Bucs want 7 million from Plummer.

[24champ]

Been awhile but good ol' Jake is still in the news...



In Peyton Hillis, the Broncos got all the compensation they wanted for former quarterback Jake Plummer.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are another story. They want approximately $7 million in bonuses from Plummer in exchange for his retirement. Two NFL sources said the Bucs' grievance hearing against Plummer will commence in about two weeks.

Although the Broncos have officially joined the grievance, they are listed only to help eliminate any potential confusion — the bonus in dispute was derived from the restructured contract the Broncos gave Plummer in March 2005. But the only Bucs are seeking money from Plummer. The Broncos are not, having traded Plummer's contractual rights on March 3, 2007, in exchange for Tampa Bay's seventh-round draft selection in 2008.

With that pick, the Broncos took Hillis, a fullback who while at Arkansas blocked for future first-round tailbacks Darren McFadden and Felix Jones.

"I watched Jake Plummer play a lot when I was growing up," Hillis said. "He was a great quarterback. When I heard about what happened, getting traded for him, I was happy about it. But I have mostly put my focus on working as hard as I can to help the Denver Broncos."

Plummer had faxed a letter to the NFL office on March 2, 2007, stating his intention to retire. The next day, the Bucs acquired the rights to Plummer, anyway, hoping they could convince the 10-year quarterback to change his mind. But Plummer has stayed retired and has since married and lives in northern Idaho.

The Bucs argue Plummer's retirement meant he did not fulfill the contract they acquired from the Broncos. Precedence may be with the Bucs. When running back great Barry Sanders retired following the 1998 season, the Lions recouped $5.5 million of his $11 million signing bonus.

As to whether Tampa Bay deserves a refund on money it never paid, there is the Ricky Williams" case. The running back retired rather than to report to his new team, the Miami Dolphins in 2004. The Dolphins won an $8.6 million judgment.

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_9469696

[BroncoBuff]

Now that ol' Jakey has cost us the later draft pick ... who wants to wager he'll show up on Day 1 in Tampa? After all, we all know he hasn't (say it with me) "submitted his retirement papers yet."


I've heard of people saying money doesn't matter, but Jake is just being ridiculous.

[FireFly]

I usually side with teams over players in situations like these, but in this case I hope Plummer gets to keep his money.

I didn't realise we got Hillis for Plummer. What a great trade! ^5

[BroncosinDC]

If I were him and banking my 10 year NFL retirement living in Idaho for basically nothing, having never really been shown any NFL love...I'd show up drunk over weight and carrying footage of my last season in Denver. I'd gladly pay 7 mil for him to not take another snap for the Broncos. But I could still be biased from my Elway euphoria still being in effect when he was taking our snaps.

[Rausch 2.0]

Dude, run.

Run like it was your wedding day...

[24champ]

Now that ol' Jakey has cost us the later draft pick ... who wants to wager he'll show up on Day 1 in Tampa? After all, we all know he hasn't (say it with me) "submitted his retirement papers yet."


I've heard of people saying money doesn't matter, but Jake is just being ridiculous.

All Jake has to do is show up at Tampa's facility to take a leak and walk out, he would keep the 7 million...

[Jason in LA]

The Bucs should just leave the guy alone. They are just trying to get free money. I'd say this is somewhat different from the Barry Sanders situation.

[Killericon]

I just thought of this, but if the Buccs knew all along that Plummer wasn't coming back(despite everything they said, maybe that was the case), could'nt it be said that we BOUGHT a 6th round pick for $7 Million?

[FireFly]

The Bucs should just leave the guy alone. They are just trying to get free money. I'd say this is somewhat different from the Barry Sanders situation.

Spot on. They took a risk with the trade and it didn't work out. To bad, these things happen.

[Rausch 2.0]

I just thought of this, but if the Buccs knew all along that Plummer wasn't coming back(despite everything they said, maybe that was the case), could'nt it be said that we BOUGHT a 6th round pick for $7 Million?

No.

Denver does not have the type of management that would attempt to circumvent the cap or cheat the league...

Wait...wow....nice.

I was just going to post some pick of a tard laughing to show my sarcasm but when I typed "laughing my azz off" into google this was the 3rd hit.

Much better than BB smack...

http://www.zoopedup.net/index.php?showtopic=21549&st=0&p=392744&#entry392744

[Natedog24]

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LEAVE JAKE ALONE!!!!!!

[Rausch 2.0]

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LEAVE JAKE ALONE!!!!!!

Hilarious!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Bucs should just leave the guy alone. They are just trying to get free money. I'd say this is somewhat different from the Barry Sanders situation.No, Plummer owes them the money. I wonder if he's been saving his handball tourney money?

[no-pseudo-fan]

They should have traded the rights to Plummer to me. I would go get my money, I would be like Tony Soprano.

Anyway, Plummer knows that he was going to have to give the money back. Hope he invested all of it, and made some money off of it at least. How many pairs of Birkenstocks does 7 million buy?

[Northman]

The Bucs should just leave the guy alone. They are just trying to get free money. I'd say this is somewhat different from the Barry Sanders situation.


And wanting free money is bad?

[Drek]

Now that ol' Jakey has cost us the later draft pick ... who wants to wager he'll show up on Day 1 in Tampa? After all, we all know he hasn't (say it with me) "submitted his retirement papers yet."


I've heard of people saying money doesn't matter, but Jake is just being ridiculous.

If you had told me six months ago that we'd get Peyton Hillis with the compensation for Jake Plummer I'd assume he reported before the draft.

So for me I honestly don't care when he reported, we got a guy who I think is going to be a long term starter on this club out of the pick, no matter when it was made.

[Bronco Jamus]

The Bucs should just leave the guy alone. They are just trying to get free money. I'd say this is somewhat different from the Barry Sanders situation.

It's not free money. It's money owed for services not rendered. Jake should have to pay.

[Orange_Beard]

There goes all the Handball winnings.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

1. Show up to Bucs camp
2. Throw nothing but left-handed passes
3. Get cut
4. Profit

That has to be the easiest way to make (or not lose, depending on your perspective) 7 million dollars. Just show up and suck.

[Beantown Bronco]

1. Show up to Bucs camp
2. Throw nothing but left-handed passes
3. Get cut
4. Profit

That has to be the easiest way to make (or not lose, depending on your perspective) 7 million dollars. Just show up and suck.

The Bucs have had a revolving door of guys do just that for the past few years and they haven't cut them. That's probably what Plummer is afraid of.

[cutthemdown]

The Bucs should just leave the guy alone. They are just trying to get free money. I'd say this is somewhat different from the Barry Sanders situation.

you can't let players take a bonus, then retire, in any job when the bonus is tied to future work.

[broncofan2438]

HAHAHAHAHA, pay up Plummer

[smalltowngrll]

The Buc's took the chance. Jake sent his letter BEFORE they chose to trade for him. They were 'hoping' to convince him to play. IMO, they made that choice knowing full well what his intentions were. Pretty stupid if you ask me. It's like getting into a relationship with someone and hoping they will change. :nono:

[BroncoBuff]

The Buc's took the chance. Jake sent his letter BEFORE they chose to trade for him. They were 'hoping' to convince him to play. IMO, they made that choice knowing full well what his intentions were. Pretty stupid if you ask me.
I dunno ... I'd call it more than "a chance." At this point, the way Gruden's collecting quarterbacks, the word "fetish" comes to mind. Sure, all he gave up was a mere 7th rounder for Jake, but it could've easily been a 4th rounder. Then he sent a 6th rounder to Chicago for Griese, despite the fact sunshine-Brian publicly warned them not to.

So then, going into the draft Gruden had Brian Griese, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Bruce Gradkowski, Chris Simms, and the rights to Jake Plummer.

He's down a #6 and #7 pick, he'll have to make the most of his remaining picks, right? Nope ... 5th round choice Josh Johnson, a sub-200 pound QB from San Diego.

[Jason in LA]

When I said free money, I was meaning that the Bucs did not pay him the bonus, but they are trying to collect.

By rule they are within their rights to go after that money... which they didn't pay him. I guess the way I, and some others view it, is that they are trying to jam the guy up. It was the Broncos that paid him the money, and then pretty much got rid of him. The Bucs aren't really losing much. What's the point of forcing him to show up there and play?

Really thinking about it, if the Broncos did not trade his rights, would they have gone after his bonus money after he retired?

[Beantown Bronco]

Really thinking about it, if the Broncos did not trade his rights, would they have gone after his bonus money after he retired?

I say yes....maybe it would've kept them from going through with the support staff layoffs earlier this off season.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

They're gonna make him climb a clocktower. Poor bastard.

[BMF Bronco]

I just don't get some of you a-holes. You seriously just can't get off his **** can you? The guy did great for us, taking us to the AFC Championship game. He left Denver respectfully and rode off into the sunset. He gave his all to the Broncos, never gave up, even after being benched, yet you ***** have to find a way to bash him.

My question to all you pricks who cannot let go, who would you rather have had in there during his tenure, Griese?

[Crushaholic]

I just don't get some of you a-holes. You seriously just can't get off his **** can you? The guy was did great for us, taking us to the AFC Championship game. He left Denver respectfully and rode off into the sunset. He gave his all to the Broncos, never gave up, even after being benched, yet you ***** have to find a way to bash him.

My question to all you pricks who cannot let go, who would you rather have had in there during his tenure, Griese?

Great post. The hatred for someone who took us to a place we haven't been in a while absolutely baffles me....

[Punisher]

I guess this mean the bucs will stop trying to get him to play

[DBBBSBS]

travis henry was worse... lot worse than plummer.. he got free money too... go show him ur love. walker did a piss off before he left... go show him the love... still cutler hasn't won too many and now diabeddddddd... go show him your love, i mean real love. now get out of here

[Punisher]

travis henry was worse... lot worse than plummer.. he got free money too... go show him ur love. walker did a piss off before he left... go show him the love... still cutler hasn't won too many and now diabeddddddd... go show him your love, i mean real love. now get out of here

:hitself: :hitself: :hitself: :hitself:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I just don't get some of you a-holes. You seriously just can't get off his **** can you? The guy did great for us, taking us to the AFC Championship game. He left Denver respectfully and rode off into the sunset. He gave his all to the Broncos, never gave up, even after being benched, yet you ***** have to find a way to bash him.

My question to all you pricks who cannot let go, who would you rather have had in there during his tenure, Griese?

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[BMF Bronco]

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with the way fans treated him, especially the pricks who were talking all that ****, who could blame him?

[TDmvp]

with the way fans treated him, especially the pricks who were talking all that ****, who could blame him?

/agree never had a prob with Plummer , great guy , gave it his all and was a good qb for us ... he is not John , or Jay but non the less he was good in Denver ... and for the haters i think he is doing just fine ...



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looks like he is living the dream to me ... played the game him loved , walked away when he wanted healthy and gets the dream girl .... sounds like a movie ends ... not John's 2 rings and fade to black ending . but still a great ending ... i'd take it ..

[BMF Bronco]

awesome pix, where did you get those?

[TDmvp]

http://letplummerplay.blogspot.com/
someone with a major man crush on jake has a blog that had some wedding pics ...

i don't want jake over jay . but i never understood the hate ...

[broncocalijohn]

I usually side with teams over players in situations like these, but in this case I hope Plummer gets to keep his money.

I didn't realise we got Hillis for Plummer. What a great trade! ^5

Big deal if he has to pay up. With the tv contracts for Handball and his national rankings, he can make that up in a year easy. Let us face it. Handball has been popular at any given wall at all elementary schools. The Handball International Committee on Kids or HICKs will be putting out a 20 million dollar ad campaign on getting kids to continue the great game of Handball ,that brought us "popsies", "Chancies" and "Americans", will continue onto Junior and Senior High Schools to get the game chartered for lettering. Team Handball will soon be on NBC after Bowling and before AFL. No more ESPN OCHO for handball. This is going big time.

[broncocalijohn]

http://letplummerplay.blogspot.com/
someone with a major man crush on jake has a blog that had some wedding pics ...

i don't want jake over jay . but i never understood the hate ...

Is the blog's owner named Orange 4 Life?

[Drek]

I just don't get some of you a-holes. You seriously just can't get off his **** can you? The guy did great for us, taking us to the AFC Championship game. He left Denver respectfully and rode off into the sunset. He gave his all to the Broncos, never gave up, even after being benched, yet you ***** have to find a way to bash him.

My question to all you pricks who cannot let go, who would you rather have had in there during his tenure, Griese?
David Garrard, who I campaigned for us to sign as a free agent about 4 or 5 years ago now, when he instead re-upped with Jacksonville for peanuts.

We could have had him competing with Plummer after Jake's first season here and he probably would've taken Jake's job. While I'm as big a Cutler fan as the next OM poster its pretty hard to argue that Garrard + the picks (Ngata?) is better value than just Cutler. If we'd done that we could have had a couple more early '06 picks, and looking at our success in the later rounds of that draft I'd say our scouting department had that talent pool pretty well pegged, so we'd likely have done quite well for ourselves and netted some impact players.

[Rigs11]

I just don't get some of you a-holes. You seriously just can't get off his **** can you? The guy did great for us, taking us to the AFC Championship game. He left Denver respectfully and rode off into the sunset. He gave his all to the Broncos, never gave up, even after being benched, yet you ***** have to find a way to bash him.

My question to all you pricks who cannot let go, who would you rather have had in there during his tenure, Griese?

Agree 100%. When we lost plummer was blamed, when we won it was because of the mastermind's brilliance.What was Denver's winning percentage while plummer was here?Anyone?

[BMF Bronco]

.750 or around there.

[wolf754life]

plummer was a scumbag, end of story, couldn't handle the responsibility, no spine, let the guy rot in but**** idaho................good riddance...........

[broncocalijohn]

plummer was a scumbag, end of story, couldn't handle the responsibility, no spine, let the guy rot in but**** idaho................good riddance...........

Checked this again just to see when he blames Shanahan, but this seems worse. Please, please, dont ever think about coming to an OM tailgate. We like to keep the spirits up and you would be a Debbie Downer.

[BMF Bronco]

plummer was a scumbag, end of story, couldn't handle the responsibility, no spine, let the guy rot in but**** idaho................good riddance...........

you're an idiot, no heart? he came in and gave it his all after being benched and Cuts got hurt.

[Los Broncos]

plummer was a scumbag, end of story, couldn't handle the responsibility, no spine, let the guy rot in but**** idaho................good riddance...........

Come on man, let all the hate go, not good to keep it inside.

[wolf754life]

i don't hate the guy, but I will never forgive him for choking in the 2005 afc chipper, we had the better team, but he went all headcase and folded like a house of cards.............nice INT right before half there lettuce boy!

[TDmvp]

i don't hate the guy, but I will never forgive him for choking in the 2005 afc chipper, we had the better team, but he went all headcase and folded like a house of cards.............nice INT right before half there lettuce boy!

you have to be the biggest waste of life on this board , if classlessness and gutless is needed , your there ... i have no idea why you even come here cause you are no Broncos fan , i have NEVER heard you say anything positive about anything or anyone . If i personally was so miserable i'd get some metal help cause you are one loser piece of $hit if i have ever seen one . Why even talk if all your going to do is spew hate on anything no matter if it is football or not . Yea we get it you classless and say the first stupid thing that comes to mind from wishing players hurt , to just hating someones ideas .Anything to start a fight or try to shock people . There has been some real pieces of $hit here over the years but your easily top turd ... welcome to ignore F'er ... my first ignore woot ... cause your a waste of text and reading time along with oxygen ...

:thumbsup:

[TDmvp]

and moreover jake didn't lose the Pitt game he didn't have a good game but the coaches and are running game sucked and our D gave up 8 3rd and + 10s ... period ... but your way to stupid to figure that out ...

[Los Broncos]

i don't hate the guy, but I will never forgive him for choking in the 2005 afc chipper, we had the better team, but he went all headcase and folded like a house of cards.............nice INT right before half there lettuce boy!

I felt sorta the same way, but that was almost three years ago.

Time to move on I believe.

[TDmvp]

Like we should have even been throwing the ball backed up in are own endzone .... soon as we got the ball down there i was saying PLEASE RUN the ball ... they was playing basically prevent and begging us to throw ... and the coached fell right into it ... "is why i was upset with coaching in that game" we didn't try to run enuff and the put it all in Plummers hands at the end of the half... well duh ... and insted of going to the half in striking distance we throw a pic and go in down like 3 scores ...

[KipCorrington25]

Thank God this isn't our problem, having this story drag out all summer would be really annoying. Good riddance.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

with the way fans treated him, especially the pricks who were talking all that ****, who could blame him?
It's part of the NFL game. He basically flipped off the entire West stands even though he may have been just targeting a few fans.

I guess if you can't handle the heat you can always quit the game and go play handball or something.

[broncocalijohn]

i don't hate the guy, but I will never forgive him for choking in the 2005 afc chipper, we had the better team, but he went all headcase and folded like a house of cards.............nice INT right before half there lettuce boy!

I guess you hated Elway for all those Super Bowl disappointments with his inacuracies and interceptions. You are now (finally) on ignore. Few are on it but you are worse than Telluride. That has got to hurt. Go Away and find another board. Maybe you and Gonzolays can hang together.

[wolf754life]

i'm not going anywhere, and for the record i am a bronco fan, but its time to let lettuce boy and shannarat go, move on, looking forward to the future!

[Killericon]

I guess you hated Elway for all those Super Bowl disappointments with his inacuracies and interceptions. You are now (finally) on ignore. Few are on it but you are worse than Telluride. That has got to hurt. Go Away and find another board. Maybe you and Gonzolays can hang together.

He's the least enjoyable poster to read on the board, running away.

[broncocalijohn]

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[BroncosinDC]

So I'll be just be the honest one here, I hated Jake simply because he was not John Elway. Simple as that, looking back on it I was very critical of him and expected more than I could have gotten. He played well enough and did get ran out of town with hate. But he gets the last laugh with his ultra hot wife, and millions.

So it has taken me years to realize it and it was wrong. But I am sorry Mr. Plummer you were like the step dad the kids hated until they grew up and realized you did a great job and became their father, despite their ill founded hatred.

I'd buy Jake a beer...enough said.

[Bronco Yoda]

I wonder if Jakes new wife will let him give back 7 mil. instead of showing up for training camp to get cut.

Either way, I say good for Jake. He played well for us and went out on his own terms.

Good for you you crazy hippie, go to bucks camp and keep your money.