Hope Phyllis Rivers' Mom Likes Him...

[BreesLightning]

The Giants not only are a historically successful team, they still have at least a couple players that played on the 2000 NFCC team.



I like your logic. The Chargers have a roster full of players that played in the 2007 AFCCG.

[Paladin]

But they didn't win the superbowl, now, did they? So, tell me. When was the last time the sparkies won a superbowl?

[400HZ]

it has nothing to do with comparing experience, it's even having the experience. The Giants not only are a historically successful team, they still have at least a couple players that played on the 2000 NFCC team.
Their coach also has extensive playoff experience, yes only one championship, but still someone comfortable in the postseason.

Turner has coached for 10 years and is still 18 games under .500.
as far as I can see, the Chargers don't have anyone with any championship experience.

Like I said, that doesn't mean SD can't win a superbowl. I sure wouldn't say that I like their chances though.

Or I could justs say, what do the giants have to do with San Diegos chances?

You're not making a whole lot of sense. I was just using the Giants as an example to try and illustrate how dumb your theory is. You can't win a Superbowl unless you already have Superbowl winning experience? Meh. Postseason experience is a factor, especially for a young team like we saw with the Chargers in 2006, but it's not the biggest factor. The Colts had a lot of postseason experience under their belt going into the playoffs last year and where did it get them? The Patriots had a mountain of it compared to New York.

The core of the current Chargers team has played in 4 or 5 playoff games, so they have a few big games under their belt. I didn't see "lack of experience" stamped on their playoff defeat last season.

[Paladin]

They just had a lame RB.....

[2KBack]

Turner was O-coordinator for "America's" team for a couple championships. The genius Belichik hadn't won anything until his stint in NE. History is just that- history. We've got a great, young team. They continue to improve, and I, unlike most 'maners think quite highly of Rivers. I also think he's only getting better.

FTR, I do think cutler is going to be a good QB- and may possibly be reaching that level now- however I'm not being biased when I say he's on a team that is talent deficient. I thought Shanny was/is a tremendous gameday coach- one of the best, but his talent evaluation has been worse than Marty's.

Time will tell, and after all- that's why they play the games.


Actually Belichik is part of the of the Parcells coaching tree and won 2 rings as the defensve coordinator. You are correct in that he didn't do much as a head coach at first though.

Again, I'm not talking about the Broncos. I'm also not predicting disaster for Rivers. What I am questioning is how a team that has never even sniffed a championship, with players that have never sniffed a campionship, and a coach who has failed as a head coach for the vast maority of his career can be confidant that they will win one.

It's fine to hope, but some of you guys go around assuming that a championship is a forgone conclusion.

[broncofan2438]

Back to this again......

[2KBack]

I like your logic. The Chargers have a roster full of players that played in the 2007 AFCCG.

awesome, did they win it?

[BreesLightning]

awesome, did they win it?



awesome, did the 2000 Giants that you used to back up your failed logic win it?

[2KBack]

You can't win a Superbowl unless you already have Superbowl winning experience?

No, you shouldn't EXPECT to win one. If you've never won anything before, it's pretty arrogant to predict to win one now. Go win it, then talk some smack about how championship worthy your team is.

I'll even believe it then.

[2KBack]

awesome, did the 2000 Giants that you used to back up your failed logic win it?

yes

Giants 41
Vikings 0

[BreesLightning]

yes

Giants 41
Vikings 0

I was talking about he superbowl. How does your logic correspond with the 2000 Giants not winning anything, i.e. the superbowl and then claiming the remnants of that team had the experience of winning the big one that pushed them over the top last season?

[400HZ]

No, you shouldn't EXPECT to win one. If you've never won anything before, it's pretty arrogant to predict to win one now. Go win it, then talk some smack about how championship worthy your team is.

I'll even believe it then.

I don't see anybody EXPECTING to win one. I don't even see anyone on here predicting to win one. I think they have as good a chance as anybody headed into this next season, but it's not going to fall into the Charger's lap.

[BreesLightning]

I don't see anybody EXPECTING to win one. I don't even see anyone on here predicting to win one. I think they have as good a chance as anybody headed into this next season, but it's not going to fall into the Charger's lap.

Hey, hey, speak for yourself. I am willing to put my "chump" change where my mouth is if sixtimeseight really has the balls to step up to the plate and follow through.

[BMarsh615]

You Charger fans can tell the truth, you don't REALLY like Rivers. If you knew you could get the same production from anyone else, you'd jump at the thought.
Your just keeping up appearances.

The gist of that is an actual quote I got from an inebriated life long charger fan.

Read the first few pages of this thread
http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=48144

Charger fans bashing RiversLOL


Hilarious! Hilarious! :~ohyah!:

[2KBack]

I was talking about he superbowl. How does your logic correspond with the 2000 Giants not winning anything, i.e. the superbowl and then claiming the remnants of that team had the experience of winning the big one that pushed them over the top last season?

I wasn't. I never claimed that you had to win it to get bowl experience. I also never said that it was impossible to win without already winning a championship. The example given to me was the Giants of last year, I pointed out that it wasn't long ago that the Giants were in the superbowl and that there are some guys left that were on that team. that is superbowl experience, you gotta get there to win it.

A better example would have been maybe the Bucs or Ravens, teams that really didn't seem like they had what it takes to go all the way. No players with any real Championship pedigree (though Balt. had Sharpe, so maybe I shouldn't use them.)

The difference is never heard Buc fans during the offseason say they like Brad Johnsons chances of winning a superbowl for the Bucs. There was no precedence to make such a claim. If you read the intital post that I was responding to, that is exactly what Boltfan said.

[NW Bolt Fan]

No, you shouldn't EXPECT to win one. If you've never won anything before, it's pretty arrogant to predict to win one now. Go win it, then talk some smack about how championship worthy your team is.

I'll even believe it then.This kind of eliminates the whole "prediction" part. Rivers has a much better shot at winning the SB than cutlet- for the foreseeable future.

[BMarsh615]

This kind of eliminates the whole "prediction" part. Rivers has a much better shot at winning the SB than cutlet- for the foreseeable future.

Rivers is garbage. If he was drafted by the Lions instead if the Chargers he would just be Joey Harrington part 2.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I wasn't. I never claimed that you had to win it to get bowl experience. I also never said that it was impossible to win without already winning a championship. The example given to me was the Giants of last year, I pointed out that it wasn't long ago that the Giants were in the superbowl and that there are some guys left that were on that team. that is superbowl experience, you gotta get there to win it.

A better example would have been maybe the Bucs or Ravens, teams that really didn't seem like they had what it takes to go all the way. No players with any real Championship pedigree (though Balt. had Sharpe, so maybe I shouldn't use them.)

The difference is never heard Buc fans during the offseason say they like Brad Johnsons chances of winning a superbowl for the Bucs. There was no precedence to make such a claim. If you read the intital post that I was responding to, that is exactly what Boltfan said.Yeah, in part because their offense wasn't one of the best in the league the previous couple years...

[NW Bolt Fan]

Rivers is garbage. If he was drafted by the Lions instead if the Chargers he would just be Joey Harrington part 2.Cutlet is garbage. If he were drafted by the Colts he'd be Jeff George 2.

[BMarsh615]

Cutlet is garbage. If he were drafted by the Colts he'd be Jeff George 2.

Thats funny because i have seen 2 or 3 articles that say Cutler is the young QB that is most likely to turn out to be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.

Mike Martz has been quoted saying that Cutler has a chance to be better than Peyton Manning.

Your team will never win a superbowl with Philip Rivers and Norv Turner.

[BMarsh615]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=48144

You might want to read the original thread starters breakdown of Rivers and see how many of your charger faithfull agree with this guy.

[2KBack]

This kind of eliminates the whole "prediction" part. Rivers has a much better shot at winning the SB than cutlet- for the foreseeable future.

eh, maybe. I think that tune will change soon enough (well, maybe not from you guys, but that's the nature of the beast). As of right now the claim can be made that SD is all around a better team, and therefor Rivers has the better shot. If that's the stance you are taking, that at least is easier to defend. It no longer assumes that none of the other 31 teams stand a chance of stopping Rivers in the next few years.

[2KBack]

Yeah, in part because their offense wasn't one of the best in the league the previous couple years...

SD has had a top rated offense for half a decade now, with nothing to show for it, how are things all of a sudden different?

[Florida_Bronco]

How much do you like his chances? I'll wager any amount up to $10k that he doesn't win it as the starter in the next three years. Put your money where your fat mouth is chump.

Whoa! Look who's a big boy now! Ha! ROFL!

[400HZ]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=48144

You might want to read the original thread starters breakdown of Rivers and see how many of your charger faithfull agree with this guy.

The old Brees supporters (I was one of them) came out of the wood work in the middle of last season, but most of them showed up and ate their crow later on in the year. The Chargers offense as a whole, Rivers included, had some really ****ty outtings early on and into the middle of the season. It was the game in Tennessee in week 13 or 14 when they really gained confidence and started performing the way they should. For a while there it was just good game, letdown, good game, letdown, good game, letdown. I'm pretty hopeful that a full offseason of actual no bs continuity with vets like Chambers, young guys like McNeil and Vincent Jackson, and the new coaches will make for a more consistant year throughout in 08. There was a definite identity crisis going on there for a while on both sides of the ball, but that's water under the bridge now. The advantage of having coaches like Norval, Cottrell, and Shelmon is that teams won't be angling to steal them away. It seems weird, but I think that will help San Diego headed into 2008.

[Paladin]

The Tennesee game turned on a call favorableto the sparkies. A bad call. Other than that, the Titans had the sparkies beaten.....

[NW Bolt Fan]

Thats funny because i have seen 2 or 3 articles that say Cutler is the young QB that is most likely to turn out to be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.

Mike Martz has been quoted saying that Cutler has a chance to be better than Peyton Manning.

Your team will never win a superbowl with Philip Rivers and Norv Turner.Hilarious! And Martz is GENIUS!

Your team will never win another game. See how ridiculous that is. Saying it- simply doesn't make it so- but I see your wishful thinking. :kiss:

[400HZ]

The Tennesee game turned on a call favorableto the sparkies. A bad call. Other than that, the Titans had the sparkies beaten.....

Maybe, but that's where it turned. Tennessee got a rematch.

[NW Bolt Fan]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=48144

You might want to read the original thread starters breakdown of Rivers and see how many of your charger faithfull agree with this guy.I could care less. Fans of all teams differ in opinons. When we went to the SB in '94, a guy at a bar I frequented didn't shut up all year calling for the replacement of Humphries by his back-up- Gale Gilbert. And while Humphries wasn't as good as Fouts- dude threw the deep ball as well as anyone and was LARGELY responsible for our SB run...

[NW Bolt Fan]

eh, maybe. I think that tune will change soon enough (well, maybe not from you guys, but that's the nature of the beast). As of right now the claim can be made that SD is all around a better team, and therefor Rivers has the better shot. If that's the stance you are taking, that at least is easier to defend. It no longer assumes that none of the other 31 teams stand a chance of stopping Rivers in the next few years.Never claimed we'd go undefeated... But I like Rivers chances at a SB victory. And yes, I believe it will happen- and soon.

[Paladin]

yada, yada, yada....

Much crap about a crappy team like the sparkies.....

[NW Bolt Fan]

SD has had a top rated offense for half a decade now, with nothing to show for it, how are things all of a sudden different?Half a decade? We've been watching different teams. Brees had ONE great year. Rivers has had two. Brees and co. were eliminated at home vs. the Jets. Rivers 1st year at home vs. the pats. Rivers 2nd year we went to the AFCCG. Of course I could be wrong, and of course many on here hope I am, but I recognize an upward trend. GEtting some playoff experience (victories) probably won't be a detrement.

[boltaneer]

Even though last year was Rivers' fourth year, it was only his second year starting so he is still learning. Remember, most experts say that it takes 2-3 years of starting before you get a real valid look at where a quarterback stands. And even then you can still be wrong - see Eli Manning.

As for Brees, I'm not sure what the deal is with him. His pattern seems to be one good year, followed by one bad year, one good year, one bad year, etc. He's definitely one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL but I think his problem is that defensive coordinators have figured out how to exploit his weaknesses. You just gotta have the personnel to do it otherwise Brees will burn you.

Rivers definitely has the higher ceiling. He just needs to keep improving like he showed at the end of last season. It's pretty clear that the coaching changes set the offense back last season. If Rivers' knee is truly back to 100% and he struggles this season then he deserves the criticism that will come his way.

Cutler needs the talent around him before he can start winning, just like any other quarterback, past or present in the NFL.

[2KBack]

Half a decade? We've been watching different teams. Brees had ONE great year. Rivers has had two. Brees and co. were eliminated at home vs. the Jets. Rivers 1st year at home vs. the pats. Rivers 2nd year we went to the AFCCG. Of course I could be wrong, and of course many on here hope I am, but I recognize an upward trend. GEtting some playoff experience (victories) probably won't be a detrement.

2004 -#4 offense in the FL
2005- #5
2006- #1
2007- #5

4 straight years, about to be five (unless you are predicting a decline, which you obviously are not). 5 years= half a decade.

[NW Bolt Fan]

2004 -#4 offense in the FL
2005- #5
2006- #1
2007- #5

4 straight years, about to be five (unless you are predicting a decline, which you obviously are not). 5 years= half a decade.
You're right. I didn't realize we scored that many points in '05. Guess this is our year to win the whole thing. :D

[2KBack]

You're right. I didn't realize we scored that many points in '05. Guess this is our year to win the whole thing. :D

I guess it doesn't hurt to be optimistic

[db56]

win a championship. see ya then

[BroncoMan4ever]

Guess this is our year to win the whole thing. :D

is there a midget named tattoo with you, because i swear you are living on fantasy island if you believe that

[TheReverend]

Hilarious! And Martz is GENIUS!

Your team will never win another game. See how ridiculous that is. Saying it- simply doesn't make it so- but I see your wishful thinking. :kiss:

Yeah! What would Martz know about a passing game?!?


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...wait a sec...

[sixtimeseight]

I'll take that action($10k). Let's set up an escrow.com account and both deposit the funds for them to hold. Now let's see who the chump here is.

Alright, let's do it. PM me so we can set up the exact stipulations of the bet.

[sixtimeseight]

Whoa! Look who's a big boy now! Ha! ROFL!

Isn't there a mall somewhere that needs "policing?" Those drug using punk kids hanging out by the Orange Julius arent' going to harass themselves. Oh, and don't be jealous because I have more money than you, you are making yourself look (even more) pathetic and small.

[Florida_Bronco]

Isn't there a mall somewhere that needs "policing?" Those drug using punk kids hanging out by the Orange Julius arent' going to harass themselves. Oh, and don't be jealous because I have more money than you, you are making yourself look (even more) pathetic and small.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/League_of_Cantankerous_Misanthropes/InternetToughGuy.jpg

[sixtimeseight]

Why is it that you always respond to a post about you within 5 minutes? You never leave this board, it's almost as sad and pathetic as not getting into police academy.

[Florida_Bronco]

Because the stench of your douchebaggery is like an instant alert when you post.

[sixtimeseight]

lol, I love how you waited exactly six minutes to make that post. I can just imagine you reading my post 30 seconds after I wrote it, then sitting there watching the clock as the minutes slowly passed by, sweating profusely cause you're fat as ****. Take your time on your next awesomely witty reply, I'm leaving the computer now. To participate in real life.

[DHallblows]

lol, I love how you waited exactly six minutes to make that post. I can just imagine you reading my post 30 seconds after I wrote it, then sitting there watching the clock as the minutes slowly passed by, sweating profusely cause you're fat as ****. Take your time on your next awesomely witty reply, I'm leaving the computer now. To participate in real life.

And the award for annoying douchebag goes to.....
*rips envelope open*
Oooh my goodness! It's mr 48 himself! kudos :notworthy

[NW Bolt Fan]

is there a midget named tattoo with you, because i swear you are living on fantasy island if you believe that
Alright, I must give props where props are due. That was damn funny. :rofl:

[orangeatheist]

Why is it that you always respond to a post about you within 5 minutes? You never leave this board, it's almost as sad and pathetic as not getting into police academy.

You waited two minutes.

lol, I love how you waited exactly six minutes to make that post. I can just imagine you reading my post 30 seconds after I wrote it, then sitting there watching the clock as the minutes slowly passed by, sweating profusely cause you're fat as ****. Take your time on your next awesomely witty reply, I'm leaving the computer now. To participate in real life.

You only waited four minutes to respond on this one.

The Dumbassery Award today goes to....

[DenverBrit]

Ah, it's off season when they eat their young. ;D

[ohiobronco2]

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/League_of_Cantankerous_Misanthropes/InternetToughGuy.jpg

ROFL! Ha! LOL

[Florida_Bronco]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who recognizes what a douchebag this guy is. The funniest part was when he claimed to know things about me from messages he'd been sent by people here who knew me.

Poor dumbass must not have realized only two people on this forum have met me in person. :spit:

[sixtimeseight]

Alright, let's do it. PM me so we can set up the exact stipulations of the bet.

Surprise, surprise, I haven't heard from BreesLightning, meaning he's a punk little bitch who backed out of the bet after agreeing to it.

Me: 1

Jackoff Chargers' fans (and fat mall-cops): 0

[BreesLightning]

Dude, I am here. let's get this done. The bet is pretty simple, River's wins a championship in the next three seasons you lose 10k. If he doesn't you win it.

That's it. Now PM me how you want to deposit the payment. We can both do 1k at a time to start so that I am sure you are not going to punk out before we add the whole 10k.

The whole 10k must be deposited by the beginning of this season. If you want, I can get my attorney to escrow this or if you want to use someone independant that we can both agree on then fine but he must be a bar certified attorney in any case.

[sixtimeseight]

Um yea, so escrow isn't free and needs to be set up, so we need to figure that out. Also, we need to be clear that Rivers has to be the starter of the team when they win the Super Bowl. If Volek wins the Super Bowl, I win the bet.

[BreesLightning]

Also, we need to be clear that Rivers has to be the starter of the team when they win the Super Bowl.

I'm fine with that, if Rivers couldn't be held out of the AFCCG because he was missing a leg I have little doubt that nothing will hold him out of playing in the superbowl.

In any case, I am giving you this but all he has to do is play and throw a pass in said superbowl. If he gets injured after that I still win.

I don't want Rivers to lead the chargers to the Superbowl against the likes of Indy and NE and then get knocked out by a cheap shot against a weak nfc opponent. Agreed?

[BreesLightning]

See you haven't responded. I am heading out. Email me the details to Richard at Expert Creations dot com .

[sixtimeseight]

I don't want Rivers to lead the chargers to the Superbowl against the likes of Indy and NE and then get knocked out by a cheap shot against a weak nfc opponent. Agreed?

Uhh no, he has to win it himself, not with the help of supersub Billy Volek. I stipulate he has to play at least 3 quarters of the game and win. I am open to a arrangement where the bet is nullfied if he gets injured in the first quarter or something like that.

[BreesLightning]

Uhh no, he has to win it himself, not with the help of supersub Billy Volek. I stipulate he has to play at least 3 quarters of the game and win. I am open to a arrangement where the bet is nullfied if he gets injured in the first quarter or something like that.


"Supersub" Billy Volek, yeah right dude, lay off the crack pipe.

Look man, I know I can get better odds than this in Vegas so if the Chargers are in the damn superbowl and Rivers get's injured for some reason, I am not going to have you win.

First of all, it is the belief of most fans here that the Chargers cannot win the superbowl under any circumstances. Now you are saying that they will do so under the scrub that is Billy Volek and without their starting QB. C'mon get real.

As I said, I am taking on on the bigger odds here. You either take it or leave it. The only reason I am taking this bet here rather than in Vegas is too shut your smug ass up and make a Bronco fan suffer where it hurts most. I will enjoy that much more than the 10k. 10k is only a few days earnings for me so no sweat off my back either way.

[sixtimeseight]

First of all, I doubt you'd get better than even odds in Vegas, especially if you factor in the vig. Second of all, I'm not saying Volek is going to lead them to the Super Bowl. I don't think San Diego is going to sniff the Super Bowl anytime soon, and if I did I wouldn't make this bet. All I'm saying is that if Rivers gets injured in the first quarter and Volek takes the reigns and dominates, that shouldn't qualify as a winner. If the money is no object to you and you really want to make my "smug ass" shut up, why not just do some stupid sig bet or something. Or loser can't ever post again. I'm certainly not going to shut up even if I lose (which I wont).

[TheReverend]

"Supersub" Billy Volek, yeah right dude, lay off the crack pipe.

Look man, I know I can get better odds than this in Vegas so if the Chargers are in the damn superbowl and Rivers get's injured for some reason, I am not going to have you win.

First of all, it is the belief of most fans here that the Chargers cannot win the superbowl under any circumstances. Now you are saying that they will do so under the scrub that is Billy Volek and without their starting QB. C'mon get real.

As I said, I am taking on on the bigger odds here. You either take it or leave it. The only reason I am taking this bet here rather than in Vegas is too shut your smug ass up and make a Bronco fan suffer where it hurts most. I will enjoy that much more than the 10k. 10k is only a few days earnings for me so no sweat off my back either way.

You make a million a year?

[orange 4 life]

You make a million a year?

honestly, he had me until that comment.

prior, i had to admit that he was manning up. he was owning his comment, he was offering to legitimize it with an attorney, and he was being cordial in doing so.
i hate the chargers as much as anyone (any of you that know me from tailgates and here know this) but i ALSO can recognize when an opposing fan is bringing it to the table, and doing it with class.

i was there with this guy until that comment.

thats just a blatant attempt to show off and play the whole "i make more than you" card, which IMHO is downright pathetic.
his earning power (or lack of it) is irrelevant to the thread, and its irrelevant to the bet.
whether that 10k is chump change or would make him homeless is irrelevant.

there's not a whole lot of things more classless than bragging about income.

[vancejohnson82]

haha...BreesLightning....someone please do something with this in photoshop


im think of LT and Phyllis almost kissing in front of the race car

[orange 4 life]

ps- i havent read this whole thread yet, but here's to hoping this bet happens.
take his money 6x8.

two things:

1) the chargers arent winning a superbowl. this statement isnt made 'cause i hate them (which i do), but because they just dont have the chemistry, the depth, the right pieces in place (long argument for another time), or the right qb. honestly, i LIKE guys with spunk, and even guys that will talk a bit. as much as charger fan wants to believe it, that is NOT the case with rivers. rivers (while gutsy as hell) is classless and immature, and i just dont see that changing at this point.

2) apparently this clown can afford it. if what he says is true (like any of us care) then he'll earn it back in a couple days. its not like this is gonna cause his kids to be eating out of dumpsters.

take the money.

[NW Bolt Fan]

First of all, I doubt you'd get better than even odds in Vegas, especially if you factor in the vig. Second of all, I'm not saying Volek is going to lead them to the Super Bowl. I don't think San Diego is going to sniff the Super Bowl anytime soon, and if I did I wouldn't make this bet. All I'm saying is that if Rivers gets injured in the first quarter and Volek takes the reigns and dominates, that shouldn't qualify as a winner. If the money is no object to you and you really want to make my "smug ass" shut up, why not just do some stupid sig bet or something. Or loser can't ever post again. I'm certainly not going to shut up even if I lose (which I wont).You've never gambled or been to vegas then. It's a horrendous bet for him and stupendous for you. You get every other team... Vegas still provides ODDS- even for FAVORITE. Last check, the Bolts were around 5 to 1. 2k to win 10. And depending on how each season goes, betting, etc. that will change- particularly 3 seasons from now...

Bet it each season and he'd never lose more than 6k with a shot at winning substantially more than 10k.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Um yea, so escrow isn't free and needs to be set up, so we need to figure that out. Also, we need to be clear that Rivers has to be the starter of the team when they win the Super Bowl. If Volek wins the Super Bowl, I win the bet.You're willing to bet 10k on football, but you're gonna biatch about a hundred bucks for escrow? :thumbs:

[NW Bolt Fan]

haha...BreesLightning....someone please do something with this in photoshop


im think of LT and Phyllis almost kissing in front of the race carMore perv fantasies...

[NW Bolt Fan]

ps- i havent read this whole thread yet, but here's to hoping this bet happens.
take his money 6x8.

two things:

1) the chargers arent winning a superbowl. this statement isnt made 'cause i hate them (which i do), but because they just dont have the chemistry, the depth, the right pieces in place (long argument for another time), or the right qb. honestly, i LIKE guys with spunk, and even guys that will talk a bit. as much as charger fan wants to believe it, that is NOT the case with rivers. rivers (while gutsy as hell) is classless and immature, and i just dont see that changing at this point.

2) apparently this clown can afford it. if what he says is true (like any of us care) then he'll earn it back in a couple days. its not like this is gonna cause his kids to be eating out of dumpsters.

take the money.
Home team qb Homer... Yeah, guys that take care of their family, and not only talk it up, but back it up on the field are classless and immature. ^5 You might need to rethink whether statement #1 is indeed made because of your hatred, or because of objectivity.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Superbowl XLIII
Fri 8/8 12:00PM (EST)

New England Patriots +370
Indianapolis Colts +750
San Diego Chargers +775
Dallas Cowboys +975
Jacksonville Jaguars +1500
New York Giants +2000
New Orleans Saints +2300
Philadelphia Eagles +2500
Pittsburgh Steelers +2500
Green Bay Packers +2800
Minnesota Vikings +3300
Seattle Seahawks +3300
Cleveland Browns +3800
Denver Broncos +4000
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Arizona Cardinals +5000
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Miami Dolphins +20000

* Note: Superbowl XLIII - Tampa, Florida

In case you can't figure it out, I went ahead and made a $5.00 bet:

Wager type : Proposition/Future Description : Football NFL Superbowl XLIII Superbowl XLIII San Diego Chargers +775 Amount : Risking 5.00 To Win 38.75 USD

[vancejohnson82]

Five dollars??? That's no sweat off my back....

I'll make that back in a day

[NW Bolt Fan]

Five dollars??? That's no sweat off my back....

I'll make that back in a dayYou never know what the future holds. Economy is TANKING...:rofl:

[orange 4 life]

Home team qb Homer... Yeah, guys that take care of their family, and not only talk it up, but back it up on the field are classless and immature. ^5 You might need to rethink whether statement #1 is indeed made because of your hatred, or because of objectivity.

read it again pal.
i acknowledged the toughness. there's no doubt that the kid has talent and guts.
i was and am impressed with his play from last years playoffs, and you wont hear me blame the loss on his shoulders.
also, like i said, i like a guy (especially a qb) with some moxy. like him or hate him (bronco fans), jake plummer had moxy. john elway had moxy.
tough guys that would respond to a scuffle, get in someone's face, and play with intensity.

they WOULDNT go out of their way to taunt an opposing qb who wasnt running his mouth at all.
they wouldnt consistently attack teammates.

you get the idea.
you can defend him all day long, but we both know that the kid is classless.
CLASSLESS
not "talentless" or "gutless", but CLASSLESS.

ive seen nothing from cutler to make me believe that he's classless.
i wondered (aloud) if he had the heart of a champion, because he seemed so subdued. watch an elway, plummer, or rivers (ill use your guy and our prior qb) after a mistake, and theyre VISIBLY pissed.
cutler just kinda walked to the sideline and sat down with that sleepy/stoned expression (really a LACK of any expression!) on his face.
it worried me, yet he always seemed to PLAY with fierce intensity.

bottom line is his medical situation was some staggering news, and MORE than explains the lack of fire on the sidelines, in the locker room, or after a mistake.
the young man could barely muster enough energy for the next play, let alone waste what little he had smashing his helmet into the ground.

anyway, it remains to be seen what will happen with cutler.
the talent is scary.
if his medical situation remains stable and he CAN indeed become the vocal leader that we had in plummer (again, love him or hate him) and elway, then we'll have something VERY special.

...and finally, to address the "home team qb homer" statement, that goes back to the friction when we had plummer and cutler on the same team.
that was just my way of saying "i'm gonna get behind the guy taking the snaps," as opposed to doing what SO MANY (here and elsewhere) do and make the backup qb the savior.
at the time, i was 100% behind plummer. now i'm 100% behind cutler.

ps- dont bother mentioning plummers middle finger incident. it was once, it was provoked (severely), and it was handled properly. hell, it was directed at one of OUR OWN fans, and rod smith said that if plummer hadnt done it, he wouldve. frankly, i was and remain disappointed with my fellow fans and season ticket holders for not taking care of that a-hole ourselves. you dont do that to your starting qb in your own stadium. classless, and not representative of the kind of fans we have here.

[NW Bolt Fan]

read it again pal.
i acknowledged the toughness. there's no doubt that the kid has talent and guts.
i was and am impressed with his play from last years playoffs, and you wont hear me blame the loss on his shoulders.
also, like i said, i like a guy (especially a qb) with some moxy. like him or hate him (bronco fans), jake plummer had moxy. john elway had moxy.
tough guys that would respond to a scuffle, get in someone's face, and play with intensity.

they WOULDNT go out of their way to taunt an opposing qb who wasnt running his mouth at all.
they wouldnt consistently attack teammates.

you get the idea.
you can defend him all day long, but we both know that the kid is classless.
CLASSLESS
not "talentless" or "gutless", but CLASSLESS.

ive seen nothing from cutler to make me believe that he's classless.
i wondered (aloud) if he had the heart of a champion, because he seemed so subdued. watch an elway, plummer, or rivers (ill use your guy and our prior qb) after a mistake, and theyre VISIBLY pissed.
cutler just kinda walked to the sideline and sat down with that sleepy/stoned expression (really a LACK of any expression!) on his face.
it worried me, yet he always seemed to PLAY with fierce intensity.

bottom line is his medical situation was some staggering news, and MORE than explains the lack of fire on the sidelines, in the locker room, or after a mistake.
the young man could barely muster enough energy for the next play, let alone waste what little he had smashing his helmet into the ground.

anyway, it remains to be seen what will happen with cutler.
the talent is scary.
if his medical situation remains stable and he CAN indeed become the vocal leader that we had in plummer (again, love him or hate him) and elway, then we'll have something VERY special.

...and finally, to address the "home team qb homer" statement, that goes back to the friction when we had plummer and cutler on the same team.
that was just my way of saying "i'm gonna get behind the guy taking the snaps," as opposed to doing what SO MANY (here and elsewhere) do and make the backup qb the savior.
at the time, i was 100% behind plummer. now i'm 100% behind cutler.

ps- dont bother mentioning plummers middle finger incident. it was once, it was provoked (severely), and it was handled properly. hell, it was directed at one of OUR OWN fans, and rod smith said that if plummer hadnt done it, he wouldve. frankly, i was and remain disappointed with my fellow fans and season ticket holders for not taking care of that a-hole ourselves. you dont do that to your starting qb in your own stadium. classless, and not representative of the kind of fans we have here.
I respect your post and explanation... However, it's hard to really know what was said, done, gestured, etc. between Rivers and Cutler. Just as it's hard to know anything else taht's been said between those two in other passing moments. And it's not like Rivers was the ONLY one saying something. Obviously there was more going on. If you want to believe it was all Rivers flying off the handle, which would be UNCHARACTERISTIC with regards to everything I've ever seen from him, or read about him, then by all means- believe it. As for the consistently attacking teammates? I just don't get it. Many on the 'mane want to believe that he's dispised by several on the team- it's just not the case. Dude is loved and respected by most- if not all of his teammates...

[NW Bolt Fan]

BTW, it does bode well for Cutler that he was diagnosed and will now be treating himself. Playing at a poor level under those conditions would be a feat.

[OOJack]

BTW, it does bode well for Cutler that he was diagnosed and will now be treating himself. Playing at a poor level under those conditions would be a feat.

Cheater fan, Rivers sucks. Why don't you go and post on www.cheaters.com instead of here.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Cheater fan, Rivers sucks. Why don't you go and post on www.cheaters.com instead of here.Rivers rocks. You're sour grapes. Why not go post on www.iliketowhine.com

[OOJack]

Rivers rocks. You're sour grapes. Why not go post on www.iliketowhine.com

That site doesn't resolve. Why would I post on a site that doesn't exist?

[orange 4 life]

You're willing to bet 10k on football, but you're gonna biatch about a hundred bucks for escrow? :thumbs:

to his credit, he just said "we'll need to figure that out," which of course is fair. the cost should be split, unless we have people here (i'd do it pro bono if i was an attorney) that are willing to do it for free.

that said, i think the whole volek argument is silly.
let it go and get this bet done.

[BroncoMan4ever]

BTW, it does bode well for Cutler that he was diagnosed and will now be treating himself. Playing at a poor level under those conditions would be a feat.

Playing at a poor level? are you nuts? even sick he was still better than Rivers.
Statistically speaking Cutler was better than Rivers in every way last season while he was sick.(except for wins-and wins are a team stat)
Now imagine him playing healthy all year. Statistically Rivers can NOT match him.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Playing at a poor level? are you nuts? even sick he was still better than Rivers.
Statistically speaking Cutler was better than Rivers in every way last season while he was sick.(except for wins-and wins are a team stat)
Now imagine him playing healthy all year. Statistically Rivers can NOT match him.That's kind of what I was saying... Statistically, he already has. Rivers 1st full season starting netted better stats in nearly every category- than Cutler has ever had in the NFL.

[orange 4 life]

I respect your post and explanation... However, it's hard to really know what was said, done, gestured, etc. between Rivers and Cutler. Just as it's hard to know anything else taht's been said between those two in other passing moments. And it's not like Rivers was the ONLY one saying something. Obviously there was more going on. If you want to believe it was all Rivers flying off the handle, which would be UNCHARACTERISTIC with regards to everything I've ever seen from him, or read about him, then by all means- believe it. As for the consistently attacking teammates? I just don't get it. Many on the 'mane want to believe that he's dispised by several on the team- it's just not the case. Dude is loved and respected by most- if not all of his teammates...

my interpretation on the cutler/rivers incident is based on a few things.
one, cutler had NEVER before been involved in any kind of trash talking exchange with ANYONE before that time. river on the other hand has a long and storied reputation (given his time in the league) for having a big mouth.
secondly, i watched it (more than once) and plainly couldnt see ANY reason for rivers to attack the way he did.
sure, i suppose its POSSIBLE that cutler had given him some ammo, but is it LIKELY? of course not.
....and even if cutler HAD said something, for God's sake man, have the class to walk away from it, and even if you do feel the need to comment back, do you really need to go ON AND ON while walking out onto the field?
i just cant see any scenario where that was warranted or justified.

as for rivers with his teammates, i can only speculate. that said, who hasnt noticed the heated conversations with tomlinson?
....and shouldnt it be noted that tomlinson, like cutler, has NO history of showboating, fighting, off field incidents, or confrontations with fellow players?
does anyone really believe that it wasnt rivers who was out of line?

as for the REST of the team, my GUESS is that they love and respect his TALENT and his GUTS, but i doubt that they love his arrogance, temper, and attitude.
i think there's a difference between being respected and being liked.
as the qb, it IS in my opinion more important to be RESPECTED than liked, but the combo is a whole lot better, and its being truly LIKED that leads to the kind of team unity thats often needed to carry a team to a championship.
just my .02,

jake

[Paladin]

Good stuff, Jake. Rep.

[bayarealightning]

After reading through this thread, you Bronco fans have convinced me. Yeah, only Rivers' mother should like him. Maybe more players and fans alike would like Rivers more if he sprayed liquor on club goers, get in stranger's vehicles, and get jacked for hundreds of thousands of $$$ of jewelry; or have a bunch of kids out of wedlock all over the country and fight with the coach/GM and get cut; or beat up your girlfriend, fight/horse around with relatives and severly cut yourself; or continually to get arrested; or make it rain in a strip club and have someone from your posse shoot up the joint! Maybe if he did those things he would be more likable.

On second thought, nah! I like Rivers just fine. Its up to his opponents to shut him up on the field. That is the challenge that he puts out there. Shut him up. If you can't, then oh well!

[NW Bolt Fan]

After reading through this thread, you Bronco fans have convinced me. Yeah, only Rivers' mother should like him. Maybe more players and fans alike would like Rivers more if he sprayed liquor on club goers, get in stranger's vehicles, and get jacked for hundreds of thousands of $$$ of jewelry; or have a bunch of kids out of wedlock all over the country and fight with the coach/GM and get cut; or beat up your girlfriend, fight/horse around with relatives and severly cut yourself; or continually to get arrested; or make it rain in a strip club and have someone from your posse shoot up the joint! Maybe if he did those things he would be more likable.

On second thought, nah! I like Rivers just fine. Its up to his opponents to shut him up on the field. That is the challenge that he puts out there. Shut him up. If you can't, then oh well!QFT.

[BreesLightning]

honestly, he had me until that comment.

prior, i had to admit that he was manning up. he was owning his comment, he was offering to legitimize it with an attorney, and he was being cordial in doing so.
i hate the chargers as much as anyone (any of you that know me from tailgates and here know this) but i ALSO can recognize when an opposing fan is bringing it to the table, and doing it with class.

i was there with this guy until that comment.

thats just a blatant attempt to show off and play the whole "i make more than you" card, which IMHO is downright pathetic.
his earning power (or lack of it) is irrelevant to the thread, and its irrelevant to the bet.
whether that 10k is chump change or would make him homeless is irrelevant.

there's not a whole lot of things more classless than bragging about income.


Dude, the only reason I said that is because sixtimeseight has been nickle and diming the situation and trying to work every aspect into his his favor when I am already taking the stupid odds as compared to Vegas.

I am willing to man up here and go through with what I said but I will not make a lopsided bet even more so. If my family depended on it, I wouldn't even consider it so just chill out.

Sixtimeseight, I am down to pay 50% of the escrow fees.

[Steve Sewell]

In a word: LOSER.
:thanku:

There is an old saying that you should never forget where you came from. Remember that, Charger fan.

[Steve Sewell]

your telling me that because he went into a game injured he is a better QB.

Jay played half a season battling illness that caused him to drop in weight, strength, and energy and not only did he produce, but he did it without the talent that Rivers has.

Name QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Sacked
Rivers 82.4 277 460 60.2 3152 197.0 6.9 21 15 22
Culter 88.1 297 467 63.6 3497 218.6 7.5 20 14 27

Let the numbers speak for themselves.

Culer is better in every catergory except for TD's where he is only 1 behind and he didn't have an all pro TE, the best RB in the league or one of the best offensive lines in the league.
And he was sick the whole year, which was his 1st as a starting QB all season long.

OWNED!

[kamakazi_kal]

OWNED!

truth......

[400HZ]

OWNED!

OWNED is 41-3. :sunshine:

[Steve Sewell]

OWNED is 41-3. :sunshine:

Did you personally do the owning or was that done by salaried players on a football team?

[boltaneer]

Did you personally do the owning or was that done by salaried players on a football team?

That question always pops in my head when one fan tries to slam another fan of a rival team.

[orange 4 life]

Dude, the only reason I said that is because sixtimeseight has been nickle and diming the situation and trying to work every aspect into his his favor when I am already taking the stupid odds as compared to Vegas.

I am willing to man up here and go through with what I said but I will not make a lopsided bet even more so. If my family depended on it, I wouldn't even consider it so just chill out.

Sixtimeseight, I am down to pay 50% of the escrow fees.

fair enough i suppose. like i said, i was with ya 100% before that comment, but you must understand that comments like that COME ACROSS as holier than thou, and not just to him, but to everyone else on the board, even if thats not the intention.

as for the rest, i think you handled the situation with the utmost professionalism and honesty, not to mention balls of steel. Ha!
its a rare thing these days, so its nice to see, and notice i ALSO said i thought the whole volek caveat was ridiculous (on his behalf).

anyway, way to man up, and here's to hoping the bet goes down!!

[NW Bolt Fan]

There is an old saying that you should never forget where you came from. Remember that, Charger fan.? Uhh, okay. Makes no sense to me. So, according to you, you're a pimp huh? Remember where you came from. Okay. Keep movin on up Steve.

[NW Bolt Fan]

That's kind of what I was saying... Statistically, he already has. Rivers 1st full season starting netted better stats in nearly every category- than Cutler has ever had in the NFL.
This is for you Steve, since you didn't get it the first time, and quoted someone's post who erased it when they figured out their assertion was incorrect. OWNED.:flower:

[NW Bolt Fan]

That question always pops in my head when one fan tries to slam another fan of a rival team.
ATTA BABY. ;D

[orange 4 life]

Did you personally do the owning or was that done by salaried players on a football team?


weak argument.

WE pay for the stadium. .1 tax on everything we buy.
WE pay for merchandise.
WE pay for season tickets.
WE have sold out the stadium since the 70's.
WE watch on television giving revenue to the owners.
as a result, WE are indirectly PAYING those salaried players.

...and finally, putting that uniform on means theyre playing for the city and people of DENVER COLORADO, or with his argument, the people of san diego.

bottom line is WE have a right to say we every bit as much as the players do, and not much in the world of sports talk irks me more than the whole "do you play for the team" crap when a fan says "we."

[DHallblows]

? Uhh, okay. Makes no sense to me. So, according to you, you're a pimp huh? Remember where you came from. Okay. Keep movin on up Steve.

He means you've sucked the last decade so you shouldn't be calling other teams "losers". And it's a pretty douchy thing to randomly insult someone for a civilized comment that "Makes no sense" to you...

[NW Bolt Fan]

He means you've sucked the last decade so you shouldn't be calling other teams "losers". And it's a pretty douchy thing to randomly insult someone for a civilized comment that "Makes no sense" to you...Gee THANKS for the explanation. I'll be sure not to "randomly insult someone" for "civilized comments" in the future. :thumbsup:

Sucked for the last decade huh?

[JJJ]

OWNED!

Statistically there isn't much difference in those stats. Cutler had quite a bit more garbage time for stat padding than Rivers. That being said my expectation is that Cutler matures as the more dominant quarterback over the years due to his superior natural skill set and calm demeanor.

I think the Bolts however will remain the dominant team over the next three years until LT and this current crew break up and Rivers is smart enough to know his role on the team is to not turn the ball over and to take advantage of the turnovers and good field position generated by a good defense. Dropping a valium before gametime wouldn't hurt his chances either I think.

[Paladin]

Sandy Eggo really was a sucky team for alot of years, weren't they? REally, they got real lucky and hit abdolute bottom and were fortunate enough to sucker New York into a really stupid deal. So, that's the whole draft process was envisioned by Roselle. It allowed sucky teams like the Sparkies to get lucky.

Too bad they haven't done anything worth talking about yet.....

[Northman]

http://members.tripod.com/corzman69/1ccb1220.jpg

[Popps]

You guys have to understand the angst of Charger fan. You can't blame these new-to-football fans for going all boy-crush on Rivers. Chargers fans are the football-equivalent to adult virgins. They've just got no idea what it's like to go all the way, and that's got to be very frustrating.

[Northman]

You guys have to understand the angst of Charger fan. You can't blame these new-to-football fans for going all boy-crush on Rivers. Chargers fans are the football-equivalent to adult virgins. They've just got no idea what it's like to go all the way, and that's got to be very frustrating.

LOL Ha!

[NW Bolt Fan]

You guys have to understand the angst of Charger fan. You can't blame these new-to-football fans for going all boy-crush on Rivers. Chargers fans are the football-equivalent to adult virgins. They've just got no idea what it's like to go all the way, and that's got to be very frustrating.Relating being a football fan to your own life... Sad, but amusing.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Sandy Eggo really was a sucky team for alot of years, weren't they? REally, they got real lucky and hit abdolute bottom and were fortunate enough to sucker New York into a really stupid deal. So, that's the whole draft process was envisioned by Roselle. It allowed sucky teams like the Sparkies to get lucky.

Too bad they haven't done anything worth talking about yet.....Rock bottom may have actually come about because of the draft. Drafting Leaf put us in a hole for many years. And while we've not won the championship YET, it's nice to be out of the cellar and on top of the division.

[Popps]

Relating being a football fan to your own life... Sad, but amusing.

Married with kids, junior. (Hence the name.)

Oh, and guess who my kids root for?

A team who has won a Superbowl!


!Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!

[Popps]

If you've lived a little bit, you've seen Charger-fan in many walks of life.

That guy at the bar who can't have a good time because he's so frustrated he can't get any, he starts fights.

Can you imagine being so desperate for attention that you resort to other team's message boards?

ChargerBoy69 - "Hey, you guys suck! Your team is no good!"

ChampionFan - "And you guys have won what, again?"

ChargerBoy69 - "Ummmm... you guys suck, **** you... ummmmm..... Philip Rivers could beat up Jay Cutler...."

[Northman]

If you've lived a little bit, you've seen Charger-fan in many walks of life.

That guy at the bar who can't have a good time because he's so frustrated he can't get any, he starts fights.

Can you imagine being so desperate for attention that you resort to other team's message boards?

ChargerBoy69 - "Hey, you guys suck! Your team is no good!"

ChampionFan - "And you guys have won what, again?"

ChargerBoy69 - "Ummmm... you guys suck, **** you... ummmmm..... Philip Rivers could beat up Jay Cutler...."


QFT


Must be lonely for a fan of San Diego to know that they are the only team in their division without a championship. But what else do they have to grab onto? All they have is minor victories throughout any given season. Until they actually when a championship they will remain at the back of the bus. Hilarious!

[Popps]

QFT


Must be lonely for a fan of San Diego to know that they are the only team in their division without a championship. But what else do they have to grab onto? All they have is minor victories throughout any given season. Until they actually when a championship they will remain at the back of the bus. Hilarious!

Think about this... historically, they are looking up at the Raiders.

It's no wonder their fans go into hiding unless they're having a winning season.
(Assuming there were any to begin with.)

[Northman]

Think about this... historically, they are looking up at the Raiders.

It's no wonder their fans go into hiding unless they're having a winning season.
(Assuming there were any to begin with.)


Or even worse, the Chiefs. What are they going on? Like 30 years without even really sniffing a Super Bowl? Ha!

[Popps]

Or even worse, the Chiefs. What are they going on? Like 30 years without even really sniffing a Super Bowl? Ha!

They're miserably pathetic. A complete joke a franchise.... and yet, still have more to show than Charger-fan!

Hilarious!

[NW Bolt Fan]

Keep on living those glory days. Donks are on are pace for an unprecedented 3 consecutive season playoff drought. AND getting swept by the Bolts- AGAIN.

But you can bask in the shadow of your Lombardi from over a decade ago.

You may as well call yourselves the Denver Elways. Because it's ONLY because of him you won anything.

Now for the savior cutlet. He's going to "try" not to suck. Good luck with that one.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Think about this... historically, they are looking up at the Raiders.

It's no wonder their fans go into hiding unless they're having a winning season.
(Assuming there were any to begin with.)It's no wonder you resort to living in the past when your team sucks- like now.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Think about this... historically, they are looking up at the Raiders.

It's no wonder their fans go into hiding unless they're having a winning season.
(Assuming there were any to begin with.)Depends on what part of history you focus on- ancient, or recent.

[Northman]

Keep on living those glory days. Donks are on are pace for an unprecedented 3 consecutive season playoff drought. AND getting swept by the Bolts- AGAIN.

But you can bask in the shadow of your Lombardi from over a decade ago.

You may as well call yourselves the Denver Elways. Because it's ONLY because of him you won anything.

Now for the savior cutlet. He's going to "try" not to suck. Good luck with that one.


Past, Present, Future, its still not going to change the fact that 3 of the 4 teams in the AFC West have SB Trophies while there is one odd man out. Want to guess who that is or is that a sore subject?

[NW Bolt Fan]

Married with kids, junior. (Hence the name.)

Oh, and guess who my kids root for?

A team who has won a Superbowl!


!Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya! !Booya!"Well I'm so much cooler online..."

[NW Bolt Fan]

Past, Present, Future, its still not going to change the fact that 3 of the 4 teams in the AFC West have SB Trophies while there is one odd man out. Want to guess who that is or is that a sore subject?'Oly crap! You mean we don't have one. ****, you got me with an original jab. Just ruined my day. :(

You're as pathetic as a turd fan. :-*

[Northman]

'Oly crap! You mean we don't have one. ****, you got me with an original jab. Just ruined my day. :(




Glad to oblige. I always feel it necessary to help out the weak. ^5

[NW Bolt Fan]

Glad to oblige. I always feel it necessary to help out the weak. ^5Then where were you for cutlet last year?!? :wave:

[400HZ]

Think about this... historically, they are looking up at the Raiders.

It's no wonder their fans go into hiding unless they're having a winning season.
(Assuming there were any to begin with.)

Well historically you guys are looking up at the Raiders, too. That doesn't mean we can't deride them or make fun of their stupid costumes. My team has beaten them 8 straight. :flower:

[Northman]

Then where were you for Rivers last year?!? :wave:


I was here, pointing it out his short comings all year long champ. Im looking out for you bro dont worry. :thumbsup:

[Northman]

Well historically you guys are looking up at the Raiders, too. That doesn't mean we can't deride them or make fun of their stupid costumes. My team has beaten them 8 straight. :flower:

If thats all it took to win a Super Bowl i guess you guys would be champions. Hilarious!

[NW Bolt Fan]

I was here, pointing it out his short comings all year long champ. Im looking out for you bro dont worry. :thumbsup:Good job. It's important to point out the shortcomings of an opposing team's QB who you've never beaten. Hilarious!

[BroncosinDC]

I will leave the trash talking to my good buddies, Jay Cutler, Champ Bailey, Mike Shanahan, and Brandon Marshall.

You said it your self it would be unprecedented for the Broncos to miss the playoffs 3 years in a row. That says enough. 1996-2003 were you a Bolts fan?

[NW Bolt Fan]

If thats all it took to win a Super Bowl i guess you guys WILL BE champions. 8') Fixed it for ya.

[Northman]

Good job. It's important to point out the shortcomings of an opposing team's QB who you've never beaten. Hilarious!

Like i said, im here for you bro. !Booya!

[Northman]

Fixed it for ya.


Yea, everyone is still waiting. Been hearing that for YEARS.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I will leave the trash talking to my good buddies, Jay Cutler, Champ Bailey, Mike Shanahan, and Brandon Marshall.

You said it your self it would be unprecedented for the Broncos to miss the playoffs 3 years in a row. That says enough. 1996-2003 were you a Bolts fan?Sure was. Before then, and after then. And always will be.

You might want to give them a refresher on trash talking then- cause lately- it's more of what they've been- not what they're talking.

It IS unprecedented for a shanarat team to miss the playoffs like this. He's starting to clue into just how good his team was. And now that he's solely in charge of the ship... Well, good luck.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Yea, everyone is still waiting. Been hearing that for YEARS.From WHO? Late in the 70's/early 80's we were good. Then early in the 90's. Then, admittedly, we were terrible- until a few years after the turn of the new millenium. I was never preaching us going to the SB when I first came here. But I am now.

I know you realize how good our team is. Of course you're hoping for us to continually fall short. Maybe we will... But I don't think so.

[Northman]

I know you realize how good our team is. Of course you're hoping for us to continually fall short. Maybe we will...

Yea, i have to agree. I think you will come close as usual but fail. But you do have a good team, just not quite good enough.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Yea, i have to agree. I think you will come close as usual but fail. But you do have a good team, just not quite good enough.That's why they play teh games.

[BroncosinDC]

Sure was. Before then, and after then. And always will be.

You might want to give them a refresher on trash talking then- cause lately- it's more of what they've been- not what they're talking.

It IS unprecedented for a shanarat team to miss the playoffs like this. He's starting to clue into just how good his team was. And now that he's solely in charge of the ship... Well, good luck.

Historically you can never say the Dolts are a better team. The last two years you won more games, while we were riddled with injury. Congrats that means nothing, without a SB or even an appearance. This upcoming season will be telling is LT going to make it. Will whiney Rivers show anything other than the ability to give LT the ball. I think as the season progresses you wont like the answers.

Will Jay and Bmarsh rock it out, will our run D be any better? I think so. You can't talk trash about something that hasn't happened. You had 2 good seasons some of your best some of our worst. And guess what the tides are changing.

End thread....see you in September. Pass the time like all good people in San Diego go south of the border see a donkey show, and watch the Padres lose to the Rockies. Football trash talk is for the season, go find a Rockies board to be a troll on.

[Northman]

That's why they play teh games.


True. I know the Detroit Lions tell themselves that a lot.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Historically you can never say the Dolts are a better team. The last two years you won more games, while we were riddled with injury. Congrats that means nothing, without a SB or even an appearance. This upcoming season will be telling is LT going to make it. Will whiney Rivers show anything other than the ability to give LT the ball. I think as the season progresses you wont like the answers.

Will Jay and Bmarsh rock it out, will our run D be any better? I think so. You can't talk trash about something that hasn't happened. You had 2 good seasons some of your best some of our worst. And guess what the tides are changing.

End thread....see you in September. Pass the time like all good people in San Diego go south of the border see a donkey show, and watch the Padres lose to the Rockies. Football trash talk is for the season, go find a Rockies board to be a troll on.I'm not a beisbol fan. And your tide might be turning- but we're only getting better- not worse. So if that might doesn't happen like you believe it's going to- this year will be worse than last. I'll be surprised if you guys win more than 6 games this year. Not trying to ruffle feathers, it's just where I see you guys... Your D can't be any worse. cutlet on insulin has got to be better. Marshall on a hamburger wrapper can't help...

Our best is yet to come.

[NW Bolt Fan]

True. I know the Detroit Lions tell themselves that a lot.Ohhhhhhhhhh the irony.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29313&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG9

[Northman]

Ohhhhhhhhhh the irony.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29313&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2007&week=REG9


As usual my comment went right over your head. Ha!

[Popps]

Our best is yet to come.

I guess that's one way to look at it when you've never accomplished anything.

[NW Bolt Fan]

As usual my comment went right over your head. Ha!I'm glad to see you can laugh off that type of recent humiliation. Good job.:thumbsup:

[Northman]

I'm glad to see you can laugh off that type of recent humiliation. Good job.:thumbsup:

With 2 Super Bowl trophies its not hard to laugh off a game like that. :thumbsup:

[NW Bolt Fan]

With 2 Super Bowl trophies its not hard to laugh off a game like that. :thumbsup:No doubt it's easier to regress back 10+ years ago... The present can be such a drag-










For Donk fans.

[Popps]

Hey, let's "regress" a little further....

:rofl: :giggle: ;D :rofl: !Booya! :giggle:

http://imgs.sfgate.com/sports/49ers/pictures/2000/06/09/young-95superbowl.jpg

[Popps]

Hey, Bolt Fan... just to show there's no hard feelings, I've compiled a list of the Chargers greatest achievements....
























.

[Popps]

Leave The Chargers Alone!!!!!!!!


http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/chris-crocker.jpg

[Popps]

You're right Bolt Fan, let's keep it more recent...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xi63W5CD5bs&feature=related

[Northman]

Hey, Bolt Fan... just to show there's no hard feelings, I've compiled a list of the Chargers greatest achievements....
























.


:rofl: Bwahahahahahahahahaaa!

End thread.

[Northman]

No doubt it's easier to regress back 10+ years ago... The past, present, and future can be such a drag without any championships-










For Charger fans.


Fixed it for ya. :sunshine:

[NW Bolt Fan]

Hey, Bolt Fan... just to show there's no hard feelings, I've compiled a list of the Chargers greatest achievements....
























.
Nice. And eerily similar to donk future without Mr. Donk himself.

[NW Bolt Fan]

At the least, I must say, you donk fans are entertaining. In all seriousness, have a happy 4th. Cheers.

[Bronco LB 59]

Philip Rivers has old man skills, ala Drew Bledsoe and Bernie Kosar. At the most, he has maybe four, five years left as a starter.

[Popps]

At the least, I must say, you donk fans are entertaining. In all seriousness, have a happy 4th. Cheers.

Same to you. Now, go to Qualcomm and see some fireworks or something. Get some good use out of that stadium.

:yayaya:

[JJJ]

Historically you can never say the Dolts are a better team.

Broncos 2 Championships, 10 Division Titles.
Bolts 1 Championship, 13 Division Titles.

Bolts are nothing until they win a SB, totally agree, other than a historically entertaining and fun team to watch.

But if we can win one in the next 2 or 3 years the historical view will change pretty quickly I think.

[Popps]

Broncos 2 Championships, 10 Division Titles.
Bolts 1 Championship, 13 Division Titles.

Bolts are nothing until they win a SB, totally agree, other than a historically entertaining and fun team to watch.

But if we can win one in the next 2 or 3 years the historical view will change pretty quickly I think.

Broncos Superbowl Appearances: 6
Chargers: 1

All-time winning percentage:
Broncos .529
Chargers: .493


Let's not get silly with or selective history revision. The Chargers are a fly on the ass of all-time NFL story.

[BroncosinDC]

So wait SD has never won anything besides a donkey show in TG? God bless the chargers and the donkeys ass they violated.

[JJJ]

Broncos Superbowl Appearances: 6
Chargers: 1

All-time winning percentage:
Broncos .529
Chargers: .493


Let's not get silly with or selective history revision. The Chargers are a fly on the ass of all-time NFL story.

Other than inventing the modern forward passing game that makes the game what it is, you may be right. Sid Gilman is the father of it all. Coryell re-invented the game again. Your legacy is cut blocking.

Until you guys won your recent SBs you were part of the lovable loser gang yourselves with 4 exceedingly embarrassing SB losses and the goofiest uniform of all-time. Historically, we have 7 HOF players/coaches, you have 2. Only the Bucs, Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Jags, and Saints have less so can't really claim you have been making a lot of history.

Just saying Bolts put up even one SB win and there will be very little daylight between the historical significance of these teams. Until then, boast away, you have earned it.

[BMarsh615]

Do Charger fans really think Norvel Eugene Turner is going to lead them to the promise land with Cry me a River as his quarterback?

[Northman]

Other than inventing the modern forward passing game that makes the game what it is, you may be right. Sid Gilman is the father of it all. Coryell re-invented the game again. Your legacy is cut blocking.

Until you guys won your recent SBs you were part of the lovable loser gang yourselves with 4 exceedingly embarrassing SB losses and the goofiest uniform of all-time. Historically, we have 7 HOF players/coaches, you have 2. Only the Bucs, Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Jags, and Saints have less so can't really claim you have been making a lot of history.

Just saying Bolts put up even one SB win and there will be very little daylight between the historical significance of these teams. Until then, boast away, you have earned it.


Damn right we've earned it. Now go back in you hole.

[400HZ]

Do Charger fans really think Norvel Eugene Turner is going to lead them to the promise land with Cry me a River as his quarterback?

Superbowl and beyond, baby!

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/252526.jpg

[Memento]

Superbowl and beyond, baby!

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/252526.jpg

No, he's pointing out the Fizzler's motto: "To Haplessness and Beyond!"

[Paladin]

Nah. He's just pointing out the path to the potty for Phyllis........

[DHallblows]

Other than inventing the modern forward passing game that makes the game what it is, you may be right. Sid Gilman is the father of it all. Coryell re-invented the game again. Your legacy is cut blocking.

Until you guys won your recent SBs you were part of the lovable loser gang yourselves with 4 exceedingly embarrassing SB losses and the goofiest uniform of all-time. Historically, we have 7 HOF players/coaches, you have 2. Only the Bucs, Seahawks, Falcons, Panthers, Bengals, Jags, and Saints have less so can't really claim you have been making a lot of history.

Just saying Bolts put up even one SB win and there will be very little daylight between the historical significance of these teams. Until then, boast away, you have earned it.

First of all, don't just shrug off cut blocking like it's nothing. That combined with zone blocking (sigh, I'm too young to know if we pioneered either of those) has reinvented running in it's own way. ANYONE can get 1000 yards with our system. Ask Olandis Gary :~ohyah!:

The SB losses just prove how much better the NFC was at the time. That doesn't change the face we've been the best team in the AFC 6 different times.

And quoting HOF players is bull****. With the ****ing biases in the football world, I'm shocked we have anyone in there. Everyone on this forum is well aware we've had more HOF players than what the HOF currently says

[NW Bolt Fan]

Do Charger fans really think Norvel Eugene Turner is going to lead them to the promise land with Cry me a River as his quarterback?More than once.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Nah. He's just pointing out the path to the potty for Phyllis........PR doesn't need to know where the "potty" is when in Denver. He'll just **** on your field; gotta do something to match the play of the donks.

[NW Bolt Fan]

First of all, don't just shrug off cut blocking like it's nothing. That combined with zone blocking (sigh, I'm too young to know if we pioneered either of those) has reinvented running in it's own way. ANYONE can get 1000 yards with our system. Ask Olandis Gary :~ohyah!: Of course it never hurts when you're knocking out pro bowlers from opposing squads for the remainder of the season...

The SB losses just prove how much better the NFC was at the time. That doesn't change the face we've been the best team in the AFC 6 different times.Or how much you guys actually relied, almost singlehandedly on Elway.

And quoting HOF players is bull****. With the ****ing biases in the football world, I'm shocked we have anyone in there. Everyone on this forum is well aware we've had more HOF players than what the HOF currently saysI'll give you this. But all aside, if it weren't for Elway, you'd have ZERO appearances. Too many of you seem to think you're entitled to supremacy because of HIS legacy. You're now realizing just how hard it is to reach the pinnacle... And Jay ain't the answer- or more importantly- the RAT, ain't the answer.

[cabronco]

I know I look physically and mentally challenged, but so does our quarterback !!! Baby baby !!http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/25/252526.jpg


Now thats a fugly looking pix.

[DenverBrit]

And Jay ain't the answer- or more importantly- the RAT, ain't the answer.


Oh, right, SD is the NFL model for SB success, so you guys can lecture on how to win one.
That would be like taking financial advice from someone who can't balance their checkbook. Hilarious!

[NW Bolt Fan]

Oh, right, SD is the NFL model for SB success, so you guys can lecture on how win one.
That would be like taking financial advice from someone who can't balance their checkbook. Hilarious!It's more like investing in a conservative, slow growth fund who has seen some dips, but has been in the black for awhile now with nearly every financial analyst giving them a 5 star rating vs. investing in the dot.com boom which was great while it lasted (Elway) but now it's time to pay the piper. True losses were delayed with shady moves, but now the weaknesses can no longer be hidden from investors... Hey, look at the bright side, you'll probably lose a couple bandwagon fans you accumilated during Elway's reign.

[Northman]

Oh, right, SD is the NFL model for SB success, so you guys can lecture on how win one.
That would be like taking financial advice from someone who can't balance their checkbook. Hilarious!


Yea, no kidding right? He pretty much lost any credibility he had with that garbage talk.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Yea, no kidding right? He pretty much lost any credibility he had with that garbage talk.You mean I had credibility??? Ha! Context, brah.

[orange 4 life]

Or how much you guys actually relied, almost singlehandedly on Elway.

I'll give you this. But all aside, if it weren't for Elway, you'd have ZERO appearances. Too many of you seem to think you're entitled to supremacy because of HIS legacy. You're now realizing just how hard it is to reach the pinnacle... And Jay ain't the answer- or more importantly- the RAT, ain't the answer.

well, elway had nothing to do with the orange crush team of '77, so ill dispute that assertion.

as for the other 5, i agree completely, and we did rely almost singlehandedly (his first 10+ seasons and first 3 superbowls) on elway.

so? is there a point there?

we had the best qb to ever play the game, and he carried the team.
at the end of the day, he still carried us to 5 afc championships and 2 world championships.
the fact that none of it wouldve happened without him doesnt bother me at all. makes me kinda proud actually.

jake

[DenverBrit]

It's more like investing in a conservative, slow growth fund who has seen some dips, but has been in the black for awhile now with nearly every financial analyst giving them a 5 star rating vs. investing in the dot.com boom which was great while it lasted (Elway) but now it's time to pay the piper. True losses were delayed with shady moves, but now the weaknesses can no longer be hidden from investors... Hey, look at the bright side, you'll probably lose a couple bandwagon fans you accumilated during Elway's reign.

Still can't balance your checkbook. Ha!

[DHallblows]

Of course it never hurts when you're knocking out pro bowlers from opposing squads for the remainder of the season...

You're a fool. I'm sorry you're upset that our LEGAL blocks actually work. When we chop block (like every other team) we get penalized so stfu.

And going off your logic, I'll confidently say the only reason your team is any good is because you're all on steroids. See, I can do idiotic team stereotyping too! HOORAY!!! :charge:

[NW Bolt Fan]

well, elway had nothing to do with the orange crush team of '77, so ill dispute that assertion.

as for the other 5, i agree completely, and we did rely almost singlehandedly (his first 10+ seasons and first 3 superbowls) on elway.

so? is there a point there?

we had the best qb to ever play the game, and he carried the team.
at the end of the day, he still carried us to 5 afc championships and 2 world championships.
the fact that none of it wouldve happened without him doesnt bother me at all. makes me kinda proud actually.

jakeYeah, you kinda proved my point. You did virtually nothing without the best QB to ever play the game... Without him, your franchise is actually a good bit worse than ours- but I guess that's how it works. People yap about, "well, without LT you guys would be nothing..." which is actually incorrect. As I've said before, he brought us out of the cellar and to a certain degree of respectability- but he's no longer the most important player on the team- despite what media and other clowns may say.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Still can't balance your checkbook. Ha!After that $5 futures bet on the Bolts pays off, I won't need to... !Booya!

[NW Bolt Fan]

You're a fool. I'm sorry you're upset that our LEGAL blocks actually work. When we chop block (like every other team) we get penalized so stfu.

And going off your logic, I'll confidently say the only reason your team is any good is because you're all on steroids. See, I can do idiotic team stereotyping too! HOORAY!!! :charge:You're ignorant. I have no problem with the legal donk blocks. Hell, Hardwick's bread and butter is cut-blocking. It's players like Romanowski who intentionally injure opponents that I have a problem with... i.e. Steve Herndon who dove at the back of Jamal Williams legs away from the play, broke his ankle, and knocked him out for 8+ games.

Sometimes the punishment doesn't fit the crime, capeesh? See the difference between my "idiotic" stereotyping and your BS? Thought so.

[Blueflame]

Yeah, you kinda proved my point. You did virtually nothing without the best QB to ever play the game... Without him, your franchise is actually a good bit worse than ours- but I guess that's how it works. People yap about, "well, without LT you guys would be nothing..." which is actually incorrect. As I've said before, he brought us out of the cellar and to a certain degree of respectability- but he's no longer the most important player on the team- despite what media and other clowns may say.

Funny... a Boltz fan just assured me yesterday that if LT had been healthy, the Boltz would have beaten the Pats in the AFCC game January 20.

(yes, LT still is the most important player on your team.)

[Lolad]

forget him

[DHallblows]

You're ignorant. I have no problem with the legal donk blocks. Hell, Hardwick's bread and butter is cut-blocking. It's players like Romanowski who intentionally injure opponents that I have a problem with... i.e. Steve Herndon who dove at the back of Jamal Williams legs away from the play, broke his ankle, and knocked him out for 8+ games.

Sometimes the punishment doesn't fit the crime, capeesh? See the difference between my "idiotic" stereotyping and your BS? Thought so.

Steve Herndon was/is an awful player and did that out of stupidity. I can assure you he wasn't taught to do that. And for the Mane's feelings on Romo, see the "Least Favorite Bronco" thread.
And I'm glad one incident of knocking out a player is enough for you to say we get 1000 yard backs that way...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hope Phyllis Rivers' Mom Likes Him...

I'm sure she believes he can do no wrong.

The only question is whether she removes the Lucky Strike from her lips before yelling at him to straighten up his room.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Yeah, you kinda proved my point. You did virtually nothing without the best QB to ever play the game... Without him, your franchise is actually a good bit worse than ours- but I guess that's how it works. People yap about, "well, without LT you guys would be nothing..." which is actually incorrect. As I've said before, he brought us out of the cellar and to a certain degree of respectability- but he's no longer the most important player on the team- despite what media and other clowns may say.

ok, not to start a bunch of ****. but seriously, who on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball is more important than LT?

without him ur team is screwed

[rovolution]

Steve Herndon was/is an awful player and did that out of stupidity. I can assure you he wasn't taught to do that. And for the Mane's feelings on Romo, see the "Least Favorite Bronco" thread.
And I'm glad one incident of knocking out a player is enough for you to say we get 1000 yard backs that way...

speak for yourself...

I loved Romo. The passion, the fire...
he loved the game and you could tell. he brought the fire and passion when he suited up in the orange and blue.

Chugger fans are hypocrites. Steroidmen and Phillips tried to purposely inflict injuries upon Cutler a number of times last season. I saw a lot of late hits on Jay C by those two.

[Blueflame]

speak for yourself...

I loved Romo. The passion, the fire...
he loved the game and you could tell. he brought the fire and passion when he suited up in the orange and blue.

Chugger fans are hypocrites. Steroidmen and Phillips tried to purposely inflict injuries upon Cutler a number of times last season. I saw a lot of late hits on Jay C by those two.

Igor Olshansky is no sweet innocent angel either.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Funny... a Boltz fan just assured me yesterday that if LT had been healthy, the Boltz would have beaten the Pats in the AFCC game January 20.

(yes, LT still is the most important player on your team.)
We probably would have. But we were still competitive without him- against the great pats, in there house, in the AFCCG. I never said he's not a great player. I just said we're no longer dependent on him. There was a time that if he'd gone down, our season would have been done. Now, we'd still have a shot.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Steve Herndon was/is an awful player and did that out of stupidity. I can assure you he wasn't taught to do that. And for the Mane's feelings on Romo, see the "Least Favorite Bronco" thread.
And I'm glad one incident of knocking out a player is enough for you to say we get 1000 yard backs that way...You also had some good O-linemen...

[NW Bolt Fan]

ok, not to start a bunch of ****. but seriously, who on the OFFENSIVE side of the ball is more important than LT?

without him ur team is screwedTake a wild guess...

[NW Bolt Fan]

speak for yourself...

I loved Romo. The passion, the fire...
he loved the game and you could tell. he brought the fire and passion when he suited up in the orange and blue.

Chugger fans are hypocrites. Steroidmen and Phillips tried to purposely inflict injuries upon Cutler a number of times last season. I saw a lot of late hits on Jay C by those two.Definitely the :homer: in you that saw Merriman and Phillips "purposefully" trying to inflict injuries on cutlet. If sacking him equates to "purposefully" inflicting injuries on the guy, well, then...

And you ought to know the difference between playing with passion and fire, and intentionally trying to hurt someone. But I'm guessing you're make-up is a little closer in line with the patriot ilk. Anything for a victory...

[NW Bolt Fan]

Igor Olshansky is no sweet innocent angel either.LOL After the tape was reviewed, who got the hit by the league? Call me biased, but if I've just had knee surgery, and a play is dead, and a guy dives at my knees after the play is over, I"d be, understandably upset.

[CoopDawg]

And you ought to know the difference between playing with passion and fire, and intentionally trying to hurt someone. But I'm guessing you're make-up is a little closer in line with the patriot ilk. Anything for a victory...

And you and Merriman ought to know the difference between training durign the offseason and taking steroids. That kind of degenerate behavior is much closer to the Patriots win no matter what attitude. The Chargers have certainly been the better team in division for the past two years but Merriman is a proven cheater. Not to mention what a prissy moron Phillip Rivers is, call me when you guys win a Super Bowl.

[NW Bolt Fan]

And you and Merriman ought to know the difference between training durign the offseason and taking steroids. That kind of degenerate behavior is much closer to the Patriots win no matter what attitude. The Chargers have certainly been the better team in division for the past two years but Merriman is a proven cheater. Not to mention what a prissy moron Phillip Rivers is, call me when you guys win a Super Bowl.It can't be denied, he was "caught" using a banned substance. However, he's been tested more than once a week since the occurrence happened in August of '06... Don't kid yourself thinking every donk player is clean. Hardly the stuff pats are guilty of. Give me your number- I'll be calling you this February.

It's always funny when a young donk fan gets up in arms about another team cheating... ROFL!

[Inkana7]

I just have a gut feeling that NW Bolt Fan has a blowup doll of Philip Rivers hidden under his bed next to his Yu Gi Oh cards..

[Paladin]

Yeah, he/she/it does have an obsession......

[Blueflame]

We probably would have. But we were still competitive without him- against the great pats, in there house, in the AFCCG. I never said he's not a great player. I just said we're no longer dependent on him. There was a time that if he'd gone down, our season would have been done. Now, we'd still have a shot.

Know what? Even with a healthy LT, the game would still have had to be played. And the Boltz would have had to earn the win. Maybe they would have and maybe not. Who's to say? Sure we can speculate, but in the end, that and a buck and a half might get you a cup of coffee.

The football gods have smiled on LT... he's remained relatively healthy for a long time. Your chances of winning with him on the field are much better than the odds of a Boltz win without him... he's the best player on your roster. That's not even up for debate.

[Blueflame]

LOL After the tape was reviewed, who got the hit by the league? Call me biased, but if I've just had knee surgery, and a play is dead, and a guy dives at my knees after the play is over, I"d be, understandably upset.

While you're focusing on one specific play, my post referred to the game in general. And the point stands.

[rovolution]

LOL After the tape was reviewed, who got the hit by the league? Call me biased, but if I've just had knee surgery, and a play is dead, and a guy dives at my knees after the play is over, I"d be, understandably upset.

well then maybe Igor shouldnt have been punching Cooper Carslise in the kidneys after the whistle had been blown.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Take a wild guess...

Antonio Gates? LT's backup? those are my guesses

[BlaK-Argentina]

Give me your number- I'll be calling you this February.


You're jumping the gun there, buddy.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I just have a gut feeling that NW Bolt Fan has a blowup doll of Philip Rivers hidden under his bed next to his Yu Gi Oh cards..
More O'mane perv fantasies... It never stops.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Yeah, he/she/it does have an obsession......Touche. :afro:

[NW Bolt Fan]

Antonio Gates? LT's backup? those are my guesses*buzzer*

[NW Bolt Fan]

The football gods have smiled on LT... he's remained relatively healthy for a long time. Your chances of winning with him on the field are much better than the odds of a Boltz win without him... he's the best player on your roster. That's not even up for debate.I agree with the first part of this statement. And I'll say the latter part used to be true, but IS most defintely up for debate now. We've got some pretty good players- outside of LT. And one, who may not dominate the position like LT does, but is also most definitely linked to the overall success of this team on offense. He gets the ball nearly every offensive snap- and he ain't the center.

[NW Bolt Fan]

well then maybe Igor shouldnt have been punching Cooper Carslise in the kidneys after the whistle had been blown.Which game? I"ve got 'em on tape, and I'll re-watch. I'm not declining he goes past the whistle, but I've never noticed it.

[theAPAOps5]

Except LT's backup is now a starter elsewhere. But Gates is awesome can't take that away from SD

[NW Bolt Fan]

Except LT's backup is now a starter elsewhere. But Gates is awesome can't take that away from SDTurner's got his work cut out for him... That O-line in ATL is going to make denver's '07 squad look like pro-bowlers. And there's a few others on the Bolts squad to mention, like Jamal, Cromartie, Merriman... Or, on offense, Dielman, RIVERS etc.

[OOJack]

Turner's got his work cut out for him... That O-line in ATL is going to make denver's '07 squad look like pro-bowlers. And there's a few others on the Bolts squad to mention, like Jamal, Cromartie, Merriman... Or, on offense, Dielman, RIVERS etc.

RIVERS SUCKS, and so do YOU, etc...

[NW Bolt Fan]

RIVERS SUCKS, and so do YOU, etc...
:welcome:

Ha!

:strong:

[Blueflame]

I agree with the first part of this statement. And I'll say the latter part used to be true, but IS most defintely up for debate now. We've got some pretty good players- outside of LT. And one, who may not dominate the position like LT does, but is also most definitely linked to the overall success of this team on offense. He gets the ball nearly every offensive snap- and he ain't the center.

In Week One ('08), the opposing DC will be looking into ways of stopping your offense. And whether you want to believe it or not, his primary concern will still be LT; not Rivers.

[NW Bolt Fan]

In Week One ('08), the opposing DC will be looking into ways of stopping your offense. And whether you want to believe it or not, his primary concern will still be LT; not Rivers.For every game, opposing DCs better be concerned with stopping the run and passing game, or they won't be DC-ing for long...

[OABB]

For every game, opposing DCs better be concerned with stopping the run and passing game, or they won't be DC-ing for long...

Most dc's don't have the luxury of a dominant d that can handle the run and pass at the same time. most dc's focus on a teams strength (lt)and try to take it away so that it's weaker parts (rivers...) are forced to carry the team.

If you were a dc, how would you play the chargers? would you seriously worry about phillip rivers? you needn't worry. if you watch game film, you would notice that even the scent of pressure turns him into rick mirer.

8 in the box, constant blitzing and watch him cry.

if you play him soft, he will hurt you. hell, my grandmother would hurt you with the amount of time she would get in the pocket with that oline, and lt and gatesalways there to bail her out.

remember, volek won the indy game at the end.

yes, that's right, billy volek.

[Blueflame]

For every game, opposing DCs better be concerned with stopping the run and passing game, or they won't be DC-ing for long...

Nonetheless, LT's 1949 yards from scrimmage led the team in '07 (it was very close to 2x the closest other offensive player's total... Gates' 984) and I really don't see much reason for that to change in '08. He was easily your offensive MVP and Norv will continue to ride that workhorse.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Most dc's don't have the luxury of a dominant d that can handle the run and pass at the same time. most dc's focus on a teams strength (lt)and try to take it away so that it's weaker parts (rivers...) are forced to carry the team.

If you were a dc, how would you play the chargers? would you seriously worry about phillip rivers? you needn't worry. if you watch game film, you would notice that even the scent of pressure turns him into rick mirer.

8 in the box, constant blitzing and watch him cry.

if you play him soft, he will hurt you. hell, my grandmother would hurt you with the amount of time she would get in the pocket with that oline, and lt and gatesalways there to bail her out.

remember, volek won the indy game at the end.

yes, that's right, billy volek.You are correct. Volek helped:
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
P. Rivers 14/19 264 3 1
B. Volek 3/4 48 0 0
As for how I'd defend the Bolts- it's kind of pick your poison. Most teams DO stop LT first, and Rivers then picks them apart. Really, the best defense is going to be better offense.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Nonetheless, LT's 1949 yards from scrimmage led the team in '07 (it was very close to 2x the closest other offensive player's total... Gates' 984) and I really don't see much reason for that to change in '08. He was easily your offensive MVP and Norv will continue to ride that workhorse.How many teams RB's don't lead their team in yards from scrimmage? About 500 of his yards were receieving. Rivers has thrown 20+ TDs and 3k+ yards both years starting. He's not a detriment. LT is great- I'll never argue otherwise. However, I will say, that our team will suffer the most if on offense Rivers is knocked out, or on defense Jamal is knocked out. You may not agree, but it is what it is.

[Inkana7]

NW Bolt Fan defines obsession way past the man-love/fan loyalty stage. It's creepy.

[NW Bolt Fan]

NW Bolt Fan defines obsession way past the man-love/fan loyalty stage. It's creepy.Because Inkana realizes Rivers is better than cutlet, he must resort to weak personal attacks...

[OABB]

LT is great- I'll never argue otherwise. However, I will say, that our team will suffer the most if on offense Rivers is knocked out

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best homer statement ever.

[NW Bolt Fan]

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best homer statement ever.Why thank you. Unfortunately you, like many of your cronies here, are victims of listening to what the talking heads tell you. You simply don't realize exactly how good he is.

One test of a QB is how much better, or in some cases worse, he can make the teammates around him. Are the Chargers better than they've been in the past? Certainly they are in Denver.

[OOJack]

Why thank you. Unfortunately you, like many of your cronies here, are victims of listening to what the talking heads tell you. You simply don't realize exactly how good he is.

One test of a QB is how much better, or in some cases worse, he can make the teammates around him. Are the Chargers better than they've been in the past? Certainly they are in Denver.

You have seriously got to be kidding me... You seem smart enough to realize your QB has serious issues. I've said this before, he is second rate; 20/32, maybe more, teams in this league wouldn't start his weak arm over their current situations. HE DUMPS OFF TO LT!!! You might as well have the fullback playing QB for you. You're an oblivious Homer my friend. The real question is will you be on this forum when your Cheaters go back to being the bottom feeders of the AFCWest?

[OABB]

Why thank you. Unfortunately you, like many of your cronies here, are victims of listening to what the talking heads tell you. You simply don't realize exactly how good he is.

One test of a QB is how much better, or in some cases worse, he can make the teammates around him. Are the Chargers better than they've been in the past? Certainly they are in Denver.

true, except in san diego(and other cases in league history) it is actually the opposite.

a test of a good team is do they make their weaker players better?

did brad johnson make the bucs super bowl caliber? did dilfer make baltimore sb caliber? did eli manning make the giants sb caliber?

if your backup qb can come in during a playoff game against the defending world champs and still win the game, chances are your defense, special teams, and running game are pretty strong.

do you really think if rivers qb'd the detroit lions, they would all of the sudden be a playoff caliber team?

actually you probably do....

thanks again for this insanity, it has made me laugh out loud many times.

[NW Bolt Fan]

You have seriously got to be kidding me... You seem smart enough to realize your QB has serious issues. I've said this before, he is second rate; 20/32, maybe more, teams in this league wouldn't start his weak arm over their current situations. HE DUMPS OFF TO LT!!! You might as well have the fullback playing QB for you. You're an oblivious Homer my friend. The real question is will you be on this forum when your Cheaters go back to being the bottom feeders of the AFCWest?
Brees dumped it off to LT more often- actually a critique I have of PR- he doesn't use that option enough. I've said it before, I always come back, good, bad, and in the middle. The 'mane is entertaining.

PR is no Elway... but he's a LOT better than most here will credit him for.

[NW Bolt Fan]

true, except in san diego(and other cases in league history) it is actually the opposite.

a test of a good team is do they make their weaker players better?

did brad johnson make the bucs super bowl caliber? did dilfer make baltimore sb caliber? did eli manning make the giants sb caliber?

if your backup qb can come in during a playoff game against the defending world champs and still win the game, chances are your defense, special teams, and running game are pretty strong.

do you really think if rivers qb'd the detroit lions, they would all of the sudden be a playoff caliber team?

actually you probably do....

thanks again for this insanity, it has made me laugh out loud many times.
I'd argue that each of those QBs you mentioned above DID make their teams playoff caliber. Are they/were they the best QBs in the league- no. Am I arguing PR is the best in the league? No. Is he better than John Kitna- YES. So, if he doesn't make the Lions a playoff team he certainly makes them better.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Let me see if I can understand your thinking. What is it, specifically, that makes Rivers such a BAD QB?

[OOJack]

Brees dumped it off to LT more often- actually a critique I have of PR- he doesn't use that option enough. I've said it before, I always come back, good, bad, and in the middle. The 'mane is entertaining.

PR is no Elway... but he's a LOT better than most here will credit him for.

Good, cause I hate bandwagoners. I was in SD for a Bolt/Broncs game back in like 2002 and Qualcomm looked like the Broncos 2nd home stadium. When SD started competing again, I saw more SD fans in NorCal than I had the entire 10 years I lived there.

[GarretBarnes]

He is the absolute worst! I think he is a no good punk who doesn't deserve to be on the Chargers or any other NFL team.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Good, cause I hate bandwagoners. I was in SD for a Bolt/Broncs game back in like 2002 and Qualcomm looked like the Broncos 2nd home stadium. When SD started competing again, I saw more SD fans in NorCal than I had the entire 10 years I lived there.It's a fairweather city- that's nothing new. Part of the "price to pay" when you have 70 degree weather, beaches, and a million other things to do... But, even places like Arrowhead and Invesco start emptying out when the team sucks. Difference is, no one travels TO those locations as part of a vacation- while also catching their favorite team on the road.

[OABB]

I'd argue that each of those QBs you mentioned above DID make their teams playoff caliber. Are they/were they the best QBs in the league- no. Am I arguing PR is the best in the league? No. Is he better than John Kitna- YES. So, if he doesn't make the Lions a playoff team he certainly makes them better.

I don't think anyone would dispute that rivers is better than kitna...

I came into this argument because you were saying that rivers is more valuable than lt to your offense. that is insanity no matter how you try and justify it.

as a lifetime bronco fan, even the goat john elway couldn't win the big one by himself. a team needs defense, special teams, and a good running game to be succesfull. even a great qb by himslef(marino) will never win the big one.
I know that it was terrell davis and our zone blocking scheme that made us world champions. We won games with bubby freaking brister....

rivers is adequate, might win a game or two single handidly, but is he the reason for sd's success? NO. it's LT and that front seven on d.

[NW Bolt Fan]

He is the absolute worst! I think he is a no good punk who doesn't deserve to be on the Chargers or any other NFL team.
Brilliant- AND insightful.

[OOJack]

It's a fairweather city- that's nothing new. Part of the "price to pay" when you have 70 degree weather, beaches, and a million other things to do... But, even places like Arrowhead and Invesco start emptying out when the team sucks. Difference is, no one travels TO those locations as part of a vacation- while also catching their favorite team on the road.

Interesting, I can't remember the last time Mile High/Invesco did NOT sell out. And yeah, CO doesn't have the best skiing in the nation, which is why no one ever vacations here. Dude, you're killing more and more...

[NW Bolt Fan]

I don't think anyone would dispute that rivers is better than kitna...

I came into this argument because you were saying that rivers is more valuable than lt to your offense. that is insanity no matter how you try and justify it.

as a lifetime bronco fan, even the goat john elway couldn't win the big one by himself. a team needs defense, special teams, and a good running game to be succesfull. even a great qb by himslef(marino) will never win the big one.
I know that it was terrell davis and our zone blocking scheme that made us world champions. We won games with bubby freaking brister....

rivers is adequate, might win a game or two single handidly, but is he the reason for sd's success? NO. it's LT and that front seven on d.Goat? I'm assuming you meant great. Anyhow, I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the LT vs PR bit. LT is a great player. Maybe the best to ever wear a lightning bolt, BUT with that said, we'd suffer more if RIvers were knocked out than LT precisely because of what your'e saying. The rest of the TEAM is good- even great. Look what Michael Turner did behind our O-line. QB is the most important position on the team. We've still got very good recievers, a great D, excellent special teams... etc. There's a reason we're not have a competition at the QB position between Rivers and Volek. Rivers is GOOD. He's not great yet, but he has the capacity. If he didn't mouth off and rub it in Denver's face when we won there'd be a whole different take on him... People don't like his personality and equate that to his teammates not liking his personality- simply ain't true.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Interesting, I can't remember the last time Mile High/Invesco did NOT sell out. And yeah, CO doesn't have the best skiing in the nation, which is why no one ever vacations here. Dude, you're killing more and more...Well how full was your stadium middle of the 3rd quarter when we played you there last year. And skiing ain't IN Denver. But go ahead and sell it as a vacay destination in line with SD. :thumbs:

[broncofan2438]

Good, cause I hate bandwagoners. I was in SD for a Bolt/Broncs game back in like 2002 and Qualcomm looked like the Broncos 2nd home stadium. When SD started competing again, I saw more SD fans in NorCal than I had the entire 10 years I lived there.

I totally feel ya here, I hate that as well, but whatever. I was also there for a game back a few years ago and it was like another Mile High in San Diego.

[OOJack]

Well how full was your stadium middle of the 3rd quarter when we played you there last year. And skiing ain't IN Denver. But go ahead and sell it as a vacay destination in line with SD. :thumbs:

It was half full. I'd say that's as good as you're going to get at any stadium in the nation. If it were a reversed situation, you could have heard Rivers yelling at LT and LT crying under his face mask. Btw, Denver has the closest world class skiing destinations than any other major city in the US. I'll exclude Seattle, since BC is outside the US and Seattle is a piece of $hit city anyways. AND, Denver has more sunny days by far than your FOGGY SD. Yes, FOGGY, and you know it, I've been there multiple times to take advantage of your women.

[broncofan2438]

Actually Co does have some great skiing, not sure what your talking about

[Northman]

Well how full was your stadium middle of the 3rd quarter when we played you there last year.

Yea, one game where we were getting blown out doesnt really qualify as "not filling the stadium" on a regular basis unlike SD.

[Eldorado]

Goat? I'm assuming you meant great. Anyhow, I agree with everything you said EXCEPT the LT vs PR bit. LT is a great player. Maybe the best to ever wear a lightning bolt, BUT with that said, we'd suffer more if RIvers were knocked out than LT precisely because of what your'e saying. The rest of the TEAM is good- even great. Look what Michael Turner did behind our O-line. QB is the most important position on the team. We've still got very good recievers, a great D, excellent special teams... etc. There's a reason we're not have a competition at the QB position between Rivers and Volek. Rivers is GOOD. He's not great yet, but he has the capacity. If he didn't mouth off and rub it in Denver's face when we won there'd be a whole different take on him... People don't like his personality and equate that to his teammates not liking his personality- simply ain't true.

Goat. Greatest Of All Time. Wouldn't expect a chugger fan to be familiar with that acronym.

[NW Bolt Fan]

It was half full. I'd say that's as good as you're going to get at any stadium in nation. If it were a reversed situation, you could have heard Rivers yelling at LT and LT crying under his face mask. Btw, Denver has the closest world class skiing destinations than any other major city in the US. I'll exclude Seattle, since BC is outside the US and Seattle is piece of $hit city anyways. AND, Denver has more sunny days by far than your FOGGY SD. Yes, FOGGY, and you know it, I've been there multiple times to take advantage of your women.Oh yeah, Denver is much sunnier than SD. MUCH. The women are fine in SD. ;D Too bad you got the snaggle toothed ones. FTR, I haven't lived in SD for over a decade.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Actually Co does have some great skiing, not sure what your talking about
Colorado does, Denver doesn't dipstick. Get it? Montana, Wyoming, New Mexico, California, Utah... blah blah blah

[NW Bolt Fan]

Yea, one game where we were getting blown out doesnt really qualify as "not filling the stadium" on a regular basis unlike SD.As I said, not much else to do in Denver. Or KC. Or Cleveland. You get the point.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Goat. Greatest Of All Time. Wouldn't expect a chugger fan to be familiar with that acronym.Ah so I see. Well I do now. Thanks for pointing it out. It'll work well for LT.

[Eldorado]

Lawrence Taylor is a fine example.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Lawrence Taylor is a fine example.
LOL Nice. Unfortunately we've got TWO players making him nothing more than a fading memory.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Yea, one game where we were getting blown out doesnt really qualify as "not filling the stadium" on a regular basis unlike SD.You also should really read the page prior:

But, even places like Arrowhead and Invesco start emptying out when the team sucks.

[OOJack]

Colorado does, Denver doesn't dipstick. Get it? Montana, Wyoming, New Mexico, California, Utah... blah blah blah

You're missing the point, you also should really read the prior post Cheater fan:

Btw, Denver has the closest world class skiing destinations than any other major city in the US. I'll exclude Seattle, since BC is outside the US and Seattle is piece of $hit city anyways.

[OOJack]

Btw, NW Bolt Fan, why haven't you responded on the ESPN - QB ranking 11-32 thread. I created it for you and the rest of your Mane loving Dolt fan boys.

[NW Bolt Fan]

You're missing the point, you also should really read the prior post Cheater fan:
Hilarious! Nice try dumb ****. I was responding to donkey2438- who responded to MY post... I said there's no great skiing IN Denver. His response was, yeah, there is great skiing in CO.

See the difference? :flower:

Really it's funny watching some of you play semantics so you can find something I was wrong about. Fact is, Rivers kicks ass, and he's spanked the donks everytime he's played them, and its only a trend that's going to continue, and you CAN'T STAND IT. :~ohyah!:

[Inkana7]

Well how full was your stadium middle of the 3rd quarter when we played you there last year. And skiing ain't IN Denver. But go ahead and sell it as a vacay destination in line with SD. :thumbs:

All of Southern California is a piece of ****. San Diego just happens to look better because LA is the cesspool of humanity.

[Eldorado]

LOL Nice. Unfortunately we've got TWO players making him nothing more than a fading memory.

Which brings me to my second point, kids. Don't do crack.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Btw, NW Bolt Fan, why haven't you responded on the ESPN - QB ranking 11-32 thread. I created it for you and the rest of your Mane loving Dolt fan boys.Haven't seen it, and could care less what ESPN's QB ranking is.

I don't care if he's ranked 33rd out of 32 teams. We win. We win more with him than we did with Brees. We win more with him than we did anyone else before that, save Humphries, and before him Fouts. So, I don't really care how much hatred there is for him.

He's only played 2 years, and he's getting better. And some (albeit a very small percentage on this board) recognize it- but just like espin's QB rankings- it matters not.

[Inkana7]

Hilarious! Nice try dumb ****. I was responding to donkey2438- who responded to MY post... I said there's no great skiing IN Denver. His response was, yeah, there is great skiing in CO.

See the difference? :flower:

Really it's funny watching some of you play semantics so you can find something I was wrong about. Fact is, Rivers kicks ass, and he's spanked the donks everytime he's played them, and its only a trend that's going to continue, and you CAN'T STAND IT. :~ohyah!:

http://www.boscovs.com/wcsstore/boscovs/images/store/product/images/05973898410651.jpg

[NW Bolt Fan]

All of Southern California is a piece of ****. San Diego just happens to look better because LA is the cesspool of humanity.Terrible city planning- I'll agree to that. And now they're ****ed with rising energy prices.

[OOJack]

Hilarious! Nice try dumb ****. I was responding to donkey2438- who responded to MY post... I said there's no great skiing IN Denver. His response was, yeah, there is great skiing in CO.

See the difference? :flower:


No I don't, since you're obviously still missing my point. And let me correct you:

Fact is, Rivers sucks ass, and he's spanks his donk everytime he plays with LT, and its only a trend that's going to continue, and I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT. :~ohyah!:

:bronxrox:

[NW Bolt Fan]

Which brings me to my second point, kids. Don't do crack.Your life experience is truly enlightening.

[OOJack]

Haven't seen it, and could care less what ESPN's QB ranking is.

I don't care if he's ranked 33rd out of 32 teams. We win. We win more with him than we did with Brees. We win more with him than we did anyone else before that, save Humphries, and before him Fouts. So, I don't really care how much hatred there is for him.

He's only played 2 years, and he's getting better. And some (albeit a very small percentage on this board) recognize it- but just like espin's QB rankings- it matters not.

Bok Bok Bok, stop being a p****.

[NW Bolt Fan]

No I don't, since you're obviously still missing my point. And let me correct you:



:bronxrox:Fact is, despite having LT, Brees couldn't get it done. Rivers has, does, and will.