As much as I dislike Tiger (US Open)

[Sassy]

...I'm kind of pulling for him. That was a great shot to force a playoff round! It would be great to see him win after having knee surgery...

[tsiguy96]

i feel bad for rocco, first non top 100 player to ever have a real shot at winning, and he has to go against one of (if not the) best of all times, heads up. but then again, i dont feel bad because in order to win a tournament, you need to beat the rest of teh field, and that includes the absolute best.

[Sassy]

I'm a Phil fan...and like usual...Phil mucked it up again! LOL!

[bronco militia]

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[Los Broncos]

I was watching it at the fathers day party, I called that final putt.

Everyone said he wouldn't make it.

[colonelbeef]

I was watching it at the fathers day party, I called that final putt.

Everyone said he wouldn't make it.


haha. same here. seemed obvious to me that he would. won some cash off the old man on that putt :D

[Los Broncos]

haha. same here. seemed obvious to me that he would. won some cash off the old man on that putt :D

Nice, people wanted to take bets, but I didn't have any cash on me.

It was so close, just rimmed in there.

[24champ]

I don't know why anyone dislikes Tiger?

Tiger is the GOAT in Golf...watching him play is a treat. It's like watching Elway orchestrating "the drive" time and time again.

I marvel at how he makes those pressure packed putts look so easy. Unreal...

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[Atwater His Ass]

How can you not like Tiger?

It's pretty amazing a guy can have knee surgery, not play comptetivly for 2 months, and come back against the world's best players and beat them at what Phil Mickelson called the hardest golf course in the world. It's simply amazing.

[Los Broncos]

I always have respected Tiger.

My grandfather was friends with his father, they played together at Heartwell in Long Beach.

They have photos of Tiger when he was just a kid playing there.

[bronco militia]

it's boom or bust with tiger woods. Unfortunately he's the reason there's no more International at Castle Pines.


drew litton's caption that went with his cartoon:

Tiger Woods is back and for the PGA tour it comes just in the nick of time. The tour has struggled without Woods who took a few months off to recover from knee surgery. Tiger Woods IS the PGA tour, which is part of the problem. Golf has become a one note symphony, which doesn't exactly endear itself to a new generation of fans.

[Los Broncos]

I really want to play Torrey Pines, fees aren't to bad.

[azbroncfan]

...I'm kind of pulling for him. That was a great shot to force a playoff round! It would be great to see him win after having knee surgery...

How can you not like Tiger especially if you are an american?

[Sassy]

How can you not like Tiger especially if you are an american?

What does that have to do with anything??
I hate "egos"... and root for the "underdogs".

[Los Broncos]

If you were the worlds greatest golfer or athlete for that matter, you would have an ego too.

[Atwater His Ass]

Except part of what makes Woods so endearing is that he's smashing all these records, destorying all these opponents, and he's entirely respectful to his peers and to the past players. He's 100% class. Woods' ego nothing compared to what he has and what he will accomplish.

[Sassy]

Class? Yeah....temper tantrums are classy...right. As is yelling at crowd.

...but like I said...I would still like to see him pull it off tomorrow.

[Los Broncos]

So you don't like temper tantrums or egos?

[24champ]

Except part of what makes Woods so endearing is that he's smashing all these records, destorying all these opponents, and he's entirely respectful to his peers and to the past players. He's 100% class. Woods' ego nothing compared to what he has and what he will accomplish.

100% correct. I saw him play a LONG time ago in Las Vegas. He treated the crowds with respect and shook hands with his opponent. Nothing but class for Tiger.

[CBF1]

Class? Yeah....temper tantrums are classy...right. As is yelling at crowd....but like I said...I would still like to see him pull it off tomorrow.

You must have loved Jake Plummer and his 1 finger salute.... and Brandon Marshall calling out the fans last season after the Chargers embarrassment.Ha!

[Atwater His Ass]

Class? Yeah....temper tantrums are classy...right. As is yelling at crowd.

...but like I said...I would still like to see him pull it off tomorrow.

Sounds like you're basing your opinion off of a few isolated instances. Don't let the media make your opinions for you.

[Sassy]

Sounds like you're basing your opinion off of a few isolated instances. Don't let the media make your opinions for you.

Ha! "a few isolated incidences"...so you're saying that it was ok for Tiger to blowup a couple of times? Sorry...just don't like it...and no, CBF1, I don't agree with Jake and Brandon doing it either! LOL!...don't get me started on Brandon Marshall...we'll have all the Brandon Worshippers in here like that!

[Atwater His Ass]

I'm saying you don't know all the details. You are only privy to what the media tells you. No one here can comprehend that amount of pressure and the difficutly and discipline it takes to achieve what Tiger has. This isn't just some guy that won 2 or 3 majors (which would more than make every other golfers career). This is the greatest golfer the world has ever seen, and based on that, I don't have a problem when the guy loses his cool every once in awhile. Just shows that he's human imo.

Hey, but if you want to go out on a witchhunt just because you don't care for him....be my guest.

[24champ]

The only reason I have seen people really hate/dislike Tiger is based on his race.

I think he is a great golfer, and one that wants to be the Greatest ever to step on that grass. What I have seen on GolfTV and in person, he is a very respectful gentleman. A couple times he got mad...BFD. Every golfer gets mad when they make a bad shot. I know I get pissed off if I hook or slice a shot into the trees.:spit:

[Cito Pelon]

...I'm kind of pulling for him. That was a great shot to force a playoff round! It would be great to see him win after having knee surgery...

I'm not pulling for him. He's darn good though, real darn good. It's hard to gauge him against the former greats because the level of competition doesn't seem to be very good. He shoots +2 in the final round and opens the door for somebody on the leaderboard to take the tourney with a good round, but nobody does that. Seldom have I seen others at the top of the board put a good score up on Sunday to win the Majors. I see this constantly.

So he's definitely the best of his generation, but if he had better competition?????

[Atwater His Ass]

In a lot of cases, Tiger wins these tournaments going away. It's not like he winning by 1 or 2 or in a playoff normally.

I think what you are seeing is a result of the fact that Tiger is just that much better than anyone else. The disparity in the competition is a direct result of Tiger's skill set; not the lack of skill by the other players.

[Northman]

Ha! "a few isolated incidences"...so you're saying that it was ok for Tiger to blowup a couple of times? Sorry...just don't like it...and no, CBF1, I don't agree with Jake and Brandon doing it either! LOL!...don't get me started on Brandon Marshall...we'll have all the Brandon Worshippers in here like that!

Or your non-stop defending of Jake. ;)

[Sassy]

Or your non-stop defending of Jake. ;)

Yeah...his play...not his antics on/off the field.
But this thread isn't about Jake or Brandon either for that matter.

[Boss Man]

I never watch golf, but today i just so happened to watch the end of it, and damnnnnn that was clutch.

[Houshyamama]

I really want to play Torrey Pines, fees aren't to bad.

I work across the street :thumbsup:

Tiger Woods is undoubtedly the GOAT in my opinion. I've been a big fan since he won the Masters in 97? 98? Time and time again I've seen him do things that just flat out blew me away. This was one of them, watched it live and I'll never forget it:
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[theAPAOps5]

Man I watch golf every chance I get. Probably because I play it makes it more interesting. But Saturdays clutch back 9 was one of the all time great Tiger moments. Then that putt to tie that almost lipped out was amazing. He just pulls stuff out of his ass and it looks like he practiced it for years.

As for class. I think he is actually pretty classy. He is well liked in the club house and rarely do you hear bad things. I would be snapping at fans too if right in my back swing they are clicking pictures or talking on their phone it has to get old. But he doesn't do it as much as he had years past.

No you want to know who is a prick on the tour its Davis Love III. I used to go to the tournament in Hilton Head every year and he is from the Savannah area where I went to school. We followed him and he made a nice shot and we said so. He looked at us and said I know. Very shooter McGavin like.

[theAPAOps5]

I work across the street :thumbsup:

Tiger Woods is undoubtedly the GOAT in my opinion. I've been a big fan since he won the Masters in 97? 98? Time and time again I've seen him do things that just flat out blew me away. This was one of them, watched it live and I'll never forget it:
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I just feel bad for his playing partner. How on earth do you follow something like that up. How did you get tickets. I never could get them when I lived there.

[Houshyamama]

I just feel bad for his playing partner. How on earth do you follow something like that up. How did you get tickets. I never could get them when I lived there.

Ha! Saw it live on the T. V. I'd do illegal things to get tickets to the Masters.

[broncocalijohn]

Sassy, not sure how you dont like Tiger as he shows how you start something very young, work hard at it, and enjoy it, you will be a star. I dont watch golf, but the title of your post got me to click it. Tiger and Dale Earnhart Jr. both win on Father's Day with thier inspiration no longer with them.

[theAPAOps5]

Ha! Saw it live on the T. V. I'd do illegal things to get tickets to the Masters.

Ok that makes more sense. I watched that also on TV. Couldn't believe my eyes with the line he aimed at then all of a sudden it turned. To be able to read the green and chip out of that rough was pure genius.

When I lived in Georgia I tried to get tickets once. But they were going for 3x more than my car was worth.

[Cito Pelon]

In a lot of cases, Tiger wins these tournaments going away. It's not like he winning by 1 or 2 or in a playoff normally.

I think what you are seeing is a result of the fact that Tiger is just that much better than anyone else. The disparity in the competition is a direct result of Tiger's skill set; not the lack of skill by the other players.

Dude sure has a skill set. His level of concentration is superb. He's one of the best putters I've ever seen, that 15-footer to birdie and force a playoff was just one of many bigtime putts he's made in his career. Hell, dude sank two eagle putts on the back nine on Saturday.

I'll still dispute that the disparity in competition is just because Woods is Woods. I remember a major a few years ago when there was something like 10 guys within three shots of the lead Sunday morning, and Woods shot a -3 and nobody among those other 9 really challenged him. That's poor competition.

[Cito Pelon]

I work across the street :thumbsup:

Tiger Woods is undoubtedly the GOAT in my opinion. I've been a big fan since he won the Masters in 97? 98? Time and time again I've seen him do things that just flat out blew me away. This was one of them, watched it live and I'll never forget it:
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The GOAT crown is a little too much right now, IMO. He's sure in competition for the crown, that's for sure. I'm wary of crowning Tiger as GOAT because I see the competition as suspect.

I also still think he's juiced. You don't see a pudgy 29 year old go to looking like Rodney Harrison in a year unless he's juicing.

[TDmvp]

The only reason I have seen people really hate/dislike Tiger is based on his race.

ok whatever Gonzo .... I'm not a Tiger fan and it has 0 to do with race ... He is a unreal golfer , and there is a few guys i really dislike like Vijay , and Sergeo , and a few Brits hehe ...but I dislike Tiger for the most part and it has 0 to do with race ... i root for him to lose most of the time , he does alot of things that wears on me if i watch him play from the looks he gives people to his truck driver mouth on cam , I'm pretty sure Tiger the person from what i hear is a GREAT guy , i heard Griffey Jr talking about Tiger like Family and lots of people white and black who hang with him say he is nothing but a joy to be around , a big cut up .... so i by no means hate Tiger ... but i'm not a fan and dislike him if he is playing anyone but a few ... i basically root for the field LOL .... and hell how could you hate Tiger for being Black ...he aint black , he's more of a Off White really to Quote eddie murphy mister robinson's neighborhood

[Sassy]

ok whatever Gonzo .... I'm not a Tiger fan and it has 0 to do with race ... He is a unreal golfer , and there is a few guys i really dislike like Vijay , and Sergeo , and a few Brits hehe ...but I dislike Tiger for the most part and it has 0 to do with race ... i root for him to lose most of the time , he does alot of things that wears on me if i watch him play from the looks he gives people to his truck driver mouth on cam , I'm pretty sure Tiger the person from what i hear is a GREAT guy , i heard Griffey Jr talking about Tiger like Family and lots of people white and black who hang with him say he is nothing but a joy to be around , a big cut up .... so i by no means hate Tiger ... but i'm not a fan and dislike him if he is playing anyone but a few ... i basically root for the field LOL .... and hell how could you hate Tiger for being Black ...he aint black , he's more of a Off White really to Quote eddie murphy mister robinson's neighborhood

:thumbs:
It also annoys me that he wears red every Sunday....Ha!

Why do we have to like Tiger just because he's a great golfer ???
...I'lll get "killed" for this...but I'm not particularily fond of Brandon Marshall the person either...but he plays for the Broncos and as a football player he's very fun to watch.

[Bronco Jamus]

You just have to be in awe of Woods.

[Bronco Jamus]

The GOAT crown is a little too much right now, IMO. He's sure in competition for the crown, that's for sure. I'm wary of crowning Tiger as GOAT because I see the competition as suspect.

I also still think he's juiced. You don't see a pudgy 29 year old go to looking like Rodney Harrison in a year unless he's juicing.

Tiger is the greatest. He's the Babe Ruth of Golf. I doubt he's juicing either.

[Hogan11]

Tiger Woods? Isn't he a CF for the Twins or something?

[SoDak Bronco]

I called in sick to work in order to watch today's final 18 playoff...should be fun

[Gcver2ver3]

I'm not pulling for him. He's darn good though, real darn good. It's hard to gauge him against the former greats because the level of competition doesn't seem to be very good. He shoots +2 in the final round and opens the door for somebody on the leaderboard to take the tourney with a good round, but nobody does that. Seldom have I seen others at the top of the board put a good score up on Sunday to win the Majors. I see this constantly.

So he's definitely the best of his generation, but if he had better competition?????

let's try and keep in mind that Tiger is dealing with obvious knee pain and swelling...yet he still guts it out...no other golfer EVER can pull off what he's doing...considering the knee i think you should cut him some slack for hooting a plus 2 in the final round...what counts is him coming thru when the chips are down...not to mention he has NEVER lost a major when leading going into the last round...who else can say that?

i also thinks its funny when people says Tiger is up against lesser competition...let me assure you that Singh, Mickelson, and Els would be giving the old time greats plenty of competition....

Tiger is the Michael Jordan of golf...he's so good it APPEARS the competition is worse when the truth is thats not the case...

the great golpers of today are in the same boat as Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Miller, Price and others...they were UNLUCKY enough to play during the career of the greatest of the great...

Tiger is the GOAT...and he would be crushing the courses of yester-year had he played during that era...

[Bronco Jamus]

I called in sick to work in order to watch today's final 18 playoff...should be fun

LOL. If I didn't have a pile of work to do I would have done the same.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Class? Yeah....temper tantrums are classy...right. As is yelling at crowd.

...but like I said...I would still like to see him pull it off tomorrow.

You clearly don't understand how difficult the crowd and photographers make it on Tiger. For the record, he yelled at Photographers for making all kinds of noise while he was trying to swing, he didn't yell at the crowd.

[Kaylore]

Mike and Sandy were on this morning whining about how people were blowing it out of proportion. While that might be true, it seems like sour grapes to me. Hasn't they guy earned it?

[rbackfactory80]

Man I watch golf every chance I get. Probably because I play it makes it more interesting. But Saturdays clutch back 9 was one of the all time great Tiger moments. Then that putt to tie that almost lipped out was amazing. He just pulls stuff out of his ass and it looks like he practiced it for years.

As for class. I think he is actually pretty classy. He is well liked in the club house and rarely do you hear bad things. I would be snapping at fans too if right in my back swing they are clicking pictures or talking on their phone it has to get old. But he doesn't do it as much as he had years past.

No you want to know who is a prick on the tour its Davis Love III. I used to go to the tournament in Hilton Head every year and he is from the Savannah area where I went to school. We followed him and he made a nice shot and we said so. He looked at us and said I know. Very shooter McGavin like.

Love is a prick big time. I actually go to Hilton Head a lot and got to play Harbour Town last year.

[jonny1]

I also still think he's juiced. You don't see a pudgy 29 year old go to looking like Rodney Harrison in a year unless he's juicing.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on this board, and that is saying alot . . . .

For one thing, Tiger has NEVER been pudgy. And if you were able to line up photos of him from every year since he has been on tour, you could see the GRADUAL growth of his body into what it is today.

All of his close friends have talked about what a workout warrior he is, that he trains as hard as any professional athlete you might want to name.

In addition, he has been very outspoken about supporting drug testing on the PGA tour, which is happening this year.

[Kaylore]

Yeah if Tiger is using Steroids, he's getting ripped off.

[OABB]

tiger woods is nothing compared to lon johnson. johnson has won 13 straight lawn dart championships all while recovering from a broken vertebrae in his back. johnson is arguably the greatest athlete of all time and is a shoe in for the lawn dart hall of fame.

[ColoradoBuff]

How can you not like Tiger especially if you are an american?

Exactly.....this is OUR tournement hence the US Open. I only root for american's in the US Open!:wave:

And Tiger is the man.....I have a couple of close friends that are pga tour caddies and they have nothing but respect for Tiger. They didn't have one bad thing to say about him.

[theAPAOps5]

Exactly.....this is OUR tournement hence the US Open. I only root for american's in the US Open!:wave:

And Tiger is the man.....I have a couple of close friends that are pga tour caddies and they have nothing but respect for Tiger. They didn't have one bad thing to say about him.

Do you only root for Brits when the British Open is played, since its their tournament. :)

Its an Open tournament which is why anyone can qualify.

[broncofan2438]

Going to be a good playoff.....to bad I'm at work

[bronco militia]

Mike and Sandy were on this morning whining about how people were blowing it out of proportion. While that might be true, it seems like sour grapes to me. Hasn't they guy earned it?

like most Colorado golf fans, they've kind of soured on Tiger because of what happened to the International

[cabronco]

Although Im a Mickelson( lefty) fan, he went into the tank early and often. Couldnt hit a fairway on Friday to save his life and it was even without his erratic driver. Anyone that watched Tiger play the back nine on Saturday and especially the 18th, new he had a helluva good chance to drop the easier put to tie up for the lead on 18 yesterday. It wasnt an easy shot , but if someone was going to sink it...it was Tiger. I cant help be in awe of his play. He makes miraculous shots. His shot to get on the green from the rough on 18 was amazing itself. Everyday he struggled on the front 9 and looked like the rest of the pak, but with a bad knee, just to light it up every day on the back 9. I cant help but pull for the guy, his skills/ competitivness & determination & mental toughness is better than any golfer I've seen.

[ColoradoBuff]

Do you only root for Brits when the British Open is played, since its their tournament. :)

Its an Open tournament which is why anyone can qualify.

I'm always Pro-American's when it comes to golf. Especially the US Open. Just the way I am. And I understand it's an Open....hence the term OPEN!:giggle: And I know anyone can qualify.

[Cito Pelon]

let's try and keep in mind that Tiger is dealing with obvious knee pain and swelling...yet he still guts it out...no other golfer EVER can pull off what he's doing...considering the knee i think you should cut him some slack for hooting a plus 2 in the final round...what counts is him coming thru when the chips are down...not to mention he has NEVER lost a major when leading going into the last round...who else can say that?

i also thinks its funny when people says Tiger is up against lesser competition...let me assure you that Singh, Mickelson, and Els would be giving the old time greats plenty of competition....

Tiger is the Michael Jordan of golf...he's so good it APPEARS the competition is worse when the truth is thats not the case...

the great golpers of today are in the same boat as Ewing, Barkley, Malone, Miller, Price and others...they were UNLUCKY enough to play during the career of the greatest of the great...

Tiger is the GOAT...and he would be crushing the courses of yester-year had he played during that era...

Like I said, the guys that are close Sunday morning don't mount a challenge.

[azbroncfan]

So he's definitely the best of his generation, but if he had better competition?????


That is an interesting comment since any player in the field can win a tournament nowdays unlike 20 years ago or so. The competition has never been better.

[Dutch]

Exactly.....this is OUR tournement hence the US Open. I only root for american's in the US Open!:wave:

And Tiger is the man.....I have a couple of close friends that are pga tour caddies and they have nothing but respect for Tiger. They didn't have one bad thing to say about him.

I think Rocco is a great guy and would love to see him win one of the biggies.That said, if Tiger wins this one...twenty years from now they will still be showing the highlights of it and calling it one of his finest Major victories due to the knee. Can you imagine what this does to the other top guys when they know how bad he is hurting and he still does this to them, Ouch! One quick note on Tiger's character. Buick was one f the first companies to sponsor Tiger. Once he made it big and his contract with them was up, he was being courted by all the big auto manufacturers. He re-upped with Buick, and committed to the Buick Open long term as well. Class guy.

[Houshyamama]

The GOAT crown is a little too much right now, IMO. He's sure in competition for the crown, that's for sure. I'm wary of crowning Tiger as GOAT because I see the competition as suspect.

I also still think he's juiced. You don't see a pudgy 29 year old go to looking like Rodney Harrison in a year unless he's juicing.

I've heard the competition argument before, but I don't buy it one bit. The talent pool for golfers now is so much larger than in Nicklaus' day. Tiger is just that much better than all the rest.

You put Tiger and Nicklaus in the same era, Tiger wins more majors.

[bombquixote]

How can you not like Tiger especially if you are an american?

Yeah, why do you hate America so much?

It's not like Rocco's American or anything.

[BMF Bronco]

Tiger two strokes up at the turn! WOOHOO!!!!

[CBF1]

Stop it BMF. you are going to ruin Sassy's day :)

[bpc]

This should be nominated for worst thread title ever.

Tiger is amazing. All that don't appreciate him are the same one's that rooted for Michael Jordan to lose. Enjoy the greatness while he's around. The only thing I wish is that Denver had somebody as clutch as him on their football team.

[Inkana7]

This should be nominated for worst thread title ever.

Tiger is amazing. All that don't appreciate him are the same one's that rooted for Michael Jordan to lose. Enjoy the greatness while he's around. The only thing I wish is that Denver had somebody as clutch as him on their football team.

But...but..he has a potty mouth!

[Doggcow]

This should be nominated for worst thread title ever.

Tiger is amazing. All that don't appreciate him are the same one's that rooted for Michael Jordan to lose. Enjoy the greatness while he's around. The only thing I wish is that Denver had somebody as clutch as him on their football team.

Eddie "Casino" Royal

[BMF Bronco]

****, all tied up after 14

[davidtkd]

Rocco up 1 after 15.

[Taco John]

The thing I don't like about Tiger is that he's a whiner. I hate watching him miss a big put, and then gesture like it's the fault of the ball or the green that he didn't make the putt. I like watching him play, to be certain, but his maturity seems to have been arrested in development at times. I'd like to see him deal with failure in a way that respects his competition out there.

[BMF Bronco]

uh oh

[davidtkd]

The thing I don't like about Tiger is that he's a whiner. I hate watching him miss a big put, and then gesture like it's the fault of the ball or the green that he didn't make the putt. I like watching him play, to be certain, but his maturity seems to have been arrested in development at times. I'd like to see him deal with failure in a way that respects his competition out there.

You see it as whining. I see it as going for something amazing on every shot.

I'd be a whiner too if had the balls to strive for perfection at what it was I did and didn't accept 'good'. Not just against the competition, but against himself. How many of us do that? In anything?

[davidtkd]

uh oh

Uh oh is right. But Rocco is playing lights out.

[BMF Bronco]

hell yes he is!

[Taco John]

You see it as whining. I see it as going for something amazing on every shot.

I'd be a whiner too if had the balls to strive for perfection at what it was I did and didn't accept 'good'. Not just against the competition, but against himself. How many of us do that? In anything?


I definitely see it as whining. I'm not certain what his whining has to do with his balls. Maybe his undies are too tight, and that's what causes his little tantrums. Whatever it is, everytime I see it, I wonder to myself "why do I like this guy? What a whiner."

[davidtkd]

Wow BMF, what do you think?

[24champ]

Rocco lands at the Beach...should get interesting real quick.

[davidtkd]

no doubt. And Tiger puts it right down the middle. Hard to root against either guy.

[24champ]

I'm just enjoying the show...just great golf. Don't matter who wins IMO.

[davidtkd]

agreed

[davidtkd]

Well, so much for getting any work done today.

[24champ]

Rocco misses it...Tiger still alive.

[BMF Bronco]

wow, this is intense!!!

[24champ]

WOW! I thought that damn Sea Gull ruined it. Tiger ties it up!

[davidtkd]

wow, just wow.

[bpc]

I definitely see it as whining. I'm not certain what his whining has to do with his balls. Maybe his undies are too tight, and that's what causes his little tantrums. Whatever it is, everytime I see it, I wonder to myself "why do I like this guy? What a whiner."

Your explanation of his gestures are highly overated. No different than any great players striving to do their best.

I would venture to say that you have to mentally tougher in golf than almost any other sport.

Stop drinking the punch Sassy has been sipping on. Tiger is great.

18th hole, tiger hits the birdie he needs to take it another overtime. All of this on a bad leg. Give the man some credit.

[24champ]

Sudden Death...fitting way to end the tourney.

[davidtkd]

Great golf, just great golf.

[Taco John]

Your explanation of his gestures are highly overated. No different than any great players striving to do their best.

I would venture to say that you have to mentally tougher in golf than almost any other sport.

Stop drinking the punch Sassy has been sipping on. Tiger is great.

18th hole, tiger hits the birdie he needs to take it another overtime. All of this on a bad leg. Give the man some credit.


I never said Tiger wasn't great. I said his maturity level seems to have found some arrested development. His golf game is second to none. His whining act is up there too.

[Inkana7]

I never said Tiger wasn't great. I said his maturity level seems to have found some arrested development. His golf game is second to none. His whining act is up there too.

http://sportsreport.freedomblogging.com/files/2007/12/rivers1214.jpg

[24champ]

Rocco in the sand again. Unfortunate shot.

[davidtkd]

Rocco in the bunker.

[davidtkd]

wow, that shot might be ball game.

[24champ]

That appears to be it...Tiger should seal it here at the 7th.

[davidtkd]

to do this two weeks after surgery? Are you kidding me? Flat out stud. 'Whining' and all.

[BroncosinDC]

The satellite just went out...sweet.

[davidtkd]

Tiger puts. and it's short by 2 inches.

[davidtkd]

Rocco's putt is just long and Tiger wins. UNREAL!!!

[bpc]

the guy is nails in the clutch. amazing.

[BMF Bronco]

woohoo!

[bowtown]

to do this two weeks after surgery? Are you kidding me? Flat out stud. 'Whining' and all.

Ummm.... except he did it 2 months after surgery... a surgery that basketball players and football players get all the time and then play 3 weeks later without limping around the court or field wincing in agony after every play. Tiger is for sure the GOAT, but TJ is right that he is a whiner and a drama queen.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I think "whiner" and "drama queen" is a tad harsh

[Gcver2ver3]

Tiger does it again...

never has he lost a major when leading after 3...

he hits clutch puts and shots as if they're commonplace...

he's so mentally tough it's disgusting...

[Kaylore]

That's what's most impressive. He never loses when he's leading. He never falls behind. There are times he struggles and comes back or just struggles and loses. However when he's on, he never breaks off. Ever.

[Bronco Jamus]

Congrats Tiger. This is a historical win. Congrats to Rocco as well. What a run.

[Sassy]

Originally Posted by bpc
Your explanation of his gestures are highly overated. No different than any great players striving to do their best.

I would venture to say that you have to mentally tougher in golf than almost any other sport.

Stop drinking the punch Sassy has been sipping on. Tiger is great.

I never said he wasnt a great golfer. I just dislike him.
Why do we have to like all the great athletes?

[24champ]

Yup...what an a-hole Tiger is. :rofl:

On Rocco, "You don't realize how much of a competitor he is. ... When he's healthy, he's a helluva player."

-Tiger Woods.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080616/capt.2e60f7a35bce422a8cb319cb36f70046.us_open_golf _tor132.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/4c/fullj.a972ac9d9a719b0e6e32705a9e3763ae/a972ac9d9a719b0e6e32705a9e3763ae-getty-81585729tl080_u_s_open_cham.jpg

[Houshyamama]

I get tired of all the complaining regarding him showing emotion on the course. So he tossed a club, big deal. These are men here we're talking about, not statues.
If you want to play the game that way, so be it. But most golfers, myself included, get frustrated and show it. Get over it.

[Taco John]

Tiger is a fantastic golfer. I enjoy watching him golf. I enjoy watching him win.

I don't enjoy watching him whine. If that makes me a bad guy, oh well.

I expect that he'll someday grow out of it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I never said Tiger wasn't great. I said his maturity level seems to have found some arrested development. His golf game is second to none. His whining act is up there too.Geeeezus, the guy is pretty much the definition of class and his ego is definitely in check. And he has no "whining" act. You must not know the game nor watch very much of it.

[Houshyamama]

Tiger is a fantastic golfer. I enjoy watching him golf. I enjoy watching him win.

I don't enjoy watching him whine. If that makes me a bad guy, oh well.

I expect that he'll someday grow out of it.

Here's the way I've always seen it:

Golf is a game against yourself. Not the course or the other golfers, but against your own head. When he shows that emotion, when I do, it is frustration with one's self. He's not blaming the fans or the ****ty lie of his ball, he blames himself. That is what makes him Tiger. He has been his whole life more-or-less peerless. He has to create something to compete with. Most of that time it is himself. I hope he never grows out of that emotion, because if he did you wouldn't be seeing him fist pump after a huge put.

[SoDak Bronco]

Here's the way I've always seen it:

Golf is a game against yourself. Not the course or the other golfers, but against your own head. When he shows that emotion, when I do, it is frustration with one's self. He's not blaming the fans or the ****ty lie of his ball, he blames himself. That is what makes him Tiger. He has been his whole life more-or-less peerless. He has to create something to compete with. Most of that time it is himself. I hope he never grows out of that emotion, because if he did you wouldn't be seeing him fist pump after a huge put.

REP couldn't agree more...Golf is a game full of emotions...to say he whines is comical, because then everyone whines....are you serious?? he gets on himself if he makes a bad swing, but its not like he's complaining to the refs or something...totally different.

[azbroncfan]

Yeah, why do you hate America so much?

It's not like Rocco's American or anything.

Where did I say anything about Rocco? I was just saying how can you hate Tiger and he is the only thing that the US has right now in major sports that aren't track that dominates the rest of the world.

[REB]

Great match!


And yes I think Tiger needs to remember that golf has always been a gentlemen's game so chill on the tantrums and have some composure.

[bpc]

Yup...what an a-hole Tiger is. :rofl:

On Rocco, "You don't realize how much of a competitor he is. ... When he's healthy, he's a helluva player."

-Tiger Woods.

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080616/capt.2e60f7a35bce422a8cb319cb36f70046.us_open_golf _tor132.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/4c/fullj.a972ac9d9a719b0e6e32705a9e3763ae/a972ac9d9a719b0e6e32705a9e3763ae-getty-81585729tl080_u_s_open_cham.jpg

Look at those pics, what a whiner and a spoiled brat.

[Atwater His Ass]

Geeeezus, the guy is pretty much the definition of class and his ego is definitely in check. And he has no "whining" act. You must not know the game nor watch very much of it.

:thumbsup:

[Bronco Jamus]

He does lose his temper on the course from time to time, but that's golf

[Sassy]

Geeze guys...just because someone is good at the game it means we can't dislike him and it gives them a right to have a fit every once in awhile? I just don't agree with that. With Tiger or anyone for that matter.

[Hogan11]

Wow...you mean Tiger Woods isn't a CFer for the Twins? ???

[Houshyamama]

Geeze guys...just because someone is good at the game it means we can't dislike him and it gives them a right to have a fit every once in awhile? I just don't agree with that. With Tiger or anyone for that matter.

Not at all, doesn't matter to me if you like him or not. I just don't see it as a 'fit'. Not even close.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Geeze guys...just because someone is good at the game it means we can't dislike him and it gives them a right to have a fit every once in awhile? I just don't agree with that. With Tiger or anyone for that matter.He doesn't throw "fits", he cusses himself occasionally, comments to himself on his shots and shows disgust when he isn't playing up to his standards. He never disses anyone else, always has high praise for his competitors and is class all the way. I guess some people that don't play the game might not understand what it is to challenge yourself this way.

[nickademus]

The thing here that cracks me up is All of you Bitching about tiger and how he is a whiner or he has a bad attitude but in the end there are 5 pages about Golf on a football forum. Tiger is the best thing that ever happend to this sport and to say that he has no class is just wrong. He shows emotion on the coruse but when fuzzy zeller is dropping fried chicken and collered greens bombs on sportscenter Tiger was all class. and as far as his knee goes what I saw was reporters asking him over and over again about it and him answering yes or no and that was basically it I am not sure how you call that whining.

I dont even like tiger but as a former asst. pro I respect his game and I love to watch him and believe I was pulling for Rocco the whole way.

[Paladin]

Let me get this straight: people don't "like" Tiger based on what they believe happened in a televised moment in which he expressed personal frustration? How do you know if you "like" him or not unless you've personally met him? You should have dinner with him sometime.

You're right, You probably aren't in his class.

The man has serious Golfing skills. He has made more money than anyone in the game. He makes more money than any athlete out there (and he earns it through his play. The ultimate "Pay for Performance" deal, right?)

Jeez.....


O-Kay. Moving on.........

[Sassy]

Let me get this straight: people don't "like" Tiger based on what they believe happened in a televised moment in which he expressed personal frustration? How do you know if you "like" him or not unless you've personally met him? You should have dinner with him sometime.

You're right, You probably aren't in his class.

The man has serious Golfing skills. He has made more money than anyone in the game. He makes more money than any athlete out there (and he earns it through his play. The ultimate "Pay for Performance" deal, right?)

Jeez.....


O-Kay. Moving on.........

That's a great point and one I tried to make when discussing Brandon Marshall...but nobody bought it! LOL!

The man has serious Golfing skills. He has made more money than anyone in the game. He makes more money than any athlete out there (and he earns it through his play. The ultimate "Pay for Performance" deal, right?)

So yeah...this is a good enough reason to like someone? You like how he plays golf, you like his skill, but that doesn't mean you like the person?

[Hogan11]

That's right, you have to have met and have had dinner with the person in order to know whether or not you truly like him or not.....keep that in mind the next time any of you discuss Al Davis ::)

Talk about lame, that reasoning takes the friggin' cake, these are public figures we're talking about.

[24champ]

That's a great point and one I tried to make when discussing Brandon Marshall...but nobody bought it! LOL!

The man has serious Golfing skills. He has made more money than anyone in the game. He makes more money than any athlete out there (and he earns it through his play. The ultimate "Pay for Performance" deal, right?)

So yeah...this is a good enough reason to like someone? You like how he plays golf, you like his skill, but that doesn't mean you like the person?

You need to drink some G2 or Tiger.

http://www.lawrencegee.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tiger2.jpg

[Taco John]

The thing here that cracks me up is All of you b****ing about tiger and how he is a whiner or he has a bad attitude but in the end there are 5 pages about Golf on a football forum. Tiger is the best thing that ever happend to this sport and to say that he has no class is just wrong. He shows emotion on the coruse but when fuzzy zeller is dropping fried chicken and collered greens bombs on sportscenter Tiger was all class. and as far as his knee goes what I saw was reporters asking him over and over again about it and him answering yes or no and that was basically it I am not sure how you call that whining.

I dont even like tiger but as a former asst. pro I respect his game and I love to watch him and believe I was pulling for Rocco the whole way.



Hmph... Well, I was pulling for Tiger. And I was talking to my TV telling him to shut up when he'd start in on a tantrum.

I am amused by the cultish fascination that people have over him though. It's funny to me that I can't criticize him him without getting pictures of him holding a baby thrown in my face. Apparently holding a baby for a picture has the magical ability of erasing tantrums from people's minds. My favorite was when Beerslug said that I must not play much golf since Tiger's tantrums turned me off. Whatever it is I do every Sunday morning for my weekly 7:00am tee time, it is sure golf-like. (though even I would hesitate to actually call it golf.)

Tiger's a great golfer. And when he wins, he's a great sport. But sometimes, whether his adoring fans want to admit it or not, he throws a fit. Is he entitled? Sure. But nowhere in the "golf fan handbook" does it say that I have to like it. A lot of people like that sort of thing. I like a stoic athelete who doesn't get too high, or too low and maintains their composure win or lose. That's just my preference. I understand that a lot of people like to see their athletes wearing their hearts on their sleeves. Some guys pull it off nicely. Most that do, though, don't pull it off nicely.

When Tiger sits there after a putt with his arm outstretched and facing upward, jawing at the green like it should have delivered him that shot, I find it pretty ridiculous. I mean, it's a fricken green. What does he want from it? That sort of thing turns me off.

[Kaylore]

Apparently holding a baby for a picture has the magical ability of erasing tantrums from people's minds.
ROFL! LOL
http://blackcelebritykids.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/barry-bonds-and-family1.jpg

All is forgiven.

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Roger-Clemens.jpg

What steroids?

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3614/joeeg2.jpg
Look at that baby. What a cool, easy-going guy!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

My favorite was when Beerslug said that I must not play much golf since Tiger's tantrums turned me off. Whatever it is I do every Sunday morning for my weekly 7:00am tee time, it is sure golf-like. (though even I would hesitate to actually call it golf.)

When Tiger sits there after a putt with his arm outstretched and facing upward, jawing at the green like it should have delivered him that shot, I find it pretty ridiculous. I mean, it's a fricken green. What does he want from it? That sort of thing turns me off.A weekend hacker pretty much qualifies as not playing much golf. And what you find ridiculous is golf, challenging yourself to do the best you can. A lot of people here are, were athletes when they were younger and have that competitive drive and do understand why Tiger shows disappointment on the course.
Many pro golfers have "fits" (your description), always have, always will, they just aren't TV near as much as Tiger is.

It's obvious Tiger wants it (to win, to be the best) more than anyone else out there.

[ElwayMD]

I was pulling for Rocco for a number of reasons. One he's a Western PA boy (i grew up in Western PA). Two, his attitude is just the best on tour. He looks like he is having fun from the first round to the last. Even in the most pressure packed moments he was smiling and telling jokes. He truly understands how lucky he is to be playing a game for a living and shows it in how he acts on and off the course.

I had the pleasure of going to the US Open at Pinehurst the year Michael Campbell won and I don't know how many occasions I saw a golfer telling off a gallery member because they had the gall to cheer for him. I was right next to an Ernie Els fan when he was told to "F*** off" because he dared to clap and say go Ernie as he walked past. I know the game is full of pressure and the need to concentrate is important but at least keep it inside if you are bothered. These people paid hundreds of dollars to watch you hit a ball...be grateful someone will actually do that.

[Taco John]

A weekend hacker pretty much qualifies as not playing much golf. And what you find ridiculous is golf, challenging yourself to do the best you can. A lot of people here are, were athletes when they were younger and have that competitive drive and do understand why Tiger shows disappointment on the course.
Many pro golfers have "fits" (your description), always have, always will, they just aren't TV near as much as Tiger is.

It's obvious Tiger wants it (to win, to be the best) more than anyone else out there.


:rofl:

Good grief. We've gone from "Tiger doesn't throw fits," to "every athlete throws fits, and anyone who doesn't fawn over Tiger's fits doesn't like golf." Oh yeah, and playing golf once or twice a week doesn't actually qualify as playing much golf. ::)

I can't roll my eyes back into my head far enough to convey just how stupid and petty you are coming across.

I've played sports all my life. I'm pretty sure that I don't have to like tantrums in order to appreciate *any* sport or athelete.

[24champ]

I find it funny people get their panties in a wad over a picture of Tiger holding his baby...clearly they didn't watch the postgame interview where he talked about this being a very special weekend because his father isn't here anymore and that it was special because it was the first time his Daughter was there. Plus needless to say, it was father's day weekend.

People have standards that no athlete is going to reach. Have to dislike a player because he "jaws at the green" is quite comical. I've seen way worse from other players on the tour...but each to his/her own.

[Taco John]

I find it funny people get their panties in a wad over a picture of Tiger holding his baby...clearly they didn't watch the postgame interview where he talked about this being a very special weekend because his father isn't here anymore and that it was special because it was the first time his Daughter was there. Plus needless to say, it was father's day weekend.

People have standards that no athlete is going to reach. Have to dislike a player because he "jaws at the green" is quite comical. I've seen way worse from other players on the tour...but each to his/her own.


Panties in a wad? As far as I can tell, the only people in this thread whose panties are in a wad are the Tiger worshippers who are beside themselves over the idea that some people might not enjoy his tantrums. I don't think anyone had any criticism whatsoever about him holding his baby, or the nice post-tournament interview. None of that has anything to do with this discussion, actually.

[enjolras]

Put me in the camp of: I have no idea how one can dislike Tiger. He's complete class.

I've never seen him throw a 'fit'. I've seen him get frustrated. I've seen him slam a club. But that's about it. I've also seen very VERY little of that in the last several years. He's matured as a person and as a golfer...

I wish every athlete would live up to the standards of class that Tiger sets. Sports would be a much better place if they did.

[BMF Bronco]

Panties in a wad? As far as I can tell, the only people in this thread whose panties are in a wad are the Tiger worshippers who are beside themselves over the idea that some people might not enjoy his tantrums. I don't think anyone had any criticism whatsoever about him holding his baby, or the nice post-tournament interview. None of that has anything to do with this discussion, actually.

Who do you cheer for on the links Taco?

[24champ]

Panties in a wad? As far as I can tell, the only people in this thread whose panties are in a wad are the Tiger worshippers who are beside themselves over the idea that some people might not enjoy his tantrums. I don't think anyone had any criticism whatsoever about him holding his baby, or the nice post-tournament interview. None of that has anything to do with this discussion, actually.

Actually it is relevant to the discussion Taco...this is a US Open thread last I checked. Like I said, if you find it to be a flaw in a player for "jawing at the green" thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. Most people that watch and enjoy golf would disagree.

Call them/me worshippers all you want. I'm not the one that is president of the Peyton Manning fan club, who by the way has the same demeanor as Tiger.

[Houshyamama]

Hmph... Well, I was pulling for Tiger. And I was talking to my TV telling him to shut up when he'd start in on a tantrum.

I am amused by the cultish fascination that people have over him though. It's funny to me that I can't criticize him him without getting pictures of him holding a baby thrown in my face. Apparently holding a baby for a picture has the magical ability of erasing tantrums from people's minds. My favorite was when Beerslug said that I must not play much golf since Tiger's tantrums turned me off. Whatever it is I do every Sunday morning for my weekly 7:00am tee time, it is sure golf-like. (though even I would hesitate to actually call it golf.)

Tiger's a great golfer. And when he wins, he's a great sport. But sometimes, whether his adoring fans want to admit it or not, he throws a fit. Is he entitled? Sure. But nowhere in the "golf fan handbook" does it say that I have to like it. A lot of people like that sort of thing. I like a stoic athelete who doesn't get too high, or too low and maintains their composure win or lose. That's just my preference. I understand that a lot of people like to see their athletes wearing their hearts on their sleeves. Some guys pull it off nicely. Most that do, though, don't pull it off nicely.

When Tiger sits there after a putt with his arm outstretched and facing upward, jawing at the green like it should have delivered him that shot, I find it pretty ridiculous. I mean, it's a fricken green. What does he want from it? That sort of thing turns me off.

I guess it's just a personal thing then. I have no problem with the show of emotion. If you see it as a weakness, that's your prerogative. I see it as one of his greatest strengths.

[nickademus]

I was pulling for Rocco for a number of reasons. One he's a Western PA boy (i grew up in Western PA). Two, his attitude is just the best on tour. He looks like he is having fun from the first round to the last. Even in the most pressure packed moments he was smiling and telling jokes. He truly understands how lucky he is to be playing a game for a living and shows it in how he acts on and off the course.

I had the pleasure of going to the US Open at Pinehurst the year Michael Campbell won and I don't know how many occasions I saw a golfer telling off a gallery member because they had the gall to cheer for him. I was right next to an Ernie Els fan when he was told to "**** off" because he dared to clap and say go Ernie as he walked past. I know the game is full of pressure and the need to concentrate is important but at least keep it inside if you are bothered. These people paid hundreds of dollars to watch you hit a ball...be grateful someone will actually do that.
I was there too! a good friend of mine was an asst. there and is now the tournament director for Pinehurst. But back to the point what most of these guys dont get is that Tiger is fairly composed alot of the pros are real jerks and see the fans as a total nuisance there are some that are fairly gracious and can appriecate that the fans are the ones who make the big purses possible. I guess the point I was trying to make was I dont care if a golfer is yelling at himself or his ball or the tree he just hit as I do the same thing regularly and as far as getting upset with the gallery Tiger only seems to do that when his swing is interrupted (and seriously he can stop a swing better than anyone I have ever seen), and I really dont have a problem with that either but there are some unwriten rules about golf ediquette that the "get in the hole" crowd doesnt seem to know, or care about and that is a shame.

[Taco John]

Who do you cheer for on the links Taco?


Tiger mostly, but really, whoever is playing. I watch it for the sport, not the personalities. I like to see good golf, regardless of who is holding the club.

[Bronco Jamus]

So I have heard people call this the best US Open ever. It was great, but hands down the best has to be the 1913 US Open, when a 20 year-old amateur beat Harry Vardon in an 18 hole playoff after 4 rounds.

Do you ever over-lap your hands when you grip a club? Vardon invented that. He also developed the one of the precursors to the modern golf ball


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Vardon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Ouimet

You can also see this story in the Disney Movie: The Greatest Game Ever Played

[Bronco_Beerslug]

:rofl:

Good grief. We've gone from "Tiger doesn't throw fits," to "every athlete throws fits, and anyone who doesn't fawn over Tiger's fits doesn't like golf." Your term not mine or many others here, that's why the word was quoted in case you missed it..

Oh yeah, and playing golf once or twice a week doesn't actually qualify as playing much golf. ::)Ah, so now it's "or twice a week" instead of every Sunday AM. And no, hacking around the course once a week isn't playing much golf, that's pretty obvious.

I can't roll my eyes back into my head far enough to convey just how stupid and petty you are coming across. Actually, you are the one in this thread that is looking pretty silly with your "Tiger is a baby" commentary.

I've played sports all my life. I'm pretty sure that I don't have to like tantrums in order to appreciate *any* sport or athelete.So now he throws "tantrums"? I think you must be a little confused on the definition of certain words. 'Exaggeration' would be a good one to
look up to start with.

[Cito Pelon]

I think Rocco is a great guy and would love to see him win one of the biggies.That said, if Tiger wins this one...twenty years from now they will still be showing the highlights of it and calling it one of his finest Major victories due to the knee. Can you imagine what this does to the other top guys when they know how bad he is hurting and he still does this to them, Ouch! One quick note on Tiger's character. Buick was one f the first companies to sponsor Tiger. Once he made it big and his contract with them was up, he was being courted by all the big auto manufacturers. He re-upped with Buick, and committed to the Buick Open long term as well. Class guy.

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.

[Bronco Jamus]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.

His knee was hurting very badly. It was worse off the tee box. He snaps his left knee when he releases near contact. He literally winced everytime. So yes, his knee was hurting very badly.

[Atwater His Ass]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.

So you're calling Tiger a liar and dramaqueen then?

[ElwayMD]

It was just nice to see someone actually fight back when Tiger was about to step on his neck. If we could bottle what Rocco had during his final rounds we might have more competitive majors.

[Bronco Jamus]

It was just nice to see someone actually fight back when Tiger was about to step on his neck. If we could bottle what Rocco had during his final rounds we might have more competitive majors.

The Majors are very competitive. And Tiger has gotten beaten more than he's won in this majors over the past couple of seasons. He's always in the mix though.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Tiger is done for the year with another knee surgery. No need to whine over his tantrums any further.

[azbroncfan]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.

Looks like you stuck your foot in your mouth since he was playing with a stress fracture.

[enjolras]

Looks like you stuck your foot in your mouth since he was playing with a stress fracture.

And apparently some type of ACL issue:

http://www.tigerwoods.com

[CBF1]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.


Cito has won the a-hole comment/post of the year award with his post. Way to go genius.:thumbs:

[Houshyamama]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.

LOL great call

:dummy:

[Prodigal19]

Two stress fractures and a ****ed up ACL

[ColoradoBuff]

Ummm.... except he did it 2 months after surgery... a surgery that basketball players and football players get all the time and then play 3 weeks later without limping around the court or field wincing in agony after every play. Tiger is for sure the GOAT, but TJ is right that he is a whiner and a drama queen.


Classic moron! Tiger had a torn ACL and a fracture in his leg. Let's see you try to do that Captain Jackass!Hilarious! :wave: But since you are the resident know-it-all.......let's see a basketball player perform with a torn ACL and a fractured leg. Yup that's what I thought! But Tiger's nothing but a whiner and drama queen! Douchbag!:rofl:

[Houshyamama]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.


Tiger Woods to have season-ending knee surgery

By DOUG FERGUSON, AP Golf Writer

Tiger Woods is done for the year, but not without one last major that he said might have been his best ever.

Woods explained why Wednesday when he revealed he will have season-ending surgery to repair a torn ligament in his left knee that he injured 10 months ago.

He also suffered a double stress fracture of his left tibia two weeks before the U.S. Open, ignoring doctors’ advice to take six weeks off to let it heal. And he still won the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines, going 91 holes over five days on a knee that was getting worse.

“Now, it is clear that the right thing to do is to listen to my doctors, follow through with this surgery and focus my attention on rehabilitating my knee,” Woods said on his Web site.

He had arthroscopic surgery April 15 to clean out cartilage in his left knee, bypassing ACL surgery with hopes it could get him through the 2008 season. But the stress fracture and a ligament that could no longer sustain a powerful swing made it impossible to keep going.

Woods did not say when he would have surgery. His swing coach, Hank Haney, said the recovery is typically six to eight months.

“He’s been playing way less than 100 percent for a long, long, time,” Haney said. “It has limited him a lot in practice. He’s going to come back better than he’s ever been.”

Woods was last seen in public late Monday afternoon walking with a pronounced limp across Torrey Pines toward the parking lot, the U.S. Open trophy in his arms.

Upcoming surgery makes his 14th major title even more staggering—despite the stress fractures, he managed to win a U.S. Open that required five days of flinching, grimacing and a long list of spectacular shots that have defined his career.

“Although I will miss the rest of the 2008 season, I’m thrilled with the fact that last week was such a special tournament,” Woods said.

He won despite doctors telling him to rest.

Haney was with him in Florida when doctors told Woods the preferred treatment for the stress fractures was three weeks on crutches and three weeks of inactivity.

“Tiger looked at the doctor and said, ‘I’m playing in the U.S. Open, and I’m going to win.’ And then he started putting on his shoes,” Haney said. “He looked at me and said, ‘Come on, Hank. We’ll just putt today.”’

Woods’ ledger for 2008 is a career for some players.

He played only seven times worldwide and won five times, including a major that allowed him to join Jack Nicklaus as the only players to capture the career Grand Slam three times over.

But he will miss a major for the first time in his career—the British Open next month at Royal Birkdale and the PGA Championship in August at Oakland Hills, where Woods is the two-time defending champion.

“Tiger is an enormous attraction, there’s no denying that,” Royal & Ancient chief executive Peter Dawson said. “But the Open Championship has had many exciting finishes which Tiger has not been part of, and I’m sure there will be more. It’s very sad. We’re very sorry that he’s succumbed to the injury and he won’t be competing in the Open.

“We hope he has the speediest recovery.”
In this June 13, 2008 file photo, Tiger Woods grimaces after hitting from the rough on the first fairway during the second round of the US Open championship at Torrey Pines Golf Course in San Diego. Woods will miss the rest of the season because of a left knee that will require more surgery, a person with knowledge of the decision said Wednesday June 18, 2008.

Woods also will miss the Ryder Cup in September, meaning the ninth player on the U.S. standings will qualify for the team.

The majors won’t miss Woods nearly as much as the PGA Tour, especially with its second year of the FedEx Cup that Woods won in a landslide a year ago.

“Tiger is our tour,” Kenny Perry said from the Travelers Championship. “When you lose your star player, it definitely hurts.”

The PGA Tour said in a statement that its concern—as it would be for any player—is for Woods’ health and well being, both on and off the golf course.

“We wish him the best toward a speedy recovery,” the statement said.

It will be the third surgery in five years on his left knee, although Woods said doctors have assured him the outlook is positive. When asked Monday if he further damaged his knee by playing in the U.S. Open, Woods said, “Maybe.”

Doctors have told him, however, that the stress fractures will heal with time.
In this June 11, 2008 file photo, Tiger Woods watches his shot on the driving range during practice for the US Open at Torrey Pines Golf Course in San Diego. Woods will miss the rest of the season because of a left knee that will require more surgery, a person with knowledge of the decision said

Woods is ultra private with his health and personal life, never more so than at the U.S. Open. He never mentioned the torn ACL or the stress fracture, and wouldn’t say how he was treating it, only that it was more sore as the week went on.

Perhaps the biggest surprise was when the injury first happened.

Woods said he tore the ACL while jogging at home after the British Open last July. He chose not to have surgery and went on a run that included seven consecutive victories, including the Dubai Desert Classic in Europe and his Target World Challenge, an unofficial event.

He did not play overseas late last year for the first time since 2003, hopeful that rest could allow him to play more this year. But the pain intensified through the Masters, where he finished second, and Woods said the cartilage damage developed from the ACL injury.

What he didn’t anticipate were the stress fractures, discovered as he tried to get ready to play in the Memorial.

“The stress fractures that were discovered just prior to the tournament unfortunately prevented me from participating and had a huge impact on the timing for my return,” Woods said. “I was determined though, to do everything and anything in my power to play in the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines, which is a course that is close to where I grew up and holds many special memories for me.”

Woods won for the eighth time at the public golf course in San Diego—a U.S. Open, a record six times at the Buick Invitational, and a Junior World Championship as a teenager.

[ElwayMD]

The Majors are very competitive. And Tiger has gotten beaten more than he's won in this majors over the past couple of seasons. He's always in the mix though.

Meant to say a major Tiger has won...i can count one or two where he was actually been pressured to make a clutch shot...usually he just has to play his defensive golf game on day 4.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If his knee was hurting him he wouldn't be squatting down to eye every putt. His knee was not hurting. He walked 7 miles a day for 5 days straight and squatted down for every putt, so please, don't add to this urban legend 'his knee was hurting' baloney.He needs major knee reconstructive surgery and he suffered a double stress fracture in his left leg two weeks before the U.S. Open.

Sounds like one hell of an effort to me.

Hank Haney, his swing coach, was with him in Florida when doctors told Woods the preferred treatment was three weeks on crutches, followed by three weeks of rest.

According to Haney, Woods looked at the doctor and said: "I'm playing the U.S. Open, and I'm going to win."

"And then he started putting on his shoes," Haney recalled. "He looked at me and said, 'Come on, Hank. We'll just putt today.' Every night, I kept thinking there was no chance he's going to play. He had to stop in his tracks for 30 seconds walking from the dining room table to the refrigerator.

"He was not going to miss the U.S. Open at Torrey Pines. There just wasn't any discussion."

[Atwater His Ass]

I only hope by putting off surgery, he didn't hurt himself worse. I personally can't believe he played in that condition and won, not to mention the extra 19 holes. Just wow.

[OABB]

i wonder how he would of fared if he played an actual sport and not a leisure activity.

[Atwater His Ass]

i wonder how he would of fared if he played an actual sport and not a leisure activity.

bob, that you?

obvious troll is obvious

[chaz]

Some of Europe's top players have backed Tiger Woods after Retief Goosen questioned the severity of the injury he played with in winning the US Open.
The South African suggested Woods, who had a third operation on his left knee in April, could have been faking.
But Woods's announcement on Wednesday that he will miss the rest of the season to have surgery back up claims that players heard noises from his leg.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/7460588.stm


retief is retarded, and tiger is a badass....not one ****er around here should be giving tiger **** or questioning his toughness. Everyone in the NFL got on their knees for Rivers playing on a torn ACL for one game...while Tiger played on it for months and won over and over again....then has a double stress fracture of the tibia (aka weight-bearing leg bone) and still competes and wins. get over yourselves and stop trying to find flaws in the guy simply because he's the best at what he does

[Hogan11]

Golf doesn't impress me and athletes play their sports injured all the time....I see no reason to be in awe of it or to kiss his ass.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

i wonder how he would of fared if he played an actual sport and not a leisure activity.Let me guess your handicap.............72?

[Bronco Jamus]

Golf doesn't impress me and athletes play their sports injured all the time....I see no reason to be in awe of it or to kiss his ass.

You're crazy. Get out and play. If you shoot under 100 by the rules I'll send you a case of beer.

[Hogan11]

You're crazy. Get out and play. If you shoot under 100 by the rules I'll send you a case of beer.

My brother is "one of them" (meaning a golf addict) I piss him off continously by saying I'm not old enough to be playing golf yet and asking if the golfers he mentions play positions for MLB/NFL/NHL teams Ha! Really though, I've hit a golf ball maybe three or four times in my life and two of them was when I was seeing triple....it didn't do a damn thing for me at all and trying to watch it on TV (again, forced to do so by the resident addict) when you're not into it one iota is downright painful. To me, it's like NASCAR...you're either into it or you're not and I'm just not impressed by either sport nor it's participants.

[watermock]

But Paul Casey said that Robert Karlsson's caddie heard Woods's knee creaking. "He was right there and clearly he was suffering," said Casey. "Noises from the knee doesn't sound good to me."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

My brother is "one of them" (meaning a golf addict) I piss him off continously by saying I'm not old enough to be playing golf yet and asking if the golfers he mentions play positions for MLB/NFL/NHL teams Ha! Really though, I've hit a golf ball maybe three or four times in my life and two of them was when I was seeing triple....it didn't do a damn thing for me at all and trying to watch it on TV (again, forced to do so by the resident addict) when you're not into it one iota is downright painful. To me, it's like NASCAR...you're either into it or you're not and I'm just not impressed by either sport nor it's participants.The difference is most people can try and play golf where racing is prohibitive (for most people :wiggle: . I think most people believe that anyone can hit the ball until they actually try it and then discover it's not quite as easy as it looks, in fact, it's pretty damn hard. It's just a way (a game) to challenge yourself, some people like that, some don't care to.

There are many pro athletes that are hooked on it though.

[Hogan11]

The difference is most people can try and play golf where racing is prohibitive (for most people :wiggle: . I think most people believe that anyone can hit the ball until they actually try it and then discover it's not quite as easy as it looks, in fact, it's pretty damn hard. It's just a way (a game) to challenge yourself, some people like that, some don't care to.

I don't buy this notion that if you're not into golf, you don't like to "challenge yourself". There are many ways and games to challenge yourself with other than golf.

There are many pro athletes that are hooked on it though.

and that's fine....but it doesn't mean that I have to be.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't buy this notion that if you're not into golf, you don't like to "challenge yourself". There are many ways and games to challenge yourself with other than golf. That may be but not many that are outside, in a beautiful setting, have a ball and you have to hit it right on to make it work.

and that's fine....but it doesn't mean that I have to be.Just a point that many "real" athletes want to play like the pros.

[24champ]

If you don't like golf, then what are you doing in this thread Hogan?

[Hogan11]

Just a point that many "real" athletes want to play like the pros.

or that they want a low impact sport they can play once they retire.

If you don't like golf, then what are you doing in this thread Hogan?

Last I knew, there are no posting restrictions that state you cannot post in a thread that pertains to something you don't like. Certain reactions to posts goaded my responses anyways, not so much the sport itself.

[Sassy]

or that they want a low impact sport they can play once they retire.



Last I knew, there are no posting restrictions that state you cannot post in a thread that pertains to something you don't like. Certain reactions to posts goaded my responses anyways, not so much the sport itself.

Hey, I don't really care for golf and I dislike Tiger....hmmm was I not suppose to start the thread ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

or that they want a low impact sport they can play once they retire.

Ha!
Give it up Hogan, these guys are playing in HS on. It's OK if you don't get it or like it or whatever.
Hey, I don't really care for golf and I dislike Tiger
You're kidding?

[Hogan11]

Ha!
Give it up Hogan, these guys are playing in HS on.

Yeah so?

It's OK if you don't get it or like or whatever.

Of course it's okay not to be into golf....it's just too bad many of the threads posters didn't get that notion.

[azbroncfan]

I don't buy this notion that if you're not into golf, you don't like to "challenge yourself". There are many ways and games to challenge yourself with other than golf.

.

I don't think Beerslug said Golf is the ONLY way to challenge yourself. He said it is just A WAY.

[24champ]

Hey, I don't really care for golf

Well...go figure.

[Hogan11]

I don't think Beerslug said Golf is the ONLY way to challenge yourself. He said it is just A WAY.

Slug's quote: It's just a way (a game) to challenge yourself, some people like that, some don't care to. implied that if you didn't care for golf, then you didn't like to challenge yourself....and that's not true, so I made the clarifying response.

[Cito Pelon]

So you're calling Tiger a liar and dramaqueen then?

No, I'm saying the posters that make a bigger deal out of it than it really is are dramaqueens. Apparently, I underestimated the degree of the injury, but the point is it didn't have a dramatic effect on his play. He won the tournament fer cryin out loud walking what maybe 50 miles in 7 days, plus squatting down and getting back up maybe 40-50 times each day. How could it possibly be so painful or debilitating as some people like to make out?

I guess if you figure he should have won by 15 strokes in regulation, then yeah, the knee had a dramatic effect on his play. But his shots were just as long as ever, his accuracy was good, he putted great.

Now, Paul Pierce was a dramaqueen!

[Cito Pelon]

Looks like you stuck your foot in your mouth since he was playing with a stress fracture.

I did a bit, for sure. Got most of it in. It sure didn't look to me like it affected his play much, though.

[CBF1]

I did a bit, for sure. Got most of it in. It sure didn't look to me like it affected his play much, though.

Thank you for your expert opinion Dr. Pelon. :thumbsup:

[azbroncfan]

Slug's quote: implied that if you didn't care for golf, then you didn't like to challenge yourself....and that's not true, so I made the clarifying response.

Still looks like to me he said A WAY to challenge yourself. Whatever though you are reading into it a little too much but each to their own.

[Atwater His Ass]

No, I'm saying the posters that make a bigger deal out of it than it really is are dramaqueens. Apparently, I underestimated the degree of the injury, but the point is it didn't have a dramatic effect on his play. He won the tournament fer cryin out loud walking what maybe 50 miles in 7 days, plus squatting down and getting back up maybe 40-50 times each day. How could it possibly be so painful or debilitating as some people like to make out?

I guess if you figure he should have won by 15 strokes in regulation, then yeah, the knee had a dramatic effect on his play. But his shots were just as long as ever, his accuracy was good, he putted great.

Now, Paul Pierce was a dramaqueen!

Hilarious! keep digging that hole.

By the way, it's the fact that it didn't affect his play much that makes it such a big deal. Now you know.

[chaz]

I understand golf isn't for everyone...but why is Tiger disliked? Is it simply because he's so dominant? He works harder than anyone else on the PGA tour, and probably most other sports....and to win a major championship with a torn acl, double fracture, and probably lingering cartilage issues is impressive. end of story, there is no denying it.

Saying "the injury didn't affect him" or "it must not be as bad as he says" is complete ignorance whether or not you like him/golf. There is no way for that not to hurt when your sport consists of planting your left foot and torquing your body around it.

The US open was a five day exhibition in mind-over-body. You don't have to appreciate the game of golf to appreciate what this guy did.

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[Hogan11]

I understand golf isn't for everyone...but why is Tiger disliked? Is it simply because he's so dominant?

Maybe because Tiger oversaturates the market....That's not really his fault or anything, but the fact of the matter is I don't care who you are or how great you are, when you're constantly crammed down the public's throat, people are going to get sick of hearing about you.