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The Lone Bolt
06-20-2008, 10:58 AM
Vapor Fuel Invents 30% More Efficient Engine Combustion System

Ray Bushnell and company co-founder Bob Reid say they're close to perfecting Vapor Fuel Technologies' fuel delivery system, a new way for optimally mixing fuel and air before it explodes in a combustion chamber.

Vapor Fuel's product faces daunting hurdles, not least the difficulty of adding devices to today's computer-controlled gas engines, an ambitious 2009 production schedule and the potential for demand to plummet if gas prices return to earth.

But the company has five patents in hand and four pending. And a certified testing lab last year in Southern California documented a 30 percent mileage increase in a Ford F-150 with the Vapor Fuel system. "Timing is everything," said Joe Jones, the California lab's research director. "And certainly their timing is right."

Today's engines are far more complex, notes Jack Friedman, general manager of Unichip of North America in Hillsboro, which is developing an add-on to sync Vapor Fuel's device with manufacturers' on-board engine computers.

Computers monitor everything from air temperatures to throttle position to atmospheric pressure fast enough to regulate an engine turning up to 100 times a second. Unichip's software includes 94,000 data points for engine timing alone.

The company started out by heating gasoline enough to vaporize it before it entered the piston chamber -- an idea inspired by one of Reid's acquaintances, who ran a car off a 6-foot-long tank of vaporized fuel.

That causes it to expand ( the same principle a hot air balloon relies on) and fill up more space with less air. Combined with vaporized gasoline, they could keep the air-fuel ratio the same, dodging the pollution problem.

The heated mixture had another benefit, Bushnell and Dean said. Its "flame speed" -- how fast it burned -- and its explosive potential were higher than normal. That meant much more of it could be exploded when the piston was at its optimum position. And that meant they could use less gasoline without sacrificing power.

The system pulls heat from the radiator system to heat the fuel, and waste heat from the exhaust manifold to heat the air.

Vapor Fuels hopes to get CARB certification later this summer after Unichip completes its work. Meantime, they're talking with investors and potential buyers, with plans to start sales by the third quarter of 2009. Its first target market: North America's 102 million light trucks and sport utility vehicles.

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news08/next-energy-news6.20.08c.html

Here's the website:

http://www.vftllc.com/index.htm

Dudeskey
06-20-2008, 11:43 AM
I don't see why they wouldn't have the technology to do better. I remember hearing something about a 1950's packard able to get nearly 30 mpg right off the showroom floor.

TheReverend
06-20-2008, 11:54 AM
I dunno, the facility they tested it at:

http://www.ceecalif.com/clients.html

Is pretty damn ghetto, but their client list is respectable... personally unsure of how valid this is.

The Lone Bolt
06-20-2008, 12:00 PM
I dunno, the facility they tested it at:

http://www.ceecalif.com/clients.html

Is pretty damn ghetto, but their client list is respectable... personally unsure of how valid this is.

If it's CARB certified I'm sure it's legit.

TheReverend
06-20-2008, 12:09 PM
If it's CARB certified I'm sure it's legit.

Not necessarily... here's the one I work at as a QA/QC analyst:

http://www.eswamerica.com/

We're CARB certified, and a much nicer facility (though I'm extremely jealous of their shed) and I have a job because analyzers **** up and quite often technicians don't catch it... did the article say if the results were approved by CARB or the EPA yet?

The Lone Bolt
06-20-2008, 12:29 PM
Not necessarily... here's the one I work at as a QA/QC analyst:

http://www.eswamerica.com/

We're CARB certified, and a much nicer facility (though I'm extremely jealous of their shed) and I have a job because analyzers **** up and quite often technicians don't catch it... did the article say if the results were approved by CARB or the EPA yet?

Well here's what the website says:

VFT's system was independently tested and verified at California Environmental Engineering (CEE) on April 25, 2007. CEE is an EPA recognized and California Air Resources Board (CARB) certified independent test laboratory located in Santa Ana, California. CEE has over twenty-five years of test experience and state of the art equipment. The results demonstrated an average improvement of 30.1% in miles per gallon when using the VFT System.

The mileage tests were based on the standard EPA Highway format. This format requires the vehicle to accelerate, decelerate and cruise at various speeds between about 35 and 60 miles per hour (mph) with an average speed of 48 mph. These driving conditions would be difficult, if not impossible, for the gasoline HCCI and Autoignition efforts currently underway by others but were easily achieved using the VFT System. Three tests each were performed using the VFT System and then the stock system. The results of the tests were consistent and did not vary significantly from the averages.
Picture of actual Vapor Fuel Technologies realtime data.

VFT's system has been designed, developed and tested at Bushnell Engineering's facility in Beavercreek, Oregon. Hundreds of tests have been performed during the development and proof of concept process. Those tests included road tests up to 90 miles in duration as well as various dynamometer tests including EPA Highway and City Tests. Several vehicles have been tested during the seven year process.

So I'm guessing CARB or EPA have not approved the results yet. Thus the "?" at the end of my thread title. This technology looks promising but we shall see . . .

TheReverend
06-20-2008, 01:02 PM
Well here's what the website says:

So I'm guessing CARB or EPA have not approved the results yet. Thus the "?" at the end of my thread title. This technology looks promising but we shall see . . .

"VFT's system was independently tested and verified at California Environmental Engineering (CEE) on April 25, 2007. CEE is an EPA recognized and California Air Resources Board (CARB) certified independent test laboratory located in Santa Ana, California"

That's what I figure and its pretty standard for test labs. If you see that EPA or CARB have certified the data/tested it themselves for similar results, please follow up!

I wish something that exciting had been tested here, but instead we do Johnson Matthey projects and Diesel Injection systems like it's going out of style.

I'm not sure why CEE is only running the HWFET and not including the FTP results... that part is particularly suspiscious to me.

The Lone Bolt
06-20-2008, 01:18 PM
Well another reason I find this tech promising is that another company in Canada claims to have also perfected a fuel vapor system: http://www.fuelvaporcar.com/

They appear to have a working prototype based on the technology and will be entering their car in the Auto X-Prize next year.

TheReverend
06-20-2008, 01:25 PM
Well another reason I find this tech promising is that another company in Canada claims to have also perfected a fuel vapor system: http://www.fuelvaporcar.com/

They appear to have a working prototype based on the technology and will be entering their car in the Auto X-Prize next year.

Exciting stuff, but I have to believe when I see it.

We had a company called Sabertech come in with a magic tail pipe attachment (basically a bunch of mesh with no actual precious metal for a catalytic reaction) that increased fuel economy 30%. After we finished testing, you guessed, it did nothing.

The Lone Bolt
06-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Exciting stuff, but I have to believe when I see it.

We had a company called Sabertech come in with a magic tail pipe attachment (basically a bunch of mesh with no actual precious metal for a catalytic reaction) that increased fuel economy 30%. After we finished testing, you guessed, it did nothing.

LOL

No doubt. But the fuel vapor tech seems to work on the same principle as HCCI engines that are being so vigorously pursued by major automakers, so that too suggests that it may work.

And as for CARB cert, I overlooked this quote at the bottom of the article:

Vapor Fuels hopes to get CARB certification later this summer after Unichip completes its work.

TheReverend
06-20-2008, 02:27 PM
LOL

No doubt. But the fuel vapor tech seems to work on the same principle as HCCI engines that are being so vigorously pursued by major automakers, so that too suggests that it may work.

And as for CARB cert, I overlooked this quote at the bottom of the article:

Ahhh... well hopefully CARB agrees! I'll get in line to buy with these prices!