New agreement lets US strike any country from inside Iraq

[Dudeskey]

Think we're pulling out of Iraq? Wether a Dem or Repig gets elected to the WH, it ain't happining...

Get your lotion and tissue out, repukes_i_O_i_
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http://www.gulfnews.com/region/Iraq/10218150.html

By Basil Adas, Correspondent
Published: June 03, 2008, 13:42

Baghdad: A proposed Iraqi-American security agreement will include permanent American bases in the country, and the right for the United States to strike, from within Iraqi territory, any country it considers a threat to its national security, Gulf News has learned.

Senior Iraqi military sources have told Gulf News that the long-term controversial agreement is likely to include three major items.

Under the agreement, Iraqi security institutions such as Defence, Interior and National Security ministries, as well as armament contracts, will be under American supervision for ten years.

The agreement is also likely to give American forces permanent military bases in the country, as well as the right to move against any country considered to be a threat against world stability or acting against Iraqi or American interests.

The military source added, "According to this agreement, the American forces will keep permanent military bases on Iraqi territory, and these will include Al Asad Military base in the Baghdadi area close to the Syrian border, Balad military base in northern Baghdad close to Iran, Habbaniyah base close to the town of Fallujah and the Ali Bin Abi Talib military base in the southern province of Nasiriyah close to the Iranian border."

The sources confirmed that the American army is in the process of completing the building of the military facilities and runways for the permanent bases.

He added that the American air bases in Kirkuk and Mosul will be kept for no longer than three years. However, he said there were efforts by the Americans to include the Kirkuk base in the list of permanent bases.

The sources also said that a British brigade was expected to remain at the international airport in Basra for ten years as long as the American troops stayed in the permanent bases in Iraq.

Iraqi analysts said that the second item of the controversial agreement which permits American forces on Iraqi territories to launch military attacks against any country it considers a threat is addressed primarily to Iran and Syria.

Iran has raised serious concerns in the past few days over the Iraqi-American security agreement and followed it with issuing religious fatwas and called for demonstrations, mainly by the powerful Shiite leader Moqtada Al Sadr movement, who is close to Iran, against the agreement.

[Spider]

this aint good ....... we can strike any where now in under 48 hours .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The bush junta has never met an agreement or an international law it hasn't been more than willing to ignore anyway.

[spdirty]

cool. Pucker up Iran.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

cool. Pucker up Iran.

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[Meck77]

Wait a second. What about our good friends in Israel that we fund? Can't some of the billions we ship over there pay for a strike if need be? For crying out loud how many times can we be suckered into fighting somebody else's war?

[Rigs11]

Will you guys stop bashing America! Damn anti-patriot liberals!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

For crying out loud how many times can we be suckered into fighting somebody else's war?

"We?"

Speak for yourself.

[TailgateNut]

"We?"

Speak for yourself.


The price we pay for people who "just don't get it".

[Hotrod]

Thats great our response time to any threat (Iran/Syria) will be cut in more then half.

[sisterhellfyre]

"There will be more wars."

-- John McCain

Regards,
m.

[Hotrod]

"There will be more wars."

-- John McCain

Regards,
m.

"regardless of who is president"

--Hotrod

:)

[alkemical]

"There will be more wars."

-- John McCain

Regards,
m.

People laugh when i talk about the perpetual war machine.....

[TailgateNut]

"regardless of who is president"

--Hotrod

:)


Not wars based on lies and egos! The Repukes take the cake!

[Hotrod]

Not wars based on lies and egos! The Repukes take the cake!

Your blinded by your hate

[TailgateNut]

Your blinded by your hate


Whatever you say. I'm not the one promoting wars (hate). You need to turn your sights toward the real "party of hate". Those warmongering little dick republicans with their oversized egos.

[Hotrod]

Whatever you say. I'm not the one promoting wars (hate). You need to turn your sights toward the real "party of hate". Those warmongering little dick republicans with their oversized egos.

My point is both partys are full of ****.

[TexanBob]

This can't be possible. Liberals do not recognize an Iraqi government, particularly a duly-elected Iraqi government (since that would mean Bush did something good by replacing a terrorist-abetting tyrant with a U.S.-friendly government and since liberals absolutely cannot recognize Bush doing anything remotely good, liberals refuse to accept the possibility). Therefore, there is nobody to make such an agreement with the U.S., therefore it can't be true.

Personally, I'd rather the Iraqi government agree to let us ship 20% of Iraqi oil back to the U.S. than agree to let us set up missile bases. But, then again, the best way to assure the oil stays in the right hands would be make sure the oil pipes are defended.

[cutthemdown]

this aint good ....... we can strike any where now in under 48 hours .....

yeah but a base in Iraq can strike within minutes and will be cheaper to strike from then bases further away.

[alkemical]

:shakeshead:

[cutthemdown]

This is good because Turkey has been less then agreeable when it comes to using their soil to launch operations from. Good job Bush in expanding our empire!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long live America!!!!!!

[alkemical]

I feel like i'm in a bad nightmare

[Dudeskey]

"There will be more wars."

-- John McCain

Regards,
m.

"What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler

[Hotrod]

This is good because Turkey has been less then agreeable when it comes to using their soil to launch operations from. Good job Bush in expanding our empire!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long live America!!!!!!

Exactly what good is a strong military if we dont use it?

[bronco militia]

are you guys really surprised by this?

[alkemical]

are you guys really surprised by this?

Yes! :rofl:

[mhgaffney]

spdirty Hotrod, and Cutthemdown need a history lesson -- or two.

Obviously they have been brainwashed by the corporate propaganda machine to believe that Iran = Nazi Germany

Just like they were brainwashed several years ago to think that
Iraq = Nazi Germany.

How many times will they get bamboozled before the scales fall from their eyes --- and they wake up?

MHG

[cutthemdown]

Strategically speaking Iraq is a great place in which to have bases.

[cutthemdown]

I think bases in Iraq keep Iran in check and give us a good place in which to launch espinoge against them etc.

Just for the record I don't support a broad ground war with Iran. There is no need for that unless they attack Israel. I do support stopping them from building nuclear weapons.

I will go out on a limb and say that there is going to be no major military operation agianst Iran.

[mhgaffney]

A great place to have bases?

For what purpose? So we can continue to wreak mayhem on the region? Bombing and bombing and bombing.

Just like we did in SE Asia way back when. Have you forgotten?

In 1971, General Telford Taylor, who after World War II served as chief prosecuting counsel at the Nuremberg trials, stated that if the principles established at Nuremberg were ever applied in the case of Viet Nam, a number of US leaders and military men would swing from the gallows.

Of course it never happened. There was never an accounting.

Obviously the American people failed to learn a thing from the Viet Nam war -- which is why history is repeating in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those who fail to learn from history must repeat it again and again.

This is why the future belongs to the cockroaches...

MHG

[Hotrod]

I think bases in Iraq keep Iran in check and give us a good place in which to launch espinoge against them etc.

Just for the record I don't support a broad ground war with Iran. There is no need for that unless they attack Israel. I do support stopping them from building nuclear weapons.

I will go out on a limb and say that there is going to be no major military operation agianst Iran.

I agree 100%

[Spider]

This is good because Turkey has been less then agreeable when it comes to using their soil to launch operations from. Good job Bush in expanding our empire!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long live America!!!!!!

Rome had the same Idea , so did Germany , So did Alexander the Great , Egypt , Brittan,Japan , Spaniards........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Think we're pulling out of Iraq? Wether a Dem or Repig gets elected to the WH, it ain't happining...
Let's see, one candidate is running a pro-war platform and the other is running an anti-war platform. So yeah, there is most certainly a chance we can finally end this idiotic nonsense soon.

[epicSocialism4tw]

are you guys really surprised by this?

I thought the same thing.

I knew that few understood the motives behind the war, but come on. This should have been as plain as day.

[Bronco Jamus]

I was always under the impression that the idea was to get a foot hold in the region. Bill Clinton and Al Gore even helped make the case for the war in the 90's.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

My point is both partys are full of ****.

But it was your party that controlled the WH and both houses for six of the last seven years.

It was you and your neocons who got us into Iraq.

It was your boy Dubya whose policies f*@ked our economy.

You hit the trifecta, and you f*cked it up.

[Spider]

I was always under the impression that the idea was to get a foot hold in the region. Bill Clinton and Al Gore even helped make the case for the war in the 90's.

no .. it wasnt we could already have those in Qarter , Yemen , Kuwait ,Dubai ,even in Notrh Africa .....

[Hotrod]

But it was your party that controlled the WH and both houses for six of the last seven years.

It was you and your neocons who got us into Iraq.

It was your boy Dubya whose policies f*@ked our economy.

You hit the trifecta, and you ****ed it up.

Yet once the YLSP took back some control they have done what they do best; bend over and take it like a bitch. Like I said both partys are full of ****.

[alkemical]

I dunno - for as long as i've been alive - we've had "war" in the M.E.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yet once the YLSP took back some control they have done what they do best; bend over and take it like a b****.

Meanwhile, here in reality:

The republicans constantly filibuster every piece of pro-American legislation the Dems try to send through.

[Meck77]

"We?"

Speak for yourself.

Yes "We".

"We" as in this country.

"We" as in YOUR elected officials.

"We" as in the democrats like Hillary Clinton who supported the war.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yes "We".

"We" as in this country.

"We" as in YOUR elected officials.

"We" as in the democrats like Hillary Clinton who supported the war.

You're full of sh*t.

You asked "how many times have we been suckered into fighting someone else's war?"

News flash: Many of us were not suckered - in fact, we protested and warned you of the folly of invading Iraq.

And Bush cheerleaders like you called us "traitors" and attacked our patriotism for our trouble.

[mhgaffney]

LABF is right.

Back in 2002 -- when Bush and Co. -- were lying to the American people about WMDs and Saddam's role in 9/11 --

many of us were warning about what would happen.

So were the leaders in the Middle East, all of whom (with the exception of Sharon in Israel) were telling the Bush administration:

"Don't do it! We don't want another war in our region! Saddam is no longer a threat. Solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, instead!"

But of course, as we know, Bush and Co. had wax in their ears.

In fact, no one wanted the Iraq war except the right wing knee jerks, the neo cons, and the Israelis. That is, until the corporate media stepped in...

and proceeded to drown out the peace message -- while brainwashing Americans into supporting the war -- by repeating the same lies over and over again.

And now our media is doing it all over again -- in the case of Iran!

How many times do you have to be bamboozled before you realize it is a rigged game -- with no truth in it?

Wake up and take your country back!

MHG

[SoCalBronco]

The Mossad gave Jay diabetes.

[Meck77]

LA you should be a politician. You'd fit right in.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LA you should be a politician. You'd fit right in.

Just as I expected:

You dodged my last post with one of your usual smarmy little quips.

You are clearly not man enough to admit that I was right and you were wrong about the war.

[cutthemdown]

Rome had the same Idea , so did Germany , So did Alexander the Great , Egypt , Brittan,Japan , Spaniards........

If we last 2000 yrs like the Romans I think that would be great

[Meck77]

Just as I expected:

You dodged my last post with one of your usual smarmy little quips.

You are clearly not man enough to admit that I was right and you were wrong about the war.

Says the internet personality hiding behind a screen in an undisclosed bunker. Ha!

It was my position early on that Israel should have handled Saddam in Gulf War I.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Says the internet personality hiding behind a screen in an undisclosed bunker. Ha!

That's a pretty silly attempt to flip the script.

We were talking about you not being man enough to admit you were wrong about Bush's invasion of Iraq.

I don't need to know your real name, address, and social security number in order for you to admit you were wrong.

It was my position early on that Israel should have handled Saddam in Gulf War I.

Nice dodge.

You still supported Bush's invasion of Iraq.

[Meck77]

Yup LA. You are the standard for credibility of the political forum. That's something to be proud of. Keep hiding behind that screen bud.

[Spider]

If we last 2000 yrs like the Romans I think that would be great

we wont even make it a 1,000 ........

[cutthemdown]

we wont even make it a 1,000 ........

You might be right.

[Spider]

Our Intent is noble , our actions are questionable .......democracy will survive , we will be a free people for hundreds of years , but unless we start becoming first in the space race , Healthcare , R&D , we will fall by the wayside .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yup LA. You are the standard for credibility of the political forum. That's something to be proud of. Keep hiding behind that screen bud.

Refusing to admit I was right and you were wrong about Bush's invasion of Iraq right to the bitter end, eh?

How "credible" does that make you?

Like your boy Bush (and every other republican whose SOP when he's wrong about something is to attack those who expose him) you have zero credibility and even less integrity.

And LMAO @ your suggestion that you should somehow be excused for all of the above simply because you are foolhardy enough to reveal your indentity and personal information on an Internet discussion forum.

[cutthemdown]

Our Intent is noble , our actions are questionable .......democracy will survive , we will be a free people for hundreds of years , but unless we start becoming first in the space race , Healthcare , R&D , we will fall by the wayside .....

I'd have to say technology is the key. We have to be the first to invent because we need the money.

We need bases on the moon and then tell the rest of the world they can't have any. IMO we should secretly be developing space military technology even though it violates a treaty. I don't think we can risk letting China secretly militarize space and catch us flatfooted lobbing grenades at terrorists in some desert. The moon is full of Helium 3 and we should make sure the world buys it from us.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'd have to say technology is the key. We have to be the first to invent because we need the money.

We need bases on the moon and then tell the rest of the world they can't have any. IMO we should secretly be developing space military technology even though it violates a treaty. I don't think we can risk letting China secretly militarize space and catch us flatfooted lobbing grenades at terrorists in some desert. The moon is full of Helium 3 and we should make sure the world buys it from us.Huh, why is that?

[Spider]

I'd have to say technology is the key. We have to be the first to invent because we need the money.

We need bases on the moon and then tell the rest of the world they can't have any. IMO we should secretly be developing space military technology even though it violates a treaty. I don't think we can risk letting China secretly militarize space and catch us flatfooted lobbing grenades at terrorists in some desert. The moon is full of Helium 3 and we should make sure the world buys it from us.

China wont do **** , Germans , are the ones to watch , not militarily , but tech ... Besides the Helium , we can use the moon as a launching point . to go deeper in space ........ Perhaps I could be a Space Trucker ;D

[cutthemdown]

China wont do **** , Germans , are the ones to watch , not militarily , but tech ... Besides the Helium , we can use the moon as a launching point . to go deeper in space ........ Perhaps I could be a Space Trucker ;D

dude i was thinking same thing. A movie based around the adventures of a futuristic space trucker. Make it sort of look like the original Alien, minus the Alien.

[cutthemdown]

i think they call space truckers astronauts though

[Spider]

LOL I can see it now .Spider gets a speeding ticket in his WL 900 xlt going by Mars

[Spider]

i think they call space truckers astronauts though

Naw those are highly trained repairmen ....... truckers would be hauling freight and bull****ting on the radio

[cutthemdown]

China wont do **** , Germans , are the ones to watch , not militarily , but tech ... Besides the Helium , we can use the moon as a launching point . to go deeper in space ........ Perhaps I could be a Space Trucker ;D

I worry about China more being someone who would try and destroy your stuff in space, not Germany. As far as being smart though yes Germans are a country that always produces good stuff. I dig there pro audio gear. Still though we have a lot more people and more resources then Germany.

[Spider]

I worry about China more being someone who would try and destroy your stuff in space, not Germany. As far as being smart though yes Germans are a country that always produces good stuff. I dig there pro audio gear. Still though we have a lot more people and more resources then Germany.

Only way China will, is if they steal the tech .....

[Cito Pelon]

are you guys really surprised by this?

I'm not surprised at all. The entire object throughout all the fluff was a strategic move to complement Diego Garcia. Just in case. That's how I saw the whole deal, anyway. Al-Barad airbase was the object all along. A longterm strategic move. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't work. That's how longterm strategy works if you have the money to try it to begin with. I've said since 2003 Al-Barad was the long term objective. Look back at my posts.

It was a pretty good strategy, if you play chess. Bigshots play chess, it's just a game. Geopolitics is just a game. Look at geopolitics long enough and get rid of the emotion, and it's just a game of chess.

[Cito Pelon]

I'd have to say technology is the key. We have to be the first to invent because we need the money.

We need bases on the moon and then tell the rest of the world they can't have any. IMO we should secretly be developing space military technology even though it violates a treaty. I don't think we can risk letting China secretly militarize space and catch us flatfooted lobbing grenades at terrorists in some desert. The moon is full of Helium 3 and we should make sure the world buys it from us.

Gee whiz, someone on this board finally understands strategy. I'm not near as rightwing fascist as you, but I do understand strategy. Leverage is my take on that, not piss on everyone else. You're right on track though, strategically.

[Spider]

I play chess , I see Iraq as more of a d4 queens gambit type of chess game .....As for the moon harvesting anything wouldnt be a good idea for awhile

[Cito Pelon]

I play chess , I see Iraq as more of a d4 queens gambit type of chess game .....As for the moon harvesting anything wouldnt be a good idea for awhile

I can see that d4 queens gambit analogy. The idea is to attack the center of the board, right? Try to establish an attack and force the opponent into a defensive posture? Moon is the same deal.

[SoCalBronco]

I play chess , I see Iraq as more of a d4 queens gambit type of chess game .....As for the moon harvesting anything wouldnt be a good idea for awhile

It seems that President Bush was wearing your infamous Broncos shark tooth hat when he sat down in front of the Iraq chess board. This is my explanation for why we are at the stage we are at in Iraq, presently. :)

[Spider]

I can see that d4 queens gambit analogy. The idea is to attack the center of the board, right? Try to establish an attack and force the opponent into a defensive posture? Moon is the same deal.
Yep ....... Control the center ....

[Spider]

It seems that President Bush was wearing your infamous Broncos shark tooth hat when he sat down in front of the Iraq chess board. This is my explanation for why we are at the stage we are at in Iraq, presently. :)
LOL that damn thing ....... every time I put it on bad things happened to our beloved Broncos .......staying with the chess theme d4 ,d5 ,c4,dxc4 then all of the sudden Bush played Qa4 + ..... completely wasted check , that put the queen in danger forcing Bush to mover her again , costing him tempo and delayed developing another piece ........ still has somewhat control over the center , but losing tempo and falling behind in development will cost us ......Instead of Qa4 , Nf3 or even Nc3 is the better answer

[sisterhellfyre]

........ Perhaps I could be a Space Trucker ;D

"Cuz I'm a spaaaace... cowboy..."

Regards,
m.

[Rohirrim]

If we last 2000 yrs like the Romans I think that would be great

The Roman Empire lasted a very long time, but not the Roman republic. That ended with Caesar.

[Obushma]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/us-issues-threat-to-iraqs-50bn-foreign-reserves-in-military-deal-841407.html
US issues threat to Iraq's $50bn foreign reserves in military deal

By Patrick Cockburn
Friday, 6 June 2008



The US is holding hostage some $50bn (£25bn) of Iraq's money in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to pressure the Iraqi government into signing an agreement seen by many Iraqis as prolonging the US occupation indefinitely, according to information leaked to The Independent.


US negotiators are using the existence of $20bn in outstanding court judgments against Iraq in the US, to pressure their Iraqi counterparts into accepting the terms of the military deal, details of which were reported for the first time in this newspaper yesterday.

Iraq's foreign reserves are currently protected by a presidential order giving them immunity from judicial attachment but the US side in the talks has suggested that if the UN mandate, under which the money is held, lapses and is not replaced by the new agreement, then Iraq's funds would lose this immunity. The cost to Iraq of this happening would be the immediate loss of $20bn. The US is able to threaten Iraq with the loss of 40 per cent of its foreign exchange reserves because Iraq's independence is still limited by the legacy of UN sanctions and restrictions imposed on Iraq since Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in the 1990s. This means that Iraq is still considered a threat to international security and stability under Chapter Seven of the UN charter. The US negotiators say the price of Iraq escaping Chapter Seven is to sign up to a new "strategic alliance" with the United States.

The threat by the American side underlines the personal commitment of President George Bush to pushing the new pact through by 31 July. Although it is in reality a treaty between Iraq and the US, Mr Bush is describing it as an alliance so he does not have to submit it for approval to the US Senate.

Iraqi critics of the agreement say that it means Iraq will be a client state in which the US will keep more than 50 military bases. American forces will be able to carry out arrests of Iraqi citizens and conduct military campaigns without consultation with the Iraqi government. American soldiers and contractors will enjoy legal immunity.

The US had previously denied it wanted permanent bases in Iraq, but American negotiators argue that so long as there is an Iraqi perimeter fence, even if it is manned by only one Iraqi soldier, around a US installation, then Iraq and not the US is in charge.

The US has security agreements with many countries, but none are occupied by 151,000 US soldiers as is Iraq. The US is not even willing to tell the government in Baghdad what American forces are entering or leaving Iraq, apparently because it fears the government will inform the Iranians, said an Iraqi source.

The fact that Iraq's financial reserves, increasing rapidly because of the high price of oil, continue to be held in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York is another legacy of international sanctions against Saddam Hussein. Under the UN mandate, oil revenues must be placed in the Development Fund for Iraq which is in the bank.

The funds are under the control of the Iraqi government, though the US Treasury has strong influence on the form in which the reserves are held.

Iraqi officials say that, last year, they wanted to diversify their holdings out of the dollar, as it depreciated, into other assets, such as the euro, more likely to hold their value. This was vetoed by the US Treasury because American officials feared it would show lack of confidence in the dollar.

Iraqi officials say the consequence of the American action was to lose Iraq the equivalent of $5bn. Given intense American pressure on a weak Iraqi government very dependent on US support, it is still probable that the agreement will go through with only cosmetic changes. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the immensely influential Shia cleric, could prevent the pact by issuing a fatwa against it but has so far failed to do so.

The Grand Ayatollah met Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the leader of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI), which is the main supporter of the Iraqi government, earlier this week and did not condemn the agreement or call for a referendum. He said, according to Mr Hakim, that it must guarantee Iraqi national sovereignty, be transparent, command a national consensus and be approved by the Iraqi parliament. Critics of the deal fear that the government will sign the agreement, and parliament approve it, in return for marginal concessions.


50 ****ing bases, I just dont understand our foreign policy.

So, if Iraq doesn't sign, we can take 20b of Iraq's money. We going to give them a reach around after?

....and get this, I know Iraq doesnt want our bases in their country, we had talks with members of the Iraqi goverment this week. Here is a clip of Ron Paul talking to Nadeem Al-Jaberi about how many Iraqi' citizens really want us there long term.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXelUuw4nWk

I'm convinced that apathetic baby boomers have ruined this country, thanks dick heads.