators say.

Moreno then allegedly raped the woman in her bed as she drifted in and out of consciousness while Mata acted as a lookout.

Before leaving the apartment for the last time, the officers began a twisted scheme to silence her, the documents say.

They stole her BlackBerry, and in the days after the crime, the cops contacted the woman's mother and brother, the document says.

The notice of claim doesn't say what they told her family, but it does state the officers "were trying to intimidate" the woman.

Daniel E. Katz, the woman's attorney, declined to elaborate.

"The notice of claim speaks for itself," he said. "We are continuing to cooperate with the ongoing criminal investigation."

In the claim, the woman asks for $3 million for personal injuries and $2 million in punitive damages.

The claim also states that "other specific facts" about the incident would come to light if the city does not compensate her and she proceeds with a lawsuit.

Moreno, 41, and Mata, 27, were charged in April with rape, burglary and official misconduct by the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. They are both free on $175,000 bail and have been placed on administrative duty in the NYPD.

Both officers have pleaded not guilty. Their next court appearance is scheduled for Sept. 16.

The woman, a high-level executive at a well-known company, had gone out for drinks with friends at a Brooklyn club, Southpaw, between 10 and 10:30 p.m. on Dec. 6.

When she left the popular Park Slope nightspot at 12:30 a.m., her blood-alcohol level was twice the legal limit to drive, according to investigators. Her friends put her in a yellow taxi and instructed the driver, Kofi Owusu, to take her home.

Owusu arrived at her place at 1 a.m., but the victim was too tipsy to get out of the car, so he called police. Moreno, a 17-year NYPD veteran, and Mata, who has two years on the force, responded and helped her into her apartment at 1:10 a.m.

The officers left seven minutes later but returned to the building at 1:56 a.m. and were let in by a resident. The notice of claim states that the pair told the resident they were investigating a noise disturbance behind the apartment complex.

The men then entered her apartment with a key they had taken from the woman. They stayed for 17 minutes before receiving a radio call to respond to a traffic accident at 13th Street and First Avenue.

As The Post first reported, the cops then allegedly made a phony 911 call from the accident scene, saying there was a drunken homeless man at an address two buildings away from the woman's.

The officers were dispatched to that address but instead returned to the woman's apartment a second time, at 2:59 a.m. During that visit, Moreno allegedly raped her while she was lying face down in her bed and after she had vomited several times.

The two officers left the building for the last time at 3:33 a.m. Later that morning, the woman told her landlady and friends she had been raped by cops.

She saw Moreno again when she set up a meeting with him and secretly recorded his apology to her.

The wiretap was part of a four-month probe that showed the two cops tried to cover up the crime and tampered with a memo book used to record shift details.

Prosecutors also said during the investigation that Moreno admitted having sex with the woman but claimed it was consensual.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly was so outraged that he issued a rare rebuke of the officers, calling their conduct "egregious" and a "shocking aberration."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08162009/news/regionalnews/rape_cops_called_my_mom__accuser_184783.htm

Northman
08-16-2009, 03:47 PM
Lmao.

So, a woman who could barely walk let alone remember anything all of a sudden remembers that cops raped her? hahahahahahaahaa

SPfloppy
08-16-2009, 03:54 PM
Damn! My filters at work won't allow the vid or pic.

I ask humbily though, if you'd please refrain from using the term Pigs to refer to Police officers. Please do not lump bad apples together with jerks who may abuse thier authority. in this case again I cannot see the vid so I dunno if they did right or wrong but judging by the responses it dosn't sound good

TailgateNut
08-16-2009, 04:27 PM
damn! My filters at work won't allow the vid or pic.

I ask humbily though, if you'd please refrain from using the term pigs to refer to police officers. Please do not lump bad apples together with jerks who may abuse thier authority. In this case again i cannot see the vid so i dunno if they did right or wrong but judging by the responses it dosn't sound good

pigs, pigs, pigs!!!

SPfloppy
08-16-2009, 04:37 PM
pigs, pigs, pigs!!!


ass, ass, ass!!!!

TailgateNut
08-16-2009, 04:47 PM
Pigs is the best way to describe the big headed ****ers.
I bet the percentage of crooked cops is the same as crooked reg folks. The only difference is they generally get away with their crimes.


****ing PIGS.

Does that hurt your wittle feewings?

BABronco
08-16-2009, 05:07 PM
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/13/suspect-puts-drugs-in-his-mouth-cop-breaks-his-neck/

A 42-year-old Louisiana man has died, apparently of a broken neck, after being pulled over by a police deputy.

A dash cam video shows Deputy Chris Sturdivant of the Livingston Parish Sheriff’s Office with his arms around Adam Stogner’s neck after the officer suspected the man of putting a small quantity of drugs into his mouth.

Stogner died along Interstate 12. Preliminary results from the coroner show that Stogner died from “severe coronary artery disease, an enlarged heart, and a fracture of the hyoid bone in his neck.”

According to CBS affiliate WAFB, the sheriff’s office says Stogner did not put his truck in park when he was pulled over. This may have led the officer to believe Stogner was planning to flee the scene. And the deputy believed Stogner was impaired.

A substantial portion of the dash cam video can be seen here.

This video is from Fox News, broadcast July 13, 2009.
(see above link for Fox News video)

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Dudeskey
08-16-2009, 05:28 PM
He probably just got back from serving in Iraq, so he deserves a pass, just like that Asshole Daniel martin from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. ****ing pigs...™

SPfloppy
08-16-2009, 07:01 PM
Pigs is the best way to describe the big headed ****ers.
I bet the percentage of crooked cops is the same as crooked reg folks. The only difference is they generally get away with their crimes.


****ing PIGS.

Does that hurt your wittle feewings?

What are 6? I asked for a small amount of respect. I didn't call any names. I believe I was being civil and respectful in my request. I suppose it was too much to ask. Tell me when you find yourself robbed, run-over or just plain in need of assistance from a first responder are you gonna call the officer on scene a pig then? I know that SteveTensi13 sowered this board's opinion of police and articles, videos and pics showing un-neccessary force are shocking and un-acceptable. But to blanketly reffer to to the rest of law-enforcement by a derogitory term is im-mature and unreasonable. It is a small number of bad apples compared to hereos who serve thier communities everyday and get S*** on for it. Go out and work a 14 hour shift as a beat cop in a medium size city. Get spit on and heckeled by the very same people you strive to protect. then tell me you deserve to get verbally abused for doing a service that many couldn't

SPfloppy
08-16-2009, 07:02 PM
He probably just got back from serving in Iraq, so he deserves a pass, just like that a-hole Daniel martin from the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. ****ing pigs...™

Thanx for the words but no I haven't been in country since the beginning of 05

Dudeskey
08-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Thanx for the words but no I haven't been in country since the beginning of 05

Look, don't get me wrong, when I was in a bad car accident (with injuries) last year the aurora police handled the whole thing in a very courteous & professional manner without being confrontational in any way. Its "officers" like the Oklahoma incident and the most recently posted video where they've crossed the line, earning the "pig" title. So don't take it personally when I call a cop that has crossed the line a ****ing pig...™

SPfloppy
08-17-2009, 05:18 AM
^Fair enough, thats pretty much what I meant. Thanx again

TailgateNut
08-17-2009, 06:50 AM
Floppy

If it bothers you stay out of a thread with the title: "****ing Pigs"

SPfloppy
08-17-2009, 10:00 AM
Floppy

If it bothers you stay out of a thread with the title: "****ing Pigs"

So you can come into a GOP thread and give the liberal/democrat side, but I former law enforcement officer cannot enter one to retort slander against law enforcement? Thats a little hypocritical isn't it Nut?

SPfloppy
08-17-2009, 10:04 AM
Listen Nut, if you are sower because you got your ass burnt by my reply just own up and leave it be. If on the other hand you are just trying to get under my skin than just say so and stop bothering to give my argument in here. We've highjacked this thread by our bickering. Tell ya what I'll do; when I get back from work on wednesday I'll check this thread again so I can see the offending video evidence. If it somehow convices me that every single cop in every country in the world, is worthy of such a term than I shall bow west in your general direction and appologize outright with no condition on the back end. How'd that be?

TailgateNut
08-17-2009, 10:33 AM
Listen Nut, if you are sower because you got your ass burnt by my reply just own up and leave it be. If on the other hand you are just trying to get under my skin than just say so and stop bothering to give my argument in here. We've highjacked this thread by our bickering. Tell ya what I'll do; when I get back from work on wednesday I'll check this thread again so I can see the offending video evidence. If it somehow convices me that every single cop in every country in the world, is worthy of such a term than I shall bow west in your general direction and appologize outright with no condition on the back end. How'd that be?

Could your tears have anything to do with the SP in your moniker?

...and WE haven't hijacked anything. This thread is about ****ing PIGS.

If you want to start a thread about Heroes, feel free to do so.

TailgateNut
08-17-2009, 10:34 AM
So you can come into a GOP thread and give the liberal/democrat side, but I former law enforcement officer cannot enter one to retort slander against law enforcement? Thats a little hypocritical isn't it Nut?

No one said you couldn't enter the thread, just don't bitch and whine about what some of us think of the lowlife assholes who are collecting tax dollars while breaking the law.

SPfloppy
08-17-2009, 10:40 AM
You asked who said I couldn't post in this thread

Floppy

If it bothers you stay out of a thread with the title: "****ing Pigs"

Umm you did.

BABronco
10-06-2009, 02:16 PM
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BABronco
10-06-2009, 03:06 PM
Family Says 911 Tape Caught Cops Planning Cover-Up After Shooting

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/0...rotectandserve
By JAMIE ROSS
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PHOENIX (CN) - A homeowner says a Phoenix police officer shot him six times in the back during a 911 home-invasion call, and the 911 tape recorded the officer's partner saying, "That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?" The family says the officers were not aware that the 911 call was still recording as they spoke about covering up the shooting.

In their complaint in Maricopa County Court, Anthony and Lesley Arambula say an armed intruder "crashed through the front window" of their home on Sept. 17, 2008 and ran into one of their son's bedrooms.

Anthony, worried about his son who was still in his bedroom, says he "held the intruder calmly at gunpoint" and called 911.

Phoenix Police officers already in the neighborhood heard the crash of the Arambulas' window. When they approached the house, Lesley says, she told Sgt. Sean Coutts that her husband was inside holding the intruder at gunpoint. Lesley says Coutts failed to pass on that information to the two other officers.

Inside the house, the Arambulas say, Officer Brian Lilly shot Anthony six times in the back while he was still on the phone with the 911 operator - twice when he was on the ground.

The officers ran into the bedroom after Anthony told them, "You just killed ... you just killed the homeowner. The bad guy is in there."

The complaint states that Officer Lilly "admitted that it was only after Tony was laying, bullet-ridden, on the ground that he assessed the situation. The 911 tape continued to record what happened even after Officer Lilly unloaded his weapon into Tony, including Officer Lilly's post-shooting, one-word 'assessment': '****.'

"Tony believed he was going to die; the 911 tape records his plaintive goodbye to his family: '... I love you ... I love you.' Then Tony made what he believed was a dying request to the officers; he did not want his young family to see him shot and bloodied. Officers callously ignored his request and painfully dragged Tony by his injured leg, through the home and out to his backyard patio, where they left him bloodied and shot right in front of Lesley, Matthew and Zachary."

The Arambulas say the officers later dragged Anthony onto gravel, then put him on top of the hot hood of a squad car, and "drove the squad car down the street with Tony lying on top, writing in pain."

According to the complaint, Lilly can be heard on the 911 tape telling Coutts, "We ****ed up."

Lilly says on the tape that he did not know where Anthony's gun was when he shot him and that he "opened fire because he heard loud noises and saw someone who looked like he might be the 'Hispanic' male they were pursuing" before getting to the Arambulas' house, according to the complaint.

The complaint states: "Sgt. Coutts knew that officers has just shot up and likely killed an innocent homeowner and the husband of Lesley, with whom he had spoken before entering the home, instead of the armed intruder. Sgt. Coutts was quick to commence the cover-up of their terrible mistake. Sgt. Coutts asked Office Lilly where Tony's gun was at the time Officer Lilly had opened fire on Tony. Officer Lilly admitted that he did not know where Tony's gun was: 'I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired.'"

Lilly later told a police internal affairs investigator that Anthony had pointed his gun in his direction, "in the 'ready' position," the complaint states. But Anthony Arambula says he was facing away from the officers, who could not have even seen his gun.

The complaint continues: "Still not knowing that he is being recorded n the 911 tape, Sgt. Coutts interrupted Officer Lilly's admission and apology with his assurance that the cover-up would commence: 'That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?'"

After the shooting, the Arambulas say, the Phoenix Police Department treated them "like suspects in a drug bust," denying Lesley, Michael and Zachary information about Anthony's condition and denying friends and family members access to him at the hospital.

Anthony Arambula survived, but continues to suffer pain, which he expects will last for the rest of his life.

The City of Phoenix and Officer Dzenan Ahmetovic also are named as defendants.

The Arambulas seek punitive damages for gross negligence, civil rights violations, failure to supervise, excessive force, deliberate indifference to medical needs, false arrest, and emotional distress. They are represented by Michael Manning with Stinson Morrison Hecker.

BABronco
11-19-2009, 09:07 AM
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BABronco
11-19-2009, 09:11 AM
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Rohirrim
11-19-2009, 09:15 AM
Do they just not train these people at all? What do they do, pick up people at the unemployment office and hand them a gun and a badge?

BABronco
04-17-2010, 10:55 AM
STREAMWOOD, Ill., April 17, 2010
Cop Charged After Videotaped Beating of Motorist
Felony Battery Counts Against James Mandarino; Driver Ronald Bell Appeared to Be Fully Complying with His Orders

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6405806.shtml

(CBS/ AP) A suburban Chicago police officer caught on video hitting a driver 15 times with his baton and firing a stun gun at the man's passenger has been charged with felony aggravated battery and official misconduct, and more charges are possible, prosecutors say.

Neither man attacked or threatened Streamwood Police Officer James Mandarino during the early morning traffic stop last month, Cook County, Ill. prosecutors say.

In fact, the video taken from the officer's dashboard camera suggests that both the driver, Ronald Bell, 28, and the passenger did exactly as they were told.

" Perhaps the most startling thing about the brutal beating is the apparent overkill," observes CBS News Correspondent Cynthia Bowers.

"This conduct as displayed on the video by this officer is not only disturbing, it's outrageous and is unacceptable," Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez said during a news conference. "Every law enforcement officer holds his or her powers through the public trust and this officer's senseless act of rage against an unarmed citizen constitutes and offensive violation of that trust."

Mandarino, 41, a 15-year police veteran, was charged with felony aggravated battery and official misconduct. If convicted, he could face up to five years in prison on each count.

Mandarino did not enter a plea during a brief hearing. The judge set his bond at $50,000.

Mandarino's attorney, Ed Wandering, says Mandarino's record speaks for itself. "He's a decorated officer," Wandering says. "He was officer of the year three or four years ago."

Prosecutors said Mandarino followed the car and pulled it over after he heard its tires squeal shortly before 4 a.m. on March 28. After Bell pulled into the driveway at the home of his brother, Stacey Bell, and climbed out of the vehicle, Mandarino approached him with his gun drawn, Alvarez said.

While there is no audio on the video, it appears that Ronald Bell got back into the car after Mandarino ordered him to. Mandarino then turned to the passenger, who had also gotten out of vehicle, and fired a stun gun at him twice, Alvarez said.

Ronald Bell then got out of the car, put his hands in the air and got down on his knees while keeping his hands behind his head, apparently on orders from Mandarino. That's when Mandarino repeatedly struck Ronald Bell on his head, neck and shoulders, Alvarez said.

On "The Early Show Saturday Edition", Stacey Bell told CBS News Correspondent Jeff Glor, "I saw the officer striking my brother. It kind of was very shocking to me, and I went outside and was pleading with them to stop beating my brother. I was saying, 'He's complying with your commands. I don't understand why you're beating him." '

Ronald Bell suffered a concussion, a cut on his ear that required seven stitches and various bruises. The passenger wasn't injured.

"He's recovering," Stacey Bell told Glor. " ... He just doesn't want to make any statements to jeopardize the case against the officer."

Mandarino arrested Ronald Bell on suspicion of drunken driving, resisting arrest, threatening an officer and various traffic offenses. All of those charges have been dropped, Alvarez said.

She would not say what, if anything, the officer said to justify his actions.

The charges against Mandarino stem from the alleged beating. No charges were filed in connection with the officer's use of the stun gun, but more charges are likely, Alvarez says.

Police department officials saw the video and notified Alvarez's office within 24 hours of the incident. Mandarino has been placed on paid administrative leave, the police department said in a statement that announced the officer's arrest but declined further comment.

Stacey Bell remarked to Glor that he's "not happy with the fact that this guy's on administrative leave. I don't think he should be getting paid by the residents of Streamwood after the actions we witnessed."
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BABronco
04-17-2010, 10:59 AM
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Police+misconduct+probe+cont inuing&articleId=a518ce6d-ce15-4012-a060-6c50a32ef0c1

MANCHESTER – Police Chief David Mara yesterday said the department's two separate investigations are continuing into an incident March 3 at the Strange Brew Tavern in which a man, who is charged with disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, simple assault and criminal mischief, has alleged he was severely injured in a beating by off-duty police officers.

The complaint of police misconduct, filed March 15 by the attorney for Christopher J. Micklovich, alleges the four off-duty officers attacked Micklovich without provocation and punched and kicked him repeatedly after a bouncer had escorted Micklovich from the tavern at 88 Market St.

The police department has been conducting two investigations into the incident, one a criminal investigation into the charges against Miklovich and a separate investigation into the allegations of police misconduct.

A status hearing on the charges against Micklovich is scheduled April 27 in Manchester District Court.

TailgateNut
08-23-2010, 09:34 AM
The "BEAT-ings" go on!



http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149443&catid=339



http://www.9news.com/video/default.aspx#/News/Police+beating/49906872001/50183015001/590221669001


there's also another incident of a cop beating a off duty firefighter after he attempted to press charges against someone who attacked him after leaving a restaurant. According to the report on the radio the firefighter was leaving a pizzeria when confronted by someone who knoocked the pizza out of his hands and punched him. He then ran off and the firefighter found two denver cops and asked them to file a complaint. They told him to "go home", upon hearing this he replied "way to protect and serve", and he was then beaten by one of the officers. after the beating the cops' partner told the firefighter "you just got your ass kicked by one of the baddest cops in this city".

TailgateNut
08-23-2010, 09:41 AM
here's a link to the firefighter story.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15846385?source=rss

Who the **** do these guys think they are. They all need to be fired, charged, tried, and incarcerated.

Dudeskey
08-24-2010, 04:07 PM
here's a link to the firefighter story.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15846385?source=rss

Who the **** do these guys think they are. They all need to be fired, charged, tried, and incarcerated.

I dunno, but that Perea dude is a real piece of ****. He could benefit from catching an ass kicking from Denver's "finest" to get a little perspective.

Dudeskey
08-24-2010, 05:13 PM
guess I'm a day late...

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15869501?source=pkg

Perea resigns as Denver safety manager

Less than three months after taking control of Denver's police, sheriff and fire departments, Manager of Safety Ron Perea resigned Monday amid growing uproar over how he disciplined officers.

Perea brushed aside concerns earlier this month from other city officials who feared he was too lenient in refusing to fire three officers involved in two separate police abuse cases — including a highly publicized case in which video shows police beating a man in Lower Downtown.

But his decisions in those cases started to unravel in the past seven days.

After a meeting Monday afternoon between Perea and Mayor John Hickenlooper, Perea returned to his office at the downtown police headquarters and told confidants that he had resigned.

"I appreciate the opportunity to serve as manager of safety for the city and county of Denver," he said in a handwritten note on the mayor's stationery. "I respectfully tender my resignation effective August 31, 2010."

Later in the afternoon, the mayor's office sent out a news release announcing the resignation. The mayor, in a later news conference, said Perea resigned voluntarily.

Hickenlooper said Perea told him he didn't feel he could build trust with the public given the controversy his decisions had created.

"Once he put it it in that context, it was hard to argue with," Hickenlooper said. "It would be very difficult to rebuild after all the events of the last four or five days. It would be very hard to rebuild that trust."

The police department last week announced it would reopen an internal investigation into a case in which officers accused of covering up the LoDo beating were docked three days' pay by Perea. Hickenlooper requested the FBI review the officers' actions after the video was widely circulated on news stations and the Internet.

City Councilwoman Judy Montero, who last week demanded that Perea reverse one of his discipline decisions or resign, said she thought Perea did the right thing by resigning.

"We as a community, a diverse community, had worked so hard for so many years building that trust with law enforcement, and it was diminishing so quickly," Montero said. "Now it's time to start rebuilding."

The mayor said that Police Chief Gerry Whitman had assured him that incidents of police brutality were isolated.

"Our police department is not out of control, and day in and day out our officers are doing everything they can to keep our city safe, and they certainly are respecting the rights and liberties of all of our citizens," the mayor said.

Perea did not respond to requests for comment.

Earlier Monday, Perea moved to rescind his earlier discipline order suspending police Officer Eric Sellers 45 days without pay for beating a young man who had complained when Sellers declined to press charges against a man who hit the 23-year-old. Perea had suspended Sellers for "inappropriate force" and "commission of a deceptive act."

Both the city attorney's office and Independent Monitor Richard Rosen thal, who reviews investigations into alleged police misconduct, had warned Perea he needed to undo what they viewed as light discipline for Sellers because they feared it would undermine a new discipline system the city took six years to put in place.

In that case, Perea found Sellers lied about his actions, cause for "presumptive termination" under the new guidelines. But Perea found mitigating circumstances, because the case languished under previous safety manager Al LaCabe.

Rosenthal and the city attorney's office feared that if Perea's decision stood, the police union would be able to appeal discipline decisions based on the length of time it took to complete investigations into alleged wrongdoing.

The mayor brushed aside concerns from union officials that it had taken LaCabe too long to decide how to handle the controversial abuse cases.

He said LaCabe had worked 60 to 70 hours a week and had put his "heart and soul" into making the city safer.

LaCabe declined to comment for this story.

David Bruno, a lawyer for the Denver Police Protective Association, decried the moves to rescind the discipline of Sellers and to reopen the investigation of Officer Devin Sparks and Cpl. Randy Murr in the LoDo beating case.

Bruno said that in more than 30 years of representing police officers, he had never seen discipline decisions reversed by a safety manager.

He said the public should question whether "the outcry of special interests or the media" was controlling the outcome of those cases.

"My fear is that either a citizen or an officer will now be hurt if an officer hesitates in the slightest degree to do what he believes is appropriate in the circumstance without the cloud of fear that behind him is the monitor dictating what the monitor, as an armchair quarterback, believes 20 months later is appropriate conduct," Bruno said.

Perea will spend his final days on the job working on finalizing budgets for the city's police, fire and sheriff departments, Hickenlooper said. He has no discipline cases pending.

The mayor said he is appointing Deputy Safety Manager Mary Malatesta as interim safety manger until a replacement can be found. She will handle the final discipline decisions for Devin, Murr and Sellers.

TailgateNut
08-24-2010, 06:47 PM
I dunno, but that Perea dude is a real piece of ****. He could benefit from catching an ass kicking from Denver's "finest" to get a little perspective.


Peas in a pod. I always thought that an entity which polices itself generally will sweep the dirt under the rug.

watermock
08-25-2010, 03:16 AM
Pigs are Pigs.

In fact, most pigs are smarter than Pigs.

Rohirrim
08-31-2010, 07:58 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/31/peter-mcfarland-tased-in-own-home-after-fall_n_701225.html
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BABronco
09-04-2010, 07:30 AM
http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/03/teen-shot-dead-by-police-in-no
Last Sunday night, police in Morganton, North Carolina shot and killed 17-year-old Michael Sipes. The officers were responding to a noise complaint called in by a neighbor in the mobile home park where Sipes lived. His mother says there were three children in the home on the night Sipes was killed, and were likely he source of the complaint.

According to Sipes' mother and others in the house, the police repeatedly knocked on the door to the home, but never identified themselves. They say both Sipes and his mother asked more than once who was outside. A neighbor who heard the gunshots also says he never heard the police identify themselves. Police officials say the officers did identify themselves.

According to those in the trailer at the time, as the knocks continued, Sipes retrieved a rifle, opened the door, and stepped outside. That's when Morganton Public Safety Officer Johnny David Cooper II shot Sipes in the stomach "four or five times."

BABronco
09-04-2010, 07:35 AM
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TailgateNut
09-04-2010, 10:57 PM
Same ****, different day!

Guy is whittling a wooden object and gets blasted by the Cowards in Blue. I celebrate when these ****s get fired and charged. Here in the Denver area they are resigning by the dozens. They need to start trying these ****ers and sending them to death row.
****ing Pigs!

SPfloppy
09-05-2010, 09:59 AM
Nutt are you reffering to all cops as pigs or just these few who betray their obligation to the communities they are supposed to protect

Rohirrim
09-05-2010, 10:48 AM
IMO, there is a militarism sweeping the police forces of the nation that puts officers in an "Us, and them" frame of mind. And it's not just suspects they treat like crap. Last week, a friend of my son's had his bike stolen in front of a Safeway and the Jeffco sheriff that came out to take the report was downright belligerent. At one point, one of the kids asks him if he had talked to the witness, a woman who works in the store and who saw another kid take the bike, and the sheriff responds, "Have I been in the store yet? Do you think I've talked to her yet?" Like a total a-hole who is trying to pick a fight. And that's where half this **** starts; the cop comes on the scene and instead of trying to maintain a little order and cool things down, he comes across as belligerent and tries to set people off. We've seen it over and over and over again in this thread.

SPfloppy
09-05-2010, 02:16 PM
and yet still child molesters go to jail, rapists and murderers are caught and punished. Police respond side by side with Fire Rescue and EMT's and give first aid to accident victims. How bout the school and office shootings in this last year? Who came in to help those who couldn't help themselves? I re-interate that what is discussed in this thread and another one I popped into in here recently, is representative of the few not the many. Tell me Roh what if someone broke into your home and assualted you or your wife, who would you hope came to the rescue? Who would be one of the first calls for aid? The same Police that you run down. Criminals outnumber Police. Fostering resentment toward Police in the media by showing almost exclusively, exessive use of force caught on tape makes the job of the guy who dosn't use exessive force all the more difficult. I understand the sentiment and it is shameful to mis-use your authority. But to blanketly accuse all police of the same is ignorant and makes you come off as a real ass. That notwithstanding were I the one responding to your call for aid the thought of our feelings toward all law enforcement would not give me any pause whatsoever. I'd help you all the same.

Rohirrim
09-05-2010, 05:13 PM
and yet still child molesters go to jail, rapists and murderers are caught and punished. Police respond side by side with Fire Rescue and EMT's and give first aid to accident victims. How bout the school and office shootings in this last year? Who came in to help those who couldn't help themselves? I re-interate that what is discussed in this thread and another one I popped into in here recently, is representative of the few not the many. Tell me Roh what if someone broke into your home and assualted you or your wife, who would you hope came to the rescue? Who would be one of the first calls for aid? The same Police that you run down. Criminals outnumber Police. Fostering resentment toward Police in the media by showing almost exclusively, exessive use of force caught on tape makes the job of the guy who dosn't use exessive force all the more difficult. I understand the sentiment and it is shameful to mis-use your authority. But to blanketly accuse all police of the same is ignorant and makes you come off as a real ass. That notwithstanding were I the one responding to your call for aid the thought of our feelings toward all law enforcement would not give me any pause whatsoever. I'd help you all the same.

If somebody breaks into my house they're going to have to get past my two dogs, my shotgun, and my .357 Ruger Blackhawk. Afterwards, I'll call the police.

SPfloppy
09-05-2010, 05:19 PM
"Afterwards I'll call the Police" Good enough to make my point. Thanks for playing.

TailgateNut
09-06-2010, 01:00 AM
"Afterwards I'll call the Police" Good enough to make my point. Thanks for playing.


To drag the dead mother****er out of our house. Every damn encounter I've ever had with police has shown me that they are incompetent arrogant and power hungry PIGS. I should have shot the two bastards who tresspassed on my property in Va. (All I got was a lousy apology from the ****ers, and it cost me $1500 in attorney fees).

The problem with our justice system is that when you fight the law and pay out of your ass to fight fraudulent charges, you never are able to sue the pigs and the DA for your costs after being cleared of charges. It's better just to shoot the MF's when you cross paths the first time. Make the world a better place.

BTW: I do respect EMT's and Firefighters (i don't have the knowledge nor equipment to do their job), but I haven't met a pig I liked that wasn't part of a BBQ sandwich.

BroncoBuff
09-06-2010, 01:56 AM
In 2006, cop shot an Iraq War veteran five times as he complied with orders to stand up off the ground.

I'm gonna be sick ...



Former San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy Ivory J. Webb Jr. found not guilty


SAN BERNARDINO - It took jurors barely two hours Thursday to acquit Ivory J. Webb Jr., the first San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy to face criminal charges for an on-duty shooting.

"Mr. Webb, you're free to go," said San Bernardino Superior Court Judge Michael Smith, ending a one-month trial for the January 2006 videotaped shooting by Webb of a drunken, unarmed off-duty military policeman after a car chase in Chino.

With news photographers filming from the witness stand and spectators spilling out of the courtroom into a hallway, the verdict prompted the 6-foot-2, 240-pound Webb to bear-hug both of his attorneys simultaneously and clench his hands over his head in celebration and victory.

But he declined to discuss the case because, his attorneys said, federal prosecutors still could charge him with violating the civil rights of 23-year-old Air Force military policeman Elio Carrion, whom he shot three times. Federal officials have declined to comment about their plans.

Webb, 46, who left the force after the shooting, could have been imprisoned for almost 20 years if convicted of attempted voluntary manslaughter or assault with a firearm.

"We believe he believed he was in danger," said Richard Day, a member of the jury that decided, in effect, that Webb fired in self-defense.

Webb chased a Corvette at speeds reaching 100 mph before it crashed on a dark street. The lone officer confronted two inebriated suspects, including Carrion.

The videotape, filmed by a neighborhood resident, appears to show that Webb opened fire as Carrion was complying with orders and gestures to get up off the ground.

Outside the courtroom, Webb thanked God, the jury, his family and supporters.

BroncoBuff
09-06-2010, 01:57 AM
Do NOT watch if you're squeamish:

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TailgateNut
09-06-2010, 04:10 AM
****ing sickening! This will prompt the likes of spfloppy to defend the cops and FlaBronco to start pulling rabbits from his hat to justify the MURDER.

This kind of crap happens every day across the United States and it's time to hold not only the pig, but also his superiors accountable. Until we do, nothing will change for the better.

Unjustified shootings, beatings, arrests, corruption throught the spectrum. Lying under oath by not only the pig braking the law, but also by his fellow piglets, the immediated supervisors and also the DA and Internal investigators.

There was just a case in Arvada where a "coverup" of brutality included 5 different officers.

.....but according to the likes of spfloppy we should attempt to close our eyes because the supposedly are some good cops out there.

YEAH RIGHT!

SPfloppy
09-06-2010, 05:33 AM
****ing sickening! This will prompt the likes of spfloppy to defend the cops and FlaBronco to start pulling rabbits from his hat to justify the MURDER.

This kind of crap happens every day across the United States and it's time to hold not only the pig, but also his superiors accountable. Until we do, nothing will change for the better.

Unjustified shootings, beatings, arrests, corruption throught the spectrum. Lying under oath by not only the pig braking the law, but also by his fellow piglets, the immediated supervisors and also the DA and Internal investigators.

There was just a case in Arvada where a "coverup" of brutality included 5 different officers.

.....but according to the likes of spfloppy we should attempt to close our eyes because the supposedly are some good cops out there.

YEAH RIGHT!

You and your ignorance are going to start pissing me off when all I have done is present rational arguments from the other side. You are flame bating intentionally trying to gaod me into saying something contradictory. I have never ever said to turn a blind eye to anyone who breaks the law. In fact I believ I have made it plain that my belief that we are and should be held to a higher standard means that bad cops found guilty should be punished just the same if not worse than the criminals they are sworn to stop. Squeeky wheel gets the greese and until you put a stat that is true and shows that 90-100% of law enforcement officials are are guilty of this than in my opinion you are just salty at Law Enforcement for whatever reason and cannot be reasoned with. If every cop disapeared off the streets tomorrow you and every citizen thats ever decried cops just because you got a traffic ticket and then saw CNN put several(and there are several reported every month) cases of excessive force from police, the worst violent criminals would run rampant and you'd all demand something be done. A very extreme minority in that case would likely form posse's or vigillante groups and end up dead because they aren't as hard as the criminals they'd try and face off. You need police Nut you do. And they will always be here.

TailgateNut
09-06-2010, 07:06 AM
You and your ignorance are going to start pissing me off when all I have done is present rational arguments from the other side. You are flame bating intentionally trying to gaod me into saying something contradictory. I have never ever said to turn a blind eye to anyone who breaks the law. In fact I believ I have made it plain that my belief that we are and should be held to a higher standard means that bad cops found guilty should be punished just the same if not worse than the criminals they are sworn to stop. Squeeky wheel gets the greese and until you put a stat that is true and shows that 90-100% of law enforcement officials are are guilty of this than in my opinion you are just salty at Law Enforcement for whatever reason and cannot be reasoned with. If every cop disapeared off the streets tomorrow you and every citizen thats ever decried cops just because you got a traffic ticket and then saw CNN put several(and there are several reported every month) cases of excessive force from police, the worst violent criminals would run rampant and you'd all demand something be done. A very extreme minority in that case would likely form posse's or vigillante groups and end up dead because they aren't as hard as the criminals they'd try and face off. You need police Nut you do. And they will always be here.

Me and my ignorance?

Just the few times I have had any contact with police have proven to me that they were useless as boobies on a boar hog.

In the late 70s it was the CID and MP's in Texas. (lying during the follow up investigation after brutal treatment during an arrest of a hitchhiker I picked up and dropped off).

In the early 80s it was a couple of County Sherriffs' deputies who just wouldn't listen nor follow the law after tresspassing on my property.

In the 90's it was the local Keystone Cops stumbling through an investigation of a break-in/burglary of my home. Incompetent waste of tax dollars.

BTW: in two of those instances I wasn't breaking the law, and in the burglary I did the work to find the MFer who broke into my home. The only thing Barney Fife and Co could find would be the closest donut shop.

Brutality, perjury, breaking of state laws and just plain unqualified morons with guns.

I CAN survive without cops. They are useless, arrogant, POS!


I almost forgot to address your 90-100% comment. I personally think that on avg.,at a minimum, more than 33% of the force is guilty of breaking the law (some law) while on duty and 50%+ are unqualified morons with a license to kill!

Then when you add the cover-ups committed by those who are supposed to investigate police brutallity and fraud, you get the total mistrust for those who we pay to serve us.

**** them all IMO!

The Cops, the Deputies, the Chiefs, the Detectives, the DA's, the Internal nvestigators and the Judges who allow the bastards to continue to break the law.

Let's just go back to policing ourselves. Everyone carries a BIG STICK and handles their own issues.

Spider
09-06-2010, 07:25 AM
You and your ignorance are going to start pissing me off when all I have done is present rational arguments from the other side. You are flame bating intentionally trying to gaod me into saying something contradictory. I have never ever said to turn a blind eye to anyone who breaks the law. In fact I believ I have made it plain that my belief that we are and should be held to a higher standard means that bad cops found guilty should be punished just the same if not worse than the criminals they are sworn to stop. Squeeky wheel gets the greese and until you put a stat that is true and shows that 90-100% of law enforcement officials are are guilty of this than in my opinion you are just salty at Law Enforcement for whatever reason and cannot be reasoned with. If every cop disapeared off the streets tomorrow you and every citizen thats ever decried cops just because you got a traffic ticket and then saw CNN put several(and there are several reported every month) cases of excessive force from police, the worst violent criminals would run rampant and you'd all demand something be done. A very extreme minority in that case would likely form posse's or vigillante groups and end up dead because they aren't as hard as the criminals they'd try and face off. You need police Nut you do. And they will always be here.
cosign ......... I never seen you defend abuse .........

Rohirrim
09-06-2010, 07:28 AM
There have been so many instances of abuse lately that I'm really beginning to wonder if their are any cops left on "the other side." Whenever my 19 year old son goes to LoDo, I warn him to stay away from the riff-raff and knuckleheads, and the cops.

SPfloppy
09-06-2010, 07:31 AM
Me and my ignorance?

Just the few times I have had any contact with police have proven to me that they were useless as boobies on a boar hog.

In the late 70s it was the CID and MP's in Texas. (lying during the follow up investigation after brutal treatment during an arrest of a hitchhiker I picked up and dropped off).

In the early 80s it was a couple of County Sherrifs' deputies who just wouldn't listen nor follow the law after tresspassing on my property.

In the 90's it was the local Keystone Cops stumbling through an investigation of a break-in/burglary of my home. Incompetant waste of tax dollars

Brutality, perjury, breaking of state laws and just plain unqualified morons with guns.

I CAN survive without cops. They are useless arrogant POS!


I almost forgot to address your 90-100% comment. I personally think that on avg.,at a minimum, more than 25% of the force is guilty of breaking the law while on duty and 50%+ are unqualified morons with a license to kill!

Then when you add the cover-ups commited by those who are supposed to investigate police brutallity and fraud, you get the total mistrust for those who we pay to serve us.

**** them all IMO!

The Cops, the Deputies, the Chiefs, the Detectives, the DA's, the Internal nvestigators and the Judges who allow the bastards to continue to break the law.

Let's just go back to policing ourselves. Everyone carries a BIG STICK and handles their own issues.

You listed Army CID and MP as a part of your resume but chose to exclude ay of the good works you did while on duty. Why ignor this?You may have something that backs up Law Enfocement. Or were you a bad cop? I doubt you were a bad cop IE your stance on bad cops. So why exclude your experiences after envoking you position? Could it be that you did your job well and are reflective of the majority? That is to say Good Cops. Your experience would have allowed you no doubt, contact with prosecuters an a version of internal affairs or STAN/EVAL as is more common in military law enfocement. That (IMO) would indicate that you'd likely have seen or possibily have seen that there is almost nothing that activates the salvitory glands of a prosecuter, Judge, or IA more than the thought of nailing a crooked cop. Afterall they make their job harder and undermine their efforts.

It is obvious that niether you nor I are going to re-shape each others opinions on the subject. I believe I am right and you believe you are right. Lets stop this now so we don't end up breaking this argument down into personal and offensive attacks. For instance as a representative of the other side of your argument, I would never say something like "**** them all" in refernce to the side you represent. That would be base and callous and likely wouldn't lend me and my argument any credit. I wish you well in your day and hope you will forever remain safe at night without needing a cop to help protect you.

SPfloppy
09-06-2010, 07:32 AM
cosign ......... I never seen you defend abuse .........

I'm sorry Spider I don't understand your post

Spider
09-06-2010, 12:55 PM
I'm sorry Spider I don't understand your post

just means I agree with your post

SPfloppy
09-06-2010, 01:33 PM
Thnx dude

Rohirrim
09-06-2010, 08:21 PM
Do NOT watch if you're squeamish:

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http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2007-05/29725399.jpg

****ing murderer. May he rot in hell.

cutthemdown
09-07-2010, 01:35 AM
Nutt are you reffering to all cops as pigs or just these few who betray their obligation to the communities they are supposed to protect

no he's saying it's so bad none of them can be trusted.

cutthemdown
09-07-2010, 01:39 AM
I don't really trust cops. But its more because anytime you need so many of something, it's impossible to get all honest, good people.

The problem is the good ones often protect the bad ones for some reason. At least until its too late they do.

That one video I guess the cop says get up, so the guy tries to stand up, then he shoots him 3 times? Its sort of dark, hard to know whose saying what. Obviously he will say he thought he was going for a gun right? Then the guy is screaming in pain and he says shut the **** up? I mean you just shot the guy what do you think he is going to do.

cutthemdown
09-07-2010, 01:48 AM
So in the Ellio shooting case a jury cleared the officer.

TailgateNut
09-07-2010, 03:18 AM
no he's saying it's so bad none of them can be trusted.

Maybe there are some areas of the country where the ratio of good cop/ bad cop is reversed , but from my perspective/ experience and recent trends, I do not see any reason to trust cops.
IMO, they are worse than the avg. "joe" because they are charged with upholding the law, are paid by the people they abuse and are as corrupt as those they arrest.

SPfloppy
09-07-2010, 05:28 AM
Maybe there are some areas of the country where the ratio of good cop/ bad cop is reversed , but from my perspective/ experience and recent trends, I do not see any reason to trust cops.
IMO, they are worse than the avg. "joe" because they are charged with upholding the law, are paid by the people they abuse and are as corrupt as those they arrest.

Well cutemdown I guess that shoots down your theory of him not talking about all cops.

TailgateNut
09-07-2010, 10:51 AM
You listed Army CID and MP as a part of your resume but chose to exclude ay of the good works you did while on duty. Why ignor this?You may have something that backs up Law Enfocement. Or were you a bad cop? I doubt you were a bad cop IE your stance on bad cops.

.


It wasn't part of my resume', they were involved in the charges against me which were dropped after conclusion of the investigation. What did occur due to their ****-ups is that I was grounded from flying, was placed on base restrictions for the period it took them to pull their heads out of their collective asses and it also caused me to tell the Army to take a flying **** when they issued orders for me to seerve another tour overseas.

My duties during my time in the service varied from Depot level assembly and testing of aircraft, patrolling the DMZ, flying/ testing prototype electronic warfare aircraft and then working at the Test pilot training center developing training films and curriculum used to train future "crash test dummies".Hilarious!

As I stated previously, every damn encounter I've ever had with law enforcement has revealed their corrupt, coniving, and utterly incompetent personalities.

Two of those encounters cost me dearly although I wasn't guilty of breaking any laws.

So, in closing, they can all suck my sweaty balls!

I don't trust them, as far as I can throw them. Apparantly their only goal in life is to get a shiny badge and to abuses to power inherant of their position.

Rohirrim
09-07-2010, 10:58 AM
So in the Ellio shooting case a jury cleared the officer.

Juries often acquit cops, even when they are murderers.

cutthemdown
09-07-2010, 11:05 AM
Juries often acquit cops, even when they are murderers.

I guess best thing to do is avoid cops. Really in the Elio case his buddy got him shot by leading cops on a high speed chase. Had they not done that I doubt they get shot. That and the fact the video is grainy and hard to see what is going on I can understand why jury didn't convict.

Not saying it was right only that stupid drunk people don't come off well in a video.

Rohirrim
09-07-2010, 11:25 AM
I guess best thing to do is avoid cops. Really in the Elio case his buddy got him shot by leading cops on a high speed chase. Had they not done that I doubt they get shot. That and the fact the video is grainy and hard to see what is going on I can understand why jury didn't convict.

Not saying it was right only that stupid drunk people don't come off well in a video.

He was on his hands and knees on the ground and the cop shot him in the back. That's all I need to know. That's murder.

cutthemdown
09-07-2010, 01:47 PM
He was on his hands and knees on the ground and the cop shot him in the back. That's all I need to know. That's murder.

Actually he lived.

Rohirrim
09-07-2010, 04:01 PM
Actually he lived.

That's a relief. Hopefully, the feds lock up this cop.

TailgateNut
09-07-2010, 04:07 PM
That's a relief. Hopefully, the feds lock up this cop.

That wont happen. They give them a badge and a gun and then they are part of the CorruptOfficerPosse.

Your treatment/ mis-treatment just depends on how badly their hormones are acting up. ....and if they DO break the law, one of their own investigates and clears them of all charges and they get a few days paid leave.

It's a ****ing joke!

SPfloppy
09-10-2010, 11:11 AM
That wont happen. They give them a badge and a gun and then they are part of the CorruptOfficerPosse.

Your treatment/ mis-treatment just depends on how badly their hormones are acting up. ....and if they DO break the law, one of their own investigates and clears them of all charges and they get a few days paid leave.

It's a ****ing joke!

If you actually knew the inside of that process you wouldn't call it a joke. Nobody is your friend during a shooting board. especially these days with videos leaking out and being judged by the media and viewers of cable news.

cutthemdown
09-10-2010, 12:08 PM
If you actually knew the inside of that process you wouldn't call it a joke. Nobody is your friend during a shooting board. especially these days with videos leaking out and being judged by the media and viewers of cable news.

You have to admit though that last shooting the guy was cleared on was pretty bad. You hear cop say get up!!!, Get up!!! then right when dude tries to stand up he shoots him 3 times. Pretty hard to understand that one regardless.

SPfloppy
09-10-2010, 01:15 PM
You have to admit though that last shooting the guy was cleared on was pretty bad. You hear cop say get up!!!, Get up!!! then right when dude tries to stand up he shoots him 3 times. Pretty hard to understand that one regardless.

Amn Carrion's shooting hurt alot of people. He and I are members of the same service and a close knit family of Security Police/Forces(hence SP floppy). When that happened it hurt us as fellow LE officers and we closely examined what had happened. Amn Carrion did as he was told and complied in the way he likely had everytime he had been in a training situation and behaved the way he'd have wished his subjects did everytime he himself had made a stop or challnged a suspect or violator. As I have mentioned quite a few times in all my posts here there are some very bad examples of cops that make our job all that much more hard because of the level of attention garnered in the national media. I won't speak for Amn Carrion because I cannot. However I feel safe in assuming he would agree with my assertion that not all cops are dirtbags that take liberties and use excessive force as was done to him by somebody who should under normal circumstances be considered a brother in arms. I did not sit in on any of these hearrings on this case as such could not say why the officer was exonerated. But typical SOP is your are judged by your perception of the circumstances as they appear to you "AT THE TIME" of the incident. That is in no way forgiving any use of excessive force. that is merley an explaination of how this goes down. Aquitted or not the officer in this case lives everyday with the consequences of what he did as do every officer who ever used force right or wrong. Trust me when I tell you that even though you may be right in all asspects of a physical encounter with a suspect, you will think on it often and wonder why you did this or didn't do that. I have a few of those that roll around my head frequently.

Rohirrim
09-10-2010, 01:23 PM
IMO, these things always come down to the same thing, the officer violates one (or both) of two rules. Rule one: Don't take it personally. Rule Two: Don't get emotional. The police are there to enforce the law, not to impose their personal codes. That's why society gives them a uniform, a badge, and a gun - to represent the law. They are not there to represent themselves. If they can't accept that, they should find a different job.

SPfloppy
09-10-2010, 01:29 PM
IMO, these things always come down to the same thing, the officer violates one (or both) of two rules. Rule one: Don't take it personally. Rule Two: Don't get emotional. The police are there to enforce the law, not to impose their personal codes. That's why society gives them a uniform, a badge, and a gun - to represent the law. They are not there to represent themselves. If they can't accept that, they should find a different job.

Well put Roh.

oubronco
09-10-2010, 01:31 PM
Do NOT watch if you're squeamish:

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http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2007-05/29725399.jpg

I suppose this cop got suspended with pay then nothing happened to him right

SPfloppy
09-10-2010, 01:33 PM
Read the above posts apparently he was cleared

oubronco
09-10-2010, 01:36 PM
You and your ignorance are going to start pissing me off when all I have done is present rational arguments from the other side. You are flame bating intentionally trying to gaod me into saying something contradictory. I have never ever said to turn a blind eye to anyone who breaks the law. In fact I believ I have made it plain that my belief that we are and should be held to a higher standard means that bad cops found guilty should be punished just the same if not worse than the criminals they are sworn to stop. Squeeky wheel gets the greese and until you put a stat that is true and shows that 90-100% of law enforcement officials are are guilty of this than in my opinion you are just salty at Law Enforcement for whatever reason and cannot be reasoned with. If every cop disapeared off the streets tomorrow you and every citizen thats ever decried cops just because you got a traffic ticket and then saw CNN put several(and there are several reported every month) cases of excessive force from police, the worst violent criminals would run rampant and you'd all demand something be done. A very extreme minority in that case would likely form posse's or vigillante groups and end up dead because they aren't as hard as the criminals they'd try and face off. You need police Nut you do. And they will always be here.

This is just ignorance you can not justify this BS and they need to be in prison

SPfloppy
09-10-2010, 01:43 PM
This is just ignorance you can not justify this BS and they need to be in prison

Alright Oklahmoa lets review my resume and insight into this and we can compare levels of ignorance after we compare it with yours:

10 Years Law Enforcement
Formally trained in application and use of force to include deadly force
Could not count the number of incidents I have processed or witinessed envolving the use of force including execessive force
I have also been on the other side of this equasion. I was arrested three times
Witinessed countless friends and family members arrested and ekvolved in police use of force

Your turn:

Are you now or have you ever been a law enforcement official in any capacity?

Have you been arrested or had force used upon your person by a law enforcement official?

Did you bother to read the rest of the posts I made in this thread explaining my stance thru well put explainations that include multiple mentions of my not forgiving actual use of execessive force?

I await your reply. this is not flame bait. You called me ignorant and reffered to what i wrote as "BS" so this is merley an attempt to validate your comments. thank you for your response in advance

TailgateNut
09-10-2010, 06:18 PM
alright oklahmoa lets review my resume and insight into this and we can compare levels of ignorance after we compare it with yours:

10 years law enforcement
formally trained in application and use of force to include deadly force
could not count the number of incidents i have processed or witinessed envolving the use of force including execessive force
i have also been on the other side of this equasion. I was arrested three times
witinessed countless friends and family members arrested and ekvolved in police use of force

your turn:

Are you now or have you ever been a law enforcement official in any capacity?

Have you been arrested or had force used upon your person by a law enforcement official?

Did you bother to read the rest of the posts i made in this thread explaining my stance thru well put explainations that include multiple mentions of my not forgiving actual use of execessive force?

I await your reply. This is not flame bait. You called me ignorant and reffered to what i wrote as "bs" so this is merley an attempt to validate your comments. Thank you for your response in advance

pig!

SPfloppy
09-10-2010, 07:30 PM
pig!

Nit that isn't even worthy of your rep in here. This shows a lack of imagination and does no credit to your or OUBroncho's argument. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-10-2010, 09:02 PM
He and I are members of the same service and a close knit family of Security Police/Forces(hence SP floppy).

When were you in? What organization (i.e., SAC, TAC, etc?) Were you LE or SP?

SPfloppy
09-11-2010, 05:31 AM
When were you in? What organization (i.e., SAC, TAC, etc?) Were you LE or SP?

Still on active duty but currently on a special duty out of SF for the time being. SAC, TAC and MAC shut their doors before I joined up. However almost to a man, every NCO over the grade of SSgt that trained and reared me were old SAC cold warriors. I now work in SAC's great grandchild command AF Global strike(a bastard SAC wouldn't claim as it's relative). I was trained srtaight security spec before the caeer field merger and later after being trained on LE I worked as a patroman/desk sgt/flt chief for almost 10 years before comming over to do my current job. And unto SF I shall return in another year and change.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-13-2010, 05:58 AM
Still on active duty but currently on a special duty out of SF for the time being. SAC, TAC and MAC shut their doors before I joined up. However almost to a man, every NCO over the grade of SSgt that trained and reared me were old SAC cold warriors. I now work in SAC's great grandchild command AF Global strike(a bastard SAC wouldn't claim as it's relative). I was trained srtaight security spec before the caeer field merger and later after being trained on LE I worked as a patroman/desk sgt/flt chief for almost 10 years before comming over to do my current job. And unto SF I shall return in another year and change.

SAC here (449 Security Police Squadron.) Worked B-52/KC-135 alert areas, WSAs, mass ramps, and ECPs.

Been out so long I didn't know SAC was gone.

Damn, I'm old! :olddude:

SPfloppy
09-13-2010, 06:07 AM
SAC here (449 Security Police Squadron.) Worked B-52/KC-135 alert areas, WSAs, mass ramps, and ECPs.

Been out so long I didn't know SAC was gone.

Damn, I'm old! :olddude:

If it makes you feel old I won't tell you when it disapeared

BroncoBuff
09-13-2010, 06:20 AM
Dang, LA ... never knew that. Where, Altus, Spokane, Omaha?

ant1999 works with the new STRATCOMM now I think: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=45800&page=3

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-13-2010, 06:44 AM
Dang, LA ... never knew that. Where, Altus, Spokane, Omaha?

ant1999 works with the new STRATCOMM now I think: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=45800&page=3

Last duty station was the now-defunct Kincheloe AFB in Northern Michigan.

http://www.strategic-air-command.com/bases/Kincheloe_AFB.htm

SPfloppy
09-13-2010, 06:54 AM
I remembered this comming up once(LA's service) but couldn't remember exactly.

BABronco
05-22-2011, 10:27 AM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aff_1306034060

Cops slam handicapped person on their face.

Dudeskey
05-22-2011, 07:26 PM
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aff_1306034060

Cops slam handicapped person on their face.

The Denver police would say "hey, at least we didn't shoot him like we did last time we had a disabled person (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3344649/detail.html)".

BABronco
05-24-2011, 08:59 AM
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Would other parents allow this to happen to their 10 yr old? Would you call the cops if you kid wasnt listening to you?

Rohirrim
08-17-2012, 05:43 AM
The latest execution by cops. This one in broad daylight on a Michigan street.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/us/michigan-police-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

cutthemdown
08-17-2012, 11:23 AM
If you pull a knife on cops you might get shot. But also Roh I agree seems like they could have used a taser or bean bags. But is there a cop we can't see on the left he walks towards? If so he may have just gotten too close. That really was a firing squad though. I think if I was a cop I would shoot him in the leg. Say drop the knife or i am going to shoot you in the leg. If he didn't drop then I would shoot him in the leg. Going from drop the knife to firing 50 rounds seems sort of like they just wanted to shoot him.

Still though no sane person would stand around cops with knife telling them to release the kracken.

cutthemdown
08-17-2012, 11:30 AM
Police often just seem like they go out looking to escalate situations so they can kick ass.

My ideas on it are.

1-Random drug testing for steroids and other illegal drugs. Every officer can expect to get tested after any use of force incident. Just like how when you work construction. If you get injured, they test you. IMO that will make cops not take steroids, and not be quick to want to get into fights and shoot people.

2-Move cops around more. By letting them breed into a culture of a gang it makes them hard to control. I feel best thing is to have them move around to different stations, different assignments, maybe like every 3 yrs or so.

3-Then also they need more civilian oversight. Often the civilian over site is more concerned with protecting the liability of the city then of having a just police force.

4- Get rid of the police unions. All they do is protect bad cops and make them cost too much.

Rohirrim
08-07-2013, 08:43 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/08/07/dnt-iowa-police-surveillance-beating.wqad.html

NUB
08-07-2013, 09:06 PM
Cops operate outside of society, that's pretty obvious by this point.

BABronco
03-04-2014, 12:05 PM
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Encanto-San-Diego-Shooting-Police-Officers-64th-Street-247554391.html#ixzz2v1CBAs3D

Two people were injured in an officer-involved shooting in Encanto early Thursday.

Officers were serving a narcotics-related search warrant at 604 64th Street around 7:30 a.m.
when they were threatened, according to SDPD Lt. Jorge Duran.

A member of the San Diego police narcotics unit repeatedly knocked on the front window of the home while the team was executing the search warrant.
As the officer knocked, the window broke, police said.

As the officer looked inside the residence, the officer saw a 35-year-old man inside the room stand up and retrieve what appeared to be a weapon, officials said. Fearing he was going to use it, the officer fired several rounds according to investigators.

The man inside the room was shot in the hip area and was transported to a nearby hospital.

A second shooting victim, a 56-year-old woman, walked out of the home with a gunshot wound to the leg.

There were six people inside the home at the time of the shooting. None of the occupants was carrying a weapon, officials said.

No officers were injured.

The officer who fired the shots -- a three-year department veteran -- will be on paid administrative leave while the incident is under investigation.

The location is north of Atkins Avenue and south of Brooklyn Avenue where two elementary schools are located. No word on if students at the schools were impacted.

Pony Boy
03-04-2014, 12:43 PM
Post your police brutality videos here

Let me guess, you got your ass kicked by a cop in front of your girlfriend?

BABronco
03-04-2014, 12:49 PM
http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20140303/NEWS01/303030015/State-police-investigate-custody-death-New-Iberia-man?gcheck=1&nclick_check=1

Early Monday morning, Louisiana State Police detectives began investigating the death of 22-year-old Victor White III of New Iberia after he was found dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Troopers began the investigation at the request of Iberia Parish Sheriff Louis Ackal.

The initial investigation indicates that around 11:22 p.m. Sunday, deputies with the Iberia Parish Sheriff’s Office were responding to the report of a fight in the 300 block of Lewis Street.

Upon responding to the area, deputies located White and discovered he was in possession of illegal narcotics. White was taken into custody, handcuffed behind his back and transported to the Iberia Parish Sheriff’s Office for processing.

Once at the sheriff’s office, White became uncooperative and refused to exit the deputy’s patrol vehicle. As the deputy requested assistance from other deputies, White produced a handgun and fired one round, striking himself in the back.

Shot himself in the back while handcuffed. Talented man.. and this isnt a one time incident.

BABronco
03-04-2014, 12:50 PM
Let me guess, you got your ass kicked by a cop in front of your girlfriend?

Guess again bootlicker

Pony Boy
03-04-2014, 01:13 PM
Guess again bootlicker

Ok I'll try again, Let me guess, you got your ass kicked by a cop in front of your boyfriend?

BABronco
03-04-2014, 01:23 PM
Ok I'll try again, Let me guess, you got your ass kicked by a cop in front of your boyfriend?

Let me guess, you got rejected from pig academy? And way to completely over look the videos and stories in the thread and go straight to attack mode. :thumbs:

TheReverend
03-04-2014, 01:55 PM
I would like to see the police get more funding so they're less dependent on writing tickets for silly things and can shift the focus where it belongs battling more significant crime. I also think it would greatly increase their reputation and relationship with the American public.

Just my two cents. By all means, back to your polarizing rage.

alkemical
03-04-2014, 05:52 PM
I would like to see the police get more funding so they're less dependent on writing tickets for silly things and can shift the focus where it belongs battling more significant crime. I also think it would greatly increase their reputation and relationship with the American public.

Just my two cents. By all means, back to your polarizing rage.


That's already happening. Police departments are getting mraps, etc.

peacepipe
03-04-2014, 06:21 PM
I would like to see the police get more funding so they're less dependent on writing tickets for silly things and can shift the focus where it belongs battling more significant crime. I also think it would greatly increase their reputation and relationship with the American public.

Just my two cents. By all means, back to your polarizing rage.

No matter how much funding they get they are always going to be writing tickets,it's part of their job.

BABronco
03-07-2014, 10:12 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/06/border-cavity-search_n_4907225.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Customs and Border Protection and a Texas hospital allegedly subjected a woman to repeated anal and vaginal cavity searches over a period of six hours without her consent and without a warrant, leaving her traumatized, according to a lawsuit filed in December. The hospital then allegedly sent the woman a bill for more than $5,000 after she refused to sign a consent form.

The civil lawsuit against CBP and the University Medical Center of El Paso, where some of the cavity searches were performed, raises questions about what legal protections are available to people when crossing an increasingly militarized border.

"Whether or not this reflects a pattern of practice [at CBP] is not yet clear," the woman's attorney, Laura Schauer Ives, told The Huffington Post. "But that the agents felt emboldened to do this, I think, is telling."

According to the complaint, which received renewed attention this past weekend after being featured on the public radio show "On the Media," the plaintiff is a 54-year-old woman from New Mexico who traveled to Ciudad Juárez in December 2012 to visit a close family friend who had been deported. The plaintiff, a U.S. citizen, asked the court to proceed anonymously due to the "highly personal and sensitive nature of the events."

When the woman returned to the United States through the port of entry at El Paso, Texas, border officials randomly selected her for further screening, the lawsuit says. While she was in line, a drug dog lunged at her, leading authorities to believe she was carrying drugs.

They then began a series of invasive cavity searches, the suit alleges. When those exams revealed nothing, authorities sent the plaintiff, referred to in the suit as "Jane Doe," to the University Medical Center of El Paso for more.

Rohirrim
03-15-2014, 06:36 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/03/14/mxp-sot-deputy-shoots-elderly-mane-reaching-for-cane.cnn.html

BABronco
03-19-2014, 05:54 PM
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Very clear sound of the bone breaking

BABronco
03-19-2014, 05:58 PM
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/p526x296/1978618_10152238853493189_69730295_n.jpg I didn't make it, but I completely agree. Most of the cops in videos/stories in this thread got a paid vacation and then transfered to a different area.

BABronco
03-19-2014, 06:03 PM
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