Sean Penn's take on the Mars landing

[yavoon]

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/feature-articles/sean-penn-phoenix.php

"Think about that the next time you try to exercise your First Amendment rights in a Central Park West dog park and you end up with Officer Robocop blasting a trillion volts through your central circulatory system. No justice, no peace in the Barkpark, you Hitler Youth ****s."

[Bronco Bob]

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/feature-articles/sean-penn-phoenix.php



What a dope. Do you know who built the scientific equipment on the
Phoenix Mars lander? A college, the University of Arizona. College students
did a lot of the work. And U of A is also the one who now controls
The lander. Again mostly college students doing the work. They are
the ones taking the pictures of Mars. They are the ones controlling the
robotic arm on Mars. They are the ones who will be analyzing the results.
And all for only $450 million. Less than $1.50 per person.
And what are they doing this for. To learn. That's why most people
go to college. To learn. To prepare them for a job in the future.
Obviously Penn is a very ignorant misinformed person.

[Rohirrim]

We're probably the only society in history that is interested in the political opinions of actors.

[Spider]

Muslim news is a little slow this week

[Dukes]

Looney tunes

[alkemical]

We're probably the only society in history that is interested in the political opinions of actors.


I doubt it. Nothing ever really changes, does it....

[The Lone Bolt]

:loopy:

Sean Penn has issues.

[alkemical]

Or maybe.....

Hollywood has been secretly telling us all along what the truth reaaaally is....

[bronco militia]

Or maybe.....

Hollywood has been secretly telling us all along what the truth reaaaally is....


how convenient for you and baja :rofl:

[alkemical]

how convenient for you and baja :rofl:

May all your children be redwings fans.

[TheDave]

Josh, you seem to be suffering from an online identity crisis.

[alkemical]

Josh, you seem to be suffering from an online identity crisis.


LOL! :o)

[bronco militia]

May all your children be redwings fans.

bwhahaha

burn in hell, witch! :giggle:

[ak1971]

I need to take a dump

[orinjkrush]

Redwings look like Commie Ruskies to me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We're probably the only society in history that is interested in the political opinions of actors.

This is a good thing if you're a right-winger who's trying to distract our collective attention from Iraq, the economy, GOP scandals, etc.

The Bush administration owes a debt of gratitude to the runaway bride, Scott Peterson, and Jacko.

[Dudeskey]

Muslim news is a little slow this week

Yavoon is what would be the quintessential ethnocentric

[baja]

how convenient for you and baja :rofl:

What does Sean Penn's rant have to do with me?

[baja]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6PqXw6mS2KA&feature=email

[yavoon]

Yavoon is what would be the quintessential ethnocentric

nothing draws the contempt and hatred of the skulking fascist lefties like standing up for human freedom.

[Breaker]

This is a good thing if you're a right-winger who's trying to distract our collective attention from Iraq, the economy, GOP scandals, etc.

The Bush administration owes a debt of gratitude to the runaway bride, Scott Peterson, and Jacko.

Can you go one thread without relating everything to Bush, its getting pretty freaking old pretty freaking quick.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Can you go one thread without relating everything to Bush, its getting pretty freaking old pretty freaking quick.

Translation:

"I wish people would stop mentioning Bush and his record. The survival of my party and my 'movement' depends on Americans having short memories."

http://bartblog.bartcop.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/defy.gif

[Rohirrim]

nothing draws the contempt and hatred of the skulking fascist lefties like standing up for human freedom.

It's impossible for a "lefty" to be a "fascist."

[W*GS]

Is everything that doesn't mention Bush a "deflection", LABF?

Jesus ****ing Christ, you're an obsessed little 'wad.

[Spider]

nothing draws the contempt and hatred of the skulking fascist lefties like standing up for human freedom.

I wish I could meet your dad ..... the one question I would have for him is ........ Why didnt you use a rubber

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I wish I could meet your dad ..... the one question I would have for him is ........ Why didnt you use a rubber

:giggle: ^5

[cutthemdown]

:giggle: ^5

maybe your mom just liked it bareback

[cutthemdown]

Is everything that doesn't mention Bush a "deflection", LABF?

Jesus ****ing Christ, you're an obsessed little 'wad.

Don't deflect to Christ you Bushwad. All hail Obama tax Laden the Muslim errrrr I mean The Christian...........But not the one who baptized my kids he's got nothing to do with me anymore......until I need him again......Which I won't.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

maybe your mom just liked it bareback

Hey, let's get off of mothers - I just got off of yours. :yayaya:

[sisterhellfyre]

nothing draws the contempt and hatred of the skulking fascist lefties like standing up for human freedom.

Eh? I must have missed the part where Sean Penn stood up for anything positive. He must have slipped it in there while I wasn't looking, somewhere between the barnyard obscenities, stoopid half-baked conspiracies and tear-jerking guilt trip images about starving babies in... wherever there are starving babies these days. Frankly, I've lost track other than to know it's too damn many places.

Regards,
m.

[cutthemdown]

Hey, let's get off of mothers - I just got off of yours. :yayaya:

They should ban us both Hilarious!

[Kaylore]

We're probably the only society in history that is interested in the political opinions of actors.

This is should have ended the thread. Sean Penn is an actor, and actors are are just another type of artist. Artists are eccentric and kooky, and Penn happens to be an angry and belligerent one as Sisterhelfyre just pointed out. He doesn't shape policy, he doesn't hold an office, he doesn't have to deal with the problems of the average American and he is not in touch with most of America. I don't care what Sean Penn thinks.

[Dudeskey]

It's impossible for a "lefty" to be a "fascist."

I almost want to give him CP out of sympathy

[yavoon]

btw I thought everyone was in on this, though I'm not so sure anymore so I should tell everyone. link to somethingawful=fake, thats kinda what somethingawful does. though there is some hilarious commentary here if, as it kinda appears, ppl think this is what sean penn says. I must say it was a good interpretation.

[yavoon]

It's impossible for a "lefty" to be a "fascist."

no. the various takes on authoritarian collectivism tend to be pretty closely aligned. but for example, numerous historians consider the soviet union, sometime after WWII to effectively have become a "fascist" state, as opposed to communist. people have argued similar things, for somewhat different reasons for china. we all know that germany was the "national socialist" party. depending on what you accept as the definition of fascism, it is unlikely that you will be able to exclude leftist governments, and inso far as leftist governments more readily embrace forced collectivism, they are much more likely to become fascist.

[Rohirrim]

no. the various takes on authoritarian collectivism tend to be pretty closely aligned. but for example, numerous historians consider the soviet union, sometime after WWII to effectively have become a "fascist" state, as opposed to communist. people have argued similar things, for somewhat different reasons for china. we all know that germany was the "national socialist" party. depending on what you accept as the definition of fascism, it is unlikely that you will be able to exclude leftist governments, and inso far as leftist governments more readily embrace forced collectivism, they are much more likely to become fascist.

Yeah, and a cow is the same as a dog because it's got four legs. Yer a boob. Define it the way it's defined in the gd dictionary. This is one of your difficulties. You just make **** up and pretend it's real.

fas·cist [fash-ist] (noun)
1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

(Orig.1921), from It. partito nazionale fascista, the anti-communist political movement organized 1919 under Benito Mussolini (1883-1945); from It. fascio "group, association," lit. "bundle." Fasci "groups of men organized for political purposes" had been a feature of Sicily since c.1895; the 20c. sense probably infl. by the Roman fasces (q.v.) which became the party symbol. Fascism, also 1921, was originally used in Eng. 1920 in its It. form, fascismo. Applied to similar groups in Germany from 1923.

To use Wiggsy's favorite word, fascism at it's very core, is extreme statism. You cannot get more anti-Left.

[yavoon]

Yeah, and a cow is the same as a dog because it's got four legs. Yer a boob. Define it the way it's defined in the gd dictionary. This is one of your difficulties. You just make **** up and pretend it's real.

fas·cist [fash-ist] (noun)
1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

(Orig.1921), from It. partito nazionale fascista, the anti-communist political movement organized 1919 under Benito Mussolini (1883-1945); from It. fascio "group, association," lit. "bundle." Fasci "groups of men organized for political purposes" had been a feature of Sicily since c.1895; the 20c. sense probably infl. by the Roman fasces (q.v.) which became the party symbol. Fascism, also 1921, was originally used in Eng. 1920 in its It. form, fascismo. Applied to similar groups in Germany from 1923.

To use Wiggsy's favorite word, fascism at it's very core, is extreme statism. You cannot get more anti-Left.

I meant as a function of its governance, obviously. so tiring arguing with morons.

[Rohirrim]

I meant as a function of its governance, obviously. so tiring arguing with morons.

WTF does that mean? A function of governance? You just made a stupid mistake and now you're flailing around calling people names when they call you on it - in other words, you're doing an O'Reilly. :rofl: So tiring arguing with troglodytes.

[Dudeskey]

I meant as a function of its governance, obviously. so tiring arguing with morons.

LOL that settles it... I'm a fascist:spit:

[yavoon]

WTF does that mean? A function of governance? You just made a stupid mistake and now you're flailing around calling people names when they call you on it - in other words, you're doing an O'Reilly. :rofl: So tiring arguing with troglodytes.

as in how would one identify a state as fascist w/o self-declaration. what would its policies be, this is an actual argument some people make from time to time w/o being enthralled by websters.


http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841

afterall, mussolini started as a socialist. they are very closely related ideologies. the left/right split of them is largely a red herring, since both sides are heavily socially authoritarian and anti-free market. the mere fact you are too stupid to ponder such things isn't the fault of reality.

[Rohirrim]

My words mean whatever I want them to mean.
Humpty Dumpty

[yavoon]

My words mean whatever I want them to mean.
Humpty Dumpty

I see intelligence has ended with you. that's fine with me.

[W*GS]

To use Wiggsy's favorite word, fascism at it's very core, is extreme statism. You cannot get more anti-Left.

How do the USSR under Stalin, China under Mao, and Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, all examples of totalitarian statism, be considered anti-Left? They are the epitome of Leftism!

[kappys]

Mussolini described fascism as the perfect usion between corporations and the state.

The real difficulty is that political terminology is in constant flux. So that conservatism as an example, means very differnt things today(sometimes called neo-con) versus what is did under Goldwater.

Ultimately I think fascist dictators are ones in which the government is largely controlled by corporate interests without direct elections from the populous. There are elements of this in our government, for example when coprorations are hand picked to write various policies for the government. However, there is an important elected buffer between corporations and direct governance that does not exist.

In Communism there is equal disregard for democracy. However in this case the party membership composed of elites from a presumably wider array of groups as compared with fascist states meets and established policy as more of a collective group and without the focus on profits that takes place in fascist governments.

[yavoon]

Mussolini described fascism as the perfect usion between corporations and the state.

The real difficulty is that political terminology is in constant flux. So that conservatism as an example, means very differnt things today(sometimes called neo-con) versus what is did under Goldwater.

Ultimately I think fascist dictators are ones in which the government is largely controlled by corporate interests without direct elections from the populous. There are elements of this in our government, for example when coprorations are hand picked to write various policies for the government. However, there is an important elected buffer between corporations and direct governance that does not exist.

In Communism there is equal disregard for democracy. However in this case the party membership composed of elites from a presumably wider array of groups as compared with fascist states meets and established policy as more of a collective group and without the focus on profits that takes place in fascist governments.

and by that definition the japanese and the koreans are fascists w/ the europeans coming in a little behind.

[kappys]

and by that definition the japanese and the koreans are fascists w/ the europeans coming in a little behind.

I think most governments with heavy corporate interests tend towards fascist elements, our own included. It has proven a more compelling model for growth and prosperity than the communist model, though I don't think it is necesarilly the best for continued future development.

[W*GS]

I think most governments with heavy corporate interests tend towards fascist elements, our own included.

What "fascist elements" are there in, say, Norway?

[kappys]

What "fascist elements" are there in, say, Norway?

I really know very little of Scandinavian governments. I suppose my comparison is based purely on the knowledge I have of G8 countries. At any rate the point is that most of these governments tend to issue policies favorable to big businesses and primarily towards the investors who back them. Socialist programs for the general populace usually are opposed. The model for this BTW are many of the current G8 governments, not to include previous governments which favored some these social programs.

[W*GS]

I really know very little of Scandinavian governments. I suppose my comparison is based purely on the knowledge I have of G8 countries. At any rate the point is that most of these governments tend to issue policies favorable to big businesses and primarily towards the investors who back them. Socialist programs for the general populace usually are opposed.

Such as? Which of the G8 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the UK and the US) are "opposed" to "socialist programs for the general populace"?

Even the least socialist member of the G8, the US, spends hundreds of billions of dollars on social programs - Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.

[alkemical]

Such as? Which of the G8 (Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia, the UK and the US) are "opposed" to "socialist programs for the general populace"?

Even the least socialist member of the G8, the US, spends hundreds of billions of dollars on social programs - Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc.

Is that list in order?