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Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 03:45 PM
The Chiefs drafted a franchise left tackle this year. So did the Broncos.

By the end of the year one of them will clearly be the better player. Albert has the challenge of keeping Breaky Frayle's limbs unmangled, while Clady will attempt to keep defenders away from Jay "diabeetus" Cutler.

I'm certain Albert will be the next Marcus McNeill, while Clady will be reduced to protecting Cutler's insulin pump on the sideline, because as you're all well aware, I'm never wrong.

Albert will also allow fewer sacks. We'll use this website to track that stat throughout the season:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8792&team=12

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8789&team=7

Let the games begin.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0421/nfl_i_albert_300.jpghttp://intheblackhole.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/clady.jpg

Offseason: Albert looks more menacing and much deadlier in his football uniform. The visor is a plus.

Winner: Branden Albert

bronco militia
06-18-2008, 03:48 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0421/nfl_i_albert_300.jpghttp://intheblackhole.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/clady.jpg

Offseason: Albert looks much better in his uniform.

Winner: Branden Albert

not that there's anything wrong with that

:curtsey:

crowebomber
06-18-2008, 03:50 PM
I had a turkey sandwich with spicy mustard for lunch.

brother love
06-18-2008, 03:52 PM
Great Picture of Brandon Albert not blocking anybody! Lets hope that trend continues.

Kaylore
06-18-2008, 03:55 PM
Great Picture of Brandon Albert not blocking anybody! Lets hope that trend continues.

Exactly. Albert is doing nothing. Clady is blocking the snot out of his man. Winner: Clady. And please keep this thread. The last one Bob started (Cutler Vs. Croyle) turned into a total delight. It will be funny when Albert isn't even playing LT at the opener and still struggles more than Clady.ROFL!

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 03:57 PM
Exactly. Albert is doing nothing. Clady is blocking the snot out of his man. Winner: Clady. And please keep this thread. The last one Bob started (Cutler Vs. Croyle) turned into a total delight. It will be funny when Albert isn't even playing LT at the opener and still struggles more than Clady.ROFL!

I see Clady holding, not blocking.

As for Albert, the defenders are clearly scared out of their minds. They're getting out of the way of that freight train! CHOO CHOO! HERE COMES THE 71 EXPRESS!

broncocalijohn
06-18-2008, 04:02 PM
If it comes from Boob, it isnt official. Now we havent talked food in awhile. Where is the best Mexican restuarant in your area?

Greybeard
06-18-2008, 04:03 PM
That just goes to show how misguided you are.

Albert's a "franchise" left tackle? Guess you are clueless he was a guard in college? :welcome:

And what's with those tiny little shoulder pads??

I like this part of Albert's scouting report (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/og/brandenalbert.html): "Not a dominant run blocker." The guy was a guard. :rofl:

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PLOWHORSE
06-18-2008, 04:03 PM
Hey Dummasss...Holding jerseys at shoulder widths is legal in the NFL at the LOS. Clady had NFL blocking methods down pat even in college.

Gcver2ver3
06-18-2008, 04:04 PM
NOTE: the original contents of this message has been deleted by the user due to him making a complete butt of himself...:afro:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 04:04 PM
My guess is Albert is a dominant run blocker this year and gives up about five sacks. He'll rack up five or six penalties.

Clady will struggle to block anyone in the run game and give up about 12 sacks and commit 10 penalties. Ouch!

TheReverend
06-18-2008, 04:08 PM
being that Albert was picked moderately earlier...he is supposed to be better...you guys passed up Clady for Albert so the pressure is on the Chiefs and Albert...

i'll laugh quite hard if Clady has the better year...lol

..........?

Gcver2ver3
06-18-2008, 04:08 PM
My guess is Albert is a dominant run blocker this year and gives up about five sacks. He'll rack up five or six penalties.

Clady will struggle to block anyone in the run game and give up about 12 sacks and commit 10 penalties. Ouch!

message deleted again...

TheReverend
06-18-2008, 04:08 PM
well considering that you guys used a top five pick on him and passed up Clady for him, you better hope you're right....lol

Dude... they took Dorsey at 5 and Albert in the teens...

Gcver2ver3
06-18-2008, 04:08 PM
oops my bad...:P

BroncoMan4ever
06-18-2008, 04:12 PM
I see Clady holding, not blocking.

As for Albert, the defenders are clearly scared out of their minds. They're getting out of the way of that freight train! CHOO CHOO! HERE COMES THE 71 EXPRESS!

Offensive linemen hold every play. The thing that separates the best from the rest is not getting caught.

Kaylore
06-18-2008, 04:13 PM
Here's a picture of Albert playing left tackle:

http://www.propertyfinder.com/im/noimage400x300.gif

Here's a picture of Clady playing left tackle:

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/8758-1/Clady.jpg

Clady wins again!

UboBronco
06-18-2008, 04:14 PM
I am sure Boob would say he wins with a stat line like below. Good football knowledge is so hard to find.

Clady has this statline at the end of the year.. 3 sacks allowed... 6 penalties.. 16 games started.

Albert....1 sack allowed... 2 penalties, 1 game started..2 games played. So who has the better stats?

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 04:14 PM
Here's a picture of Albert playing left tackle:

http://www.propertyfinder.com/im/noimage400x300.gif

Here's a picture of Clady playing left tackle:

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/8758-1/Clady.jpg

Clady wins again!

Kaylore, how uninformed this post was. Albert played left tackle twice as senior.

Winner: Bob the informed.

kamakazi_kal
06-18-2008, 04:14 PM
:haw!:

Smiling Assassin27
06-18-2008, 04:17 PM
The Chiefs drafted a franchise left tackle this year. So did the Broncos.

By the end of the year one of them will clearly be the better player. Albert has the challenge of keeping Breaky Frayle's limbs unmangled, while Clady will attempt to keep defenders away from Jay "diabeetus" Cutler.

I'm certain Albert will be the next Marcus McNeill, while Clady will be reduced to protecting Cutler's insulin pump on the sideline, because as you're all well aware, I'm never wrong.

Albert will also allow fewer sacks. We'll use this website to track that stat throughout the season:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8792&team=12

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8789&team=7

Let the games begin.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0421/nfl_i_albert_300.jpghttp://intheblackhole.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/clady.jpg

Offseason: Albert looks more menacing and much deadlier in his football uniform. The visor is a plus.

Winner: Branden Albert

one guy's standing around not blocking (of course, the Chief) while the other is mauling someone using questionable tactics (obviously the Bronco). man, that picture needs to be destroyed--blatant hold.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 04:17 PM
Looks like Clady is also committing hands to the face!

TheReverend
06-18-2008, 04:21 PM
Looks like Clady is also committing hands to the face!

Looks like Albert is also committing "taking a break"

Paladin
06-18-2008, 04:22 PM
Boob needs a girlfriend....

kamakazi_kal
06-18-2008, 04:24 PM
Looks like Albert is also committing "taking a break"

You maybe right that's what you call it in college but, in the NFL
I think when you get paid then don't perform it's called an "LJ"

elsid13
06-18-2008, 04:30 PM
I watch a lot UVA football being in the state, and don't understand if Albert had the potential to be such great LT, Al Groh never played him there. (2 games don't count). It not like UVa had great NFL talent there.

Albert reminds me a lot of Foster.

elsid13
06-18-2008, 04:31 PM
Boob needs a goat....


FIXED IT FOR YOU

bronco militia
06-18-2008, 04:33 PM
Here's a picture of Albert playing left tackle:

http://www.propertyfinder.com/im/noimage400x300.gif

Here's a picture of Clady playing left tackle:

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/8758-1/Clady.jpg

Clady wins again!


:spit:

Boss Man
06-18-2008, 04:33 PM
Offseason: Albert looks more menacing and much deadlier in his football uniform. The visor is a plus.

Winner: Branden Albert

Albert may have a Visor, but Clady has dreads, straight g **** fat buah.... so the edge goes to clady

Merlin
06-18-2008, 04:37 PM
My guess is Albert ...gives up about five sacks... rack up five or six penalties in two games against Denver
I realize a number of us have expressed a fair amount of doubt regarding his play this year a LT, but I don't think we are being that cynical. I'm guessing only 4 sacks and 3-4 penalties. You can have a slightly more positive outlook on him.

Bronco Jamus
06-18-2008, 04:40 PM
All I know is our 5th round pick at DT destroyed Albert at Guard just about everytime they lined up across from each other.

boltaneer
06-18-2008, 04:43 PM
I think both of them will be disappointments. :)

bronco610
06-18-2008, 04:50 PM
Why does anyone even still respond to boob, come on Kaylore your better than this :kiddingme :kiddingme

kamakazi_kal
06-18-2008, 04:56 PM
I think both of them will be disappointments. :)

I think Elvis should go all Jonny "sweep the leg" Lawrence on Rivers.

Inkana7
06-18-2008, 05:05 PM
All I know is our 5th round pick at DT destroyed Albert at Guard just about everytime they lined up across from each other.

Haha. The Truth.

boltaneer
06-18-2008, 05:23 PM
I think Elvis should go all Jonny "sweep the leg" Lawrence on Rivers.

It's probably going to be the only way Denver will be able to stop him. :flower:

Inkana7
06-18-2008, 05:25 PM
It's probably going to be the only way Denver will be able to stop him. :flower:

http://www.notarobot.com/cobrakai.jpg

Sweep the leg, Elvis

Greybeard
06-18-2008, 05:41 PM
I think both of them will be disappointments. :)

You certainly hope so, don't you? ;)

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Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 05:53 PM
I watch a lot UVA football being in the state, and don't understand if Albert had the potential to be such great LT, Al Groh never played him there. (2 games don't count). It not like UVa had great NFL talent there.

Albert reminds me a lot of Foster.

They had tons of OL talent. Da Brick kept Albert at LG for three years. The last year the head coach said they wanted to keep Albert at LG because he was the best guard they had.

yerner
06-18-2008, 05:55 PM
"da brick" is garbage too.

SoDak Bronco
06-18-2008, 05:59 PM
I loved Albert going into the draft, the fact he ended up wiht KC was annoying...He should be a good player, I think both Albert and Clady will be impact players.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 05:59 PM
"da brick" is garbage too.

Sort of like Clady, eh?

KCStud
06-18-2008, 06:11 PM
I think both of these guys will have success, but will struggle some this season.

IMO both tackles were put in perfect situations to help their team. Clady fits Denvers system perfectly because he has great feet, big wingspan and can open the holes for the RB.
Albert is the mean hard nosed OT that is dominant in the running game and can block very well in space.

To say one is better than the other right now is dumb. Both have flaws. Albert has little experience at LT and Clady played in a weak conference and struggled at times.

Why don't we wait until we see them play?

24champ
06-18-2008, 06:12 PM
http://www.tti.net/pix/Predictive/predator5.jpg

Clady looks meaner.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 06:27 PM
That's not Clady. That's Dwayne Bowe.

http://i19.tinypic.com/8esjtlc.gif

mhgaffney
06-18-2008, 06:31 PM
This is for Booob:

Anyone can see Clady is a natrural at LT. He will be a franchise player for the Broncos for many years.

You want to split hairs? Fine.

But because of Clady just watch what Jay Cutler does this year!

It will be Jay unleashed.

Natedog24
06-18-2008, 06:40 PM
http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/obvious_troll.jpg

DenverBrit
06-18-2008, 06:48 PM
Here, this should help.

Greybeard
06-18-2008, 07:26 PM
They had tons of OL talent. Da Brick kept Albert at LG for three years. The last year the head coach said they wanted to keep Albert at LG because he was the best guard they had.

Mmmm-hmmm. LT is the most important position on the line, and they want to keep Albert at LG with that excuse.

Sure. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

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Greybeard
06-18-2008, 07:29 PM
I think both of these guys will have success, but will struggle some this season.

IMO both tackles were put in perfect situations to help their team. Clady fits Denvers system perfectly because he has great feet, big wingspan and can open the holes for the RB.
Albert is the mean hard nosed OT that is dominant in the running game and can block very well in space.

To say one is better than the other right now is dumb. Both have flaws. Albert has little experience at LT and Clady played in a weak conference and struggled at times.

Why don't we wait until we see them play?

To find out what a mean, dominant run blocker Albert is, please refer to Post #8.

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BroncoBuff
06-18-2008, 07:30 PM
Hate to break it to you Bobo, but just like the Dolphins are finding out about Jake Long, Brandon Albert is not a left tackle. Sorry.

He'l be a beast of a run-blocking guard, though.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 07:43 PM
Buff my friend, I think we've formed a mutual trust. Would you care to wager?

DenverBrit
06-18-2008, 07:59 PM
As the President might say.

sixtimeseight
06-18-2008, 09:30 PM
"da brick" is garbage too.

Seriously... That he couldn't beat out D'brickashaw at LT does not bode well for fatty fat fat's case.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-18-2008, 09:55 PM
Seriously... That he couldn't beat out D'brickashaw at LT does not bode well for fatty fat fat's case.

It wasn't a matter of beating him out. Brick was an elite college LT. Albert was entrenched as an elite college G. Moving them made no sense.

~Crash~
06-18-2008, 10:14 PM
I loved Albert going into the draft, the fact he ended up wiht KC was annoying...He should be a good player, I think both Albert and Clady will be impact players.

that Is about the speed of things love both players we both got great players.:approve:

SureShot
06-18-2008, 10:35 PM
I think Brando Albert will do just fine......at RIGHT TACKLE.

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 01:44 AM
Albert is pro-bowl guard. He's a very good right tackle and an average to below average left tackle.

KCStud
06-19-2008, 01:53 AM
Albert is pro-bowl guard. He's a very good right tackle and an average to below average left tackle.

Clearly this is all opinion. He did well in college at G and at LT the 2 games he played there. He hasn't even played a down in the NFL.
I'm sure Albert will have his struggles. Even Joe Thomas had his struggles, like last season in his first preseason game where Jared Allen beat him multiple times.
Every rookie will struggle some.

I don't the whole "Jake Long can't play LT" saying that a lot of people are throwing out there. He dominated at LT against good competetion and was an excellent prospect.

I'm surprised nobody is talking about Chris Williams either. He is the smartest of the bunch and did a great job at Vandy. He was an exceptional pass blocker.

kamakazi_kal
06-19-2008, 01:57 AM
http://www.notarobot.com/cobrakai.jpg

Sweep the leg, Elvis

"Yeahhhhhh, get'em a body bag!!!!!"

Florida_Bronco
06-19-2008, 02:46 AM
Well I see Bobo has yet again created a thread to make a fool out of himself.

maher_tyler
06-19-2008, 07:29 AM
Exactly. Albert is doing nothing. Clady is blocking the snot out of his man. Winner: Clady. And please keep this thread. The last one Bob started (Cutler Vs. Croyle) turned into a total delight. It will be funny when Albert isn't even playing LT at the opener and still struggles more than Clady.ROFL!

Agreed...could we get a stick for this that way we don't have to sift through all the pages??

crazyhorse
06-19-2008, 08:40 AM
The Chiefs drafted a franchise left tackle this year. So did the Broncos.

By the end of the year one of them will clearly be the better player. Albert has the challenge of keeping Breaky Frayle's limbs unmangled, while Clady will attempt to keep defenders away from Jay "diabeetus" Cutler.

I'm certain Albert will be the next Marcus McNeill, while Clady will be reduced to protecting Cutler's insulin pump on the sideline, because as you're all well aware, I'm never wrong.

Albert will also allow fewer sacks. We'll use this website to track that stat throughout the season:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8792&team=12

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8789&team=7

Let the games begin.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0421/nfl_i_albert_300.jpghttp://intheblackhole.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/clady.jpg

Offseason: Albert looks more menacing and much deadlier in his football uniform. The visor is a plus.

Winner: Branden Albert

The thread will get a lot of play, for sure. But you don't have to be devoid of any moral compass to do so.

The premise was good. But then you used Cutlers diabetis as a dig. To me, that totally crashed what had potential to be a decent smack thread.

That seems to be your deal. Nobody discredits you more than you.

I mean...I get your whole schtick. But you don't have to seel your integrity to achieve the same effect.

Step it up, or just step down.

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 09:14 AM
Sounds like Bob needs to up his game.

kamakazi_kal
06-19-2008, 10:05 AM
Sounds like Bob needs to up his game.

bob has no game.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 10:29 AM
Albert is pro-bowl guard. He's a very good right tackle and an average to below average left tackle.

Why all the flip-flopping?

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 10:57 AM
Why all the flip-flopping?

Huh? I've never advocated him playing left tackle. I wanted him for us at guard and/or RT.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 11:09 AM
Huh? I've never advocated him playing left tackle. I wanted him for us at guard and/or RT.

That's a curious statement...

Right before the draft:

Mel Kiper and his plastic hair.

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/rotten-robbie-120.jpg


Man, I want Albert to be a Bronco. I hope he's wrong. Albert will pwn us as a Chief. Keith Rivers sucks.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1934869&postcount=14

Albert is my favorite of the group. Clady or Williams I'd be ok with. I wouldn't be thrilled with renting a running back for four years, but maybe we could make him look awesome enough that we trade him for a good player after two years.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1952801&postcount=9

Brandon Albert, Brandon Albert, Brandon Albert!:pray:

Aren't you being a little over dramatic about this? Let's wait and see who we draft and and how the young guys develop. Kuper finished very strong especially with Myers at guard and he has experience playing left tackle. They seem really keen on using Kupe on the line and want to get his talents on the field. Contrary to what you and others think, RT is out of position for Kuper. He's never really played the position and most of his work as a pro was on the left side of the line.

There is also a draft coming up. If we have a guy like Brandon Albert on the team playing either tackle position, I'm almost positive our line will do really well next year. This could also be a smoke screen and we could still draft a left tackle. Be grateful Shanahan has finally decided to start using true 300 lb guys in the trenches. Wait and see who we get. I promise you even if we draft someone at number one they won't play on the line. Broncos never draft linemen in the first round and they never play their rookies. There is a good chance this will be the line for next season regardless of what happens. There is a good chance it will be better than last years' line too.

BroncoBuff
06-19-2008, 11:20 AM
Albert is gonna blast alotta bulldozer sized holes before he's done, no doubt. But he's simply not a prototype LT.

In fact, among the top OTs, only Clady, Chris Williams and Sam Baker are true prototype LTs. The word outta Dolphins mini-camps last week is they're thinking even Jake "#1" Long is not a prototype LT. He's a strapping beast, no doubt about it, but probably not a LT. In fact, there were a lotta RTs this draft, many of whom will be pounded like square pegs into the LT spot until such time as their teams realize it's not gonna work.

Jake Long
Jeff Otah (closer)
Gosder Cherilus
Branden Albert
Carl Nicks

These guys might PLAY left tackle, but they're not Joe Thomas/Ryan Clady prototype LTs

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 11:30 AM
That's a curious statement...

Right before the draft:



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1934869&postcount=14



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1952801&postcount=9

Yup. I do think that he's going to be an awesome guard and could potentially be a good right tackle.

Really though, Rev you need to grow up. I know what this is really about. You're only coming after me now because I neg reped you for calling Doctor Broncostein a murderer.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 11:35 AM
Yup. I do think that he's going to be an awesome guard and could potentially be a good right tackle.

Really though, Rev you need to grow up. I know what this is really about. You're only coming after me now because I neg reped you for calling Doctor Broncostein a murderer.

First, I didn't call him a murderer, I called him a hypocrit.

Secondly, no, I just realized why I'd initially lost all respect for you. You have no thoughts of your own. This is another example. Plenty of people were all for Albert before the draft, none more-so than you, and those guys have been the ones arguing with you post draft about his effectiveness.

And believe me, if internet rep meant anything to me, I'd act just like you.

PS. Please stay on topic... I'd love the explanation of how your thought process goes from:


I want it to be Brandon Albert but we'll probably reach for someone lame like DeSean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

I'd really like that. Albert would make anything look good to me.

Kevin Robinson is a great value selection. Goff is a good choice too. Powell is probably gone by the end of the fourth. Zenon will develop into a more physical but slower Foxworth.

Not too shabby!

This one is good. It's like what my mock draft might look like

four rounds:

http://www.draftseason.com/Lupagus

12. Branden "Fat" Albert OG/OT, Virginia
43. Broncos - Pat Sims DT, Auburn : Broncos are looking for a penetrating DT. (not a big fan of Sims)
109. Broncos - Harry Douglas WR, Louisville : Broncos want a new no. 2 wideout.
120. Broncos (From Skins) - Steve Justice C, Wake Forest : Broncos know a good value when they see it.

Mel Kiper and his plastic hair.

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/rotten-robbie-120.jpg


Man, I want Albert to be a Bronco. I hope he's wrong. Albert will pwn us as a Chief. Keith Rivers sucks.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1934869&postcount=14

Albert is my favorite of the group. Clady or Williams I'd be ok with. I wouldn't be thrilled with renting a running back for four years, but maybe we could make him look awesome enough that we trade him for a good player after two years.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1952801&postcount=9

Brandon Albert, Brandon Albert, Brandon Albert!:pray:

Aren't you being a little over dramatic about this? Let's wait and see who we draft and and how the young guys develop. Kuper finished very strong especially with Myers at guard and he has experience playing left tackle. They seem really keen on using Kupe on the line and want to get his talents on the field. Contrary to what you and others think, RT is out of position for Kuper. He's never really played the position and most of his work as a pro was on the left side of the line.

There is also a draft coming up. If we have a guy like Brandon Albert on the team playing either tackle position, I'm almost positive our line will do really well next year. This could also be a smoke screen and we could still draft a left tackle. Be grateful Shanahan has finally decided to start using true 300 lb guys in the trenches. Wait and see who we get. I promise you even if we draft someone at number one they won't play on the line. Broncos never draft linemen in the first round and they never play their rookies. There is a good chance this will be the line for next season regardless of what happens. There is a good chance it will be better than last years' line too.


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To after KC drafts him:


This is true. Jarvis Moss is expected to play defensive end, you know the position he played all through college. Brandon Albert is expected to play guard - the position he played all through college...unless your coaching staff is stupid, and then they will watch him fail at left tackle.:welcome:

Yeah it worked great but did they start him at Left Tackle right out of the package? No. He played right guard, then right tackle, then left guard then left tackle. This took years of learning.

They aren't comparable as players. Diehl has better feet than Albert who is more of a grinder, so you're talking about two different body types. Albert was largely considered an incredible prospect at guard who could play some right tackle. I haven't heard anyone except Albert's agent say he was a good left tackle prospect. Even if he is, it will take years of playing on the line and learning to be able to make a move over there. Your own example proves this.

The possibility exists, but it's hard enough to play the position you played in college at the pro level. Starting someone at the most critical point on the line when you have no substantive experience playing it is beyond stupid. We've converted guys to tackle all the time but when you look at how long it took to get them over there, you understand how difficult it is. Albert will probably be a great player at guard and even right tackle, but it will take years for him to adjust to playing the blind side and he may never really excel there.

Cavs fans will tell you the same thing, but Chief fans like Sheepstud won't hear it. He's all-world already as far as they're concerned.

::) Can you read? No one is saying he is a bad player, we're saying he is going to struggle at left tackle. Do you honestly believe that there won't be struggles for him if he is starting at LT this year? Honestly do you really believe that? and if you think it's not more than the other guys who played LT all through college, you're totally wrong. That doesn't mean he's going to suck at other positions, nor does it mean he won't have a successful career. He is without question a project at tackle and should be playing guard.

Genius, why don't you look at the tape of him playing off the line? Don't you think it's strange there are no highlight reels of him playing in line? I'll give you a hint: his feet aren't great - especially when it comes to sticking his block and then shuffling to keep it. He also leans too much. Yeah, he's incredible running down field and punching once he makes contact, but kicking outside against a speed rusher? Prepare to watch Croyle on his back. Of course you'll probably just blame your guard or stop posting when that happens like you guys did last year until your draft gave you some insta-courage. Chief fans. :oyvey:

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 11:49 AM
There is no difference is those posts outside of my enthusiasm for Albert as a player which I totally admit went into the tank when he became a Chief.

Well that and there was a thread where some Cavalier fans explained why they didn't think he would play LT, and that was in May.

And you did call him a murderer. Do you want me to quote you on that?

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 11:49 AM
Getting heated in here. Take it outside, boys.

SureShot
06-19-2008, 11:51 AM
You can tell it is the off season when we start eating our own.

I never liked Albert at LT, but loved him as a RT.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 11:55 AM
There is no difference is those posts outside of my enthusiasm for Albert as a player which I totally admit went into the tank when he became a Chief.

Well that and there was a thread where some Cavalier fans explained why they didn't think he would play LT, and that was in May.

And you did call him a murderer. Do you want me to quote you on that?

From:

"If we have a guy like Brandon Albert on the team playing either tackle position, I'm almost positive our line will do really well next year."

to:

"...they will watch him fail at left tackle."

Very consistent, great explanation. You're right! Sorry I missed it!

...and if you want to stay off topic because you can't explain your inability to be your own man, fine. I do think he's a murderer or a liar.

A. Murderer: Where was he driving that would have an unsupervised 3 year old running around where he couldn't stop in time? Residential areas and school zones are all 15 and below.

B. Liar: He claimed that was his PTSD stressor. If you have PTSD you go to nearly any lengths to avoid thinking of your stressor, and commonly partake in therapy and medication. He casually relived the stressor to verify his Javon Walker opinion... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

2KBack
06-19-2008, 12:06 PM
Geez, the Rev's been on the warpath recently

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 12:07 PM
From:

"If we have a guy like Brandon Albert on the team playing either tackle position, I'm almost positive our line will do really well next year."

to:

"...they will watch him fail at left tackle."

Very consistent, great explanation. You're right! Sorry I missed it!
At the time I wrote this I really believed it. I don't now. Especially after talking to Cav fans and getting more information about him. And my enthusiasm for him to succeed is a total 180 since he's a chief. This I will always be guilty of.

...and if you want to stay off topic because you can't explain your inability to be your own man, fine. I do think he's a murderer or a liar.

A. Murderer: Where was he driving that would have an unsupervised 3 year old running around where he couldn't stop in time? Residential areas and school zones are all 15 and below.

B. Liar: He claimed that was his PTSD stressor. If you have PTSD you go to nearly any lengths to avoid thinking of your stressor, and commonly partake in therapy and medication. He casually relived the stressor to verify his Javon Walker opinion... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I'm not going to has this out in this thread anymore. I'm just glad you came out with so everyone can see what an angry douche you are.

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 12:08 PM
Geez, the Rev's been on the warpath recently

He's an angry person.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 12:14 PM
At the time I wrote this I really believed it. I don't now. Especially after talking to Cav fans and getting more information about him. And my enthusiasm for him to succeed is a total 180 since he's a chief. This I will always be guilty of.

You must've gotten a TON of information from Cavs fans right after the draft then, huh? You didn't speak to any of them before hand when you formulated your huge crush on Branden Albert pre-draft day? Because those "I <3 Albert" posts are right up to draft day.


I'm not going to has this out in this thread anymore. I'm just glad you came out with so everyone can see what an angry douche you are.

Resort to name-calling all day because you don't have an intelligent reply. If Marshall ran over a little girl, I highly doubt you'd be up in arms to defend someone who ended an innocent toddler life.

Once again reflecting your flip-flop, no consistency, and completely devoid of any actual thought, self.

You love Albert.
Albert becomes a Chief.
Albert sucks.

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 12:29 PM
http://www.diamondtraining.org.uk/images/angryman.gif

"RARRRRRR! Im The Reverend and you aren't in love Brandon Marshall!!! You're a liar! RAWRRRRRR!"

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 12:33 PM
http://www.diamondtraining.org.uk/images/angryman.gif

"RARRRRRR! Im The Reverend and you aren't in love Brandon Marshall!!! You're a liar! RAWRRRRRR!"

That makes sense... so are you going to make a coherent attempt at explaining your Branden Albert flop, or are you going to keep attempting to deflect to try and draw attention away from another one of your many incompetencies.

vancejohnson82
06-19-2008, 12:33 PM
ummm...this isn't where i parked my car

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 12:35 PM
That makes sense... so are you going to make a coherent attempt at explaining your Branden Albert flop, or are you going to keep attempting to deflect to try and draw attention away from another one of your many incompetencies.

Actually I think I'll put you on ignore. You're just a sanctimonious jerk that talks down to everyone around here anyway. Have a great life, man. I hope you get over whatever it is that makes you attack everyone that disagrees with you.:welcome:

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 12:36 PM
Actually I think I'll put you on ignore. You're just a sanctimonious jerk that talks down to everyone around here anyway. Have a great life, man. I hope you get over whatever it is that makes you attack everyone that disagrees with you.:welcome:

Take care.

Hope one day you decide to confront and admit your own shortcomings. It will go a long ways towards some people gaining a shred of respect for you.

no-pseudo-fan
06-19-2008, 12:40 PM
Wow this seems like a fun thread!!!!

The Broncos staff believes that Clady was the best OT on the board, so I roll with their choice.

I Believe that Clady has the most upside, and that Albert is going to have to adjust more than Clady will if he is thrown into the LT spot. Is Albert going to suck? I don't know. Will Clady reach his potential? I don't know.

Greybeard
06-19-2008, 01:00 PM
Wow. And here I thought Rev's problem was me. zowie!

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kmonty
06-19-2008, 01:13 PM
ummm...this isn't where i parked my car

LOL

BroncoBuff
06-19-2008, 01:27 PM
I dunno, Rev ... it's cool with me that somebody loves a player before the draft, but then hates him when he becomes a chef.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 01:27 PM
Wow. And here I thought Rev's problem was me. zowie!

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No, just a combination of hypocrisy and keeping myself entertained. I've got nothing against you.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 01:28 PM
I dunno, Rev ... it's cool with me that somebody loves a player before the draft, but then hates him when he becomes a chef.

If that were the case, that's fine... but completely backtracking and reversing your stance... and then when confronted by it, saying that was your stance all along when your own words say otherwise is... well, idiotic.

Greybeard
06-19-2008, 01:31 PM
If that were the case, that's fine... but completely backtracking and reversing your stance... and then when confronted by it, saying that was your stance all along when your own words say otherwise is... well, idiotic.

Have patience, Rev. We minions may not ever live up to your standards, but
we're trying. I promise you, we are really trying. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thnervous.gif

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TheReverend
06-19-2008, 01:35 PM
Have patience, Rev. We minions may not ever live up to your standards, but
we're trying. I promise you, we are really trying. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thnervous.gif

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Then quit posting and get back to work! :sunshine:

socalorado
06-19-2008, 01:44 PM
Have patience, Rev. We minions may not ever live up to your standards, but
we're trying. I promise you, we are really trying. http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/thnervous.gif

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I'm not trying.
I dont even spell right either, but i know the REV really doesnt care about my spelling.
Oh, and Abdullah sucks and Foxy isnt good at safety and, Torain's gonna light you up sucka, and evolutionists are dumb, and, and, and, .............i love the Rev!


(sarcasm on!)

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 01:46 PM
I'm not trying.
I dont even spell right either, but i know the REV really doesnt care about my spelling.
Oh, and Abdullah sucks and Foxy isnt good at safety and, Torain's gonna light you up sucka, and evolutionists are dumb, and, and, and, .............i love the Rev!

I like Torain...

socalorado
06-19-2008, 01:47 PM
I like Torain...

SEE! Its All good people! Now, back to work.

24champ
06-19-2008, 03:17 PM
First, I didn't call him a murderer, I called him a hypocrit.

Secondly, no, I just realized why I'd initially lost all respect for you. You have no thoughts of your own. This is another example. Plenty of people were all for Albert before the draft, none more-so than you, and those guys have been the ones arguing with you post draft about his effectiveness.

And believe me, if internet rep meant anything to me, I'd act just like you.

PS. Please stay on topic... I'd love the explanation of how your thought process goes from:










http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1934869&postcount=14



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1952801&postcount=9






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To after KC drafts him:

Well I'm not surprised, the only real person that was pro-clady before the draft was Requiem, I believe.

Kaylore
06-19-2008, 03:21 PM
Well I'm not surprised, the only real person that was pro-clady before the draft was Requiem, I believe.

I think you might be right. In fact there was a large group that was decidedly anti-Clady.

kmonty
06-19-2008, 03:26 PM
Well I'm not surprised, the only real person that was pro-clady before the draft was Requiem, I believe.

Dude.

I think you might be right. In fact there was a large group that was decidedly anti-Clady.

Seriously. Dude.

I know I'm new, but dude.

KCStud
06-19-2008, 04:48 PM
Wow Kaylore gets PWN3D!

It's very clear what Kaylore's thought process is. He thought Albert could play LT before the draft, but after KC gets him, his thoughts change and Albert can't play LT.

Kaylore thinks every Chief player sucks. He also thinks the Broncos will go 11-5 this year. You might wanna take off the Orange and Blue glasses Kaylore..

DenverBrit
06-19-2008, 05:04 PM
Dude.



Seriously. Dude.

I know I'm new, but dude.


You've broken the 'no 3 Dude' rule.
Try using WTF or OMG as an alternative. :~ohyah!:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 05:06 PM
High five, Rev!

Kaylore got OWNED!

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 05:06 PM
Wow Kaylore gets PWN3D!

It's very clear what Kaylore's thought process is. He thought Albert could play LT before the draft, but after KC gets him, his thoughts change and Albert can't play LT.

Kaylore thinks every Chief player sucks. He also thinks the Broncos will go 11-5 this year. You might wanna take off the Orange and Blue glasses Kaylore..

Personally, I was a Williams/Clady guy before the draft. I thought moving Albert to LT probably wasn't the best idea. So I guess that means my opinion counts?

Albert Can't play LT, every chief player sucks(especially Tamba Hali) and the Broncos will go 10-6 this year.

Greybeard
06-19-2008, 05:08 PM
Wow Kaylore gets PWN3D!

It's very clear what Kaylore's thought process is. He thought Albert could play LT before the draft, but after KC gets him, his thoughts change and Albert can't play LT.

Kaylore thinks every Chief player sucks. He also thinks the Broncos will go 11-5 this year. You might wanna take off the Orange and Blue glasses Kaylore..

It's fitting you would spell "owned" like a 12-year-old AOLer. Nonetheless, you
sound kind of bitter toward Kaylore. Could that be because of how often he
has owned (see how easy it is?) you?

Anyway, it's curious as to why you would be on the board of a team superior
to your squaws, talking about our projected W-L record, when the question
regarding the squaws is whether you will win a game . . .

And I don't think 11-5 for the Broncos is out of the realm of possibility.

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Inkana7
06-19-2008, 05:09 PM
High five, Rev!

Kaylore got OWNED!

Something you have never been able to do to Khan.

DenverBrit
06-19-2008, 05:09 PM
Wow Kaylore gets PWN3D!

It's very clear what Kaylore's thought process is. He thought Albert could play LT before the draft, but after KC gets him, his thoughts change and Albert can't play LT.

Kaylore thinks every Chief player sucks. He also thinks the Broncos will go 11-5 this year. You might wanna take off the Orange and Blue glasses Kaylore..

This is a stupid thread started by an obese KC Troll on a Broncos board.
Take off the Orange and Blue glasses?? Are you nuts?
Until they play and prove otherwise, all KC draft choices are busts!!
We don't make the rules, we just play by them.
Now take off your Ketchup and Mustard glasses and get with the program.

Greybeard
06-19-2008, 05:10 PM
High five, Rev!

Kaylore got OWNED!

Is that something special to you?

You seem to be everybody's lady around here . . . http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

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Inkana7
06-19-2008, 05:11 PM
It's fitting you would spell "owned" like a 12-year-old AOLer. Nonetheless, you
sound kind of bitter toward Kaylore. Could that be because of how often he
has owned (see how easy it is?) you?

Anyway, it's curious as to why you would be on the board of a team superior
to your squaws, talking about our projected W-L record, when the question
regarding the squaws is whether you will win a game . . .

And I don't think 11-5 for the Broncos is out of the realm of possibility.

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KCSheepStud is pretty obviously under the age of 16. His posts are pretty predictable. They follow the same formula every time:

Step 1) Weak smack against broncos
Step 2) Call someone a homer, instruct to take off Orange colored glasses
Step 3) Compliment the Broncos in some way and/or agree with everyone else in a feeble attempt to disguise the above smack.

Go back and look, you'll see it's scary accurate.

DenverBrit
06-19-2008, 05:11 PM
Something you have never been able to do to Khan.

And no one would want to 'own' Boob, they'd have to feed him. Hilarious!

That One Guy
06-19-2008, 05:45 PM
Ha... a Kaylore doesn't know what he thinks thread... been there, done that...

A couple extra gems here because in looking over posts for my earlier posts on this, I found it's hillarious and fun to drive trucks through the Kaylore logic. Ironically, these are actually from the other thread on this tool.

"I am glad they took an LT, though. I wanted Albert, but Clady fell and the bottom line is the team is better."

"You also conveniently left out I was in favor of drafting Branden Albert. I never believed that the Broncos would, but I thought it was the move we needed to make."

24champ
06-19-2008, 05:47 PM
It's very clear what Kaylore's thought process is.

Well at least he has a thought process...something you don't have KCDud.

kmonty
06-19-2008, 06:39 PM
You've broken the 'no 3 Dude' rule.
Try using WTF or OMG as an alternative. :~ohyah!:

lol thanks, I'll keep that in mind!

I was always pro-Clady and anti-Albert, from the start, so this thread kinda feels like home to me. :sunshine:

KCStud
06-19-2008, 06:46 PM
KCSheepStud is pretty obviously under the age of 16. His posts are pretty predictable. They follow the same formula every time:

Step 1) Weak smack against broncos
Step 2) Call someone a homer, instruct to take off Orange colored glasses
Step 3) Compliment the Broncos in some way and/or agree with everyone else in a feeble attempt to disguise the above smack.

Go back and look, you'll see it's scary accurate.
It's very clear that most of the people on this board are teenage Bronco homers who wear Orange and Blue colored glasses every year. At least I'm objective and look at my team with realistic expectations.
Go back and look because all this talk is accurate. A lot of people here are homers. They thought that last year Scheffler, Tony freaking Scheffler, was going to be better than Gonzo.

It's pretty obvious if you look Inkana. Kaylore says the same thing.

Albert is a below average LT
Dorsey has injury problems
Charles and all of KC's RB's aren't very good.

I personally think it's funny. Yes the Broncos can go 11-5. So can a lot of AFC teams. I don't think they will. Too many questions for a playoff team.

KCStud
06-19-2008, 06:53 PM
Personally, I was a Williams/Clady guy before the draft. I thought moving Albert to LT probably wasn't the best idea. So I guess that means my opinion counts?

Albert Can't play LT, every chief player sucks(especially Tamba Hali) and the Broncos will go 10-6 this year.

Last time I checked Hali was a solid player who is getting better. Do tell why you hate him?

Greybeard
06-19-2008, 07:01 PM
It's very clear that most of the people on this board are teenage Bronco homers who wear Orange and Blue colored glasses every year. At least I'm objective and look at my team with realistic expectations.
Go back and look because all this talk is accurate. A lot of people here are homers. They thought that last year Scheffler, Tony freaking Scheffler, was going to be better than Gonzo.

It's pretty obvious if you look Inkana. Kaylore says the same thing.

Albert is a below average LT
Dorsey has injury problems
Charles and all of KC's RB's aren't very good.

I personally think it's funny. Yes the Broncos can go 11-5. So can a lot of AFC teams. I don't think they will. Too many questions for a playoff team.

Scheffler has the tools to be in Gonzales' and Gates' class. That does not
come out of the keyboards of any teenage homers. That has been established
by several authorities outside Broncos territory.

And, at this point, I don't know how anybody can say Albert will be any good
at LT. He has only two games there, and that is at the college level. Right
now, all the squaws can do is cross their fingers and hope. Just like they're
having to do at most positions.

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Inkana7
06-19-2008, 07:13 PM
Last time I checked Hali was a solid player who is getting better. Do tell why you hate him?

He misses more tackles than Ian Gold and is hilariously inept in the run game.

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 07:16 PM
It's very clear that most of the people on this board are teenage Bronco homers who wear Orange and Blue colored glasses every year. At least I'm objective and look at my team with realistic expectations.
Go back and look because all this talk is accurate. A lot of people here are homers. They thought that last year Scheffler, Tony freaking Scheffler, was going to be better than Gonzo.

It's pretty obvious if you look Inkana. Kaylore says the same thing.

Albert is a below average LT
Dorsey has injury problems
Charles and all of KC's RB's aren't very good.

I personally think it's funny. Yes the Broncos can go 11-5. So can a lot of AFC teams. I don't think they will. Too many questions for a playoff team.
Tony "freaking" Scheffler had just as many TDs as Gonzo last year...in 4 less games. :thumbs:

Calling yourself objective is about as accurate as calling Bobo intelligent.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 07:50 PM
Tony "freaking" Scheffler had just as many TDs as Gonzo last year...in 4 less games. :thumbs:

Calling yourself objective is about as accurate as calling Bobo intelligent.

Yeah, that's because he played on a good offense.

Stick Gonzalez in a Mike Shanahan offense and...wow.

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 07:53 PM
Yeah, that's because he played on a good offense.

Stick Gonzalez in a Mike Shanahan offense and...wow.

One of these days, I'm going to make a list of all the Gonzalez excuses. Then I will publish that epic novel.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 07:54 PM
One of these days, I'm going to make a list of all the Gonzalez excuses. Then I will publish that epic novel.

No one is making excuses for Tony Gonzalez. He's the best tight end ever and is still kicking ass.

BroncoBuff
06-19-2008, 08:00 PM
Stick Gonzalez in a Mike Shanahan offense and...wow.
I figure you're about half-way out now ...
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/sorsillo/sorsillo0702/sorsillo070200233/778915.jpg

Courage, Bobo. Courage.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 08:04 PM
I figure you're about half-way out now ...
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/sorsillo/sorsillo0702/sorsillo070200233/778915.jpg

Courage, Bobo. Courage.

I've always had respect for Shanahan's offensive genius. I can't help but wonder what he'd get out of guys like Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez after seeing what he did with Portis.

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 08:05 PM
No one is making excuses for Tony Gonzalez. He's the best tight end ever and is still kicking ass.

Let me direct you to the official "Chiefs Fans' Excuses As to Why Tony Gonzalez Is Not Considered Better than Shannon Sharpe Thread."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=68716

Greybeard
06-19-2008, 08:08 PM
I've always had respect for Shanahan's offensive genius. I can't help but wonder what he'd get out of guys like Larry Johnson and Tony Gonzalez after seeing what he did with Portis.

Gonzo will definitely go down as one of the greats, and I believe LJ suffers from
a lack of blocking, since Roaf's and Shield's retirements, and the lack of a
decent QB since Green's departure. So you're right there. I wouldn't mind seeing
both of them in orange & blue.

But don't try to tell me Gonzo is better than Sharpe.

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Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 08:08 PM
Let me direct you to the official "Chiefs Fans' Excuses As to Why Tony Gonzalez Is Not Considered Better than Shannon Sharpe Thread."

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=68716

No, I believe that's the "Let's Convince Ourselves That Shannon Sharpe Even Belongs In The Same Galaxy With Tony Gonzalez" thread.

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 08:10 PM
No, I believe that's the "Let's Convince Ourselves That Shannon Sharpe Even Belongs In The Same Galaxy With Tony Gonzalez" thread.

Hilarious!

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 08:38 PM
No, I believe that's the "Let's Convince Ourselves That Shannon Sharpe Even Belongs In The Same Galaxy With Tony Gonzalez" thread.

I'll never understand why when you're actually in the realm of building a decent argument, and you've laid your foundation, you ignore the first and second floors and shoot for the moon with something absurd like that...

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 08:51 PM
I'll never understand why when you're actually in the realm of building a decent argument, and you've laid your foundation, you ignore the first and second floors and shoot for the moon with something absurd like that...

I'm still working on my PhD in message board bull****.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm still working on my PhD in message board bull****.

Your thesis is going to be the size of 5 copies of War and Peace glued together...

Bob's your Information Minister
06-19-2008, 09:07 PM
Your thesis is going to be the size of 5 copies of War and Peace glued together...

All plagiarized.

KCStud
06-19-2008, 09:18 PM
He misses more tackles than Ian Gold and is hilariously inept in the run game.

Yes I agree those are his weakpoints. He missed 5 sacks last season.
Dumberville is also inept in the run game. Does that make him a bad player?

It will be much easier this year for Hali. Lining up next to Dorsey alone should help him due to the attention Dorsey will draw. He also won't have to deal with blocking TE's anymore either.

He has been a good player for KC. He averages 8 sacks and 4 forced fumbles a year. It's not like he's an Erasmus James for crying out loud.

You can save this, whatever you want. I think Tamba Hali will get 10 sacks this season.

TheReverend
06-19-2008, 09:43 PM
Yes I agree those are his weakpoints. He missed 5 sacks last season.
Dumberville is also inept in the run game. Does that make him a bad player?

It will be much easier this year for Hali. Lining up next to Dorsey alone should help him due to the attention Dorsey will draw. He also won't have to deal with blocking TE's anymore either.

He has been a good player for KC. He averages 8 sacks and 4 forced fumbles a year. It's not like he's an Erasmus James for crying out loud.

You can save this, whatever you want. I think Tamba Hali will get 10 sacks this season.

They're putting Dorsey on the nose?

Inkana7
06-19-2008, 10:32 PM
Dorsey playing 1 tech...I can see Gooonther doing it.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2008, 10:44 PM
Yes I agree those are his weakpoints. He missed 5 sacks last season.
Dumberville is also inept in the run game. Does that make him a bad player?

It will be much easier this year for Hali. Lining up next to Dorsey alone should help him due to the attention Dorsey will draw. He also won't have to deal with blocking TE's anymore either.

He has been a good player for KC. He averages 8 sacks and 4 forced fumbles a year. It's not like he's an Erasmus James for crying out loud.

You can save this, whatever you want. I think Tamba Hali will get 10 sacks this season.

Yeah, cause you know, an actual proven player like Jared Allen didn't command any extra attention like this new rookie who's never played an nfl down will. Hilarious!

Greybeard
06-20-2008, 12:03 AM
Yes I agree those are his weakpoints. He missed 5 sacks last season.
Dumberville is also inept in the run game. Does that make him a bad player?

It will be much easier this year for Hali. Lining up next to Dorsey alone should help him due to the attention Dorsey will draw. He also won't have to deal with blocking TE's anymore either.

He has been a good player for KC. He averages 8 sacks and 4 forced fumbles a year. It's not like he's an Erasmus James for crying out loud.

You can save this, whatever you want. I think Tamba Hali will get 10 sacks this season.

Dumervil is "inept" in the run game? Who told you that?

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KCStud
06-20-2008, 02:15 AM
Yeah, cause you know, an actual proven player like Jared Allen didn't command any extra attention like this new rookie who's never played an nfl down will. Hilarious!

This is a completely different story and if you watched any KC game you would know this. KC was horrid last season at DT. Boone did ok at the beginning, but other than the first 2 or 3 games and the GB game he was very average. KC's DT's were marked man to man because they couldn't generate pressure. Both Tamba and Jared were double teamed. the RG or even blocking TE and RT would be blocking him. KC did a great job at getting pressure on the QB last season even from Tamba. He generated 7 and a half sacks and a few FF's while playing hurt a lot of the season. Now Tamba will have a force playing right next to him and defenses will have to double team one of them leaving the other player one-on-one.

The reason it's different is because offense's can double team players if they are on the opposite sides, but when they are teamed up next to each other, offense's get confused on blocking assignments, especially on last minute shifts by the defense.

The perfect example was Strahan and Osi constantly lining up next to each other. One always got double teamed and the other ran free.

KCStud
06-20-2008, 02:15 AM
Dumervil is "inept" in the run game? Who told you that?

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My TV every time I see a Bronco game

TheReverend
06-20-2008, 07:28 AM
This is a completely different story and if you watched any KC game you would know this. KC was horrid last season at DT. Boone did ok at the beginning, but other than the first 2 or 3 games and the GB game he was very average. KC's DT's were marked man to man because they couldn't generate pressure. Both Tamba and Jared were double teamed. the RG or even blocking TE and RT would be blocking him. KC did a great job at getting pressure on the QB last season even from Tamba. He generated 7 and a half sacks and a few FF's while playing hurt a lot of the season. Now Tamba will have a force playing right next to him and defenses will have to double team one of them leaving the other player one-on-one.

The reason it's different is because offense's can double team players if they are on the opposite sides, but when they are teamed up next to each other, offense's get confused on blocking assignments, especially on last minute shifts by the defense.

The perfect example was Strahan and Osi constantly lining up next to each other. One always got double teamed and the other ran free.

That a horrid example.

You meant to relate it to how the Titans used Haynesworth and Vandenbosch in tandem, right?

Kaylore
06-20-2008, 09:34 AM
It's very clear that most of the people on this board are teenage Bronco homers who wear Orange and Blue colored glasses every year. At least I'm objective and look at my team with realistic expectations.
Go back and look because all this talk is accurate. A lot of people here are homers. They thought that last year Scheffler, Tony freaking Scheffler, was going to be better than Gonzo.

It's pretty obvious if you look Inkana. Kaylore says the same thing.

Albert is a below average LT
This is true.
Dorsey has injury problems
This is also true.
Charles and all of KC's RB's aren't very good.
I called this one in February of last year. I said LJ would get hurt and have a poor season. Both happened.

I personally think it's funny. Yes the Broncos can go 11-5. So can a lot of AFC teams. I don't think they will. Too many questions for a playoff team.

So what is your problem with my prediction if you admit yourself that it could happen.

And you have had some pretty unrealistic predictions yourself. You scoffed at us putting up more than 20 points on your team and said there was no way we'd beat you guys in Arrowhead last year. :flower:

Inkana7
06-20-2008, 10:03 AM
My TV every time I see a Bronco game

Really? Every time I've seen Dumervil versus the Chiefs, all I see are sacks and forced fumbles. Dumervil had as many Forced Fumbles against the Chiefs as Hali had all year.

Kaylore
06-20-2008, 11:41 AM
Really? Every time I've seen Dumervil versus the Chiefs, all I see are sacks and forced fumbles. Dumervil had as many Forced Fumbles against the Chiefs as Hali had all year.

In the first game they had 67 yards rushing.

In the second game they 16 yards rushing.

no-pseudo-fan
06-20-2008, 12:29 PM
I question Elvis Vs the run, I wouldn't go so far as to say inept. I think he is ok vs. the run.

Now Khan, proving KC sucks doesn't prove Elvis is good against the run. I think we are going to be vastly improved on the D-line, Moss looks the part as does Thomas. Where is Crowder? I haven't heard much about him this off-season.

BroncoBuff
06-20-2008, 12:32 PM
Dumervil >>> Hali

Marcus Thomas > Dorsey, for now at least

KCStud
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
This is true.

And you know this how? Albert has not played a snap in the NFL yet. wow Kaylore

This is also true.

That doesn't mean he's going off the field. Dorsey played with the injury and was STILL the best DT in college footbal

I called this one in February of last year. I said LJ would get hurt and have a poor season. Both happened.

We'll see what happens this year. LJ is fine and the addition of Charles has made us deep at RB



So what is your problem with my prediction if you admit yourself that it could happen.

And you have had some pretty unrealistic predictions yourself. You scoffed at us putting up more than 20 points on your team and said there was no way we'd beat you guys in Arrowhead last year. :flower:

And you said Tony Scheffler would be better than Gonzo last year.

I have no problem with your prediction. I just don't think it will happen.

Inkana7
06-20-2008, 04:39 PM
And you said Tony Scheffler would be better than Gonzo last year.


Tony Scheffler had 5 TDs in 12 games last season.

Tony Gonzalez had 5 TDs in 16 games last season.

KCStud
06-20-2008, 04:47 PM
Tony Scheffler had 5 TDs in 12 games last season.

Tony Gonzalez had 5 TDs in 16 games last season.

Scheffler also had half the receiving yards Gonzo did as well and that's with Gonzo being triple teamed most of the time

Atwater His Ass
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
Triple teamed. lol.

Inkana7
06-20-2008, 04:50 PM
Scheffler also had half the receiving yards Gonzo did as well and that's with Gonzo being triple teamed most of the time

Haha, again with the "triple" team. Now, I didn't watch all of KC's games this season, but when Denver played them, I saw one guy, usually either Foxworth or Gold, covering him. Hardly a "triple team". :rofl:

KCStud
06-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Haha, again with the "triple" team. Now, I didn't watch all of KC's games this season, but when Denver played them, I saw one guy, usually either Foxworth or Gold, covering him. Hardly a "triple team". :rofl:

Watch Gonzo's TD in Denver. 2 players watching him and 1 coming in to help and he still scored. Not that it mattered.

Gonzo also scored a TD in SD by leaping in the endzone over 3 SD defenders. Those are a few examples.

SureShot
06-20-2008, 04:56 PM
It would be foolish to only triple team the great Gonzo! LOL

KCStud
06-20-2008, 04:57 PM
This is so laughable. Only people in Brokeback Mountain thinks Scheffler is better than Gonzo. Most people outside of the AFC West don't even know who Scheffler is Hilarious!

Inkana7
06-20-2008, 04:59 PM
Oh Noes! A Triple Team! How does he do it?!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Inkana/tripleteam.jpg

Atwater His Ass
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
He jumps really hi guyz!!!! srsly!!1!

Inkana7
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
This is so laughable. Only people in Brokeback Mountain thinks Scheffler is better than Gonzo. Most people outside of the AFC West don't even know who Scheffler is Hilarious!

It looks like someone's at least heard he could catch a pigskin or two..

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfl2k8dkteranks

SureShot
06-20-2008, 05:15 PM
I once saw Gonzo covered by 5 opponents, either that or it was zone coverage.

Inkana7
06-20-2008, 05:17 PM
I once saw an entire defense try to cover Gonzo. That's right he was Undecuple Covered. He still made the catch.

SureShot
06-20-2008, 05:22 PM
Amazing!


He is almost as good as Shannon.

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 06:16 PM
It looks like someone's at least heard he could catch a pigskin or two..

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfl2k8dkteranks

What's even funnier is Cutler vs Rivers. Ha!

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfl2k8dkqbranks

Greybeard
06-20-2008, 06:22 PM
What's even funnier is Cutler vs Rivers. Ha!

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfl2k8dkqbranks

He should be able to pass up Matt, Derek, Ben, and Drew this year.

McNabb is already on his way out. Damn fine QB, but over the hill.

Cutler will fill the void. :bronxrox:


BTW, who's Branden Albert? :wave:

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SoCalBronco
06-20-2008, 07:24 PM
Here's a picture of Albert playing left tackle:

http://www.propertyfinder.com/im/noimage400x300.gif

Here's a picture of Clady playing left tackle:

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/8758-1/Clady.jpg

Clady wins again!

Winner: :haw!:

Bob's your Information Minister
06-20-2008, 08:53 PM
He jumps really hi guyz!!!! srsly!!1!

It's funny because it's true.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2q1foxz.gif

kmonty
06-20-2008, 09:06 PM
It's funny because it's true.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2q1foxz.gif

OMG HOLY CRAP TRIPLE TEAMED!!1!1!!

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 09:27 PM
OMG HOLY CRAP TRIPLE TEAMED!!1!1!!

OMG, HOLY CRAP gap in the zone.
Just as well the ball was a wounded duck or it would have been a pick.

boltaneer
06-20-2008, 10:30 PM
OMG, HOLY CRAP gap in the zone.
Just as well the ball was a wounded duck or it would have been a pick.

Yeah, he found an open spot in the zone. Big deal.

In addition it's not too impressive since McCree and Florence were the ones getting beat. :flower:

Atwater His Ass
06-20-2008, 10:47 PM
I mean Super High Guyz, this is Serious busniess here, His Ups are out of this world Man!!!1!

Killericon
06-20-2008, 10:52 PM
BTW, who's Branden Albert? :wave:

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He's a Guard. :)

Bob's your Information Minister
06-20-2008, 11:05 PM
Here's another angle. Incredible catch. Sharpe couldn't do this. It also wasn't a zone defense. The corners were manned up. It also took an army of Chargers to bring Tony down. EPIC. Show some respect.

http://i31.tinypic.com/egoejc.gif

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 11:17 PM
I mean Super High Guyz, this is Serious busniess here, His Ups are out of this world Man!!!1!

Jumped so high there was ice on the ball when he came down. Incredible!!

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 11:21 PM
Here's another angle. Incredible catch. Sharpe couldn't do this.

http://i31.tinypic.com/egoejc.gif

Sharpe wouldn't have to.
He'd be so far behind the DBs that he'd be waltzing into the end zone.
Gonzo had to rescue the QB from a pick.
Wow, OMG, Dude can jump high, I swear there's daylight below his feet.

Florida_Bronco
06-20-2008, 11:27 PM
Bobo saying that Sharpe couldn't do that is yet further proof that he knows nothing about football, period.

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 11:29 PM
Bobo saying that Sharpe couldn't do that is yet further proof that he knows nothing about football, period.

Nothing says Pinata like the Boob.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-20-2008, 11:30 PM
Sharpe wouldn't have to.
He'd be so far behind the DBs that he'd be waltzing into the end zone.
.

At age 32?

Unlikely.

cutthemdown
06-20-2008, 11:31 PM
Albert will get injured and Clady will be all pro.

DBroncos4life
06-20-2008, 11:35 PM
Here's another angle. Incredible catch. Sharpe couldn't do this. It also wasn't a zone defense. The corners were manned up. It also took an army of Chargers to bring Tony down. EPIC. Show some respect.

http://i31.tinypic.com/egoejc.gif

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/912/denverxxxiiitj4.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=denverxxxiiitj4.jpg)



http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7798/superbowlxxxiiringjg9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Im so sorry Tony I can't hear you. Something must be in my ears.

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 11:45 PM
At age 32?

Unlikely.


Try 42, in bunny slippers and dragging a sledge.
He's a blurrrrrrrrrrrr!!

SoCalBronco
06-20-2008, 11:45 PM
At age 32?

Unlikely.

I seem to remember a game in 2002 at Arrowhead where he went up the seam on a middle post route and completely outran your whole defense after the catch for like 50 yards or something.

And he was 34 at the time.

Man-Goblin
06-20-2008, 11:50 PM
I seem to remember a game in 2002 at Arrowhead where he went up the seam on a middle post route and completely outran your whole defense after the catch for like 50 yards or something.

And he was 34 at the time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=221020012

This is actually a pretty awesome read. Griese was 30-50 in that game with 376 yards. Buah.

Man-Goblin
06-20-2008, 11:52 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=221020012

This is actually a pretty awesome read. Greise was 30-50 in that game with 376 yards. Buah.

Oh ****. after further analysis, it gets better.

"After Sharpe beat three defenders for his first TD, an 82-yarder, he couldn't resist needling Kansas City's fans. He bent down in the end zone, unfastened some tape from his shoe and showed them what was written underneath."

DenverBrit
06-20-2008, 11:54 PM
Oh ****. after further analysis, it gets better.

"After Sharpe beat three defenders for his first TD, an 82-yarder, he couldn't resist needling Kansas City's fans. He bent down in the end zone, unfastened some tape from his bunny slipper and showed them what was written underneath."

:welcome:

Florida_Bronco
06-20-2008, 11:57 PM
Nothing says Pinata like the Boob.

I agree.

Bobo really is like a pinata, think about...he's constantly getting beat on and his rather large volume is filled with candy, junk food and other assorted bull****.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1869036&postcount=44

Bob's your Information Minister
06-20-2008, 11:58 PM
I seem to remember a game in 2002 at Arrowhead where he went up the seam on a middle post route and completely outran your whole defense after the catch for like 50 yards or something.

And he was 34 at the time.

We had a pretty slow defense. That's not really an argument in Sharpe's favor.

BroncoBuff
06-21-2008, 12:00 AM
We had a pretty slow defense. That's not really an argument in Sharpe's favor.
Yeah. Anybody could have split the seam for 50 against that chef secondary.

Florida_Bronco
06-21-2008, 12:00 AM
Bobo spins again. He must be feeling pretty dizzy right about now.

kmonty
06-21-2008, 12:01 AM
Here's another angle. Incredible catch. Sharpe couldn't do this. It also wasn't a zone defense. The corners were manned up. It also took an army of Chargers to bring Tony down. EPIC. Show some respect.

http://i31.tinypic.com/egoejc.gif

LOL his teammate is tackling him too.

Even in the middle of a good play the Chiefs display incompetence.

DenverBrit
06-21-2008, 12:05 AM
I agree.



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1869036&postcount=44

or

Every board needs a Pinata.

Bob hands out sticks when he posts. :clown:



http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1292002&highlight=pinata#post1292002

Bob's your Information Minister
06-21-2008, 12:05 AM
Yeah. Anybody could have split the seam for 50 against that chef secondary.

Actually, it's true. We had the second-worst secondary that year. We had dudes like Quincy Morgan lighting us up.

DBroncos4life
06-21-2008, 12:07 AM
We had a pretty slow defense. That's not really an argument in Sharpe's favor.

Chargers D was a poor leaping defense. That's not really and argument in Tony's favor.

Inkana7
06-21-2008, 12:14 AM
I seem to remember a game in 2002 at Arrowhead where he went up the seam on a middle post route and completely outran your whole defense after the catch for like 50 yards or something.

And he was 34 at the time.

I also seem to remember him setting an NFL Record for yards by a TE that day. 214.

Gonzo couldn't do that.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 12:18 AM
Bob, you're a ******.

In other news, Sharpe is still better than Gonzo. I still feel bad for Gonzo, playing his career with the worthless chefs.

Rausch 2.0
06-21-2008, 12:29 AM
In other news, Sharpe is still better than Gonzo. I still feel bad for Gonzo, playing his career with the worthless chefs.

And yet so much more productive than Sharpe.

Gonzo will break all of Sharpe's records and career stats while playing with inferior talent to what Sharpe had.

Gonzo's never had a decent QB other than 2 years with Green. Gonzo's never had a legit WR to take the attention away from him. Gonzo never even had a legit HB to make teams defend the run until Priest got here.

Yet, Gonzo still managed to bust Sharpes records. And it's even more impressive when you consider he didn't get all those playoff games and super bowls Sharpe had.

So, he's done it with less talent and fewer games.

Clearly, Sharpe is the better player...

BroncoBuff
06-21-2008, 12:48 AM
This is a silly argument ... both are first-ballot Hall-of-Famers, but Shannon Sharpe will be better remembered for the Lombardis, his personality, that he made ALL the big plays leading the Ravens to the Super Bowl, and that he accomplished his numbers within an offense studded with stars. Gonzalez will be a Charles Barkley type who never won the big one, but had remarkable numbers in offenses with mostly pedestrian QBs and skill position players ... at least until 2001 when Priest Holmes finally broke out. He will be slightly discounted by those in the know because the chefs haven't had a really superior WR since Otis Taylor, or at least Carlos Carson ;D ... so he had tons of balls thrown his way by mediocre QBs who couldn't get the ball downfield.

Rausch 2.0
06-21-2008, 01:10 AM
He will be slightly discounted by those in the know because the chefs haven't had a really superior WR since Otis Taylor, or at least Carlos Carson ;D ... so he had tons of balls thrown his way by mediocre QBs who couldn't get the ball downfield.

I would disagree with this. The fact that he had no HB/WR to open him up or distract a defense should add to his production.

Really, honestly, going into next year what scares the average Denver fan?

Bowe is good but he's young. LJ is still a stud but most people think a freak injury is somehow tied to his carries.

Gonzo. They'll shut down Gonzo and likely win.

Another argument I don't like is the "athleticism" argument. "Well, Sharpe was a better pure athlete." I'd argue the only pure talents at the TE position higher than Sharpe are Winslow and Mackey.

Even so that has squat to due with HOF votes. At least it shouldn't.

Bo Jackson was likely the most talented athlete to ever play in the NFL. Hell, Mike Vick was easily the most physically gifted athlete to ever play QB. Hands down. It was like taking Elway and then squaring him.

But who's going to the HOF and who's going to showers covering his @$$?

Production is what matters, or should matter.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 01:12 AM
And yet so much more productive than Sharpe.

Gonzo will break all of Sharpe's records and career stats while playing with inferior talent to what Sharpe had.

Gonzo's never had a decent QB other than 2 years with Green. Gonzo's never had a legit WR to take the attention away from him. Gonzo never even had a legit HB to make teams defend the run until Priest got here.

Yet, Gonzo still managed to bust Sharpes records. And it's even more impressive when you consider he didn't get all those playoff games and super bowls Sharpe had.

So, he's done it with less talent and fewer games.

Clearly, Sharpe is the better player...

Cause we all know every player plays for stats not rings. Just ask Marino.

BroncoBuff
06-21-2008, 01:13 AM
And yet so much more productive than Sharpe.

Gonzo will break all of Sharpe's records and career stats while playing with inferior talent to what Sharpe had.

Gonzo's never had a decent QB other than 2 years with Green. Gonzo's never had a legit WR to take the attention away from him. Gonzo never even had a legit HB to make teams defend the run until Priest got here.

Yet, Gonzo still managed to bust Sharpes records. And it's even more impressive when you consider he didn't get all those playoff games and super bowls Sharpe had.

So, he's done it with less talent and fewer games.

Clearly, Sharpe is the better player...
The fact he played with LESS talent around him, and with MEDIOCRE quarterbacks means he was thrown to far, FAR more times than he would have been on another team, say Denver. So your argument is pro-Sharpe.

THIS would be an interesting stat: Total number of balls thrown to each - divide into that number of chances the yards and TDs. Sharpe would almost certainly come out on top.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 01:14 AM
I would disagree with this...

of course you do, you're a douche.



Production is what matters, or should matter.

The warcry of the perennial loser. Championships, what? :rofl:

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 01:16 AM
The fact he played with LESS talent around him, and with MEDIOCRE quarterbacks means he was thrown to far, FAR more times than he would have been on another team, say Denver. So your argument is pro-Sharpe.

THIS would be an interesting stat: Total number of balls thrown to each - divide into that number of chances the yards and TDs. Sharpe would almost certainly come out on top.

Don't forget buff, this is literaly all the chef fans have left. It grates on them continuously that a Bronco is still better than the only thing they've had to cheer for over the last decade plus. I love this thread.

BroncoBuff
06-21-2008, 01:16 AM
Sharpe was generally the third or fourth option on this offense.

Gonzo was #2 mostly, and before Priest he was option #1 alotta the time.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-21-2008, 01:18 AM
The fact he played with LESS talent around him, and with MEDIOCRE quarterbacks means he was thrown to far, FAR more times than he would have been on another team, say Denver. So your argument is pro-Sharpe.


It's a wash at best.

Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-21-2008, 01:19 AM
Sharpe was generally the third or fourth option on this offense.

Gonzo was #2 mostly, and before Priest he was option #1 alotta the time.

Explain why he didn't have 100 catches in Baltimore, then.

Answer: He wasn't as good as Gonzalez.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 01:20 AM
lol. I like how not even 1 Bronco fan tries to take anything away from Gonzo and what he's accomplished with a hapless chef franchise...but on the flipside, the chef cock suckers just refuse to recognize Sharpe's greatness. That's ok though, I'll enjoy my back to back Super Bowl wins, while you try to convince us how high the great gonz can jump.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 01:21 AM
Explain why he didn't have 100 catches in Baltimore, then.

Answer: He wasn't as good as Gonzalez.

Sharpe SB rings with Baltimore: 1

Gonzo rings with chefs: 0.

Florida_Bronco
06-21-2008, 01:25 AM
Hey Bobo, did you even live in this country for the start of Sharpe's career? Seems to me that you probably should just STFU about Sharpe's play as I doubt you even saw his early years. Most of us were marveling at Sharpe's career before you even knew what football was.

Even if you did though, you're still ****ing clueless. Tell us again how many years of football you played?

Rausch 2.0
06-21-2008, 01:29 AM
THIS would be an interesting stat: Total number of balls thrown to each - divide into that number of chances the yards and TDs. Sharpe would almost certainly come out on top.

I don't know what the "thrown to" percentage was. I don't even know if we can find that out.

I can say that, up to this point, Gonzo has played in 30 fewer games. That's huge. That's almost two full seasons less than Sharpe.

And I'd say Gonzo likely had less opportunities due to KC's dog$#it offense his first 6 years that consisted of Run, Run, Pass, Punt. We like to call it the R2P2 in KC.

The pic below has Gonzo's stats with Sharpe's career numbers below (and unfortunately slightly askew.)

Bob's your Information Minister
06-21-2008, 01:34 AM
Hey Bobo, did you even live in this country for the start of Sharpe's career? Seems to me that you probably should just STFU about Sharpe's play as I doubt you even saw his early years.

I've been watching the sport since 1992 so I've seen plenty of Sharpe.

Of course, you were four years old when he was a rookie.

So shut the **** up, Florida Bobbo.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 01:44 AM
only kc fans think gonzo is better than sharpe. this is fun.

Florida_Bronco
06-21-2008, 01:45 AM
So again, I was watching the sport before you even lived in this country and at 4 years old I already had a huge head start on you when it comes to football knowledge, which was accelerated even further when I played organized football almost every year from age 8 up into high school...something you never did.

So how come you never played football Bobo? Were you too lazy/slow/dumb to even be one of the fat 3rd string linemen? Was mommy too worried the kids with even a shred of athletic ability would embarrass you? Or was your arrogant attitude so bad that all the kids and coaches hated you?

It has to be one of those reasons.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-21-2008, 02:19 AM
So again, I was watching the sport before you even lived in this country and at 4 years old I already had a huge head start on you when it comes to football knowledge

That's great. Did they give out trophies for football knowledge? Let me know how that's working out for you.

I'll be over here not caring.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 02:26 AM
god knows you don't have any knowledge. but wait, gonzo can jump high, amirtie guys?

azbroncfan
06-21-2008, 03:09 AM
I haven't read through this thread but it is a garbage thread by the title. It will take 4 years at least to find out who was the better draft pick. Right now both of the bums are just potential. They both suck until proven otherwise.

KCStud
06-21-2008, 03:22 AM
Sharpe SB rings with Baltimore: 1

Gonzo rings with chefs: 0.

Yes because Sharpe had A LOT to do with the Ravens winning that year. :rofl:

Everybody knows the Ravens won that SB with their defense

KCStud
06-21-2008, 03:23 AM
only kc fans think gonzo is better than sharpe. this is fun.

And only Bronco fans think Scheffler, aka super hero of the world, is better than Gonzo. What a joke that is :rofl:

Florida_Bronco
06-21-2008, 03:26 AM
No trophies, but I guess bottom feeder publications like WPI will give writing "jobs" to any blob who has watched a game of football in his life.

I wonder how your readers would feel if they knew you came here and constantly got your ass handed to you by a bunch of Bronco fans.

jonny1
06-21-2008, 08:40 AM
Yes because Sharpe had A LOT to do with the Ravens winning that year. :rofl:

Everybody knows the Ravens won that SB with their defense

Do you EVER watch any football?

The Ravens wouldn't have made it through the playoffs if not for a couple of plays by Sharpe, against the Broncos (dammit) and the Faders.

sixtimeseight
06-21-2008, 09:18 AM
I don't know what the "thrown to" percentage was. I don't even know if we can find that out.

I can say that, up to this point, Gonzo has played in 30 fewer games. That's huge. That's almost two full seasons less than Sharpe.

And I'd say Gonzo likely had less opportunities due to KC's dog$#it offense his first 6 years that consisted of Run, Run, Pass, Punt. We like to call it the R2P2 in KC.

The pic below has Gonzo's stats with Sharpe's career numbers below (and unfortunately slightly askew.)

Looks to me that their stats are almost identical. Time to go to the tiebreaker:

Sharpe: http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii73/dmajorfifth/Sharpes_SB_rings.jpg

Gonzalez: http://www.zooplus.ie/bilder/puppy/play/toy/bite/ring/1/43867KarlieWelpenspielzeu_1.jpg


Game over.

Inkana7
06-21-2008, 11:18 AM
Gonzo better than Sharpe? You guys are funny.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 06:51 PM
And only Bronco fans think Scheffler, aka super hero of the world, is better than Gonzo. What a joke that is :rofl:

I never made that claim, and anybody who would doesn't know football, much like you and bobo so not sure why you'd give it any credance anyway.

2KBack
06-21-2008, 07:39 PM
It should be noted that Sharpe also has 62 catches and 800 yards in the playoffs to Gonzos 11 and 106.

oh yeah, and Tony played on offenses that ranked in the top 10 in either yards or points 8 times in his career, so the whole, ****ty offense argument doesn't hold water.

SureShot
06-21-2008, 07:44 PM
More importantly Shannon has a 30 inch verticle where as Gonzo's verticle jump cannot be truely measured by todays scientists.

Atwater His Ass
06-21-2008, 09:52 PM
It should be noted that Sharpe also has 62 catches and 800 yards in the playoffs to Gonzos 11 and 106.

oh yeah, and Tony played on offenses that ranked in the top 10 in either yards or points 8 times in his career, so the whole, ****ty offense argument doesn't hold water.

Oh but playoff stats and rings DONT MATTER!!! really guys, it's all about regular season stats and jumping HIGH! FOR REEEEAAAALLLL!!!1!

And gonzo dunks over the crossbar when he scores, see?? he's better!!!!

Players like Trent Green and Priest Homles sucked!!!! Tony was all we had! Not to mention a decade of one of the best OL in the league. But really, our offenses were horrible, they only had Tony G zomg!

Kaylore
06-22-2008, 02:42 AM
I never made that claim, and anybody who would doesn't know football, much like you and bobo so not sure why you'd give it any credance anyway.

Nobody did but he keeps bringing it up.

Killericon
06-22-2008, 02:48 AM
Nobody did but he keeps bringing it up.

And he paints us all with the same brush. It's a total straw man, and it's annoying just to read.

crazyhorse
06-22-2008, 05:50 AM
Now wait:

I thought John Elway was the reason the Broncos won a SB. er I mean...TD...er, I mean.....Rod Smith.

I just cant tell what individual won the Superbowl for the Broncos anymore.:clown:


Let's be realistic folks. When you are trying to evaluate individual talent, you cant use SB wins. A SB win is a team achievement. If you wanted to use SBs as a way of evaluating a single player, then you could argue that Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino. I think we all know how ridiculous that statement is.

If you want to compare a player to another, then you have to attempt to evauate the team they played for and the effect it had on thier individual statistics. Then try to compare those statistics. The arguement will always be subjective. Fact is, both were good TE's. I happen to be in the camp that feels TG is the better of the 2. But then I'm a Chiefs fan. It's no surprize that most here feel that Sharpe was better.

I think we can all agree that statistically Gonzo will shatter Sharpes statistics when all is said and done. I'm also fairly sure that Gonzo would give up those stats to have a ring.

Atwater His Ass
06-22-2008, 01:05 PM
Now wait:

I thought John Elway was the reason the Broncos won a SB. er I mean...TD...er, I mean.....Rod Smith.

I just cant tell what individual won the Superbowl for the Broncos anymore.:clown:


Let's be realistic folks. When you are trying to evaluate individual talent, you cant use SB wins. A SB win is a team achievement. If you wanted to use SBs as a way of evaluating a single player, then you could argue that Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino. I think we all know how ridiculous that statement is.

If you want to compare a player to another, then you have to attempt to evauate the team they played for and the effect it had on thier individual statistics. Then try to compare those statistics. The arguement will always be subjective. Fact is, both were good TE's. I happen to be in the camp that feels TG is the better of the 2. But then I'm a Chiefs fan. It's no surprize that most here feel that Sharpe was better.

I think we can all agree that statistically Gonzo will shatter Sharpes statistics when all is said and done. I'm also fairly sure that Gonzo would give up his left nut to have 3 rings.

ftfy.

Regardless, eventhough a SB win is a team accomplishment, you also need good players to get it done (hi 80s Bronocs). While you can't attribute the entire victory to a single player, you can't take away the whole of the accomplishment from them either.

Some players mean more to their teams than just the stats or with their leadership. In Sharpe's case, he's the even rarer player that can do both. Although Baltimore rode their defense to their SB win, it's not merely a coinecednce that Sharpe was a part of leading that team to victory, something that Gonzalez just can't do even when he had talent around him.

Bottom line is chief fans want to just look at things that put gonzo in a better light than Sharpe will ignoring the opposite. I mean, winning SB's is the be all end all in this sport. It's why they play. So saying that a player that has won 3 but it has to be thrown out in an argument only because it doesn't help your side of the case, is just ludricus. It's the mantra of the perennial loser and it gets old.

We can all agree that Sharpe and gonzo are two of the all time greats at the position and we've been lucky to see them play. However, history remembers winners, and as such, Sharpe will always go down at the better of the two in every region of the world outside of Kansas City. This is why it's too bad for gonzo that he never got out of KC while he could.

KCStud
06-22-2008, 02:16 PM
ftfy.

Regardless, eventhough a SB win is a team accomplishment, you also need good players to get it done (hi 80s Bronocs). While you can't attribute the entire victory to a single player, you can't take away the whole of the accomplishment from them either.

Some players mean more to their teams than just the stats or with their leadership. In Sharpe's case, he's the even rarer player that can do both. Although Baltimore rode their defense to their SB win, it's not merely a coinecednce that Sharpe was a part of leading that team to victory, something that Gonzalez just can't do even when he had talent around him.

Bottom line is chief fans want to just look at things that put gonzo in a better light than Sharpe will ignoring the opposite. I mean, winning SB's is the be all end all in this sport. It's why they play. So saying that a player that has won 3 but it has to be thrown out in an argument only because it doesn't help your side of the case, is just ludricus. It's the mantra of the perennial loser and it gets old.

We can all agree that Sharpe and gonzo are two of the all time greats at the position and we've been lucky to see them play. However, history remembers winners, and as such, Sharpe will always go down at the better of the two in every region of the world outside of Kansas City. This is why it's too bad for gonzo that he never got out of KC while he could.

Really? Is that why people remember Dan Marino as one of the best QB's of all time?

Gonzo has played his part. Players get their rings as a part of a TEAM. It's a TEAM effort.
Gonzo does not have a ring because his TEAM was not as talented or good to make it. Now please tell me how that is his fault?

And your argument is weak. Gonzo was great in the stats AND leadership. The entire team looks up to him for a reason and has for the last 5+ years.

Gonzo has put his team in position to win plenty of times. His team could not make the plays. Gonzo was a big part of KC's offense against Indy at home in the playoffs. It was not his fault that his defense was horrible.
One player can only do so much. It's a TEAM that decides the game.

KCStud
06-22-2008, 02:19 PM
Rings do NOT decide if a one player is better than another. It's not like that one player made all the plays and won. The only position you can argue that against is QB, not TE.

I bet the fans who believe this are the same fans who believed that Peyton Manning was not as good as Tom Brady when he didn't have a ring when Manning was clearly a better QB

Kaylore
06-22-2008, 02:40 PM
Rings do NOT decide if a one player is better than another. It's not like that one player made all the plays and won. The only position you can argue that against is QB, not TE.

I bet the fans who believe this are the same fans who believed that Peyton Manning was not as good as Tom Brady when he didn't have a ring when Manning was clearly a better QB

Rings aren't the deciding factor, but they can't be ignored. Someone who makes plays in big games and wins championships can't be ignored. They have to factored in with everything else. Sharpe made some huge plays in the playoffs and was extremely productive there. Especially with the Ravens there were plays where if he doesn't make them, they don't go to the Super Bowl. He converted a critical third down for us against the Steelers to take us to the top and him just being on the field helped neutralize Butler and open things up for the run game against the Packers in SB XXXII.

From all accounts, Gonzo hasn't had any great postseason performances. He has been very prolific, but people want to see performances in the playoffs to elevate them to great status. It might not be fair, but its how a lot of people think and its one of the reasons guys like Barry Sanders aren't usually picked as "the greatest" running back of all time but "one of" instead.

sixtimeseight
06-22-2008, 03:02 PM
Rings do NOT decide if a one player is better than another. It's not like that one player made all the plays and won. The only position you can argue that against is QB, not TE.

Mmmm hmmm. Easy argument to make when none of your favorite players have ever won a ring. It's hard to understand when you haven't seen the players on your favorite team elevate their play to superhuman levels when it counts the most. Like we have with Sharpe. I know your bitter (hell, I would be too) but don't blame us, we're not the enemy. Your inept ownership and management is.

sixtimeseight
06-22-2008, 03:04 PM
Really? Is that why people remember Dan Marino as one of the best QB's of all time?

If he had one ring, he would universally be regarded as the best QB of all time. So yea, that argument fails as well.

Greybeard
06-22-2008, 04:15 PM
I've been watching the sport since 1992 so I've seen plenty of Sharpe.

Of course, you were four years old when he was a rookie.

So shut the **** up, Florida Bobbo.

I've been watching the sport since about 1957, and I was 45 years old when Sharpe was a rookie.

What would you like to know about him? http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

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kmonty
06-22-2008, 04:22 PM
I've been watching the sport since about 1957, and I was 45 years old when Sharpe was a rookie.

What would you like to know about him? http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

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Bringing out the big guns... custom smiley's...

Inkana7
06-22-2008, 04:22 PM
I've been watching the sport since about 1957, and I was 45 years old when Sharpe was a rookie.

What would you like to know about him? http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh256/AZDynamics/Smilies/coffee.gif

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This is why I love topscribe.

Atwater His Ass
06-22-2008, 05:11 PM
Mmmm hmmm. Easy argument to make when none of your favorite players have ever won a ring. It's hard to understand when you haven't seen the players on your favorite team elevate their play to superhuman levels when it counts the most. Like we have with Sharpe. I know your bitter (hell, I would be too) but don't blame us, we're not the enemy. Your inept ownership and management is.

Indeed.

chef fans just won't ever get it. they don't know what it's like to win a SB. they only want to count the arguments that are in their favor and ignore everything else. which in this case, everything else is the post-season and what it means. it's only the most important aspect of the game, and chef fans want us to ignore it because they have zero idea what it's like to win. none.

crazyhorse
06-22-2008, 05:31 PM
ftfy.

Regardless, eventhough a SB win is a team accomplishment, you also need good players to get it done (hi 80s Bronocs). While you can't attribute the entire victory to a single player, you can't take away the whole of the accomplishment from them either.

Some players mean more to their teams than just the stats or with their leadership. In Sharpe's case, he's the even rarer player that can do both. Although Baltimore rode their defense to their SB win, it's not merely a coinecednce that Sharpe was a part of leading that team to victory, something that Gonzalez just can't do even when he had talent around him.

Bottom line is chief fans want to just look at things that put gonzo in a better light than Sharpe will ignoring the opposite. I mean, winning SB's is the be all end all in this sport. It's why they play. So saying that a player that has won 3 but it has to be thrown out in an argument only because it doesn't help your side of the case, is just ludricus. It's the mantra of the perennial loser and it gets old.

We can all agree that Sharpe and gonzo are two of the all time greats at the position and we've been lucky to see them play. However, history remembers winners, and as such, Sharpe will always go down at the better of the two in every region of the world outside of Kansas City. This is why it's too bad for gonzo that he never got out of KC while he could.

So you're saying that Joe Montana was at least 2X as good as John Elway? That's an interesting perspective for sure.

In my opinion, those that use a SB as the only arguement for a player being better than another is for those that lack real ammunition to be able to evaluate a player based on personal production.

Thanks for the exchange. It was a delight.

Greybeard
06-22-2008, 05:36 PM
This is why I love topscribe.

:kiss:


:~ohyah!:

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crazyhorse
06-22-2008, 05:39 PM
Indeed.

chef fans just won't ever get it. they don't know what it's like to win a SB. they only want to count the arguments that are in their favor and ignore everything else. which in this case, everything else is the post-season and what it means. it's only the most important aspect of the game, and chef fans want us to ignore it because they have zero idea what it's like to win. none.


Jeez buddy....why get so pissed off?

You must really be wrong about something.

sixtimeseight
06-22-2008, 05:46 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=68262

That didn't last long.

crazyhorse
06-22-2008, 05:51 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=68262

That didn't last long.

You have no idea what trolling means.

I certainly have the right to defend my postion. I think I've done it quite well in fact.

I've done nothing in this thread that can be considered trolling.

I said I wouldn't troll, and I haven't. I said nothing about kissing your ass.

And I wont.

Have a nice day

Bob's your Information Minister
06-22-2008, 05:55 PM
Broncos fans have thin skin, film at 11.

kmonty
06-22-2008, 05:56 PM
If he had one ring, he would universally be regarded as the best QB of all time. So yea, that argument fails as well.

I don't know about that.

On another note, I just had an epiphany with your name. I've been reading it as "six time seight", with "sight" badly misspelled, a hundred times. Just caught that. Laughed at myself. :)

Kaylore
06-22-2008, 06:49 PM
Out of curiousity how did this get off the topic of Clady VS. Albert?

Greybeard
06-22-2008, 07:08 PM
Out of curiousity how did this get off the topic of Clady VS. Albert?

I don't know . . . maybe all that could be said about a couple untried rookies was said.

Seems all that was left was Bob's rants?

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24champ
06-22-2008, 07:52 PM
Out of curiousity how did this get off the topic of Clady VS. Albert?

Cheffy fans are obsessed with the Broncos and how badly they want to be like our organization...

Bob's your Information Minister
06-22-2008, 08:31 PM
Out of curiousity how did this get off the topic of Clady VS. Albert?

KCStud brought up Tony Scheffler, and how Broncos fans thought he was going to be as good as Gonzalez...and it went haywire!

Don't worry, the discussion will naturally go back to how good Albert is and how awful Clady is come September, when Albert is destroying Jarvis Moss and Clady is getting owned by Tamba Hali.

azbroncfan
06-22-2008, 08:51 PM
KCStud brought up Tony Scheffler, and how Broncos fans thought he was going to be as good as Gonzalez...and it went haywire!

Don't worry, the discussion will naturally go back to how good Albert is and how awful Clady is come September, when Albert is destroying Jarvis Moss and Clady is getting owned by Tamba Hali.

How do you know this? I can't believe people take your bait. Your takes on football are terrible and you have been way off more often then right.

Right now both Albert and Clady are busts will all potential until proven otherwise and will take 3+ years until anyone knows.

KCStud
06-22-2008, 08:59 PM
Mmmm hmmm. Easy argument to make when none of your favorite players have ever won a ring. It's hard to understand when you haven't seen the players on your favorite team elevate their play to superhuman levels when it counts the most. Like we have with Sharpe. I know your bitter (hell, I would be too) but don't blame us, we're not the enemy. Your inept ownership and management is.

Have it your way. In that case I guess

Montana/Bradshaw/Brady >>> Elway

Cause rings count righttttt?????

Kaylore
06-22-2008, 09:00 PM
Cheffy fans are obsessed with the Broncos and how badly they want to be like our organization...

Not all chief fans. Rausch isn't. His takes are usually pretty good. The majority of the others that have posted here are, though. Bob isn't so much a Chief fan as he is an anti-Bronco fan that happens to like the Chiefs too and craves attention. KCSheepStud and Kmartin are horribly insecure about anyone not giving their team props. Crazyhorse is probably just a homer.

KCStud
06-22-2008, 09:02 PM
Right now both Albert and Clady are busts will all potential until proven otherwise and will take 3+ years until anyone knows.

Not according to Kaylore. According to him, Albert is already an average LT despite not playing a down in the NFL

Kaylore
06-22-2008, 09:02 PM
Have it your way. In that case I guess

Montana/Bradshaw/Brady >>> Elway

Cause rings count righttttt?????

They should be factored in, absolutely. By your logic Dan Marino and Brett Favre > Joe Montana and John Elway. That's stupid and most people would call you an idiot for suggesting it. Yet they have all the stats! So they're the best!:hitself: :dummy:

KCStud
06-22-2008, 09:05 PM
Not all chief fans. Rausch isn't. His takes are usually pretty good. The majority of the others that have posted here are, though. Bob isn't so much a Chief fan as he is an anti-Bronco fan that happens to like the Chiefs too and craves attention. KCSheepStud and Kmartin are horribly insecure about anyone not giving their team props. Crazyhorse is probably just a homer.

No you're just a homer who wears orange and blue colored glasse's. You have proved many times your horrible take on football.
LMAO every Bronco is great and every Chief and/or Raider is terrible

Inkana7
06-22-2008, 09:08 PM
No you're just a homer who wears orange and blue colored glasse's. You have proved many times your horrible take on football.
LMAO every Bronco is great and every Chief and/or Raider is terrible

Quite simply, you have a vendetta against Khan because he owns you every time you open your mouth.

KCStud
06-22-2008, 09:08 PM
They should be factored in, absolutely. By your logic Dan Marino and Brett Favre > Joe Montana and John Elway. That's stupid and most people would call you an idiot for suggesting it. Yet they have all the stats! So they're the best!:hitself: :dummy:

Stats don't tell everything about how good a player is either, though it should be a factor.