Brandon Albert injured during OTA's

[Kaylore]

Apparently had to be helped off the field. I have no link.

[Kaylore]

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/655279.html

There.

[Florida_Bronco]

And so it begins!

[Hotrod]

Bust

[TheReverend]

Classic case of a guy that decided to call it quits while he's ahead, before he got exposed at tackle, after his agent landed him an extra 10 million, and got excited about his insurance check.

[BlaK-Argentina]

I just wish we stay relatively injury free this season.

[400HZ]

Doesn't sound serious.

[montrose]

I hope he gets better soon. I never wish injury on any player not named Eddie Kennison.

[broncofan2438]

After reading that, It seems as though the Qweefs have had some shakey starts

[55CrushEm]

Hmmmm......what was the comment again, Bobo?

"Stay down bitch!" ??

[BroncosinDC]

I hope he gets better soon. I never wish injury on any player not named Eddie Kennison.

Not even Rivers?

[BroncosinDC]

“I told them, the intent has to be: We have to get better today,” Edwards said. “They were tired, they were fatigued, they had to think. We cut some things down"

“I guess I’m kind of struggling,” tight end Tony Gonzalez said. “They’re bringing me along. So when they say, ‘Break,’ I’ll go up to Brodie (Croyle) and be like, ‘OK, what do I got here?’ He’ll tell me. Then you go play football from there.”

Sounds like it is all very positive in KC...not

[montrose]

Not even Rivers?

Well, if we beat SD without Rivers - it wouldn't feel the same. It's like NE beating us with Danny Kanell at QB in 2004. I wouldn't object to, after the game has been long-decided in our favor, Rivers taking a nice hit from DJ or Doom.

[Phantom]

Wisdom from Herm ...
“They’ve been going for four days,” Edwards said, “and this was the fifth day.”

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I feel sorry for the kid, but he was going to bust before the injury. They were going to play him at LT when he's only played there just to games. That already spelled his doom.

[Kaylore]

I love how they are pimping Chan Gailey like some kind of guru and he sucks as a coach. Even Gonzo's confused.

[Killericon]

I hope it's not serious. I want the Chiefs' best and brightest on the field when we wipe the floor with them.

[Dean]

Wisdom from Herm ...
“They’ve been going for four days,” Edwards said, “and this was the fifth day.”


Herm has always been a deep thinker.
LOL

[Kaylore]

Which Chief fan was it that said about Bailey "Next year he'll be 29! The next year he'll be thirty!":rofl:

[bronco militia]

http://njmg.typepad.com/thousandwords/images/2008/02/03/trophy2.jpg

[DomCasual]

Wisdom from Herm ...
“They’ve been going for four days,” Edwards said, “and this was the fifth day.”

I feel like I'm watching that Yogi Berra Aflac commercial.

[listopencil]

See? This proves that he should have been drafted by the Broncos.

[philiptr2]

I hope he gets better soon. I never wish injury on any player not named Eddie Kennison or Javon Walker, AKA "The next Eddie Kennison".

There...I fixed it for you.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Sounds minor. Their biggest issue is trying to get Steve DeBurg to come out of retirement to lead the team.

[cmhargrove]

“I told them, the intent has to be: We have to get better today,” Edwards said. “They were tired, they were fatigued, they had to think. We cut some things down"

“I guess I’m kind of struggling,” tight end Tony Gonzalez said. “They’re bringing me along. So when they say, ‘Break,’ I’ll go up to Brodie (Croyle) and be like, ‘OK, what do I got here?’ He’ll tell me. Then you go play football from there.”

Sounds like it is all very positive in KC...not

I'm not so big on being "happy" about injuries, but I can be ecstatic about the offense being so confused.

Now, Croyle is the expert of the offense, and Gonzo is asking him for advice - priceless...

[Florida_Bronco]

Which Chief fan was it that said about Bailey "Next year he'll be 29! The next year he'll be thirty!":rofl:

KCSheepStud.

[KCStud]

KCSheepStud.

This was Bob's work..not mine.

[KCStud]

And Branden Albert will be fine. The injury is minor and he will be ready by the first day of camp. I'm more worried about signing him on time than anything.

And if he is hurt, I guess we can throw him into the other list of busts who got hurt...you know, the Jarvis Moss's of the world

[Inkana7]

Actually, it was that joke of a poster kmart that made the Champ comment.

[KCStud]

I love how they are pimping Chan Gailey like some kind of guru and he sucks as a coach. Even Gonzo's confused.

He sure does suck. He sucked so bad that he coordinated an offense to the super bowl.

[Inkana7]

And Branden Albert will be fine. The injury is minor and he will be ready by the first day of camp. I'm more worried about signing him on time than anything.

And if he is hurt, I guess we can throw him into the other list of busts who got hurt...you know, the Jarvis Moss's of the world

Jarvis Moss wasn't a top 15 Defensive tackle we drafted to play End. Sorry.

[Inkana7]

He sure does suck. He sucked so bad that he coordinated an offense to the super bowl.

That 95 Steelers squad was an Offensive Juggernaut, let me tell you.

...Oh, wait.

http://www.usca.edu/nununupes/kappa%20images/glloyd.jpg

[KCStud]

Jarvis Moss wasn't a top 15 Defensive tackle we drafted to play End. Sorry.

Doesn't matter. He was a first round draft pick. Much is expected out of players picked in the first round.

Moss was the 4th DE picked and Albert was the 4th LT prospect picked. I don't see much of a difference

[KCStud]

That 95 Steelers squad was an Offensive Juggernaut, let me tell you.

...Oh, wait.

http://www.usca.edu/nununupes/kappa%20images/glloyd.jpg

Gailey is gonna be in the same situation in KC. Strong defense and effective offense is the plan. Bottomline..his offense was good enough

[Inkana7]

If by "Stong" you mean "League Average" and "effective" you mean "terrible" then yes, you're finally correct.

[cmhargrove]

And Branden Albert will be fine. The injury is minor and he will be ready by the first day of camp. I'm more worried about signing him on time than anything.

And if he is hurt, I guess we can throw him into the other list of busts who got hurt...you know, the Jarvis Moss's of the world

I thought this was pretty funny myself.

Jarvis still has plenty to prove, until then, this is pretty funny.

[Inkana7]

Doesn't matter. He was a first round draft pick. Much is expected out of players picked in the first round.

Moss was the 4th DE picked and Albert was the 4th LT prospect picked. I don't see much of a difference

Of course you don't.

[KCStud]

Of course you don't.

LMAO Inkana any football fan knows that first round draft picks are expected to be long term locks at their positions.

[KCStud]

I thought this was pretty funny myself.

Jarvis still has plenty to prove, until then, this is pretty funny.

Of course he does. He has quite a bit to prove actually. I just find it funny that people poke fun at Albert for getting hurt and apparently being a bust now, but bring up Moss and this place turns into a battle zone Ha!

[KCStud]

Ha also another piece that Kaylore didn't throw out there.

Rookie offensive tackle Branden Albert, a first-round pick in April, hurt his left ankle Sunday and sat out most of the session. He limped to a tent, where he had his foot and ankle bandaged. He later walked without assistance but was carted to the players’ parking lot. Edwards said Albert would be OK.

I doubt an injury is serious if the guy is walking on his own

[boltaneer]

It sounds like he twisted his ankle.

Maybe he has to sit out a bit of camp but it's not like he's expected to go to the Pro Bowl this year. No big deal IMO.

[theAPAOps5]

Hmmm Moss broken leg. Albert bruised mangina. Great comparison there KCDud.

[Kaylore]

LMAO Inkana any football fan knows that first round draft picks are expected to be long term locks at their positions.

This is true. Jarvis Moss is expected to play defensive end, you know the position he played all through college. Brandon Albert is expected to play guard - the position he played all through college...unless your coaching staff is stupid, and then they will watch him fail at left tackle.:welcome:

[Los Broncos]

Wisdom from Herm ...
“They’ve been going for four days,” Edwards said, “and this was the fifth day.”

Great incite Herm ROFL!

[broncosteven]

Sounds minor. Their biggest issue is trying to get Steve DeBurg to come out of retirement to lead the team.

My Favorite was the Steve Bono Trade.

[KCStud]

This is true. Jarvis Moss is expected to play defensive end, you know the position he played all through college. Brandon Albert is expected to play guard - the position he played all through college...unless your coaching staff is stupid, and then they will watch him fail at left tackle.:welcome:

I don't see a problem with letting a player who has the measurables and traits of a LT play the position. Worst possible scenario is he fails at LT and gets put back at his old position becoming a dominant OG...like he was all of college

[sixtimeseight]

I don't see a problem with letting a player who has the measurables and traits of a LT play the position. Worst possible scenario is he fails at LT and gets put back at his old position becoming a dominant OG...like he was all of college

Ryan Sims was dominant all through college too, that doesn't mean ****.

[theAPAOps5]

Great incite Herm ROFL!

Thats right up there with this:

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[DBroncos4life]

Ryan Sims was dominant all through college too, that doesn't mean ****.

MoC was too lol

[Killericon]

This is true. Jarvis Moss is expected to play defensive end, you know the position he played all through college. Brandon Albert is expected to play guard - the position he played all through college...unless your coaching staff is stupid, and then they will watch him fail at left tackle.:welcome:

You know, this whole time you've been mocking Albert for being a guard who's going to play tackle, and how it's comically stupid, I've been tempted to bring this up...But didn't the David Diehl experiment work out pretty well? It seems to me that every scouting agency and publication had Albert projected as a tackle, too, so it's not JUST the Chiefs who think this.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I love how they are pimping Chan Gailey like some kind of guru and he sucks as a coach.

Chan Gailey has found success as an NFL offensive coordinator with numerous teams. He has a particular talent for making chicken salad out of chicken ****, which is exactly what we need.

As new coordinator hires go, I'll take Gailey over Slowik any day. If Gailey puts clown shoes on Slowik's defense you're going to look awful dumb.

[Inkana7]

Jim Bates put clown shoes on KC's offense last year. Slowik's job won't be that difficult, Bobo.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Jim Bates put clown shoes on KC's offense last year. .

Please. Every defense in the league put clown shoes on our offense last year. It was no great task.

[Inkana7]

Compelling defense.

[Florida_Bronco]

This was Bob's work..not mine.

No it wasn't...it was either you or Kmart.

[fdf]

I hope it's not serious. I want the Chiefs' best and brightest on the field . . . .

Those are terms I have trouble associating with the modern chiefs.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Please. Every defense in the league put clown shoes on our offense last year. It was no great task.

Love how we're talking about your defense and then you deflect by talking about our defense.

[400HZ]

You know, this whole time you've been mocking Albert for being a guard who's going to play tackle, and how it's comically stupid, I've been tempted to bring this up...But didn't the David Diehl experiment work out pretty well? It seems to me that every scouting agency and publication had Albert projected as a tackle, too, so it's not JUST the Chiefs who think this.

Well, he just won a Superbowl and signed a $40 million dollar extension. I guess it depends on your definition of "pretty well".

[Kaylore]

You know, this whole time you've been mocking Albert for being a guard who's going to play tackle, and how it's comically stupid, I've been tempted to bring this up...But didn't the David Diehl experiment work out pretty well? It seems to me that every scouting agency and publication had Albert projected as a tackle, too, so it's not JUST the Chiefs who think this.

Yeah it worked great but did they start him at Left Tackle right out of the package? No. He played right guard, then right tackle, then left guard then left tackle. This took years of learning.

They aren't comparable as players. Diehl has better feet than Albert who is more of a grinder, so you're talking about two different body types. Albert was largely considered an incredible prospect at guard who could play some right tackle. I haven't heard anyone except Albert's agent say he was a good left tackle prospect. Even if he is, it will take years of playing on the line and learning to be able to make a move over there. Your own example proves this.

[Killericon]

Yeah it worked great but did they start him at Left Tackle right out of the package? No. He played right guard, then right tackle, then left guard then left tackle. This took years of learning.

They aren't comparable as players. Diehl has better feet than Albert who is more of a grinder, so you're talking about two different body types. Albert was largely considered an incredible prospect at guard who could play some right tackle. I haven't heard anyone except Albert's agent say he was a good left tackle prospect. Even if he is, it will take years of playing on the line and learning to be able to make a move over there. Your own example proves this.

Perhaps, but my point is that the transition from guard to tackle IS possible. Given that, who's to say when/where/under what circumstances it can happen?

[kmonty]

You know, this whole time you've been mocking Albert for being a guard who's going to play tackle, and how it's comically stupid, I've been tempted to bring this up...But didn't the David Diehl experiment work out pretty well? It seems to me that every scouting agency and publication had Albert projected as a tackle, too, so it's not JUST the Chiefs who think this.

I thought Albert was overrated whichever position they had him graded. Thought he was a 2nd round guard talent, at best.

He's so up and down. His strength - I saw this on several highlight films - iso blocks downfield. Pull to the right, he becomes the lead blocker and just levels his man when he has the momentum behind him.

Weakness - off the snap in general. His footwork needs a lot of improvement, and in the stuff I watched he couldn't find the leverage to beat his man in either run blocking or pass protection.

So glad we got Clady instead. JMHO.

[KCStud]

Yeah it worked great but did they start him at Left Tackle right out of the package? No. He played right guard, then right tackle, then left guard then left tackle. This took years of learning.

They aren't comparable as players. Diehl has better feet than Albert who is more of a grinder, so you're talking about two different body types. Albert was largely considered an incredible prospect at guard who could play some right tackle. I haven't heard anyone except Albert's agent say he was a good left tackle prospect. Even if he is, it will take years of playing on the line and learning to be able to make a move over there. Your own example proves this.

Nobody? Apparently Mike Mayock thinks he will be a good LT. Albert has outstanding footwork. That is one of his best features. And you are a talent evaluator? Ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tch6O29kbaQ

[KCStud]

Ryan Sims was dominant all through college too, that doesn't mean ****.

Sims looked good because he has Peppers taking all the blocks for him

[Kaylore]

Perhaps, but my point is that the transition from guard to tackle IS possible. Given that, who's to say when/where/under what circumstances it can happen?
The possibility exists, but it's hard enough to play the position you played in college at the pro level. Starting someone at the most critical point on the line when you have no substantive experience playing it is beyond stupid. We've converted guys to tackle all the time but when you look at how long it took to get them over there, you understand how difficult it is. Albert will probably be a great player at guard and even right tackle, but it will take years for him to adjust to playing the blind side and he may never really excel there.


Weakness - off the snap in general. His footwork needs a lot of improvement, and in the stuff I watched he couldn't find the leverage to beat his man in either run blocking or pass protection.

Cavs fans will tell you the same thing, but Chief fans like Sheepstud won't hear it. He's all-world already as far as they're concerned.

[Kaylore]

Nobody? Apparently Mike Mayock thinks he will be a good LT. Albert has outstanding footwork. That is one of his best features. And you are a talent evaluator? Ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tch6O29kbaQ

You should read the post right above yours.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Albert will probably be a great player at guard and even right tackle, but it will take years for him to adjust to playing the blind side and he may never really excel there.

You're such a dumb****.

[KCStud]

I thought Albert was overrated whichever position they had him graded. Thought he was a 2nd round guard talent, at best.

He's so up and down. His strength - I saw this on several highlight films - iso blocks downfield. Pull to the right, he becomes the lead blocker and just levels his man when he has the momentum behind him.

Weakness - off the snap in general. His footwork needs a lot of improvement, and in the stuff I watched he couldn't find the leverage to beat his man in either run blocking or pass protection.

So glad we got Clady instead. JMHO.

No way man. I and everybody in the country thought he was a better prospect than Ben Grubbs was last season by far. Albert has the size and athleticism. Idk why people say he has footwork is bad. I've seen some footage of him and his footwork was outstanding.
The reason why people think he can be so good is because he is one of the best blockers in space that the draft has seen for a few years. When you play LT you are left by yourself on an island.
I do admit his strength was a problem and it needs to be worked on.

I still think the Broncos made a mistake by passing up on Williams. I think he will ultimately be the best LT out of the the 3 mentioned.

I saw Clady on tape and he struggled badly. He seemed lost at times. He couldn't work with the teams shifts which caused him to get a bad start on the line against the DE resulting in him getting beat. Both Clady and Albert have much to prove.

And of course a Bronco fan is gonna say Albert is a failure because that's what they want. Obviously a KC says he is gonna be good because that is what they want

[Doggcow]

I'm such a dumb****.

True story.

[Kaylore]

And of course a Bronco fan is gonna say Albert is a failure because that's what they want. Obviously a KC says he is gonna be good because that is what they want

::) Can you read? No one is saying he is a bad player, we're saying he is going to struggle at left tackle. Do you honestly believe that there won't be struggles for him if he is starting at LT this year? Honestly do you really believe that? and if you think it's not more than the other guys who played LT all through college, you're totally wrong. That doesn't mean he's going to suck at other positions, nor does it mean he won't have a successful career. He is without question a project at tackle and should be playing guard.

[TheReverend]

::) Can you read? No one is saying he is a bad player, we're saying he is going to struggle at left tackle. Do you honestly believe that there won't be struggles for him if he is starting at LT this year? Honestly do you really believe that? and if you think it's not more than the other guys who played LT all through college, you're totally wrong. That doesn't mean he's going to suck at other positions, nor does it mean he won't have a successful career. He is without question a project at tackle and should be playing guard.

I'm actually not sure I agree with you. It's more a disagreement on some of the minute details of your post than your opinion on the whole.

Will it be harder? Sure

But does he have the skill set? At least the Chiefs think so.

I actually need some help from KC fans for this... The one guy who can significantly help him out is Waters... but is he shifting inside because Casey's gone?

Regardless, I'm not confident with how much protection that even CAN roll to the left considering the level of crap that litters the entire line.

Anyways, the level of disagreement I have with you is just the Albert G vs T. He probably CAN play either, but he'll probably look pretty damn bad at that LT spot considering the wealth of garbage surrounding him. If he WERE at G he stands a better chance of looking "stand-alone" good on some memorable highlight pulls and hitting a LB in his back-peddle/scrape.

So he could be good, he could be bad... but either way he's about to look way worse at tackle than he would at guard.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He is without question a project at tackle and should be playing guard.

You really are retarded sometimes. You know better than all the NFL teams and scouts that projected him to tackle?

Albert > Clady

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I actually need some help from KC fans for this... The one guy who can significantly help him out is Waters... but is he shifting inside because Casey's gone?

No, he's remaining at left guard...you know, next to Albert? I'm sure he'll help him out just fine there.

[Inkana7]

You really are retarded sometimes. You know better than all the NFL teams and scouts that projected him to tackle?

Albert > Clady

TEH R3D KN1GHT!!!!1111

[Bob's your Information Minister]

TEH R3D KN1GHT!!!!1111

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean. Sammy Knight was a good player for the Chiefs.

[DenverBrit]

I'm really retarded sometimes.
For instance.
I know I have no NFL knowledge....hell, I'm unemployed and living with Mom.
But that won't stop me showing my a$$ and pretending I know something about football.
Here, see what I mean
Albert > Clady ROFL!
I crack myself up sometimes.

You should, you're a joke.

[Kaylore]

I'm actually not sure I agree with you. It's more a disagreement on some of the minute details of your post than your opinion on the whole....

So he could be good, he could be bad... but either way he's about to look way worse at tackle than he would at guard.

That's really what I was saying. And anyone who is saying Albert > Clady is a complete dumbass. Albert was the fourth offensive lineman off the board for a reason. Many experts had Clady with more upside than Long.

[TheReverend]

No, he's remaining at left guard...you know, next to Albert? I'm sure he'll help him out just fine there.

Okay then, that's a large boost to Albert's future and development, but at the same time not really. The state of the rest of the offensive line won't afford him the benefit of rolling Water's to Albert's inside... if it did, McIntosh wouldn't have looked so god awful last year.

Saying Albert>Clady is just foolish. First off, you're not a fortune teller. Secondly, Denver WILL have the opportunity to put Hamilton on Clady's hip over 50% of the time because Holland and Graham can cover any deficiencies in Kuper/Harris's game. A luxury the Chief's can't quite afford, dude.

[Kaylore]

Bob has a great history predicting Chief players productions against the Broncos.

Larry Johonson will rush for more yards this season than all the Broncos backs combined!

:yayaya:

[TheReverend]

Bob has a great history predicting Chief players productions against the Broncos.



:yayaya:

Nothing touches the Brodie vs Jay thread. Nothing. Ever.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

McIntosh played well last year. Yet more proof Kaylore doesn't know what he's talking about.

[TheReverend]

McIntosh played well last year. Yet more proof Kaylore doesn't know what he's talking about.

That was me that said he wasn't able to benefit from Waters next to him, and no he didn't play well. Never has. Never will.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He really did play quite well, sorry. We missed him when he was out of the lineup.

[Kaylore]

That was me that said he wasn't able to benefit from Waters next to him, and no he didn't play well. Never has. Never will.

I've become something of a boogey man to Bob. I haunt his dreams.

[TheReverend]

He really did play quite well, sorry. We missed him when he was out of the lineup.

Can you link some other sources?

It's not that I don't generally trust your input/opinion... it's just "Damien McIntosh" and "play quite well" are 2 things I've never, ever heard in the same sentence.

Edit: ...and he was only out of the lineup for one game last season... the offense was really rollin on the left side the other 15 games, huh?

[Kaylore]

Can you link some other sources?

It's not that I don't generally trust your input/opinion... it's just "Damien McIntosh" and "play quite well" are 2 things I've never, ever heard in the same sentence.

Edit: ...and he was only out of the lineup for one game last season... the offense was really rollin on the left side the other 15 games, huh?

:~ohyah!: They were worst in the league for sacks allowed last year.

[TheReverend]

:~ohyah!: They were worst in the league for sacks allowed last year.

Any chance Joyner did a piece on how many McIntosh was personally responsible for... even with a HoFer helping?

[Kaylore]

Any chance Joyner did a piece on how many McIntosh was personally responsible for... even with a HoFer helping?

I found this...

http://www.ultimateffstrategy.com/OLine/kansas_city_chiefs.php

It's actually somewhat praising of his pass-pro but points out the huge problems of run blocking.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php

[Bob's your Information Minister]

:~ohyah!: They were worst in the league for sacks allowed last year.

Mac only gave up 7.5. The real problem with the line was the right side, including the center. They were all horrible and have all already been replaced. Mac has been moved to right tackle, although there are questions about how well he'll do there because he's not the most physical player and isn't a good run blocker. He may be the best option, though, unless Barry Richardson steps up.



It's actually somewhat praising of his pass-pro but points out the huge problems of run blocking.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php

Yes, that's accurate.

[DenVa BroncHoos]

Classic case of a guy that decided to call it quits while he's ahead, before he got exposed at tackle, after his agent landed him an extra 10 million, and got excited about his insurance check.

He is a class player and person and your post is misinformed and ignorant.

Best of Luck to a quick recovery for Branden!

[TheReverend]

He is a class player and person and your post is misinformed and ignorant.

Best of Luck to a quick recovery for Branden!

Who...













...cares?

[boltaneer]

McIntosh shouldn't be starting on an NFL team. The guy should be a second string RT who you pray doesn't have to come in off the bench.

[Merlin]

McIntosh shouldn't be starting on an NFL team. The guy should be a second string RT who you pray doesn't have to come in off the bench.
Apt description.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Oh, look, biased Chargers fans.

[TheReverend]

Oh, look, biased Chargers fans.

...says the Chief fan so biased he thinks Brodie Croyle is awesome and just needs his 10th chance.

[KCStud]

The point I'm making is that Albert is an outstanding G with the skill set to play LT. Why not give him that chance?

If he fails, so what. He gets put at G and becomes a dominant G. It's a very safe chance IMO. Albert's flexibility is what helped him move up draft boards

[boltaneer]

The point I'm making is that Albert is an outstanding G with the skill set to play LT. Why not give him that chance?

If he fails, so what. He gets put at G and becomes a dominant G. It's a very safe chance IMO. Albert's flexibility is what helped him move up draft boards

The problem is that if he doesn't work out at LT, which is very possible, you drafted a player at a position where teams do not draft that high. If this happens, for the Chiefs to get the correct value out of him he's going to have to be the next Steve Hutchinson and then some.

[Hotrod]

He is a class player and person and your post is misinformed and ignorant.

Best of Luck to a quick recovery for Branden!

Are players mothers allowed to post here???

[Bob's your Information Minister]

...says the Chief fan so biased he thinks Brodie Croyle is awesome and just needs his 10th chance.

Brodie Croyle is decidedly unawesome and I've never said anything to the contrary.

[boltaneer]

Oh, look, biased Chargers fans.

Heh, I've seen him play for three teams and suck on every one. How am I being biased about that?

If you suck, you suck. Sometimes the truth hurts. Just nut up and accept it.

[socalorado]

Heh, I've seen him play for three teams and suck on every one. How am I being biased about that?

If you suck, you suck. Sometimes the truth hurts. Just nut up and accept it.

Hey quick question. Did McCree play FS or SS for you guys? I swear he played FS. or was it hart at FS?

[Killericon]

You really are retarded sometimes. You know better than all the NFL teams and scouts that projected him to tackle?

Albert > Clady

Good point.

These people have been doing it for their entire lives. We should never question any roster move that any NFL team makes again. I mean, we're just a bunch of fans. These guys are paid experts.

[boltaneer]

Hey quick question. Did McCree play FS or SS for you guys? I swear he played FS. or was it hart at FS?

He played FS. Though in the defensive scheme SD runs, the SS and FS are pretty much interchangeable. I'm pretty sure he has experience at both positions though from his time in Carolina and Houston.

[socalorado]

He played FS. Though in the defensive scheme SD runs, the SS and FS are pretty much interchangeable. I'm pretty sure he has experience at both positions though from his time in Carolina and Houston.

I thought he played FS. Ok. Just have a side discussion going on at work, and i couldnt remember for sure, if he had played both or if he was strictly a FS. Yeah the SD D is very interchangeable in the backfield. You guys have had a # of guys play back there recently.

Thanks. You may all now resume clowning bobo.

[TheReverend]

He played FS. Though in the defensive scheme SD runs, the SS and FS are pretty much interchangeable. I'm pretty sure he has experience at both positions though from his time in Carolina and Houston.

That's how it is with most teams today.

To top that off, most teams run a glorified rover and robber system with a couple "pro wrinkles", so it really doesn't matter what their designation is, just what you're asking them to do after the snap.

[boltaneer]

That's how it is with most teams today.

To top that off, most teams run a glorified rover and robber system with a couple "pro wrinkles", so it really doesn't matter what their designation is, just what you're asking them to do after the snap.

Yes.

The problem I see with the McCree-Lynch combo is that both of them are rather poor in coverage because they both fit the mold of your SS type so I think it's going to be very easy to expose them. Bailey and Bly are a good CB tandem so you're definitely fine there but you guys are really going to need the pass rush to step it up to really cover up the rest of the defense.

[Inkana7]

Yes.

The problem I see with the McCree-Lynch combo is that both of them are rather poor in coverage because they both fit the mold of your SS type so I think it's going to be very easy to expose them. Bailey and Bly are a good CB tandem so you're definitely fine there but you guys are really going to need the pass rush to step it up to really cover up the rest of the defense.

Based on the reports so far out of camp, McCree and Lynch are playing the same position, with McCree replacing Lynch in the Nickel. Manuel, Abdullah and Barrett will compete for the other spot.

[boltaneer]

Based on the reports so far out of camp, McCree and Lynch are playing the same position, with McCree replacing Lynch in the Nickel. Manuel, Abdullah and Barrett will compete for the other spot.

So it looks like McCree isn't going to be a starter? Interesting...

[kmonty]

So it looks like McCree isn't going to be a starter? Interesting...

Well it's early of course. Right now Lynch would have the upper hand just on knowledge of the system.

Whether it's Lynch or McCree starting from day one, it wouldn't surprise me either way. I'm pulling for Lynch though, just because I want to see him succeed again and put 2007 behind him.

[TheReverend]

You really are retarded sometimes. You know better than all the NFL teams and scouts that projected him to tackle?

Albert > Clady

Sorry for skipping this the first time around, Bob.

...but how can you, in one breath, mention giving such credence to NFL teams and scouts and then in the next, go against that original thought by claiming Albert>Clady when it was pretty much unanimous from your previously referenced "NFL teams and scouts" that Clady>Albert... hence the higher selection.

In fact, according to your own initial logic, Chris Williams also > Albert.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually, it wasn't unanimous. That's why tons of mocks had the Chiefs taking Albert at #5...with Clady and Williams still on the board.

[Florida_Bronco]

I remember no such mocks. Please post them, because I think you are lying.

[kmartin575]

I love how they are pimping Chan Gailey like some kind of guru and he sucks as a coach. Even Gonzo's confused.

He has sucked as a head coach. Wade Phillips sucked as a head coach with your crappy organization but he was a great coordinator. Chan Gailey has been a very good coordinator in the NFL, making scrubs like Kordell Stewart actually look good.

[kmartin575]

I thought this was pretty funny myself.

Jarvis still has plenty to prove, until then, this is pretty funny.

Just as funny as you all assuming Albert will be a bust.

[kmartin575]

This is true. Jarvis Moss is expected to play defensive end, you know the position he played all through college. Brandon Albert is expected to play guard - the position he played all through college...unless your coaching staff is stupid, and then they will watch him fail at left tackle.:welcome:

Just about EVERYBODY is saying Albert has the ability to play left tackle. But go ahead and keep spouting your nonsense.

The super bowl champion Giants switched a guard to left tackle, so why can't Albert, who is easily more athletic than David Diehl, do it? Will he have growing pains? Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that Virginia coach Al Grohl said Albert was the best left tackle he ever coached.

[kmartin575]

Ryan Sims was dominant all through college too, that doesn't mean ****.

If I were you I wouldn't talk crap about draft busts, being a Bronco fan and all. I can think of plenty of turds coach teflon drafted.

[kmonty]

Thanks for quadruple posting. :thumbsup:

[kmartin575]

Yeah it worked great but did they start him at Left Tackle right out of the package? No. He played right guard, then right tackle, then left guard then left tackle. This took years of learning.

They aren't comparable as players. Diehl has better feet than Albert who is more of a grinder, so you're talking about two different body types. Albert was largely considered an incredible prospect at guard who could play some right tackle. I haven't heard anyone except Albert's agent say he was a good left tackle prospect. Even if he is, it will take years of playing on the line and learning to be able to make a move over there. Your own example proves this.

Uhh, no Albert is not more of a grinder. Albert is known for his nimble feet and I saw it myself at the Chiefs minicamp. I was about 10 feet away from the offensive line drills and Albert was easily the most nimble and had the quickest feet out of all of the tackles.

And no, Albert didn't play some right tackle. he played some left tackle. Why exactly do you think he rose up draft boards late in the draft process? Because of his ability to play guard? No, guards are not valued that much. He rose up draft boards because of his ability to play tackle. And you may have missed the part where Philadelphia was trying to trade up and get him. So we weren't the only team looking to get him in the 1st. Considering the depth Philly has at guard, I guarantee they were not going to take him as a guard.

To just assume it is going to take years for him to develop is ignorant. He won't be a pro bowler right off the bat but there is absolutely no reason why he can't hold his own. He certainly can't do any worse than Jordan Black, Will Svitek, or Kyle Turley have doen at left tackle the last few years.

[kmartin575]

I'm actually not sure I agree with you. It's more a disagreement on some of the minute details of your post than your opinion on the whole.

Will it be harder? Sure

But does he have the skill set? At least the Chiefs think so.

I actually need some help from KC fans for this... The one guy who can significantly help him out is Waters... but is he shifting inside because Casey's gone?

Regardless, I'm not confident with how much protection that even CAN roll to the left considering the level of crap that litters the entire line.

Anyways, the level of disagreement I have with you is just the Albert G vs T. He probably CAN play either, but he'll probably look pretty damn bad at that LT spot considering the wealth of garbage surrounding him. If he WERE at G he stands a better chance of looking "stand-alone" good on some memorable highlight pulls and hitting a LB in his back-peddle/scrape.

So he could be good, he could be bad... but either way he's about to look way worse at tackle than he would at guard.


Just because you have no knowledge of the players on our line does not mean they are all trash. We all called Oakland's line trash before last season and they improved greatly. KC has more talent on our line than Oakland did on that line.

[Kaylore]

Just about EVERYBODY is saying Albert has the ability to play left tackle. But go ahead and keep spouting your nonsense.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/branden-albert?id=660

Negatives: Looks a little awkward with his feet

Has experience playing on the edge at left tackle, but is more suited to play in-line at guard, and sometimes has problems containing quicker pass rushers off the edge and does tire late in games (needs to improve his overall stamina, but showed better playing tempo as a junior, dropping his weight from 340 to 315 pounds)

[Kaylore]

Uhh, no Albert is not more of a grinder. Albert is known for his nimble feet and I saw it myself at the Chiefs minicamp.

:rofl: Whatever. You've shown repeatedly that your opinion is worth crap. He rose up draft boards because he was a good player, not because he "could play tackle". You Chief fans are ridiculous. You get hysterical anytime someone says something negative about your team, even if it's totally realistic. But go ahead and believe he will play left tackle this year and look awesome doing it. You're just setting yourselves up for another disappointment like you did last year.

[kmonty]

Uhh, no Albert is not more of a grinder. Albert is known for his nimble feet and I saw it myself at the Chiefs minicamp. I was about 10 feet away from the offensive line drills and Albert was easily the most nimble and had the quickest feet out of all of the tackles.

And no, Albert didn't play some right tackle. he played some left tackle. Why exactly do you think he rose up draft boards late in the draft process? Because of his ability to play guard? No, guards are not valued that much. He rose up draft boards because of his ability to play tackle. And you may have missed the part where Philadelphia was trying to trade up and get him. So we weren't the only team looking to get him in the 1st. Considering the depth Philly has at guard, I guarantee they were not going to take him as a guard.

To just assume it is going to take years for him to develop is ignorant. He won't be a pro bowler right off the bat but there is absolutely no reason why he can't hold his own. He certainly can't do any worse than Jordan Black, Will Svitek, or Kyle Turley have doen at left tackle the last few years.

I think you're confusing footwork for an offensive lineman with his quickness at reaching the second level and performing a block in isolation. He's really good at pulls and such where he becomes the lead blocker. Once engaged in his blocks, though, he struggles keeping his feet moving.

I saw him plant both feet and sort of "lunge" at his opponent a few times. It was kind of laughable. That won't work at the NFL level.

And just FYI, this isn't AFCW bias. I saw this stuff before the draft, and said all through April I hope we didn't draft him.

[KCStud]

:rofl: Whatever. You've shown repeatedly that your opinion is worth crap. He rose up draft boards because he was a good player, not because he "could play tackle". You Chief fans are ridiculous. You get hysterical anytime someone says something negative about your team, even if it's totally realistic. But go ahead and believe he will play left tackle this year and look awesome doing it. You're just setting yourselves up for another disappointment like you did last year.

I like it how people say that Albert has bad feet. He has great feet. Even experts have been saying this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tch6O29kbaQ

"His best part is his feet."

[BMarsh615]

Actually, it wasn't unanimous. That's why tons of mocks had the Chiefs taking Albert at #5...with Clady and Williams still on the board.

I think i may have seen one mock draft that had Albert going number 5. And that was one of the early mock drafts. In sports illustrated the issue right before the draft had CLADY going to the Chiefs at number 5.

The thing that i kept hearing about Clady is he is the "only pure left tackle in the draft"

[BMarsh615]

I like it how people say that Albert has bad feet. He has great feet. Even experts have been saying this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tch6O29kbaQ

"His best part is his feet."

Hes no "sweet feet" Ryan Clady.

[TheReverend]

Just because you have no knowledge of the players on our line does not mean they are all trash. We all called Oakland's line trash before last season and they improved greatly. KC has more talent on our line than Oakland did on that line.

Oakland also shifted to a ZBS and used players that are at minimum decent fits to that system. That's why they gobbled up Cooper so fast.

[TheReverend]

Actually, it wasn't unanimous. That's why tons of mocks had the Chiefs taking Albert at #5...with Clady and Williams still on the board.

You said NFL teams and scouts, not Mock Draft Fairies. Hey, I hope he has a successful career, everyone deserves that and he's not in my way. I just hope he plays terribly against Denver. Point blank: I honestly think it's wasting his talent to move him outside.

KC pretty much traded Jared Allen for this guy... :spit:

[Kaylore]

I like it how people say that Albert has bad feet. He has great feet. Even experts have been saying this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tch6O29kbaQ

"His best part is his feet."

Genius, why don't you look at the tape of him playing off the line? Don't you think it's strange there are no highlight reels of him playing in line? I'll give you a hint: his feet aren't great - especially when it comes to sticking his block and then shuffling to keep it. He also leans too much. Yeah, he's incredible running down field and punching once he makes contact, but kicking outside against a speed rusher? Prepare to watch Croyle on his back. Of course you'll probably just blame your guard or stop posting when that happens like you guys did last year until your draft gave you some insta-courage. Chief fans. :oyvey:

[TheReverend]

Genius, why don't you look at the tape of him playing off the line? Don't you think it's strange there are no highlight reels of him playing in line? I'll give you a hint: his feet aren't great - especially when it comes to sticking his block and then shuffling to keep it. He also leans too much. Yeah, he's incredible running down field and punching once he makes contact, but kicking outside against a speed rusher? Prepare to watch Croyle on his back. Of course you'll probably just blame your guard or stop posting when that happens like you guys did last year until your draft gave you some insta-courage. Chief fans. :oyvey:

If they blame Waters over Albert, they should be neutered to prevent gene pool pollution.

[sixtimeseight]

Chiefs fans.... Do you think Albert will ever be as dominant at LT as Allen was at DE? Because that's what you're banking on, and I pretty much guarantee it ain't gonna happen.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Chiefs fans.... Do you think Albert will ever be as dominant at LT as Allen was at DE? Because that's what you're banking on, and I pretty much guarantee it ain't gonna happen.

Uh, why?

Albert's probably more talented as a left tackle than Allen is as a defensive end. Allen doesn't have great strength or speed ala Reggie White or Dwight Freeney. That's why he was a fourth-round pick and Albert was a top 20 pick.

I guess we'll see who wins the battle this year in River Falls when the Vikings visit the Chiefs for a scrimmage.

[Atwater His Ass]

Um, Jared Allen is one of, if not the best DE in all of football. Both run stopping and pass rushing. As much potential as Albert may (or not) have, it's nothing more than homerism to think he'll be anywhere even close to Allen's level.

I can't believe I even just had to say that.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Um, Jared Allen is one of, if not the best DE in all of football. Both run stopping and pass rushing. As much potential as Albert may (or not) have, it's nothing more than homerism to think he'll be anywhere even close to Allen's level.

I can't believe I even just had to say that.

People are honestly overrating Allen. He's had one great year. It was just one season ago Tamba Hali had more sacks.

Yes, it's homerism to say Albert will be elite. It's just as ludicrous to say Albert will never be elite. He's got major talent.

[Inkana7]

Bob is such a silly boy.

[Atwater His Ass]

Allen is not overrated. It's not just about sacks, it's about his ability to make the entire DL more potent. He really is a dominat DE and I'm glad he's out of the division. Hali on the other hand, doesn't scare me at all. I think he's more of a product of having Allen on the oppisite side of the line, but we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out this year with the addition of Dorsey and how the moves affect Hali's play. Certiantly right now though, he's not the type of DE you really need to gameplan against.

I'll hold out on judgeing Albert until, you know, he's actually had a chance to play some in the NFL. I think people are overracting about his ability or lack thereof to play LT. He doesn't have the upside that Clady or Long have and I don't think he'll be as good as either, but that's not to say he couldn't still be a solid LT and perhaps even better on the inside if that's where they play him. Just ask Seattle and Shaun Alexander about the loss of Steve Hutchinson and how valuable those guards can be to your team.

I think a few people on here are just overracitng because KC drafted him. Had Clady been off the board and/or we picked up Albert instead, I suspect these same people would be singing his praises and the KC fans would be saying how little potential he has. I just don't get caught up in all of that.

[Kaylore]

Oh now Allen sucks and is overrated!ROFL! By the end of July they will be telling what a horrible player he was. The guy was a playmaker no matter where he lined up. He plays a snap at TE and he scores a freaking touchdown. Amen to the comments of him leaving division being a boon for our team. He never gave us too much trouble but not double teaming him will be huge. Their ends are pretty much garbage now.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Oh now Allen sucks and is overrated!ROFL! By the end of July they will be telling what a horrible player he was. The guy was a playmaker no matter where he lined up. He plays a snap at TE and he scores a freaking touchdown. Amen to the comments of him leaving division being a boon for our team. He never gave us too much trouble but not double teaming him will be huge. Their ends are pretty much garbage now.

Don't get me wrong. Jared Allen was a great, great player. Last year. He's a good player no matter what, but he's only had one great year. Can he put up 15 sacks a year for 7 or 8 more years? We'll see.

[KCStud]

haha Bronco fans finally give props to Jared Allen now that he is gone from the Chiefs. I remember this last season when Bronco fans said Dumberville was better than Allen and that he was an overated risk. Seems like the tables have turned now that he is out of KC

[boltaneer]

All I know is that Marcus McNeill went toe to toe pretty well against every DE he has faced so far except for Jared Allen. JA gave Marcus fits every time the Chargers faced the Chiefs so I'm definitely glad he's out of the division.

I still don't understand the logic of getting rid of him. If the Chiefs think they need to rebuild for a couple of years to get to a point where they are going to compete for the division, Jared Allen would still be in his prime at that point. That whole move reeked of cheapness on KC's part.

[boltaneer]

One other note for the "overrated" Jared Allen:

Allen is already averaging 10+ sacks a season going into his fifth season. Those are actually very impressive numbers. And it's most likely to climb even higher with the defensive line he's going to be playing with in Minnesota.

Look at Michael Strahan: He's going to be most likely a first ballot hall of famer and he put up a similar (though lower) average. As long as Allen stays healthy, I see no reason why he won't wind up with a career similar to Strahan.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'll think you'll find a lot of praise for Allen's game all over this board pretty much over his entire time in KC. We made fun of him for being a red neck hick, but anyone who knows anything about football never really bagged on his on field peformance.

You'll find a lot more of the comparisions between Doom's ability to rush the passer and Allen's ability to rush. But I don't think you'll find knowlegable people saying Doom is anywhere near Allen's all around game at this point.

However, you will find a lot of comparisions between Doom and Hali. Whereas Doom has had a very successful start to his career, he's also done it without the help of perhaps the best DE in football on the other side of the line. Hell, we don't have ANYONE besdies Doom last season and he still put up 12 sacks.

As far as getting rid of Allen, yeah I don't really get it either. But I guess I really don't care either. It's not like they are going to ever be challenging anyone in the AFC as a Super Bowl representative with Croyle at QB.

[Atwater His Ass]

One other note for the "overrated" Jared Allen:

Allen is already averaging 10+ sacks a season going into his fifth season. Those are actually very impressive numbers. And it's most likely to climb even higher with the defensive line he's going to be playing with in Minnesota.

Look at Michael Strahan: He's going to be most likely a first ballot hall of famer and he put up a similar (though lower) average. As long as Allen stays healthy, I see no reason why he won't wind up with a career similar to Strahan.

Bobo is just retarded. He can't fathom that there is more to football outside of the stats and the effect that an impact player like Allen has on the entire team.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bobo is just retarded. He can't fathom that there is more to football outside of the stats and the effect that an impact player like Allen has on the entire team.

Please. I understand it quite well. I also understand we were 4-12 last season and had a terrible run defense, and that Allen was nowhere to be seen in the clutch all year. And that includes games where it was tied or we were ahead.

Go back and watch that game in Denver. Allen was damn near invisible the whole game.

[DukeWoody]

Please. I understand it quite well. I also understand we were 4-12 last season and had a terrible run defense, and that Allen was nowhere to be seen in the clutch all year. And that includes games where it was tied or we were ahead.

Go back and watch that game in Denver. Allen was damn near invisible the whole game.

So what's your fcking point?? Who is gonna be your "clutch" defender this year??.. Not only down the stretch but for those melowdramatic times during the beggining of the season hhmmmm..??.??..and don't try and say ( i never played a down in the NFL Dorsey ) cause that's just hopeful optimism right, until proven otherwise..so just keep reaching for straws the next few years cause that's all you got for now bobo..

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So what's your fcking point?? Who is gonna be your "clutch" defender this year??.. Not only down the stretch but for those melowdramatic times during the beggining of the season hhmmmm..??.??..and don't try and say ( i never played a down in the NFL Dorsey ) cause that's just hopeful optimism right, until proven otherwise..so just keep reaching for straws the next few years cause that's all you got for now bobo..

You're right, we don't have one.

[TheReverend]

Please. I understand it quite well. I also understand we were 4-12 last season and had a terrible run defense, and that Allen was nowhere to be seen in the clutch all year. And that includes games where it was tied or we were ahead.

Go back and watch that game in Denver. Allen was damn near invisible the whole game.

That was Carl Peterson's defense of the trade. When criticized he answered, "How many sacks did Jared Allen have in the fourth quarter?"

The answer is surprisingly low. I think it was 1... can't remember for sure, though.

...when you take into consideration the lack of passing that faced KC in the fourth quarter as teams brought the clock down... it's no longer surprising. It only makes it surprising that he was able to tear out that many sacks and lead the league in only the first three quarters, while other DEs are rushing the passer come the 2 min warning.

[Inkana7]

Please. I understand it quite well. I also understand we were 4-12 last season and had a terrible run defense, and that Allen was nowhere to be seen in the clutch all year. And that includes games where it was tied or we were ahead.

Go back and watch that game in Denver. Allen was damn near invisible the whole game.

That's because "overpaid, overrated" Dan Graham destroyed him that game. Literally. When he didn't straight up stone him, his chips knocked Allen to the ground a few times.

[Atwater His Ass]

That was Carl Peterson's defense of the trade. When criticized he answered, "How many sacks did Jared Allen have in the fourth quarter?"

The answer is surprisingly low. I think it was 1... can't remember for sure, though.

...when you take into consideration the lack of passing that faced KC in the fourth quarter as teams brought the clock down... it's no longer surprising. It only makes it surprising that he was able to tear out that many sacks and lead the league in only the first three quarters, while other DEs are rushing the passer come the 2 min warning.

^5

But don't worry, he's overrated. Hilarious!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's because "overpaid, overrated" Dan Graham destroyed him that game. Literally. When he didn't straight up stone him, his chips knocked Allen to the ground a few times.

Yup. And historically Allen has never been great against the Broncos. Lepsis always had his number. That's because Allen is not a player with elite talent ala Freeney or Peppers. He's a blood-and-guts guy, but a technically sound player like Lepsis can hold him off.

[SlipperyPete]

...when you take into consideration the lack of passing that faced KC in the fourth quarter as teams brought the clock down... it's no longer surprising. It only makes it surprising that he was able to tear out that many sacks and lead the league in only the first three quarters, while other DEs are rushing the passer come the 2 min warning.

The problem with this analysis is that it focuses on the quote of "How many sacks did Allen have in the 4th quarter?". By doing that, the underlying truth of the quote is missed.

Allen disappears just as badly in the 3rd quarter as he does in the 4th. Thus, that entire rationale is meaningless. Teams running the ball late in the 4th quarter doesn't explain why Allen couldn't get 3rd quarter sacks. In total, he had 15.5. sacks in 2007. Only three came after halftime.

He's a good player, but he's not elite by any stretch. Once teams get a chance to make their adjustments, Allen is completely taken out of games, even against linemen he should be dominating.

[Florida_Bronco]

Don't get me wrong. Jared Allen was a great, great player. Last year. He's a good player no matter what, but he's only had one great year. Can he put up 15 sacks a year for 7 or 8 more years? We'll see.

That's funny. Last year you specifically said watching Allen and McIntosh in camp was watching "two elite players go at it"

So once again I've proven you're a liar and ignorant about the game of football.

Florida_Bronco makes Bobo his bitch once again! :strong:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's funny. Last year you specifically said watching Allen and McIntosh in camp was watching "two elite players go at it"

So once again I've proven you're a liar and ignorant about the game of football.

Florida_Bronco makes Bobo his b**** once again! :strong:

Nice try, but that post was clearly a joke. No one in their right mind would ever mistake McIntosh for elite. Jared Allen might fool you if you watched him for a half.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yeah I bet it was Bob. That's why you defended it so much when we called you on it.

Go have another donut, lardass.

[Rausch 2.0]

He's a good player, but he's not elite by any stretch. Once teams get a chance to make their adjustments, Allen is completely taken out of games, even against linemen he should be dominating.

Allen is an elite pass rusher, not an elite player...

[KCStud]

All I know is that Marcus McNeill went toe to toe pretty well against every DE he has faced so far except for Jared Allen. JA gave Marcus fits every time the Chargers faced the Chiefs so I'm definitely glad he's out of the division.

I still don't understand the logic of getting rid of him. If the Chiefs think they need to rebuild for a couple of years to get to a point where they are going to compete for the division, Jared Allen would still be in his prime at that point. That whole move reeked of cheapness on KC's part.

I guess you don't remember when Kyle Vanden Bosch DOMINATED you guys in week 14. He had 3 sacks against you guys in one game last season. He made McNeill his personal whipping boy.

Also I might add, McIntosh gave up zero sacks to Vanden Bosch when the Titans played KC.

McIntosh is not as bad of a player as people here say he is. He gave up zero sacks to Merroidman and only 1 of Dumerville's 4 sacks was given up by him. The rest were given up by Chris Terry who was cut before the season was over.

McIntosh looks to be a solid RT...

[Rausch 2.0]

I guess you don't remember when Kyle Vanden Bosch DOMINATED you guys in week 14. He had 3 sacks against you guys in one game last season. He made McNeill his personal whipping boy.

Also I might add, McIntosh gave up zero sacks to Vanden Bosch when the Titans played KC.

McIntosh is not as bad of a player as people here say he is. He gave up zero sacks to Merroidman and only 1 of Dumerville's 4 sacks was given up by him. The rest were given up by Chris Terry who was cut before the season was over.

McIntosh looks to be a solid RT...

I'm not a believer.

[TheReverend]

I'm not a believer.

That's a good sign of sanity.

[Kaylore]

I'm not a believer.

McIntosh is better in pass protection but really he shouldn't be starting.

[TheReverend]

McIntosh is better in pass protection but really he shouldn't be starting.

Good enough to be mistaken for a division 2 college standout, at least.